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00:00:33.860 Yes, welcome everyone to another edition of The Andrew Lawton Show,

00:00:37.860 Canada's Most Irreverent Talk Show here on True North.

00:00:41.160 And part of a country that is apparently making sure a woke Navy 0.59

00:00:45.280 is more important than anything else facing the Canadian Armed Forces.

00:00:49.940 That is the Canadian identity.

00:00:51.540 We have to have a woke, progressive, inclusive Navy

00:00:55.320 because you can't fight enemies of Canada without a little diversity.

00:01:01.160 When they say diversity is our strength,

00:01:02.780 they actually mean diversity is apparently our only weapon.

00:01:06.080 That's what we're going towards right now.

00:01:08.340 This story was a True North exclusive,

00:01:10.540 and one of the reasons I absolutely love True North as much as I do.

00:01:13.660 The Navy is considering a gender-neutral alternative to the junior seaman ranks.

00:01:18.700 The ranks that are up for a title change are Ordinary Seaman,

00:01:23.120 Able Seaman, Leading Seaman, and Master Seaman.

00:01:26.360 And I know that the high school version of myself is giggling inside as I say all of those

00:01:30.760 for reasons I'll let you figure out yourself.

00:01:33.260 This comes some...

00:01:34.380 Well, this is actually a story we learned of through people in the Navy

00:01:37.500 that learned they were being consulted

00:01:40.380 or at least pretending to be consulted

00:01:43.820 by the powers that be as they look at changing these names.

00:01:47.560 And they had put out a consultation invitation.

00:01:51.240 And understandably, the naval seamen that are impacted by this

00:01:57.160 don't seem to be too bothered by it.

00:01:58.700 So they were all laughing about it and mocking it.

00:02:00.840 And then it got passed to us and we looked into it.

00:02:03.480 And the Department of National Defense was actually quite proud of this.

00:02:07.480 Lieutenant Jamie Breslin, who's a spokesperson for the DND,

00:02:12.080 said that the ranks are going to be potentially changed

00:02:15.820 to reflect the more progressive character of the force.

00:02:20.960 And this is what Breslin said.

00:02:22.860 The RCN, the Royal Canadian Navy,

00:02:25.320 one of Canada's top employers in 2019, according to Forbes,

00:02:28.720 prides itself on inculcating an inclusive, diverse,

00:02:33.520 gender-neutral, and safe workplace.

00:02:36.380 Therefore, it was determined by naval leadership

00:02:38.640 that an organization that has long since had gender-neutral terms

00:02:42.740 for its personnel, sailor or shipmate,

00:02:45.980 needs to reconsider some few ranked titles

00:02:48.640 that are rich in history,

00:02:50.420 but perhaps not reflective of the modern progressive service

00:02:53.600 that is the RCN today.

00:02:56.400 Now, we don't know what it is they'll be changing them to,

00:02:59.120 will it be ordinary sailor, able sailor,

00:03:01.440 leading sailor, master sailor, maybe.

00:03:03.720 Will they just switch to the Army and Air Force ranks

00:03:06.260 and have, you know, private corporal, master corporal, who knows.

00:03:09.780 But the whole point is that the priorities they're laying out,

00:03:13.080 an inclusive, diverse, gender-neutral, and safe workplace.

00:03:17.020 Now, there's nothing wrong with having a safe workplace, obviously.

00:03:20.500 I would argue that if you are in the military,

00:03:24.180 you're already throwing caution to the wind

00:03:26.300 with the idea that it's a safe workplace.

00:03:28.060 There are real threats,

00:03:29.640 and I don't think anyone will be like,

00:03:31.360 oh, you know what, we're on this submarine,

00:03:33.000 we survived the torpedo, that was fine.

00:03:35.160 But you know what really makes me feel unsafe?

00:03:37.480 That ordinary semen title that I have.

00:03:40.100 That's not gender-neutral, that's not inclusive,

00:03:42.380 that's not diverse.

00:03:43.260 I feel unsafe.

00:03:45.220 You know, I know a lot of people

00:03:46.620 who have served and do serve in the armed forces,

00:03:49.540 and they are among the most resilient,

00:03:52.260 let-things-roll-off-your-back type of people imaginable.

00:03:55.660 I don't think that any of them are leading this charge.

00:04:00.040 In fact, I think a lot of them are offended by it.

00:04:02.120 I've had a lot of veterans in particular,

00:04:04.320 and a couple of active-duty, not Navy people,

00:04:06.940 but active-duty military people,

00:04:08.560 that have responded to this story saying,

00:04:10.880 like, we didn't ask for this.

00:04:12.280 This is not something we want.

00:04:14.080 This is not something we sought.

00:04:15.820 We aren't interested in this.

00:04:17.500 But this is the problem with the cult of diversity

00:04:20.340 and the cult of wokeness,

00:04:21.760 is that it imposes it on people,

00:04:24.020 even those who aren't looking for it.

00:04:26.480 Because these types of things historically

00:04:28.420 can breed resentment against women in the Navy 1.00

00:04:31.600 because it makes them look like

00:04:33.740 they're the ones demanding it,

00:04:35.080 when a lot of women in the Navy, 1.00

00:04:37.360 I'm sure, are happy to be called ordinary seamen

00:04:39.420 or able seamen,

00:04:40.500 in the same way that chairman of the board,

00:04:42.500 I mean, it doesn't refer to a man

00:04:44.400 as an individual with an XY chromosome makeup.

00:04:48.560 It refers to person,

00:04:51.220 in the same way that you'd have mankind

00:04:52.740 before Trudeau went and made that people kind

00:04:55.120 or something.

00:04:55.920 So all of this stuff I find absolutely absurd.

00:04:58.960 And again, the women are not the ones pushing this. 1.00

00:05:01.880 It's always like the feminist men allies 0.74

00:05:05.600 that are pushing this.

00:05:07.040 You can never trust the feminist male allies, 1.00

00:05:09.580 I can tell you,

00:05:10.240 because the people that call themselves that,

00:05:12.100 the people that say,

00:05:12.780 oh, this is inclusive and diverse and all of that

00:05:14.920 are always the ones that will break your heart.

00:05:17.700 The thing is,

00:05:18.760 when, I think it was in 1999 or 2000,

00:05:22.460 no, it was 2001.

00:05:23.760 It was 2001.

00:05:24.600 And I'll tell you why I remember that in a moment.

00:05:26.660 There was a big push at CBC

00:05:29.360 and in the media in Canada in general

00:05:31.920 to change fishermen,

00:05:34.160 to fisher people,

00:05:35.540 to fishers,

00:05:36.320 to fisher persons.

00:05:37.220 I mean, they wanted to change fishermen

00:05:39.320 because it was, again, in 2001,

00:05:41.220 offensive and not inclusive

00:05:43.300 and not gender neutral and all of that.

00:05:45.820 And CBC ended up having its ombudsman

00:05:48.640 write a 2,000 word feature,

00:05:52.000 a 2,000 word essay

00:05:53.280 about the whole introspection

00:05:55.440 that CBC had done

00:05:56.720 to determine whether fishermen was offensive

00:05:59.760 and they could change it.

00:06:01.580 And the one thing that the Globe and Mail found,

00:06:04.440 which changed it

00:06:05.320 and then changed it back to fishermen,

00:06:07.160 was that the females 0.96

00:06:09.160 who worked in the fishing industry,

00:06:11.120 the fisher women,

00:06:12.420 actually loved being called fishermen

00:06:14.300 because that was what it was.

00:06:15.580 They didn't want this thing

00:06:17.120 that they had worked their lives to become

00:06:19.380 to be changed,

00:06:21.180 especially on their account

00:06:22.460 when they didn't want it.

00:06:23.980 So all of these cases

00:06:25.620 of extreme politically correct language changes

00:06:28.960 come back to just absurd things.

00:06:32.200 I mean, there was in,

00:06:33.580 I think it was Sacramento or San Francisco

00:06:35.400 back in the 90s,

00:06:36.340 they changed manhole to maintenance cover

00:06:38.700 for the same reason.

00:06:40.200 And I don't know if they ever changed that one back,

00:06:42.360 but it's ridiculous.

00:06:43.640 It's like when you start calling a plumber

00:06:45.600 a porcelain technician

00:06:46.780 just because you're trying to put a positive spin on it.

00:06:49.500 No, you have to call a spade a spade.

00:06:51.400 And the military is nothing

00:06:53.340 if not steeped in tradition.

00:06:56.020 So if you take the way that tradition,

00:06:58.160 because you say that tradition no longer applies

00:07:00.300 when you want to be,

00:07:01.560 here are the terms,

00:07:02.280 inclusive, diverse, gender neutral, and safe,

00:07:04.440 you're actually tremendously insulting

00:07:08.020 the people that wear that uniform,

00:07:10.760 the people that have gone to war,

00:07:12.160 the people that have served in peacetime

00:07:13.600 who didn't feel unsafe by a word,

00:07:16.800 unsafe by the word man,

00:07:19.100 which again, like chairman,

00:07:20.300 is not referring to a male,

00:07:22.280 it's referring to a person, mankind.

00:07:24.880 And this is something that you could say

00:07:27.080 is heteronormative and patriarchal

00:07:29.880 and all of these other things,

00:07:30.900 but no one who actually matters thinks that.

00:07:35.140 No one who matters thinks that.

00:07:36.800 Like the type of people that would care about this

00:07:39.960 are not the type of people

00:07:41.920 that are enlisting in the military.

00:07:44.280 That's one of the big problems.

00:07:45.440 And I would love to hear

00:07:46.500 whether this is actually something

00:07:48.380 that has been driven

00:07:49.320 by the defense minister's office,

00:07:51.700 by the Trudeau government,

00:07:52.760 or if this is just the bureaucracy

00:07:54.180 of the Department of National Defense

00:07:56.440 trying to figure out what to do.

00:07:57.860 I would absolutely love to see that

00:08:00.180 because I don't think that anyone in uniform,

00:08:03.240 and I could be wrong,

00:08:04.660 I don't think that anyone in uniform

00:08:06.040 actually cared enough about this

00:08:07.860 that they wanted to make this their priority.

00:08:10.260 This is just not the type of thing

00:08:11.980 that soldiers, sailors, and airmen,

00:08:14.920 air people, that air people care about.

00:08:17.700 But this is why the whole

00:08:19.180 political correctness frontier

00:08:20.360 is such an important one.

00:08:22.160 There was a story out of the UK

00:08:23.760 that I read of in the Telegraph

00:08:25.860 where Sheffield University

00:08:27.780 has had a free speech society

00:08:31.080 that wanted to set up shop there.

00:08:33.900 This society has been told

00:08:35.440 it is a, quote, red risk,

00:08:38.040 and it needs to have

00:08:39.620 all its external speakers

00:08:41.620 vetted and approved.

00:08:43.180 So the free speech society,

00:08:44.920 if it wants to bring in a speaker,

00:08:46.840 they have to submit an application

00:08:48.420 to the student union

00:08:49.560 three weeks in advance,

00:08:51.520 and full and final approval

00:08:53.700 from the school is required

00:08:55.280 if they want that speaker

00:08:57.040 to be invited.

00:08:58.780 So the irony is that

00:09:00.560 Ewan Somerville,

00:09:01.680 who was the politics student

00:09:03.100 that founded this,

00:09:04.000 said he thought that

00:09:05.060 the free speech society

00:09:06.040 was important because

00:09:07.120 there was, in his view,

00:09:08.520 creeping censorship on campus.

00:09:10.780 And how does the school

00:09:12.060 respond to this?

00:09:12.760 By saying, nope,

00:09:13.860 we get all final approval

00:09:16.280 of any speaker

00:09:17.440 you want to bring in.

00:09:18.220 So if they want to bring in

00:09:19.640 Katie Hopkins or Tommy Robinson

00:09:21.900 or Nigel Farage

00:09:23.260 or anyone British or non-British

00:09:25.420 to speak about free speech,

00:09:27.060 the school,

00:09:28.020 the Politburo of the Academic Institution

00:09:30.960 of Sheffield University,

00:09:33.060 and you can't spell Sheffield University

00:09:35.500 without a big chef you,

00:09:37.500 so chef you,

00:09:38.580 as we're going to call it,

00:09:40.220 now gets final approval

00:09:41.680 over any speaker.

00:09:42.700 So it's very interesting

00:09:44.740 because clearly the school

00:09:45.980 is saying by doing this

00:09:48.100 that there's no real

00:09:48.840 free speech issue

00:09:49.700 and we're going to darn well

00:09:51.300 prove it by ensuring

00:09:52.400 that you don't have

00:09:53.100 any pro-free speech speakers

00:09:54.600 come without our approval.

00:09:56.980 And you're supposed to feel grateful

00:09:58.600 if they grant approval.

00:09:59.940 I mean, that's the problem

00:10:00.880 of these ideological gatekeepers

00:10:03.080 is that they make you

00:10:04.000 basically live your life

00:10:05.680 at their mercy

00:10:06.540 because you can't do anything

00:10:08.320 unless they bestow it upon you.

00:10:11.000 And speech is not a privilege.

00:10:14.040 Free speech is not a privilege.

00:10:15.560 Speech is absolutely a right.

00:10:17.000 So the second that you have

00:10:18.560 to go through some

00:10:19.740 needling, meddling,

00:10:21.880 useless bureaucrat

00:10:23.420 for free speech,

00:10:24.640 it is no longer free speech.

00:10:26.620 It's not free speech,

00:10:27.900 but it's not free speech

00:10:29.240 with an asterisk.

00:10:30.120 It's not free speech

00:10:30.980 with a caveat.

00:10:31.860 It's either free speech

00:10:33.080 or it's not free speech.

00:10:34.480 And these limitations

00:10:35.860 make it fundamentally unfree.

00:10:38.820 This is not a reasonable limit

00:10:40.500 on free speech.

00:10:41.260 And you may say,

00:10:42.000 if you're not British,

00:10:42.740 why am I talking about this?

00:10:43.860 Well, Britain is always

00:10:45.620 five to ten years ahead.

00:10:47.200 Europe is five to ten years ahead

00:10:48.860 of North America.

00:10:50.340 Now, Ezra Levant thinks that,

00:10:52.200 you know,

00:10:52.780 it's five years ahead of Canada,

00:10:54.140 ten years ahead of the US.

00:10:55.640 I think that those might be

00:10:57.140 very wide,

00:10:58.100 very extended examples,

00:11:00.860 a bit of an overstatement perhaps,

00:11:02.740 because I don't think

00:11:04.220 that we have,

00:11:05.640 as a general rule,

00:11:07.760 much of a difference

00:11:08.720 between what's happening

00:11:09.680 on academic institutions

00:11:10.960 in North America

00:11:11.940 versus what's happening here.

00:11:14.500 I mean,

00:11:14.820 at least they're giving you

00:11:15.780 the illusion

00:11:16.340 that your speaker might be approved

00:11:17.840 at some institutions.

00:11:19.180 They're just saying,

00:11:19.920 no, you can't have

00:11:20.700 a controversial speaker.

00:11:21.840 You have to spend,

00:11:22.920 you know,

00:11:23.180 $40,000 in security costs

00:11:25.320 or you need to have it off-site

00:11:26.620 or you need to do

00:11:27.420 all of these other things.

00:11:29.380 And look,

00:11:30.380 you are going to see

00:11:31.760 a boiling point

00:11:33.220 and more of those boiling points

00:11:35.540 if this type of stuff keeps up,

00:11:37.500 because no one can have

00:11:39.020 any legitimacy

00:11:39.780 as an academic institution

00:11:41.620 if they are insisting

00:11:43.760 that they have to have

00:11:44.640 a bottleneck on speakers.

00:11:47.800 I mean,

00:11:48.100 what's an institution

00:11:49.500 like this supposed to be about?

00:11:51.280 Learning, education.

00:11:52.780 Part of that involves

00:11:53.580 hearing perspectives

00:11:54.400 and as the cliche goes,

00:11:56.140 sometimes perspectives

00:11:57.260 that are different

00:11:58.420 from your own.

00:12:00.480 And if you are not prepared

00:12:01.980 to do that,

00:12:02.780 doesn't matter how you couch it.

00:12:04.500 It doesn't matter

00:12:04.900 whether you say,

00:12:05.540 oh, but it's about anti-racism.

00:12:06.900 Oh, it's about this.

00:12:07.700 It's about diversity.

00:12:09.020 Inclusion,

00:12:09.700 wokeness,

00:12:10.200 all of this stuff.

00:12:10.900 If you think

00:12:11.860 that your right

00:12:13.240 to not be offended

00:12:14.300 trumps someone's right

00:12:15.380 to free speech,

00:12:15.940 you do not believe

00:12:16.700 in free speech.

00:12:18.140 And you know what?

00:12:18.880 It used to be

00:12:19.600 that a lot of these people

00:12:20.860 would say,

00:12:22.040 oh, no, no, no,

00:12:22.440 I do support free speech,

00:12:24.080 but now they're not

00:12:25.960 even saying that.

00:12:27.240 Now these people are saying,

00:12:28.840 well, free speech

00:12:29.820 is a right-wing concept.

00:12:31.320 Free speech is the patriarchy.

00:12:32.900 Free speech is racist.

00:12:34.300 I mean,

00:12:34.480 these are actual things

00:12:35.920 that people are saying.

00:12:36.600 This is not an exaggeration.

00:12:37.780 People are actually

00:12:39.260 making that point

00:12:40.160 and it's coming

00:12:40.760 from the academy.

00:12:42.120 It's coming from people 0.61

00:12:43.300 on campuses

00:12:44.000 who are saying that,

00:12:45.340 oh, well,

00:12:45.520 free speech is just

00:12:46.320 this antiquated concept

00:12:47.580 that doesn't respect

00:12:48.940 marginalized views

00:12:50.120 and it just furthers

00:12:51.000 the marginalization

00:12:52.120 and all of that.

00:12:53.360 And it's very difficult

00:12:54.900 to defend free speech

00:12:56.240 when you can't even

00:12:57.620 find a common premise

00:12:59.600 in that free speech

00:13:00.980 is a good thing,

00:13:01.800 which is why it's so important

00:13:03.400 to push back against this.

00:13:04.520 So good on these students

00:13:05.460 for having a free speech society

00:13:07.260 because you need

00:13:08.060 to have an advocacy group

00:13:09.420 on campuses clearly

00:13:11.080 to promote free speech.

00:13:12.820 And I would love

00:13:13.360 to see more of these.

00:13:14.620 And if you do it

00:13:15.300 and you're a student,

00:13:16.460 tell me and we'll talk

00:13:17.720 about what you're doing.

00:13:18.740 And if you get any pushback

00:13:19.820 from the school,

00:13:20.460 I will come there myself

00:13:21.540 and speak with

00:13:22.620 or without approval.

00:13:23.620 We've got to take a break.

00:13:24.660 When we come back,

00:13:25.360 more of the Andrew Lawton Show

00:13:26.640 here on True North.

00:13:29.100 You're tuned in

00:13:30.140 to the Andrew Lawton Show.

00:13:32.960 Welcome back.

00:13:33.680 If you have been following

00:13:34.660 for the last week,

00:13:35.520 you know we're tracking

00:13:36.220 the amount of episodes

00:13:37.160 we can go through

00:13:37.940 without me contracting

00:13:38.860 the coronavirus.

00:13:40.160 And once again,

00:13:41.140 no coronavirus.

00:13:42.320 So thanks very much

00:13:43.200 for all of you

00:13:43.960 who have been wishing well on me

00:13:45.120 and to the three people

00:13:46.240 that wished I got it.

00:13:47.140 Well, maybe better luck next week.

00:13:48.840 In any case,

00:13:49.780 the coronavirus update

00:13:51.120 this week is a bit

00:13:52.020 of an interesting one

00:13:52.920 because when I spoke about it

00:13:54.400 on last week's show

00:13:55.460 or one of last week's shows,

00:13:57.120 I had a lot of,

00:13:58.100 I don't want to say

00:13:58.800 a lot of backlash.

00:14:00.280 I had some backlash

00:14:01.300 from people who insist

00:14:02.520 that by talking about it,

00:14:04.400 I'm buying into

00:14:05.420 the mainstream media hysteria.

00:14:07.060 So there seems to be

00:14:07.880 two camps here.

00:14:09.020 There are the people

00:14:09.700 that are buying

00:14:10.500 three industrial tons worth

00:14:12.980 of toilet paper

00:14:13.780 and Purell from Costco

00:14:15.600 because they think

00:14:16.940 they're going to die.

00:14:17.640 The people that are wearing

00:14:18.260 gas masks around.

00:14:19.560 And then there are the people

00:14:20.340 that think it's all

00:14:20.980 like a deep state conspiracy.

00:14:23.280 And it's funny,

00:14:24.120 I actually went to my,

00:14:25.460 I went to get a haircut.

00:14:27.660 When was it?

00:14:28.340 On Saturday or Friday

00:14:29.680 of last week.

00:14:30.860 And my,

00:14:32.140 I don't know if she's

00:14:32.720 a hairdresser or a barber.

00:14:34.280 I mean,

00:14:34.500 it seems weird to say

00:14:36.440 I went to a hairdresser

00:14:37.160 because my hair

00:14:37.680 is not particularly dressed,

00:14:38.960 but whatever she is,

00:14:40.320 lovely woman, 0.54

00:14:41.540 a bit of a conspiracy theorist though.

00:14:43.200 So she was saying

00:14:44.020 that she thinks

00:14:44.680 the coronavirus

00:14:45.260 is an American invention.

00:14:47.780 And I'm like,

00:14:48.260 oh, like you think

00:14:48.760 it's fake news?

00:14:49.420 And she thinks,

00:14:49.980 no, like the Americans 0.69

00:14:51.520 she thinks made

00:14:52.600 the coronavirus.

00:14:54.020 But she also loves

00:14:55.460 Donald Trump,

00:14:56.480 which I found odd

00:14:57.340 because then I was thinking,

00:14:58.280 well, wait,

00:14:58.600 like it's one thing

00:14:59.520 to love Trump

00:15:01.140 and think that the coronavirus

00:15:02.260 is no big deal.

00:15:03.760 It's another thing

00:15:04.500 to think the U.S.

00:15:05.720 made it and hate the U.S.

00:15:07.320 She loves the U.S.

00:15:08.540 and thinks the U.S. did it,

00:15:09.960 which makes me

00:15:10.520 a little bit curious.

00:15:11.240 Like is she pro-coronavirus

00:15:13.220 in any case?

00:15:14.180 So I'm in between here

00:15:15.660 and I think I said this last week.

00:15:16.980 I'm not panicking.

00:15:18.380 I'm washing my hands

00:15:19.720 probably a bit more

00:15:20.960 than I normally do,

00:15:22.340 but I should be washing them

00:15:23.680 that often anyway.

00:15:24.880 So I'll try to keep that up.

00:15:26.840 And I also live a life

00:15:28.660 that is not insular,

00:15:30.100 but I'm not in crowds.

00:15:31.760 I don't take public transit

00:15:33.320 generally with the exception

00:15:34.780 of when I'm traveling,

00:15:35.780 which I mean,

00:15:36.840 if I'm going to get it,

00:15:38.240 it's going to be on an airplane

00:15:39.180 or at an airport.

00:15:40.180 But I do think it's interesting

00:15:41.820 how other people

00:15:42.800 are choosing to navigate this.

00:15:44.620 My personal favorite,

00:15:45.940 a letter to the advice

00:15:47.040 columnist in Slate.

00:15:48.560 Should I pause my open marriage

00:15:50.500 because of the coronavirus?

00:15:52.580 The rationale being

00:15:53.660 that the letter writer's mother

00:15:55.440 is immunocompromised.

00:15:57.380 Is it unreasonable

00:15:58.080 to ask my husband

00:15:59.240 not to swap fluids

00:16:00.260 with his girlfriend

00:16:00.880 until the coronavirus blows over?

00:16:03.020 Well, at the risk

00:16:03.680 of sounding overly judgmental,

00:16:05.200 which I'm entirely okay

00:16:06.400 with doing right now,

00:16:07.700 you should probably be

00:16:09.020 pausing your open marriage

00:16:10.020 for reasons that have nothing

00:16:11.140 to do with the coronavirus at all.

00:16:13.340 So problem solved.

00:16:14.360 You can move on there.

00:16:15.980 Another one in a club

00:16:18.080 in Los Angeles

00:16:19.260 in New York City called,

00:16:20.560 it's really weird,

00:16:21.320 it's spelt S-N-C-T-M.

00:16:24.560 So I'm assuming

00:16:24.980 it's called Sanctum,

00:16:26.060 but it would be like

00:16:27.020 Snook-tum, Snook-tum. 0.98

00:16:29.300 Sanctum, I guess,

00:16:30.080 is what it is,

00:16:30.580 but I'd like to buy a vowel.

00:16:32.100 They are apparently

00:16:33.260 not canceling

00:16:34.200 their planned orgies,

00:16:35.760 or as the New York Post

00:16:37.160 page six says,

00:16:38.500 they are thrusting onwards

00:16:40.020 in the face of coronavirus,

00:16:42.900 despite the fact

00:16:43.940 that concerts

00:16:44.660 are being canceled,

00:16:45.720 Austin's South by Southwest

00:16:46.960 is being canceled,

00:16:48.140 lots of things

00:16:48.700 are being canceled,

00:16:49.380 including a British marmalade

00:16:50.980 festival, by the way,

00:16:52.000 and like for the Brits

00:16:53.000 to cancel a marmalade festival

00:16:54.500 is like the Olympics

00:16:56.460 being canceled

00:16:57.240 to other people.

00:16:58.980 Sanctum has an orgy

00:17:00.480 coming up in Los Angeles,

00:17:01.840 another one in Manhattan,

00:17:02.620 and they're saying

00:17:03.320 they're still going ahead,

00:17:04.800 but they are going to allow

00:17:06.760 hand sanitizer

00:17:08.420 and extra soap

00:17:09.260 to be distributed.

00:17:10.300 I feel it's not the hands

00:17:11.640 that are going to be the issue

00:17:12.680 at a mass LA

00:17:14.360 or Manhattan sex party.

00:17:15.880 I've never been to one,

00:17:16.880 but again,

00:17:17.140 I feel the hands

00:17:17.940 are not the primary vehicle

00:17:19.900 of concern there.

00:17:21.100 And another coronavirus story

00:17:22.660 that's kind of fun.

00:17:23.740 This is, I think,

00:17:25.180 a great example

00:17:26.080 of American litigiousness

00:17:27.600 at its absolute finest.

00:17:29.740 A couple aboard

00:17:30.800 the Grand Princess Cruise ship

00:17:32.580 is suing Princess Cruise Lines

00:17:34.560 for $1 million.

00:17:35.960 They're not even off the ship yet.

00:17:37.820 It's a Florida couple,

00:17:38.920 of course,

00:17:39.560 and what better way

00:17:40.280 to pass the time

00:17:41.120 than by filing a lawsuit?

00:17:42.540 Ronald and Eva Weisberger

00:17:43.780 of Broward County

00:17:45.000 seeking a million dollars

00:17:46.600 in damages.

00:17:47.820 Two of the 3,500 passengers

00:17:50.140 and crew members aboard,

00:17:51.960 which means they should have

00:17:52.920 just gone and canvassed

00:17:53.960 to do like a class action

00:17:55.300 or something.

00:17:55.840 I mean, you've got the time,

00:17:56.880 but I guess the whole point

00:17:57.940 is they don't want to see people,

00:17:59.040 so maybe that's the best way

00:18:00.840 to do it after all.

00:18:02.160 So interestingly enough,

00:18:03.440 I had a column on the weekend

00:18:05.100 at tnc.news

00:18:06.620 about the Iranian problem here

00:18:09.320 because next to China

00:18:10.880 and South Korea,

00:18:11.920 Iran has more confirmed deaths

00:18:15.540 than any other country

00:18:17.780 due to coronavirus.

00:18:19.820 And unlike China, 0.99

00:18:21.720 Iran actually has

00:18:23.080 a very rapid growth rate.

00:18:24.600 In China, 0.94

00:18:25.160 the country says

00:18:26.120 things are leveling off a bit

00:18:27.560 and the official numbers

00:18:29.420 seem to reflect that.

00:18:30.900 But with the case of Iran, 0.91

00:18:32.980 there is very conflicting

00:18:34.280 information about it,

00:18:35.780 whereas the government

00:18:36.600 is saying there's

00:18:37.920 one set of casualties

00:18:39.220 that's less than 200 right now.

00:18:41.700 And other groups

00:18:42.880 like the Mujahideen-i-Kalq,

00:18:44.920 which is an Iranian

00:18:45.700 resistance group,

00:18:47.160 they say from their sources

00:18:48.660 on the ground,

00:18:49.420 in the government,

00:18:50.180 in hospitals,

00:18:50.760 that the number

00:18:51.820 is well over 2,000,

00:18:53.520 I think up to like 2,600

00:18:54.880 and rapidly rising.

00:18:57.800 And even if you don't

00:18:58.720 accept MEK's numbers,

00:19:01.180 the BBC Persia

00:19:02.600 had at one point

00:19:04.140 received reports

00:19:05.520 from healthcare facilities

00:19:07.040 that the numbers

00:19:07.940 were about six times

00:19:09.820 what the government

00:19:10.500 had acknowledged.

00:19:11.280 And that was a couple

00:19:11.920 of weeks ago

00:19:12.520 that BBC Persia 0.97

00:19:13.560 had reported that.

00:19:15.420 So the Iranian regime,

00:19:16.980 which is just pretending

00:19:18.060 that everything's fine,

00:19:19.200 pretending it's got

00:19:19.960 things under control,

00:19:21.440 is seeing cases

00:19:22.580 in all provinces of Iran.

00:19:24.860 The Iranian regime 0.51

00:19:26.200 is arresting people

00:19:28.220 for talking about it.

00:19:29.400 There's one area,

00:19:30.740 I forget the name

00:19:31.560 of the city,

00:19:32.080 where the state

00:19:32.880 has actually barred people

00:19:34.360 from talking about numbers,

00:19:36.200 from talking about stats,

00:19:37.440 including officials.

00:19:38.960 You've got MPs

00:19:40.220 that have contracted it.

00:19:41.300 You've got other MPs

00:19:42.400 that are saying

00:19:42.980 the government's lying

00:19:44.160 about this.

00:19:45.340 You had one guy

00:19:46.380 who was arrested

00:19:47.120 for filming the body pile up

00:19:49.380 in the morgue

00:19:50.280 to say,

00:19:51.160 well, hang on,

00:19:51.680 these morgues

00:19:52.420 and the numbers here

00:19:53.280 aren't matching the numbers

00:19:54.660 the government's giving.

00:19:56.000 And the one point

00:19:57.220 that I maintain,

00:19:58.000 even if you think

00:19:58.660 that the coronavirus

00:19:59.280 is overblown

00:20:00.340 or COVID-19

00:20:01.240 is overblown,

00:20:02.380 is that a lot

00:20:03.600 of what we know

00:20:04.540 about it,

00:20:05.520 has to accept

00:20:06.960 at face value

00:20:08.320 numbers from countries

00:20:09.920 that are not

00:20:11.140 respectable truth-tellers,

00:20:14.960 China and Iran 0.78

00:20:15.840 being chief among them.

00:20:17.620 So I don't trust

00:20:18.680 China's numbers,

00:20:19.480 I don't trust

00:20:19.940 China's death rate,

00:20:20.740 I don't trust Iran's numbers, 1.00

00:20:22.100 and I don't trust

00:20:22.700 Iran's death rate.

00:20:23.920 So if you have those

00:20:25.340 among the highest

00:20:26.820 of the high

00:20:27.680 in the official tallies even,

00:20:29.780 you have to assume

00:20:30.580 that the unofficial tallies

00:20:31.720 are going to be much higher

00:20:32.660 and a lot of the Western

00:20:34.320 response is based

00:20:35.460 on those official numbers.

00:20:37.340 So that's the issue

00:20:38.460 and that's the variable

00:20:39.400 and you can be skeptical

00:20:40.700 about that

00:20:42.340 without being

00:20:43.200 in a full-blown panic

00:20:44.560 and that was

00:20:45.100 where I was kind of annoyed

00:20:46.400 with a lot of the people

00:20:47.680 that I had responding

00:20:48.600 to my column

00:20:49.300 saying that,

00:20:50.320 well, I mean,

00:20:51.660 you're just taking

00:20:52.460 the mainstream media

00:20:53.300 panic position now.

00:20:54.540 No, I'm saying

00:20:55.580 that we can't trust

00:20:56.840 what these dictatorships

00:20:59.080 are telling us

00:21:00.060 because their goal

00:21:01.460 is regime survival.

00:21:03.060 I mean, the goal

00:21:03.620 of the Iranian regime

00:21:04.740 is to ensure

00:21:06.020 its own survival,

00:21:07.420 which means that

00:21:08.020 it needs to do

00:21:09.540 what it can

00:21:10.220 to pretend

00:21:10.960 that it has things

00:21:12.000 under control.

00:21:13.200 So I would absolutely

00:21:14.880 adore,

00:21:16.800 adore nothing more

00:21:18.360 than to move past

00:21:19.420 coronavirus,

00:21:20.220 have no more cases,

00:21:21.240 have it just level off

00:21:23.020 and have no concerns.

00:21:24.920 Right now,

00:21:25.600 that's not happening

00:21:26.360 and when people

00:21:27.320 are dying from it,

00:21:28.540 you can't say

00:21:29.200 that it's a media panic.

00:21:30.800 You could say

00:21:31.400 that there's some

00:21:31.980 hysteria around it.

00:21:33.140 I saw a video

00:21:33.740 the other day

00:21:34.280 of people literally

00:21:35.040 racing through Costco,

00:21:37.440 which I thought

00:21:38.200 was a bit excessive

00:21:38.980 because I try to avoid

00:21:39.940 Costco in general,

00:21:41.220 which, by the way,

00:21:42.440 has done away

00:21:43.700 with free samples,

00:21:44.700 which was like

00:21:45.800 the only reason

00:21:46.480 I ever went to Costco.

00:21:47.820 I didn't actually care

00:21:48.640 about buying,

00:21:49.480 you know,

00:21:50.300 37,000 rolls

00:21:51.560 of toilet paper.

00:21:52.300 I just wanted

00:21:53.040 to have like a,

00:21:54.520 you know,

00:21:54.820 stone cold bite

00:21:56.080 of a taquito

00:21:56.680 or something.

00:21:57.280 So, in any case,

00:21:58.940 I would love to see us

00:22:00.240 move beyond this,

00:22:01.420 but no,

00:22:01.860 you can't say

00:22:02.680 that nothing is happening.

00:22:04.700 You can't say

00:22:05.360 that nothing is happening.

00:22:06.320 You can say

00:22:06.720 that you think

00:22:07.060 it's overblown,

00:22:08.040 you can say

00:22:08.500 that you think

00:22:08.820 it's overhyped,

00:22:09.400 but you can't say

00:22:09.980 that nothing's happening

00:22:10.860 and you also can't say

00:22:12.660 that we should be

00:22:13.940 accepting at face value

00:22:15.400 what China and Iran

00:22:16.580 are saying

00:22:17.360 about coronavirus

00:22:18.520 because these countries

00:22:19.560 have proven themselves

00:22:20.340 to be liars in the past

00:22:21.560 and they fundamentally

00:22:22.960 do not value

00:22:24.300 human life,

00:22:25.460 which means that

00:22:26.380 when something like this

00:22:27.260 comes up

00:22:27.760 that does threaten

00:22:28.880 human life,

00:22:29.940 you can't trust

00:22:31.760 what they're doing

00:22:32.600 because they care more

00:22:33.520 about their own PR

00:22:34.400 than they do about

00:22:35.840 the health and well-being

00:22:37.060 and the Iranian death rate

00:22:38.360 seems to be significantly higher

00:22:39.880 than it is even

00:22:40.960 in other countries,

00:22:41.720 which again brings us

00:22:42.700 to the question

00:22:43.300 of what the heck

00:22:44.260 is going on there.

00:22:45.440 So, if you want

00:22:46.460 to read the column,

00:22:47.320 I articulated

00:22:48.360 where I'm approaching

00:22:49.520 this from.

00:22:50.080 It's called

00:22:50.560 Iran's coronavirus lies 1.00

00:22:52.640 are putting Iranians 1.00

00:22:53.560 and Canadians at risk

00:22:54.880 and the reason I say

00:22:55.920 the bit about Canadians

00:22:56.820 is because most

00:22:57.780 of the recent cases

00:22:58.860 in Canada

00:22:59.480 are from Iranians,

00:23:01.300 people that have come

00:23:02.000 from Iran to Canada,

00:23:03.560 thus proving

00:23:04.300 that perhaps

00:23:05.000 we should have been

00:23:05.700 putting some travel

00:23:06.700 restrictions in place,

00:23:07.960 which virtually

00:23:09.060 every country

00:23:09.960 around the world

00:23:10.640 is doing,

00:23:11.520 but Canada says,

00:23:12.380 oh, a virus knows

00:23:13.060 no borders.

00:23:13.660 That's not going

00:23:14.200 to do anything.

00:23:14.800 Well, when we have

00:23:17.300 the vast majority

00:23:18.440 of our cases

00:23:19.060 being imported

00:23:19.960 rather than local

00:23:20.820 transmission,

00:23:21.400 it would seem

00:23:22.240 travel restrictions

00:23:23.060 are entirely

00:23:24.160 appropriate

00:23:25.220 at this point.

00:23:26.580 We've got to take a break

00:23:27.560 when we come back

00:23:28.220 more of The Andrew Lawton Show

00:23:29.540 here on True North.

00:23:31.600 You're tuned in

00:23:32.740 to The Andrew Lawton Show.

00:23:39.000 Welcome back

00:23:39.840 to The Andrew Lawton Show.

00:23:41.560 You know,

00:23:41.960 the Canadian healthcare system

00:23:43.400 is for a lot of Canadians,

00:23:45.200 I think,

00:23:45.680 a big blind spot

00:23:46.740 and I don't want to say

00:23:47.820 that our healthcare system

00:23:48.780 is akin to that

00:23:49.660 of a third world country.

00:23:51.140 We have world-class

00:23:52.200 healthcare in Canada.

00:23:53.600 I say this as someone

00:23:54.400 who lives in a city

00:23:55.260 that has an incredible

00:23:56.300 teaching hospital

00:23:57.320 and university healthcare,

00:23:59.080 but the thing is

00:24:00.080 the care itself

00:24:02.260 is good.

00:24:03.740 The access to it

00:24:05.000 a lot of the times

00:24:06.040 is very inadequate

00:24:07.220 and there's a reason

00:24:08.060 that you have

00:24:08.500 so many Canadians

00:24:09.300 that choose to go

00:24:10.520 and seek healthcare abroad,

00:24:12.600 specifically in the United States,

00:24:14.220 especially Canadians

00:24:15.120 in border communities,

00:24:16.380 but even Canadians

00:24:17.420 that live far away

00:24:18.260 from the border

00:24:18.820 that have to get on a plane

00:24:19.960 and go to the U.S.

00:24:21.740 Now,

00:24:22.040 if you think navigating

00:24:22.920 your own country's

00:24:23.900 healthcare system

00:24:24.600 can be difficult,

00:24:25.420 imagine those navigating

00:24:27.020 the healthcare system

00:24:27.900 of another country

00:24:29.000 and where there's a will,

00:24:30.620 there's a way.

00:24:31.200 There's actually a company

00:24:32.360 based in Halifax

00:24:33.860 specializing in connecting Canadians

00:24:36.320 to American healthcare

00:24:38.300 and I learned of this

00:24:39.700 in an interview done

00:24:40.560 by my good friend

00:24:41.320 Chris Sims last week

00:24:42.580 and I wanted to speak

00:24:43.380 with one of the co-founders

00:24:44.980 of this organization,

00:24:46.620 HealthVantis, directly.

00:24:48.720 One of the co-founders,

00:24:49.840 Christy Yvonne,

00:24:50.960 joins me on the line now.

00:24:52.260 Christy, it is great to talk to you.

00:24:53.860 Thanks very much for your time.

00:24:55.060 Yes, same here, Andrew.

00:24:56.120 Thank you.

00:24:56.740 Thank you for having us.

00:24:58.460 Now, I just mentioned

00:24:59.660 at the beginning of the show

00:25:00.780 that one of the challenges

00:25:02.220 with healthcare in Canada

00:25:03.480 is that it's great

00:25:05.080 until it isn't

00:25:06.120 and there are lots of people

00:25:07.260 that have no issues

00:25:08.000 navigating the system.

00:25:09.180 They have great care.

00:25:10.040 They can access it

00:25:10.960 but there are a lot of people,

00:25:12.660 I know several of them

00:25:13.900 and I myself have had

00:25:15.020 serious wait list issues before

00:25:17.080 that are not able

00:25:18.440 to navigate the system.

00:25:19.560 They're not able

00:25:20.100 to get access to care.

00:25:21.220 So when I heard

00:25:21.880 that this was really

00:25:23.460 a part of what created

00:25:25.460 HealthVantis,

00:25:26.180 I was very intrigued

00:25:27.120 and I know there's

00:25:29.040 a story behind this.

00:25:30.320 So tell me how this came about.

00:25:32.940 Yeah, so Leanna and I

00:25:35.380 are friends

00:25:36.740 and we both had experienced delays

00:25:42.060 in the healthcare system

00:25:43.800 and were met with challenges

00:25:45.960 and we continued to kind of talk

00:25:49.040 about this whole process

00:25:50.380 and for me,

00:25:52.320 the first experience I had with it

00:25:54.700 was when my son was an infant.

00:25:57.440 He was around six months old

00:25:59.600 and he all of a sudden

00:26:02.420 stopped wanting to eat

00:26:04.060 and was dropping weight

00:26:06.200 and at the time

00:26:09.700 I was new to Nova Scotia

00:26:11.380 and had not established

00:26:12.920 a family doctor

00:26:14.140 and was unable to get one.

00:26:17.180 Nobody was taking new patients

00:26:18.700 at the time

00:26:19.540 and so my only option

00:26:21.760 was to go to a walk-in clinic

00:26:23.220 and I wasn't really getting

00:26:25.480 any help there

00:26:26.840 and eventually

00:26:28.880 after a breakdown

00:26:30.500 with one of my other friends

00:26:33.260 she ended up asking

00:26:35.640 her family doctor

00:26:37.100 that she had been going to

00:26:38.260 since she was a child

00:26:39.580 if she could take

00:26:42.020 my family on

00:26:44.500 and she agreed to.

00:26:46.060 So I was finally able

00:26:46.760 to get a family physician

00:26:48.300 and a referral out

00:26:51.240 to a pediatrician

00:26:52.480 which took quite some time

00:26:54.760 and by this time

00:26:57.800 he had dropped enough weight

00:27:01.220 that he was considered

00:27:02.060 failure to thrive

00:27:02.860 and he was actually

00:27:04.920 a normal healthy baby.

00:27:06.480 He was in the 50th percentile

00:27:08.300 and by this time

00:27:10.120 he had dropped off

00:27:11.740 the growth chart

00:27:12.440 and usually when you have

00:27:13.480 a drop of even like 10%

00:27:15.800 when you're an infant

00:27:18.000 or even a child

00:27:19.600 that's significant

00:27:20.480 and so here he had dropped

00:27:23.500 over 50%

00:27:25.040 and was not able

00:27:27.460 to get him to eat anything

00:27:29.060 and I just could not

00:27:30.680 figure out why.

00:27:33.100 I didn't get very much help

00:27:35.320 or direction

00:27:36.980 when I was at

00:27:38.080 this particular

00:27:38.720 pediatrician's office.

00:27:40.940 I had requested

00:27:41.840 to see another one

00:27:44.060 and after about

00:27:45.740 six months of this

00:27:46.860 I decided to take him

00:27:49.260 to the U.S.

00:27:50.820 and have him evaluated

00:27:51.740 and so I flew to

00:27:53.760 Charlotte, North Carolina

00:27:55.220 to a pediatrician

00:27:56.340 I had seen before.

00:27:59.220 I was from Charlotte,

00:28:01.800 Scotia prior to that

00:28:05.320 and so I went

00:28:06.480 and she had me

00:28:09.180 into a pediatric GI doctor

00:28:11.620 the next day

00:28:12.480 and this doctor

00:28:14.980 had diagnosed him

00:28:16.200 pretty much

00:28:16.860 right on the spot

00:28:17.780 she felt like

00:28:18.800 he had reflux

00:28:19.660 which is a

00:28:21.220 you know

00:28:21.520 very treatable

00:28:23.280 very common

00:28:24.400 disorder in babies

00:28:26.080 you know

00:28:27.240 the difference is

00:28:27.980 that you know

00:28:28.560 a lot of times

00:28:29.440 the infants

00:28:30.760 will have

00:28:31.160 like a projectile

00:28:32.120 type of

00:28:33.680 you know

00:28:34.940 reflux

00:28:36.340 so you can

00:28:37.120 physically see it

00:28:38.260 but in my son's case

00:28:40.320 his was more internal

00:28:41.620 and so he was

00:28:42.780 associating the food

00:28:44.140 you know

00:28:44.500 with that burning

00:28:45.140 sensation

00:28:45.800 which is why

00:28:46.520 he wouldn't eat

00:28:47.600 and so they

00:28:48.980 put us on

00:28:50.020 a medication

00:28:52.340 for him

00:28:53.280 and within a couple

00:28:54.500 weeks time

00:28:55.180 he started eating

00:28:56.040 you know

00:28:58.400 and so that was

00:28:59.100 kind of my first

00:29:00.400 you know

00:29:01.620 bout with

00:29:02.480 dealing with

00:29:03.440 you know

00:29:03.760 delays

00:29:04.200 and not really

00:29:05.520 being able to get

00:29:06.720 the treatment

00:29:08.220 you know

00:29:08.980 that I was

00:29:09.640 hoping for

00:29:10.500 especially for my

00:29:11.840 child

00:29:12.200 I also

00:29:13.120 you know

00:29:13.720 personally

00:29:14.320 continued to have

00:29:15.460 some other issues

00:29:17.320 with delays

00:29:18.080 and trying to get

00:29:19.480 some tests

00:29:20.440 for myself

00:29:21.160 that took 10

00:29:22.580 months

00:29:23.000 and you know

00:29:24.660 and Leanna and I

00:29:25.840 would discuss this

00:29:27.700 all of the time

00:29:28.560 you know

00:29:28.780 the frustration

00:29:29.400 and we're like

00:29:30.680 you know

00:29:30.900 what do people do

00:29:31.960 when they're put

00:29:32.860 in a position

00:29:33.360 like that

00:29:34.060 you know

00:29:34.660 where do you go

00:29:35.660 and you know

00:29:36.680 who can you

00:29:37.560 talk to about this

00:29:38.980 and you know

00:29:40.400 and we started

00:29:41.180 looking into it

00:29:42.540 and realized

00:29:43.720 that there were

00:29:44.260 a lot of Canadians

00:29:45.240 that did travel

00:29:47.940 outside of Canada

00:29:49.940 to have care

00:29:51.300 simply because

00:29:52.420 you know

00:29:53.700 they were experiencing

00:29:54.900 similar experiences

00:29:56.700 that we had

00:29:57.380 you know

00:29:57.900 the delays

00:29:59.040 or you know

00:30:01.140 the fact that

00:30:01.660 they couldn't

00:30:02.460 get a particular

00:30:03.860 type of treatment

00:30:05.320 we kind of

00:30:06.620 discussed it

00:30:07.440 like you know

00:30:08.200 gosh you know

00:30:08.900 we know a lot

00:30:09.500 about how

00:30:10.180 the U.S.

00:30:11.080 health care system

00:30:11.800 works

00:30:12.340 because we both

00:30:13.240 had lived in the U.S.

00:30:15.080 and experienced

00:30:15.680 U.S. health care

00:30:16.740 and you know

00:30:18.040 had also

00:30:18.680 you know

00:30:19.320 lived in Canada

00:30:20.200 and experienced

00:30:21.080 how it worked there

00:30:22.120 and thought

00:30:23.060 that we might be able

00:30:24.080 to provide

00:30:25.420 some kind of value

00:30:26.320 to Canadians

00:30:27.980 in being able

00:30:29.000 to navigate

00:30:29.560 that system

00:30:30.440 should they want

00:30:31.520 an option

00:30:32.100 to

00:30:32.920 you know

00:30:34.300 to travel

00:30:35.040 and have their

00:30:36.100 done in a quicker

00:30:37.740 manner

00:30:38.200 and that's kind

00:30:39.580 of how

00:30:40.100 you know

00:30:40.460 Health Mantis

00:30:41.160 came about

00:30:41.900 and you know

00:30:43.040 we're into our

00:30:43.600 third year now

00:30:44.540 and you know

00:30:46.000 really enjoy

00:30:46.660 what we're doing

00:30:47.580 and the fact

00:30:48.860 that we can help

00:30:49.840 someone

00:30:50.280 who's in a position

00:30:51.520 that we were in

00:30:52.460 because we understand

00:30:53.340 how they feel

00:30:54.260 and you know

00:30:56.480 that's just kind

00:30:57.440 of yeah

00:30:57.820 where we started.

00:30:58.940 Now I know

00:31:00.420 that you're not

00:31:01.240 a health care provider

00:31:02.480 your company

00:31:03.140 is not

00:31:03.920 and I guess

00:31:04.840 the question is

00:31:05.520 what is the service

00:31:06.520 you're providing

00:31:07.280 when people could do

00:31:08.620 as you did

00:31:09.400 which was just

00:31:10.040 call up a health care

00:31:11.100 provider directly

00:31:11.940 in the U.S.

00:31:12.660 where does Health Mantis

00:31:13.860 come in there?

00:31:15.820 Yeah so yeah

00:31:16.820 we definitely are not

00:31:17.760 and we make sure

00:31:18.540 you know

00:31:18.920 to let people know

00:31:19.700 that we do get

00:31:20.480 a lot of people

00:31:22.520 thinking that we are

00:31:23.340 an actual facility

00:31:24.120 which you know

00:31:24.740 we're not

00:31:25.260 and you know

00:31:27.740 basically where

00:31:28.440 we come into play

00:31:29.400 is being able

00:31:30.660 to make that connection

00:31:31.940 to you know

00:31:34.420 a facility

00:31:35.020 that is

00:31:35.760 it's a reputable facility

00:31:39.160 and is going to have

00:31:39.840 quality of care

00:31:41.140 you know

00:31:42.900 all the facilities

00:31:43.760 that we're working with

00:31:45.320 are ones that we

00:31:46.360 personally visited

00:31:47.460 and we've met

00:31:49.100 the administration

00:31:49.640 so we've kind of

00:31:50.880 added them

00:31:51.680 you know

00:31:52.280 that was one

00:31:52.840 of the important things

00:31:54.040 to us

00:31:54.440 was that

00:31:55.060 you know

00:31:56.060 if we were going

00:31:56.760 to you know

00:31:58.840 send somebody

00:31:59.500 to a particular

00:32:00.420 surgeon

00:32:02.180 we wanted to

00:32:02.800 make sure

00:32:03.680 that the quality

00:32:04.900 of care

00:32:05.360 was going to be there

00:32:06.400 that the credentials

00:32:07.780 had been

00:32:08.240 you know

00:32:09.900 just so that

00:32:10.480 whatever they were

00:32:11.620 having done

00:32:12.300 you know

00:32:12.540 be it a surgery

00:32:13.160 or a procedure

00:32:13.900 that it was going

00:32:15.460 to be done

00:32:16.160 in a safe manner

00:32:17.400 it wasn't that

00:32:19.340 you know

00:32:19.600 you're just

00:32:19.840 throwing a dart

00:32:20.560 you know

00:32:20.900 the U.S.

00:32:21.720 is a large country

00:32:23.580 and you know

00:32:24.460 there's a lot

00:32:24.880 of options

00:32:25.360 and choices

00:32:26.380 there

00:32:26.820 and it's not

00:32:27.800 to say that

00:32:28.300 you know

00:32:28.560 there's

00:32:29.000 you know

00:32:29.380 facilities out there

00:32:30.360 that aren't up to par

00:32:31.260 but you know

00:32:32.260 there can be

00:32:33.480 you know

00:32:34.660 and so that was

00:32:35.520 important to us

00:32:36.560 yeah

00:32:37.020 if you're going in blind

00:32:38.160 and you have no idea

00:32:39.460 which the good player is

00:32:41.160 like there are very easily

00:32:42.380 reputational challenges

00:32:44.100 that you would have

00:32:44.960 no idea of

00:32:45.820 if you were just googling

00:32:46.600 for services

00:32:47.320 in a particular jurisdiction

00:32:48.560 right

00:32:50.280 healthcare is really

00:32:52.440 complex too

00:32:53.500 and knowing how

00:32:54.220 to navigate it

00:32:55.160 even just

00:32:56.360 you know

00:32:56.700 getting a price

00:32:57.560 on something

00:32:58.400 you know

00:32:59.220 that's a huge

00:33:01.000 thing obviously

00:33:02.260 you know

00:33:03.240 procedures

00:33:03.700 and surgeries

00:33:04.460 are not cheap

00:33:05.680 and being able

00:33:06.960 to get

00:33:07.700 you know

00:33:08.380 the cost of something

00:33:09.540 can be really challenging

00:33:10.680 and you can kind of

00:33:11.500 go in circles

00:33:12.080 and spin your wheels

00:33:13.200 you know

00:33:14.740 because

00:33:15.280 not all facilities

00:33:16.720 are going to give you

00:33:18.020 like the total price

00:33:20.180 they might give you

00:33:21.360 the cost of

00:33:22.140 you know

00:33:22.560 okay well this is what

00:33:23.340 the surgeon

00:33:23.840 is going to charge you

00:33:25.540 to have this particular

00:33:26.480 surgery

00:33:27.220 but you need to call

00:33:29.120 the anesthesiology

00:33:30.160 group that we utilize

00:33:31.720 to find out

00:33:32.240 what their charge is

00:33:33.200 and you need to call

00:33:34.520 the facility

00:33:35.100 where we do the surgery

00:33:36.260 to find out

00:33:37.260 what the facility

00:33:37.900 charge will be

00:33:38.860 you know

00:33:40.040 and so

00:33:40.720 things

00:33:43.240 you know

00:33:43.720 that we had

00:33:44.660 to keep in mind

00:33:45.440 and

00:33:45.800 in finding locations

00:33:47.800 that they were able

00:33:48.640 to provide us

00:33:49.900 with the cost

00:33:51.180 for everything

00:33:51.980 you know

00:33:52.640 because the last thing

00:33:53.440 that you want

00:33:54.120 is to

00:33:54.940 you know

00:33:55.400 tell somebody

00:33:56.140 okay you can have

00:33:57.180 the surgery

00:33:57.660 for X amount

00:33:58.380 of dollars

00:33:58.840 and not realize

00:34:01.300 oh wait

00:34:01.800 it didn't

00:34:02.340 you know

00:34:02.620 cover the cost

00:34:03.780 of you know

00:34:04.560 maybe the

00:34:05.080 facility fee

00:34:06.000 or something

00:34:06.960 you know

00:34:08.040 we didn't want

00:34:08.800 anybody having

00:34:09.360 surprise bills

00:34:10.360 and things like that

00:34:12.720 and so

00:34:13.280 you know

00:34:13.740 the facilities

00:34:14.460 that we had sought out

00:34:16.900 were able to provide us

00:34:18.280 with you know

00:34:19.900 bundled pricing

00:34:20.820 or kind of

00:34:21.240 all-inclusive pricing

00:34:22.240 so that the customer

00:34:24.700 was aware of

00:34:25.700 what the total package

00:34:27.000 was going to cost

00:34:28.100 you know

00:34:29.820 and also to help them

00:34:31.240 kind of navigate

00:34:31.920 how it's going to work

00:34:34.180 how many days

00:34:37.260 you need to come out

00:34:38.340 and also like

00:34:40.600 the timeliness of it

00:34:41.640 the providers

00:34:42.980 that we're working

00:34:43.620 with are really good

00:34:44.860 at working

00:34:46.840 with the customer

00:34:48.680 and getting them in

00:34:49.680 on their time schedule

00:34:51.080 you know

00:34:52.320 they usually can get them

00:34:53.220 in within a couple

00:34:54.000 weeks time

00:34:54.780 flexible with us

00:34:57.460 knowing that they're

00:34:58.260 coming from another country 0.99

00:34:59.340 so those are some

00:35:01.360 of some of the things

00:35:02.500 that we can provide

00:35:03.180 you know

00:35:04.680 we also help

00:35:05.620 book their travel

00:35:06.900 you know

00:35:08.240 we can suggest

00:35:09.200 hotels in the area

00:35:10.900 that are aware

00:35:12.240 that they're coming in

00:35:13.640 you know

00:35:13.940 for a surgery

00:35:14.620 or procedure

00:35:15.380 some of our doctors

00:35:16.580 have even went

00:35:17.680 as far as to go

00:35:19.080 to the hotel room

00:35:20.340 to check in on them

00:35:22.060 like on a daily basis

00:35:23.480 to make sure

00:35:24.260 that they're doing okay

00:35:25.580 and you know

00:35:26.640 they just really provide

00:35:27.740 that extra care

00:35:29.580 just knowing that

00:35:31.460 you know

00:35:31.820 they're coming in

00:35:33.040 from Canada

00:35:33.980 So I live in London, Ontario

00:35:37.200 and it's very common

00:35:38.620 for people

00:35:39.540 in my part of the country

00:35:40.740 to drive across the border

00:35:42.340 to Port Huron

00:35:43.780 or Detroit

00:35:44.280 to get typically

00:35:46.060 minor things

00:35:46.780 maybe it's something

00:35:47.460 diagnostic

00:35:48.100 like an MRI

00:35:48.820 or something like that

00:35:50.600 but you're in Atlantic Canada

00:35:51.940 a lot further removed

00:35:53.240 from the physical border

00:35:54.780 so you're dealing

00:35:55.700 with people

00:35:56.300 from the local perspective

00:35:58.000 that are flying

00:35:58.760 and I know you aren't

00:35:59.760 restricted in your

00:36:00.660 customer base

00:36:01.620 or client base

00:36:02.360 to Atlantic Canada

00:36:03.260 but do you find

00:36:04.540 that a lot of the people

00:36:05.540 that you get

00:36:06.120 are not just coming

00:36:07.300 from nearby the border

00:36:09.080 they're from

00:36:09.720 a further removed part

00:36:10.900 and they're flying in

00:36:12.600 for healthcare

00:36:13.280 Yeah, no

00:36:15.020 I'd have to agree with that

00:36:16.380 you know

00:36:17.420 definitely in Ontario

00:36:18.880 there's a lot more resources

00:36:21.040 right across the border

00:36:22.080 there are a lot of providers

00:36:24.200 there that are used

00:36:25.120 to seeing Canadians

00:36:26.140 come across the border

00:36:28.220 Yeah, the billboards

00:36:29.620 are like specifically

00:36:30.500 marketing to Canadians

00:36:31.880 when you cross the border

00:36:33.500 it's actually quite something

00:36:34.680 Yeah, yeah

00:36:36.440 definitely

00:36:37.820 yeah

00:36:38.300 there are definitely

00:36:38.900 those facilities there

00:36:40.640 and you know

00:36:41.980 and in the US

00:36:42.540 you know

00:36:42.980 the healthcare

00:36:43.380 it's a business

00:36:44.460 so you know

00:36:45.460 it's run very different

00:36:46.340 than the way it is

00:36:46.960 in Canada

00:36:47.360 so they're very happy

00:36:48.960 to treat Canadians

00:36:50.540 for sure

00:36:51.260 but yeah

00:36:52.720 in remote areas

00:36:53.680 Nova Scotia

00:36:55.960 PEI

00:36:57.080 you know

00:36:57.500 Labrador, Newfoundland

00:36:58.660 even Alberta

00:37:00.040 out west

00:37:00.880 you know

00:37:02.080 there's not as

00:37:03.100 easily accessible

00:37:04.200 facilities

00:37:05.260 right across the border

00:37:06.360 so people do have

00:37:07.580 to fly and travel

00:37:09.220 to have that

00:37:09.960 and we try to keep

00:37:11.120 that in mind

00:37:11.960 you know

00:37:13.300 when we're

00:37:13.920 trying to find

00:37:15.380 the right facility

00:37:16.200 for them

00:37:16.920 you know

00:37:18.000 we want to make sure

00:37:19.080 that it's

00:37:19.940 you know

00:37:20.180 if we can find

00:37:21.280 them a facility

00:37:22.240 where they can

00:37:22.940 have direct flight

00:37:24.220 you know

00:37:25.460 that's kind of

00:37:26.240 our first go-to

00:37:27.660 you know

00:37:28.880 if it's the right

00:37:29.800 you know

00:37:30.520 facility for them

00:37:32.200 you know

00:37:33.280 sometimes

00:37:33.920 that's not always

00:37:35.280 possible

00:37:36.260 but you know

00:37:37.120 we do try

00:37:37.720 to keep that in mind

00:37:39.440 because

00:37:39.920 there's also

00:37:41.160 a risk

00:37:41.800 in flying

00:37:43.200 after you've

00:37:43.940 had a surgery

00:37:44.620 and so

00:37:46.200 you know

00:37:46.700 if we can try

00:37:47.420 to keep the flight

00:37:48.280 time at four hours

00:37:49.560 or less

00:37:50.180 then there

00:37:51.120 you know

00:37:52.900 developing

00:37:53.340 something like

00:37:54.040 a DVT

00:37:54.740 or you know

00:37:55.900 a type of

00:37:56.860 complication

00:37:57.540 reduces that risk

00:37:59.440 and so

00:37:59.840 we certainly

00:38:00.480 try to keep

00:38:00.980 that in mind

00:38:02.280 you know

00:38:03.140 and sometimes

00:38:03.600 you know

00:38:04.160 people do have

00:38:05.060 a preference

00:38:05.500 on where they go

00:38:06.460 they may have

00:38:07.060 a vacation home

00:38:08.160 somewhere

00:38:08.560 or have family

00:38:09.340 in a specific

00:38:10.300 state

00:38:10.860 or something like that

00:38:12.200 and so

00:38:12.560 you know

00:38:12.880 we do try

00:38:13.360 to accommodate

00:38:14.080 if we can

00:38:14.900 it's not always

00:38:16.120 possible

00:38:16.560 but if we can

00:38:18.080 we certainly do

00:38:19.020 but definitely

00:38:20.280 try to find

00:38:21.620 a facility

00:38:22.020 that's going

00:38:22.420 to be

00:38:22.780 the most

00:38:23.200 convenient

00:38:23.640 to them

00:38:24.380 to keep

00:38:24.900 that travel

00:38:25.360 time down

00:38:26.460 I think

00:38:27.440 the stereotype

00:38:28.240 of a Canadian

00:38:29.840 who seeks

00:38:30.800 healthcare

00:38:31.600 in the US

00:38:32.720 the negative

00:38:33.860 stereotype

00:38:34.460 that I think

00:38:35.180 is peddled

00:38:35.660 about this

00:38:36.200 is someone

00:38:36.520 who's very

00:38:37.080 wealthy

00:38:37.520 and very

00:38:38.520 impatient

00:38:39.080 and I've

00:38:39.980 talked to

00:38:40.400 people that

00:38:41.000 have been

00:38:41.460 very middle

00:38:42.040 class

00:38:42.560 that have

00:38:43.100 sought

00:38:43.660 treatment

00:38:44.080 in the US

00:38:44.620 and I mean

00:38:45.460 they've spent

00:38:45.820 a lot of

00:38:46.240 money doing

00:38:46.700 it but

00:38:47.120 they've done

00:38:47.660 it because

00:38:48.000 they felt

00:38:48.380 they had

00:38:48.780 to and in

00:38:49.140 many cases

00:38:49.640 they did

00:38:50.100 and I'm

00:38:50.660 curious if

00:38:51.160 you see

00:38:51.520 that in

00:38:51.840 your client

00:38:52.340 base

00:38:52.660 are there

00:38:53.120 a lot

00:38:53.420 of just

00:38:53.720 ordinary

00:38:54.120 middle class

00:38:54.720 people

00:38:55.040 or is it

00:38:55.440 very much

00:38:55.940 an upper

00:38:56.760 income

00:38:57.220 service

00:38:58.100 that people

00:38:58.840 are in

00:38:59.540 your view

00:38:59.940 seeing

00:39:00.340 to be honest

00:39:02.960 I would have

00:39:03.600 to say

00:39:04.060 it's almost

00:39:04.840 all middle

00:39:05.740 class

00:39:06.260 you know

00:39:07.600 we may have

00:39:08.200 had a couple

00:39:08.960 cases where

00:39:10.000 you know

00:39:10.740 I mean

00:39:10.900 we obviously

00:39:11.360 can't see

00:39:11.960 you know

00:39:12.240 what their

00:39:12.560 income is

00:39:13.180 but it's

00:39:14.280 you know

00:39:14.740 the majority

00:39:16.280 of the

00:39:17.060 cases

00:39:17.840 you know

00:39:18.400 are people

00:39:18.760 that have

00:39:19.020 come to us

00:39:19.660 I would have

00:39:20.180 to say

00:39:20.480 are very

00:39:20.980 middle class

00:39:22.120 you know

00:39:23.720 and finances

00:39:25.160 are a huge

00:39:26.120 concern

00:39:26.940 and you know

00:39:28.460 and we again

00:39:29.300 try to keep

00:39:29.900 that you know

00:39:30.600 in mind

00:39:31.180 and you know

00:39:31.720 not everybody

00:39:32.320 can afford

00:39:33.360 to be able

00:39:34.880 to have treatment

00:39:36.760 or to pay

00:39:37.360 out of pocket

00:39:37.940 like that

00:39:38.680 and I do

00:39:40.660 think that

00:39:41.340 you know

00:39:41.720 it can be

00:39:43.460 you know

00:39:43.960 a burden

00:39:44.660 on some people

00:39:45.860 but they're

00:39:46.380 willing to

00:39:47.200 find the resources

00:39:48.960 and sacrifice

00:39:49.700 just because

00:39:50.720 they you know

00:39:51.660 their health

00:39:52.400 is important

00:39:52.960 to them

00:39:53.420 and they want

00:39:54.220 to feel better

00:39:54.740 they don't want

00:39:55.340 to have to

00:39:55.800 wait

00:39:56.080 but I would

00:39:58.160 say at least

00:39:58.820 you know

00:39:59.360 in our experience

00:40:00.860 it's definitely

00:40:02.040 more middle class

00:40:03.340 people that are

00:40:04.200 you know

00:40:04.560 coming to us

00:40:05.380 it's

00:40:05.700 I don't think

00:40:07.800 we've had

00:40:08.180 very many

00:40:08.700 where you know

00:40:09.640 money was no object

00:40:10.820 let's put it that way

00:40:11.780 so I guess

00:40:12.000 with that being said

00:40:13.340 you've got people

00:40:14.080 coming to you

00:40:15.000 that are not

00:40:16.480 having the disposable

00:40:17.500 income

00:40:17.940 or that the income

00:40:18.940 the money to do

00:40:19.800 this is not something

00:40:20.560 that can be covered

00:40:21.220 by disposable income

00:40:22.280 what's the feeling

00:40:23.540 if you could

00:40:24.020 characterize it

00:40:24.880 that most people

00:40:25.500 seem to have

00:40:26.180 by the time

00:40:26.800 they come to you

00:40:27.920 you know

00:40:29.600 they you know

00:40:30.720 a lot of people

00:40:31.620 obviously are very

00:40:32.540 frustrated

00:40:33.180 you know

00:40:34.620 they they all

00:40:35.720 have had

00:40:37.200 some kind of

00:40:38.100 negative experience

00:40:39.060 and you know

00:40:40.520 they've had a run around

00:40:41.580 they've been in circles

00:40:42.600 they've you know

00:40:43.860 tried to get into

00:40:45.580 specialists

00:40:46.340 you know

00:40:47.520 they they've kind of

00:40:48.920 done what they can

00:40:49.640 on their end

00:40:50.460 and they're at their

00:40:51.520 wits end

00:40:52.200 of you know

00:40:53.660 I just can't do this

00:40:55.320 anymore

00:40:55.780 you know

00:40:56.560 by the time that

00:40:57.280 they've kind of

00:40:57.800 come to us

00:40:58.580 and you know

00:41:01.020 there's there's a lot

00:41:02.160 of stress

00:41:02.780 that is involved

00:41:03.680 with that

00:41:04.140 some of them

00:41:04.900 have had to

00:41:06.060 you know

00:41:07.420 quit their job

00:41:08.400 or scale

00:41:09.520 their hours back

00:41:10.420 because they

00:41:11.340 they're in pain

00:41:12.400 or they're just

00:41:13.280 not physically

00:41:13.880 able to do

00:41:15.020 you know

00:41:16.020 the type of work

00:41:16.900 that they were doing

00:41:17.780 because of it

00:41:18.660 and I think

00:41:19.740 that has a lot

00:41:20.460 to do with it

00:41:21.280 you know

00:41:21.720 that

00:41:22.100 you know

00:41:23.520 for instance

00:41:24.180 you know

00:41:24.480 we had a customer

00:41:25.160 that was a masseuse 0.83

00:41:26.540 and she had an issue 0.98

00:41:28.060 with her hand

00:41:28.820 you know

00:41:29.540 she could not

00:41:30.480 do her job

00:41:31.280 anymore

00:41:31.720 because

00:41:32.220 it was too painful

00:41:33.900 you know

00:41:35.520 we see that a lot

00:41:36.840 and so there's

00:41:37.820 frustration

00:41:38.400 on their end

00:41:39.880 and they just

00:41:40.660 want to feel better

00:41:41.520 you know

00:41:42.520 they just want

00:41:43.100 to have somebody

00:41:44.580 you know

00:41:45.500 take their case

00:41:46.340 and help them

00:41:47.000 feel better

00:41:47.600 you know

00:41:48.420 there's other

00:41:48.740 situations

00:41:49.320 where they don't

00:41:50.480 have an answer

00:41:51.260 you know

00:41:52.100 they've kind of

00:41:52.940 been bounced

00:41:53.860 from doctor

00:41:54.500 to doctor

00:41:55.040 and they don't

00:41:55.700 know what's

00:41:56.120 going on

00:41:56.980 and you know

00:41:58.380 that may have

00:41:59.820 been happening

00:42:00.760 for a year

00:42:01.580 or two

00:42:02.000 and they just

00:42:03.200 want somebody

00:42:03.660 to tell them

00:42:04.560 what's going on

00:42:05.800 and what's wrong

00:42:06.360 with them

00:42:06.740 so they can get

00:42:07.360 the treatment

00:42:07.880 and feel better

00:42:09.420 so I think

00:42:10.740 like you know

00:42:11.580 the number one

00:42:12.520 feeling that we

00:42:14.060 see is probably

00:42:15.140 frustration

00:42:15.880 yeah

00:42:18.120 do you think

00:42:19.740 that your

00:42:20.280 business can exist

00:42:21.500 because the health

00:42:22.280 care in the U.S.

00:42:23.060 is fundamentally

00:42:23.700 better than

00:42:24.360 Canada's health

00:42:25.120 care

00:42:25.300 do you think

00:42:25.600 it really just

00:42:26.060 comes down

00:42:26.440 to access

00:42:27.140 no I think

00:42:28.980 it's more

00:42:29.400 about the

00:42:29.900 access to it

00:42:31.020 you know

00:42:32.400 you're able

00:42:33.420 to get in

00:42:34.160 to see a

00:42:34.680 physician

00:42:35.080 much quicker

00:42:36.460 and you know

00:42:37.480 much sooner

00:42:38.040 you're able

00:42:38.760 to have a

00:42:39.180 surgery

00:42:39.580 you know

00:42:41.160 in a much

00:42:41.740 quicker manner

00:42:42.560 so I think

00:42:43.500 it's more

00:42:43.940 about that

00:42:44.680 than anything

00:42:45.240 else

00:42:45.540 it's you know

00:42:46.140 it's not

00:42:46.500 that you know

00:42:47.220 that the doctors

00:42:48.380 are any better

00:42:49.120 than what they

00:42:49.640 are in Canada

00:42:50.380 every once

00:42:52.260 in a while

00:42:52.660 you know

00:42:52.980 we'll come

00:42:53.320 across a situation

00:42:54.260 where a particular

00:42:56.400 procedure

00:42:57.020 might not

00:42:57.700 be available

00:42:58.320 in Canada

00:42:58.920 yet

00:42:59.380 but you know

00:43:00.720 the majority

00:43:01.780 of the cases

00:43:02.400 it's just

00:43:03.920 the access

00:43:04.680 is all

00:43:05.280 well certainly

00:43:07.100 it's good

00:43:07.480 that you're there

00:43:07.960 to walk people

00:43:08.880 through what I know

00:43:09.840 could be very

00:43:10.300 difficult process

00:43:11.660 if someone needs

00:43:12.500 it and like you

00:43:13.020 said by the time

00:43:13.700 they come to you

00:43:14.340 they're in a place

00:43:15.740 of vulnerability

00:43:16.440 already so

00:43:17.420 very interesting

00:43:18.700 service was glad

00:43:19.500 I learned about it

00:43:20.240 through my friend

00:43:20.900 Chris Sims

00:43:21.420 and was glad

00:43:21.920 you were able

00:43:22.300 to chat today

00:43:23.040 Christy Yvonne

00:43:24.040 one of the co-founders

00:43:25.100 of HealthVantis

00:43:26.080 and the website

00:43:27.060 is HealthVantis.ca

00:43:28.860 and we've got it

00:43:29.480 up on the screen

00:43:30.340 there

00:43:30.540 thank you so much

00:43:31.400 Christy

00:43:31.700 I really appreciate it

00:43:32.960 yes thank you

00:43:33.820 so much Andrew

00:43:34.620 I appreciate it

00:43:35.700 as well

00:43:36.160 all right

00:43:36.900 well that does

00:43:37.420 it for us

00:43:38.160 today my thanks

00:43:39.160 to all who

00:43:39.720 listened to the show

00:43:40.680 wrote in

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00:43:43.180 you did

00:43:43.600 to let the show

00:43:44.440 keep going on

00:43:45.140 my thanks to you

00:43:45.880 and also of course

00:43:46.960 to Christy

00:43:47.460 for coming on

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