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00:00:00.000 Have you guys got your Christmas shopping for the year done?

00:00:05.880 You're good.

00:00:06.640 Absolutely not.

00:00:07.680 Absolutely not.

00:00:08.880 Really?

00:00:09.300 Even with the GST, HST, easy to understand tax break,

00:00:13.480 you haven't rushed right out to get your shopping done?

00:00:15.520 You know, the other thing that the government completely screwed up on

00:00:19.020 that has totally screwed up my Christmas shopping

00:00:21.320 has been this Canada Post strike.

00:00:23.580 So, number one, the whole idea of doing back-to-work legislation

00:00:27.340 is unpopular anyway.

00:00:28.620 So, you just, you eat that.

00:00:30.560 You eat that unpopularity of saying, get back to work.

00:00:32.920 But only this government, William, could manage to pull off of,

00:00:37.900 go ahead and go back to work.

00:00:39.320 By the way, Christmas is still screwed for everyone.

00:00:42.120 Good job.

00:00:42.940 Good job, everybody.

00:00:43.840 So, yeah, needless to say, this mom who has, like, relatives across Canada,

00:00:48.280 y'all are getting your presents around, I don't know, Valentine's Day.

00:00:51.680 So, no.

00:00:54.200 No, it was the worst of both worlds.

00:00:55.880 It was the worst of both worlds.

00:00:57.160 It was like, oh, yeah, well, we're going to put you back to work,

00:01:00.060 so we're going to piss off the unions, but we're going to delay it 0.74

00:01:02.600 so that all Canadians can, you know, equally feel the pain, you know.

00:01:05.920 It was just like, at this point, Trudeau's not even trying. 0.98

00:01:10.220 It's kind of ridiculous. 0.79

00:01:12.260 William, are you one of those dudes that goes out on, like, Christmas Eve day 0.96

00:01:16.160 and you're out at the mall?

00:01:17.580 I can picture you.

00:01:18.260 No, I did my shopping mostly on Black Friday, but unfortunately, with the post-strike for

00:01:25.320 Christmas, technically, everybody's going to get the drill count of posts, sorry, we missed

00:01:30.160 you, we'll let you pick up your package at a deeply inconvenient location slips.

00:01:36.400 I think that's what everybody's going to get this year.

00:01:38.520 I'm actually screen grabbing things.

00:01:40.640 I'm buying people and I'm printing them as pictures and I'm sticking them under the tree.

00:01:44.800 Whatever, they're not here, you're stuck in a truck somewhere.

00:01:48.940 All right, guys, this is too much fun.

00:01:50.820 Let's get this started.

00:02:00.160 Welcome to Off the Record on True North.

00:02:02.480 I'm Chris Sims.

00:02:03.320 I'm the Alberta Director for the Canadian Taxpayers Federation, pinch hitting this week,

00:02:07.540 so thank you so much for listening to me, along with my friends, William and Noah.

00:02:12.100 Gentlemen, this week feels like it's been about three weeks long, and I think that's because

00:02:18.720 a lot of people got what would be a surprise resignation from the Finance Minister this week.

00:02:24.820 It has been quite something.

00:02:27.620 So for folks who've been asleep and didn't know, Finance Minister Chrystia Freeland was

00:02:33.040 supposed to deliver her fall economic update.

00:02:35.980 What that means in normal people talk is like a baby budget, like a mini budget, where you

00:02:40.080 update the numbers, and that was supposed to be done like weeks ago, but it was going to then

00:02:46.880 be done on Monday.

00:02:48.160 Turns out, yeah, no, sorry, no soup for them.

00:02:52.000 They blew through their so-called fiscal guardrail, which, by the way, was a $40 billion deficit,

00:02:58.560 which is a crazy, terrible fail, okay, from this government.

00:03:01.900 But they blew through that, and it's about a $62 billion deficit.

00:03:07.360 But apparently, Freeland didn't want to polish that one for Trudeau, and she resigned before 0.92

00:03:13.740 that could happen.

00:03:14.700 So I just wanted to go around the horn before we get to our clips and all the fun that happened

00:03:18.640 after that.

00:03:19.660 What was your guys' reaction to that when you saw the wheels falling off there on Monday?

00:03:23.840 My favorite part was when the speaker stood up at 4 o'clock.

00:03:28.880 He's like, well, it's 4 o'clock, and technically I'm supposed to stand up and get the finance

00:03:32.720 minister to talk, but there's no finance minister.

00:03:36.080 That was wild.

00:03:39.800 No, I thought it was a really interesting day.

00:03:43.000 You know, I woke up on a Monday thinking, oh, well, it's going to be another day, maybe

00:03:47.080 the fall economic statement provides some news.

00:03:49.460 But I did not have this one on my bingo card, and I'm pretty sure most people didn't either.

00:03:55.080 I mean, it's understandable from Chrysler Freeland's perspective as someone who wants to run for

00:04:00.320 the liberal leadership after Trudeau and someone who doesn't want to have their reputation tarnished

00:04:05.960 further.

00:04:07.220 You know, it's not like her reputation is, you know, extremely clean.

00:04:10.800 You know, she's widely beloved by all Canadians.

00:04:13.600 But tabling a fall economic statement in which you blow past your fiscal guardrail, it really

00:04:22.820 does not help if you're trying to, you know, appeal to Canadians and try and convince them

00:04:28.020 that you are going to be able to adequately manage the country's finances if you become

00:04:32.640 prime minister.

00:04:33.800 So she did.

00:04:35.440 And she also has a book coming out, which is interesting.

00:04:38.460 It's called Chrysler.

00:04:39.160 So, you know, I think, you know, this was probably, you know, more or less planned by

00:04:43.780 her.

00:04:44.360 She, you know, came to this conclusion probably a while ago.

00:04:47.960 And it also seems that this was like a bit of an interpersonal dispute between Trudeau and

00:04:52.920 Freeland.

00:04:53.560 Freeland has been very loyal to Trudeau, one of Trudeau's most valiant soldiers.

00:04:59.320 And she has taken a lot of blows on behalf of the prime minister.

00:05:03.860 But after the prime minister said, yeah, I want you out of the finance ministry, I'm going

00:05:08.260 to put you in a role with where you get no staff and no additional resources, you're

00:05:14.100 basically just going to have a nameplate on a door and that's about it.

00:05:19.660 She's like, no, I'm not going to deal with this.

00:05:21.600 I want to be prime minister in the future.

00:05:23.160 I'm gone.

00:05:24.200 And it looks as if a lot of liberals are, you know, looking up there as like a folk hero

00:05:29.420 of sorts, but it's definitely a lot, all the more pressure for the prime minister to

00:05:35.120 resign after a disastrous year in office.

00:05:38.540 William, what did you think about Freeland's JetBlue performance?

00:05:42.240 Well, look, I think I figured out what happened.

00:05:44.940 And it's that Justin Trudeau went to the new finance minister store and he ordered himself

00:05:50.900 a new finance minister.

00:05:52.240 But unfortunately, because of the Canada Post strike, the new finance minister didn't show

00:05:56.740 up on time.

00:05:57.360 Mark Carney's probably stuck in a Canada Post warehouse right now, waiting for Canada Post

00:06:03.140 to deliver him.

00:06:03.960 So the fact that he already fired his former finance minister without actually getting a

00:06:09.520 replacement left him into a really embarrassing situation on Monday, where Chrystia Freeland, 0.78

00:06:15.560 after being put upon by this prime minister, oh, so much over the past few months, finally

00:06:20.760 said enough is enough.

00:06:21.940 I'm not going to defend an economic update with measures in it that I don't believe in.

00:06:27.720 And I'm certainly not going to do it knowing that you've tried to boot me or have booted

00:06:32.500 me for someone else.

00:06:34.260 By the way, someone else who didn't want to even join Mr. Trudeau's government.

00:06:38.880 And I mean, it is hilarious.

00:06:40.720 It is.

00:06:40.960 You couldn't have planned a better set of circumstances, I think, for all of this to

00:06:45.280 happen.

00:06:46.060 It to me, I felt some undertones.

00:06:49.000 For those of you who are a little older, you may remember there was another finance minister

00:06:53.700 who lost his job in kind of a similar way.

00:06:57.380 His name was Paul Martin.

00:06:58.360 And he was fired by John Krekshan because Krekshan decided he didn't want him anymore.

00:07:04.420 He wasn't being loyal, didn't have his confidence, whatever the case is.

00:07:07.720 Well, you know, if you looked what happened after that, Mr. Krekshan was not long for his

00:07:13.060 premiership after that.

00:07:14.300 In fact, some would say it was the incident that finally brought Mr. Krekshan tumbling

00:07:19.760 down.

00:07:20.500 Will that happen this time?

00:07:22.000 I guess we'll only have to wait and see.

00:07:24.340 But certainly everything is not happy in liberal land right now.

00:07:27.740 No, for sure.

00:07:28.960 I am old enough to remember that.

00:07:30.880 I was working on Parliament Hill when that happened.

00:07:33.480 And I remember distinctly Paul Martin was in a press conference and he was asked something

00:07:38.000 along the lines of, do you have confidence in the prime minister?

00:07:41.040 And he hesitated a little tiny smidge too long.

00:07:43.760 And then all hell broke loose.

00:07:45.200 I will point out from a taxpayer's perspective, this is a totally different liberal government.

00:07:51.180 We have got a record deficit.

00:07:54.180 And Chrystia Freeland, as finance minister, helped Trudeau double the national debt.

00:08:02.400 She was a huge carbon tax cheerleader. 1.00

00:08:05.480 She loved hiking up the capital gains tax on people's properties and assets.

00:08:10.200 She froze Canadians' bank accounts when they had the temerity to disagree with her government

00:08:15.440 peacefully.

00:08:16.380 So yeah, she's one of the worst finance ministers I've ever known in Canadian history. 0.98

00:08:20.760 And I'm saying one of the to hedge my bets because I'm always scared there's some alternate

00:08:26.120 dimension way back in the 1800s that I'm not aware of where there was a worse finance minister.

00:08:31.880 But brother, she's up there.

00:08:34.280 So as far as the Parliamentary Press Gallery goes, they can save the sonnets, okay, when it

00:08:38.960 comes to Freeland.

00:08:39.680 All that said, William and Noah, I did enjoy the circus that happened afterwards, and it

00:08:47.080 just kept rolling all week.

00:08:48.520 We've got this clip, and it is a clip, it's a long one, from Prime Minister Justin Trudeau.

00:08:53.500 And I've been told to say this, warning, it's a clip from Prime Minister Justin Trudeau.

00:08:58.580 So please stay with us, listen to the entire thing.

00:09:00.760 But this is fascinating, because this is, keep in mind, after Freeland quits, after they

00:09:08.000 have no finance minister to deliver a terrible fall economic statement, after a massive caucus

00:09:15.400 meeting that went on and on, where Freeland apparently got a standing ovation, and he did

00:09:20.900 not.

00:09:21.620 So imagine all of this going up to your annual holiday party.

00:09:26.780 That's awkward.

00:09:28.240 All right, play this clip.

00:09:29.200 It has been an eventful couple of days, it hasn't been easy, and that's why I'm so happy

00:09:36.720 to see you guys.

00:09:41.120 You know, it's hard not to feel happy when we're like this, among liberals, among family,

00:09:48.460 because that's what we really are, a big family.

00:09:51.640 Now, like, like most families, sometimes we have fights around the holidays.

00:10:00.660 But of course, like most families, we find our way through it.

00:10:05.320 You know, I love this country.

00:10:16.280 I deeply love this party.

00:10:18.380 I love you guys.

00:10:19.800 And love is what families are all about.

00:10:22.120 Yeah, um, don't drink the punch.

00:10:28.180 Just singing.

00:10:29.940 Don't drink the punch.

00:10:31.520 I've been in the arena a long time.

00:10:33.760 I've talked to that prime minister probably three dozen times.

00:10:37.820 He's mad.

00:10:39.880 He was basically talking through gritted teeth there.

00:10:42.840 What was your take on it quickly there, guys, William and Noah?

00:10:46.440 Well, I mean, I loved the whole we are family.

00:10:50.040 And I thought, yeah, you know, the Manson family called themselves a family, too.

00:10:54.220 That's what I meant.

00:10:55.340 Like, don't drink the punch.

00:10:57.900 Definitely a cringeworthy moment.

00:11:01.180 He almost seems divorced from reality.

00:11:03.880 That what has happened in the real world doesn't even go through his head.

00:11:10.680 That he, you know, I kind of want a vacation where Mr. Trudeau's, you know, mind is at.

00:11:16.240 Because it seems like a happy, warm, and fun place.

00:11:18.780 Because it's definitely not the reality the rest of us are sitting in.

00:11:21.940 I think, you know, for him to go to a very high-end liberal fundraiser following his terrible day,

00:11:27.880 not to talk to reporters, not to talk to Canadians about the fact that their elected government

00:11:32.420 appears to be in complete disarray.

00:11:34.420 But boy, he always has time for liberal donors who paid a lot of money to the Liberal Party.

00:11:40.020 Makes time for them.

00:11:40.720 I think really just sums up this prime minister.

00:11:43.080 Party before country and self before anyone else.

00:11:47.820 Well, you hit it right on the head of the nail there, William.

00:11:50.820 Because instead of addressing the Canadian people after that tumultuous day,

00:11:54.860 I mean, it wasn't just political chaos.

00:11:57.780 It had an effect on the Canadian economy.

00:12:00.240 We saw our dollar drop below $0.70 per dollar of value to the American dollar.

00:12:07.460 So, like, this had an implication when it came to the financial markets,

00:12:13.020 and especially the bond markets.

00:12:15.060 We had people in the bond market saying,

00:12:18.040 hey, like, can we really trust Canadian bonds and buy these bonds

00:12:22.060 when Canada looks like it's going to have even a harder and harder time paying back their debt?

00:12:27.020 But this was a very serious day.

00:12:30.260 And Prime Minister Justin Trudeau would rather go in front of a friendly crowd of liberals,

00:12:35.840 the most diehard of diehard, and make jokes. 0.96

00:12:39.180 I think it's a little disgusting.

00:12:40.660 And not only did he do that, but he canceled all of his year-end interviews.

00:12:44.080 The prime minister usually gives at least one, a few year-end interviews generally.

00:12:49.400 And he decided, hey, I'm not even going to just cancel all of them,

00:12:52.620 except for one, maybe with his favorite reporter at the Global Mail or Global News or CBC or whatever.

00:12:59.680 He didn't even do any interviews.

00:13:01.240 He's not going to do any interviews.

00:13:02.980 And it really shows, like, it really looks like he's trying to avoid political accountability.

00:13:07.240 He's not trying to face the Canadian people because he's probably just trying to—

00:13:14.080 he probably feels that if he can reconstitute a plan to regain his support.

00:13:19.900 But that opportunity is long gone.

00:13:23.280 He's delusional if he thinks that's a possibility.

00:13:26.020 And it's a shame that in a democracy like ours, the prime minister doesn't want to face the people.

00:13:32.420 I find it very interesting that after nine years of puffball interviews that he's been given by the mainstream media

00:13:40.800 and largely directly from the press gallery to zero in on them,

00:13:44.480 I hold them responsible for the fact that they've given this guy carte blanche free reign for the last nine years.

00:13:50.920 And the moment that he might get an uncomfortable question at the year-end interview, he's not showing up.

00:13:58.620 So very interesting.

00:14:00.420 These are the sunny ways.

00:14:01.880 Yeah, right, exactly.

00:14:03.020 In the sunny ways.

00:14:04.040 So it just speaks, you know, frankly, it just speaks to the fact that he's never had to be accountable.

00:14:09.160 Like, he's never had to worry about a bill.

00:14:10.960 He's never had to worry about paying rent.

00:14:12.560 That's why it's so, frankly, disgusting when he jets down to places like Brazil to some Up With People conference

00:14:18.380 and scolds all the rest of us, saying that we should value paying his carbon tax over feeding our kids and paying rent

00:14:26.820 as if he knows the first thing about either of those two things.

00:14:31.180 So to me, it just speaks volumes.

00:14:33.040 It's the same guy who wanted the budget to balance itself, right?

00:14:36.720 And said, forgive me if I don't think about monetary policy.

00:14:39.860 This is what you get.

00:14:41.100 You get a doubled national debt.

00:14:43.760 Doubled.

00:14:44.060 Our debt is more than $1.2 trillion.

00:14:48.160 For the folks at home, that's $1,000 billion.

00:14:51.840 If you started counting right now, it would take you 30,000 years to count to $1 trillion.

00:14:57.980 The Ice Age was more recent than that.

00:15:01.980 That's crazy.

00:15:02.800 So that's where we are after this Trudeau government.

00:15:05.380 Speaking of delusional, did we want to move on to the leader of the NDP, Jagmeet Singh?

00:15:11.400 And I will give some credit to my old colleagues at the Parliamentary Press Gallery here,

00:15:16.700 because you can hear them, William, getting exasperated, finally, finally, with this NDP leader,

00:15:25.740 because amid all of this stuff, finance minister quitting, having to rush down to governor general,

00:15:32.060 begging, you know, his old babysitter to become finance minister, all this stuff happening,

00:15:36.840 Jagmeet Singh comes out and speaks to reporters and again says exactly nothing.

00:15:41.080 William, what was your take on this?

00:15:42.560 Can you break it down for us?

00:15:44.380 Yeah, you know, Jagmeet Singh, that paragon of political strategy and effectiveness in the House of Commons

00:15:50.760 has, you know, just become such a laughingstock for all of us who follow Canadian politics.

00:15:57.600 You know, this is a guy who said he was ripping up the Supply and Confidence Agreement,

00:16:02.220 proceeded to continue to vote to keep Trudeau and the Trudeau government in power.

00:16:06.760 Well, you would think out of any time that this would be the moment he would summon himself

00:16:12.080 to finally say enough is enough.

00:16:14.780 We're going to vote no confidence in this government.

00:16:17.400 But of course, never one to miss an opportunity.

00:16:20.320 Jagmeet Singh completely missed the opportunity.

00:16:23.440 And instead, to a yes, no question, gave this incredible, well thought out and concise answer.

00:16:32.740 Let's let's watch this amazing clip together.

00:16:35.000 Right now, Canadians are struggling with the cost of living.

00:16:39.420 I hear it everywhere I go.

00:16:40.700 People cannot find a home that they can afford.

00:16:43.440 They can't buy their groceries.

00:16:44.860 And on top of that, we have Trump threatening tariffs at 25 percent, which put hundreds and

00:16:51.420 thousands of Canadian jobs at risk.

00:16:54.800 And instead of focusing on these issues, Justin Trudeau and the Liberals are focused on themselves.

00:16:59.700 They're fighting themselves instead of fighting for Canadians. 0.61

00:17:01.880 And for that reason, today, I'm calling on Justin Trudeau to resign.

00:17:05.980 He has to go.

00:17:07.300 Will you declare no confidence in the Liberal government as soon as possible?

00:17:10.560 All tools, all options are on the table.

00:17:14.900 People are hurting.

00:17:16.200 People are struggling.

00:17:17.440 And so all options are on the table.

00:17:19.040 That means everything is possible.

00:17:20.940 But what is clear, given what we have seen, Justin Trudeau and the Liberal government that

00:17:25.800 are focused on themselves.

00:17:27.000 They are infighting at a time when people cannot even do their groceries.

00:17:30.960 They can't even find homes that are affordable.

00:17:33.800 And we've got the threat of Donald Trump and 25 percent tariffs that mean hundreds of thousands

00:17:39.360 of jobs are at risk.

00:17:40.800 Because of that, I'm saying very clearly that Justin Trudeau has to resign.

00:17:45.740 All options are on the table.

00:17:47.020 Thank you very much.

00:17:47.580 That's a nice touch, this part.

00:17:51.560 Yeah, that's good.

00:17:52.540 The I feel like the equivocation in my soul touch.

00:17:56.340 That's right.

00:17:57.440 That's good.

00:17:58.300 Very, very good.

00:17:59.220 Just from watching that.

00:18:00.480 Yeah.

00:18:01.340 Just from watching that, you can just sense all the political cynicism just emanating

00:18:07.780 from the front hole that he has on his face.

00:18:10.660 Like, it's really, it's really, like, just annoying that he won't come out and just say

00:18:16.540 what his true intentions are.

00:18:17.960 He's keeping the Trudeau government in power because he sees that the NDP are down in the

00:18:22.680 polls and he doesn't want to go to an election where they're probably going to lose seats

00:18:26.320 in an election where they should easily win seats as an opposition party when the government

00:18:30.520 is extremely unpopular.

00:18:32.500 That and also because he wants to get his pension, you know, like, like, you have a lot of money

00:18:37.540 already.

00:18:37.860 Like, we see the Prada bags and the Maseratis and the Rolexes and the $2,000 suits, you know,

00:18:44.040 like, now he wants even more money on the back of taxpayers.

00:18:47.760 He wants to go get his pension.

00:18:49.140 Like, he's a hustler, you know, and I would be able to respect that if he was hustling to

00:18:55.740 improve the lives of Canadians.

00:18:57.520 But instead, he's just hustling to, you know, line his pockets and to, you know, keep a very,

00:19:03.600 very unpopular prime minister in power.

00:19:05.920 If he decided to not, you know, sign this confidence and supply and confidence agreement,

00:19:12.100 then he would have been able to position his party as a true opposition party to a prime

00:19:16.880 minister.

00:19:17.200 That is not good.

00:19:18.280 And then he decided to, you know, take the supply and confidence agreement and rip it

00:19:22.920 up, you know.

00:19:23.800 So, and then he still is supplying them with confidence.

00:19:27.640 It's actually, like, really, really annoying as an observer of Canadian politics.

00:19:33.760 And I think most Canadians are annoyed because polls show 58% of Canadians want to go to an

00:19:39.980 election.

00:19:40.300 A majority of NDP voters want to go to an election.

00:19:44.480 33% of liberal voters want an election.

00:19:47.940 So, it's not as if he is, you know, fighting against this demand from the Conservatives for

00:19:54.900 an election that is going to be unpopular like the 2021 election.

00:19:58.560 This is probably the election that Canadians have wanted the most in years, in decades even.

00:20:04.600 And he won't give the people what they want.

00:20:08.080 William?

00:20:09.480 It is truly hilarious.

00:20:10.960 And I apologize for not knowing if it was either Chris Sully or Matt Gurney.

00:20:14.800 One of the two posted a great tweet.

00:20:17.120 And it was about Justin Trudeau basically carrying a sword, slipping, falling on the sword,

00:20:24.560 having a spill of oil on himself, lighting himself on fire at the same time as scabbing

00:20:29.540 himself with the sword.

00:20:30.320 And he says, Jagmeet Singh looking on, eyes narrow, thinking closely and saying, not yet.

00:20:36.340 And that really is what it comes down to.

00:20:38.840 And I mean, I think, you know, there's been a lot of speculation.

00:20:41.760 Why is Mr. Singh delaying this election?

00:20:44.460 Why is he avoiding collapsing the government?

00:20:47.040 And one of the theories that has been put forward is, is because if he waits just a little

00:20:52.820 bit longer, another two months, he becomes eligible for his government taxpayer funded index

00:20:59.280 length MP pension.

00:21:01.260 And New Democrats have been very quick and ardent in denying that this is the reason, except

00:21:07.240 they have yet to provide a convincing alternative reason for why they're actually not voting to

00:21:15.560 collapse the government now.

00:21:16.660 And until they do, I think all of us are going to believe that this is really just a crass

00:21:22.740 exercise on the part of Jagmeet Singh and the New Democrats in order to make Mr. Singh have a have a soft

00:21:28.620 feather MP pension landing rather than the best interest of Canadians at heart.

00:21:34.280 Yeah, I don't care.

00:21:35.060 I'll just say it.

00:21:35.760 I think it is because of his pension.

00:21:37.220 I think that most people who've been observers long enough figure that as well.

00:21:41.480 And you know what, to your point exactly, William, the NDP is not doing itself any favors.

00:21:46.180 I think it was, I think it was Julian.

00:21:48.360 I think it was Peter Julian that's like answering, I'm paraphrasing, answering the question of,

00:21:52.820 okay, well, when do you see this government falling?

00:21:55.040 And he basically pulls out a calendar.

00:21:56.640 It's like, ah, late February, early March-ish.

00:22:00.200 Yeah.

00:22:00.640 You know what?

00:22:01.360 That's after this big pension date, which I think is the 25th or 26th of February.

00:22:07.000 So they're not doing themselves any favors.

00:22:10.180 And for folks who are watching this, who are big supporters of the Dippers and you're offended,

00:22:14.900 okay, prove me wrong.

00:22:16.980 Go ahead.

00:22:17.900 I will gladly say, you know what?

00:22:19.800 I was wrong.

00:22:20.740 They brought them down as soon as they possibly could.

00:22:22.960 And I wanted to point out something kind of procedural and nerdy for folks who are watching,

00:22:27.640 who listened to Mr. Singh say that Trudeau should resign.

00:22:32.460 Well, that kind of sounds serious, right?

00:22:34.420 That sounds like, okay, that means the plug is pulled.

00:22:37.220 No, no, no, no.

00:22:38.640 He very specifically said, Trudeau needs to resign.

00:22:42.340 He didn't say, I'm withdrawing my confidence in this government at the earliest possible

00:22:47.200 opportunity.

00:22:47.760 Because what that would do is the leader of the party that happens to be in power would

00:22:53.720 no longer be leader.

00:22:55.440 So then that party would muddle through and put in an interim leader in the middle of it.

00:23:01.220 So somebody, anybody, frankly, would be interim leader, and they'd have to have a little,

00:23:06.920 you know, leadership race of some sort, okay?

00:23:10.000 And that would muddle them through until at least, what would you say, William?

00:23:14.720 March?

00:23:15.460 April at the earliest?

00:23:17.100 You could definitely survive until the government was about to run out of money again.

00:23:21.360 That's right.

00:23:21.560 And make a parliament to vote the more money.

00:23:23.680 That buys you many weeks by him saying that exact answer, which is why I think that was

00:23:30.020 Marika Walsh from the Globe and Mail who was yelling at him saying, is that really a

00:23:34.100 credible answer?

00:23:35.600 Channel that to all of the reporters on Parliament Hill who are part of the press gallery.

00:23:40.260 You know how you're being fed that line.

00:23:42.540 Deep down, you know that's true.

00:23:44.680 So channel that anger and keep asking these folks hard questions of all political parties.

00:23:49.980 Speaking of political parties, Noah, did you want to chat about, there was a big, there

00:23:55.300 was a switched win.

00:23:56.920 It was in Cloverdale, Langley in BC, and it was a gain for the Conservatives?

00:24:01.920 Yep.

00:24:02.160 So in British Columbia on Monday, to cap off the disastrous day that Trudeau had on Monday,

00:24:08.520 there was a by-election in British Columbia, and this seat was held by the Liberals.

00:24:13.500 The Liberals won the seat in 2021, and I believe also in 2019.

00:24:18.900 And the Conservatives, they put up a candidate named Tamara Jensen.

00:24:23.940 Now, the Conservatives, they've tried to move away from their stance on abortion issues,

00:24:30.540 just try not to talk about it, and probably have said he's pro-choice, but this candidate

00:24:34.780 was a pro-lifer.

00:24:35.680 So you would think that this is an easy candidate for the Liberals to attack the Conservatives

00:24:40.440 on, you know?

00:24:41.460 The Liberals, they love harping on the abortion issue.

00:24:44.800 But instead, the Liberals, they got decimated in this by-election.

00:24:49.260 And I mean decimated.

00:24:50.860 Remember how I said the Liberals won the last election in Cloverdale-Langley?

00:24:57.240 Instead, the Conservatives won this by-election with 66.3% of the vote, with the Liberals at

00:25:04.580 16%.

00:25:05.980 That is about over a 50-point swing.

00:25:09.500 We never see this in politics, from one election to another.

00:25:13.220 If you extrapolate a 50-point win nationally, that means that the Conservatives would win

00:25:19.540 like 300 seats in the next election.

00:25:21.500 Now, that's probably not going to happen.

00:25:23.160 But a 50-point swing in British Columbia province that the Liberals are supposed to be competitive

00:25:29.680 in, this is not like in Alberta, where the Conservatives win 66.3% of the vote if they

00:25:36.740 put a horse as the candidate.

00:25:37.940 But instead, they lost a by-election that they were supposed to be competitive in.

00:25:45.200 Now, going into the election day, we thought that the Conservatives would win.

00:25:48.440 But this is an embarrassment for the Liberals.

00:25:51.300 This probably had something to do with an announcement earlier in the day that Christian

00:25:56.680 Phelan was inviting.

00:25:57.640 A lot of Liberal voters probably said, well, what's the point of even going to the polls? 0.99

00:26:01.700 Our party sucks right now. 0.98

00:26:03.300 But it looks as if the Liberals are digging themselves in a deeper and deeper hole. 1.00

00:26:09.400 These by-elections are getting worse and worse for Trudeau and the Liberals.

00:26:12.900 And it doesn't seem as if they're going to be able to save very much furniture in that

00:26:17.980 next coming election.

00:26:19.380 What do you guys think of this by-election result?

00:26:23.400 Go ahead, William.

00:26:24.360 Yeah.

00:26:24.960 I always say, don't ever read too, too much into any one by-election.

00:26:30.200 There can be weird things happening in by-elections, lower turnout, and rarely does a future of

00:26:37.640 a government hang on the outcome of a single by-election.

00:26:40.580 All of that being said, I think you have to look at the series of by-elections that have

00:26:44.500 happened over the past eight or so months, past year.

00:26:49.220 And the fact that the Liberals are now consistently losing what had been described as safe Liberal

00:26:53.600 seats, to the Conservatives, and in one case to the Bloc, I think is painting a very worrying

00:26:59.780 picture for what this means to the Liberal Party.

00:27:03.240 Now, if you look at other advanced democracies, the Liberal Party is a bit of an anomaly.

00:27:11.200 It's this quote-unquote centrist party.

00:27:13.900 It's moved quite far to the left, I would say, under the leadership of Mr. Trudeau and

00:27:19.000 his college roommates who are in cabinet.

00:27:22.840 And his groomsmen, come on, William, be fair.

00:27:26.480 It was his wedding party and college women. 0.99

00:27:28.540 You're right.

00:27:28.980 Or it was his wedding party.

00:27:31.100 You're right.

00:27:32.620 But having this centrist party exist sort of between a left-wing opposition and a right-wing

00:27:37.200 opposition is unusual.

00:27:39.340 And in many places, centrist parties just have been unable to continue existing after

00:27:45.560 electoral defeat.

00:27:46.680 And, you know, you look at Ontario and the Kathleen Wynne Liberals, well, the Liberal Party

00:27:52.400 has disappeared virtually or become, you know, a very much less of a factor.

00:27:57.980 Alberta, we don't have a Liberal Party anymore.

00:27:59.820 I mean, maybe we do on paper, but it doesn't say or do anything.

00:28:03.160 It's either the United Conservative Party or the New Democrats.

00:28:07.440 And, you know, that's the case everywhere.

00:28:10.000 So the real worry for the Liberal Party isn't just losing this upcoming election to Pierre

00:28:13.900 Polly Evra.

00:28:14.700 It could be losing the Liberal Party as a political force, as a viable alternative in

00:28:21.660 party politics.

00:28:22.700 The only saving grace, I would say, for the Liberal Party is the fact that the New

00:28:27.440 Democrats are being led by Jag Eatsingh, who is just so incompetent as a political party

00:28:33.500 leader.

00:28:33.760 If the New Democrats had a competent leader who was politically astute, who was good on

00:28:39.980 policy, leading an energized United caucus, I bet that the amount of space between, you

00:28:46.200 know, popular support, they would just be crushing those Liberals in between them and

00:28:50.600 the Conservative Party.

00:28:51.420 And a bag showing for the Liberal Party now could send them into the wilderness, maybe for

00:28:56.180 five years, maybe for a decade, maybe forever.

00:28:59.320 We should only be so lucky, I should say, maybe letting my political, partisan political

00:29:03.720 feelings show just a little bit there.

00:29:06.340 Well, go ahead.

00:29:07.580 Well, you bring up a great point, because even in Canada, you see this consolidation of the

00:29:13.860 political landscape.

00:29:14.800 In British Columbia, you have the NDP, and, you know, there was a nominally center-right

00:29:19.860 party, the BC Liberals, they renamed to the BC United, but they got outshined by a center-right

00:29:28.220 party that is, you know, unafraid to say that they're conservatives, the BC Conservative.

00:29:33.900 You see in Alberta, the Liberals get pushed out.

00:29:36.740 In Ontario, it looks like the NDP and the Liberals, they're both suffering from weak

00:29:40.420 leaders, so we'll see what party rises to the top once one of them becomes electorally

00:29:46.420 viable.

00:29:47.420 You see even in Manitoba, they have the PC-NDP divide.

00:29:51.060 It looks as if Canada is polarizing into falling into one or two distinct political identities,

00:29:59.420 either your center-right or center-left, and that's about it.

00:30:02.360 And it seems as if this consolidation would be happening on the federal level, if not

00:30:07.640 for the NDP.

00:30:09.500 If the NDP were, as William said, a lot stronger, you'd probably see the Liberals being pushed

00:30:14.540 out and probably at 10% with it.

00:30:16.720 And you have this problem where Justin Trudeau is staying on, and his brand is very toxic

00:30:23.180 to the Canadian people.

00:30:24.540 You go even in the streets of Toronto, and you talk about Justin Trudeau to the average

00:30:29.380 person, and they're not going to have great things to say about him.

00:30:32.780 So Trudeau is hastening the decline of the Liberal brand in Canada.

00:30:37.780 But as William says, Jiang Li Singh just cannot capitalize on this.

00:30:41.980 The NDP have been going down in all their by-election results, as have the Liberals.

00:30:45.780 And it's making it very easy for Pierre Poliav to pick up all the people who are frustrated

00:30:52.140 with the government as supporters and to get them to vote for the CPC in the next election.

00:30:58.120 To that point, mentioning center-left and Manitoba and by-elections, the NDP won a by-election

00:31:06.420 recently in Manitoba.

00:31:08.600 And I learned this week that NDP Premier Wab Kanu of Manitoba, did you know that he speaks

00:31:16.400 French?

00:31:18.360 No, je ne sais pas.

00:31:20.620 He speaks English, obviously, Ojibwe, and French.

00:31:24.680 And gotta say, dude's a very good communicator.

00:31:28.660 So definitely somebody to watch there.

00:31:31.440 Speaking of watching with a lot of popcorn, did we want to get to President-elect Trump

00:31:39.380 and the imminent invasion?

00:31:44.640 Who wants to leave that one off?

00:31:46.580 These things are so good.

00:31:48.220 Okay, so for folks, again, who haven't been following, U.S. President-elect and former

00:31:52.960 President Donald Trump, has been apparently following Canadian politics pretty closely.

00:31:57.880 As we know, he is threatening very seriously a 25% tariff on stuff that we ship in to the

00:32:07.160 United States.

00:32:08.120 Our relationship with the United States, as far as just trade goes, forget the fact that

00:32:13.160 we're neighbors and relatives and, you know, allies and all that stuff and good friends.

00:32:17.060 Our trade relationship cannot be overstated.

00:32:21.520 Like, it cannot.

00:32:22.320 It is not duplicated anywhere else in the world.

00:32:24.480 It is billions and billions and billions of dollars that cross that border.

00:32:28.340 And he's apparently been watching a lot of this stuff going back and forth.

00:32:32.500 And so much so that I actually had a relative text me earlier this week, like freaked right

00:32:37.500 out, like about Manifest Destiny and aren't you worried about this?

00:32:41.520 So just off the top, I'll take my CTF hat off because tariffs are bad and we should take

00:32:47.600 this done really seriously.

00:32:49.640 But as somebody who was raised in the 80s, I've read Donald Trump's main book, Art of

00:32:56.320 the Deal, and I used to watch wrestling all the time and I would occasionally tune into

00:33:01.340 his old show, The Apprentice.

00:33:03.480 This is how he talks.

00:33:04.880 This is like somebody getting ready for an MMA fight and giving you shots beforehand. 0.76

00:33:11.240 He is trash talking you before he pulls you into the octagon.

00:33:15.380 So to me, I know, I don't think that the U.S.

00:33:19.640 Army is going to roll across the 49th parallel.

00:33:21.860 Now, I could be wrong.

00:33:23.800 William, are you gathering your acorns to use them in your slingshot or what's happening

00:33:28.720 in your house?

00:33:29.480 Yeah, you know, I think it's funny to watch the reaction to Mr. Trump's comments because

00:33:38.400 the hysteria we're seeing from some quarters is precisely what Mr. Trump wants to have happen.

00:33:46.940 He's saying these things precisely to elicit a response.

00:33:51.820 And the more the Canadian side flaps about, the more strength it puts his position in for

00:34:00.160 negotiating when the actual negotiation comes to pass.

00:34:04.360 We're in the pre-negotiation phase right now, you know, where he's laid out dire trade

00:34:10.080 consequences for Canada unless progress is made on several issues.

00:34:14.060 And now he is simply fanning the flames of sowing the seeds of discord or sanity on our

00:34:24.400 side in order to simply be able to put himself in a position to extract more concessions for

00:34:30.000 when the deal finally happens.

00:34:31.240 The best thing any people could do would be to focus on the trade issue and the specific

00:34:38.240 border issues that Mr. Trump has brought forward and ignore everything else.

00:34:44.280 Because if he tweets something and doesn't get a response, he's going to move on to something

00:34:50.620 else, right?

00:34:51.680 He won't just keep saying something if there's no response to it.

00:34:54.860 If we keep responding with increasingly insane responses, then he's going to be saying it for

00:35:02.280 the next eight, 12, 18, however many years, he manages to keep himself in the White House

00:35:09.160 through whatever means he employs.

00:35:11.280 So it is, but it is pretty funny to watch.

00:35:13.800 And, you know, should Canada, you know, ever find itself on the receiving end, there's only a few

00:35:20.420 things I can say, which is, first of all, good luck trying to afford a house up here right now for

00:35:25.980 anybody who wants to.

00:35:26.780 You don't want this size.

00:35:27.960 No, no.

00:35:28.380 Governor Trudeau not doing a good job.

00:35:30.220 And secondly, to.

00:35:32.280 To Mr. Trump's and Republicans' own best interests, Canada would be a blue state, I think, if it

00:35:38.200 ever became the 51st state.

00:35:39.780 Do you really want to give more electoral votes to the Democrats in every presidential election?

00:35:46.180 Strategically, not a great idea for President Trump and the Republicans.

00:35:50.240 So just keep that in mind, Mr. President-elect, when you're making things.

00:35:54.360 Noah, I think Polly was right when he stated in his press conference something along the lines of

00:36:00.240 Trump, Trump can spot weakness a mile away.

00:36:03.760 This is how he negotiates.

00:36:05.160 It's how he gets his art of a deal going.

00:36:07.460 And freaking out about him teasing us, saying, oh, Governor Trudeau, 51st state, just screams

00:36:14.000 weakness.

00:36:14.960 So keep your powder dry.

00:36:16.860 Noah, what was your take on this?

00:36:18.120 Well, my general take was this kind of reminds me of when, like, a little kid makes a joke

00:36:25.260 that adults find funny and then they just keep repeating it and repeating it and it just

00:36:29.280 loses all the luster that it had originally. 0.68

00:36:32.760 Like, Trump, like, he's a bit childish, in my opinion.

00:36:36.480 And he thinks it's funny, you know, prodding Canadians over this joke.

00:36:42.900 And Canadians are a little insecure.

00:36:44.640 You know, we like to think of ourselves as better than Americans. 0.66

00:36:48.240 Oh, we have a better health care system than you guys.

00:36:50.420 We might not.

00:36:54.240 Definitely debatable.

00:36:55.680 You know, we like to say, oh, we're nicer.

00:36:57.920 We're this, we're that.

00:36:58.980 We have less crime, you know.

00:37:00.900 Before, in the 1800s, they used to say we're more religious than you guys.

00:37:04.480 We don't say that anymore.

00:37:06.140 But, like, we always have had this insecurity since 1867 and even before.

00:37:12.020 So Trump exploiting this is kind of funny, you know, as someone who doesn't take Trump

00:37:17.060 very seriously when he says these types of things.

00:37:19.620 But as William said, we do need to take serious the trade thing.

00:37:24.100 And we need to, you know, make overtures to Trump and flatter him a little.

00:37:28.780 That's how you sort of get on the good side.

00:37:30.740 When Trump went to visit China, Xi Jinping, you know, fouled him with, you know, this pomp

00:37:35.900 and ceremony and, you know, probably fed him some good food, some McDonald's.

00:37:39.480 And, you know, he's like, wow, this Xi guy, you know, I really like this guy. 0.55

00:37:44.320 The same thing when he visited North Korea.

00:37:46.300 He's like, oh, Kim Jong-un, you know, he's not rocking that anymore.

00:37:49.060 But, you know, when he goes to visit, like, Germany or whatever and Angela Merkel's, like,

00:37:54.480 you know, giving him a scorn, like a sour face, like, you know, that doesn't help American-German 0.99

00:38:00.080 relations and it doesn't help Canadian-American relations.

00:38:02.720 So I think what Daniel Smith is doing is really smart going on Fox News, talking to American

00:38:07.280 conservatives, you know, putting forward the Canadian conservative position that a lot

00:38:13.700 of Americans would resonate with.

00:38:15.120 I think Xi has been a great leader when it comes to trying to deal with the threat of

00:38:20.180 tariffs.

00:38:21.180 And Trudeau is absolutely the opposite.

00:38:23.320 You know, he goes to, like, a conference and makes a speech about how the Americans should

00:38:28.760 have voted in Kamala Harris and, you know, the Americans are sexist because of it.

00:38:33.240 You know, it's not smart when you're trying to flatter, you're supposed to be trying to

00:38:39.080 flatter Trump to get him to remove these tariffs.

00:38:41.960 But, you know, Trudeau is stuck in this, like, now that he realizes that he's done with his

00:38:49.680 time in office, pretty much, he's going to just, you know, become a bit more ideological,

00:38:54.140 a bit more stringent.

00:38:55.120 He's going to try and keep Pierre Poliev out of office as long as possible because he views

00:38:58.900 him as a mortal enemy.

00:38:59.940 And he's going to, you know, prod and poke Donald Trump because he views Donald Trump as

00:39:05.300 a mortal enemy, too. 1.00

00:39:06.940 Damned, you know, the terrorists, damned what that's going to do to the Canadian economy. 1.00

00:39:10.260 We got to, you know, tell Trump that he's a sexist. 1.00

00:39:13.080 So, you know, but just in general, I think the joke should not be taken seriously.

00:39:17.960 We're not going to become the 51st state guys, you know, don't worry.

00:39:21.040 And if they invade, we got Army of Moose, I think, you know, we ride them like, you know,

00:39:27.820 like horse, just instead of, you know, horse, we got the atlers to ram into the tanks.

00:39:32.900 Hopefully that'll work.

00:39:36.120 So a nice way of putting it is that when you're trying to imagine like you're getting

00:39:42.500 married, okay, and you're melding two families together, maybe the families have their differences.

00:39:48.180 The best thing to do is to meet people where they are, find commonality and ingratiate yourselves

00:39:54.520 to them based on those common interests.

00:39:56.940 So to your point, Noah, on Premier Daniel Smith, she's doing the smart thing.

00:40:02.460 She's climbing into Trump's living room by going on Fox News and going on Fox Business

00:40:08.720 and actually talking not about her feelings.

00:40:12.980 Who cares?

00:40:14.000 She's talking about facts and laying out what she's going to do to uphold her end of the bargain.

00:40:19.900 That is how you make deals with adults, is showing how you're going to uphold your end

00:40:25.940 of the bargain.

00:40:27.040 And so it is very good that we have some premiers in Canada who can be the adults in the room.

00:40:34.140 So Premier Ford out in Ontario is getting a lot of play this way.

00:40:38.280 I would say that's largely because it's an Ontario dominated mainstream media still.

00:40:43.020 I am a little biased because I'm a Western Canadian gal.

00:40:45.760 I think Premier Smith is doing a great job of kind of doing the Captain Canada thing here

00:40:51.600 right now because she's talking about facts and dates.

00:40:55.100 Ford is doing some as well.

00:40:56.680 And this is all leading back to the initial reason why apparently Trump said all this.

00:41:02.000 He wants us to toughen up our border.

00:41:04.860 Like that generally will just benefit Canadians.

00:41:08.920 At the Taxpayers Federation, we've been railing against the gun grab, for example, here,

00:41:13.320 where the Trudeau government is trying to penalize law abiding licensed firearms owners and steal

00:41:20.240 our property from us, even though he is letting tons of illegal weapons and firearms and guns

00:41:26.460 rush across our border back and forth all the time.

00:41:29.300 So sure, he needs to be taken seriously because, of course, a tariff like that is going to damage

00:41:34.280 economies, frankly, on both sides of the border.

00:41:36.280 Because if you want to get back to Premier Ford, the auto pact, the auto industry, they're the

00:41:41.900 same industry.

00:41:43.300 They just happen to straddle the border.

00:41:45.240 So I don't think he wants to do this either.

00:41:48.040 We just need to actually make a good deal and stop taking so much of this personally.

00:41:53.280 Folks, thank you so much for watching.

00:41:55.160 William and Noah, thank you so much for joining us.

00:41:57.880 Please leave your comments under the channel here on the YouTube channel.

00:42:02.260 You can always go to the True North website and send us a message there.

00:42:05.780 Let us know what you think of the show.

00:42:07.600 But until then, remember, everything we've said is off the record.

00:42:18.240 Off the record, they're posting on the internet.

00:42:21.680 I mean, I think that makes a good point, too, where she's trying to debunk that hundred 1.00

00:42:26.580 billion number.

00:42:27.860 And I think that's useful saying a lot of its raw imports into the United States, oil,

00:42:33.040 gas and lumber and other things which big American companies, you know, turn into really great

00:42:39.860 products that they sell for trillions of dollars on the global market.

00:42:43.580 So, you know, why don't we look at it as we're investing in each other?

00:42:47.700 We're being part of a team that together we're both going to be successful.

00:42:51.700 So I really hope that message starts to start sneaking out there.

00:42:55.340 I think it will because he knows that.

00:42:57.480 He totally knows that.

00:42:58.580 And he'll be so impressed that smart Daniel Smith is saying this back to him.

00:43:04.220 This is my I'm very optimistic when it comes to this stuff.

00:43:07.440 I think he'll be impressed by that knowledge.

00:43:09.080 And I think we will get a deal.

00:43:10.900 This is so much bluster, like so much bluster.

00:43:13.980 Everybody's taking the bait.

00:43:15.160 Quit taking the bait.

00:43:17.060 And I mean, like, you know, you're elected on a mandate of like improving things.

00:43:20.340 It's like, oh, immediately our prices are up 20% because we're the tariff on Canada.

00:43:25.060 You know, that that won't really play well in America.

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