Cancelled for challenging the “science”
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Summary
Simon Godek is a scientist who was fired from various positions at universities in Europe for publishing an academic paper that challenged the official narrative that vitamin D could treat COVID-19. In this episode, Simon talks about what happened to him, why he was fired, and where things stand now.
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Hi there, everyone, and welcome to the Rupa Subramanir show.
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Now, very early in spring of 2020, an orthodox narrative around COVID-19 took hold.
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Basically, COVID-19 was going to be extremely lethal, we were all going to die from it if
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we didn't implement harsh measures like lockdowns and school closures and mass mandates that
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eventually were implemented along with vaccine mandates.
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No dissension was allowed, and scientists and medical professionals who challenged this
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I've spoken to various scientists on this show who were hounded and canceled for having
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a different perspective on the pandemic, a different scientific perspective on the pandemic, and
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today I speak to Simon Godek, a scientist who was fired from various positions at universities
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in Europe for publishing an academic paper on vitamin D that talked about how vitamin D
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He sent out some tweets challenging this official narrative that the sky was falling, and as
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a result, his whole life was turned upside down by doing that.
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It's my great pleasure to speak to Simon today about what happened to him and where things
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I want to just ask you to explain to us, you know, all of the things that happened to you
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over the course of the pandemic that resulted in you being suspended from Twitter and eventually
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getting fired from your position at your university.
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I think it's one of the top three universities in the world in biotech.
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And I was very successful as a young scientist.
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And right after my PhD, I was focusing on building bioreactors, on being in the lab,
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on publishing, on doing whatever is possible in order to get to a higher level as well,
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you know, just to become an associate professor and then a full professor.
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It's like, you know, the tenure track you usually use.
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And I got good citations, several hundred per year, and everything was going as planned
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or as I imagined until COVID hit, until they said, like, oh, there is a deadly virus.
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Especially as I also publish in the human metabolism or metabolism in general,
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And I was having quite some publications ready for vitamin D.
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And I was wondering, I think it was in March, April, May 2020, why are they not talking about
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Everybody has, like, sufficient levels, doesn't get ill.
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We can't generalize, but usually the likelihood is, like, close to zero to get ill if you have
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So I was writing publication, publishing it in a good journal, in a high-ranked journal,
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So the first people were sending emails to my former university, former employer at Wageningen
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And they were, like, confronting me, like, hey, why did you publish this?
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It's a publication showing the solution, you know, or a possible solution.
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Yeah, yeah, in a paper, in a peer-reviewed journal, right?
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It's a journal that peer reviews three external peer reviewers that agreed with the content
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Okay, so, and so if I've understood this correctly, they're objecting to a paper being published
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in a peer-reviewed journal that's been peer-reviewed by your peers.
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So the university got emails from people that are in the skeptic movement.
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I don't know if you're familiar with the skeptic movement.
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So everything which is not in line with what the government says, they're skeptic about.
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And their members were after me, sending emails like, okay, look, there's one of your
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scientists who's, who is publishing dangerous pseudoscience, stuff like that.
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They were telling that I would sell vitamin D online, that I had my vitamin D business and
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Back then, I didn't have any vitamin D business.
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I mean, they gave me the idea to open one when I got the third time.
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But I didn't have any, I didn't even think about selling vitamin D back then.
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So I got in trouble the first time at the university.
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So I did this and things were fine again until I think I became active on Twitter end of December 2020.
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Before that, I wasn't really into social media.
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So I have my, my Instagram just for my friends, which I don't use.
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Once a month, I look into there as someone sent me a message back from school.
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I mean, I talk to my friends, of course, on Telegram, whatever.
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But I mean, like, I don't like social media or I didn't like social media.
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So in December, I started calling out scientists who were like publishing vitamin D papers that were biased.
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So also people said like, oh, vitamin D is going to, is going to cure everything.
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There was a scientist that said like levels above 35 negative milliliter.
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Oh my gosh, nobody is going to get to hospital and stuff.
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So I was calling on them, even though they were on my side more or less, you know.
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But I was just looking into, into papers and I was trying to defend scientific integrity.
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Until a neighbor of mine in Netherlands said like, Simon, do you want to look into what I found here?
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And he's like, the original PCR protocol, COVID protocol published by Christian Drosten, seemed to have bypassed the preview process.
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So I was looking into this because I was, back then I was an editor of a journal and as an editor, I'm very aware of what the preview process looked like.
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Journal, it was an El Sophia journal, so top-notch journal.
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Journal, and I was just explaining in a thread, I think I had like 10, 20, 30 followers back then.
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So nothing, you know, like these, these small accounts, they're small.
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Not very important people really, but 20, 30 followers, but you have about half a million now, which is.
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Yeah, yeah, I mean, but it started like that, it started that I wrote a thread explaining how a period process works, why it takes several months in order to get your paper through period process.
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So mine now, I have one on climate change, it's quite funny, actually.
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It's like, it's a critical one, but still, yeah, trying to stay within the narrative in order to be critical.
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I can, I can talk about later, maybe not, but at least it's, it's been in peer review for one and a half years.
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So Drosten's paper was less than a day from submission till being online.
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It's like, it's like, you know, you running against Usain Bolt, 100 meters, and you beat him by running in five seconds, and he still needs 10 point something.
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And you would be like, come on, don't be a conspiracy theorist.
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And just come up with stupid arguments, you know?
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And so I was publishing this thread, which was totally factual.
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So I got many messages from virologists, virologists, with, I thought they were huge accounts, like 5,000, 10,000.
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For me, these were huge accounts that were tagging me in the university and, and, and saying I would like, it would be a smear campaign against their colleague.
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So I had to talk to, to the dean about why I did this.
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I was like, look, just, just look at my analysis.
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What I said is factual, but why, why, why would I do this?
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Like, why would you, I'm like, come on, scientific fraud.
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We're like, people were telling me, why can't you just be quiet?
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And there was no colleague who was totally like, Simon, we support you.
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I mean, like the university supported me publicly in a tweet.
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So like Simon is, has, has his rise for freedom of expression.
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But eventually, sort of weeks later, I was dismissed.
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They just didn't prolong my contract, even though I got my own follow-up funding.
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So that took the follow-up funding I got for them in my free time, which were millions.
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Of the project were millions of, of, of dollars.
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And they just said like, no, we, you're too critical.
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We are going to get an uncritical scientist with money.
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That is, that was being canceled big time.
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And I mean, the university is a very woke university.
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It's like, their, their things, their topics are climate change and, and climate change
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So Agenda 2030, more or less, that's where they get the money from.
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It's still, I mean, criticism wasn't really, wasn't really supported there, unfortunately.
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That was the paper that you published in that journal.
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What made you, and I, and I read somewhere that, you know, in early spring of 2020, you
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know, you saw the news coming out of Bergamo and, you know, you, you, you know, you were
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also a little concerned about what was happening.
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And then what made you link, what made you come up with the idea that vitamin D has the
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Oh, it's because I've been working on metabolism.
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So I make, you can just imagine the, the wall behind me with many, many factors, you know,
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So I have these, these nerdy diagrams with interlinking factors and, and it's actually,
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it's, it's a cause and effect graphic, which contains hundreds of thousands of factors.
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So that's, that's, that's what I've been, that's what I've been doing.
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That's what I've been doing for years, for several years.
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So I, so I always knew that if getting sick is vitamin D deficiency and most of the cases
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So I wrote the paper also, especially to tell people, Hey, it's not just vitamin D.
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You need to take vitamin K2 and in order to, in order to make sure that the calcium is stored
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in, in your bones and teeth and not in your, in your bloodstream.
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You, you, you, you literally avoid calcification.
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And that's why I wrote this paper to make people aware of this fact and to make people
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Look, if you don't want to get sick, just make sure your vitamin D levels are sufficient
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because I refer to other publications that showed like that almost all death, all people
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who died with COVID, I don't say due to COVID because I think it's a, it's a co-mobility,
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the COVID is the co-mobility and they died with a vitamin D deficiency, which means less than
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And people who are at higher levels usually didn't die.
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And, uh, I thought it was the right thing to do back in the time, especially when they
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came up with the mask mandate and, uh, and be a biotechnician.
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I mean, it doesn't even, it doesn't even work against dust in the, uh, in the, um, in the lab.
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So how, how should it, how should it be able to prevent a virus from exactly.
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And we are, we've always been told don't wear a mask too long.
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And, and suddenly they told everybody to, and I was like, okay, this can't be the solution.
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I think it's, it's some, it's some Christian holiday and it was, it was a long weekend
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and I was just using this weekend to write on this paper.
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And if I hadn't done this, I would still have a good position now, but I mean, like, I'm
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I mean, I'm sorry that you paid a very heavy price for, uh, for being a scientist for, uh,
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for following the, for following the scientific method, no, no, no, I'm free, no, I'm free.
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Uh, I wouldn't call it a price and, and retro is packed.
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It was, it was the good thing to do back in the time.
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And, um, you know, so here you are, this is your area of expertise, vitamin D is something
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you've been researching even before COVID happened.
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Um, this is what, in a sense you've been trained to do.
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Um, and, um, and, and, and what, and, and then there are all of these objections to
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you publishing this paper, which is again, again, I have to point this out.
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It's been evaluated by your peers and they're like, this is a good paper.
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It's very hard to get, you know, papers published in some, in, in good journals.
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Well, it depends if you're, if, if you're a Peter Ho test, you can write whatever shit you
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But if you are, if you are a scientist who's not corrupt, who isn't in the circles of all
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these, of all these editors, it's, it's difficult to get stuff published.
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And I want to, I want to come to that a little later, uh, about what's happening in, in, in
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Uh, did, did your, did your university, uh, at all tell you why they objected to your, uh,
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paper on vitamin E, why did they, I believe they branded you a pseudoscientist, um, and
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no, the, the, the university didn't, they didn't, they didn't.
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Um, they just, they just told me, they didn't even tell me in a written form.
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They just told me on the phone, I'm too critical and they prefer to have a, a scientist who's
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less critical and that they got like a message from above.
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Um, above, so probably the ministry or I know to not employ me any longer.
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So this is all they told me, but I, I didn't fight with any of these professors there.
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Actually, I was, I was friends with them until I got sent.
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I don't know how it works in, uh, Europe, but, uh, were you a tenured professor at this
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No, I wasn't, I was, I still wasn't in the tenure track.
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I was planning to, it was the end of my first postdoc.
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So I did, I did the postdoc and I had the follow up funding for, for, for then a position
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that would have been tenure or a second postdoc.
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So did you push, uh, I I'm assuming that you, uh, you, you, you may have pushed against
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the university or your, your, your, your, these other scientists saying that this is,
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you know, you're, you're a pseudoscientist and that this paper is not, uh, is, is, you
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know, is, is, is just, uh, denying the existence of, uh, COVID-19 did you, well, how did you react
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So I, I was, I was just explaining internally that what this paper is about and they read
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this paper and they agreed with my paper and they said, it's fine.
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The problem was when I called out Marion Koopmans, who was a coauthor of this, um, of this PCR
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protocol, she's the Dutch state virologist from the, from the Netherlands and the university
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So I, I was literally proving that Marion Koopmans was corrupt.
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So, I mean, like, and that was proved indirectly.
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I was saying the Dutch government is corrupt because they were taking crop scientists.
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She was even, she was thrown out of some committee because she got money from the Chinese communist
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Obviously was very corrupt and I still consider her corrupt.
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But the university of course, back then was like, okay, you cannot, you cannot take the
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We are in a dangerous situation here, blah, blah, blah, blah, blah, blah.
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So this was, this was the situation I was facing.
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And when they send me, when they, I mean, they didn't fire me.
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I mean, they just didn't prolong the contract, even though I gave them new money.
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So it's something that has never happened before in academia.
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I've never heard of this, especially as I got the money, as I wrote this application
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in free time, in my free time, I wasn't even writing it for the university.
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And I put the university as a partner on this paper, on this, on this application.
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So I eventually got a job at, I think this project contained six partners that I sourced.
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So eventually other universities want to take me as well.
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Everybody was like, oh, no, no, no, no, but one in Norway was willing to take me.
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So they took me one week after I got sent off Twitter for posting my vitamin D study again,
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and for asking the Bill Gates Foundation, why they invested in BioNTech in September, 2019.
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And I referred to their website and this was COVID disinformation.
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And end of June, 2021, I started working for the Norwegian Research Institute, which went
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And what happened with the Norwegian Research Institute?
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I had one a half years time to just collect statements.
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I was just collecting new statements, journalist statements, scientist statements on Twitter.
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I was just like lurking on a small account and I was just making screenshots.
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I actually was planning to write a book about this at some point with all the contradictions.
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I mean, super interesting what they said before and after or some people don't even change
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And then I got my Twitter account back and I had the chance to ask these people why they
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have been saying this in 2021, which is what I did.
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Of course, you must say that here, your Twitter comes back, I was like, yay, I will confront
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And I wasn't even, you know, I wasn't, I wasn't saying like, hey, look what you said.
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And I was just like, how do you, how do you, do you, do you still, do you still see it
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Or would you consider yourself corrupt taking the fact that you get money from this and
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So just like very simple questions, every, every critical journalist would ask.
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But I think two weeks after I asked these people these questions, I got fired in Norway
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The reason, official reason is Simon Godek exceeded his freedom of expression on Twitter.
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And there's no, there's no country that's not a dictatorship where you can come, I mean,
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They said like, I, I kind of said that someone could be corrupt.
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So I was suggesting corruption, but I was asking this person whether the person was corrupt.
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David Fishman from Canada, who said like, yeah, you know, he's one of the worst ever.
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But he was saying like, oh, the vaccine is like 100% effective.
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Everybody does say otherwise, you know, just like extremely long.
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He said like, we need a, because the vaccine is so effective and so safe.
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We need, we need to vaccine, vaccinate by force, or we need to make it obligatory.
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And these were statements that are, that were never based by, there's never a consensus about this.
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And I was just asking him like, Hey, on a level from one till 10, how corrupt are you?
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And they said, and I don't know, they got, they got many, many emails.
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So my, my former, my former boss was, was, was even telling me just orally that he received
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many, many, many complaints every day about me and the company in general, I mean, research
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Institute is a private research Institute also funded by the government.
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But until I got fired, I was like holding myself back a lot to just be factual, et cetera,
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And then my lawyer said like, Oh, this was, this was unlawful.
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And they're extremely evoke, everybody double backs boosted, everybody gets tested literally
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It's, it's a, it's very, very evoke, they, they even don't, they even don't allow Russians
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to work for them because what Russia said, like Russia is detecting Ukraine.
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We, we're not, we're not, we're not like letting Russians work for us anymore.
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So there it's like, you know, the Russians, the unvaccinated it's like, yeah, totally,
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At least I lost my job for, for being on Twitter again.
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I mean, like there's no way they can win the lawsuit.
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Well, I'm, I'm glad that, you know, you're able to laugh at this.
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Speaking about your lawsuit, I saw a few days ago, Elon Musk is offering financial support
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to those who've been fired for expressing a view on Twitter by their employer.
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Is this something that you're going to take up?
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Are you going to take up, take Elon on his offer?
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Well, so I woke up and I got, I got a mail from my lawyer, Simon, look at this tweet
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So I was writing a post and just, I'm just explaining what happened to me.
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I think it had several million views and I think like 40, 40,000 likes.
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And, and I was asking Elon Musk, hey, whom do I have to contact?
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Because my case is like, it's like the case because I got fired after he took over.
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You know, I got fired this year for literally doing nothing wrong for just exceeding my right
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So I was asking him and I was asking others like, whom do I contact?
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Because they're like, they will take up every single person who got fired.
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And they will even take the, go after the, the, the board of the companies.
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I have my lawyer to write an email to Twitter, because I think this would be a very interesting
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thing because in Norway, just to sue a company, it's like 20 to 30,000 US dollars.
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So I was now selling my car in order to pay my lawyer.
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And up till now, I having, I'm having some campaign, some funding.
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Um, you know, this go fund me just like a better website because go fund me is Vogue as well.
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So I have also this campaign running, I think already raised $4,000, which, which, which will
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cover at least a couple of percent, I think 20% or a bit less.
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So car plus this, I could maybe cover now 50, 60%, but, um, what Twitter's offering of course
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is tempting because I mean, we are using, or I'm using the platform.
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I'm getting them so much money via the ads, which I'm, which I'm generating.
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And like, I'm losing my, my job for, for using this platform, which is, yeah, which is unfortunate.
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Um, but then I would silence myself and it's also, it's also no solution.
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Uh, back to the science and, uh, descent in, in, in, uh, within science.
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Um, how do you differentiate between genuine scientific disagreements and instances where
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scientists are deliberately manipulating, uh, outcomes to match their beliefs?
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Uh, you referred to this, uh, PCR test earlier.
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Um, and you know, I, that probably I'm thinking about that.
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Like, how do you, how do you differentiate between the two?
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He was writing several publications for the Lancet, for nature, for the best, for the highest
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But he was saying like, we need to treat unvaccinated people, or we need to treat those
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We need a counter terrorist group to attack them like military style.
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He even brings in Russia every time he writes.
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The question is why there needs to be some high degree of corruption, uh, in the background.
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So if I sent a top notch paper to nature or to the Lancet, they wouldn't accept because
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So the problem is that, that these, I call them pseudoscientists because they have other interests.
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They probably get money from, uh, from, from other organizations that you can see that.
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That, uh, his hospital for gets money from the Bill Gates Foundation.
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You don't know how they communicate to the background.
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I mean, they say, I can, if you publish this and that, we give, we give your institution some money.
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I have no clue how it works in the background, but I can tell you it's not science.
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Eric Ding and, and Peter Hotas, and maybe Topol just to spread their pseudoscientific nonsense,
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And the silence of those who actually just try to help people.
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And then, you know, there are people like Hotas who make, who make so much money.
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And also the other players for sure make lots of money.
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Uh, and they say, okay, their media says they're legitimate, but like people who lose everything
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like me and others, it's like, oh, they're grifters.
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I mean, like, uh, you just have to, I mean, there's no logic behind it.
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If you lose everything, there's reason you lose everything.
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Either you're just like stupid or they just want to silence you.
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I mean, common sense has been lost and just like user common sense and think about what's
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Are there, I mean, I know you're, um, you know, disappointed the way, uh, uh, you know,
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things have, uh, evolved in, in, within the scientific community, but are there any specific fields or
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disciplines within science where you believe this kind of bias and manipulation or corruption,
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as you call it, um, of study outcomes are more prevalent.
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So, but, uh, I have a very strong opinion about gender science and most fields of social
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Uh, no, the method, it, it starts with the methodology they're using.
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It's, it's, it's most likely junk to the highest degree, uh, but they get funded.
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So you have to look who's trying to support it.
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The also, um, the European union has a program.
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I think it's now it's called horizon something horizon Europe.
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And they're supporting a lot of these fields, um, gender equality, subtle gender equality
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They put all this stuff like trends, transitions, and, and, and you can apply for it and you get
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And then of course these people apply for this aren't, aren't based people there.
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They're woke people who publish woke stuff in woke journals, and then it becomes reality.
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So do you, do you think if you remove, I mean, you need funding to pursue research.
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So how do you propose, um, getting around this?
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I mean, unfortunately we can't get, get away from the funding.
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And the funders, the funders or determine what they want to hear.
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So if you apply for horizon Europe, it already, it states what they want to hear and what
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So they already determine, um, the path you need to take within, within your, within your
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So they, the, the science, they just want to confirm what the people who fund you want
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And they like, it's a, it's a confirmation bias more or less.
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It's impossible for being critical and publishing and, uh, climate critical publications because
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none of all these journals would accept it because as soon as the journal accepts this,
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So we're talking about a scientific community, which is homogenous, uh, and doesn't allow other
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Um, you know, you, you spoke, uh, earlier about, uh, you know, you, how you have these experts,
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you know, going on TV, they're like the experts on, on, on COVID-19 or gender science or, uh,
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To what extent do you think media coverage, um, and, uh, you know, influence the behavior
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of scientists in terms of pursuing scientific outcomes in their studies?
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Um, I don't know, but I can tell you that you also, you know,
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Journalists know if they don't report what, what is on the agenda, they will most likely
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lose their job or they cannot, like, get a better position within, within wherever they're
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So journalists do what they're taught to be done.
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And of course, if you, if you're a journalist and you want to start working for some, for
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some state media in Europe, you need to be left with invoke.
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Um, and I mean, like there's at least for Germany, there was a, there was a survey, um, among volunteers
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who worked for the state media and who, which party they would vote vote for.
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And it was more than 90%, the, the eco, the left wing woke eco party.
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So, you know, when you are in a team of like 20 people, when you're the only one who's like
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conservative or let's say base or critical, you, you can't make, you can't get your position,
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And of course the, the journalists then invite those who also share the vote positions and
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who say what they want to hear and what they support.
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Of course they take the Peter Hotezes or they take Liana Wenz.
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Um, most of the journalists don't know that they are most likely installed or most likely
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You know, and there's there, I think there are only a few people who more or less select
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who's going to be on the news or I don't know how it works to be honest.
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Well, I mean, it's just that I'm, yeah, I'm, I'm just thinking like you're a scientist,
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you're an expert, uh, you're, you've been invited to a talk show, um, and you keep getting
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invited and then you become a celebrity, you know, from, from, from, from, from sitting
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You're now like on TV and you're, you know, you, um, uh, and you have, you know, you become
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a celeb overnight and then I wonder to what extent, you know, a scientist in that position
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is able to separate the publicity and the celebrity status that they have now recently
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acquired from actually doing real science and being objective in what they're doing.
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And, um, Simon, yeah, I know you have to run, but I want to ask.
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We can, we can talk about, um, a couple of minutes longer.
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I just have to run errands before having me on the next interview.
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But, um, you know, what, what I, what I love to do about the, so my role right now, exactly
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But I love to look at prior 2020 and post 2020.
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So I take the same scientists and I check, what did they say about these topics prior 2020
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and post 2020 and it's most likely all these famous, um, science liberties prior 2020 said
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exactly the opposite of what they're stating now regarding vaccines for respiratory viruses,
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regarding masks, regarding, uh, how to cope with the pandemic regarding everything you probably see.
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And this actually shows that something is wrong because I haven't seen any fact-checking agency
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Sometimes I love posting memes on Twitter because memes like take humor in order to,
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So they take my memes and the fact-check memes like what the heck who fact-checks memes.
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Who's doing this and, and news agencies are doing this.
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CNN was, was fact-checking my memes, but they don't fact-check their own experts.
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And, uh, um, yeah, I mean, it's, uh, it's, it's quite extraordinary.
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I don't even think that the fact-checkers in most cases are even, do even have any kind
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Like it's, it's, uh, it's, it's a real bizarre world where the people fact-checking scientists
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And, and, uh, and I wonder what, you know, I've spoken to a bunch of scientists and they're
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just like, you know, you know, here's this intern in a fact-checking organization.
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I have a PhD and I've worked for like 20 years on the subject and they're telling me, you
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know, how to, uh, you know, how to do my job essentially.
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So it's really quite something I want to ask you about what you're doing right now.
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I know you moved to Brazil, um, uh, recently and, uh, and you have a startup.
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So I moved to Brazil after I lost my first job.
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And, uh, because no money in Europe is a problem.
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My partner's Brazilian and it's, it's, it's a beautiful country to live in at least for
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And, um, so yeah, after I got fired the second time, so I already had like an idea that will
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So it was like working on a plan B and I was like, okay, everybody has always been accusing
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me of selling vitamin D and I was like, I'm going to do that.
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So it was just like having, I was just starting a small, um, startup, um, Sunfluencer.
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Um, like influencers like Sunfluencer and I'm, I'm selling vitamin D and the next product
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You know, that you don't have to take like 15 pills per day.
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Just take a two vitamin D's and two omega threes.
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And then actually that's, that gives you actually all you need to the average person.
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I want to give them, um, I want to tackle their deficiencies.
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And if you take it with K2 and, uh, some degree zinc, but just like 20% and omega threes
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Just want to give people a solution for having better health, for being more independent
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Um, so yeah, it, it was, it was a reaction on what happened.
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Because I was like, okay, I've been, I've been silenced three times.
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The third, the third thing I cannot talk about, um, because there, there's some, you know,
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legal things going on, but, um, three times being silenced.
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And I was like, okay, if I go into academia again, I will be silenced again.
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So I needed to be independent in order to say what I'm saying now publicly on Twitter or in shows like yours.
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Um, otherwise I would have had to have to silence myself again.
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Sounds extremely stifling, but Simon, I wanted, want to thank you for coming on the show and sharing your insights.
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I've been wanting to have you on the show for a, for a while.
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Uh, but obviously I couldn't track you down because you were not on Twitter or you were suspended from Twitter.
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But it's good to have you back on Twitter and sharing your views and your insights and calling out, uh, the BS, um, whenever, wherever you see it.
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Um, and, uh, really appreciate you being on the show, Simon, and good luck with your lawsuit.
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And, uh, yeah, and I hope that, uh, you'll be back on the show, uh, soon to talk about, uh, all of the progress that you've made.