Juno News - March 10, 2020


Canada’s Woke Navy, Iran’s Coronavirus Lies, Cross-Border Healthcare


Episode Stats

Length

44 minutes

Words per Minute

173.62747

Word Count

7,666

Sentence Count

263

Misogynist Sentences

8

Hate Speech Sentences

17


Summary

The Royal Canadian Navy is considering a gender-neutral alternative to the junior seaman ranks, and the seamen who are affected by it are laughing about it. Also, why Iran's Coronavirus lies are putting Canadians at risk, and how a new company is helping Canadians get access to American health care.


Transcript

00:00:00.000 Welcome to Canada's Most Irreverent Talk Show.
00:00:06.760 This is The Andrew Lawton Show, brought to you by True North.
00:00:12.700 Coming up, why the Canadian Navy is going all woke on us.
00:00:17.020 Also, why Iran's coronavirus lies are putting Canadians at risk.
00:00:20.900 And how a new company is helping Canadians get access to American health care.
00:00:24.940 The Andrew Lawton Show starts right now.
00:00:33.860 Yes, welcome everyone to another edition of The Andrew Lawton Show,
00:00:37.860 Canada's Most Irreverent Talk Show here on True North.
00:00:41.160 And part of a country that is apparently making sure a woke Navy
00:00:45.280 is more important than anything else facing the Canadian Armed Forces.
00:00:49.940 That is the Canadian identity.
00:00:51.540 We have to have a woke, progressive, inclusive Navy
00:00:55.320 because you can't fight enemies of Canada without a little diversity.
00:01:01.160 When they say diversity is our strength,
00:01:02.780 they actually mean diversity is apparently our only weapon.
00:01:06.080 That's what we're going towards right now.
00:01:08.340 This story was a True North exclusive,
00:01:10.540 and one of the reasons I absolutely love True North as much as I do.
00:01:13.660 The Navy is considering a gender-neutral alternative to the junior seaman ranks.
00:01:18.700 The ranks that are up for a title change are Ordinary Seaman,
00:01:23.120 Able Seaman, Leading Seaman, and Master Seaman.
00:01:26.360 And I know that the high school version of myself is giggling inside as I say all of those
00:01:30.760 for reasons I'll let you figure out yourself.
00:01:33.260 This comes some...
00:01:34.380 Well, this is actually a story we learned of through people in the Navy
00:01:37.500 that learned they were being consulted
00:01:40.380 or at least pretending to be consulted
00:01:43.820 by the powers that be as they look at changing these names.
00:01:47.560 And they had put out a consultation invitation.
00:01:51.240 And understandably, the naval seamen that are impacted by this
00:01:57.160 don't seem to be too bothered by it.
00:01:58.700 So they were all laughing about it and mocking it.
00:02:00.840 And then it got passed to us and we looked into it.
00:02:03.480 And the Department of National Defense was actually quite proud of this.
00:02:07.480 Lieutenant Jamie Breslin, who's a spokesperson for the DND,
00:02:12.080 said that the ranks are going to be potentially changed
00:02:15.820 to reflect the more progressive character of the force.
00:02:20.960 And this is what Breslin said.
00:02:22.860 The RCN, the Royal Canadian Navy,
00:02:25.320 one of Canada's top employers in 2019, according to Forbes,
00:02:28.720 prides itself on inculcating an inclusive, diverse,
00:02:33.520 gender-neutral, and safe workplace.
00:02:36.380 Therefore, it was determined by naval leadership
00:02:38.640 that an organization that has long since had gender-neutral terms
00:02:42.740 for its personnel, sailor or shipmate,
00:02:45.980 needs to reconsider some few ranked titles
00:02:48.640 that are rich in history,
00:02:50.420 but perhaps not reflective of the modern progressive service
00:02:53.600 that is the RCN today.
00:02:56.400 Now, we don't know what it is they'll be changing them to,
00:02:59.120 will it be ordinary sailor, able sailor,
00:03:01.440 leading sailor, master sailor, maybe.
00:03:03.720 Will they just switch to the Army and Air Force ranks
00:03:06.260 and have, you know, private corporal, master corporal, who knows.
00:03:09.780 But the whole point is that the priorities they're laying out,
00:03:13.080 an inclusive, diverse, gender-neutral, and safe workplace.
00:03:17.020 Now, there's nothing wrong with having a safe workplace, obviously.
00:03:20.500 I would argue that if you are in the military,
00:03:24.180 you're already throwing caution to the wind
00:03:26.300 with the idea that it's a safe workplace.
00:03:28.060 There are real threats,
00:03:29.640 and I don't think anyone will be like,
00:03:31.360 oh, you know what, we're on this submarine,
00:03:33.000 we survived the torpedo, that was fine.
00:03:35.160 But you know what really makes me feel unsafe?
00:03:37.480 That ordinary semen title that I have.
00:03:40.100 That's not gender-neutral, that's not inclusive,
00:03:42.380 that's not diverse.
00:03:43.260 I feel unsafe.
00:03:45.220 You know, I know a lot of people
00:03:46.620 who have served and do serve in the armed forces,
00:03:49.540 and they are among the most resilient,
00:03:52.260 let-things-roll-off-your-back type of people imaginable.
00:03:55.660 I don't think that any of them are leading this charge.
00:04:00.040 In fact, I think a lot of them are offended by it.
00:04:02.120 I've had a lot of veterans in particular,
00:04:04.320 and a couple of active-duty, not Navy people,
00:04:06.940 but active-duty military people,
00:04:08.560 that have responded to this story saying,
00:04:10.880 like, we didn't ask for this.
00:04:12.280 This is not something we want.
00:04:14.080 This is not something we sought.
00:04:15.820 We aren't interested in this.
00:04:17.500 But this is the problem with the cult of diversity
00:04:20.340 and the cult of wokeness,
00:04:21.760 is that it imposes it on people,
00:04:24.020 even those who aren't looking for it.
00:04:26.480 Because these types of things historically
00:04:28.420 can breed resentment against women in the Navy
00:04:31.600 because it makes them look like
00:04:33.740 they're the ones demanding it,
00:04:35.080 when a lot of women in the Navy,
00:04:37.360 I'm sure, are happy to be called ordinary seamen
00:04:39.420 or able seamen,
00:04:40.500 in the same way that chairman of the board,
00:04:42.500 I mean, it doesn't refer to a man
00:04:44.400 as an individual with an XY chromosome makeup.
00:04:48.560 It refers to person,
00:04:51.220 in the same way that you'd have mankind
00:04:52.740 before Trudeau went and made that people kind
00:04:55.120 or something.
00:04:55.920 So all of this stuff I find absolutely absurd.
00:04:58.960 And again, the women are not the ones pushing this.
00:05:01.880 It's always like the feminist men allies
00:05:05.600 that are pushing this.
00:05:07.040 You can never trust the feminist male allies,
00:05:09.580 I can tell you,
00:05:10.240 because the people that call themselves that,
00:05:12.100 the people that say,
00:05:12.780 oh, this is inclusive and diverse and all of that
00:05:14.920 are always the ones that will break your heart.
00:05:17.700 The thing is,
00:05:18.760 when, I think it was in 1999 or 2000,
00:05:22.460 no, it was 2001.
00:05:23.760 It was 2001.
00:05:24.600 And I'll tell you why I remember that in a moment.
00:05:26.660 There was a big push at CBC
00:05:29.360 and in the media in Canada in general
00:05:31.920 to change fishermen,
00:05:34.160 to fisher people,
00:05:35.540 to fishers,
00:05:36.320 to fisher persons.
00:05:37.220 I mean, they wanted to change fishermen
00:05:39.320 because it was, again, in 2001,
00:05:41.220 offensive and not inclusive
00:05:43.300 and not gender neutral and all of that.
00:05:45.820 And CBC ended up having its ombudsman
00:05:48.640 write a 2,000 word feature,
00:05:52.000 a 2,000 word essay
00:05:53.280 about the whole introspection
00:05:55.440 that CBC had done
00:05:56.720 to determine whether fishermen was offensive
00:05:59.760 and they could change it.
00:06:01.580 And the one thing that the Globe and Mail found,
00:06:04.440 which changed it
00:06:05.320 and then changed it back to fishermen,
00:06:07.160 was that the females
00:06:09.160 who worked in the fishing industry,
00:06:11.120 the fisher women,
00:06:12.420 actually loved being called fishermen
00:06:14.300 because that was what it was.
00:06:15.580 They didn't want this thing
00:06:17.120 that they had worked their lives to become
00:06:19.380 to be changed,
00:06:21.180 especially on their account
00:06:22.460 when they didn't want it.
00:06:23.980 So all of these cases
00:06:25.620 of extreme politically correct language changes
00:06:28.960 come back to just absurd things.
00:06:32.200 I mean, there was in,
00:06:33.580 I think it was Sacramento or San Francisco
00:06:35.400 back in the 90s,
00:06:36.340 they changed manhole to maintenance cover
00:06:38.700 for the same reason.
00:06:40.200 And I don't know if they ever changed that one back,
00:06:42.360 but it's ridiculous.
00:06:43.640 It's like when you start calling a plumber
00:06:45.600 a porcelain technician
00:06:46.780 just because you're trying to put a positive spin on it.
00:06:49.500 No, you have to call a spade a spade.
00:06:51.400 And the military is nothing
00:06:53.340 if not steeped in tradition.
00:06:56.020 So if you take the way that tradition,
00:06:58.160 because you say that tradition no longer applies
00:07:00.300 when you want to be,
00:07:01.560 here are the terms,
00:07:02.280 inclusive, diverse, gender neutral, and safe,
00:07:04.440 you're actually tremendously insulting
00:07:08.020 the people that wear that uniform,
00:07:10.760 the people that have gone to war,
00:07:12.160 the people that have served in peacetime
00:07:13.600 who didn't feel unsafe by a word,
00:07:16.800 unsafe by the word man,
00:07:19.100 which again, like chairman,
00:07:20.300 is not referring to a male,
00:07:22.280 it's referring to a person, mankind.
00:07:24.880 And this is something that you could say
00:07:27.080 is heteronormative and patriarchal
00:07:29.880 and all of these other things,
00:07:30.900 but no one who actually matters thinks that.
00:07:35.140 No one who matters thinks that.
00:07:36.800 Like the type of people that would care about this
00:07:39.960 are not the type of people
00:07:41.920 that are enlisting in the military.
00:07:44.280 That's one of the big problems.
00:07:45.440 And I would love to hear
00:07:46.500 whether this is actually something
00:07:48.380 that has been driven
00:07:49.320 by the defense minister's office,
00:07:51.700 by the Trudeau government,
00:07:52.760 or if this is just the bureaucracy
00:07:54.180 of the Department of National Defense
00:07:56.440 trying to figure out what to do.
00:07:57.860 I would absolutely love to see that
00:08:00.180 because I don't think that anyone in uniform,
00:08:03.240 and I could be wrong,
00:08:04.660 I don't think that anyone in uniform
00:08:06.040 actually cared enough about this
00:08:07.860 that they wanted to make this their priority.
00:08:10.260 This is just not the type of thing
00:08:11.980 that soldiers, sailors, and airmen,
00:08:14.920 air people, that air people care about.
00:08:17.700 But this is why the whole
00:08:19.180 political correctness frontier
00:08:20.360 is such an important one.
00:08:22.160 There was a story out of the UK
00:08:23.760 that I read of in the Telegraph
00:08:25.860 where Sheffield University
00:08:27.780 has had a free speech society
00:08:31.080 that wanted to set up shop there.
00:08:33.900 This society has been told
00:08:35.440 it is a, quote, red risk,
00:08:38.040 and it needs to have
00:08:39.620 all its external speakers
00:08:41.620 vetted and approved.
00:08:43.180 So the free speech society,
00:08:44.920 if it wants to bring in a speaker,
00:08:46.840 they have to submit an application
00:08:48.420 to the student union
00:08:49.560 three weeks in advance,
00:08:51.520 and full and final approval
00:08:53.700 from the school is required
00:08:55.280 if they want that speaker
00:08:57.040 to be invited.
00:08:58.780 So the irony is that
00:09:00.560 Ewan Somerville,
00:09:01.680 who was the politics student
00:09:03.100 that founded this,
00:09:04.000 said he thought that
00:09:05.060 the free speech society
00:09:06.040 was important because
00:09:07.120 there was, in his view,
00:09:08.520 creeping censorship on campus.
00:09:10.780 And how does the school
00:09:12.060 respond to this?
00:09:12.760 By saying, nope,
00:09:13.860 we get all final approval
00:09:16.280 of any speaker
00:09:17.440 you want to bring in.
00:09:18.220 So if they want to bring in
00:09:19.640 Katie Hopkins or Tommy Robinson
00:09:21.900 or Nigel Farage
00:09:23.260 or anyone British or non-British
00:09:25.420 to speak about free speech,
00:09:27.060 the school,
00:09:28.020 the Politburo of the Academic Institution
00:09:30.960 of Sheffield University,
00:09:33.060 and you can't spell Sheffield University
00:09:35.500 without a big chef you,
00:09:37.500 so chef you,
00:09:38.580 as we're going to call it,
00:09:40.220 now gets final approval
00:09:41.680 over any speaker.
00:09:42.700 So it's very interesting
00:09:44.740 because clearly the school
00:09:45.980 is saying by doing this
00:09:48.100 that there's no real
00:09:48.840 free speech issue
00:09:49.700 and we're going to darn well
00:09:51.300 prove it by ensuring
00:09:52.400 that you don't have
00:09:53.100 any pro-free speech speakers
00:09:54.600 come without our approval.
00:09:56.980 And you're supposed to feel grateful
00:09:58.600 if they grant approval.
00:09:59.940 I mean, that's the problem
00:10:00.880 of these ideological gatekeepers
00:10:03.080 is that they make you
00:10:04.000 basically live your life
00:10:05.680 at their mercy
00:10:06.540 because you can't do anything
00:10:08.320 unless they bestow it upon you.
00:10:11.000 And speech is not a privilege.
00:10:14.040 Free speech is not a privilege.
00:10:15.560 Speech is absolutely a right.
00:10:17.000 So the second that you have
00:10:18.560 to go through some
00:10:19.740 needling, meddling,
00:10:21.880 useless bureaucrat
00:10:23.420 for free speech,
00:10:24.640 it is no longer free speech.
00:10:26.620 It's not free speech,
00:10:27.900 but it's not free speech
00:10:29.240 with an asterisk.
00:10:30.120 It's not free speech
00:10:30.980 with a caveat.
00:10:31.860 It's either free speech
00:10:33.080 or it's not free speech.
00:10:34.480 And these limitations
00:10:35.860 make it fundamentally unfree.
00:10:38.820 This is not a reasonable limit
00:10:40.500 on free speech.
00:10:41.260 And you may say,
00:10:42.000 if you're not British,
00:10:42.740 why am I talking about this?
00:10:43.860 Well, Britain is always
00:10:45.620 five to ten years ahead.
00:10:47.200 Europe is five to ten years ahead
00:10:48.860 of North America.
00:10:50.340 Now, Ezra Levant thinks that,
00:10:52.200 you know,
00:10:52.780 it's five years ahead of Canada,
00:10:54.140 ten years ahead of the US.
00:10:55.640 I think that those might be
00:10:57.140 very wide,
00:10:58.100 very extended examples,
00:11:00.860 a bit of an overstatement perhaps,
00:11:02.740 because I don't think
00:11:04.220 that we have,
00:11:05.640 as a general rule,
00:11:07.760 much of a difference
00:11:08.720 between what's happening
00:11:09.680 on academic institutions
00:11:10.960 in North America
00:11:11.940 versus what's happening here.
00:11:14.500 I mean,
00:11:14.820 at least they're giving you
00:11:15.780 the illusion
00:11:16.340 that your speaker might be approved
00:11:17.840 at some institutions.
00:11:19.180 They're just saying,
00:11:19.920 no, you can't have
00:11:20.700 a controversial speaker.
00:11:21.840 You have to spend,
00:11:22.920 you know,
00:11:23.180 $40,000 in security costs
00:11:25.320 or you need to have it off-site
00:11:26.620 or you need to do
00:11:27.420 all of these other things.
00:11:29.380 And look,
00:11:30.380 you are going to see
00:11:31.760 a boiling point
00:11:33.220 and more of those boiling points
00:11:35.540 if this type of stuff keeps up,
00:11:37.500 because no one can have
00:11:39.020 any legitimacy
00:11:39.780 as an academic institution
00:11:41.620 if they are insisting
00:11:43.760 that they have to have
00:11:44.640 a bottleneck on speakers.
00:11:47.800 I mean,
00:11:48.100 what's an institution
00:11:49.500 like this supposed to be about?
00:11:51.280 Learning, education.
00:11:52.780 Part of that involves
00:11:53.580 hearing perspectives
00:11:54.400 and as the cliche goes,
00:11:56.140 sometimes perspectives
00:11:57.260 that are different
00:11:58.420 from your own.
00:12:00.480 And if you are not prepared
00:12:01.980 to do that,
00:12:02.780 doesn't matter how you couch it.
00:12:04.500 It doesn't matter
00:12:04.900 whether you say,
00:12:05.540 oh, but it's about anti-racism.
00:12:06.900 Oh, it's about this.
00:12:07.700 It's about diversity.
00:12:09.020 Inclusion,
00:12:09.700 wokeness,
00:12:10.200 all of this stuff.
00:12:10.900 If you think
00:12:11.860 that your right
00:12:13.240 to not be offended
00:12:14.300 trumps someone's right
00:12:15.380 to free speech,
00:12:15.940 you do not believe
00:12:16.700 in free speech.
00:12:18.140 And you know what?
00:12:18.880 It used to be
00:12:19.600 that a lot of these people
00:12:20.860 would say,
00:12:22.040 oh, no, no, no,
00:12:22.440 I do support free speech,
00:12:24.080 but now they're not
00:12:25.960 even saying that.
00:12:27.240 Now these people are saying,
00:12:28.840 well, free speech
00:12:29.820 is a right-wing concept.
00:12:31.320 Free speech is the patriarchy.
00:12:32.900 Free speech is racist.
00:12:34.300 I mean,
00:12:34.480 these are actual things
00:12:35.920 that people are saying.
00:12:36.600 This is not an exaggeration.
00:12:37.780 People are actually
00:12:39.260 making that point
00:12:40.160 and it's coming
00:12:40.760 from the academy.
00:12:42.120 It's coming from people
00:12:43.300 on campuses
00:12:44.000 who are saying that,
00:12:45.340 oh, well,
00:12:45.520 free speech is just
00:12:46.320 this antiquated concept
00:12:47.580 that doesn't respect
00:12:48.940 marginalized views
00:12:50.120 and it just furthers
00:12:51.000 the marginalization
00:12:52.120 and all of that.
00:12:53.360 And it's very difficult
00:12:54.900 to defend free speech
00:12:56.240 when you can't even
00:12:57.620 find a common premise
00:12:59.600 in that free speech
00:13:00.980 is a good thing,
00:13:01.800 which is why it's so important
00:13:03.400 to push back against this.
00:13:04.520 So good on these students
00:13:05.460 for having a free speech society
00:13:07.260 because you need
00:13:08.060 to have an advocacy group
00:13:09.420 on campuses clearly
00:13:11.080 to promote free speech.
00:13:12.820 And I would love
00:13:13.360 to see more of these.
00:13:14.620 And if you do it
00:13:15.300 and you're a student,
00:13:16.460 tell me and we'll talk
00:13:17.720 about what you're doing.
00:13:18.740 And if you get any pushback
00:13:19.820 from the school,
00:13:20.460 I will come there myself
00:13:21.540 and speak with
00:13:22.620 or without approval.
00:13:23.620 We've got to take a break.
00:13:24.660 When we come back,
00:13:25.360 more of the Andrew Lawton Show
00:13:26.640 here on True North.
00:13:29.100 You're tuned in
00:13:30.140 to the Andrew Lawton Show.
00:13:32.960 Welcome back.
00:13:33.680 If you have been following
00:13:34.660 for the last week,
00:13:35.520 you know we're tracking
00:13:36.220 the amount of episodes
00:13:37.160 we can go through
00:13:37.940 without me contracting
00:13:38.860 the coronavirus.
00:13:40.160 And once again,
00:13:41.140 no coronavirus.
00:13:42.320 So thanks very much
00:13:43.200 for all of you
00:13:43.960 who have been wishing well on me
00:13:45.120 and to the three people
00:13:46.240 that wished I got it.
00:13:47.140 Well, maybe better luck next week.
00:13:48.840 In any case,
00:13:49.780 the coronavirus update
00:13:51.120 this week is a bit
00:13:52.020 of an interesting one
00:13:52.920 because when I spoke about it
00:13:54.400 on last week's show
00:13:55.460 or one of last week's shows,
00:13:57.120 I had a lot of,
00:13:58.100 I don't want to say
00:13:58.800 a lot of backlash.
00:14:00.280 I had some backlash
00:14:01.300 from people who insist
00:14:02.520 that by talking about it,
00:14:04.400 I'm buying into
00:14:05.420 the mainstream media hysteria.
00:14:07.060 So there seems to be
00:14:07.880 two camps here.
00:14:09.020 There are the people
00:14:09.700 that are buying
00:14:10.500 three industrial tons worth
00:14:12.980 of toilet paper
00:14:13.780 and Purell from Costco
00:14:15.600 because they think
00:14:16.940 they're going to die.
00:14:17.640 The people that are wearing
00:14:18.260 gas masks around.
00:14:19.560 And then there are the people
00:14:20.340 that think it's all
00:14:20.980 like a deep state conspiracy.
00:14:23.280 And it's funny,
00:14:24.120 I actually went to my,
00:14:25.460 I went to get a haircut.
00:14:27.660 When was it?
00:14:28.340 On Saturday or Friday
00:14:29.680 of last week.
00:14:30.860 And my,
00:14:32.140 I don't know if she's
00:14:32.720 a hairdresser or a barber.
00:14:34.280 I mean,
00:14:34.500 it seems weird to say
00:14:36.440 I went to a hairdresser
00:14:37.160 because my hair
00:14:37.680 is not particularly dressed,
00:14:38.960 but whatever she is,
00:14:40.320 lovely woman,
00:14:41.540 a bit of a conspiracy theorist though.
00:14:43.200 So she was saying
00:14:44.020 that she thinks
00:14:44.680 the coronavirus
00:14:45.260 is an American invention.
00:14:47.780 And I'm like,
00:14:48.260 oh, like you think
00:14:48.760 it's fake news?
00:14:49.420 And she thinks,
00:14:49.980 no, like the Americans
00:14:51.520 she thinks made
00:14:52.600 the coronavirus.
00:14:54.020 But she also loves
00:14:55.460 Donald Trump,
00:14:56.480 which I found odd
00:14:57.340 because then I was thinking,
00:14:58.280 well, wait,
00:14:58.600 like it's one thing
00:14:59.520 to love Trump
00:15:01.140 and think that the coronavirus
00:15:02.260 is no big deal.
00:15:03.760 It's another thing
00:15:04.500 to think the U.S.
00:15:05.720 made it and hate the U.S.
00:15:07.320 She loves the U.S.
00:15:08.540 and thinks the U.S. did it,
00:15:09.960 which makes me
00:15:10.520 a little bit curious.
00:15:11.240 Like is she pro-coronavirus
00:15:13.220 in any case?
00:15:14.180 So I'm in between here
00:15:15.660 and I think I said this last week.
00:15:16.980 I'm not panicking.
00:15:18.380 I'm washing my hands
00:15:19.720 probably a bit more
00:15:20.960 than I normally do,
00:15:22.340 but I should be washing them
00:15:23.680 that often anyway.
00:15:24.880 So I'll try to keep that up.
00:15:26.840 And I also live a life
00:15:28.660 that is not insular,
00:15:30.100 but I'm not in crowds.
00:15:31.760 I don't take public transit
00:15:33.320 generally with the exception
00:15:34.780 of when I'm traveling,
00:15:35.780 which I mean,
00:15:36.840 if I'm going to get it,
00:15:38.240 it's going to be on an airplane
00:15:39.180 or at an airport.
00:15:40.180 But I do think it's interesting
00:15:41.820 how other people
00:15:42.800 are choosing to navigate this.
00:15:44.620 My personal favorite,
00:15:45.940 a letter to the advice
00:15:47.040 columnist in Slate.
00:15:48.560 Should I pause my open marriage
00:15:50.500 because of the coronavirus?
00:15:52.580 The rationale being
00:15:53.660 that the letter writer's mother
00:15:55.440 is immunocompromised.
00:15:57.380 Is it unreasonable
00:15:58.080 to ask my husband
00:15:59.240 not to swap fluids
00:16:00.260 with his girlfriend
00:16:00.880 until the coronavirus blows over?
00:16:03.020 Well, at the risk
00:16:03.680 of sounding overly judgmental,
00:16:05.200 which I'm entirely okay
00:16:06.400 with doing right now,
00:16:07.700 you should probably be
00:16:09.020 pausing your open marriage
00:16:10.020 for reasons that have nothing
00:16:11.140 to do with the coronavirus at all.
00:16:13.340 So problem solved.
00:16:14.360 You can move on there.
00:16:15.980 Another one in a club
00:16:18.080 in Los Angeles
00:16:19.260 in New York City called,
00:16:20.560 it's really weird,
00:16:21.320 it's spelt S-N-C-T-M.
00:16:24.560 So I'm assuming
00:16:24.980 it's called Sanctum,
00:16:26.060 but it would be like
00:16:27.020 Snook-tum, Snook-tum.
00:16:29.300 Sanctum, I guess,
00:16:30.080 is what it is,
00:16:30.580 but I'd like to buy a vowel.
00:16:32.100 They are apparently
00:16:33.260 not canceling
00:16:34.200 their planned orgies,
00:16:35.760 or as the New York Post
00:16:37.160 page six says,
00:16:38.500 they are thrusting onwards
00:16:40.020 in the face of coronavirus,
00:16:42.900 despite the fact
00:16:43.940 that concerts
00:16:44.660 are being canceled,
00:16:45.720 Austin's South by Southwest
00:16:46.960 is being canceled,
00:16:48.140 lots of things
00:16:48.700 are being canceled,
00:16:49.380 including a British marmalade
00:16:50.980 festival, by the way,
00:16:52.000 and like for the Brits
00:16:53.000 to cancel a marmalade festival
00:16:54.500 is like the Olympics
00:16:56.460 being canceled
00:16:57.240 to other people.
00:16:58.980 Sanctum has an orgy
00:17:00.480 coming up in Los Angeles,
00:17:01.840 another one in Manhattan,
00:17:02.620 and they're saying
00:17:03.320 they're still going ahead,
00:17:04.800 but they are going to allow
00:17:06.760 hand sanitizer
00:17:08.420 and extra soap
00:17:09.260 to be distributed.
00:17:10.300 I feel it's not the hands
00:17:11.640 that are going to be the issue
00:17:12.680 at a mass LA
00:17:14.360 or Manhattan sex party.
00:17:15.880 I've never been to one,
00:17:16.880 but again,
00:17:17.140 I feel the hands
00:17:17.940 are not the primary vehicle
00:17:19.900 of concern there.
00:17:21.100 And another coronavirus story
00:17:22.660 that's kind of fun.
00:17:23.740 This is, I think,
00:17:25.180 a great example
00:17:26.080 of American litigiousness
00:17:27.600 at its absolute finest.
00:17:29.740 A couple aboard
00:17:30.800 the Grand Princess Cruise ship
00:17:32.580 is suing Princess Cruise Lines
00:17:34.560 for $1 million.
00:17:35.960 They're not even off the ship yet.
00:17:37.820 It's a Florida couple,
00:17:38.920 of course,
00:17:39.560 and what better way
00:17:40.280 to pass the time
00:17:41.120 than by filing a lawsuit?
00:17:42.540 Ronald and Eva Weisberger
00:17:43.780 of Broward County
00:17:45.000 seeking a million dollars
00:17:46.600 in damages.
00:17:47.820 Two of the 3,500 passengers
00:17:50.140 and crew members aboard,
00:17:51.960 which means they should have
00:17:52.920 just gone and canvassed
00:17:53.960 to do like a class action
00:17:55.300 or something.
00:17:55.840 I mean, you've got the time,
00:17:56.880 but I guess the whole point
00:17:57.940 is they don't want to see people,
00:17:59.040 so maybe that's the best way
00:18:00.840 to do it after all.
00:18:02.160 So interestingly enough,
00:18:03.440 I had a column on the weekend
00:18:05.100 at tnc.news
00:18:06.620 about the Iranian problem here
00:18:09.320 because next to China
00:18:10.880 and South Korea,
00:18:11.920 Iran has more confirmed deaths
00:18:15.540 than any other country
00:18:17.780 due to coronavirus.
00:18:19.820 And unlike China,
00:18:21.720 Iran actually has
00:18:23.080 a very rapid growth rate.
00:18:24.600 In China,
00:18:25.160 the country says
00:18:26.120 things are leveling off a bit
00:18:27.560 and the official numbers
00:18:29.420 seem to reflect that.
00:18:30.900 But with the case of Iran,
00:18:32.980 there is very conflicting
00:18:34.280 information about it,
00:18:35.780 whereas the government
00:18:36.600 is saying there's
00:18:37.920 one set of casualties
00:18:39.220 that's less than 200 right now.
00:18:41.700 And other groups
00:18:42.880 like the Mujahideen-i-Kalq,
00:18:44.920 which is an Iranian
00:18:45.700 resistance group,
00:18:47.160 they say from their sources
00:18:48.660 on the ground,
00:18:49.420 in the government,
00:18:50.180 in hospitals,
00:18:50.760 that the number
00:18:51.820 is well over 2,000,
00:18:53.520 I think up to like 2,600
00:18:54.880 and rapidly rising.
00:18:57.800 And even if you don't
00:18:58.720 accept MEK's numbers,
00:19:01.180 the BBC Persia
00:19:02.600 had at one point
00:19:04.140 received reports
00:19:05.520 from healthcare facilities
00:19:07.040 that the numbers
00:19:07.940 were about six times
00:19:09.820 what the government
00:19:10.500 had acknowledged.
00:19:11.280 And that was a couple
00:19:11.920 of weeks ago
00:19:12.520 that BBC Persia
00:19:13.560 had reported that.
00:19:15.420 So the Iranian regime,
00:19:16.980 which is just pretending
00:19:18.060 that everything's fine,
00:19:19.200 pretending it's got
00:19:19.960 things under control,
00:19:21.440 is seeing cases
00:19:22.580 in all provinces of Iran.
00:19:24.860 The Iranian regime
00:19:26.200 is arresting people
00:19:28.220 for talking about it.
00:19:29.400 There's one area,
00:19:30.740 I forget the name
00:19:31.560 of the city,
00:19:32.080 where the state
00:19:32.880 has actually barred people
00:19:34.360 from talking about numbers,
00:19:36.200 from talking about stats,
00:19:37.440 including officials.
00:19:38.960 You've got MPs
00:19:40.220 that have contracted it.
00:19:41.300 You've got other MPs
00:19:42.400 that are saying
00:19:42.980 the government's lying
00:19:44.160 about this.
00:19:45.340 You had one guy
00:19:46.380 who was arrested
00:19:47.120 for filming the body pile up
00:19:49.380 in the morgue
00:19:50.280 to say,
00:19:51.160 well, hang on,
00:19:51.680 these morgues
00:19:52.420 and the numbers here
00:19:53.280 aren't matching the numbers
00:19:54.660 the government's giving.
00:19:56.000 And the one point
00:19:57.220 that I maintain,
00:19:58.000 even if you think
00:19:58.660 that the coronavirus
00:19:59.280 is overblown
00:20:00.340 or COVID-19
00:20:01.240 is overblown,
00:20:02.380 is that a lot
00:20:03.600 of what we know
00:20:04.540 about it,
00:20:05.520 has to accept
00:20:06.960 at face value
00:20:08.320 numbers from countries
00:20:09.920 that are not
00:20:11.140 respectable truth-tellers,
00:20:14.960 China and Iran
00:20:15.840 being chief among them.
00:20:17.620 So I don't trust
00:20:18.680 China's numbers,
00:20:19.480 I don't trust
00:20:19.940 China's death rate,
00:20:20.740 I don't trust Iran's numbers,
00:20:22.100 and I don't trust
00:20:22.700 Iran's death rate.
00:20:23.920 So if you have those
00:20:25.340 among the highest
00:20:26.820 of the high
00:20:27.680 in the official tallies even,
00:20:29.780 you have to assume
00:20:30.580 that the unofficial tallies
00:20:31.720 are going to be much higher
00:20:32.660 and a lot of the Western
00:20:34.320 response is based
00:20:35.460 on those official numbers.
00:20:37.340 So that's the issue
00:20:38.460 and that's the variable
00:20:39.400 and you can be skeptical
00:20:40.700 about that
00:20:42.340 without being
00:20:43.200 in a full-blown panic
00:20:44.560 and that was
00:20:45.100 where I was kind of annoyed
00:20:46.400 with a lot of the people
00:20:47.680 that I had responding
00:20:48.600 to my column
00:20:49.300 saying that,
00:20:50.320 well, I mean,
00:20:51.660 you're just taking
00:20:52.460 the mainstream media
00:20:53.300 panic position now.
00:20:54.540 No, I'm saying
00:20:55.580 that we can't trust
00:20:56.840 what these dictatorships
00:20:59.080 are telling us
00:21:00.060 because their goal
00:21:01.460 is regime survival.
00:21:03.060 I mean, the goal
00:21:03.620 of the Iranian regime
00:21:04.740 is to ensure
00:21:06.020 its own survival,
00:21:07.420 which means that
00:21:08.020 it needs to do
00:21:09.540 what it can
00:21:10.220 to pretend
00:21:10.960 that it has things
00:21:12.000 under control.
00:21:13.200 So I would absolutely
00:21:14.880 adore,
00:21:16.800 adore nothing more
00:21:18.360 than to move past
00:21:19.420 coronavirus,
00:21:20.220 have no more cases,
00:21:21.240 have it just level off
00:21:23.020 and have no concerns.
00:21:24.920 Right now,
00:21:25.600 that's not happening
00:21:26.360 and when people
00:21:27.320 are dying from it,
00:21:28.540 you can't say
00:21:29.200 that it's a media panic.
00:21:30.800 You could say
00:21:31.400 that there's some
00:21:31.980 hysteria around it.
00:21:33.140 I saw a video
00:21:33.740 the other day
00:21:34.280 of people literally
00:21:35.040 racing through Costco,
00:21:37.440 which I thought
00:21:38.200 was a bit excessive
00:21:38.980 because I try to avoid
00:21:39.940 Costco in general,
00:21:41.220 which, by the way,
00:21:42.440 has done away
00:21:43.700 with free samples,
00:21:44.700 which was like
00:21:45.800 the only reason
00:21:46.480 I ever went to Costco.
00:21:47.820 I didn't actually care
00:21:48.640 about buying,
00:21:49.480 you know,
00:21:50.300 37,000 rolls
00:21:51.560 of toilet paper.
00:21:52.300 I just wanted
00:21:53.040 to have like a,
00:21:54.520 you know,
00:21:54.820 stone cold bite
00:21:56.080 of a taquito
00:21:56.680 or something.
00:21:57.280 So, in any case,
00:21:58.940 I would love to see us
00:22:00.240 move beyond this,
00:22:01.420 but no,
00:22:01.860 you can't say
00:22:02.680 that nothing is happening.
00:22:04.700 You can't say
00:22:05.360 that nothing is happening.
00:22:06.320 You can say
00:22:06.720 that you think
00:22:07.060 it's overblown,
00:22:08.040 you can say
00:22:08.500 that you think
00:22:08.820 it's overhyped,
00:22:09.400 but you can't say
00:22:09.980 that nothing's happening
00:22:10.860 and you also can't say
00:22:12.660 that we should be
00:22:13.940 accepting at face value
00:22:15.400 what China and Iran
00:22:16.580 are saying
00:22:17.360 about coronavirus
00:22:18.520 because these countries
00:22:19.560 have proven themselves
00:22:20.340 to be liars in the past
00:22:21.560 and they fundamentally
00:22:22.960 do not value
00:22:24.300 human life,
00:22:25.460 which means that
00:22:26.380 when something like this
00:22:27.260 comes up
00:22:27.760 that does threaten
00:22:28.880 human life,
00:22:29.940 you can't trust
00:22:31.760 what they're doing
00:22:32.600 because they care more
00:22:33.520 about their own PR
00:22:34.400 than they do about
00:22:35.840 the health and well-being
00:22:37.060 and the Iranian death rate
00:22:38.360 seems to be significantly higher
00:22:39.880 than it is even
00:22:40.960 in other countries,
00:22:41.720 which again brings us
00:22:42.700 to the question
00:22:43.300 of what the heck
00:22:44.260 is going on there.
00:22:45.440 So, if you want
00:22:46.460 to read the column,
00:22:47.320 I articulated
00:22:48.360 where I'm approaching
00:22:49.520 this from.
00:22:50.080 It's called
00:22:50.560 Iran's coronavirus lies
00:22:52.640 are putting Iranians
00:22:53.560 and Canadians at risk
00:22:54.880 and the reason I say
00:22:55.920 the bit about Canadians
00:22:56.820 is because most
00:22:57.780 of the recent cases
00:22:58.860 in Canada
00:22:59.480 are from Iranians,
00:23:01.300 people that have come
00:23:02.000 from Iran to Canada,
00:23:03.560 thus proving
00:23:04.300 that perhaps
00:23:05.000 we should have been
00:23:05.700 putting some travel
00:23:06.700 restrictions in place,
00:23:07.960 which virtually
00:23:09.060 every country
00:23:09.960 around the world
00:23:10.640 is doing,
00:23:11.520 but Canada says,
00:23:12.380 oh, a virus knows
00:23:13.060 no borders.
00:23:13.660 That's not going
00:23:14.200 to do anything.
00:23:14.800 Well, when we have
00:23:17.300 the vast majority
00:23:18.440 of our cases
00:23:19.060 being imported
00:23:19.960 rather than local
00:23:20.820 transmission,
00:23:21.400 it would seem
00:23:22.240 travel restrictions
00:23:23.060 are entirely
00:23:24.160 appropriate
00:23:25.220 at this point.
00:23:26.580 We've got to take a break
00:23:27.560 when we come back
00:23:28.220 more of The Andrew Lawton Show
00:23:29.540 here on True North.
00:23:31.600 You're tuned in
00:23:32.740 to The Andrew Lawton Show.
00:23:39.000 Welcome back
00:23:39.840 to The Andrew Lawton Show.
00:23:41.560 You know,
00:23:41.960 the Canadian healthcare system
00:23:43.400 is for a lot of Canadians,
00:23:45.200 I think,
00:23:45.680 a big blind spot
00:23:46.740 and I don't want to say
00:23:47.820 that our healthcare system
00:23:48.780 is akin to that
00:23:49.660 of a third world country.
00:23:51.140 We have world-class
00:23:52.200 healthcare in Canada.
00:23:53.600 I say this as someone
00:23:54.400 who lives in a city
00:23:55.260 that has an incredible
00:23:56.300 teaching hospital
00:23:57.320 and university healthcare,
00:23:59.080 but the thing is
00:24:00.080 the care itself
00:24:02.260 is good.
00:24:03.740 The access to it
00:24:05.000 a lot of the times
00:24:06.040 is very inadequate
00:24:07.220 and there's a reason
00:24:08.060 that you have
00:24:08.500 so many Canadians
00:24:09.300 that choose to go
00:24:10.520 and seek healthcare abroad,
00:24:12.600 specifically in the United States,
00:24:14.220 especially Canadians
00:24:15.120 in border communities,
00:24:16.380 but even Canadians
00:24:17.420 that live far away
00:24:18.260 from the border
00:24:18.820 that have to get on a plane
00:24:19.960 and go to the U.S.
00:24:21.740 Now,
00:24:22.040 if you think navigating
00:24:22.920 your own country's
00:24:23.900 healthcare system
00:24:24.600 can be difficult,
00:24:25.420 imagine those navigating
00:24:27.020 the healthcare system
00:24:27.900 of another country
00:24:29.000 and where there's a will,
00:24:30.620 there's a way.
00:24:31.200 There's actually a company
00:24:32.360 based in Halifax
00:24:33.860 specializing in connecting Canadians
00:24:36.320 to American healthcare
00:24:38.300 and I learned of this
00:24:39.700 in an interview done
00:24:40.560 by my good friend
00:24:41.320 Chris Sims last week
00:24:42.580 and I wanted to speak
00:24:43.380 with one of the co-founders
00:24:44.980 of this organization,
00:24:46.620 HealthVantis, directly.
00:24:48.720 One of the co-founders,
00:24:49.840 Christy Yvonne,
00:24:50.960 joins me on the line now.
00:24:52.260 Christy, it is great to talk to you.
00:24:53.860 Thanks very much for your time.
00:24:55.060 Yes, same here, Andrew.
00:24:56.120 Thank you.
00:24:56.740 Thank you for having us.
00:24:58.460 Now, I just mentioned
00:24:59.660 at the beginning of the show
00:25:00.780 that one of the challenges
00:25:02.220 with healthcare in Canada
00:25:03.480 is that it's great
00:25:05.080 until it isn't
00:25:06.120 and there are lots of people
00:25:07.260 that have no issues
00:25:08.000 navigating the system.
00:25:09.180 They have great care.
00:25:10.040 They can access it
00:25:10.960 but there are a lot of people,
00:25:12.660 I know several of them
00:25:13.900 and I myself have had
00:25:15.020 serious wait list issues before
00:25:17.080 that are not able
00:25:18.440 to navigate the system.
00:25:19.560 They're not able
00:25:20.100 to get access to care.
00:25:21.220 So when I heard
00:25:21.880 that this was really
00:25:23.460 a part of what created
00:25:25.460 HealthVantis,
00:25:26.180 I was very intrigued
00:25:27.120 and I know there's
00:25:29.040 a story behind this.
00:25:30.320 So tell me how this came about.
00:25:32.940 Yeah, so Leanna and I
00:25:35.380 are friends
00:25:36.740 and we both had experienced delays
00:25:42.060 in the healthcare system
00:25:43.800 and were met with challenges
00:25:45.960 and we continued to kind of talk
00:25:49.040 about this whole process
00:25:50.380 and for me,
00:25:52.320 the first experience I had with it
00:25:54.700 was when my son was an infant.
00:25:57.440 He was around six months old
00:25:59.600 and he all of a sudden
00:26:02.420 stopped wanting to eat
00:26:04.060 and was dropping weight
00:26:06.200 and at the time
00:26:09.700 I was new to Nova Scotia
00:26:11.380 and had not established
00:26:12.920 a family doctor
00:26:14.140 and was unable to get one.
00:26:17.180 Nobody was taking new patients
00:26:18.700 at the time
00:26:19.540 and so my only option
00:26:21.760 was to go to a walk-in clinic
00:26:23.220 and I wasn't really getting
00:26:25.480 any help there
00:26:26.840 and eventually
00:26:28.880 after a breakdown
00:26:30.500 with one of my other friends
00:26:33.260 she ended up asking
00:26:35.640 her family doctor
00:26:37.100 that she had been going to
00:26:38.260 since she was a child
00:26:39.580 if she could take
00:26:42.020 my family on
00:26:44.500 and she agreed to.
00:26:46.060 So I was finally able
00:26:46.760 to get a family physician
00:26:48.300 and a referral out
00:26:51.240 to a pediatrician
00:26:52.480 which took quite some time
00:26:54.760 and by this time
00:26:57.800 he had dropped enough weight
00:27:01.220 that he was considered
00:27:02.060 failure to thrive
00:27:02.860 and he was actually
00:27:04.920 a normal healthy baby.
00:27:06.480 He was in the 50th percentile
00:27:08.300 and by this time
00:27:10.120 he had dropped off
00:27:11.740 the growth chart
00:27:12.440 and usually when you have
00:27:13.480 a drop of even like 10%
00:27:15.800 when you're an infant
00:27:18.000 or even a child
00:27:19.600 that's significant
00:27:20.480 and so here he had dropped
00:27:23.500 over 50%
00:27:25.040 and was not able
00:27:27.460 to get him to eat anything
00:27:29.060 and I just could not
00:27:30.680 figure out why.
00:27:33.100 I didn't get very much help
00:27:35.320 or direction
00:27:36.980 when I was at
00:27:38.080 this particular
00:27:38.720 pediatrician's office.
00:27:40.940 I had requested
00:27:41.840 to see another one
00:27:44.060 and after about
00:27:45.740 six months of this
00:27:46.860 I decided to take him
00:27:49.260 to the U.S.
00:27:50.820 and have him evaluated
00:27:51.740 and so I flew to
00:27:53.760 Charlotte, North Carolina
00:27:55.220 to a pediatrician
00:27:56.340 I had seen before.
00:27:59.220 I was from Charlotte,
00:28:01.800 Scotia prior to that
00:28:05.320 and so I went
00:28:06.480 and she had me
00:28:09.180 into a pediatric GI doctor
00:28:11.620 the next day
00:28:12.480 and this doctor
00:28:14.980 had diagnosed him
00:28:16.200 pretty much
00:28:16.860 right on the spot
00:28:17.780 she felt like
00:28:18.800 he had reflux
00:28:19.660 which is a
00:28:21.220 you know
00:28:21.520 very treatable
00:28:23.280 very common
00:28:24.400 disorder in babies
00:28:26.080 you know
00:28:27.240 the difference is
00:28:27.980 that you know
00:28:28.560 a lot of times
00:28:29.440 the infants
00:28:30.760 will have
00:28:31.160 like a projectile
00:28:32.120 type of
00:28:33.680 you know
00:28:34.940 reflux
00:28:36.340 so you can
00:28:37.120 physically see it
00:28:38.260 but in my son's case
00:28:40.320 his was more internal
00:28:41.620 and so he was
00:28:42.780 associating the food
00:28:44.140 you know
00:28:44.500 with that burning
00:28:45.140 sensation
00:28:45.800 which is why
00:28:46.520 he wouldn't eat
00:28:47.600 and so they
00:28:48.980 put us on
00:28:50.020 a medication
00:28:52.340 for him
00:28:53.280 and within a couple
00:28:54.500 weeks time
00:28:55.180 he started eating
00:28:56.040 you know
00:28:58.400 and so that was
00:28:59.100 kind of my first
00:29:00.400 you know
00:29:01.620 bout with
00:29:02.480 dealing with
00:29:03.440 you know
00:29:03.760 delays
00:29:04.200 and not really
00:29:05.520 being able to get
00:29:06.720 the treatment
00:29:08.220 you know
00:29:08.980 that I was
00:29:09.640 hoping for
00:29:10.500 especially for my
00:29:11.840 child
00:29:12.200 I also
00:29:13.120 you know
00:29:13.720 personally
00:29:14.320 continued to have
00:29:15.460 some other issues
00:29:17.320 with delays
00:29:18.080 and trying to get
00:29:19.480 some tests
00:29:20.440 for myself
00:29:21.160 that took 10
00:29:22.580 months
00:29:23.000 and you know
00:29:24.660 and Leanna and I
00:29:25.840 would discuss this
00:29:27.700 all of the time
00:29:28.560 you know
00:29:28.780 the frustration
00:29:29.400 and we're like
00:29:30.680 you know
00:29:30.900 what do people do
00:29:31.960 when they're put
00:29:32.860 in a position
00:29:33.360 like that
00:29:34.060 you know
00:29:34.660 where do you go
00:29:35.660 and you know
00:29:36.680 who can you
00:29:37.560 talk to about this
00:29:38.980 and you know
00:29:40.400 and we started
00:29:41.180 looking into it
00:29:42.540 and realized
00:29:43.720 that there were
00:29:44.260 a lot of Canadians
00:29:45.240 that did travel
00:29:47.940 outside of Canada
00:29:49.940 to have care
00:29:51.300 simply because
00:29:52.420 you know
00:29:53.700 they were experiencing
00:29:54.900 similar experiences
00:29:56.700 that we had
00:29:57.380 you know
00:29:57.900 the delays
00:29:59.040 or you know
00:30:01.140 the fact that
00:30:01.660 they couldn't
00:30:02.460 get a particular
00:30:03.860 type of treatment
00:30:05.320 we kind of
00:30:06.620 discussed it
00:30:07.440 like you know
00:30:08.200 gosh you know
00:30:08.900 we know a lot
00:30:09.500 about how
00:30:10.180 the U.S.
00:30:11.080 health care system
00:30:11.800 works
00:30:12.340 because we both
00:30:13.240 had lived in the U.S.
00:30:15.080 and experienced
00:30:15.680 U.S. health care
00:30:16.740 and you know
00:30:18.040 had also
00:30:18.680 you know
00:30:19.320 lived in Canada
00:30:20.200 and experienced
00:30:21.080 how it worked there
00:30:22.120 and thought
00:30:23.060 that we might be able
00:30:24.080 to provide
00:30:25.420 some kind of value
00:30:26.320 to Canadians
00:30:27.980 in being able
00:30:29.000 to navigate
00:30:29.560 that system
00:30:30.440 should they want
00:30:31.520 an option
00:30:32.100 to
00:30:32.920 you know
00:30:34.300 to travel
00:30:35.040 and have their
00:30:36.100 done in a quicker
00:30:37.740 manner
00:30:38.200 and that's kind
00:30:39.580 of how
00:30:40.100 you know
00:30:40.460 Health Mantis
00:30:41.160 came about
00:30:41.900 and you know
00:30:43.040 we're into our
00:30:43.600 third year now
00:30:44.540 and you know
00:30:46.000 really enjoy
00:30:46.660 what we're doing
00:30:47.580 and the fact
00:30:48.860 that we can help
00:30:49.840 someone
00:30:50.280 who's in a position
00:30:51.520 that we were in
00:30:52.460 because we understand
00:30:53.340 how they feel
00:30:54.260 and you know
00:30:56.480 that's just kind
00:30:57.440 of yeah
00:30:57.820 where we started.
00:30:58.940 Now I know
00:31:00.420 that you're not
00:31:01.240 a health care provider
00:31:02.480 your company
00:31:03.140 is not
00:31:03.920 and I guess
00:31:04.840 the question is
00:31:05.520 what is the service
00:31:06.520 you're providing
00:31:07.280 when people could do
00:31:08.620 as you did
00:31:09.400 which was just
00:31:10.040 call up a health care
00:31:11.100 provider directly
00:31:11.940 in the U.S.
00:31:12.660 where does Health Mantis
00:31:13.860 come in there?
00:31:15.820 Yeah so yeah
00:31:16.820 we definitely are not
00:31:17.760 and we make sure
00:31:18.540 you know
00:31:18.920 to let people know
00:31:19.700 that we do get
00:31:20.480 a lot of people
00:31:22.520 thinking that we are
00:31:23.340 an actual facility
00:31:24.120 which you know
00:31:24.740 we're not
00:31:25.260 and you know
00:31:27.740 basically where
00:31:28.440 we come into play
00:31:29.400 is being able
00:31:30.660 to make that connection
00:31:31.940 to you know
00:31:34.420 a facility
00:31:35.020 that is
00:31:35.760 it's a reputable facility
00:31:39.160 and is going to have
00:31:39.840 quality of care
00:31:41.140 you know
00:31:42.900 all the facilities
00:31:43.760 that we're working with
00:31:45.320 are ones that we
00:31:46.360 personally visited
00:31:47.460 and we've met
00:31:49.100 the administration
00:31:49.640 so we've kind of
00:31:50.880 added them
00:31:51.680 you know
00:31:52.280 that was one
00:31:52.840 of the important things
00:31:54.040 to us
00:31:54.440 was that
00:31:55.060 you know
00:31:56.060 if we were going
00:31:56.760 to you know
00:31:58.840 send somebody
00:31:59.500 to a particular
00:32:00.420 surgeon
00:32:02.180 we wanted to
00:32:02.800 make sure
00:32:03.680 that the quality
00:32:04.900 of care
00:32:05.360 was going to be there
00:32:06.400 that the credentials
00:32:07.780 had been
00:32:08.240 you know
00:32:09.900 just so that
00:32:10.480 whatever they were
00:32:11.620 having done
00:32:12.300 you know
00:32:12.540 be it a surgery
00:32:13.160 or a procedure
00:32:13.900 that it was going
00:32:15.460 to be done
00:32:16.160 in a safe manner
00:32:17.400 it wasn't that
00:32:19.340 you know
00:32:19.600 you're just
00:32:19.840 throwing a dart
00:32:20.560 you know
00:32:20.900 the U.S.
00:32:21.720 is a large country
00:32:23.580 and you know
00:32:24.460 there's a lot
00:32:24.880 of options
00:32:25.360 and choices
00:32:26.380 there
00:32:26.820 and it's not
00:32:27.800 to say that
00:32:28.300 you know
00:32:28.560 there's
00:32:29.000 you know
00:32:29.380 facilities out there
00:32:30.360 that aren't up to par
00:32:31.260 but you know
00:32:32.260 there can be
00:32:33.480 you know
00:32:34.660 and so that was
00:32:35.520 important to us
00:32:36.560 yeah
00:32:37.020 if you're going in blind
00:32:38.160 and you have no idea
00:32:39.460 which the good player is
00:32:41.160 like there are very easily
00:32:42.380 reputational challenges
00:32:44.100 that you would have
00:32:44.960 no idea of
00:32:45.820 if you were just googling
00:32:46.600 for services
00:32:47.320 in a particular jurisdiction
00:32:48.560 right
00:32:50.280 healthcare is really
00:32:52.440 complex too
00:32:53.500 and knowing how
00:32:54.220 to navigate it
00:32:55.160 even just
00:32:56.360 you know
00:32:56.700 getting a price
00:32:57.560 on something
00:32:58.400 you know
00:32:59.220 that's a huge
00:33:01.000 thing obviously
00:33:02.260 you know
00:33:03.240 procedures
00:33:03.700 and surgeries
00:33:04.460 are not cheap
00:33:05.680 and being able
00:33:06.960 to get
00:33:07.700 you know
00:33:08.380 the cost of something
00:33:09.540 can be really challenging
00:33:10.680 and you can kind of
00:33:11.500 go in circles
00:33:12.080 and spin your wheels
00:33:13.200 you know
00:33:14.740 because
00:33:15.280 not all facilities
00:33:16.720 are going to give you
00:33:18.020 like the total price
00:33:20.180 they might give you
00:33:21.360 the cost of
00:33:22.140 you know
00:33:22.560 okay well this is what
00:33:23.340 the surgeon
00:33:23.840 is going to charge you
00:33:25.540 to have this particular
00:33:26.480 surgery
00:33:27.220 but you need to call
00:33:29.120 the anesthesiology
00:33:30.160 group that we utilize
00:33:31.720 to find out
00:33:32.240 what their charge is
00:33:33.200 and you need to call
00:33:34.520 the facility
00:33:35.100 where we do the surgery
00:33:36.260 to find out
00:33:37.260 what the facility
00:33:37.900 charge will be
00:33:38.860 you know
00:33:40.040 and so
00:33:40.720 things
00:33:43.240 you know
00:33:43.720 that we had
00:33:44.660 to keep in mind
00:33:45.440 and
00:33:45.800 in finding locations
00:33:47.800 that they were able
00:33:48.640 to provide us
00:33:49.900 with the cost
00:33:51.180 for everything
00:33:51.980 you know
00:33:52.640 because the last thing
00:33:53.440 that you want
00:33:54.120 is to
00:33:54.940 you know
00:33:55.400 tell somebody
00:33:56.140 okay you can have
00:33:57.180 the surgery
00:33:57.660 for X amount
00:33:58.380 of dollars
00:33:58.840 and not realize
00:34:01.300 oh wait
00:34:01.800 it didn't
00:34:02.340 you know
00:34:02.620 cover the cost
00:34:03.780 of you know
00:34:04.560 maybe the
00:34:05.080 facility fee
00:34:06.000 or something
00:34:06.960 you know
00:34:08.040 we didn't want
00:34:08.800 anybody having
00:34:09.360 surprise bills
00:34:10.360 and things like that
00:34:12.720 and so
00:34:13.280 you know
00:34:13.740 the facilities
00:34:14.460 that we had sought out
00:34:16.900 were able to provide us
00:34:18.280 with you know
00:34:19.900 bundled pricing
00:34:20.820 or kind of
00:34:21.240 all-inclusive pricing
00:34:22.240 so that the customer
00:34:24.700 was aware of
00:34:25.700 what the total package
00:34:27.000 was going to cost
00:34:28.100 you know
00:34:29.820 and also to help them
00:34:31.240 kind of navigate
00:34:31.920 how it's going to work
00:34:34.180 how many days
00:34:37.260 you need to come out
00:34:38.340 and also like
00:34:40.600 the timeliness of it
00:34:41.640 the providers
00:34:42.980 that we're working
00:34:43.620 with are really good
00:34:44.860 at working
00:34:46.840 with the customer
00:34:48.680 and getting them in
00:34:49.680 on their time schedule
00:34:51.080 you know
00:34:52.320 they usually can get them
00:34:53.220 in within a couple
00:34:54.000 weeks time
00:34:54.780 flexible with us
00:34:57.460 knowing that they're
00:34:58.260 coming from another country
00:34:59.340 so those are some
00:35:01.360 of some of the things
00:35:02.500 that we can provide
00:35:03.180 you know
00:35:04.680 we also help
00:35:05.620 book their travel
00:35:06.900 you know
00:35:08.240 we can suggest
00:35:09.200 hotels in the area
00:35:10.900 that are aware
00:35:12.240 that they're coming in
00:35:13.640 you know
00:35:13.940 for a surgery
00:35:14.620 or procedure
00:35:15.380 some of our doctors
00:35:16.580 have even went
00:35:17.680 as far as to go
00:35:19.080 to the hotel room
00:35:20.340 to check in on them
00:35:22.060 like on a daily basis
00:35:23.480 to make sure
00:35:24.260 that they're doing okay
00:35:25.580 and you know
00:35:26.640 they just really provide
00:35:27.740 that extra care
00:35:29.580 just knowing that
00:35:31.460 you know
00:35:31.820 they're coming in
00:35:33.040 from Canada
00:35:33.980 So I live in London, Ontario
00:35:37.200 and it's very common
00:35:38.620 for people
00:35:39.540 in my part of the country
00:35:40.740 to drive across the border
00:35:42.340 to Port Huron
00:35:43.780 or Detroit
00:35:44.280 to get typically
00:35:46.060 minor things
00:35:46.780 maybe it's something
00:35:47.460 diagnostic
00:35:48.100 like an MRI
00:35:48.820 or something like that
00:35:50.600 but you're in Atlantic Canada
00:35:51.940 a lot further removed
00:35:53.240 from the physical border
00:35:54.780 so you're dealing
00:35:55.700 with people
00:35:56.300 from the local perspective
00:35:58.000 that are flying
00:35:58.760 and I know you aren't
00:35:59.760 restricted in your
00:36:00.660 customer base
00:36:01.620 or client base
00:36:02.360 to Atlantic Canada
00:36:03.260 but do you find
00:36:04.540 that a lot of the people
00:36:05.540 that you get
00:36:06.120 are not just coming
00:36:07.300 from nearby the border
00:36:09.080 they're from
00:36:09.720 a further removed part
00:36:10.900 and they're flying in
00:36:12.600 for healthcare
00:36:13.280 Yeah, no
00:36:15.020 I'd have to agree with that
00:36:16.380 you know
00:36:17.420 definitely in Ontario
00:36:18.880 there's a lot more resources
00:36:21.040 right across the border
00:36:22.080 there are a lot of providers
00:36:24.200 there that are used
00:36:25.120 to seeing Canadians
00:36:26.140 come across the border
00:36:28.220 Yeah, the billboards
00:36:29.620 are like specifically
00:36:30.500 marketing to Canadians
00:36:31.880 when you cross the border
00:36:33.500 it's actually quite something
00:36:34.680 Yeah, yeah
00:36:36.440 definitely
00:36:37.820 yeah
00:36:38.300 there are definitely
00:36:38.900 those facilities there
00:36:40.640 and you know
00:36:41.980 and in the US
00:36:42.540 you know
00:36:42.980 the healthcare
00:36:43.380 it's a business
00:36:44.460 so you know
00:36:45.460 it's run very different
00:36:46.340 than the way it is
00:36:46.960 in Canada
00:36:47.360 so they're very happy
00:36:48.960 to treat Canadians
00:36:50.540 for sure
00:36:51.260 but yeah
00:36:52.720 in remote areas
00:36:53.680 Nova Scotia
00:36:55.960 PEI
00:36:57.080 you know
00:36:57.500 Labrador, Newfoundland
00:36:58.660 even Alberta
00:37:00.040 out west
00:37:00.880 you know
00:37:02.080 there's not as
00:37:03.100 easily accessible
00:37:04.200 facilities
00:37:05.260 right across the border
00:37:06.360 so people do have
00:37:07.580 to fly and travel
00:37:09.220 to have that
00:37:09.960 and we try to keep
00:37:11.120 that in mind
00:37:11.960 you know
00:37:13.300 when we're
00:37:13.920 trying to find
00:37:15.380 the right facility
00:37:16.200 for them
00:37:16.920 you know
00:37:18.000 we want to make sure
00:37:19.080 that it's
00:37:19.940 you know
00:37:20.180 if we can find
00:37:21.280 them a facility
00:37:22.240 where they can
00:37:22.940 have direct flight
00:37:24.220 you know
00:37:25.460 that's kind of
00:37:26.240 our first go-to
00:37:27.660 you know
00:37:28.880 if it's the right
00:37:29.800 you know
00:37:30.520 facility for them
00:37:32.200 you know
00:37:33.280 sometimes
00:37:33.920 that's not always
00:37:35.280 possible
00:37:36.260 but you know
00:37:37.120 we do try
00:37:37.720 to keep that in mind
00:37:39.440 because
00:37:39.920 there's also
00:37:41.160 a risk
00:37:41.800 in flying
00:37:43.200 after you've
00:37:43.940 had a surgery
00:37:44.620 and so
00:37:46.200 you know
00:37:46.700 if we can try
00:37:47.420 to keep the flight
00:37:48.280 time at four hours
00:37:49.560 or less
00:37:50.180 then there
00:37:51.120 you know
00:37:52.900 developing
00:37:53.340 something like
00:37:54.040 a DVT
00:37:54.740 or you know
00:37:55.900 a type of
00:37:56.860 complication
00:37:57.540 reduces that risk
00:37:59.440 and so
00:37:59.840 we certainly
00:38:00.480 try to keep
00:38:00.980 that in mind
00:38:02.280 you know
00:38:03.140 and sometimes
00:38:03.600 you know
00:38:04.160 people do have
00:38:05.060 a preference
00:38:05.500 on where they go
00:38:06.460 they may have
00:38:07.060 a vacation home
00:38:08.160 somewhere
00:38:08.560 or have family
00:38:09.340 in a specific
00:38:10.300 state
00:38:10.860 or something like that
00:38:12.200 and so
00:38:12.560 you know
00:38:12.880 we do try
00:38:13.360 to accommodate
00:38:14.080 if we can
00:38:14.900 it's not always
00:38:16.120 possible
00:38:16.560 but if we can
00:38:18.080 we certainly do
00:38:19.020 but definitely
00:38:20.280 try to find
00:38:21.620 a facility
00:38:22.020 that's going
00:38:22.420 to be
00:38:22.780 the most
00:38:23.200 convenient
00:38:23.640 to them
00:38:24.380 to keep
00:38:24.900 that travel
00:38:25.360 time down
00:38:26.460 I think
00:38:27.440 the stereotype
00:38:28.240 of a Canadian
00:38:29.840 who seeks
00:38:30.800 healthcare
00:38:31.600 in the US
00:38:32.720 the negative
00:38:33.860 stereotype
00:38:34.460 that I think
00:38:35.180 is peddled
00:38:35.660 about this
00:38:36.200 is someone
00:38:36.520 who's very
00:38:37.080 wealthy
00:38:37.520 and very
00:38:38.520 impatient
00:38:39.080 and I've
00:38:39.980 talked to
00:38:40.400 people that
00:38:41.000 have been
00:38:41.460 very middle
00:38:42.040 class
00:38:42.560 that have
00:38:43.100 sought
00:38:43.660 treatment
00:38:44.080 in the US
00:38:44.620 and I mean
00:38:45.460 they've spent
00:38:45.820 a lot of
00:38:46.240 money doing
00:38:46.700 it but
00:38:47.120 they've done
00:38:47.660 it because
00:38:48.000 they felt
00:38:48.380 they had
00:38:48.780 to and in
00:38:49.140 many cases
00:38:49.640 they did
00:38:50.100 and I'm
00:38:50.660 curious if
00:38:51.160 you see
00:38:51.520 that in
00:38:51.840 your client
00:38:52.340 base
00:38:52.660 are there
00:38:53.120 a lot
00:38:53.420 of just
00:38:53.720 ordinary
00:38:54.120 middle class
00:38:54.720 people
00:38:55.040 or is it
00:38:55.440 very much
00:38:55.940 an upper
00:38:56.760 income
00:38:57.220 service
00:38:58.100 that people
00:38:58.840 are in
00:38:59.540 your view
00:38:59.940 seeing
00:39:00.340 to be honest
00:39:02.960 I would have
00:39:03.600 to say
00:39:04.060 it's almost
00:39:04.840 all middle
00:39:05.740 class
00:39:06.260 you know
00:39:07.600 we may have
00:39:08.200 had a couple
00:39:08.960 cases where
00:39:10.000 you know
00:39:10.740 I mean
00:39:10.900 we obviously
00:39:11.360 can't see
00:39:11.960 you know
00:39:12.240 what their
00:39:12.560 income is
00:39:13.180 but it's
00:39:14.280 you know
00:39:14.740 the majority
00:39:16.280 of the
00:39:17.060 cases
00:39:17.840 you know
00:39:18.400 are people
00:39:18.760 that have
00:39:19.020 come to us
00:39:19.660 I would have
00:39:20.180 to say
00:39:20.480 are very
00:39:20.980 middle class
00:39:22.120 you know
00:39:23.720 and finances
00:39:25.160 are a huge
00:39:26.120 concern
00:39:26.940 and you know
00:39:28.460 and we again
00:39:29.300 try to keep
00:39:29.900 that you know
00:39:30.600 in mind
00:39:31.180 and you know
00:39:31.720 not everybody
00:39:32.320 can afford
00:39:33.360 to be able
00:39:34.880 to have treatment
00:39:36.760 or to pay
00:39:37.360 out of pocket
00:39:37.940 like that
00:39:38.680 and I do
00:39:40.660 think that
00:39:41.340 you know
00:39:41.720 it can be
00:39:43.460 you know
00:39:43.960 a burden
00:39:44.660 on some people
00:39:45.860 but they're
00:39:46.380 willing to
00:39:47.200 find the resources
00:39:48.960 and sacrifice
00:39:49.700 just because
00:39:50.720 they you know
00:39:51.660 their health
00:39:52.400 is important
00:39:52.960 to them
00:39:53.420 and they want
00:39:54.220 to feel better
00:39:54.740 they don't want
00:39:55.340 to have to
00:39:55.800 wait
00:39:56.080 but I would
00:39:58.160 say at least
00:39:58.820 you know
00:39:59.360 in our experience
00:40:00.860 it's definitely
00:40:02.040 more middle class
00:40:03.340 people that are
00:40:04.200 you know
00:40:04.560 coming to us
00:40:05.380 it's
00:40:05.700 I don't think
00:40:07.800 we've had
00:40:08.180 very many
00:40:08.700 where you know
00:40:09.640 money was no object
00:40:10.820 let's put it that way
00:40:11.780 so I guess
00:40:12.000 with that being said
00:40:13.340 you've got people
00:40:14.080 coming to you
00:40:15.000 that are not
00:40:16.480 having the disposable
00:40:17.500 income
00:40:17.940 or that the income
00:40:18.940 the money to do
00:40:19.800 this is not something
00:40:20.560 that can be covered
00:40:21.220 by disposable income
00:40:22.280 what's the feeling
00:40:23.540 if you could
00:40:24.020 characterize it
00:40:24.880 that most people
00:40:25.500 seem to have
00:40:26.180 by the time
00:40:26.800 they come to you
00:40:27.920 you know
00:40:29.600 they you know
00:40:30.720 a lot of people
00:40:31.620 obviously are very
00:40:32.540 frustrated
00:40:33.180 you know
00:40:34.620 they they all
00:40:35.720 have had
00:40:37.200 some kind of
00:40:38.100 negative experience
00:40:39.060 and you know
00:40:40.520 they've had a run around
00:40:41.580 they've been in circles
00:40:42.600 they've you know
00:40:43.860 tried to get into
00:40:45.580 specialists
00:40:46.340 you know
00:40:47.520 they they've kind of
00:40:48.920 done what they can
00:40:49.640 on their end
00:40:50.460 and they're at their
00:40:51.520 wits end
00:40:52.200 of you know
00:40:53.660 I just can't do this
00:40:55.320 anymore
00:40:55.780 you know
00:40:56.560 by the time that
00:40:57.280 they've kind of
00:40:57.800 come to us
00:40:58.580 and you know
00:41:01.020 there's there's a lot
00:41:02.160 of stress
00:41:02.780 that is involved
00:41:03.680 with that
00:41:04.140 some of them
00:41:04.900 have had to
00:41:06.060 you know
00:41:07.420 quit their job
00:41:08.400 or scale
00:41:09.520 their hours back
00:41:10.420 because they
00:41:11.340 they're in pain
00:41:12.400 or they're just
00:41:13.280 not physically
00:41:13.880 able to do
00:41:15.020 you know
00:41:16.020 the type of work
00:41:16.900 that they were doing
00:41:17.780 because of it
00:41:18.660 and I think
00:41:19.740 that has a lot
00:41:20.460 to do with it
00:41:21.280 you know
00:41:21.720 that
00:41:22.100 you know
00:41:23.520 for instance
00:41:24.180 you know
00:41:24.480 we had a customer
00:41:25.160 that was a masseuse
00:41:26.540 and she had an issue
00:41:28.060 with her hand
00:41:28.820 you know
00:41:29.540 she could not
00:41:30.480 do her job
00:41:31.280 anymore
00:41:31.720 because
00:41:32.220 it was too painful
00:41:33.900 you know
00:41:35.520 we see that a lot
00:41:36.840 and so there's
00:41:37.820 frustration
00:41:38.400 on their end
00:41:39.880 and they just
00:41:40.660 want to feel better
00:41:41.520 you know
00:41:42.520 they just want
00:41:43.100 to have somebody
00:41:44.580 you know
00:41:45.500 take their case
00:41:46.340 and help them
00:41:47.000 feel better
00:41:47.600 you know
00:41:48.420 there's other
00:41:48.740 situations
00:41:49.320 where they don't
00:41:50.480 have an answer
00:41:51.260 you know
00:41:52.100 they've kind of
00:41:52.940 been bounced
00:41:53.860 from doctor
00:41:54.500 to doctor
00:41:55.040 and they don't
00:41:55.700 know what's
00:41:56.120 going on
00:41:56.980 and you know
00:41:58.380 that may have
00:41:59.820 been happening
00:42:00.760 for a year
00:42:01.580 or two
00:42:02.000 and they just
00:42:03.200 want somebody
00:42:03.660 to tell them
00:42:04.560 what's going on
00:42:05.800 and what's wrong
00:42:06.360 with them
00:42:06.740 so they can get
00:42:07.360 the treatment
00:42:07.880 and feel better
00:42:09.420 so I think
00:42:10.740 like you know
00:42:11.580 the number one
00:42:12.520 feeling that we
00:42:14.060 see is probably
00:42:15.140 frustration
00:42:15.880 yeah
00:42:18.120 do you think
00:42:19.740 that your
00:42:20.280 business can exist
00:42:21.500 because the health
00:42:22.280 care in the U.S.
00:42:23.060 is fundamentally
00:42:23.700 better than
00:42:24.360 Canada's health
00:42:25.120 care
00:42:25.300 do you think
00:42:25.600 it really just
00:42:26.060 comes down
00:42:26.440 to access
00:42:27.140 no I think
00:42:28.980 it's more
00:42:29.400 about the
00:42:29.900 access to it
00:42:31.020 you know
00:42:32.400 you're able
00:42:33.420 to get in
00:42:34.160 to see a
00:42:34.680 physician
00:42:35.080 much quicker
00:42:36.460 and you know
00:42:37.480 much sooner
00:42:38.040 you're able
00:42:38.760 to have a
00:42:39.180 surgery
00:42:39.580 you know
00:42:41.160 in a much
00:42:41.740 quicker manner
00:42:42.560 so I think
00:42:43.500 it's more
00:42:43.940 about that
00:42:44.680 than anything
00:42:45.240 else
00:42:45.540 it's you know
00:42:46.140 it's not
00:42:46.500 that you know
00:42:47.220 that the doctors
00:42:48.380 are any better
00:42:49.120 than what they
00:42:49.640 are in Canada
00:42:50.380 every once
00:42:52.260 in a while
00:42:52.660 you know
00:42:52.980 we'll come
00:42:53.320 across a situation
00:42:54.260 where a particular
00:42:56.400 procedure
00:42:57.020 might not
00:42:57.700 be available
00:42:58.320 in Canada
00:42:58.920 yet
00:42:59.380 but you know
00:43:00.720 the majority
00:43:01.780 of the cases
00:43:02.400 it's just
00:43:03.920 the access
00:43:04.680 is all
00:43:05.280 well certainly
00:43:07.100 it's good
00:43:07.480 that you're there
00:43:07.960 to walk people
00:43:08.880 through what I know
00:43:09.840 could be very
00:43:10.300 difficult process
00:43:11.660 if someone needs
00:43:12.500 it and like you
00:43:13.020 said by the time
00:43:13.700 they come to you
00:43:14.340 they're in a place
00:43:15.740 of vulnerability
00:43:16.440 already so
00:43:17.420 very interesting
00:43:18.700 service was glad
00:43:19.500 I learned about it
00:43:20.240 through my friend
00:43:20.900 Chris Sims
00:43:21.420 and was glad
00:43:21.920 you were able
00:43:22.300 to chat today
00:43:23.040 Christy Yvonne
00:43:24.040 one of the co-founders
00:43:25.100 of HealthVantis
00:43:26.080 and the website
00:43:27.060 is HealthVantis.ca
00:43:28.860 and we've got it
00:43:29.480 up on the screen
00:43:30.340 there
00:43:30.540 thank you so much
00:43:31.400 Christy
00:43:31.700 I really appreciate it
00:43:32.960 yes thank you
00:43:33.820 so much Andrew
00:43:34.620 I appreciate it
00:43:35.700 as well
00:43:36.160 all right
00:43:36.900 well that does
00:43:37.420 it for us
00:43:38.160 today my thanks
00:43:39.160 to all who
00:43:39.720 listened to the show
00:43:40.680 wrote in
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00:43:43.180 you did
00:43:43.600 to let the show
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00:43:45.140 my thanks to you
00:43:45.880 and also of course
00:43:46.960 to Christy
00:43:47.460 for coming on
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