Juno News - December 17, 2021


Canadians should ignore government's ＂non-essential＂ travel advisory


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36 minutes

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169.40588

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6,102

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223

Misogynist Sentences

2

Hate Speech Sentences

3


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Transcript

00:00:00.000 Welcome to Canada's Most Irreverent Talk Show.
00:00:06.540 This is the Andrew Lawton Show, brought to you by True North.
00:00:12.680 Coming up, Canadians narrowly avoid new travel restrictions,
00:00:16.120 some courage from a Conservative MP,
00:00:18.260 and Shelley Glover on her legal challenge against the Manitoba PC leadership race.
00:00:24.640 The Andrew Lawton Show starts right now.
00:00:30.000 Welcome to the Andrew Lawton Show.
00:00:33.100 This is Canada's Most Irreverent Talk Show here on True North.
00:00:36.740 Thursday, December 16th, 2021, just nine days away from Christmas.
00:00:41.820 I know you are all so excited.
00:00:43.420 I can hear it, or at least I can hear you throwing chairs through the window
00:00:47.160 as you realize all the stuff you have to get done in nine days.
00:00:50.340 And to make matters worse, you don't even really have nine days to do it
00:00:52.620 because you can't get anything done on Christmas Eve or on Christmas Day.
00:00:56.060 So you've really just got a week.
00:00:57.500 And I realize, as I'm saying, that I may be motivating you
00:01:00.960 to just stop listening to the show and run out to the mall.
00:01:03.580 So you can just plug your earphones in, listen on the podcast,
00:01:07.040 and enjoy as you Christmas shop.
00:01:09.640 You can only listen to All I Want for Christmas Is You so many times
00:01:13.220 before you want the dulcet tones of the Andrew Lawton Show,
00:01:16.600 or at least so I choose to believe.
00:01:18.820 Maybe I, just depending on how the show goes and how many eggnogs I have,
00:01:22.140 maybe I should do All I Want for Christmas Is You.
00:01:24.500 That'll surely boost the numbers, not.
00:01:27.160 In any case, going to be talking later on in the program with Shelley Glover,
00:01:31.800 the runner-up in the Manitoba PC leadership race,
00:01:35.020 but who has taken a claim to court that suggests she was actually the winner of the race.
00:01:39.720 We'll talk about that court challenge with her later on.
00:01:43.060 But I want to first talk about the announcement that wasn't.
00:01:47.240 I mean, remember T.S. Eliot's The World Ends With a Whimper, Not a Bang?
00:01:51.040 This was kind of like the whimper of press conferences,
00:01:54.300 and I'm not dissatisfied with that,
00:01:56.500 because I was expecting the federal government this week
00:01:59.040 would come out with a wave of travel restrictions.
00:02:02.060 Brian Lilly had a report from government sources
00:02:04.580 talking about how the Trudeau government
00:02:06.260 was considering putting in quarantine again,
00:02:10.020 even for fully vaccinated travelers,
00:02:11.960 so that if you leave the country and come back,
00:02:14.460 you've got to do the whole two-week quarantine thing.
00:02:17.080 We had reports that the government was considering putting a ban on non-essential travel again,
00:02:23.340 which could conceivably force the United States
00:02:26.100 or encourage the United States to reimpose its ban
00:02:29.800 on Canadians traveling for non-essential reasons.
00:02:32.640 So all of these things were cooking around,
00:02:34.860 and it sounds like if I piece together all of these different stories
00:02:38.420 that are all quoting their own unnamed sources,
00:02:41.000 like the Trudeau government was prepared to go there
00:02:43.760 and then ultimately decided not to,
00:02:47.100 in part because of pushback from premiers.
00:02:49.840 Trudeau on Tuesday night had a call
00:02:52.060 that was apparently quite vibrant,
00:02:54.840 one might say,
00:02:55.660 with the premiers of the various provinces,
00:02:57.420 and it sounds like there was a lot of pushback
00:02:59.740 from plunging Canada right back into March 2020 travel restrictions.
00:03:04.500 So all of this is to say what the government kind of came out with
00:03:08.220 was just like a you better not travel with the finger.
00:03:12.920 You have to do it with the finger.
00:03:13.960 Otherwise, it's not really an admonition.
00:03:16.060 So they've come out with an advisory against non-essential travel.
00:03:20.800 Now, this is something that can be summarily ignored.
00:03:23.620 The government says it's going to watch things for the next four weeks,
00:03:26.840 so there's not going to be like a winter travel ban yet.
00:03:30.040 Although, believe me when I say I am not in the least holding my breath,
00:03:34.080 that such a thing won't be imposed later on.
00:03:38.140 So why this is worth noting here is that I'm going away.
00:03:42.240 I'm literally leaving the country on the weekend,
00:03:45.640 and no matter what the government,
00:03:46.920 I mean, I don't think any restriction would have stopped me from doing it.
00:03:50.660 I think even with quarantine, I would have said,
00:03:52.320 you know what, I'm going,
00:03:53.340 and when I came back, I would have just done what I wanted.
00:03:55.520 But I can confess to that now that there isn't the quarantine or anything.
00:03:59.540 But nothing would have stopped,
00:04:01.740 because at this point, the pandemic is over.
00:04:03.400 Like, the pandemic is absolutely over.
00:04:05.720 I've had it with the Omicron fear-mongering
00:04:08.040 that just does not align with the data that we are seeing
00:04:11.240 about Omicron and what it's doing.
00:04:13.500 I'm done with all these restrictions that are yo-yoing.
00:04:16.140 I'm done with all of these public health advisors
00:04:18.160 that model just the most terrifying scenarios that never come to pass,
00:04:22.640 yet still get to continually define the direction that we take
00:04:27.140 in our pandemic response.
00:04:28.980 And I think most Canadians are in the same boat.
00:04:32.020 And this is not political.
00:04:33.960 It used to be just like the fire-breathing libertarian types like me
00:04:37.160 that were done with this.
00:04:38.100 Now everyone is.
00:04:39.040 I'm hearing from people left, right, apolitical, political, doesn't matter.
00:04:42.880 People that are saying, yeah, I'm done with this.
00:04:45.800 Especially, especially when it comes to kids in schools.
00:04:49.400 So just starting with universities for a moment,
00:04:52.680 a number of schools in Ontario, like Queen's and Western,
00:04:56.200 University of Victoria out in BC,
00:04:58.460 other institutions have abandoned their in-person exams.
00:05:03.120 And they've said, okay, we're just going to do online exams.
00:05:05.280 At the drop of a hat, they flip over.
00:05:07.220 Some schools are already going further.
00:05:09.200 York University in Toronto has said that it's going to return
00:05:12.740 to online classes for at least the first few weeks of January.
00:05:17.240 So you already have some universities that are talking about
00:05:20.940 just writing off the return to in-person classes,
00:05:23.900 which I think is supposed to happen in like the first week of January.
00:05:26.360 There's not a huge delay there.
00:05:28.200 And now you've got in Ontario as well,
00:05:30.960 school boards that are telling students,
00:05:33.860 bring home all of your stuff.
00:05:36.300 Like elementary and secondary schools,
00:05:37.880 bring home all your stuff for Christmas
00:05:39.340 because you might not be coming back.
00:05:43.280 This is the kind of thing that should make people very nervous
00:05:46.920 because what all of these people are doing
00:05:48.960 is poising themselves for a return to March 2020.
00:05:52.080 We have the Omicron variant.
00:05:53.980 They're all pretending this is new.
00:05:56.340 They're all pretending that we are exactly where we were
00:05:58.940 nearly two years ago,
00:06:00.100 looking at footage out of Wuhan and being like,
00:06:02.440 oh, well, we don't know what we're dealing with.
00:06:03.980 So we got to shut down the border.
00:06:05.240 We've got to throw in a quarantine.
00:06:06.720 We've got to shut down schools.
00:06:08.060 We got to shut down offices.
00:06:09.340 And it just doesn't match with the facts.
00:06:13.100 It just does not match with the facts.
00:06:15.300 But there are people that are just so high on lockdown
00:06:18.980 that don't want to reopen.
00:06:22.020 They don't want to get back to normal.
00:06:24.520 They don't want life to go back to the old normal
00:06:27.180 because they have a lot more purpose.
00:06:29.120 I get all of these like lockdown happy science table directors
00:06:33.000 that are driving public policy,
00:06:36.180 that are telling people we need travel restrictions
00:06:38.220 and lockdowns and closed schools and all of that.
00:06:40.140 All of these people have more purpose during the pandemic
00:06:42.980 than they've ever had in their life.
00:06:45.320 And they're merchants of doom.
00:06:47.280 That's what they are.
00:06:48.680 They're merchants of doom.
00:06:50.040 And that's working for them
00:06:51.360 because they're selling what a lot of people
00:06:54.040 in the media and in government are buying.
00:06:56.020 They're buying the doom.
00:06:57.360 There's a good market for doom.
00:06:58.720 You know what?
00:06:59.040 I wish I bought stocks in doom
00:07:00.360 because doom is about the best asset you can have right now
00:07:03.440 in your portfolio
00:07:04.600 because it just keeps coming and coming and coming.
00:07:08.260 So these merchants of doom,
00:07:10.600 profits of doom too,
00:07:11.640 but I think merchants kind of effectively characterizes it
00:07:15.800 because they are profiting off of it
00:07:17.520 in fame and notoriety and money.
00:07:19.380 What they're doing
00:07:20.320 is keeping the rest of us indefinitely locked down
00:07:24.140 for their own purpose.
00:07:26.240 And a lot of people I've said have kind of internalized this.
00:07:30.060 They've developed Stockholm syndrome.
00:07:31.680 They enjoy it.
00:07:32.980 They look to these people and say,
00:07:34.680 oh, dear leaders,
00:07:35.700 are you going to give us more lockdown?
00:07:37.580 I don't want the freedom.
00:07:38.740 I want the vaccine passport.
00:07:40.080 I want the shutdown.
00:07:40.980 I want the restrictions.
00:07:42.160 But that's even that is,
00:07:43.860 I'm slightly hopeful.
00:07:45.960 I say slightly starting to change.
00:07:49.480 People seem to be resisting this now
00:07:52.840 a lot more than they were even a few weeks ago.
00:07:56.520 And to be honest,
00:07:57.360 I think the linchpin of all of this
00:07:59.500 is the effect on kids in schools.
00:08:03.260 Because parents are,
00:08:04.240 I mean, adults can withstand a lot
00:08:06.040 and will withstand a lot.
00:08:07.820 Same as vaccine mandates.
00:08:09.140 A lot of adults that don't want to get
00:08:10.420 the COVID vaccines themselves
00:08:11.720 will get it if it means that
00:08:13.440 that's what they have to do
00:08:14.660 to go to a restaurant or to do whatever.
00:08:16.840 But the line in the sand is kids.
00:08:18.520 They're not getting their kids vaccinated.
00:08:20.100 Adults are very protective of their children.
00:08:21.940 So when there's talk about kids
00:08:24.820 not being able to go back to school,
00:08:26.860 kids being robbed of yet another school year,
00:08:29.640 a lot of parents are saying,
00:08:30.860 no, this is the last straw.
00:08:32.020 I'm just not going along with this.
00:08:33.860 I'm not playing ball.
00:08:36.200 And that's going to be something
00:08:37.480 that's very important to watch.
00:08:39.040 But I maintain that people
00:08:40.760 are finally starting to push back.
00:08:42.740 Again, not hugely.
00:08:44.060 We're not talking about mass protests
00:08:46.360 of normal apolitical people,
00:08:48.240 although we have seen some of that.
00:08:50.100 I'm talking about just people
00:08:51.560 that are kind of just on the cusp.
00:08:54.780 They're on the cusp.
00:08:55.780 And if government comes out
00:08:56.800 with another very draconian measure,
00:08:59.000 like the federal travel restrictions
00:09:00.840 could have been,
00:09:01.880 and it sounds like nearly were,
00:09:03.520 that would, I suspect at this point,
00:09:05.780 be enough to put people over the edge.
00:09:08.280 I think if Canadian families
00:09:10.220 are robbed of another Christmas,
00:09:12.480 that's going to push a lot of people
00:09:14.120 over the edge.
00:09:14.720 I think if a lot of students
00:09:16.360 are robbed of the ability
00:09:17.680 to go back to school in January,
00:09:18.940 that is going to push
00:09:20.120 a lot of people over the edge.
00:09:21.620 And it's just teetering.
00:09:23.240 It's just teetering.
00:09:24.320 It's almost there.
00:09:25.120 It's not there entirely.
00:09:26.420 And the moment could pass.
00:09:28.100 The moment could pass.
00:09:29.100 But right now,
00:09:30.060 I think governing officials
00:09:31.200 have to be very, very careful
00:09:33.740 about how they navigate
00:09:36.020 the next few weeks,
00:09:37.980 given where people are right now.
00:09:39.940 And this is something,
00:09:40.700 and again, it's entirely anecdotal.
00:09:42.820 I don't have data to back this up.
00:09:44.540 I'm just talking about this
00:09:45.920 based on what I've seen
00:09:46.980 and heard from people
00:09:47.780 in my orbits and my circles.
00:09:49.640 And do email me,
00:09:50.500 andrew at andrewlaughton.ca.
00:09:52.320 I'm curious if the same thing
00:09:54.220 is something that you're witnessing
00:09:55.420 in your own circles.
00:09:57.100 Do you find that people
00:09:58.080 that previously were okay with this
00:09:59.740 or were okay to go along with it,
00:10:01.200 at least,
00:10:01.800 are finally feeling
00:10:03.540 like they've had enough?
00:10:05.260 Or perhaps am I in
00:10:06.380 a little bit of an echo chamber?
00:10:07.620 I don't know.
00:10:08.500 I'm not making this claim
00:10:09.820 in a way that I would put,
00:10:11.120 you know,
00:10:11.360 10,000 bucks on it
00:10:12.560 and say I'm right.
00:10:13.780 It's just something
00:10:14.560 that I'm noticing
00:10:15.260 and I'm slightly hopeful about.
00:10:18.040 But I'm qualifying that
00:10:19.340 by putting the emphasis
00:10:20.900 on the slightly.
00:10:22.520 One thing I will say on this too,
00:10:24.460 because again,
00:10:24.920 the federal government's position
00:10:26.400 right now is just
00:10:27.860 you better not travel
00:10:29.320 if it's not essential.
00:10:30.440 But I mean,
00:10:31.080 ultimately,
00:10:31.380 you get to decide for yourself.
00:10:32.780 Like I may think of Hawaii.
00:10:33.980 I'm not going to Hawaii.
00:10:35.000 Actually,
00:10:35.220 I should go to Hawaii.
00:10:36.020 That's not essential
00:10:36.960 to a lot of people.
00:10:37.820 But if I decide I want to go,
00:10:39.520 you better believe
00:10:40.160 it's going to be essential
00:10:41.200 if the government is saying
00:10:42.500 that all non-essential travel
00:10:44.200 should be ceased.
00:10:46.160 But what is going to happen here
00:10:48.140 is the government
00:10:49.340 is going to find
00:10:50.020 that people are not going
00:10:50.840 to cancel their vacations
00:10:52.140 based on just the finger wagging.
00:10:53.980 You better not go anywhere.
00:10:55.260 So that is potentially
00:10:56.700 going to cause them
00:10:57.720 to ramp things up.
00:10:59.360 But again,
00:11:00.040 if the government
00:11:00.580 is looking at a political climate
00:11:01.920 that's shifting,
00:11:02.580 that may,
00:11:03.680 may cause them
00:11:04.600 to take a step back.
00:11:05.340 I don't have a lot of hope on this,
00:11:06.980 but something to watch.
00:11:09.240 Now,
00:11:09.460 interestingly enough,
00:11:10.220 I got to give a credit
00:11:11.080 where it's due here
00:11:11.780 because I found
00:11:12.860 that the conservatives
00:11:13.820 have just been completely
00:11:15.320 and utterly silent
00:11:16.560 on a lot of the big issues,
00:11:18.820 the issues that really matter,
00:11:20.520 like vaccine mandates,
00:11:22.120 like vaccine passports,
00:11:23.540 like travel restrictions.
00:11:24.560 They've been,
00:11:25.200 they've been kind of just opposing
00:11:26.560 for the sake of opposing.
00:11:28.160 And in some cases,
00:11:29.240 not even.
00:11:30.380 I mean,
00:11:30.780 Aaron O'Toole has,
00:11:32.260 was taking pride
00:11:33.240 in the fact
00:11:33.720 that his view
00:11:34.480 on Bill 21,
00:11:36.340 which is the horrifically
00:11:37.820 anti-religious freedom bill
00:11:39.280 in Quebec,
00:11:40.140 his position is the same
00:11:41.340 as the prime minister's.
00:11:42.160 That was his defense.
00:11:43.380 Yeah, yeah,
00:11:43.760 I think the same as Trudeau.
00:11:45.040 I'm not taking a stand
00:11:46.000 for religious liberty on this
00:11:47.740 because again,
00:11:48.340 Quebec can do no wrong
00:11:49.700 in the eyes
00:11:50.780 of the political class.
00:11:52.920 And I talked about
00:11:53.860 earlier on in the show,
00:11:55.100 I think it was
00:11:55.480 about three,
00:11:56.260 four weeks back,
00:11:57.280 that all of the conservatives
00:11:58.920 that were in a position
00:12:00.280 to speak out
00:12:00.840 against vaccine mandates
00:12:01.800 were conveniently sidelined.
00:12:03.940 You may remember
00:12:04.640 I talked about
00:12:05.340 the sheer volume
00:12:06.640 of MPs
00:12:07.340 in the conservative caucus
00:12:08.360 who were given
00:12:08.860 shadow cabinet roles,
00:12:10.460 deputy shadow cabinet roles,
00:12:12.020 leadership positions.
00:12:12.880 And it was just
00:12:13.780 a small subset,
00:12:15.780 a small subset
00:12:16.820 who were not,
00:12:17.500 I think it was about
00:12:17.980 a third
00:12:18.480 that were denied
00:12:19.780 some portfolio.
00:12:21.460 And of those,
00:12:22.780 of the unaligned,
00:12:24.220 the unaffiliated,
00:12:25.420 one of them gave
00:12:26.480 a very passionate defense
00:12:28.220 of individual choice,
00:12:30.220 of people that are
00:12:31.100 losing their jobs
00:12:31.920 because of vaccine mandates.
00:12:33.100 That was Jeremy Patser,
00:12:34.500 a backbench conservative MP.
00:12:36.860 And you can see him,
00:12:37.420 you can see in the video
00:12:38.220 I'm about to show you,
00:12:39.320 they shove him like
00:12:40.240 to the way,
00:12:40.880 way, way back.
00:12:41.660 Like he's right up
00:12:42.300 against the wall.
00:12:43.020 I don't even think
00:12:43.500 he can lean back
00:12:44.220 in his chair
00:12:45.120 without hitting the wall.
00:12:46.440 That's how little
00:12:47.160 the conservatives
00:12:47.720 want to hear
00:12:48.440 what this guy has to say.
00:12:49.820 But he took a stand.
00:12:51.020 He took a stand
00:12:51.760 in a statement given
00:12:52.800 in the House of Commons.
00:12:53.960 Take a look.
00:12:54.720 Mr. Speaker,
00:12:55.420 I rise in the House today
00:12:56.380 on behalf of thousands
00:12:57.340 of workers across Canada,
00:12:58.740 from members of our military
00:13:00.180 to first responders,
00:13:01.640 nurses,
00:13:02.220 to educators,
00:13:03.360 to janitorial staff
00:13:04.480 who have or are facing
00:13:05.880 the loss of their jobs
00:13:06.900 as a result of vaccine mandates.
00:13:09.080 These are our neighbors,
00:13:10.360 our colleagues,
00:13:11.020 our fellow citizens,
00:13:12.100 many who have sacrificed
00:13:13.160 and given so much
00:13:14.180 to build up our country
00:13:15.220 and many who have served us
00:13:16.640 throughout the worst
00:13:17.260 of this pandemic.
00:13:18.580 Yet now,
00:13:19.040 in the blink of an eye,
00:13:20.080 these same individuals
00:13:21.020 that we once praised
00:13:21.960 as heroes
00:13:22.560 are being treated
00:13:23.760 as second-class citizens
00:13:25.300 for a decision
00:13:26.040 that every Canadian
00:13:27.160 should have the freedom
00:13:28.320 to make for themselves.
00:13:29.500 And to add insult to injury,
00:13:31.900 this government
00:13:32.560 is denying them EI,
00:13:34.100 money that they have
00:13:34.820 long contributed to
00:13:35.900 and is rightfully theirs.
00:13:37.820 Mr. Speaker,
00:13:38.880 it's a disgrace
00:13:39.700 to see how this Liberal government
00:13:41.220 is intent on stripping
00:13:42.600 Canadians of their dignity
00:13:43.780 and sending a rift of division
00:13:45.540 from coast to coast.
00:13:47.600 To all the Canadians
00:13:48.380 who have lost their jobs
00:13:49.580 and to all the constituents
00:13:50.740 who have written out,
00:13:52.040 I hear you
00:13:52.780 and I will continue
00:13:53.720 to stand for you
00:13:54.560 and for this country,
00:13:55.980 the true north,
00:13:57.160 strong and free.
00:13:59.500 The Honourable Member
00:14:01.560 for New Market,
00:14:02.900 Aurora.
00:14:03.400 And I don't know if you noted,
00:14:04.280 Jeremy Patzer
00:14:05.160 got two standing ovations
00:14:06.600 from the MPs
00:14:07.640 on either side of him,
00:14:08.760 also on the
00:14:10.280 no-portfolio list
00:14:12.220 that I've put together
00:14:13.100 of Conservative MPs.
00:14:14.480 One of them,
00:14:14.840 Chris Workington,
00:14:15.620 who has been fairly vocal
00:14:17.140 in speaking up
00:14:18.400 against the leadership issues
00:14:19.720 in the Conservative caucus.
00:14:21.400 But he took a stand.
00:14:22.840 And you know what?
00:14:23.420 Good on Jeremy Patzer.
00:14:24.540 I don't know how long
00:14:25.300 he's going to be
00:14:25.880 kicking around
00:14:26.500 in the Conservative caucus.
00:14:27.740 If he starts talking
00:14:29.040 about things like freedom
00:14:30.060 and civil liberties,
00:14:30.980 he might not have a place
00:14:31.880 in the Conservative caucus
00:14:33.440 at this point.
00:14:34.140 I certainly hope
00:14:35.020 I'm wrong about that,
00:14:36.000 but good on him
00:14:36.660 for taking a stand.
00:14:38.800 Again,
00:14:39.180 all of the people
00:14:39.860 that we were supposed
00:14:41.260 to bang our pots and pans
00:14:43.000 and clang our household
00:14:44.540 implements to support,
00:14:46.120 all of a sudden,
00:14:47.140 they are the people
00:14:47.940 we're supposed to
00:14:48.540 shove out to the curb
00:14:49.260 if they don't want
00:14:49.780 to get vaccinated
00:14:50.380 against COVID
00:14:51.040 for whatever reason.
00:14:52.200 It doesn't matter
00:14:52.660 what that reason is.
00:14:53.640 We just do not allow people
00:14:54.900 to make their own choices now.
00:14:57.360 A lot of good feedback
00:14:58.240 to my interview
00:14:59.240 earlier this week
00:15:00.100 with Julie Panessi
00:15:01.020 about that very idea.
00:15:02.500 She said,
00:15:02.860 no, I'm not anti-vax,
00:15:04.000 I'm anti-vaccine mandate.
00:15:05.900 And we have a political climate
00:15:07.260 and culture
00:15:07.760 that assists on
00:15:08.600 conflating those two.
00:15:10.020 So when there is
00:15:10.780 the rare voice
00:15:11.820 in a political party
00:15:13.100 speaking up against
00:15:14.160 that narrative,
00:15:15.240 I think they deserve
00:15:15.880 to be commended.
00:15:16.700 So well done,
00:15:17.840 Jeremy Patzer.
00:15:18.700 We've got to take a break here.
00:15:20.700 When we come back,
00:15:21.640 more of the Andrew Lawton Show
00:15:22.720 here on True North.
00:15:23.600 You're tuned in
00:15:27.800 to the Andrew Lawton Show.
00:15:32.060 Welcome back
00:15:32.860 to the Andrew Lawton Show
00:15:34.280 here on True North.
00:15:35.540 Going to take a little bit
00:15:36.700 of a jaunt
00:15:37.120 one province west
00:15:38.300 of my current locale
00:15:39.460 to Manitoba.
00:15:41.180 Interestingly enough,
00:15:42.100 maybe it's not interesting
00:15:43.300 to you,
00:15:43.980 but it's interesting to me.
00:15:45.800 Barely, actually.
00:15:46.720 I don't know why I'm sharing it,
00:15:47.580 but now I have to
00:15:48.220 because I've started
00:15:48.780 down this road.
00:15:50.160 Manitoba is the only province
00:15:52.080 in Confederation
00:15:53.260 I've not visited.
00:15:54.640 Now, I haven't done
00:15:55.420 two of the three territories.
00:15:57.020 I've not done
00:15:57.500 Nunavut or Northwest Territories,
00:15:58.720 but I've been to
00:15:59.120 every single province
00:16:00.120 except Manitoba.
00:16:02.240 And one of my friends
00:16:03.040 said on principle,
00:16:04.340 I should just avoid
00:16:05.260 going to Manitoba
00:16:06.120 and just like leave that
00:16:07.100 as like the whole
00:16:07.720 in Central Canada
00:16:08.560 that I've never been to.
00:16:10.060 I don't know.
00:16:10.640 I mean, if I am going
00:16:11.500 to go to Manitoba,
00:16:12.160 I don't want it to be right now,
00:16:13.380 but I'll happily talk
00:16:14.220 to someone from Manitoba.
00:16:16.160 The PC party of Manitoba
00:16:18.580 had a leadership race
00:16:19.900 culminating on October 30th
00:16:22.400 at which Heather Stephenson,
00:16:24.420 a longtime MLA,
00:16:25.880 was crowned not just
00:16:27.440 the leader of the PCs,
00:16:28.480 but also the premier
00:16:29.540 of Manitoba,
00:16:31.000 replacing Brian Pallister,
00:16:32.740 who had stepped down earlier.
00:16:35.300 The race was fraught
00:16:37.000 with allegations
00:16:37.860 of irregularities.
00:16:38.980 You had members
00:16:39.540 not receiving their ballots
00:16:40.640 by mail.
00:16:41.300 You had discrepancies
00:16:42.080 about the count.
00:16:42.860 You had all of these things
00:16:44.580 that ultimately led
00:16:45.740 to Shelley Glover,
00:16:47.000 who was the runner-up
00:16:48.200 by a very small march
00:16:49.720 and saying that
00:16:50.680 she was basically robbed
00:16:52.540 out of a victory
00:16:53.800 that was hers.
00:16:54.860 She brought a claim to court
00:16:56.180 that was heard
00:16:57.160 by a judge last week
00:16:58.860 with a decision
00:16:59.460 expected any day now.
00:17:01.360 Shelley Glover,
00:17:02.000 the former Conservative
00:17:02.980 Member of Parliament
00:17:03.780 and former PC leadership
00:17:05.120 candidate,
00:17:05.720 joins me now.
00:17:06.760 Shelley, good to talk to you.
00:17:07.720 Thanks for coming on today.
00:17:09.680 Yeah, I'm happy to be here.
00:17:10.940 Thank you for calling.
00:17:11.760 So I want to go back
00:17:13.260 to the basics here.
00:17:14.340 Obviously,
00:17:15.120 when you are seeking
00:17:16.540 the leadership
00:17:17.260 of a governing party,
00:17:18.960 the stakes are a lot higher
00:17:20.140 than they are
00:17:20.780 in normal leadership races
00:17:22.500 because you aren't just
00:17:23.260 going to the top of the party,
00:17:24.700 but you're going to
00:17:25.600 directly into the premier seat
00:17:27.160 if you win.
00:17:28.380 Why did you want to get
00:17:29.680 in this race
00:17:30.260 in the first place?
00:17:32.620 Okay, well,
00:17:33.620 Andrew,
00:17:34.920 the race originally
00:17:37.500 started off
00:17:40.020 with an appearance
00:17:42.560 as if some people
00:17:44.740 in the party
00:17:45.400 were wanting
00:17:46.980 to keep everyone out.
00:17:48.640 Okay, so
00:17:49.180 I got a phone call
00:17:51.180 from one of the people
00:17:53.720 who was actually involved
00:17:54.940 in that ploy
00:17:57.820 and he told me
00:18:01.280 that this plan
00:18:02.700 had been underway
00:18:03.560 for some time.
00:18:05.640 Of course,
00:18:05.960 I was shocked
00:18:06.780 and thought,
00:18:07.660 you know,
00:18:08.200 this could never happen
00:18:09.480 in my party,
00:18:10.280 but unfortunately,
00:18:12.680 he suggested
00:18:13.860 I watch
00:18:14.620 for a,
00:18:15.740 an announcement
00:18:18.720 by one of the MLAs
00:18:21.080 and it would include
00:18:22.540 mostly all of the other MLAs
00:18:25.300 endorsing that person.
00:18:27.560 So, of course,
00:18:28.660 I did see that happen
00:18:30.240 and I did see
00:18:32.780 the rules come out
00:18:33.660 shortly thereafter,
00:18:34.860 which were orchestrated
00:18:36.420 and manipulated
00:18:37.480 by the MLAs
00:18:39.040 and executive council
00:18:41.180 so that they increased
00:18:43.000 the entry fee
00:18:43.860 to $25,000
00:18:45.560 and only $5,000
00:18:46.640 refundable
00:18:47.320 and shortened the race
00:18:49.240 to a 60-day race
00:18:51.000 from what's normally
00:18:51.740 a six-month race
00:18:52.780 and that was an attempt,
00:18:55.040 an obvious attempt
00:18:55.800 to keep everybody
00:18:56.580 out of the race
00:18:57.160 and I don't believe in that.
00:18:58.640 I believe our party
00:18:59.380 needed a race.
00:19:00.820 I believe we were
00:19:02.220 very much in need
00:19:03.460 of new members,
00:19:04.680 new money,
00:19:05.740 excitement for the party
00:19:07.020 because we were
00:19:07.840 really down in the polls
00:19:09.420 given some of the things
00:19:11.880 that Manitobans
00:19:13.260 disliked about
00:19:14.160 our former Premier
00:19:15.780 Brian Pallister.
00:19:17.360 So, this was an opportunity
00:19:18.640 in my mind
00:19:19.400 to get the party
00:19:21.660 back to a place
00:19:22.800 where we were judged
00:19:23.840 in a new way
00:19:25.400 and unfortunately
00:19:26.800 a coronation
00:19:28.540 was underway
00:19:29.360 and I decided
00:19:31.020 to run with many others
00:19:32.340 that I had encouraged
00:19:33.240 to run
00:19:33.720 in an effort
00:19:35.080 to stop
00:19:36.200 the coronation
00:19:37.020 and make sure
00:19:37.860 that our party
00:19:38.400 benefited from
00:19:39.200 the advantages
00:19:39.800 of having this race.
00:19:41.420 And then we fast forward
00:19:42.740 to the day
00:19:43.640 the results were announced
00:19:44.820 on October 30th
00:19:46.280 so just about
00:19:46.780 six weeks ago
00:19:47.700 and out of 16,000
00:19:49.440 some odd ballots cast
00:19:50.700 the official tally
00:19:51.900 had MLA Heather Stephenson
00:19:53.760 now the Premier
00:19:54.640 of Manitoba
00:19:55.420 with a lead
00:19:56.960 above you
00:19:57.460 by 363 votes.
00:19:59.700 Now, I want to bring us
00:20:01.020 up to speed here
00:20:01.840 because you obviously
00:20:02.700 were in court
00:20:03.840 your lawyer was arguing
00:20:04.900 that there were
00:20:05.840 a number of irregularities
00:20:07.000 that the count
00:20:07.620 basically was not valid
00:20:09.260 so just in the interest
00:20:10.420 of clarity
00:20:10.860 your position
00:20:11.460 is that you should
00:20:12.540 be the Premier
00:20:13.060 right now, correct?
00:20:15.120 Well, of course
00:20:15.740 I was not sworn in
00:20:18.300 as Premier
00:20:18.720 but I believe
00:20:19.660 I was the Premier
00:20:20.640 designate
00:20:21.300 I believe I won
00:20:22.340 that election
00:20:23.000 and it's based
00:20:24.560 on a number of things
00:20:25.840 and just remember
00:20:27.820 that, you know
00:20:28.880 the ploy
00:20:30.220 to keep everyone
00:20:31.040 out of this race
00:20:32.020 continued right
00:20:33.580 through to the end
00:20:34.580 in fact
00:20:36.200 I was sitting there
00:20:41.220 listening to the results
00:20:42.340 knowing that my magic number
00:20:44.520 which we all know
00:20:45.260 is however many ballots
00:20:47.620 were to be counted
00:20:48.680 half of that
00:20:50.360 plus one
00:20:51.340 is the magic number
00:20:52.620 that any candidate
00:20:53.520 looks at
00:20:54.440 before hearing
00:20:56.420 the results
00:20:57.160 because
00:20:57.660 you know
00:20:59.060 what number
00:20:59.640 you need
00:21:00.580 to win
00:21:01.100 in doing that math
00:21:02.920 so my magic number
00:21:04.460 was in fact
00:21:07.100 8,023
00:21:09.820 and so
00:21:11.420 when they announced
00:21:13.360 8,042
00:21:15.000 I thought I had won
00:21:17.100 and then all of a sudden
00:21:19.520 they announced
00:21:21.080 Heather Stephenson
00:21:21.920 as having
00:21:22.500 8,405
00:21:23.920 and I couldn't
00:21:25.380 understand
00:21:26.080 where these extra
00:21:27.080 500 votes
00:21:27.800 came from
00:21:28.260 so that's why
00:21:29.280 we ended up
00:21:29.820 in court
00:21:30.320 not only that
00:21:32.400 I mean ballots
00:21:33.160 didn't get out
00:21:33.740 to people
00:21:34.280 mainly my
00:21:35.260 voters
00:21:36.320 there were a number
00:21:38.480 of irregularities
00:21:39.540 including taking
00:21:40.340 the ballot boxes
00:21:41.300 out of the room
00:21:42.300 unsealed
00:21:43.140 even though
00:21:43.680 our
00:21:44.160 scrutineers
00:21:46.800 demanded
00:21:47.300 that they be
00:21:47.960 sealed
00:21:48.340 and you know
00:21:50.240 continuity
00:21:50.740 wasn't maintained
00:21:51.600 because our
00:21:52.020 scrutineers
00:21:52.460 weren't allowed
00:21:52.900 to follow
00:21:53.400 the ballots
00:21:53.940 out of the room
00:21:54.660 it was just
00:21:56.000 it was a mess
00:21:56.940 so I'm waiting
00:21:58.660 for a court
00:21:59.480 decision on Friday
00:22:00.680 and hopefully
00:22:01.980 we will see
00:22:03.060 this fixed
00:22:04.200 now your magic
00:22:06.360 number
00:22:06.880 so you
00:22:07.640 you reach this
00:22:08.440 by 50%
00:22:09.440 plus one
00:22:10.160 of the ballots
00:22:11.000 cast presumably
00:22:11.800 how did you get
00:22:12.600 that ballot
00:22:13.620 cast
00:22:14.120 ballots cast number
00:22:15.120 because that seems
00:22:15.840 to be a key
00:22:16.660 discrepancy here
00:22:17.840 between your case
00:22:19.280 and the PC
00:22:19.960 party's case
00:22:20.660 how many ballots
00:22:21.320 were actually cast
00:22:22.280 and the source
00:22:23.120 of that number
00:22:23.760 well you know
00:22:25.240 we received
00:22:27.500 at
00:22:27.900 it was
00:22:29.160 12 27
00:22:30.320 a.m
00:22:31.180 the day of the vote
00:22:32.260 so October 30th
00:22:33.320 we received
00:22:34.180 the final
00:22:35.300 voting list
00:22:36.460 and that's what
00:22:37.300 it was called
00:22:37.940 the final voting
00:22:39.200 list
00:22:39.560 from
00:22:40.900 the PC
00:22:42.360 party
00:22:42.780 from Stu
00:22:43.920 Charles
00:22:44.400 when you
00:22:45.920 when you look
00:22:46.380 when you look
00:22:46.400 at that final
00:22:47.020 list
00:22:47.340 16,045
00:22:48.860 is the number
00:22:49.900 of voters
00:22:50.740 who cast
00:22:51.760 ballots
00:22:52.440 and so
00:22:54.500 and then
00:22:55.100 at 1 54
00:22:57.340 a.m
00:22:58.160 same day
00:22:59.240 we even got
00:23:00.140 a breakdown
00:23:01.220 from a PC
00:23:02.780 party
00:23:03.180 member
00:23:04.200 that's Jason
00:23:04.800 Hamlin
00:23:05.340 a breakdown
00:23:06.640 of every day
00:23:07.860 that
00:23:08.300 our scrutineers
00:23:10.060 had attended
00:23:10.700 to
00:23:11.480 Scarrow and
00:23:12.920 Donald
00:23:13.140 which is
00:23:13.820 our
00:23:14.720 the party's
00:23:16.980 accounting firm
00:23:18.020 for over 20
00:23:18.920 years
00:23:19.300 and
00:23:20.720 that
00:23:22.300 that seemed
00:23:23.280 to suggest
00:23:23.740 as well
00:23:24.180 that
00:23:24.480 we were
00:23:25.240 nowhere near
00:23:26.240 that number
00:23:27.440 that was
00:23:28.220 presented
00:23:28.720 as the final
00:23:29.720 results
00:23:30.280 the night
00:23:31.020 of the counting
00:23:31.600 and
00:23:31.980 I can tell
00:23:32.940 you
00:23:33.300 my
00:23:34.980 co-campaign
00:23:35.960 manager
00:23:36.520 Lawrence
00:23:37.240 had been
00:23:37.820 at every
00:23:38.300 one of
00:23:38.700 those
00:23:39.060 meetings
00:23:40.000 to verify
00:23:40.580 votes
00:23:41.000 etc
00:23:41.340 except
00:23:41.640 for two
00:23:42.240 and Dale
00:23:42.860 smelts
00:23:43.560 from my
00:23:43.960 team
00:23:44.300 was there
00:23:44.620 those two
00:23:45.080 days
00:23:45.340 and our
00:23:45.840 numbers
00:23:46.180 all added
00:23:46.700 up
00:23:46.940 very similarly
00:23:48.020 to
00:23:48.620 Jason
00:23:49.540 Hamlin
00:23:50.060 so
00:23:50.420 we actually
00:23:52.460 had numbers
00:23:53.580 all over the
00:23:54.120 place
00:23:54.400 I mean
00:23:54.700 we had
00:23:55.120 Jason
00:23:55.420 Hamlin
00:23:55.900 we had
00:23:56.540 what the
00:23:57.460 party said
00:23:57.980 was the
00:23:58.300 number
00:23:58.600 we had
00:23:59.800 the final
00:24:00.920 voting list
00:24:01.740 number
00:24:02.220 we had
00:24:03.100 the results
00:24:04.020 in the
00:24:04.580 room
00:24:04.980 from our
00:24:05.880 lead
00:24:06.300 scrutineer
00:24:06.820 who had
00:24:07.060 gone to
00:24:07.380 every
00:24:07.580 table
00:24:07.900 and added
00:24:08.360 all of
00:24:08.700 those
00:24:08.840 up
00:24:09.100 that was
00:24:10.160 another
00:24:10.460 number
00:24:10.860 and
00:24:11.200 even
00:24:12.440 in the
00:24:12.900 room
00:24:13.200 even
00:24:13.960 Heather's
00:24:14.780 own
00:24:15.160 scrutineers
00:24:15.900 added up
00:24:16.760 all the
00:24:17.140 numbers
00:24:17.540 from the
00:24:18.160 ballots
00:24:19.460 that had
00:24:20.140 been
00:24:20.440 counted
00:24:21.240 because we
00:24:21.780 had tally
00:24:22.180 sheets
00:24:22.480 at every
00:24:22.820 table
00:24:23.180 and
00:24:23.980 they
00:24:24.540 were
00:24:24.760 upset
00:24:25.180 because
00:24:25.600 they
00:24:25.880 realized
00:24:26.640 that
00:24:27.520 she
00:24:27.720 had
00:24:27.900 lost
00:24:28.340 so
00:24:29.140 I
00:24:29.680 was
00:24:29.880 actually
00:24:30.180 the
00:24:30.340 winner
00:24:30.540 in
00:24:30.740 that
00:24:30.940 room
00:24:31.260 for
00:24:31.600 two
00:24:31.820 hours
00:24:32.180 while
00:24:32.380 they
00:24:32.540 locked
00:24:32.800 them
00:24:32.960 in
00:24:33.120 there
00:24:33.340 so
00:24:34.020 this
00:24:34.920 is
00:24:35.200 highly
00:24:35.960 unusual
00:24:36.480 and
00:24:36.860 irregular
00:24:37.300 and
00:24:37.920 this
00:24:38.160 is
00:24:38.320 why
00:24:38.680 it
00:24:39.160 led
00:24:39.360 to
00:24:39.580 this
00:24:39.820 court
00:24:40.080 case
00:24:40.360 that
00:24:40.560 we
00:24:40.720 are
00:24:40.880 now
00:24:41.160 waiting
00:24:41.460 for
00:24:41.660 decision
00:24:42.080 on
00:24:42.320 now
00:24:43.300 the
00:24:43.480 party's
00:24:44.000 defense
00:24:44.580 of the
00:24:45.300 discrepancy
00:24:46.000 on the
00:24:46.340 membership
00:24:46.740 list
00:24:47.200 was basically
00:24:48.160 incompetence
00:24:49.020 they just
00:24:49.360 said oh
00:24:49.700 no we
00:24:50.080 released a
00:24:51.040 list that
00:24:51.480 was full
00:24:52.120 of mistakes
00:24:52.800 here
00:24:53.040 now
00:24:53.260 I mean
00:24:53.800 generally
00:24:54.160 speaking
00:24:54.540 when you
00:24:54.820 have
00:24:55.020 something
00:24:55.260 like this
00:24:55.680 you're
00:24:55.980 talking
00:24:56.320 about
00:24:56.640 malice
00:24:57.140 or
00:24:57.360 incompetence
00:24:58.280 you
00:24:58.460 don't
00:24:58.720 buy
00:24:59.100 that
00:24:59.760 it
00:24:59.880 was
00:25:00.100 just
00:25:00.460 the
00:25:00.740 latter
00:25:01.120 in
00:25:01.320 this
00:25:01.480 case
00:25:01.860 I
00:25:03.300 don't
00:25:03.480 buy
00:25:03.720 it
00:25:03.960 and
00:25:04.240 here's
00:25:04.480 why
00:25:04.760 Andrew
00:25:05.100 so
00:25:06.200 from
00:25:06.700 day
00:25:06.920 one
00:25:07.300 we
00:25:08.120 tried
00:25:08.940 to
00:25:09.100 follow
00:25:09.320 every
00:25:09.580 rule
00:25:09.760 you know
00:25:10.040 I'm
00:25:10.220 a law
00:25:10.500 and order
00:25:10.840 person
00:25:11.240 having
00:25:11.620 served
00:25:12.360 28 years
00:25:12.980 with the
00:25:13.320 Winnipeg
00:25:13.700 police
00:25:13.980 service
00:25:14.400 that is
00:25:15.920 my
00:25:16.180 character
00:25:16.600 I
00:25:17.020 stand up
00:25:18.640 for
00:25:18.820 injustice
00:25:19.240 I
00:25:19.860 call out
00:25:20.500 people who
00:25:20.880 are not
00:25:21.180 following
00:25:21.540 the
00:25:21.720 rules
00:25:21.960 and I
00:25:22.240 can
00:25:22.380 tell
00:25:22.600 you
00:25:22.880 we
00:25:23.500 tried
00:25:23.880 to
00:25:24.040 follow
00:25:24.260 every
00:25:24.620 rule
00:25:24.980 although
00:25:25.440 my
00:25:29.540 opposition
00:25:30.620 didn't
00:25:31.880 follow
00:25:32.120 all the
00:25:32.460 rules
00:25:32.760 so
00:25:33.460 you know
00:25:34.400 it was
00:25:34.980 really
00:25:35.500 important
00:25:36.500 to me
00:25:36.960 that
00:25:37.220 we
00:25:37.900 cross
00:25:39.420 our
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00:32:16.460 everyone
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00:32:21.080 me
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00:32:22.140 me
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00:32:22.520 say
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00:32:23.000 is
00:32:23.300 wrong
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00:32:24.160 is
00:32:24.380 so
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00:32:30.000 need
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00:32:41.940 say
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00:32:42.480 I
00:32:43.240 love
00:32:43.720 this
00:32:43.980 party
00:32:44.400 I
00:32:47.540 their
00:32:47.920 policies
00:32:48.660 I
00:32:50.340 love
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00:33:00.880 an
00:33:01.000 election
00:33:01.340 so
00:33:01.660 it's
00:33:02.500 not
00:33:02.700 about
00:33:02.960 for
00:33:03.780 me
00:33:03.900 it's
00:33:04.040 not
00:33:04.160 about
00:33:04.380 how
00:33:04.640 the
00:33:04.780 party
00:33:05.040 treated
00:33:05.400 me
00:33:05.640 or
00:33:05.920 how
00:33:06.440 this
00:33:06.720 one
00:33:06.980 campaign
00:33:07.440 treated
00:33:07.760 me
00:33:08.120 I'm
00:33:09.520 standing
00:33:09.780 up
00:33:09.980 for
00:33:10.140 those
00:33:10.500 thousands
00:33:11.000 and
00:33:11.320 thousands
00:33:11.640 of
00:33:11.920 conservatives
00:33:12.360 who
00:33:12.900 believe
00:33:13.560 in
00:33:14.080 conservative
00:33:15.000 policies
00:33:15.560 and
00:33:15.820 values
00:33:16.300 and
00:33:17.020 I'll
00:33:17.180 always
00:33:17.420 stand
00:33:17.660 up
00:33:17.800 for
00:33:17.920 them
00:33:18.160 if
00:33:19.080 the
00:33:19.340 decision
00:33:19.920 doesn't
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00:33:21.380 is
00:33:21.580 this
00:33:21.740 still
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00:33:22.220 party
00:33:22.500 you'll
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00:33:23.200 the
00:33:23.280 next
00:33:23.480 election
00:33:23.920 well
00:33:25.540 we'll
00:33:25.740 have
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00:33:26.080 see
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00:33:27.960 party
00:33:28.300 has
00:33:28.900 repaired
00:33:29.500 many
00:33:30.100 of
00:33:30.260 the
00:33:30.380 things
00:33:30.780 that
00:33:31.320 were
00:33:31.660 wrong
00:33:32.020 and
00:33:32.200 I'll
00:33:32.320 give
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00:33:35.000 in
00:33:35.260 this
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00:33:37.140 rules
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00:33:37.900 and
00:33:38.220 it
00:33:38.420 took
00:33:38.700 four
00:33:39.220 days
00:33:39.700 to
00:33:40.560 get
00:33:40.920 the
00:33:41.400 package
00:33:42.040 the
00:33:43.080 application
00:33:43.600 package
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00:33:48.780 the
00:33:48.880 application
00:33:49.200 package
00:33:50.780 had
00:33:51.060 many
00:33:51.540 many
00:33:51.780 errors
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00:33:52.320 it
00:33:52.420 for
00:33:52.580 example
00:33:52.880 you
00:33:53.080 had
00:33:53.200 to
00:33:53.360 sign
00:33:53.580 a
00:33:53.740 form
00:33:54.000 that
00:33:54.200 said
00:33:54.480 I
00:33:55.600 will
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00:33:57.020 I
00:33:57.280 agree
00:33:57.560 to
00:33:57.760 all
00:33:57.940 the
00:33:58.120 policies
00:33:58.600 of
00:33:58.940 the
00:33:59.140 PC
00:34:00.080 party
00:34:00.740 of
00:34:00.900 Manitoba
00:34:01.460 and
00:34:02.440 so
00:34:02.620 when
00:34:02.760 I
00:34:02.920 phoned
00:34:03.240 to
00:34:03.420 say
00:34:03.560 well
00:34:03.700 where's
00:34:04.220 the
00:34:04.340 book
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00:34:04.700 policies
00:34:05.160 that
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00:34:05.600 used
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00:34:06.580 sat
00:34:06.800 on
00:34:06.920 the
00:34:07.040 communications
00:34:07.560 team
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00:34:08.280 25
00:34:08.720 years
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00:34:09.360 and
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00:34:10.960 they
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00:34:11.460 back
00:34:11.700 to
00:34:11.820 me
00:34:11.980 saying
00:34:12.280 oh
00:34:12.700 we
00:34:12.860 don't
00:34:13.020 have
00:34:13.260 any
00:34:13.420 policy
00:34:13.820 book
00:34:14.120 so
00:34:14.540 just
00:34:15.020 cross
00:34:15.420 that
00:34:15.640 out
00:34:15.960 and
00:34:16.400 put
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00:34:17.280 read
00:34:17.420 all
00:34:17.580 the
00:34:17.720 rules
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00:34:18.800 leadership
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00:34:23.880 was
00:34:24.020 obvious
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00:34:25.260 no
00:34:25.540 intention
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00:34:26.180 holding
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00:34:26.560 race
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00:34:27.360 were
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00:34:27.720 going
00:34:27.940 to
00:34:28.100 coronate
00:34:28.480 someone
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00:34:29.260 so
00:34:29.920 they've
00:34:30.140 got
00:34:30.240 to
00:34:30.340 repair
00:34:30.580 a
00:34:30.780 lot
00:34:30.940 of
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00:34:31.420 in
00:34:32.280 order
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00:34:32.620 me
00:34:32.740 to
00:34:32.900 stand
00:34:33.180 up
00:34:33.360 and
00:34:33.520 say
00:34:33.700 you
00:34:33.920 are
00:34:34.180 conservative
00:34:35.000 you
00:34:36.360 are
00:34:36.620 following
00:34:37.580 conservative
00:34:38.160 values
00:34:38.840 and
00:34:39.200 following
00:34:39.740 policies
00:34:41.020 that
00:34:41.360 I
00:34:41.540 actually
00:34:42.000 agree
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00:34:43.000 without
00:34:43.220 a
00:34:43.420 policy
00:34:43.800 book
00:34:44.040 it's
00:34:44.240 hard
00:34:44.380 to
00:34:44.540 tell
00:34:44.760 whether
00:34:45.000 they're
00:34:45.240 a
00:34:45.380 conservative
00:34:45.840 a
00:34:46.140 liberal
00:34:46.380 or
00:34:46.600 an
00:34:46.720 NDP
00:34:47.040 and
00:34:48.180 that's
00:34:48.420 not
00:34:48.600 acceptable
00:34:49.040 it's
00:34:49.500 unacceptable
00:34:50.080 for a
00:34:50.740 party
00:34:50.960 not
00:34:51.180 to
00:34:51.320 have
00:34:51.500 a
00:34:51.620 policy
00:34:51.960 book
00:34:52.300 Shelley
00:34:53.820 Glover
00:34:54.140 thank
00:34:54.400 you
00:34:54.500 very
00:34:54.680 much
00:34:55.000 you're
00:34:55.760 very
00:34:56.020 welcome
00:34:56.380 and
00:34:56.860 you
00:34:56.980 have
00:34:57.120 a
00:34:57.240 Merry
00:34:57.400 Christmas
00:34:57.800 Andrew
00:34:58.180 That
00:35:01.820 was
00:35:02.020 former
00:35:02.500 Manitoba
00:35:03.160 PC
00:35:03.480 leadership
00:35:03.900 candidate
00:35:04.420 Shelley
00:35:04.740 Glover
00:35:05.100 as she
00:35:05.400 said
00:35:05.640 at the
00:35:05.960 beginning
00:35:06.160 of the
00:35:06.400 interview
00:35:06.680 she
00:35:06.900 believes
00:35:07.240 she
00:35:07.460 is
00:35:07.720 the
00:35:07.860 premier
00:35:08.140 of
00:35:10.240 Alberta
00:35:10.520 that
00:35:10.760 honor
00:35:11.020 is
00:35:11.240 officially
00:35:11.680 bestowed
00:35:12.200 on
00:35:12.520 Heather
00:35:12.760 Stephenson
00:35:13.240 though
00:35:13.660 obviously
00:35:14.020 we'll
00:35:14.220 see
00:35:14.440 what
00:35:15.040 the
00:35:15.180 judge
00:35:15.400 has
00:35:15.640 to
00:35:15.780 say
00:35:15.920 this
00:35:16.120 week
00:35:16.320 and
00:35:16.460 I'm
00:35:16.720 glad
00:35:16.940 Shelley
00:35:17.220 has
00:35:17.540 realistic
00:35:18.120 expectations
00:35:18.760 of
00:35:18.980 this
00:35:19.140 courts
00:35:19.440 do
00:35:20.020 not
00:35:20.320 they
00:35:20.500 want
00:35:20.740 to
00:35:20.840 just
00:35:21.060 avoid
00:35:21.540 political
00:35:22.020 parties
00:35:22.540 as
00:35:22.880 much
00:35:23.240 as
00:35:23.400 they
00:35:23.580 can
00:35:24.000 because
00:35:24.560 no
00:35:25.160 I
00:35:25.340 whatever
00:35:26.440 esteem
00:35:27.060 you
00:35:27.240 hold
00:35:27.520 judges
00:35:27.920 in
00:35:28.140 and
00:35:28.260 in
00:35:28.420 a lot
00:35:28.700 of
00:35:28.820 cases
00:35:29.120 it's
00:35:29.380 very
00:35:29.600 low
00:35:29.880 for
00:35:30.080 me
00:35:30.260 but
00:35:30.840 they
00:35:31.060 don't
00:35:31.360 want
00:35:31.600 to
00:35:31.740 be
00:35:31.920 seen
00:35:32.560 as
00:35:33.700 trying
00:35:33.960 to
00:35:34.120 just
00:35:34.300 play
00:35:34.560 kingmaker
00:35:35.200 when
00:35:35.880 it
00:35:36.000 comes
00:35:36.240 to
00:35:36.380 the
00:35:36.500 political
00:35:36.760 process
00:35:37.280 especially
00:35:37.960 internally
00:35:38.580 in
00:35:38.820 political
00:35:39.100 parties
00:35:39.480 so
00:35:39.680 that's
00:35:40.320 the
00:35:40.440 challenge
00:35:40.720 but
00:35:40.880 obviously
00:35:41.180 we'll
00:35:41.380 keep
00:35:41.520 an
00:35:41.640 eye
00:35:41.760 out
00:35:41.900 for
00:35:42.020 that
00:35:42.240 in
00:35:42.620 the
00:35:42.700 meantime
00:35:42.920 we've
00:35:43.240 got
00:35:43.420 to
00:35:43.620 end
00:35:43.900 things
00:35:44.200 there
00:35:44.500 my
00:35:44.680 thanks
00:35:44.940 to
00:35:45.080 all
00:35:45.280 of
00:35:45.420 you
00:35:45.560 for
00:35:45.820 tuning
00:35:46.080 into
00:35:46.300 the
00:35:46.440 show
00:35:46.580 today
00:35:46.800 we'll
00:35:46.960 talk
00:35:47.160 to
00:35:47.240 you
00:35:47.340 soon
00:35:47.580 with
00:35:48.020 more
00:35:48.260 of
00:35:48.520 Canada's
00:35:49.020 most
00:35:49.440 irreverent
00:35:49.920 talk
00:35:50.160 show
00:35:50.360 here
00:35:50.600 on
00:35:50.780 True
00:35:50.940 North
00:35:51.180 thank
00:35:51.720 you
00:35:51.880 God
00:35:52.140 bless
00:35:52.460 and
00:35:52.620 good
00:35:52.780 day
00:35:53.020 thanks
00:35:54.100 for
00:35:54.240 listening
00:35:54.540 to
00:35:54.720 the
00:35:54.860 Andrew
00:35:55.140 Lawton
00:35:55.440 show
00:35:55.740 support
00:35:56.320 the
00:35:56.480 program
00:35:56.800 by
00:35:57.000 donating
00:35:57.360 to
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00:35:57.760 North
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