Juno News - Canadian Anti-Hate Network won't look at left-wing hate

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00:00:30.000 Thank you.

00:01:00.000 welcome to canada's most irreverent talk show this is the andrew lawton show brought to you by true

00:01:20.440 i'm back hello and welcome to you all i realize i sound very very weird compared to normally i'm

00:01:32.960 not doing like a weird auto-tune thing i am i i don't even know what i have i was in london last

00:01:39.340 week for the arc forum and then over the weekend i was in calgary for the united conservative party

00:01:45.080 agm and then i just woke up monday with no voice whatsoever and i was like all right well maybe at

00:01:51.560 a certain point i'll do something so now i sound like a weird like croaky disney character uh

00:01:57.480 whatever actually maybe i sound better than i normally do but this is the andrew lawton show

00:02:01.480 canada's most irreverent talk show here on true north it's good to have you aboard the program

00:02:06.440 today it's going to be a bit of a shorter show and a kind of a compilation of some of the things

00:02:11.000 we've been dealing with over the last couple of weeks just because I am still a little bit under

00:02:16.380 the weather but we'll hopefully be back to full strength of reverence in the days to come. But

00:02:22.160 one thing I want to talk about is this really really fantastic admission this saying the quiet

00:02:28.100 part out loud that Bernie Farber did. Now Bernie Farber you may or may not know he used to be a

00:02:33.440 big guy in the Jewish community in Canada head of the Canadian Jewish Congress and he went on

00:02:39.780 to found the canadian anti-hate network now the canadian anti-hate network is one of the groups

00:02:45.620 that likes to see a big evil scary right winger under every rock hiding behind every tree in the

00:02:51.540 bushes you look outside it's oh there's a nazi there's a nazi there's a nazi and in a lot of

00:02:56.420 ways people have wondered if this was just a weaponized task force meant to attack the right

00:03:03.460 A few weeks back, Karima Saad and Elisa Haddigan, two people that are very much on the left,

00:03:10.000 published a very lengthy takedown of the Canadian Anti-Hate Network in which they

00:03:14.520 pointed to a whole host of issues with this organization, which I thought,

00:03:18.440 generally speaking, were somewhat well-founded. But a lot of people have wondered why they were

00:03:23.400 so silent when we had one of the most visible manifestations of hate we could ever expect to

00:03:29.660 see come to us on October 7th. I'm talking of course about the Hamas attacks on Israel. They 0.64

00:03:36.620 killed over 1,400 Israelis. More than 200 people are being held captive in Israel and the Canadian

00:03:42.960 Anti-Hate Network had very little in fact nothing to say for a couple of weeks. They finally started

00:03:49.240 to talk about it but they tried to both sides it and say well you know we see anti-Semitism as a

00:03:54.840 problem but we also see islamophobia and then they went for what they view as the real culprit

00:04:01.480 uh the far right this is a post from november 1st canada's far right is using israel hamas war

00:04:07.800 to spread anti-semitism and islamophobia so they're not concerned about hamas they're not 0.97

00:04:12.840 concerned about all the left-wing protesters that are chanting gas the jews they're concerned about

00:04:17.160 how they view the far right as being the real manipulator here using anti-semitism and islamophobia

00:04:24.360 Now, Bernie Farber, who in his personal capacity is critical of anti-Semites and anti-Semitism,

00:04:30.920 was asked on Twitter by Ariella Kimmel, who's a very prominent Jewish activist and advocate,

00:04:36.440 why CAHN was so silent on this. On Twitter, this is what he said in response.

00:04:44.120 Ariella, anti-hate.ca focuses on the extreme right. That is what it does. I wish we had the

00:04:51.560 resources to do more we just don't oh there is a lot to unpack in those couple of sentences we

00:05:00.200 only focus on the extreme right so for starters that suggests that they're not actually interested

00:05:05.960 in hate they view the right as being hateful they're interested in being anti-right not anti-hate

00:05:12.760 and by the way i'm not even sure that's an accurate reflection of their mandate i looked on

00:05:16.840 the anti-hate.ca website because they blocked me on twitter and on their website it says the

00:05:21.800 canadian anti-hate network counters monitors and exposes hate promoting movements groups

00:05:27.320 and individuals in canada using every reasonable legal and ethical tool at our disposal says

00:05:34.440 nothing about conservatism says nothing about the right it says they look for all hate in society

00:05:40.120 but the other implication of this is that all of this anti-semitism that uh cahn is not talking

00:05:45.560 about must then be coming from the left right oh interesting yeah you're saying the quiet part out

00:05:52.680 loud there bernie i thank you for your honesty and your candor i asked him and cahn to clarify and

00:05:59.320 uh needless to say they did not get back to me but this is i think quite a tremendous tremendous

00:06:05.240 display of honesty a rare bit of honesty that they're only interested in covering hate when

00:06:09.560 they can pin it on the right this is why we see that researcher barbara perry continue to pass

00:06:14.360 off that group of like apparently 300 hate groups in Canada that are right-wing but she won't

00:06:19.680 publish the list of them. My colleague Cosman Georgia has been trying to get a hold of this

00:06:24.280 list for years now and has not been able to. This is exactly what's happening though. We have this

00:06:29.960 industry and I say industry because this is well-funded and this group receives government

00:06:34.840 money. This industry that is trying to make it out to be that one side, one political side is

00:06:40.540 responsible for all the hate and all the problems, and that is not, of course, their side. They want

00:06:45.480 to just say that the right is hateful and everyone else is, I guess, virtuous and heroic, if you put

00:06:51.400 it to that context. One of the things we have seen come about yesterday is a bit of an unhinged

00:06:56.320 reaction to Danielle Smith announcing, well, not announcing, but Danielle Smith agreeing

00:07:02.100 to participate in this event coming up in January with Tucker Carlson. Now, Tucker Carlson is the

00:07:08.920 former Fox News host. Now he's doing his show on X where he's getting just like millions and

00:07:14.860 millions and millions and millions of views. He's going to be in Calgary in January and part of his

00:07:20.560 event is going to be a conversation with Danielle Smith. Now this is I think quite interesting. The

00:07:26.620 Premier's office has said look she'll sit down with a number of people. Being interviewed by

00:07:30.920 someone does not mean you agree with them. You're going to sit down with CBC, with Toronto Star.

00:07:35.300 you don't agree with them. Why would anyone assume that she agrees with everything Tucker said?

00:07:39.380 That's a fair enough question, but it's amazing how quick the NDP just jumps into making this

00:07:44.520 like a huge crisis. Shannon Phillips, who is an MLA in Alberta for the NDP, had tweeted out about

00:07:51.360 this. Tucker Carlson is a pro-Putin white nationalist. So naturally, Danielle Smith

00:07:58.840 is scheduled to help him promote his event in Calgary in January. That was a particularly fun

00:08:05.240 one from Shannon Phillips. We have another one, David Shepard, who says, Shannon's right.

00:08:10.380 Carlson's been a loud promoter of the great replacement theory and other white nationalist

00:08:14.680 ideas. Not someone the premier of a diverse province should be giving airtime, particularly

00:08:20.620 at not. Oh, sorry. He messed up the grammar. So then I messed it up trying to fix his grammar.

00:08:27.140 Not someone the premier of a diverse province should be giving time, particularly at a time 0.99

00:08:31.820 of rising anti-semitism and islamophobia and then rachel notley the ndp leader and

00:08:36.940 former premier of alberta had this to say tucker carlson um listen uh that character uh has um

00:08:49.740 attacked the ukraine he has a diminished women in a in an offensive way he has endorsed uh the the

00:08:58.380 attempted uprising in the U.S. around the the presidential elections. He is not a

00:09:07.200 credible figure. The fact that our Premier believes it's appropriate to

00:09:13.140 normalize the things this person would say by appearing on a stage with him, it

00:09:17.640 demonstrates a profound lack of judgment on her part. Furthermore, it damages

00:09:24.700 Alberta's reputation on an international level at a time when we are trying to

00:09:30.400 present ourselves internationally as a safe destination for investment dollars.

00:09:35.200 So I would call on the Premier to immediately cancel that planned

00:09:40.120 appearance because Albertans deserve better from their leadership. They

00:09:45.460 deserve responsibility. They deserve a measured form of leadership and

00:09:50.820 and appearing with that character on stage is not that.

00:09:57.040 I like that she keeps calling him a character.

00:09:59.340 It's like he's Voldemort now.

00:10:00.740 You can't actually say his name

00:10:02.620 because doing so is like to succumb to the evil.

00:10:05.280 So instead of he who must not be named,

00:10:07.600 it's that character.

00:10:08.800 So that should actually be the name of the title.

00:10:10.800 You know, Tucker Carlson Live

00:10:11.940 featuring that character, Tucker Carlson.

00:10:14.120 So that's the NDP's approach.

00:10:16.200 The mainstream media, I suspect,

00:10:17.740 will be having a bit of a field day with this as well

00:10:20.140 in the coming days. But whatever you think of Tucker Carlson, I think it's interesting that

00:10:25.140 people only expect the left to, or people only expect the right to disown people in their group

00:10:33.520 and to do this guilt by association thing. The left never has to do it. The left is never

00:10:37.180 forced to apologize for its so-called radicals. The left is never forced to contend with any of

00:10:42.780 this. It is purely the right that has to do this because the left has kind of made it seem like

00:10:47.620 anyone outside of that bubble that they sort of decide is the

00:10:51.620 bounds of civil society is fringe, is marginal, is extreme.

00:10:56.020 And they're okay actually cutting out large swaths of the

00:10:59.220 population when they do this.

00:11:02.120 Now, a lot of the unhinged anger about Tucker Carlson, by the

00:11:05.220 way, is entirely about a joke, a joke he made that just like

00:11:09.220 fired up people in Canada, especially on the left for bizarre

00:11:12.320 reasons.

00:11:12.720 This was the comment he made on one of his old shows at Fox News.

00:11:17.780 What struck you about that? I thought you were going to ask me whether Trudeau is Castro's son, or if he very much obviously is, and I'm completely in favor of a pig's operation to liberate that country. 0.88

00:11:29.180 I mean, why should we stand back and let our biggest trading partner, the country with which we share the longest border, and actually, I could just say a great country.

00:11:36.700 I love Canada. I've always loved Canada because of its natural beauty.

00:11:39.440 Why should we let it become Cuba? Like, why don't we liberate it? We're spending all this money to liberate Ukraine from the Russians. 1.00

00:11:45.680 why are we not sending an armed force north to liberate Canada from Trudeau? And I mean it.

00:11:51.180 I realize he says I mean it there, but if you've watched Tucker at all, you'll know that this is

00:11:56.380 just his sense of humor. He does this. He has running gags. There's a reason that whenever

00:12:00.700 he mentions Ottawa on his show, he says Ottawa, because it just triggers people. It's just a fun

00:12:06.360 thing to do. I know I don't know Tucker very well. I was actually one time when I was in Davos,

00:12:11.900 I was supposed to be on his show and it was like, I was so excited and it was going to be at like

00:12:16.240 two in the morning, I think in Zurich or in Davos, but I was getting ready for it. And then they ended

00:12:21.580 up like bumping me at the last minute for something else. So I got to go back. Yeah.

00:12:24.860 Sean says he remembers. Yeah. Cause Sean was going to have to come with me, I think for that. But

00:12:29.600 nevertheless, one of the things that I found so hilarious is that the left never has a sense of

00:12:35.960 humor and they didn't about that. Most of the craziness about Donald Trump was not about things

00:12:41.240 he said seriously. It was people that refused to accept when he was making a joke. Because that,

00:12:46.300 why else would the NDP get up in the House of Commons to do this, unless they had a sense of

00:12:51.540 humor? Speaker, after consultation with the parties in the House, if you seek it, I believe

00:12:57.040 you will find unanimous consent for the following motion, that given the rise of far-right and

00:13:02.740 associated violent extremism led to the attempted insurrection in the United States, the House

00:13:08.240 condemns recent comments made by fox news personality tucker carlson in which he suggests

00:13:14.720 u.s armed forces liberate canada from the current prime minister

00:13:19.800 all those opposed to the honorable member moving the motion will please say nay

00:13:26.220 i'm afraid we don't have

00:13:29.240 unanimous consent so perhaps tucker carlson is just going to come in do his talk with danielle

00:13:37.080 Smith and Lee, perhaps this is step one of a multi-pronged force to liberate Canada from

00:13:43.100 Justin Trudeau. I don't know, and I don't really care. Whether you are a fan of Tucker or not,

00:13:48.480 I don't think we should be saying that politicians are only allowed to speak to certain approved

00:13:52.640 individuals when it's only the left that gets to set those terms. That's the whole point,

00:13:57.720 because I know that the same people will take aim at Danielle Smith if she sits down for an 1.00

00:14:01.700 interview with me, if she sits down for an interview with Rebel News, and what happens

00:14:05.740 then as the left gets to protect its little oligopoly on discourse so I think just from a

00:14:11.100 media freedom perspective a lot of this is very dangerous but there's also an additional aspect

00:14:16.920 here which is a bit bigger picture so bear with me which is that the media is not really concerned

00:14:22.240 about popularity they want only a certain type of fan I think we saw during the COVID era that

00:14:28.140 a lot of the times the majority feels like it's in the minority and that's because people that

00:14:34.100 have very widely held mainstream beliefs like, oh, I don't know, support for parental rights

00:14:38.340 are made to feel like they are marginal or fringe. And there was a bit of an aside to this that I

00:14:44.860 wanted to get to last week and didn't get a chance. But Australia a couple of weeks ago

00:14:48.760 had a referendum on something called the Indigenous Voice or The Voice, which is not

00:14:54.340 just the musical competition show, but it was an initiative that would have put constitutional

00:14:59.420 reform in Australia to give more weight to Indigenous voices in public policy basically

00:15:07.120 and a lot of people said it would have been an Indigenous veto on public policy and they had

00:15:12.360 this referendum everyone assumed the thing was going to pass in a landslide not only did it not

00:15:17.960 but it wasn't even close the no side trounced the yes side I spoke about this at the ARC forum in

00:15:24.600 london with australian senator alex antik take a look so for people that didn't follow the news

00:15:30.180 closely outside of australia what was this referendum about oh this is the voice referendum

00:15:35.360 so this went to a vote on 14th of october uh and in australian terms uh what it was what it was

00:15:41.480 pitched as was a a modest change to our constitution to give aboriginal people 0.96

00:15:47.400 special representation but what it was in reality was a huge significant change a whole new chapter

00:15:53.980 in our constitution which was designed really I think to create a bigger government bureaucracy

00:15:59.200 a bigger government more spending and really had no detail around it there was no intricacies in

00:16:06.400 terms of what it was supposed to do but what we knew was it wasn't going to actually help it

00:16:10.040 wasn't actually doing anything to to help disadvantaged Aboriginal people so pretty 0.96

00:16:14.280 pretty encouraging that it went down I have to say we had about a 61% no vote across the country

00:16:19.680 and in my home state about a 64% no vote so that was great. It was our Brexit moment. 1.00

00:16:25.580 One of the things that was so fascinating though is how much I think a lot of the elites misjudged

00:16:30.140 what those results were going to be. I mean I wasn't following the polling with any detail

00:16:34.160 but people I know that were on your side of that were in a lot of ways either completely pessimistic

00:16:39.560 or very narrowly optimistic. So how do people get that so wrong?

00:16:43.660 Look it's the great question. I mean it's the same reason Brexit was mis-polled and the same reason

00:16:48.340 people missed the trump election really in essence i think part of the problem is the left

00:16:52.680 they love talking to themselves they love their own echo chamber you know these are people who

00:16:56.960 started off with i think a position and then talked to themselves about it and no one ever

00:17:02.160 reached out and tried to talk to the guy on the street who really had no time for what was being

00:17:07.620 proposed because really ultimately what we were talking about was dividing australians by race

00:17:11.340 and that was basically the bottom line it would have set up a a system we don't know what it

00:17:15.840 looked like which would have given aboriginal people um a different category of representation

00:17:20.220 which you could only get by virtue of the fact that you were aboriginal so that's racial division

00:17:24.500 and uh you know ultimately i think they thought they could probably hoodwink people into uh into

00:17:30.540 you know the sort of the the the emotional side of it which was uh which just wasn't the case

00:17:35.400 aussies were i'm pleased to report too smart in canada we see under the guise of truth and

00:17:40.920 reconciliation a lot of proposals that you know sometimes you know things seem benign like a land

00:17:46.160 acknowledgement but but oftentimes are accompanied by a very negative underlying premise which is

00:17:51.860 that you know we have to feel guilty about living in a country and is that dynamic the same in

00:17:55.780 Australia as well exactly the same and in fact you know we've been saying I've been saying for

00:17:59.640 a long time people are going to be stopped feeling ashamed of their their culture and

00:18:04.000 their history we have to in Australia I mean my side of the coin is not only British heritage I

00:18:08.520 got one half of my family that are and you know i think the british created so much good in

00:18:13.300 australia and you know colonialism has become a pejorative term um of course there were some

00:18:18.880 things that weren't that weren't 100 uh you know 100 good about it of course but by the overwhelming

00:18:24.300 majority of things we've seen through that in western culture have been excellent and so you

00:18:30.020 know i think we do we see our welcome to country we call them ceremonies and um you know it really

00:18:34.720 when you boil it down it's it's it's division you know we're all australians and and we should be so

00:18:40.160 you know why keep dividing just on another topic entirely i i know the last few years a lot of

00:18:46.080 people outside of australia were looking at your country and saying what the heck is going on there

00:18:50.320 uh during the covid era and i i think it's probably related to the fact there seems to be

00:18:53.760 very large australian contingent here today uh so are our aussies pushing back look i i think so i

00:19:00.080 I think in a certain way, and we hope that the no campaign and the victory in the voice will give conservatives more encouragement that people out there want this message.

00:19:11.200 You know, that people are sick of being told that they've got a lot to be ashamed of, that we're a racist country, that Australia is systemically racist. 0.99

00:19:19.040 It's all just complete rubbish. 1.00

00:19:21.680 And look, I think there is that. 0.99

00:19:22.720 There are a lot of Aussies here, a lot of really good Aussies too.

00:19:25.360 And we are seeing a bit of a shift.

00:19:27.360 the problem we've got is getting that message out there that you're not alone. Media takes a very

00:19:32.760 different view on it. So it's good to see people like yourself here, you know, flying the flag and

00:19:36.680 others. We've seen, you know, the Aussie wire and we've got R.V.M. from Rebel News and people that

00:19:41.320 are, you know, trying to tell a different story, which is great. That was Australian Senator Alex

00:19:48.220 Antic. I mean, I don't like care what happens in Australia beyond just a, you know, a distant

00:19:52.840 curiosity. I've never been there, although I'd like to go. The Aussies were very fun.

00:19:56.420 at the ARC forum, but man, I want Alex Antic to be the prime minister of Australia. That would

00:20:00.820 be fantastic. He is the guy who's like sticking it to the woke left there and made a point,

00:20:06.140 which I think is, I mean, the Australia indigenous issue is similar. It's different in a lot of ways,

00:20:11.100 but similar in a lot of ways in the overarching ways to what happens in Canada. And he's saying

00:20:16.100 point blank there, look, we should not have to be ashamed of our culture and our identity. And I

00:20:21.420 I think tell that to a country like Canada, which flew the flag at half mass for what was it, five, six months, I think, when all was said and done back in 2021.

00:20:30.500 So I thought Senator Alex Antic was fantastic in his comments, very much applicable to a Canadian audience.

00:20:36.800 That was one of my interviews from the ARC forum, which if you missed my shows last week, I was a lot less sick then.

00:20:44.560 So I would go back and like remember the glory days.

00:20:46.640 I might actually do that myself to put myself to sleep later on, where I was broadcasting live

00:20:51.940 from London through the week, the United Kingdom London, not London, Kentucky or London, Ontario.

00:20:57.840 And we spoke to some of the people there about these big ideas of liberty, of individualism,

00:21:04.180 of responsibility, these ideas that have galvanized this group of movers and thinkers from around

00:21:10.200 the world to come together with a bit of a different story than the World Economic Forum

00:21:14.980 likes to come together. And I said on the show last week when I was kind of wrapping it all up

00:21:20.100 that one of the big things here, one of the big commonalities that I saw was a resistance to

00:21:27.340 wokeness. So I chatted with a guy who we had on the show a few weeks ago, Professor Eric Kaufman,

00:21:32.840 a Canadian-born professor in the UK at the University of Buckingham, who is literally

00:21:37.740 teaching the course on wokeness about where things went so wrong.

00:21:42.380 So you have a unique advantage being a Canadian now working and teaching in the United Kingdom.

00:21:48.560 What would you say are the biggest differences between the two

00:21:51.140 when it comes to just the general landscape of free speech, academic freedom, wokeness?

00:21:56.720 Well, there's just more resistance in Britain against these things.

00:22:00.520 So you have, for example, the Free Speech Union,

00:22:02.620 which is going to back you up if you are trying, if you're cancelled in a university.

00:22:07.160 So that's one thing.

00:22:07.980 We've got government, because of the Tory government,

00:22:10.360 We've now got some legislation, which I've kind of helped on, called the Higher Education Free Speech Bill,

00:22:17.200 which means that if universities try and censor you, then they will be fined.

00:22:21.620 You can also take them to court.

00:22:23.780 So you have a number of different things, instruments at your disposal.

00:22:27.480 You've also got the media here, which is more balanced than in Canada, particularly on the print side.

00:22:32.120 And they will call out episodes of cancel culture and put pressure on universities that engage in this.

00:22:38.220 And all of those things are different.

00:22:40.160 My sense in Canada is that the dissidents, they are to some degree organized into self-help groups,

00:22:46.940 you know, maybe around heterodox academy branches.

00:22:50.240 But other than that, they've got no backing politically or in the media, really.

00:22:54.560 Other than you guys, of course, you're the only bright lights.

00:22:57.440 But there's no real mainstream media backing.

00:23:01.360 And so it's very hard to push back against this culture in these institutions.

00:23:06.340 I think the institutional aspect is so key.

00:23:08.920 I mean, obviously the UK has media bias issues like everywhere else, but there seems to be, I'd say, a larger volume of media outlets and also a greater scrappiness.

00:23:17.860 And I don't know if it just comes from the tabloid tradition or something else.

00:23:21.440 But when you talk about laying that groundwork for these challenges and for these fights, is the issue that the UK is just further ahead than Canada or has there been something else that speaks to that difference?

00:23:34.140 Well, there's a couple of things.

00:23:34.980 One is, I think, the U.K. has a long tradition of having a conservative print media, telegraph,

00:23:42.440 and even the Times and the tabloids, that doesn't exist in Canada.

00:23:46.120 I think they're much more willing to go on the offensive against high-sounding phrases around political correctness

00:23:52.640 that in Canada there's a lot of deference to that, and that gives cover for the institutions to go all in on this stuff

00:23:59.360 and be able to get away with it.

00:24:01.700 And I just don't think institutions in Britain that completely go all in on woke, that cancel people, can get away with it.

00:24:11.280 They will pay a cost in PR terms.

00:24:14.220 And my sense is that's not happening in Canada.

00:24:16.680 I also think probably within the culture in Canada, there is still, because of the post-1960s, what happened to Canada,

00:24:24.240 the end of the British identity, the rise of a kind of newly invented notion of Canada as a left-wing United States,

00:24:30.520 the multiculturalism act you had the soil prepared for political correctness a more of a monoculture

00:24:37.660 in a way that that here it was always a little bit more fractured and so i don't think political

00:24:42.640 correctness could really become the ethos of the country quite as strongly as in canada we've

00:24:48.060 actually spoken you and i on my own show but your your course on wokeness and now you're a couple

00:24:52.300 weeks in how's that been going well going well i mean it doesn't launch till january as i mentioned

00:24:56.680 before it's open it's an open online course to anybody um yeah we're advertising it we're now

00:25:01.340 starting to film and once we've got once we filmed episodes we're then going to circulate clips so

00:25:07.120 people get a sense of what what they can expect uh but yeah i think this is ripe for an analytical

00:25:13.360 approach that just says we're going to put this ideology and it is an ideology and woke is the

00:25:18.620 correct term for it we're going to put it on the table dissect it like it like we would fascism 0.66

00:25:24.020 like we would liberalism or any other ideology and then we're going to ask questions about

00:25:28.760 it.

00:25:29.760 So that's really the aim of this course because the way this is portrayed in institutions

00:25:34.260 is that this is very much just if you're a good person, these are the values everyone

00:25:38.880 believes in.

00:25:39.880 And what we're saying is, well, no, this is one of a bunch of ideologies and we're going

00:25:42.860 to look at it like we would one of any other ideologies.

00:25:45.880 And what are you hoping to get out of the ARC forum this week?

00:25:48.260 Well, I don't, I mean, it's such an eclectic mix.

00:25:51.800 I'm partly, you know, what ARC is, as it's been explained to me, is essentially an alternative to Davos.

00:25:58.520 So it's an alternative vision.

00:26:01.060 Now, there obviously are some aspects that overlap with Davos.

00:26:04.600 Davos is obviously corporate.

00:26:05.980 It obviously likes capitalism.

00:26:07.620 I mean, the difference here, I think, is there's a more questioning approach on speech issues, on the sort of, again, a lot of what I would call the woke agenda.

00:26:16.600 So equity, this idea that outcomes have to be exactly equal across race, gender and other identity groups is something that are clearly doesn't buy into.

00:26:26.200 And I'm interested to see how they question that.

00:26:28.900 Now, they're also questioning the environment, the environmental agenda.

00:26:32.400 And that's fine. That's part of their their remit as well.

00:26:35.180 But I'm more interested in what they've got to say on equity and diversity issues and how they are going to challenge that narrative.

00:26:42.060 that was uh professor well i should say the professor of wokeness but that that's different

00:26:49.580 than being the woke professor that was a professor eric kaufman from the university of buckingham a

00:26:55.700 canadian in britain and that's the one thing that's kind of interesting here is that every country

00:27:00.720 like oftentimes when i've talked about other countries in the world uh for what whatever

00:27:05.000 reason or another and i usually i focus on canadian politics you always get like the one

00:27:08.220 or two people in the comments that are like focus on Canada but that's the voice I read it in when

00:27:13.060 you say that so if you say focus on Canada even if you're like you know a kind like you know squeaky 0.85

00:27:17.140 voice you know younger lady uh I read it as why don't you focus on Canada but the uh that's 0.60

00:27:22.380 actually how my voice sounds right now anyway so never mind that but the thing about that is that

00:27:27.460 we need to be aware of the global trends into which we are fitting as a country and as a people

00:27:34.760 I mean, the Freedom Convoy was a Canadian story and it was a Canadian movement, but it needed to

00:27:39.700 be situated, I think, in a bit more of a global context. It was people around the world that

00:27:44.540 were dealing with these same issues. And one of the reasons that I've been so focused on the

00:27:49.220 World Economic Forum, for example, is because that's where we see this rise of the technocracy,

00:27:55.620 this rise of this global elite leadership class that diminishes the power of the individual.

00:28:02.100 And that is where the individual election in Canada, the individual election in the Netherlands, the individual election in Australia doesn't necessarily matter as much as what this global technocratic class is doing.

00:28:18.300 And it's amazing when you see the commonalities of how indigenous issues in Australia and Canada are working, how lockdowns in Australia and the UK and Canada were all manifesting.

00:28:28.740 And that's why I think it is important to be a bit more worldly about these things.

00:28:32.100 Now, obviously, it's not our job to change things in those individual countries.

00:28:36.820 But I think when we talk about communicating and discussing these issues, it needs to be

00:28:41.900 done globally, because I think you can actually have a global groundswell of support for freedom

00:28:47.740 and against wokeness.

00:28:49.240 And that will actually be able to, I think, better enable mobilization in individual countries.

00:28:54.480 So that's why I thought the forum was quite good.

00:28:56.620 I still promised a column on it that I'm working on.

00:28:59.200 Being sick kind of threw me back a few days on my schedule,

00:29:02.740 but I'll try to get that done actually after the show today.

00:29:05.620 We're going to do a bit of a shorter show today

00:29:07.320 because that is all my voice can withstand.

00:29:09.660 I hope we'll be a bit better tomorrow,

00:29:11.140 and I apologize that you had to listen to this version of my voice,

00:29:14.740 but I think we'll be better tomorrow.

00:29:16.280 So we'll see you in 23 and a half hours

00:29:18.360 with more of Canada's most irreverent talk show,

00:29:21.580 The Andrew Lawton Show on True North.

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Juno News - November 08, 2023

Canadian Anti-Hate Network won't look at left-wing hate

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