Juno News - Canadians should ignore government's ＂non-essential＂ travel advisory

00:00:00.000 Welcome to Canada's Most Irreverent Talk Show.

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00:00:12.680 Coming up, Canadians narrowly avoid new travel restrictions,

00:00:16.120 some courage from a Conservative MP,

00:00:18.260 and Shelley Glover on her legal challenge against the Manitoba PC leadership race.

00:00:24.640 The Andrew Lawton Show starts right now.

00:00:30.000 Welcome to the Andrew Lawton Show.

00:00:33.100 This is Canada's Most Irreverent Talk Show here on True North.

00:00:36.740 Thursday, December 16th, 2021, just nine days away from Christmas.

00:00:41.820 I know you are all so excited.

00:00:43.420 I can hear it, or at least I can hear you throwing chairs through the window

00:00:47.160 as you realize all the stuff you have to get done in nine days.

00:00:50.340 And to make matters worse, you don't even really have nine days to do it

00:00:52.620 because you can't get anything done on Christmas Eve or on Christmas Day.

00:00:56.060 So you've really just got a week.

00:00:57.500 And I realize, as I'm saying, that I may be motivating you

00:01:00.960 to just stop listening to the show and run out to the mall.

00:01:03.580 So you can just plug your earphones in, listen on the podcast,

00:01:07.040 and enjoy as you Christmas shop.

00:01:09.640 You can only listen to All I Want for Christmas Is You so many times

00:01:13.220 before you want the dulcet tones of the Andrew Lawton Show,

00:01:16.600 or at least so I choose to believe.

00:01:18.820 Maybe I, just depending on how the show goes and how many eggnogs I have,

00:01:22.140 maybe I should do All I Want for Christmas Is You.

00:01:24.500 That'll surely boost the numbers, not.

00:01:27.160 In any case, going to be talking later on in the program with Shelley Glover,

00:01:31.800 the runner-up in the Manitoba PC leadership race,

00:01:35.020 but who has taken a claim to court that suggests she was actually the winner of the race.

00:01:39.720 We'll talk about that court challenge with her later on.

00:01:43.060 But I want to first talk about the announcement that wasn't.

00:01:47.240 I mean, remember T.S. Eliot's The World Ends With a Whimper, Not a Bang?

00:01:51.040 This was kind of like the whimper of press conferences,

00:01:54.300 and I'm not dissatisfied with that,

00:01:56.500 because I was expecting the federal government this week

00:01:59.040 would come out with a wave of travel restrictions.

00:02:02.060 Brian Lilly had a report from government sources

00:02:04.580 talking about how the Trudeau government

00:02:06.260 was considering putting in quarantine again,

00:02:10.020 even for fully vaccinated travelers,

00:02:11.960 so that if you leave the country and come back,

00:02:14.460 you've got to do the whole two-week quarantine thing.

00:02:17.080 We had reports that the government was considering putting a ban on non-essential travel again,

00:02:23.340 which could conceivably force the United States

00:02:26.100 or encourage the United States to reimpose its ban

00:02:29.800 on Canadians traveling for non-essential reasons.

00:02:32.640 So all of these things were cooking around,

00:02:34.860 and it sounds like if I piece together all of these different stories

00:02:38.420 that are all quoting their own unnamed sources,

00:02:41.000 like the Trudeau government was prepared to go there

00:02:43.760 and then ultimately decided not to,

00:02:47.100 in part because of pushback from premiers.

00:02:49.840 Trudeau on Tuesday night had a call

00:02:52.060 that was apparently quite vibrant,

00:02:54.840 one might say,

00:02:55.660 with the premiers of the various provinces,

00:02:57.420 and it sounds like there was a lot of pushback

00:02:59.740 from plunging Canada right back into March 2020 travel restrictions.

00:03:04.500 So all of this is to say what the government kind of came out with

00:03:08.220 was just like a you better not travel with the finger.

00:03:12.920 You have to do it with the finger.

00:03:13.960 Otherwise, it's not really an admonition.

00:03:16.060 So they've come out with an advisory against non-essential travel.

00:03:20.800 Now, this is something that can be summarily ignored.

00:03:23.620 The government says it's going to watch things for the next four weeks,

00:03:26.840 so there's not going to be like a winter travel ban yet.

00:03:30.040 Although, believe me when I say I am not in the least holding my breath,

00:03:34.080 that such a thing won't be imposed later on.

00:03:38.140 So why this is worth noting here is that I'm going away.

00:03:42.240 I'm literally leaving the country on the weekend,

00:03:45.640 and no matter what the government,

00:03:46.920 I mean, I don't think any restriction would have stopped me from doing it.

00:03:50.660 I think even with quarantine, I would have said,

00:03:52.320 you know what, I'm going,

00:03:53.340 and when I came back, I would have just done what I wanted.

00:03:55.520 But I can confess to that now that there isn't the quarantine or anything.

00:03:59.540 But nothing would have stopped,

00:04:01.740 because at this point, the pandemic is over.

00:04:03.400 Like, the pandemic is absolutely over.

00:04:05.720 I've had it with the Omicron fear-mongering

00:04:08.040 that just does not align with the data that we are seeing

00:04:11.240 about Omicron and what it's doing.

00:04:13.500 I'm done with all these restrictions that are yo-yoing.

00:04:16.140 I'm done with all of these public health advisors

00:04:18.160 that model just the most terrifying scenarios that never come to pass,

00:04:22.640 yet still get to continually define the direction that we take

00:04:27.140 in our pandemic response.

00:04:28.980 And I think most Canadians are in the same boat.

00:04:32.020 And this is not political.

00:04:33.960 It used to be just like the fire-breathing libertarian types like me

00:04:37.160 that were done with this.

00:04:38.100 Now everyone is.

00:04:39.040 I'm hearing from people left, right, apolitical, political, doesn't matter.

00:04:42.880 People that are saying, yeah, I'm done with this.

00:04:45.800 Especially, especially when it comes to kids in schools.

00:04:49.400 So just starting with universities for a moment,

00:04:52.680 a number of schools in Ontario, like Queen's and Western,

00:04:56.200 University of Victoria out in BC,

00:04:58.460 other institutions have abandoned their in-person exams.

00:05:03.120 And they've said, okay, we're just going to do online exams.

00:05:05.280 At the drop of a hat, they flip over.

00:05:07.220 Some schools are already going further.

00:05:09.200 York University in Toronto has said that it's going to return

00:05:12.740 to online classes for at least the first few weeks of January.

00:05:17.240 So you already have some universities that are talking about

00:05:20.940 just writing off the return to in-person classes,

00:05:23.900 which I think is supposed to happen in like the first week of January.

00:05:26.360 There's not a huge delay there.

00:05:28.200 And now you've got in Ontario as well,

00:05:30.960 school boards that are telling students,

00:05:33.860 bring home all of your stuff.

00:05:36.300 Like elementary and secondary schools,

00:05:37.880 bring home all your stuff for Christmas

00:05:39.340 because you might not be coming back.

00:05:43.280 This is the kind of thing that should make people very nervous

00:05:46.920 because what all of these people are doing

00:05:48.960 is poising themselves for a return to March 2020.

00:05:52.080 We have the Omicron variant.

00:05:53.980 They're all pretending this is new.

00:05:56.340 They're all pretending that we are exactly where we were

00:05:58.940 nearly two years ago,

00:06:00.100 looking at footage out of Wuhan and being like,

00:06:02.440 oh, well, we don't know what we're dealing with.

00:06:03.980 So we got to shut down the border.

00:06:05.240 We've got to throw in a quarantine.

00:06:06.720 We've got to shut down schools.

00:06:08.060 We got to shut down offices.

00:06:09.340 And it just doesn't match with the facts.

00:06:13.100 It just does not match with the facts.

00:06:15.300 But there are people that are just so high on lockdown

00:06:18.980 that don't want to reopen.

00:06:22.020 They don't want to get back to normal.

00:06:24.520 They don't want life to go back to the old normal

00:06:27.180 because they have a lot more purpose.

00:06:29.120 I get all of these like lockdown happy science table directors

00:06:33.000 that are driving public policy,

00:06:36.180 that are telling people we need travel restrictions

00:06:38.220 and lockdowns and closed schools and all of that.

00:06:40.140 All of these people have more purpose during the pandemic

00:06:42.980 than they've ever had in their life.

00:06:45.320 And they're merchants of doom.

00:06:47.280 That's what they are.

00:06:48.680 They're merchants of doom.

00:06:50.040 And that's working for them

00:06:51.360 because they're selling what a lot of people

00:06:54.040 in the media and in government are buying.

00:06:56.020 They're buying the doom.

00:06:57.360 There's a good market for doom.

00:06:58.720 You know what?

00:06:59.040 I wish I bought stocks in doom

00:07:00.360 because doom is about the best asset you can have right now

00:07:03.440 in your portfolio

00:07:04.600 because it just keeps coming and coming and coming.

00:07:08.260 So these merchants of doom,

00:07:10.600 profits of doom too,

00:07:11.640 but I think merchants kind of effectively characterizes it

00:07:15.800 because they are profiting off of it

00:07:17.520 in fame and notoriety and money.

00:07:19.380 What they're doing

00:07:20.320 is keeping the rest of us indefinitely locked down

00:07:24.140 for their own purpose.

00:07:26.240 And a lot of people I've said have kind of internalized this.

00:07:30.060 They've developed Stockholm syndrome.

00:07:31.680 They enjoy it.

00:07:32.980 They look to these people and say,

00:07:34.680 oh, dear leaders,

00:07:35.700 are you going to give us more lockdown?

00:07:37.580 I don't want the freedom.

00:07:38.740 I want the vaccine passport. 0.99

00:07:40.080 I want the shutdown.

00:07:40.980 I want the restrictions.

00:07:42.160 But that's even that is,

00:07:43.860 I'm slightly hopeful.

00:07:45.960 I say slightly starting to change.

00:07:49.480 People seem to be resisting this now

00:07:52.840 a lot more than they were even a few weeks ago.

00:07:56.520 And to be honest,

00:07:57.360 I think the linchpin of all of this

00:07:59.500 is the effect on kids in schools.

00:08:03.260 Because parents are,

00:08:04.240 I mean, adults can withstand a lot

00:08:06.040 and will withstand a lot.

00:08:07.820 Same as vaccine mandates.

00:08:09.140 A lot of adults that don't want to get

00:08:10.420 the COVID vaccines themselves

00:08:11.720 will get it if it means that

00:08:13.440 that's what they have to do

00:08:14.660 to go to a restaurant or to do whatever.

00:08:16.840 But the line in the sand is kids.

00:08:18.520 They're not getting their kids vaccinated.

00:08:20.100 Adults are very protective of their children.

00:08:21.940 So when there's talk about kids

00:08:24.820 not being able to go back to school,

00:08:26.860 kids being robbed of yet another school year,

00:08:29.640 a lot of parents are saying,

00:08:30.860 no, this is the last straw.

00:08:32.020 I'm just not going along with this.

00:08:33.860 I'm not playing ball.

00:08:36.200 And that's going to be something

00:08:37.480 that's very important to watch.

00:08:39.040 But I maintain that people

00:08:40.760 are finally starting to push back.

00:08:42.740 Again, not hugely.

00:08:44.060 We're not talking about mass protests

00:08:46.360 of normal apolitical people,

00:08:48.240 although we have seen some of that.

00:08:50.100 I'm talking about just people

00:08:51.560 that are kind of just on the cusp.

00:08:54.780 They're on the cusp.

00:08:55.780 And if government comes out

00:08:56.800 with another very draconian measure,

00:08:59.000 like the federal travel restrictions

00:09:00.840 could have been,

00:09:01.880 and it sounds like nearly were,

00:09:03.520 that would, I suspect at this point,

00:09:05.780 be enough to put people over the edge.

00:09:08.280 I think if Canadian families

00:09:10.220 are robbed of another Christmas,

00:09:12.480 that's going to push a lot of people

00:09:14.120 over the edge.

00:09:14.720 I think if a lot of students

00:09:16.360 are robbed of the ability

00:09:17.680 to go back to school in January,

00:09:18.940 that is going to push

00:09:20.120 a lot of people over the edge.

00:09:21.620 And it's just teetering.

00:09:23.240 It's just teetering.

00:09:24.320 It's almost there.

00:09:25.120 It's not there entirely.

00:09:26.420 And the moment could pass.

00:09:28.100 The moment could pass.

00:09:29.100 But right now,

00:09:30.060 I think governing officials

00:09:31.200 have to be very, very careful

00:09:33.740 about how they navigate

00:09:36.020 the next few weeks,

00:09:37.980 given where people are right now.

00:09:39.940 And this is something,

00:09:40.700 and again, it's entirely anecdotal.

00:09:42.820 I don't have data to back this up.

00:09:44.540 I'm just talking about this

00:09:45.920 based on what I've seen

00:09:46.980 and heard from people

00:09:47.780 in my orbits and my circles.

00:09:49.640 And do email me,

00:09:50.500 andrew at andrewlaughton.ca.

00:09:52.320 I'm curious if the same thing

00:09:54.220 is something that you're witnessing

00:09:55.420 in your own circles.

00:09:57.100 Do you find that people

00:09:58.080 that previously were okay with this

00:09:59.740 or were okay to go along with it,

00:10:01.200 at least,

00:10:01.800 are finally feeling

00:10:03.540 like they've had enough?

00:10:05.260 Or perhaps am I in

00:10:06.380 a little bit of an echo chamber?

00:10:07.620 I don't know.

00:10:08.500 I'm not making this claim

00:10:09.820 in a way that I would put,

00:10:11.120 you know,

00:10:11.360 10,000 bucks on it

00:10:12.560 and say I'm right.

00:10:13.780 It's just something

00:10:14.560 that I'm noticing

00:10:15.260 and I'm slightly hopeful about.

00:10:18.040 But I'm qualifying that

00:10:19.340 by putting the emphasis

00:10:20.900 on the slightly.

00:10:22.520 One thing I will say on this too,

00:10:24.460 because again,

00:10:24.920 the federal government's position

00:10:26.400 right now is just

00:10:27.860 you better not travel

00:10:29.320 if it's not essential.

00:10:30.440 But I mean,

00:10:31.080 ultimately,

00:10:31.380 you get to decide for yourself.

00:10:32.780 Like I may think of Hawaii.

00:10:33.980 I'm not going to Hawaii.

00:10:35.000 Actually,

00:10:35.220 I should go to Hawaii.

00:10:36.020 That's not essential

00:10:36.960 to a lot of people.

00:10:37.820 But if I decide I want to go,

00:10:39.520 you better believe

00:10:40.160 it's going to be essential

00:10:41.200 if the government is saying

00:10:42.500 that all non-essential travel

00:10:44.200 should be ceased.

00:10:46.160 But what is going to happen here

00:10:48.140 is the government

00:10:49.340 is going to find

00:10:50.020 that people are not going

00:10:50.840 to cancel their vacations

00:10:52.140 based on just the finger wagging.

00:10:53.980 You better not go anywhere.

00:10:55.260 So that is potentially

00:10:56.700 going to cause them

00:10:57.720 to ramp things up.

00:10:59.360 But again,

00:11:00.040 if the government

00:11:00.580 is looking at a political climate

00:11:01.920 that's shifting,

00:11:02.580 that may,

00:11:03.680 may cause them

00:11:04.600 to take a step back.

00:11:05.340 I don't have a lot of hope on this,

00:11:06.980 but something to watch.

00:11:09.240 Now,

00:11:09.460 interestingly enough,

00:11:10.220 I got to give a credit

00:11:11.080 where it's due here

00:11:11.780 because I found

00:11:12.860 that the conservatives

00:11:13.820 have just been completely

00:11:15.320 and utterly silent

00:11:16.560 on a lot of the big issues,

00:11:18.820 the issues that really matter,

00:11:20.520 like vaccine mandates,

00:11:22.120 like vaccine passports,

00:11:23.540 like travel restrictions.

00:11:24.560 They've been,

00:11:25.200 they've been kind of just opposing

00:11:26.560 for the sake of opposing.

00:11:28.160 And in some cases,

00:11:29.240 not even.

00:11:30.380 I mean,

00:11:30.780 Aaron O'Toole has,

00:11:32.260 was taking pride

00:11:33.240 in the fact

00:11:33.720 that his view

00:11:34.480 on Bill 21,

00:11:36.340 which is the horrifically

00:11:37.820 anti-religious freedom bill

00:11:39.280 in Quebec,

00:11:40.140 his position is the same

00:11:41.340 as the prime minister's.

00:11:42.160 That was his defense.

00:11:43.380 Yeah, yeah,

00:11:43.760 I think the same as Trudeau.

00:11:45.040 I'm not taking a stand

00:11:46.000 for religious liberty on this

00:11:47.740 because again,

00:11:48.340 Quebec can do no wrong

00:11:49.700 in the eyes

00:11:50.780 of the political class.

00:11:52.920 And I talked about

00:11:53.860 earlier on in the show,

00:11:55.100 I think it was

00:11:55.480 about three,

00:11:56.260 four weeks back,

00:11:57.280 that all of the conservatives

00:11:58.920 that were in a position

00:12:00.280 to speak out

00:12:00.840 against vaccine mandates

00:12:01.800 were conveniently sidelined.

00:12:03.940 You may remember

00:12:04.640 I talked about

00:12:05.340 the sheer volume

00:12:06.640 of MPs

00:12:07.340 in the conservative caucus

00:12:08.360 who were given

00:12:08.860 shadow cabinet roles,

00:12:10.460 deputy shadow cabinet roles,

00:12:12.020 leadership positions.

00:12:12.880 And it was just

00:12:13.780 a small subset,

00:12:15.780 a small subset

00:12:16.820 who were not,

00:12:17.500 I think it was about

00:12:17.980 a third

00:12:18.480 that were denied

00:12:19.780 some portfolio.

00:12:21.460 And of those,

00:12:22.780 of the unaligned,

00:12:24.220 the unaffiliated,

00:12:25.420 one of them gave

00:12:26.480 a very passionate defense

00:12:28.220 of individual choice,

00:12:30.220 of people that are

00:12:31.100 losing their jobs

00:12:31.920 because of vaccine mandates.

00:12:33.100 That was Jeremy Patser,

00:12:34.500 a backbench conservative MP.

00:12:36.860 And you can see him,

00:12:37.420 you can see in the video

00:12:38.220 I'm about to show you,

00:12:39.320 they shove him like

00:12:40.240 to the way,

00:12:40.880 way, way back.

00:12:41.660 Like he's right up

00:12:42.300 against the wall.

00:12:43.020 I don't even think

00:12:43.500 he can lean back

00:12:44.220 in his chair

00:12:45.120 without hitting the wall.

00:12:46.440 That's how little

00:12:47.160 the conservatives

00:12:47.720 want to hear

00:12:48.440 what this guy has to say.

00:12:49.820 But he took a stand.

00:12:51.020 He took a stand

00:12:51.760 in a statement given

00:12:52.800 in the House of Commons.

00:12:53.960 Take a look.

00:12:54.720 Mr. Speaker,

00:12:55.420 I rise in the House today

00:12:56.380 on behalf of thousands

00:12:57.340 of workers across Canada,

00:12:58.740 from members of our military

00:13:00.180 to first responders,

00:13:01.640 nurses,

00:13:02.220 to educators,

00:13:03.360 to janitorial staff

00:13:04.480 who have or are facing

00:13:05.880 the loss of their jobs

00:13:06.900 as a result of vaccine mandates.

00:13:09.080 These are our neighbors,

00:13:10.360 our colleagues,

00:13:11.020 our fellow citizens,

00:13:12.100 many who have sacrificed

00:13:13.160 and given so much

00:13:14.180 to build up our country

00:13:15.220 and many who have served us

00:13:16.640 throughout the worst

00:13:17.260 of this pandemic.

00:13:18.580 Yet now,

00:13:19.040 in the blink of an eye,

00:13:20.080 these same individuals

00:13:21.020 that we once praised

00:13:21.960 as heroes

00:13:22.560 are being treated

00:13:23.760 as second-class citizens

00:13:25.300 for a decision

00:13:26.040 that every Canadian

00:13:27.160 should have the freedom

00:13:28.320 to make for themselves.

00:13:29.500 And to add insult to injury,

00:13:31.900 this government

00:13:32.560 is denying them EI,

00:13:34.100 money that they have

00:13:34.820 long contributed to

00:13:35.900 and is rightfully theirs.

00:13:37.820 Mr. Speaker,

00:13:38.880 it's a disgrace

00:13:39.700 to see how this Liberal government

00:13:41.220 is intent on stripping

00:13:42.600 Canadians of their dignity

00:13:43.780 and sending a rift of division

00:13:45.540 from coast to coast.

00:13:47.600 To all the Canadians

00:13:48.380 who have lost their jobs

00:13:49.580 and to all the constituents

00:13:50.740 who have written out,

00:13:52.040 I hear you

00:13:52.780 and I will continue

00:13:53.720 to stand for you

00:13:54.560 and for this country,

00:13:55.980 the true north,

00:13:57.160 strong and free.

00:13:59.500 The Honourable Member

00:14:01.560 for New Market,

00:14:02.900 Aurora.

00:14:03.400 And I don't know if you noted,

00:14:04.280 Jeremy Patzer

00:14:05.160 got two standing ovations

00:14:06.600 from the MPs

00:14:07.640 on either side of him,

00:14:08.760 also on the

00:14:10.280 no-portfolio list

00:14:12.220 that I've put together

00:14:13.100 of Conservative MPs.

00:14:14.480 One of them,

00:14:14.840 Chris Workington,

00:14:15.620 who has been fairly vocal

00:14:17.140 in speaking up

00:14:18.400 against the leadership issues

00:14:19.720 in the Conservative caucus.

00:14:21.400 But he took a stand.

00:14:22.840 And you know what?

00:14:23.420 Good on Jeremy Patzer.

00:14:24.540 I don't know how long

00:14:25.300 he's going to be

00:14:25.880 kicking around

00:14:26.500 in the Conservative caucus.

00:14:27.740 If he starts talking

00:14:29.040 about things like freedom

00:14:30.060 and civil liberties,

00:14:30.980 he might not have a place

00:14:31.880 in the Conservative caucus

00:14:33.440 at this point.

00:14:34.140 I certainly hope

00:14:35.020 I'm wrong about that,

00:14:36.000 but good on him

00:14:36.660 for taking a stand.

00:14:38.800 Again,

00:14:39.180 all of the people

00:14:39.860 that we were supposed

00:14:41.260 to bang our pots and pans

00:14:43.000 and clang our household 0.81

00:14:44.540 implements to support,

00:14:46.120 all of a sudden,

00:14:47.140 they are the people

00:14:47.940 we're supposed to

00:14:48.540 shove out to the curb

00:14:49.260 if they don't want

00:14:49.780 to get vaccinated

00:14:50.380 against COVID

00:14:51.040 for whatever reason.

00:14:52.200 It doesn't matter

00:14:52.660 what that reason is.

00:14:53.640 We just do not allow people 1.00

00:14:54.900 to make their own choices now.

00:14:57.360 A lot of good feedback

00:14:58.240 to my interview

00:14:59.240 earlier this week

00:15:00.100 with Julie Panessi

00:15:01.020 about that very idea.

00:15:02.500 She said,

00:15:02.860 no, I'm not anti-vax,

00:15:04.000 I'm anti-vaccine mandate.

00:15:05.900 And we have a political climate

00:15:07.260 and culture

00:15:07.760 that assists on

00:15:08.600 conflating those two.

00:15:10.020 So when there is

00:15:10.780 the rare voice

00:15:11.820 in a political party

00:15:13.100 speaking up against

00:15:14.160 that narrative,

00:15:15.240 I think they deserve

00:15:15.880 to be commended.

00:15:16.700 So well done,

00:15:17.840 Jeremy Patzer.

00:15:18.700 We've got to take a break here.

00:15:20.700 When we come back,

00:15:21.640 more of the Andrew Lawton Show

00:15:22.720 here on True North.

00:15:23.600 You're tuned in

00:15:27.800 to the Andrew Lawton Show.

00:15:32.060 Welcome back

00:15:32.860 to the Andrew Lawton Show

00:15:34.280 here on True North.

00:15:35.540 Going to take a little bit

00:15:36.700 of a jaunt

00:15:37.120 one province west

00:15:38.300 of my current locale

00:15:39.460 to Manitoba.

00:15:41.180 Interestingly enough,

00:15:42.100 maybe it's not interesting

00:15:43.300 to you,

00:15:43.980 but it's interesting to me.

00:15:45.800 Barely, actually.

00:15:46.720 I don't know why I'm sharing it,

00:15:47.580 but now I have to

00:15:48.220 because I've started

00:15:48.780 down this road.

00:15:50.160 Manitoba is the only province

00:15:52.080 in Confederation

00:15:53.260 I've not visited.

00:15:54.640 Now, I haven't done

00:15:55.420 two of the three territories.

00:15:57.020 I've not done

00:15:57.500 Nunavut or Northwest Territories,

00:15:58.720 but I've been to

00:15:59.120 every single province

00:16:00.120 except Manitoba.

00:16:02.240 And one of my friends

00:16:03.040 said on principle,

00:16:04.340 I should just avoid

00:16:05.260 going to Manitoba

00:16:06.120 and just like leave that

00:16:07.100 as like the whole

00:16:07.720 in Central Canada

00:16:08.560 that I've never been to.

00:16:10.060 I don't know.

00:16:10.640 I mean, if I am going

00:16:11.500 to go to Manitoba,

00:16:12.160 I don't want it to be right now,

00:16:13.380 but I'll happily talk

00:16:14.220 to someone from Manitoba.

00:16:16.160 The PC party of Manitoba

00:16:18.580 had a leadership race

00:16:19.900 culminating on October 30th

00:16:22.400 at which Heather Stephenson,

00:16:24.420 a longtime MLA,

00:16:25.880 was crowned not just

00:16:27.440 the leader of the PCs,

00:16:28.480 but also the premier

00:16:29.540 of Manitoba,

00:16:31.000 replacing Brian Pallister,

00:16:32.740 who had stepped down earlier.

00:16:35.300 The race was fraught

00:16:37.000 with allegations

00:16:37.860 of irregularities.

00:16:38.980 You had members

00:16:39.540 not receiving their ballots

00:16:40.640 by mail.

00:16:41.300 You had discrepancies

00:16:42.080 about the count.

00:16:42.860 You had all of these things

00:16:44.580 that ultimately led

00:16:45.740 to Shelley Glover,

00:16:47.000 who was the runner-up

00:16:48.200 by a very small march

00:16:49.720 and saying that

00:16:50.680 she was basically robbed

00:16:52.540 out of a victory

00:16:53.800 that was hers.

00:16:54.860 She brought a claim to court

00:16:56.180 that was heard

00:16:57.160 by a judge last week

00:16:58.860 with a decision

00:16:59.460 expected any day now.

00:17:01.360 Shelley Glover,

00:17:02.000 the former Conservative

00:17:02.980 Member of Parliament

00:17:03.780 and former PC leadership

00:17:05.120 candidate,

00:17:05.720 joins me now.

00:17:06.760 Shelley, good to talk to you.

00:17:07.720 Thanks for coming on today.

00:17:09.680 Yeah, I'm happy to be here.

00:17:10.940 Thank you for calling.

00:17:11.760 So I want to go back

00:17:13.260 to the basics here.

00:17:14.340 Obviously,

00:17:15.120 when you are seeking

00:17:16.540 the leadership

00:17:17.260 of a governing party,

00:17:18.960 the stakes are a lot higher

00:17:20.140 than they are

00:17:20.780 in normal leadership races

00:17:22.500 because you aren't just

00:17:23.260 going to the top of the party,

00:17:24.700 but you're going to

00:17:25.600 directly into the premier seat

00:17:27.160 if you win.

00:17:28.380 Why did you want to get

00:17:29.680 in this race

00:17:30.260 in the first place?

00:17:32.620 Okay, well,

00:17:33.620 Andrew,

00:17:34.920 the race originally

00:17:37.500 started off

00:17:40.020 with an appearance

00:17:42.560 as if some people

00:17:44.740 in the party

00:17:45.400 were wanting

00:17:46.980 to keep everyone out.

00:17:48.640 Okay, so

00:17:49.180 I got a phone call

00:17:51.180 from one of the people

00:17:53.720 who was actually involved

00:17:54.940 in that ploy

00:17:57.820 and he told me

00:18:01.280 that this plan

00:18:02.700 had been underway

00:18:03.560 for some time.

00:18:05.640 Of course,

00:18:05.960 I was shocked

00:18:06.780 and thought,

00:18:07.660 you know,

00:18:08.200 this could never happen

00:18:09.480 in my party,

00:18:10.280 but unfortunately,

00:18:12.680 he suggested

00:18:13.860 I watch

00:18:14.620 for a,

00:18:15.740 an announcement

00:18:18.720 by one of the MLAs

00:18:21.080 and it would include

00:18:22.540 mostly all of the other MLAs

00:18:25.300 endorsing that person.

00:18:27.560 So, of course,

00:18:28.660 I did see that happen

00:18:30.240 and I did see

00:18:32.780 the rules come out

00:18:33.660 shortly thereafter,

00:18:34.860 which were orchestrated

00:18:36.420 and manipulated

00:18:37.480 by the MLAs

00:18:39.040 and executive council

00:18:41.180 so that they increased

00:18:43.000 the entry fee

00:18:43.860 to $25,000

00:18:45.560 and only $5,000

00:18:46.640 refundable

00:18:47.320 and shortened the race

00:18:49.240 to a 60-day race

00:18:51.000 from what's normally

00:18:51.740 a six-month race

00:18:52.780 and that was an attempt,

00:18:55.040 an obvious attempt

00:18:55.800 to keep everybody

00:18:56.580 out of the race

00:18:57.160 and I don't believe in that.

00:18:58.640 I believe our party

00:18:59.380 needed a race.

00:19:00.820 I believe we were

00:19:02.220 very much in need

00:19:03.460 of new members,

00:19:04.680 new money,

00:19:05.740 excitement for the party

00:19:07.020 because we were

00:19:07.840 really down in the polls

00:19:09.420 given some of the things

00:19:11.880 that Manitobans

00:19:13.260 disliked about

00:19:14.160 our former Premier

00:19:15.780 Brian Pallister.

00:19:17.360 So, this was an opportunity

00:19:18.640 in my mind

00:19:19.400 to get the party

00:19:21.660 back to a place

00:19:22.800 where we were judged

00:19:23.840 in a new way

00:19:25.400 and unfortunately

00:19:26.800 a coronation

00:19:28.540 was underway

00:19:29.360 and I decided

00:19:31.020 to run with many others

00:19:32.340 that I had encouraged

00:19:33.240 to run

00:19:33.720 in an effort

00:19:35.080 to stop

00:19:36.200 the coronation

00:19:37.020 and make sure

00:19:37.860 that our party

00:19:38.400 benefited from

00:19:39.200 the advantages

00:19:39.800 of having this race.

00:19:41.420 And then we fast forward

00:19:42.740 to the day

00:19:43.640 the results were announced

00:19:44.820 on October 30th

00:19:46.280 so just about

00:19:46.780 six weeks ago

00:19:47.700 and out of 16,000

00:19:49.440 some odd ballots cast

00:19:50.700 the official tally

00:19:51.900 had MLA Heather Stephenson

00:19:53.760 now the Premier

00:19:54.640 of Manitoba

00:19:55.420 with a lead

00:19:56.960 above you

00:19:57.460 by 363 votes.

00:19:59.700 Now, I want to bring us

00:20:01.020 up to speed here

00:20:01.840 because you obviously

00:20:02.700 were in court

00:20:03.840 your lawyer was arguing

00:20:04.900 that there were

00:20:05.840 a number of irregularities

00:20:07.000 that the count

00:20:07.620 basically was not valid

00:20:09.260 so just in the interest

00:20:10.420 of clarity

00:20:10.860 your position

00:20:11.460 is that you should

00:20:12.540 be the Premier

00:20:13.060 right now, correct?

00:20:15.120 Well, of course

00:20:15.740 I was not sworn in

00:20:18.300 as Premier

00:20:18.720 but I believe

00:20:19.660 I was the Premier

00:20:20.640 designate

00:20:21.300 I believe I won

00:20:22.340 that election

00:20:23.000 and it's based

00:20:24.560 on a number of things

00:20:25.840 and just remember

00:20:27.820 that, you know

00:20:28.880 the ploy

00:20:30.220 to keep everyone

00:20:31.040 out of this race 1.00

00:20:32.020 continued right

00:20:33.580 through to the end

00:20:34.580 in fact

00:20:36.200 I was sitting there

00:20:41.220 listening to the results

00:20:42.340 knowing that my magic number

00:20:44.520 which we all know

00:20:45.260 is however many ballots

00:20:47.620 were to be counted

00:20:48.680 half of that

00:20:50.360 plus one

00:20:51.340 is the magic number

00:20:52.620 that any candidate

00:20:53.520 looks at

00:20:54.440 before hearing

00:20:56.420 the results

00:20:57.160 because

00:20:57.660 you know

00:20:59.060 what number

00:20:59.640 you need

00:21:00.580 to win

00:21:01.100 in doing that math

00:21:02.920 so my magic number

00:21:04.460 was in fact

00:21:07.100 8,023

00:21:09.820 and so

00:21:11.420 when they announced

00:21:13.360 8,042

00:21:15.000 I thought I had won

00:21:17.100 and then all of a sudden

00:21:19.520 they announced

00:21:21.080 Heather Stephenson

00:21:21.920 as having

00:21:22.500 8,405

00:21:23.920 and I couldn't

00:21:25.380 understand

00:21:26.080 where these extra

00:21:27.080 500 votes

00:21:27.800 came from

00:21:28.260 so that's why

00:21:29.280 we ended up

00:21:29.820 in court

00:21:30.320 not only that

00:21:32.400 I mean ballots

00:21:33.160 didn't get out

00:21:33.740 to people

00:21:34.280 mainly my

00:21:35.260 voters

00:21:36.320 there were a number

00:21:38.480 of irregularities

00:21:39.540 including taking

00:21:40.340 the ballot boxes

00:21:41.300 out of the room

00:21:42.300 unsealed

00:21:43.140 even though

00:21:43.680 our

00:21:44.160 scrutineers

00:21:46.800 demanded

00:21:47.300 that they be

00:21:47.960 sealed

00:21:48.340 and you know

00:21:50.240 continuity

00:21:50.740 wasn't maintained

00:21:51.600 because our

00:21:52.020 scrutineers

00:21:52.460 weren't allowed

00:21:52.900 to follow

00:21:53.400 the ballots

00:21:53.940 out of the room

00:21:54.660 it was just

00:21:56.000 it was a mess

00:21:56.940 so I'm waiting

00:21:58.660 for a court

00:21:59.480 decision on Friday

00:22:00.680 and hopefully

00:22:01.980 we will see

00:22:03.060 this fixed

00:22:04.200 now your magic

00:22:06.360 number

00:22:06.880 so you

00:22:07.640 you reach this

00:22:08.440 by 50%

00:22:09.440 plus one

00:22:10.160 of the ballots

00:22:11.000 cast presumably

00:22:11.800 how did you get

00:22:12.600 that ballot

00:22:13.620 cast

00:22:14.120 ballots cast number

00:22:15.120 because that seems

00:22:15.840 to be a key

00:22:16.660 discrepancy here

00:22:17.840 between your case

00:22:19.280 and the PC

00:22:19.960 party's case

00:22:20.660 how many ballots

00:22:21.320 were actually cast

00:22:22.280 and the source

00:22:23.120 of that number

00:22:23.760 well you know

00:22:25.240 we received

00:22:27.500 at

00:22:27.900 it was

00:22:29.160 12 27

00:22:30.320 a.m

00:22:31.180 the day of the vote

00:22:32.260 so October 30th

00:22:33.320 we received

00:22:34.180 the final

00:22:35.300 voting list

00:22:36.460 and that's what

00:22:37.300 it was called

00:22:37.940 the final voting

00:22:39.200 list

00:22:39.560 from

00:22:40.900 the PC

00:22:42.360 party

00:22:42.780 from Stu

00:22:43.920 Charles

00:22:44.400 when you

00:22:45.920 when you look

00:22:46.380 when you look

00:22:46.400 at that final

00:22:47.020 list

00:22:47.340 16,045

00:22:48.860 is the number

00:22:49.900 of voters

00:22:50.740 who cast

00:22:51.760 ballots

00:22:52.440 and so

00:22:54.500 and then

00:22:55.100 at 1 54

00:22:57.340 a.m

00:22:58.160 same day

00:22:59.240 we even got

00:23:00.140 a breakdown

00:23:01.220 from a PC

00:23:02.780 party

00:23:03.180 member

00:23:04.200 that's Jason

00:23:04.800 Hamlin

00:23:05.340 a breakdown

00:23:06.640 of every day

00:23:07.860 that

00:23:08.300 our scrutineers

00:23:10.060 had attended

00:23:10.700 to

00:23:11.480 Scarrow and

00:23:12.920 Donald

00:23:13.140 which is

00:23:13.820 our

00:23:14.720 the party's

00:23:16.980 accounting firm

00:23:18.020 for over 20

00:23:18.920 years

00:23:19.300 and

00:23:20.720 that

00:23:22.300 that seemed

00:23:23.280 to suggest

00:23:23.740 as well

00:23:24.180 that

00:23:24.480 we were

00:23:25.240 nowhere near

00:23:26.240 that number

00:23:27.440 that was

00:23:28.220 presented

00:23:28.720 as the final

00:23:29.720 results

00:23:30.280 the night

00:23:31.020 of the counting

00:23:31.600 and

00:23:31.980 I can tell

00:23:32.940 you

00:23:33.300 my

00:23:34.980 co-campaign

00:23:35.960 manager

00:23:36.520 Lawrence

00:23:37.240 had been

00:23:37.820 at every

00:23:38.300 one of

00:23:38.700 those

00:23:39.060 meetings

00:23:40.000 to verify

00:23:40.580 votes

00:23:41.000 etc

00:23:41.340 except

00:23:41.640 for two

00:23:42.240 and Dale

00:23:42.860 smelts

00:23:43.560 from my

00:23:43.960 team

00:23:44.300 was there

00:23:44.620 those two

00:23:45.080 days

00:23:45.340 and our

00:23:45.840 numbers

00:23:46.180 all added

00:23:46.700 up

00:23:46.940 very similarly

00:23:48.020 to

00:23:48.620 Jason

00:23:49.540 Hamlin

00:23:50.060 so

00:23:50.420 we actually

00:23:52.460 had numbers

00:23:53.580 all over the

00:23:54.120 place

00:23:54.400 I mean

00:23:54.700 we had

00:23:55.120 Jason

00:23:55.420 Hamlin

00:23:55.900 we had

00:23:56.540 what the

00:23:57.460 party said

00:23:57.980 was the

00:23:58.300 number

00:23:58.600 we had

00:23:59.800 the final

00:24:00.920 voting list

00:24:01.740 number

00:24:02.220 we had

00:24:03.100 the results

00:24:04.020 in the

00:24:04.580 room

00:24:04.980 from our

00:24:05.880 lead

00:24:06.300 scrutineer

00:24:06.820 who had

00:24:07.060 gone to

00:24:07.380 every

00:24:07.580 table

00:24:07.900 and added

00:24:08.360 all of

00:24:08.700 those

00:24:08.840 up

00:24:09.100 that was

00:24:10.160 another

00:24:10.460 number

00:24:10.860 and

00:24:11.200 even

00:24:12.440 in the

00:24:12.900 room

00:24:13.200 even

00:24:13.960 Heather's

00:24:14.780 own

00:24:15.160 scrutineers

00:24:15.900 added up

00:24:16.760 all the

00:24:17.140 numbers

00:24:17.540 from the

00:24:18.160 ballots

00:24:19.460 that had

00:24:20.140 been

00:24:20.440 counted

00:24:21.240 because we

00:24:21.780 had tally

00:24:22.180 sheets

00:24:22.480 at every

00:24:22.820 table

00:24:23.180 and

00:24:23.980 they

00:24:24.540 were

00:24:24.760 upset

00:24:25.180 because

00:24:25.600 they

00:24:25.880 realized

00:24:26.640 that

00:24:27.520 she

00:24:27.720 had

00:24:27.900 lost

00:24:28.340 so

00:24:29.140 I

00:24:29.680 was

00:24:29.880 actually

00:24:30.180 the

00:24:30.340 winner

00:24:30.540 in

00:24:30.740 that

00:24:30.940 room

00:24:31.260 for

00:24:31.600 two

00:24:31.820 hours

00:24:32.180 while

00:24:32.380 they

00:24:32.540 locked

00:24:32.800 them

00:24:32.960 in

00:24:33.120 there

00:24:33.340 so

00:24:34.020 this

00:24:34.920 is

00:24:35.200 highly

00:24:35.960 unusual

00:24:36.480 and

00:24:36.860 irregular

00:24:37.300 and

00:24:37.920 this

00:24:38.160 is

00:24:38.320 why

00:24:38.680 it

00:24:39.160 led

00:24:39.360 to

00:24:39.580 this

00:24:39.820 court

00:24:40.080 case

00:24:40.360 that

00:24:40.560 we

00:24:40.720 are

00:24:40.880 now

00:24:41.160 waiting

00:24:41.460 for

00:24:41.660 decision

00:24:42.080 on

00:24:42.320 now

00:24:43.300 the

00:24:43.480 party's

00:24:44.000 defense

00:24:44.580 of the

00:24:45.300 discrepancy

00:24:46.000 on the

00:24:46.340 membership

00:24:46.740 list

00:24:47.200 was basically

00:24:48.160 incompetence

00:24:49.020 they just

00:24:49.360 said oh

00:24:49.700 no we

00:24:50.080 released a

00:24:51.040 list that

00:24:51.480 was full

00:24:52.120 of mistakes

00:24:52.800 here

00:24:53.040 now

00:24:53.260 I mean

00:24:53.800 generally

00:24:54.160 speaking

00:24:54.540 when you

00:24:54.820 have

00:24:55.020 something

00:24:55.260 like this

00:24:55.680 you're

00:24:55.980 talking

00:24:56.320 about

00:24:56.640 malice

00:24:57.140 or

00:24:57.360 incompetence

00:24:58.280 you

00:24:58.460 don't

00:24:58.720 buy

00:24:59.100 that

00:24:59.760 it

00:24:59.880 was

00:25:00.100 just

00:25:00.460 the

00:25:00.740 latter

00:25:01.120 in

00:25:01.320 this

00:25:01.480 case

00:25:01.860 I

00:25:03.300 don't

00:25:03.480 buy

00:25:03.720 it

00:25:03.960 and

00:25:04.240 here's

00:25:04.480 why

00:25:04.760 Andrew

00:25:05.100 so

00:25:06.200 from

00:25:06.700 day

00:25:06.920 one

00:25:07.300 we

00:25:08.120 tried

00:25:08.940 to

00:25:09.100 follow

00:25:09.320 every

00:25:09.580 rule

00:25:09.760 you know

00:25:10.040 I'm

00:25:10.220 a law

00:25:10.500 and order

00:25:10.840 person

00:25:11.240 having

00:25:11.620 served

00:25:12.360 28 years

00:25:12.980 with the

00:25:13.320 Winnipeg

00:25:13.700 police

00:25:13.980 service

00:25:14.400 that is

00:25:15.920 my

00:25:16.180 character

00:25:16.600 I

00:25:17.020 stand up

00:25:18.640 for

00:25:18.820 injustice

00:25:19.240 I

00:25:19.860 call out

00:25:20.500 people who

00:25:20.880 are not

00:25:21.180 following

00:25:21.540 the

00:25:21.720 rules

00:25:21.960 and I

00:25:22.240 can

00:25:22.380 tell

00:25:22.600 you

00:25:22.880 we

00:25:23.500 tried

00:25:23.880 to

00:25:24.040 follow

00:25:24.260 every

00:25:24.620 rule

00:25:24.980 although

00:25:25.440 my

00:25:29.540 opposition

00:25:30.620 didn't

00:25:31.880 follow

00:25:32.120 all the

00:25:32.460 rules

00:25:32.760 so

00:25:33.460 you know

00:25:34.400 it was

00:25:34.980 really

00:25:35.500 important

00:25:36.500 to me

00:25:36.960 that

00:25:37.220 we

00:25:37.900 cross

00:25:39.420 our

00:25:39.860 T's

00:25:40.260 and

00:25:40.500 dot

00:25:40.780 our

00:25:41.000 I's

00:25:41.580 and

00:25:42.580 when

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00:25:43.320 comes

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00:25:44.120 all

00:25:44.680 of

00:25:44.860 the

00:25:45.020 irregularities

00:25:45.940 all

00:25:46.280 these

00:25:46.620 mistakes

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00:25:48.720 this

00:25:49.700 claim

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00:25:52.400 and

00:25:53.000 there

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00:25:55.380 I

00:25:55.600 called

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00:25:56.340 extension

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00:25:57.920 couple

00:25:58.100 weeks

00:25:58.380 before

00:25:59.000 the

00:26:00.600 count

00:26:01.240 happened

00:26:01.740 and

00:26:02.640 every

00:26:03.180 single

00:26:03.560 person

00:26:04.060 that

00:26:05.140 they

00:26:05.300 talked

00:26:05.640 to

00:26:05.940 from

00:26:06.540 the

00:26:06.760 PC

00:26:07.100 party

00:26:07.580 from

00:26:08.660 the

00:26:09.040 MLAs

00:26:09.860 and

00:26:10.680 even

00:26:10.940 Premier

00:26:11.400 Gertsen

00:26:11.920 at the

00:26:12.240 time

00:26:12.560 they

00:26:13.620 all

00:26:13.860 said

00:26:14.120 well

00:26:14.320 the

00:26:14.480 party

00:26:14.760 has

00:26:14.980 said

00:26:15.160 they're

00:26:15.300 going

00:26:15.400 to

00:26:15.460 get

00:26:15.620 their

00:26:15.920 ducks

00:26:16.720 in

00:26:16.860 a

00:26:16.980 row

00:26:17.160 and

00:26:17.320 it's

00:26:17.500 going

00:26:17.640 to

00:26:17.700 be

00:26:17.960 a

00:26:18.480 fair

00:26:18.960 and

00:26:19.480 and

00:26:20.000 a

00:26:21.040 fit

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00:26:23.000 everything

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00:26:25.880 time

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00:26:26.360 count

00:26:26.560 happens

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00:26:27.600 that

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00:26:27.900 impossible

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00:26:29.280 had

00:26:29.480 thousands

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00:26:30.400 people

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00:26:32.280 had

00:26:32.420 come

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00:26:32.940 the

00:26:33.140 city

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00:26:36.120 get

00:26:36.260 ballots

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00:26:38.440 constantly

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00:26:40.040 answers

00:26:40.500 so

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00:26:42.680 not

00:26:43.360 malice

00:26:44.340 why

00:26:45.080 on

00:26:45.340 earth

00:26:45.820 did

00:26:46.320 they

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00:26:47.700 and

00:26:48.060 get

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00:26:48.560 extension

00:26:48.960 so

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00:26:49.400 all

00:26:49.720 members

00:26:50.100 rights

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00:26:50.660 observed

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00:26:52.480 done

00:26:52.760 that

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00:26:53.700 court

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00:26:56.460 that

00:26:56.840 Heather

00:26:57.340 Stephenson

00:26:58.040 was

00:26:58.780 involved

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00:27:00.080 the

00:27:00.300 behavior

00:27:00.700 that

00:27:00.960 you're

00:27:01.140 alleging

00:27:01.520 here

00:27:01.720 do

00:27:01.860 you

00:27:01.920 think

00:27:02.040 she

00:27:02.180 was

00:27:02.340 simply

00:27:02.600 the

00:27:02.880 beneficiary

00:27:03.560 of

00:27:03.780 it

00:27:03.960 you

00:27:05.240 know

00:27:05.400 I

00:27:05.740 I

00:27:06.340 don't

00:27:06.620 know

00:27:06.920 I

00:27:07.420 don't

00:27:07.700 know

00:27:08.060 and

00:27:10.180 at

00:27:10.280 this

00:27:10.460 point

00:27:10.660 it

00:27:10.800 doesn't

00:27:11.020 matter

00:27:11.340 it

00:27:11.960 doesn't

00:27:12.160 matter

00:27:12.380 who

00:27:12.600 is

00:27:12.760 involved

00:27:13.100 in

00:27:13.320 it

00:27:13.500 we

00:27:13.880 need

00:27:14.040 to

00:27:14.180 fix

00:27:14.420 it

00:27:14.660 and

00:27:15.180 this

00:27:15.380 is

00:27:15.520 all

00:27:15.680 about

00:27:15.900 democracy

00:27:16.440 it's

00:27:16.700 not

00:27:16.860 about

00:27:17.080 blame

00:27:17.540 it's

00:27:18.440 about

00:27:18.760 democracy

00:27:19.500 and

00:27:19.720 making

00:27:20.000 sure

00:27:20.440 that

00:27:20.940 all

00:27:21.380 of

00:27:21.520 our

00:27:21.640 members

00:27:22.060 have

00:27:22.440 a

00:27:22.600 right

00:27:22.820 to

00:27:23.040 vote

00:27:23.400 which

00:27:23.920 was

00:27:24.120 not

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00:27:24.980 to

00:27:25.120 thousands

00:27:25.800 of

00:27:26.200 them

00:27:26.420 it's

00:27:27.500 about

00:27:27.820 making

00:27:28.180 sure

00:27:28.460 that

00:27:28.660 when

00:27:28.840 we

00:27:29.240 say

00:27:29.760 to

00:27:30.000 members

00:27:30.400 and

00:27:30.580 Manitobans

00:27:31.540 because

00:27:31.900 this

00:27:32.560 was

00:27:32.780 the

00:27:33.360 most

00:27:33.600 important

00:27:34.160 election

00:27:34.620 that

00:27:34.980 our

00:27:35.320 party

00:27:35.660 has

00:27:36.360 ever

00:27:36.820 run

00:27:37.200 in

00:27:38.320 60

00:27:38.700 years

00:27:39.000 we've

00:27:39.240 never

00:27:39.420 seen

00:27:39.680 this

00:27:39.940 right

00:27:40.200 so

00:27:40.780 this

00:27:40.940 was

00:27:41.060 the

00:27:41.220 most

00:27:41.480 important

00:27:42.120 election

00:27:42.540 that

00:27:42.700 we

00:27:42.820 were

00:27:42.960 ever

00:27:43.260 to

00:27:43.520 run

00:27:43.820 and

00:27:44.380 it

00:27:44.460 was

00:27:44.600 such

00:27:44.940 a

00:27:45.100 failure

00:27:45.560 whether

00:27:45.900 it

00:27:46.080 be

00:27:46.180 incompetence

00:27:46.940 or

00:27:47.080 other

00:27:47.460 that

00:27:48.720 we

00:27:48.960 needed

00:27:49.420 to

00:27:49.760 make

00:27:50.380 sure

00:27:50.680 that

00:27:50.920 members

00:27:51.380 and

00:27:51.600 Manitobans

00:27:52.380 had

00:27:52.620 faith

00:27:53.100 in

00:27:53.800 the

00:27:54.040 process

00:27:54.680 and

00:27:55.320 of course

00:27:55.740 faith

00:27:56.340 in

00:27:56.720 the

00:27:56.880 result

00:27:57.320 which

00:27:58.100 we

00:27:58.260 have

00:28:00.580 which

00:28:01.200 is

00:28:01.340 why

00:28:01.640 I'm

00:28:01.880 in

00:28:02.040 court

00:28:02.280 now

00:28:02.560 and

00:28:03.120 so

00:28:03.280 democracy

00:28:03.780 is

00:28:04.140 what

00:28:04.300 I'm

00:28:04.480 defending

00:28:04.920 I

00:28:05.920 don't

00:28:06.140 care

00:28:06.380 who

00:28:06.600 is

00:28:06.780 involved

00:28:07.240 but

00:28:08.440 this

00:28:08.800 was

00:28:09.260 not

00:28:09.780 a

00:28:10.280 fair

00:28:10.680 race

00:28:11.140 it

00:28:11.820 was

00:28:11.980 not

00:28:12.200 an

00:28:12.340 accountable

00:28:12.820 race

00:28:13.420 it

00:28:14.340 did

00:28:14.540 not

00:28:14.720 follow

00:28:15.040 the

00:28:15.260 standards

00:28:15.840 that

00:28:16.260 elections

00:28:16.780 Manitoba

00:28:17.560 sets

00:28:18.660 for

00:28:19.140 all

00:28:19.440 elections

00:28:19.980 now

00:28:20.660 the

00:28:21.060 party

00:28:21.300 will

00:28:21.500 say

00:28:21.720 well

00:28:22.000 the

00:28:22.220 leadership

00:28:22.620 election

00:28:23.500 doesn't

00:28:23.940 have to

00:28:24.240 follow

00:28:24.580 those

00:28:24.880 rules

00:28:25.120 well

00:28:25.380 it

00:28:25.680 is

00:28:25.920 in

00:28:26.200 fact

00:28:26.640 the

00:28:27.840 standard

00:28:28.340 even

00:28:28.880 indicated

00:28:29.460 in

00:28:29.680 our

00:28:29.840 constitution

00:28:30.560 that

00:28:31.300 we

00:28:31.480 should

00:28:31.840 be

00:28:32.260 complying

00:28:33.260 with

00:28:33.520 so

00:28:33.720 when

00:28:33.880 the

00:28:34.000 party

00:28:34.220 says

00:28:34.500 well

00:28:34.860 there

00:28:35.380 was

00:28:35.540 no

00:28:35.780 rule

00:28:36.160 to

00:28:36.380 say

00:28:37.640 that

00:28:37.880 the

00:28:38.120 boxes

00:28:38.600 had

00:28:38.880 to

00:28:39.000 be

00:28:39.160 sealed

00:28:39.440 when

00:28:39.660 they

00:28:39.780 left

00:28:39.980 there

00:28:40.140 was

00:28:40.300 no

00:28:40.560 rule

00:28:41.060 that

00:28:41.720 said

00:28:41.920 all

00:28:42.100 members

00:28:42.520 have

00:28:42.940 to

00:28:43.080 get

00:28:43.200 a

00:28:43.320 vote

00:28:43.460 there's

00:28:43.700 no

00:28:43.900 rule

00:28:44.400 that

00:28:45.260 says

00:28:45.520 this

00:28:45.860 and

00:28:46.080 that

00:28:46.280 every

00:28:46.780 irregularity

00:28:48.160 that

00:28:48.360 we

00:28:48.480 presented

00:28:48.940 in

00:28:49.220 court

00:28:49.640 the

00:28:51.420 party

00:28:51.720 just

00:28:51.980 dismissed

00:28:52.440 with

00:28:52.680 well

00:28:53.000 you

00:28:53.920 know

00:28:54.080 we

00:28:54.640 didn't

00:28:54.820 have

00:28:55.040 rules

00:28:55.380 about

00:28:55.620 that

00:28:55.920 well

00:28:56.600 what

00:28:56.880 were

00:28:57.100 the

00:28:57.280 rules

00:28:57.620 and

00:28:57.900 in

00:28:58.060 fact

00:28:58.240 they

00:28:58.460 tried

00:28:59.160 to

00:28:59.360 dismiss

00:28:59.880 part

00:29:00.400 of

00:29:00.480 the

00:29:00.600 rules

00:29:00.820 that

00:29:00.980 went

00:29:01.160 to

00:29:01.300 my

00:29:01.480 campaign

00:29:01.860 manager

00:29:02.400 that

00:29:03.760 touched

00:29:04.460 on

00:29:04.740 how

00:29:04.960 the

00:29:05.160 count

00:29:05.420 would

00:29:05.620 be

00:29:05.940 done

00:29:07.540 and

00:29:08.000 to

00:29:08.320 hear

00:29:08.540 their

00:29:08.760 lawyer

00:29:09.160 in

00:29:09.440 court

00:29:09.940 say

00:29:11.000 oh

00:29:11.700 that

00:29:11.960 first

00:29:12.480 sheet

00:29:12.940 looks

00:29:13.240 like

00:29:13.440 it

00:29:13.520 was

00:29:13.640 just

00:29:13.820 a

00:29:14.060 letter

00:29:14.360 that

00:29:14.660 was

00:29:14.780 to

00:29:14.920 go

00:29:15.060 to

00:29:15.240 someone

00:29:15.540 obviously

00:29:16.100 it

00:29:16.320 was

00:29:16.540 not

00:29:16.920 rules

00:29:17.920 and

00:29:18.880 and

00:29:19.320 the

00:29:19.560 face

00:29:20.480 sheet

00:29:20.720 that

00:29:20.860 he

00:29:20.940 was

00:29:21.080 talking

00:29:21.500 about

00:29:21.940 had

00:29:23.100 the

00:29:23.320 form

00:29:23.720 a

00:29:24.260 that

00:29:25.140 we

00:29:25.600 use

00:29:26.780 which

00:29:27.280 has

00:29:27.700 every

00:29:28.080 member's

00:29:28.580 name

00:29:28.920 address

00:29:29.420 postal

00:29:30.360 code

00:29:30.640 on

00:29:30.860 it

00:29:31.060 and

00:29:31.640 their

00:29:31.860 code

00:29:32.360 so

00:29:32.580 that

00:29:32.700 we

00:29:32.800 can

00:29:32.980 match

00:29:33.340 them

00:29:33.560 up

00:29:33.900 to

00:29:34.320 indicate

00:29:34.640 that

00:29:34.920 they

00:29:35.160 have

00:29:35.480 in

00:29:35.660 fact

00:29:35.920 voted

00:29:36.660 so

00:29:37.140 to

00:29:37.600 try

00:29:38.040 to

00:29:38.240 dismiss

00:29:38.740 that

00:29:39.200 as

00:29:39.600 if

00:29:39.740 it's

00:29:39.920 a

00:29:40.240 letter

00:29:40.520 going

00:29:40.980 to

00:29:41.340 some

00:29:41.860 arbitrary

00:29:43.300 person

00:29:44.020 that's

00:29:46.100 inexcusable

00:29:46.940 inexcusable

00:29:47.880 that

00:29:48.080 is

00:29:48.500 blatantly

00:29:50.620 false

00:29:51.280 what

00:29:51.540 he

00:29:51.700 was

00:29:52.420 suggesting

00:29:52.960 and

00:29:54.080 shameful

00:29:55.200 actually

00:29:55.720 because

00:29:56.140 to

00:29:57.680 try to

00:29:58.020 make

00:29:58.240 out

00:29:58.500 the

00:29:59.000 rules

00:29:59.380 to

00:29:59.620 be

00:29:59.780 something

00:30:00.200 completely

00:30:01.440 out

00:30:02.420 of

00:30:02.660 line

00:30:03.220 and

00:30:03.480 not

00:30:04.120 even

00:30:04.360 related

00:30:04.860 to

00:30:05.100 the

00:30:05.260 election

00:30:05.600 was

00:30:06.220 mind

00:30:06.760 boggling

00:30:07.220 so

00:30:07.620 I do

00:30:09.600 expect

00:30:10.240 the

00:30:10.500 judge

00:30:10.720 to

00:30:11.040 make

00:30:11.400 a

00:30:11.520 decision

00:30:11.920 but

00:30:12.220 sadly

00:30:13.100 I

00:30:13.280 don't

00:30:13.480 think

00:30:13.720 it's

00:30:13.860 going

00:30:13.960 to

00:30:14.000 be

00:30:14.100 the

00:30:14.280 decision

00:30:14.740 that

00:30:15.820 many

00:30:16.140 members

00:30:16.740 are

00:30:16.960 thinking

00:30:17.280 it's

00:30:17.560 going

00:30:17.760 to

00:30:17.940 be

00:30:18.140 no

00:30:19.820 and

00:30:20.000 I

00:30:20.260 know

00:30:20.460 that

00:30:20.660 any

00:30:21.020 battle

00:30:22.540 like

00:30:22.840 this

00:30:23.080 in

00:30:23.220 the

00:30:23.340 courts

00:30:23.600 is

00:30:23.940 going

00:30:24.120 to

00:30:24.220 be

00:30:24.300 an

00:30:24.400 uphill

00:30:24.640 battle

00:30:25.000 for

00:30:25.280 two

00:30:25.660 reasons

00:30:26.040 number

00:30:26.300 one

00:30:26.580 we're

00:30:26.740 talking

00:30:27.100 about

00:30:27.480 the

00:30:28.100 premier

00:30:28.460 of

00:30:28.780 the

00:30:28.940 province

00:30:29.340 which

00:30:29.760 a

00:30:30.080 judge

00:30:30.560 is

00:30:30.720 not

00:30:30.920 going

00:30:31.140 to

00:30:31.300 want

00:30:31.440 to

00:30:31.540 single

00:30:31.760 handedly

00:30:32.200 determine

00:30:32.720 themselves

00:30:33.220 and

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00:30:33.680 judges

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00:30:34.940 speaking

00:30:35.400 have

00:30:36.100 tried

00:30:36.380 to

00:30:36.540 avoid

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00:30:37.400 in

00:30:37.580 political

00:30:38.000 party

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00:30:38.760 so

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00:30:47.760 if

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00:30:48.720 the

00:30:48.860 establishment

00:30:49.400 stacked

00:30:49.900 against

00:30:50.240 you

00:30:50.440 you

00:30:50.580 had

00:30:50.880 all

00:30:51.180 of

00:30:51.320 the

00:30:51.540 MLAs

00:30:52.220 that

00:30:52.380 you

00:30:52.500 would

00:30:52.640 have

00:30:52.740 been

00:30:53.000 leading

00:30:53.460 in

00:30:53.680 caucus

00:30:54.100 endorsing

00:30:55.180 your

00:30:55.440 opponent

00:30:56.060 Heather

00:30:56.380 Stephenson

00:30:56.900 why do

00:30:57.700 you

00:30:57.780 even

00:30:57.960 want

00:30:58.220 to

00:30:58.300 be

00:30:58.420 involved

00:30:58.760 in

00:30:58.940 a

00:30:59.080 party

00:30:59.300 that

00:30:59.480 would

00:30:59.620 treat

00:30:59.860 you

00:31:00.020 the

00:31:00.160 way

00:31:00.340 you're

00:31:00.660 saying

00:31:00.980 you

00:31:01.120 were

00:31:01.260 treated

00:31:01.580 so

00:31:03.820 once

00:31:04.540 again

00:31:04.940 I

00:31:06.180 have

00:31:06.840 stood

00:31:07.680 up

00:31:07.920 against

00:31:08.340 injustice

00:31:08.820 my

00:31:09.100 entire

00:31:09.600 career

00:31:10.260 even

00:31:11.400 in

00:31:11.600 politics

00:31:12.040 I

00:31:12.680 am

00:31:13.100 seen

00:31:13.520 as

00:31:13.720 someone

00:31:14.020 who

00:31:14.600 may

00:31:15.660 be

00:31:15.820 argumentative

00:31:17.760 because I

00:31:18.140 stand up

00:31:18.620 for

00:31:18.740 what's

00:31:18.980 right

00:31:19.240 I

00:31:19.580 believe

00:31:20.240 that

00:31:20.700 I

00:31:21.060 am

00:31:21.400 someone

00:31:21.780 with

00:31:22.140 the

00:31:22.400 heart

00:31:22.660 of

00:31:22.900 a

00:31:23.060 servant

00:31:23.460 and

00:31:24.660 a

00:31:24.800 public

00:31:25.060 servant

00:31:25.500 is

00:31:26.380 where

00:31:26.860 I

00:31:27.180 have

00:31:27.480 remained

00:31:27.920 in

00:31:28.160 my

00:31:28.360 career

00:31:28.740 and

00:31:30.020 then

00:31:30.480 after

00:31:30.900 my

00:31:31.200 career

00:31:31.540 so

00:31:32.860 I

00:31:33.660 am

00:31:33.940 standing

00:31:34.240 up

00:31:34.480 for

00:31:34.740 all

00:31:35.500 of

00:31:35.680 our

00:31:35.820 members

00:31:36.240 who

00:31:37.220 believe

00:31:37.900 their

00:31:38.120 rights

00:31:38.360 were

00:31:38.540 violated

00:31:39.040 it

00:31:40.040 wasn't

00:31:40.500 about

00:31:40.820 me

00:31:41.020 I

00:31:41.180 didn't

00:31:41.360 even

00:31:41.620 go

00:31:42.220 into

00:31:42.480 this

00:31:42.720 as

00:31:42.880 I

00:31:43.020 said

00:31:43.300 originally

00:31:43.880 Andrew

00:31:44.220 I

00:31:44.400 didn't

00:31:44.620 go

00:31:44.820 into

00:31:45.100 this

00:31:45.500 thinking

00:31:46.400 I

00:31:47.760 the

00:31:47.920 last

00:31:48.260 woman 0.99

00:31:48.560 standing

00:31:49.100 in

00:31:50.160 a

00:31:50.320 one-on-one

00:31:50.780 race

00:31:51.180 with

00:31:51.560 Heather

00:31:51.840 I

00:31:52.900 honestly

00:31:53.400 believed

00:31:54.040 that

00:31:55.140 the

00:31:55.920 other

00:31:56.100 people

00:31:56.380 that

00:31:56.560 had

00:31:56.740 said

00:31:56.980 they

00:31:57.140 were

00:31:57.240 going

00:31:57.480 to

00:31:57.680 run

00:31:57.960 would

00:31:59.240 outpace

00:32:01.020 me

00:32:01.340 and

00:32:01.900 be

00:32:02.220 the

00:32:03.140 last

00:32:03.440 one

00:32:03.680 standing

00:32:04.160 I

00:32:05.180 had

00:32:05.720 no

00:32:05.940 intention

00:32:06.440 in the

00:32:07.100 beginning

00:32:07.420 of

00:32:07.720 doing

00:32:07.940 anything

00:32:08.300 but

00:32:08.640 fighting

00:32:10.000 that

00:32:11.280 coronation

00:32:11.880 and

00:32:13.300 making

00:32:13.680 sure

00:32:13.980 that

00:32:14.140 there

00:32:14.280 was

00:32:14.440 a

00:32:14.560 race

00:32:14.860 but

00:32:15.500 after

00:32:15.780 the

00:32:15.980 rules

00:32:16.460 everyone

00:32:17.540 else

00:32:17.780 dropped

00:32:18.060 out

00:32:18.480 and

00:32:19.700 it

00:32:20.260 just

00:32:20.520 motivated

00:32:21.080 me

00:32:21.340 more

00:32:21.600 and

00:32:21.740 empowered

00:32:22.140 me

00:32:22.360 to

00:32:22.520 say

00:32:22.680 this

00:32:23.000 is

00:32:23.300 wrong

00:32:23.700 this

00:32:24.160 is

00:32:24.380 so

00:32:24.760 wrong

00:32:25.180 this

00:32:25.660 is

00:32:25.820 not

00:32:26.160 our

00:32:26.400 party

00:32:26.740 these

00:32:27.160 are

00:32:27.280 not

00:32:27.520 the

00:32:27.700 values

00:32:28.080 that

00:32:28.260 our

00:32:28.400 party

00:32:28.680 has

00:32:29.180 and

00:32:29.840 we

00:32:30.000 need

00:32:30.260 a

00:32:30.400 race

00:32:30.620 so

00:32:30.780 that

00:32:30.880 our

00:32:31.020 party

00:32:31.280 can

00:32:31.560 be

00:32:31.760 lifted

00:32:32.120 out

00:32:32.360 of

00:32:32.500 the

00:32:32.660 doldrums

00:32:33.380 we

00:32:33.500 were

00:32:33.640 in

00:32:34.000 given

00:32:34.800 the

00:32:35.200 history

00:32:35.760 that

00:32:36.000 we

00:32:36.200 just

00:32:36.720 finished

00:32:38.360 having

00:32:39.760 so

00:32:40.060 all

00:32:41.640 I

00:32:41.800 can

00:32:41.940 say

00:32:42.200 is

00:32:42.480 I

00:32:43.240 love

00:32:43.720 this

00:32:43.980 party

00:32:44.400 I

00:32:47.540 their

00:32:47.920 policies

00:32:48.660 I

00:32:50.340 love

00:32:50.640 that

00:32:50.800 we

00:32:50.960 fight

00:32:51.480 for

00:32:52.000 members

00:32:52.920 rights

00:32:53.320 and

00:32:53.820 those

00:32:54.640 were

00:32:54.800 all

00:32:55.080 being

00:32:55.500 trashed

00:32:56.700 and

00:32:57.020 discarded

00:32:57.960 so

00:32:58.480 that

00:32:58.680 we

00:32:59.100 would

00:32:59.460 not

00:32:59.660 have

00:32:59.860 a

00:32:59.980 race

00:33:00.240 and

00:33:00.380 would

00:33:00.500 not

00:33:00.680 have

00:33:00.880 an

00:33:01.000 election

00:33:01.340 so

00:33:01.660 it's

00:33:02.500 not

00:33:02.700 about

00:33:02.960 for

00:33:03.780 me

00:33:03.900 it's

00:33:04.040 not

00:33:04.160 about

00:33:04.380 how

00:33:04.640 the

00:33:04.780 party

00:33:05.040 treated

00:33:05.400 me

00:33:05.640 or

00:33:05.920 how

00:33:06.440 this

00:33:06.720 one

00:33:06.980 campaign

00:33:07.440 treated

00:33:07.760 me

00:33:08.120 I'm

00:33:09.520 standing

00:33:09.780 up

00:33:09.980 for

00:33:10.140 those

00:33:10.500 thousands

00:33:11.000 and

00:33:11.320 thousands

00:33:11.640 of

00:33:11.920 conservatives

00:33:12.360 who

00:33:12.900 believe

00:33:13.560 in

00:33:14.080 conservative

00:33:15.000 policies

00:33:15.560 and

00:33:15.820 values

00:33:16.300 and

00:33:17.020 I'll

00:33:17.180 always

00:33:17.420 stand

00:33:17.660 up

00:33:17.800 for

00:33:17.920 them

00:33:18.160 if

00:33:19.080 the

00:33:19.340 decision

00:33:19.920 doesn't

00:33:20.420 go

00:33:20.640 your

00:33:20.960 way

00:33:21.380 is

00:33:21.580 this

00:33:21.740 still

00:33:21.960 a

00:33:22.220 party

00:33:22.500 you'll

00:33:22.720 support

00:33:23.040 in

00:33:23.200 the

00:33:23.280 next

00:33:23.480 election

00:33:23.920 well

00:33:25.540 we'll

00:33:25.740 have

00:33:25.920 to

00:33:26.080 see

00:33:26.480 if

00:33:27.640 the

00:33:27.960 party

00:33:28.300 has

00:33:28.900 repaired

00:33:29.500 many

00:33:30.100 of

00:33:30.260 the

00:33:30.380 things

00:33:30.780 that

00:33:31.320 were

00:33:31.660 wrong

00:33:32.020 and

00:33:32.200 I'll

00:33:32.320 give

00:33:32.480 you

00:33:32.540 an

00:33:32.640 example

00:33:33.080 I

00:33:33.480 started

00:33:34.680 out

00:33:35.000 in

00:33:35.260 this

00:33:36.140 when

00:33:36.540 the

00:33:37.140 rules

00:33:37.380 came

00:33:37.640 out

00:33:37.900 and

00:33:38.220 it

00:33:38.420 took

00:33:38.700 four

00:33:39.220 days

00:33:39.700 to

00:33:40.560 get

00:33:40.920 the

00:33:41.400 package

00:33:42.040 the

00:33:43.080 application

00:33:43.600 package

00:33:44.080 that

00:33:44.440 the

00:33:44.760 party

00:33:45.000 said

00:33:45.320 was

00:33:45.520 available

00:33:45.980 they

00:33:46.820 said

00:33:47.020 they

00:33:47.140 were

00:33:47.260 still

00:33:47.460 working

00:33:47.740 on

00:33:47.940 it

00:33:48.040 so

00:33:48.280 and

00:33:48.780 the

00:33:48.880 application

00:33:49.200 package

00:33:50.780 had

00:33:51.060 many

00:33:51.540 many

00:33:51.780 errors

00:33:52.160 in

00:33:52.320 it

00:33:52.420 for

00:33:52.580 example

00:33:52.880 you

00:33:53.080 had

00:33:53.200 to

00:33:53.360 sign

00:33:53.580 a

00:33:53.740 form

00:33:54.000 that

00:33:54.200 said

00:33:54.480 I

00:33:55.600 will

00:33:56.100 or

00:33:57.020 I

00:33:57.280 agree

00:33:57.560 to

00:33:57.760 all

00:33:57.940 the

00:33:58.120 policies

00:33:58.600 of

00:33:58.940 the

00:33:59.140 PC

00:34:00.080 party

00:34:00.740 of

00:34:00.900 Manitoba

00:34:01.460 and

00:34:02.440 so

00:34:02.620 when

00:34:02.760 I

00:34:02.920 phoned

00:34:03.240 to

00:34:03.420 say

00:34:03.560 well

00:34:03.700 where's

00:34:04.220 the

00:34:04.340 book

00:34:04.540 of

00:34:04.700 policies

00:34:05.160 that

00:34:05.460 we

00:34:05.600 used

00:34:05.840 to

00:34:06.000 have

00:34:06.260 because

00:34:06.440 I

00:34:06.580 sat

00:34:06.800 on

00:34:06.920 the

00:34:07.040 communications

00:34:07.560 team

00:34:08.000 some

00:34:08.280 25

00:34:08.720 years

00:34:09.080 ago

00:34:09.360 and

00:34:10.740 got

00:34:10.960 they

00:34:11.300 got

00:34:11.460 back

00:34:11.700 to

00:34:11.820 me

00:34:11.980 saying

00:34:12.280 oh

00:34:12.700 we

00:34:12.860 don't

00:34:13.020 have

00:34:13.260 any

00:34:13.420 policy

00:34:13.820 book

00:34:14.120 so

00:34:14.540 just

00:34:15.020 cross

00:34:15.420 that

00:34:15.640 out

00:34:15.960 and

00:34:16.400 put

00:34:16.860 I've

00:34:17.280 read

00:34:17.420 all

00:34:17.580 the

00:34:17.720 rules

00:34:18.100 of

00:34:18.500 the

00:34:18.800 leadership

00:34:19.580 I

00:34:19.780 mean

00:34:19.900 it

00:34:20.100 was

00:34:20.280 so

00:34:21.760 poorly

00:34:22.400 run

00:34:22.840 from

00:34:23.260 day

00:34:23.580 one

00:34:23.780 it

00:34:23.880 was

00:34:24.020 obvious

00:34:24.640 they

00:34:25.120 had

00:34:25.260 no

00:34:25.540 intention

00:34:25.960 of

00:34:26.180 holding

00:34:26.400 a

00:34:26.560 race

00:34:26.840 they

00:34:27.360 were

00:34:27.520 just

00:34:27.720 going

00:34:27.940 to

00:34:28.100 coronate

00:34:28.480 someone

00:34:28.800 and

00:34:29.260 so

00:34:29.920 they've

00:34:30.140 got

00:34:30.240 to

00:34:30.340 repair

00:34:30.580 a

00:34:30.780 lot

00:34:30.940 of

00:34:31.080 things

00:34:31.420 in

00:34:32.280 order

00:34:32.440 for

00:34:32.620 me

00:34:32.740 to

00:34:32.900 stand

00:34:33.180 up

00:34:33.360 and

00:34:33.520 say

00:34:33.700 you

00:34:33.920 are

00:34:34.180 conservative

00:34:35.000 you

00:34:36.360 are

00:34:36.620 following

00:34:37.580 conservative

00:34:38.160 values

00:34:38.840 and

00:34:39.200 following

00:34:39.740 policies

00:34:41.020 that

00:34:41.360 I

00:34:41.540 actually

00:34:42.000 agree

00:34:42.740 with

00:34:43.000 without

00:34:43.220 a

00:34:43.420 policy

00:34:43.800 book

00:34:44.040 it's

00:34:44.240 hard

00:34:44.380 to

00:34:44.540 tell

00:34:44.760 whether

00:34:45.000 they're

00:34:45.240 a

00:34:45.380 conservative

00:34:45.840 a

00:34:46.140 liberal

00:34:46.380 or

00:34:46.600 an

00:34:46.720 NDP

00:34:47.040 and

00:34:48.180 that's

00:34:48.420 not

00:34:48.600 acceptable

00:34:49.040 it's

00:34:49.500 unacceptable

00:34:50.080 for a

00:34:50.740 party

00:34:50.960 not

00:34:51.180 to

00:34:51.320 have

00:34:51.500 a

00:34:51.620 policy

00:34:51.960 book

00:34:52.300 Shelley

00:34:53.820 Glover

00:34:54.140 thank

00:34:54.400 you

00:34:54.500 very

00:34:54.680 much

00:34:55.000 you're

00:34:55.760 very

00:34:56.020 welcome

00:34:56.380 and

00:34:56.860 you

00:34:56.980 have

00:34:57.120 a

00:34:57.240 Merry

00:34:57.400 Christmas

00:34:57.800 Andrew

00:34:58.180 That

00:35:01.820 was

00:35:02.020 former

00:35:02.500 Manitoba

00:35:03.160 PC

00:35:03.480 leadership

00:35:03.900 candidate

00:35:04.420 Shelley

00:35:04.740 Glover

00:35:05.100 as she

00:35:05.400 said

00:35:05.640 at the

00:35:05.960 beginning

00:35:06.160 of the

00:35:06.400 interview

00:35:06.680 she

00:35:06.900 believes

00:35:07.240 she

00:35:07.460 is

00:35:07.720 the

00:35:07.860 premier

00:35:08.140 of

00:35:10.240 Alberta

00:35:10.520 that

00:35:10.760 honor

00:35:11.020 is

00:35:11.240 officially

00:35:11.680 bestowed

00:35:12.200 on

00:35:12.520 Heather

00:35:12.760 Stephenson

00:35:13.240 though

00:35:13.660 obviously

00:35:14.020 we'll

00:35:14.220 see

00:35:14.440 what

00:35:15.040 the

00:35:15.180 judge

00:35:15.400 has

00:35:15.640 to

00:35:15.780 say

00:35:15.920 this

00:35:16.120 week

00:35:16.320 and

00:35:16.460 I'm

00:35:16.720 glad

00:35:16.940 Shelley

00:35:17.220 has

00:35:17.540 realistic

00:35:18.120 expectations

00:35:18.760 of

00:35:18.980 this

00:35:19.140 courts

00:35:19.440 do

00:35:20.020 not

00:35:20.320 they

00:35:20.500 want

00:35:20.740 to

00:35:20.840 just

00:35:21.060 avoid

00:35:21.540 political

00:35:22.020 parties

00:35:22.540 as

00:35:22.880 much

00:35:23.240 as

00:35:23.400 they

00:35:23.580 can

00:35:24.000 because

00:35:24.560 no

00:35:25.160 I

00:35:25.340 whatever

00:35:26.440 esteem

00:35:27.060 you

00:35:27.240 hold

00:35:27.520 judges

00:35:27.920 in

00:35:28.140 and

00:35:28.260 in

00:35:28.420 a lot

00:35:28.700 of

00:35:28.820 cases

00:35:29.120 it's

00:35:29.380 very

00:35:29.600 low

00:35:29.880 for

00:35:30.080 me

00:35:30.260 but

00:35:30.840 they

00:35:31.060 don't

00:35:31.360 want

00:35:31.600 to

00:35:31.740 be

00:35:31.920 seen

00:35:32.560 as

00:35:33.700 trying

00:35:33.960 to

00:35:34.120 just

00:35:34.300 play

00:35:34.560 kingmaker

00:35:35.200 when

00:35:35.880 it

00:35:36.000 comes

00:35:36.240 to

00:35:36.380 the

00:35:36.500 political

00:35:36.760 process

00:35:37.280 especially

00:35:37.960 internally

00:35:38.580 in

00:35:38.820 political

00:35:39.100 parties

00:35:39.480 so

00:35:39.680 that's

00:35:40.320 the

00:35:40.440 challenge

00:35:40.720 but

00:35:40.880 obviously

00:35:41.180 we'll

00:35:41.380 keep

00:35:41.520 an

00:35:41.640 eye

00:35:41.760 out

00:35:41.900 for

00:35:42.020 that

00:35:42.240 in

00:35:42.620 the

00:35:42.700 meantime

00:35:42.920 we've

00:35:43.240 got

00:35:43.420 to

00:35:43.620 end

00:35:43.900 things

00:35:44.200 there

00:35:44.500 my

00:35:44.680 thanks

00:35:44.940 to

00:35:45.080 all

00:35:45.280 of

00:35:45.420 you

00:35:45.560 for

00:35:45.820 tuning

00:35:46.080 into

00:35:46.300 the

00:35:46.440 show

00:35:46.580 today

00:35:46.800 we'll

00:35:46.960 talk

00:35:47.160 to

00:35:47.240 you

00:35:47.340 soon

00:35:47.580 with

00:35:48.020 more

00:35:48.260 of

00:35:48.520 Canada's

00:35:49.020 most

00:35:49.440 irreverent

00:35:49.920 talk

00:35:50.160 show

00:35:50.360 here

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00:35:50.940 North

00:35:51.180 thank

00:35:51.720 you

00:35:51.880 God

00:35:52.140 bless

00:35:52.460 and

00:35:52.620 good

00:35:52.780 day

00:35:53.020 thanks

00:35:54.100 for

00:35:54.240 listening

00:35:54.540 to

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