Juno News - Cancelled for challenging the “science”

00:00:00.000 Hi there, everyone, and welcome to the Rupa Subramanir show.

00:00:19.460 Now, very early in spring of 2020, an orthodox narrative around COVID-19 took hold.

00:00:25.820 Basically, COVID-19 was going to be extremely lethal, we were all going to die from it if

00:00:31.840 we didn't implement harsh measures like lockdowns and school closures and mass mandates that

00:00:40.960 eventually were implemented along with vaccine mandates.

00:00:45.980 No dissension was allowed, and scientists and medical professionals who challenged this

00:00:50.660 official narrative were hounded and canceled.

00:00:53.660 I've spoken to various scientists on this show who were hounded and canceled for having

00:00:59.440 a different perspective on the pandemic, a different scientific perspective on the pandemic, and

00:01:06.660 today I speak to Simon Godek, a scientist who was fired from various positions at universities

00:01:12.420 in Europe for publishing an academic paper on vitamin D that talked about how vitamin D

00:01:20.040 could potentially treat COVID-19.

00:01:22.100 He sent out some tweets challenging this official narrative that the sky was falling, and as

00:01:29.120 a result, his whole life was turned upside down by doing that.

00:01:32.720 It's my great pleasure to speak to Simon today about what happened to him and where things

00:01:37.620 stand now.

00:01:38.540 Hey, Simon, welcome.

00:01:40.220 Welcome to the show.

00:01:41.140 It's great to have you here.

00:01:42.260 I want to just ask you to explain to us, you know, all of the things that happened to you

00:01:49.900 over the course of the pandemic that resulted in you being suspended from Twitter and eventually

00:01:57.280 getting fired from your position at your university.

00:02:03.040 Oh, yeah.

00:02:03.820 It wasn't just one position.

00:02:05.160 It was like three positions.

00:02:06.340 Yeah, well, I don't know where to start.

00:02:13.200 I mean, maybe in the beginning.

00:02:16.100 Start from the beginning.

00:02:17.320 Yeah.

00:02:17.760 Yeah.

00:02:17.980 So I was a scientist at Wagner University.

00:02:23.960 I think it's one of the top three universities in the world in biotech.

00:02:27.980 And my background is biotech.

00:02:29.920 I have a PhD in biotech.

00:02:31.000 And I was very successful as a young scientist.

00:02:35.300 I'm still young.

00:02:35.980 I'm still in my 30s.

00:02:37.460 And right after my PhD, I was focusing on building bioreactors, on being in the lab,

00:02:45.460 on publishing, on doing whatever is possible in order to get to a higher level as well,

00:02:53.140 you know, just to become an associate professor and then a full professor.

00:02:56.700 It's like, you know, the tenure track you usually use.

00:02:59.460 And so that's what I've been doing.

00:03:03.080 And I got good citations, several hundred per year, and everything was going as planned

00:03:08.140 or as I imagined until COVID hit, until they said, like, oh, there is a deadly virus.

00:03:14.860 I'm like, what?

00:03:16.980 Like, what?

00:03:18.140 Especially as I also publish in the human metabolism or metabolism in general,

00:03:23.700 be it like animals or humans, mammals.

00:03:27.100 And I was having quite some publications ready for vitamin D.

00:03:33.200 And I was wondering, I think it was in March, April, May 2020, why are they not talking about

00:03:39.100 vitamin D?

00:03:39.920 Everybody has, like, sufficient levels, doesn't get ill.

00:03:44.320 In general, usually doesn't get ill.

00:03:46.180 We can't generalize, but usually the likelihood is, like, close to zero to get ill if you have

00:03:51.920 adequate levels.

00:03:53.700 They just wouldn't talk about this.

00:03:55.220 So I was writing publication, publishing it in a good journal, in a high-ranked journal,

00:04:01.920 Q1 journal.

00:04:03.600 And it got published.

00:04:04.940 And then I got into trouble.

00:04:05.960 So the first people were sending emails to my former university, former employer at Wageningen

00:04:11.480 University in the Netherlands.

00:04:14.380 And they were, like, confronting me, like, hey, why did you publish this?

00:04:18.940 I was like, what?

00:04:21.800 It's a publication showing the solution, you know, or a possible solution.

00:04:27.140 Hold on a second.

00:04:28.040 So this is a peer-reviewed journal.

00:04:30.140 So you're not publishing it.

00:04:31.560 It's not like...

00:04:32.140 Paper.

00:04:32.400 Yeah, yeah, in a paper, in a peer-reviewed journal, right?

00:04:36.820 It's a journal that peer reviews three external peer reviewers that agreed with the content

00:04:42.220 of my paper.

00:04:43.120 Yes, definitely.

00:04:44.320 Okay, so, and so if I've understood this correctly, they're objecting to a paper being published

00:04:51.680 in a peer-reviewed journal that's been peer-reviewed by your peers.

00:04:55.300 And it's a scientific paper.

00:04:58.480 You're a scientist.

00:05:00.000 And go on.

00:05:01.640 Yeah.

00:05:02.280 So the university got emails from people that are in the skeptic movement.

00:05:09.180 I don't know if you're familiar with the skeptic movement.

00:05:11.860 It's, let's say, I call them a sect.

00:05:14.580 So everything which is not in line with what the government says, they're skeptic about.

00:05:20.180 They're not skeptic about stuff in general.

00:05:22.500 It's a sect.

00:05:23.060 It's an evil sect.

00:05:23.820 And their members were after me, sending emails like, okay, look, there's one of your

00:05:29.580 scientists who's, who is publishing dangerous pseudoscience, stuff like that.

00:05:36.660 Must have been many emails.

00:05:37.960 They were telling that I would sell vitamin D online, that I had my vitamin D business and

00:05:48.820 that I consequently had conflicts of interest.

00:05:52.000 Back then, I didn't have any vitamin D business.

00:05:54.440 I mean, they gave me the idea to open one when I got the third time.

00:05:58.160 But I didn't have any, I didn't even think about selling vitamin D back then.

00:06:03.600 It wouldn't even come to my mind.

00:06:04.620 But they were just making it up.

00:06:06.520 Right.

00:06:07.160 And so on.

00:06:08.340 So I got in trouble the first time at the university.

00:06:09.960 Not really in trouble because I could explain.

00:06:12.320 But it was like a process.

00:06:13.500 I had to explain a lot.

00:06:14.480 Why my stuff isn't pseudoscience.

00:06:18.760 So I did this and things were fine again until I think I became active on Twitter end of December 2020.

00:06:27.420 Before that, I wasn't really into social media.

00:06:29.880 So I have my, my Instagram just for my friends, which I don't use.

00:06:33.460 Once a month, I look into there as someone sent me a message back from school.

00:06:36.580 I don't have Facebook.

00:06:39.540 LinkedIn is dead.

00:06:41.540 So I'm not a social media person.

00:06:43.700 I mean, I talk to my friends, of course, on Telegram, whatever.

00:06:46.600 But I mean, like, I don't like social media or I didn't like social media.

00:06:50.100 I started to like it now.

00:06:52.580 So in December, I started calling out scientists who were like publishing vitamin D papers that were biased.

00:07:01.980 So also people said like, oh, vitamin D is going to, is going to cure everything.

00:07:05.700 There was a scientist that said like levels above 35 negative milliliter.

00:07:09.420 Oh my gosh, nobody is going to get to hospital and stuff.

00:07:12.680 It's all, it was all made up data.

00:07:14.220 So I was calling on them, even though they were on my side more or less, you know.

00:07:17.580 But I was just looking into, into papers and I was trying to defend scientific integrity.

00:07:22.980 Until a neighbor of mine in Netherlands said like, Simon, do you want to look into what I found here?

00:07:29.080 And I was like, what is it?

00:07:29.980 And he's like, the original PCR protocol, COVID protocol published by Christian Drosten, seemed to have bypassed the preview process.

00:07:40.320 I was like, that's unlikely.

00:07:42.700 He was like, look into this.

00:07:43.620 So I was looking into this because I was, back then I was an editor of a journal and as an editor, I'm very aware of what the preview process looked like.

00:07:53.280 Journal, it was an El Sophia journal, so top-notch journal.

00:07:55.740 Journal, and I was just explaining in a thread, I think I had like 10, 20, 30 followers back then.

00:08:02.940 So nothing, you know, like these, these small accounts, they're small.

00:08:08.040 And NPC, I was an NPC.

00:08:11.980 Not very important people really, but 20, 30 followers, but you have about half a million now, which is.

00:08:19.240 Yeah, yeah, I mean, but it started like that, it started that I wrote a thread explaining how a period process works, why it takes several months in order to get your paper through period process.

00:08:31.420 So mine now, I have one on climate change, it's quite funny, actually.

00:08:37.120 It's like, it's a critical one, but still, yeah, trying to stay within the narrative in order to be critical.

00:08:43.640 I can, I can talk about later, maybe not, but at least it's, it's been in peer review for one and a half years.

00:08:51.160 You can, you can imagine.

00:08:54.400 So Drosten's paper was less than a day from submission till being online.

00:09:03.780 So it's impossible.

00:09:04.960 It's literally impossible.

00:09:05.900 It's like, it's like, you know, you running against Usain Bolt, 100 meters, and you beat him by running in five seconds, and he still needs 10 point something.

00:09:14.620 Everyone would be like, this is impossible.

00:09:16.100 And you would be like, come on, don't be a conspiracy theorist. 1.00

00:09:21.280 And just come up with stupid arguments, you know? 0.99

00:09:23.860 And so I was publishing this thread, which was totally factual. 1.00

00:09:27.940 And I was going to bed.

00:09:30.000 And the next day I woke up in hatred.

00:09:33.400 So I got many messages from virologists, virologists, with, I thought they were huge accounts, like 5,000, 10,000.

00:09:43.180 For me, these were huge accounts that were tagging me in the university and, and, and saying I would like, it would be a smear campaign against their colleague.

00:09:54.240 And I'd be a pseudoscientist.

00:09:56.180 And then I got in real trouble.

00:09:59.280 So I had to talk to, to the dean about why I did this.

00:10:05.300 I was like, look, just, just look at my analysis.

00:10:07.360 Is it correct?

00:10:07.960 Like he was looking into this.

00:10:09.020 It was like, it's correct.

00:10:10.220 What I said is factual, but why, why, why would I do this?

00:10:15.300 Like, why would you, I'm like, come on, scientific fraud.

00:10:18.600 I mean, I'm a scientist.

00:10:19.580 Why should I accept this?

00:10:20.400 I don't know.

00:10:20.580 Why can't you just be quiet?

00:10:21.820 We're like, people were telling me, why can't you just be quiet?

00:10:24.860 And there was no colleague who was totally like, Simon, we support you.

00:10:27.940 I mean, like the university supported me publicly in a tweet.

00:10:29.960 So like Simon is, has, has his rise for freedom of expression.

00:10:35.260 But eventually, sort of weeks later, I was dismissed.

00:10:40.000 Not publicly dismissed.

00:10:41.580 They just didn't prolong my contract, even though I got my own follow-up funding.

00:10:45.420 So that took the follow-up funding I got for them in my free time, which were millions.

00:10:50.080 All right.

00:10:51.400 Of the project were millions of, of, of dollars.

00:10:54.260 And they just said like, no, we, you're too critical.

00:10:56.740 We're going to thank you for the money.

00:10:58.160 We are going to get an uncritical scientist with money. 0.99

00:11:00.500 But us, I was like, what the fuck? 0.99

00:11:03.940 That is, that was being canceled big time. 0.99

00:11:07.020 And I mean, the university is a very woke university.

00:11:10.880 It's like, their, their things, their topics are climate change and, and climate change

00:11:17.900 and climate change and sustainability.

00:11:19.640 So Agenda 2030, more or less, that's where they get the money from.

00:11:23.320 It's still, I mean, criticism wasn't really, wasn't really supported there, unfortunately.

00:11:28.500 So tell me something on vitamin D.

00:11:31.500 That was the paper that you published in that journal.

00:11:34.580 What made you, and I, and I read somewhere that, you know, in early spring of 2020, you

00:11:41.500 know, you saw the news coming out of Bergamo and, you know, you, you, you know, you were

00:11:46.560 also a little concerned about what was happening.

00:11:49.120 And then what made you link, what made you come up with the idea that vitamin D has the

00:11:55.500 potential to treat COVID-19?

00:11:57.420 Oh, it's because I've been working on metabolism.

00:12:00.720 So I make, you can just imagine the, the wall behind me with many, many factors, you know,

00:12:06.640 and I make causal loop diagrams.

00:12:08.980 So I have these, these nerdy diagrams with interlinking factors and, and it's actually,

00:12:17.500 it's, it's a cause and effect graphic, which contains hundreds of thousands of factors.

00:12:22.600 Okay.

00:12:23.200 Okay.

00:12:23.600 So that's, that's, that's what I've been, that's what I've been doing.

00:12:26.520 That's what I've been doing for years, for several years.

00:12:28.680 So I, so I always knew that if getting sick is vitamin D deficiency and most of the cases

00:12:37.240 and most of the cases.

00:12:38.200 So I wrote the paper also, especially to tell people, Hey, it's not just vitamin D.

00:12:43.360 You need to take vitamin K2 and in order to, in order to make sure that the calcium is stored

00:12:53.760 in, in your bones and teeth and not in your, in your bloodstream.

00:12:57.320 So you don't get liver stones.

00:12:58.820 You, you, you, you literally avoid calcification.

00:13:02.660 And that's why I wrote this paper to make people aware of this fact and to make people

00:13:07.500 aware.

00:13:07.820 Look, if you don't want to get sick, just make sure your vitamin D levels are sufficient

00:13:13.700 because I refer to other publications that showed like that almost all death, all people 0.99

00:13:21.700 who died with COVID, I don't say due to COVID because I think it's a, it's a co-mobility,

00:13:26.060 the COVID is the co-mobility and they died with a vitamin D deficiency, which means less than

00:13:32.360 less 10 nanograms per milliliter.

00:13:34.220 And people who are at higher levels usually didn't die.

00:13:37.340 So we're just making people aware of this.

00:13:39.080 And, uh, I thought it was the right thing to do back in the time, especially when they

00:13:42.920 came up with the mask mandate and, uh, and be a biotechnician.

00:13:46.720 I know that this mask doesn't work.

00:13:49.980 I mean, it doesn't even, it doesn't even work against dust in the, uh, in the, um, in the lab.

00:13:55.980 So how, how should it, how should it be able to prevent a virus from exactly.

00:14:01.220 And we are, we've always been told don't wear a mask too long.

00:14:04.220 You're like breeding on fungi.

00:14:06.320 It's, it's, it's, it's dangerous.

00:14:08.540 And, and suddenly they told everybody to, and I was like, okay, this can't be the solution.

00:14:11.780 So I was just writing this paper.

00:14:13.220 I had too much time.

00:14:14.120 I think it was, we call him Pinkster.

00:14:15.920 I think it's, it's some, it's some Christian holiday and it was, it was a long weekend

00:14:20.480 and I was just using this weekend to write on this paper.

00:14:23.540 I was just motivated for whatever reason.

00:14:25.520 And if I hadn't done this, I would still have a good position now, but I mean, like, I'm

00:14:30.440 glad I did anyway.

00:14:32.460 Yeah, no, I'm glad that you did.

00:14:34.060 I mean, I'm sorry that you paid a very heavy price for, uh, for being a scientist for, uh,

00:14:40.240 for following the, for following the scientific method, no, no, no, I'm free, no, I'm free.

00:14:45.720 Uh, I wouldn't call it a price and, and retro is packed.

00:14:49.480 It was, it was the good thing to do back in the time.

00:14:52.300 It was, it was just like, it was a nightmare.

00:14:54.920 Yeah.

00:14:55.620 Yeah, no, I, I can, I, I believe that.

00:14:58.060 And, um, you know, so here you are, this is your area of expertise, vitamin D is something

00:15:02.860 you've been researching even before COVID happened.

00:15:05.980 Um, this is what, in a sense you've been trained to do.

00:15:09.080 You're a scientist.

00:15:10.780 Um, and, um, and, and, and what, and, and then there are all of these objections to

00:15:16.620 you publishing this paper, which is again, again, I have to point this out.

00:15:20.120 It's been evaluated by your peers and they're like, this is a good paper.

00:15:23.800 And I think it needs to be published.

00:15:25.620 And I know something about academia.

00:15:27.560 It's very hard to get, you know, papers published in some, in, in good journals.

00:15:32.800 Yes. 0.99

00:15:33.220 Well, it depends if you're, if, if you're a Peter Ho test, you can write whatever shit you 1.00

00:15:37.220 want. 0.99

00:15:37.500 Exactly.

00:15:37.780 But if you are, if you are a scientist who's not corrupt, who isn't in the circles of all

00:15:43.880 these, of all these editors, it's, it's difficult to get stuff published.

00:15:48.060 And I want to, I want to come to that a little later, uh, about what's happening in, in, in

00:15:53.240 academic science.

00:15:55.200 Uh, did, did your, did your university, uh, at all tell you why they objected to your, uh,

00:16:02.640 paper on vitamin E, why did they, I believe they branded you a pseudoscientist, um, and

00:16:08.740 no, the, the, the university didn't, they didn't, they didn't.

00:16:12.420 Okay.

00:16:12.920 Um, they just, they just told me, they didn't even tell me in a written form.

00:16:17.580 They just told me on the phone, I'm too critical and they prefer to have a, a scientist who's

00:16:24.680 less critical and that they got like a message from above.

00:16:27.860 Um, above, so probably the ministry or I know to not employ me any longer.

00:16:32.540 Okay.

00:16:33.040 So this is all they told me, but I, I didn't fight with any of these professors there.

00:16:37.360 Actually, I was, I was friends with them until I got sent.

00:16:39.860 Okay.

00:16:40.860 I mean, were you tenured at this time?

00:16:43.920 I don't know how it works in, uh, Europe, but, uh, were you a tenured professor at this

00:16:48.680 point?

00:16:49.680 No, I wasn't, I was, I still wasn't in the tenure track.

00:16:52.360 I was planning to, it was the end of my first postdoc.

00:16:55.860 Okay.

00:16:56.860 So I did, I did the postdoc and I had the follow up funding for, for, for then a position

00:17:02.820 that would have been tenure or a second postdoc.

00:17:05.360 So did you push, uh, I I'm assuming that you, uh, you, you, you may have pushed against

00:17:11.920 the university or your, your, your, your, these other scientists saying that this is,

00:17:17.720 you know, you're, you're a pseudoscientist and that this paper is not, uh, is, is, you

00:17:22.860 know, is, is, is just, uh, denying the existence of, uh, COVID-19 did you, well, how did you react

00:17:29.020 to it?

00:17:30.020 Like, did you, did you pursue?

00:17:31.020 I didn't, I didn't, I just remained quiet.

00:17:35.260 So I, I was, I was just explaining internally that what this paper is about and they read

00:17:41.520 this paper and they agreed with my paper and they said, it's fine.

00:17:45.020 And what I did is correct.

00:17:46.880 The problem was when I called out Marion Koopmans, who was a coauthor of this, um, of this PCR

00:17:53.260 protocol, she's the Dutch state virologist from the, from the Netherlands and the university

00:17:59.280 is a Dutch university.

00:18:00.880 So I, I was literally proving that Marion Koopmans was corrupt.

00:18:05.140 All right.

00:18:06.140 So, I mean, like, and that was proved indirectly.

00:18:08.880 I was saying the Dutch government is corrupt because they were taking crop scientists.

00:18:13.820 She was even, she was thrown out of some committee because she got money from the Chinese communist

00:18:19.100 party. 0.61

00:18:20.100 Obviously was very corrupt and I still consider her corrupt. 1.00

00:18:24.140 She belongs to court.

00:18:25.360 All right.

00:18:26.360 But the university of course, back then was like, okay, you cannot, you cannot take the

00:18:29.760 Dutch state virologist.

00:18:31.360 We are in a dangerous situation here, blah, blah, blah, blah, blah, blah.

00:18:34.600 So this was, this was the situation I was facing.

00:18:37.540 And when they send me, when they, I mean, they didn't fire me.

00:18:41.360 I mean, they just didn't prolong the contract, even though I gave them new money.

00:18:44.320 So it's something that has never happened before in academia.

00:18:47.320 I've never heard of this, especially as I got the money, as I wrote this application

00:18:51.160 in free time, in my free time, I wasn't even writing it for the university.

00:18:55.000 I was writing it for myself.

00:18:56.000 And I put the university as a partner on this paper, on this, on this application.

00:19:01.040 So I eventually got a job at, I think this project contained six partners that I sourced.

00:19:07.700 So eventually other universities want to take me as well.

00:19:10.260 Everybody was like, oh, no, no, no, no, but one in Norway was willing to take me.

00:19:14.880 So they took me one week after I got sent off Twitter for posting my vitamin D study again,

00:19:22.300 and for asking the Bill Gates Foundation, why they invested in BioNTech in September, 2019.

00:19:27.900 And I referred to their website and this was COVID disinformation.

00:19:31.220 I got kicked off Twitter in June, 2021.

00:19:34.920 And end of June, 2021, I started working for the Norwegian Research Institute, which went

00:19:38.920 fine until early 2023, which is this year.

00:19:44.760 And what happened with the Norwegian Research Institute?

00:19:47.540 Well, I got my Twitter account back.

00:19:52.880 You can imagine.

00:19:55.160 I had one a half years time to just collect statements.

00:19:59.880 I was just collecting new statements, journalist statements, scientist statements on Twitter.

00:20:03.580 I was just like lurking on a small account and I was just making screenshots.

00:20:07.420 Okay.

00:20:08.420 I actually was planning to write a book about this at some point with all the contradictions.

00:20:14.200 I mean, super interesting what they said before and after or some people don't even change

00:20:19.920 their minds.

00:20:20.920 And then I got my Twitter account back and I had the chance to ask these people why they

00:20:24.960 have been saying this in 2021, which is what I did.

00:20:27.960 Of course, you must say that here, your Twitter comes back, I was like, yay, I will confront

00:20:31.800 these people.

00:20:32.800 And I wasn't even, you know, I wasn't, I wasn't saying like, hey, look what you said.

00:20:36.800 And I was just like, how do you, how do you, do you, do you still, do you still see it

00:20:41.420 like that?

00:20:42.420 Or would you consider yourself corrupt taking the fact that you get money from this and

00:20:47.020 this organization?

00:20:48.020 You say this and that.

00:20:49.240 So just like very simple questions, every, every critical journalist would ask.

00:20:54.880 But I think two weeks after I asked these people these questions, I got fired in Norway

00:21:00.700 for, for, here we go.

00:21:02.960 The reason, official reason is Simon Godek exceeded his freedom of expression on Twitter.

00:21:10.700 Amazing.

00:21:11.700 Amazing.

00:21:12.700 And there's no, there's no country that's not a dictatorship where you can come, I mean,

00:21:17.080 like where you can come up with this reason.

00:21:19.120 It's not a reason.

00:21:20.120 What is exceeding freedom of expression?

00:21:22.320 Well, what does that even mean?

00:21:25.140 Yeah.

00:21:26.140 They came up with an example.

00:21:27.140 They said like, I, I kind of said that someone could be corrupt.

00:21:33.160 So I was suggesting corruption, but I was asking this person whether the person was corrupt.

00:21:37.940 David Fishman from Canada, who said like, yeah, you know, he's one of the worst ever.

00:21:43.180 He belongs to court.

00:21:44.640 But he was saying like, oh, the vaccine is like 100% effective.

00:21:47.320 Everybody does say otherwise, you know, just like extremely long.

00:21:50.140 He said like, we need a, because the vaccine is so effective and so safe.

00:21:55.140 We need, what do you say?

00:21:57.140 We need, we need to vaccine, vaccinate by force, or we need to make it obligatory. 0.77

00:22:04.140 Whatever he said.

00:22:05.140 And these were statements that are, that were never based by, there's never a consensus about this.

00:22:10.320 I mean, there wasn't even proof for that.

00:22:13.140 And I was just asking him like, Hey, on a level from one till 10, how corrupt are you?

00:22:18.080 Stuff like that.

00:22:19.940 And yeah.

00:22:20.940 And they said, and I don't know, they got, they got many, many emails.

00:22:24.600 So my, my former, my former boss was, was, was even telling me just orally that he received

00:22:30.060 many, many, many complaints every day about me and the company in general, I mean, research

00:22:35.160 Institute is a private research Institute also funded by the government.

00:22:38.420 So I think it's 50, 50 thing.

00:22:40.660 And they received complaints.

00:22:43.300 But until I got fired, I was like holding myself back a lot to just be factual, et cetera,

00:22:49.000 but didn't help.

00:22:50.000 It didn't help.

00:22:51.000 They fired me.

00:22:52.000 And then my lawyer said like, Oh, this was, this was unlawful.

00:22:54.000 They fired me again.

00:22:55.000 Wasn't lawful again.

00:22:56.000 And they fired me the third time.

00:22:57.780 And now I dragged them to court.

00:22:59.120 So that's the situation.

00:23:02.000 And they're extremely evoke, everybody double backs boosted, everybody gets tested literally

00:23:07.060 every day.

00:23:08.060 It's, it's a, it's very, very evoke, they, they even don't, they even don't allow Russians 1.00

00:23:15.580 to work for them because what Russia said, like Russia is detecting Ukraine.

00:23:19.700 We, we're not, we're not, we're not like letting Russians work for us anymore. 1.00

00:23:22.700 So there it's like, you know, the Russians, the unvaccinated it's like, yeah, totally, 1.00

00:23:28.040 extremely evoke.

00:23:28.700 At least I lost my job for, for being on Twitter again.

00:23:32.700 So for exceeding my freedom of expression.

00:23:36.700 I think it's funny.

00:23:37.700 I think it's funny.

00:23:38.700 I mean, like there's no way they can win the lawsuit.

00:23:42.700 I mean, I cannot imagine they could, no.

00:23:45.700 Well, I'm, I'm glad that, you know, you're able to laugh at this.

00:23:48.700 Speaking about your lawsuit, I saw a few days ago, Elon Musk is offering financial support

00:23:54.700 to those who've been fired for expressing a view on Twitter by their employer.

00:24:00.700 Is this something that you're going to take up?

00:24:02.700 Are you going to take up, take Elon on his offer?

00:24:06.700 Well, so I woke up and I got, I got a mail from my lawyer, Simon, look at this tweet

00:24:11.700 from Elon.

00:24:12.700 I was like, cool.

00:24:13.700 So I was writing a post and just, I'm just explaining what happened to me.

00:24:16.700 It went viral.

00:24:18.700 I think it had several million views and I think like 40, 40,000 likes.

00:24:22.700 And, and I was asking Elon Musk, hey, whom do I have to contact?

00:24:26.700 Because my case is like, it's like the case because I got fired after he took over.

00:24:33.700 You know, I got fired this year for literally doing nothing wrong for just exceeding my right

00:24:40.700 to freedom of suppression.

00:24:42.700 So I was asking him and I was asking others like, whom do I contact?

00:24:46.700 Because they're like, they will take up every single person who got fired.

00:24:50.700 And they will even take the, go after the, the, the board of the companies.

00:24:55.700 But I didn't get any reply.

00:24:57.700 I, I have no clue.

00:24:59.700 Maybe I have to write an email.

00:25:01.700 I have my lawyer to write an email to Twitter, because I think this would be a very interesting

00:25:05.700 thing because in Norway, just to sue a company, it's like 20 to 30,000 US dollars.

00:25:11.700 I don't have that.

00:25:12.700 So I was now selling my car in order to pay my lawyer.

00:25:15.700 And up till now, I having, I'm having some campaign, some funding.

00:25:19.700 Um, you know, this go fund me just like a better website because go fund me is Vogue as well.

00:25:25.700 So I have also this campaign running, I think already raised $4,000, which, which, which will

00:25:30.700 cover at least a couple of percent, I think 20% or a bit less.

00:25:34.700 So yeah.

00:25:35.700 So car plus this, I could maybe cover now 50, 60%, but, um, what Twitter's offering of course

00:25:42.700 is tempting because I mean, we are using, or I'm using the platform.

00:25:47.700 I'm getting them so much traffic.

00:25:48.700 I'm getting them so much money via the ads, which I'm, which I'm generating.

00:25:53.700 And like, I'm losing my, my job for, for using this platform, which is, yeah, which is unfortunate.

00:25:57.700 But of course it's not their fault.

00:25:59.700 I could just like refrain from using it.

00:26:01.700 Um, but then I would silence myself and it's also, it's also no solution.

00:26:06.700 Yeah.

00:26:07.700 Uh, back to the science and, uh, descent in, in, in, uh, within science.

00:26:13.700 Um, how do you differentiate between genuine scientific disagreements and instances where

00:26:18.700 scientists are deliberately manipulating, uh, outcomes to match their beliefs?

00:26:23.700 Uh, you referred to this, uh, PCR test earlier.

00:26:26.700 Um, and you know, I, that probably I'm thinking about that.

00:26:30.700 Like, how do you, how do you differentiate between the two?

00:26:34.700 Well, I don't trust academia anymore at all.

00:26:37.700 Okay.

00:26:38.700 Because the system is rigged up to wherever.

00:26:41.700 So for example, let's look at Peter Hotas.

00:26:44.700 I mean, he is my favorite example.

00:26:46.700 He was writing several publications for the Lancet, for nature, for the best, for the highest

00:26:52.700 ranked journals in the world.

00:26:54.700 But he was saying like, we need to treat unvaccinated people, or we need to treat those 1.00

00:26:59.700 who post the vaccine, like terrorists.

00:27:01.700 We need a counter terrorist group to attack them like military style. 0.98

00:27:05.700 They are evil Russian spies, stuff like that.

00:27:08.700 He even brings in Russia every time he writes. 0.92

00:27:10.700 It's so unscientific.

00:27:11.700 And he gets, he gets published.

00:27:13.700 The question is why there needs to be some high degree of corruption, uh, in the background.

00:27:19.700 I, there's no other solution than, than that.

00:27:22.700 I don't have any explanation.

00:27:24.700 So if I sent a top notch paper to nature or to the Lancet, they wouldn't accept because

00:27:29.700 who is this dude?

00:27:30.700 Peter Hotas gets everything.

00:27:32.700 So he's, he's friends.

00:27:33.700 He's friends with all the editors.

00:27:35.700 So the problem is that, that these, I call them pseudoscientists because they have other interests.

00:27:41.700 They probably get money from, uh, from, from other organizations that you can see that.

00:27:47.700 That, uh, his hospital for gets money from the Bill Gates Foundation.

00:27:51.700 You don't know how they communicate to the background.

00:27:53.700 I mean, they say, I can, if you publish this and that, we give, we give your institution some money.

00:27:57.700 I have no clue how it works in the background, but I can tell you it's not science.

00:28:02.700 It's not science.

00:28:03.700 If, if, if the media only invite Dr.

00:28:06.700 Leanna Nguyen, Dr.

00:28:08.700 Eric Ding and, and Peter Hotas, and maybe Topol just to spread their pseudoscientific nonsense,

00:28:16.700 which is dangerous to people.

00:28:17.700 And the silence of those who actually just try to help people.

00:28:21.700 And then, you know, there are people like Hotas who make, who make so much money. 1.00

00:28:26.700 And also the other players for sure make lots of money.

00:28:29.700 Uh, and they say, okay, their media says they're legitimate, but like people who lose everything

00:28:34.700 like me and others, it's like, oh, they're grifters.

00:28:37.700 Oh, they, they don't support science.

00:28:39.700 The science settled, you know?

00:28:41.700 I mean, like, uh, you just have to, I mean, there's no logic behind it.

00:28:45.700 If you lose everything, there's reason you lose everything. 1.00

00:28:48.700 Either you're just like stupid or they just want to silence you. 1.00

00:28:52.700 And everybody has to make their own mind. 1.00

00:28:53.700 Everybody has to think rationally.

00:28:55.700 I mean, common sense has been lost and just like user common sense and think about what's

00:28:59.700 happening.

00:29:00.700 And then you can make up your own mind.

00:29:02.700 Are there, I mean, I know you're, um, you know, disappointed the way, uh, uh, you know,

00:29:08.700 things have, uh, evolved in, in, within the scientific community, but are there any specific fields or

00:29:14.700 disciplines within science where you believe this kind of bias and manipulation or corruption,

00:29:19.700 as you call it, um, of study outcomes are more prevalent.

00:29:23.700 And why do you think that is?

00:29:25.700 Social science.

00:29:26.700 Okay.

00:29:27.700 Gender science.

00:29:28.700 Yeah.

00:29:29.700 Gender science.

00:29:30.700 Yeah.

00:29:31.700 Gender science.

00:29:32.700 Yeah.

00:29:33.700 Yeah.

00:29:34.700 What should I say?

00:29:35.700 It's, it's, it's, it's.

00:29:36.700 Yeah.

00:29:37.700 Yeah.

00:29:38.700 All right.

00:29:39.700 I don't want to use it all when I'm here.

00:29:40.700 So, but, uh, I have a very strong opinion about gender science and most fields of social

00:29:45.700 science.

00:29:46.700 It's sorry.

00:29:48.700 Yeah.

00:29:49.700 Uh, no, the method, it, it starts with the methodology they're using.

00:29:53.700 It's, it's, it's most likely junk to the highest degree, uh, but they get funded.

00:30:00.700 So you have to look who's trying to support it. 0.79

00:30:04.700 It's agenda 2030.

00:30:05.700 The also, um, the European union has a program.

00:30:10.700 I thought, I think it was called horizon 2020.

00:30:13.700 I think it's now it's called horizon something horizon Europe.

00:30:16.700 And they're supporting a lot of these fields, um, gender equality, subtle gender equality

00:30:23.700 in the field, general quality.

00:30:24.700 They put all this stuff like trends, transitions, and, and, and you can apply for it and you get

00:30:30.700 the money.

00:30:31.700 And then of course these people apply for this aren't, aren't based people there.

00:30:34.700 They're woke people who publish woke stuff in woke journals, and then it becomes reality.

00:30:39.700 So, so, uh, yeah, the money is put there.

00:30:43.700 The money isn't put to the right place.

00:30:45.700 So do you, do you think if you remove, I mean, you need funding to pursue research.

00:30:50.700 So how do you propose, um, getting around this?

00:30:54.700 I mean, unfortunately we can't get, get away from the funding.

00:30:57.700 Right.

00:30:58.700 And the funders, the funders or determine what they want to hear.

00:31:03.700 So if you apply for horizon Europe, it already, it states what they want to hear and what

00:31:08.700 they want you to talk about.

00:31:09.700 So they already determine, um, the path you need to take within, within your, within your

00:31:15.700 study proposal.

00:31:16.700 So they, the, the science, they just want to confirm what the people who fund you want

00:31:25.700 to hear.

00:31:26.700 And they like, it's a, it's a confirmation bias more or less.

00:31:30.700 Yeah.

00:31:31.700 And then this becomes reality.

00:31:32.700 And then this attracts more people.

00:31:34.700 And, and it just, it's impossible.

00:31:37.700 For example, client, let's say climate.

00:31:39.700 Okay.

00:31:40.700 It's impossible for being critical and publishing and, uh, climate critical publications because

00:31:46.700 none of all these journals would accept it because as soon as the journal accepts this,

00:31:50.700 they would get canceled.

00:31:51.700 So we're talking about a scientific community, which is homogenous, uh, and doesn't allow other 0.95

00:31:59.700 opinions and that's not science.

00:32:02.700 Yeah.

00:32:03.700 Um, you know, you, you spoke, uh, earlier about, uh, you know, you, how you have these experts,

00:32:09.700 you know, going on TV, they're like the experts on, on, on COVID-19 or gender science or, uh,

00:32:19.700 whatnot.

00:32:20.700 To what extent do you think media coverage, um, and, uh, you know, influence the behavior

00:32:28.700 of scientists in terms of pursuing scientific outcomes in their studies?

00:32:33.700 Um, I don't know, but I can tell you that you also, you know,

00:32:39.700 also have the same bias for journalists.

00:32:42.700 Journalists know if they don't report what, what is on the agenda, they will most likely

00:32:47.700 lose their job or they cannot, like, get a better position within, within wherever they're

00:32:55.700 working.

00:32:56.700 So journalists do what they're taught to be done.

00:33:01.700 To be done.

00:33:02.700 And of course, if you, if you're a journalist and you want to start working for some, for

00:33:05.700 some state media in Europe, you need to be left with invoke.

00:33:08.700 Otherwise they will not take you.

00:33:10.700 Um, and I mean, like there's at least for Germany, there was a, there was a survey, um, among volunteers

00:33:18.700 who worked for the state media and who, which party they would vote vote for.

00:33:23.700 And it was more than 90%, the, the eco, the left wing woke eco party.

00:33:30.700 So, you know, when you are in a team of like 20 people, when you're the only one who's like

00:33:37.700 conservative or let's say base or critical, you, you can't make, you can't get your position,

00:33:43.700 um, out to the general public.

00:33:45.700 So that's where it's starting.

00:33:46.700 And of course the, the journalists then invite those who also share the vote positions and

00:33:52.700 who say what they want to hear and what they support.

00:33:55.700 Of course they take the Peter Hotezes or they take Liana Wenz. 0.98

00:34:00.700 Um, most of the journalists don't know that they are most likely installed or most likely

00:34:05.700 put into this position.

00:34:06.700 You know, and there's there, I think there are only a few people who more or less select

00:34:12.700 who's going to be on the news or I don't know how it works to be honest.

00:34:17.700 Well, I mean, it's just that I'm, yeah, I'm, I'm just thinking like you're a scientist,

00:34:22.700 you're an expert, uh, you're, you've been invited to a talk show, um, and you keep getting

00:34:28.700 invited and then you become a celebrity, you know, from, from, from, from, from sitting

00:34:33.700 in your lab all day.

00:34:34.700 You're now like on TV and you're, you know, you, um, uh, and you have, you know, you become

00:34:41.700 a celeb overnight and then I wonder to what extent, you know, a scientist in that position

00:34:48.700 is able to separate the publicity and the celebrity status that they have now recently

00:34:54.700 acquired from actually doing real science and being objective in what they're doing.

00:34:58.700 That's a problem.

00:34:59.700 And yeah, that is a problem.

00:35:01.700 And, um, Simon, yeah, I know you have to run, but I want to ask.

00:35:04.700 No, it's, it's, it's fine.

00:35:05.700 We can, we can talk about, um, a couple of minutes longer.

00:35:08.700 I just have to run errands before having me on the next interview.

00:35:11.700 But, um, you know, what, what I, what I love to do about the, so my role right now, exactly

00:35:17.700 what you said is correct.

00:35:18.700 Yeah.

00:35:19.700 But I love to look at prior 2020 and post 2020.

00:35:24.700 So I take the same scientists and I check, what did they say about these topics prior 2020

00:35:31.700 and post 2020 and it's most likely all these famous, um, science liberties prior 2020 said

00:35:39.700 exactly the opposite of what they're stating now regarding vaccines for respiratory viruses,

00:35:45.700 regarding masks, regarding, uh, how to cope with the pandemic regarding everything you probably see.

00:35:52.700 They stated the exact opposite.

00:35:57.700 And that's what I like to expose.

00:35:58.700 And this actually shows that something is wrong because I haven't seen any fact-checking agency

00:36:05.700 who has done what I'm doing to check.

00:36:08.700 What do your heroes?

00:36:09.700 What did your heroes say prior 2020?

00:36:12.700 And, you know, they take every meme I post.

00:36:15.700 I post memes.

00:36:16.700 Sometimes I love posting memes on Twitter because memes like take humor in order to,

00:36:20.700 to show that something is going wrong.

00:36:22.700 So they take my memes and the fact-check memes like what the heck who fact-checks memes.

00:36:27.700 They do this.

00:36:28.700 Yeah.

00:36:29.700 Who's doing this and, and news agencies are doing this.

00:36:31.700 CNN was, was fact-checking my memes, but they don't fact-check their own experts.

00:36:36.700 They don't fact-check their own fact-checkers.

00:36:38.700 And that's a big problem, isn't it?

00:36:40.700 Yeah, no, absolutely.

00:36:41.700 And, uh, um, yeah, I mean, it's, uh, it's, it's quite extraordinary.

00:36:45.700 I don't even think that the fact-checkers in most cases are even, do even have any kind

00:36:50.700 of a science background to be honest with you.

00:36:52.700 No.

00:36:53.700 It's, it's, it's, it's unreal.

00:36:55.700 Like it's, it's, uh, it's, it's a real bizarre world where the people fact-checking scientists

00:37:00.700 themselves have no basis in science.

00:37:02.700 Yeah.

00:37:03.700 And, and, uh, and I wonder what, you know, I've spoken to a bunch of scientists and they're

00:37:08.700 just like, you know, you know, here's this intern in a fact-checking organization.

00:37:13.700 I have a PhD and I've worked for like 20 years on the subject and they're telling me, you

00:37:18.700 know, how to, uh, you know, how to do my job essentially.

00:37:21.700 So it's really quite something I want to ask you about what you're doing right now.

00:37:25.700 I know you moved to Brazil, um, uh, recently and, uh, and you have a startup.

00:37:30.700 Can you tell us a bit about your startup?

00:37:32.700 Oh yeah, shortly.

00:37:33.700 Um, I can do that.

00:37:34.700 So I moved to Brazil after I lost my first job.

00:37:36.700 And, uh, because no money in Europe is a problem.

00:37:40.700 Right.

00:37:41.700 So I moved here, um, easy life.

00:37:43.700 My partner's Brazilian and it's, it's, it's a beautiful country to live in at least for

00:37:47.700 a while, I think.

00:37:48.700 And, um, so yeah, after I got fired the second time, so I already had like an idea that will

00:37:54.700 fire me. 0.96

00:37:55.700 So it was like working on a plan B and I was like, okay, everybody has always been accusing

00:37:58.700 me of selling vitamin D and I was like, I'm going to do that.

00:38:02.700 So it was just like having, I was just starting a small, um, startup, um, Sunfluencer.

00:38:09.700 Um, like influencers like Sunfluencer and I'm, I'm selling vitamin D and the next product

00:38:15.700 will be omega threes.

00:38:16.700 I just want a turnkey solution.

00:38:17.700 You know, that you don't have to take like 15 pills per day.

00:38:20.700 Just take a two vitamin D's and two omega threes.

00:38:23.700 And then actually that's, that gives you actually all you need to the average person.

00:38:26.700 So I just want to make life easier for people.

00:38:28.700 I want to give them, um, I want to tackle their deficiencies.

00:38:33.700 Main deficiencies of magnesium, vitamin D.

00:38:35.700 And if you take it with K2 and, uh, some degree zinc, but just like 20% and omega threes

00:38:40.700 are very, very high deficiency.

00:38:42.700 Just want to give people a solution for having better health, for being more independent

00:38:47.700 from the government.

00:38:48.700 It's just like my small startup.

00:38:49.700 I'm trying to grow.

00:38:50.700 Um, so yeah, it, it was, it was a reaction on what happened.

00:38:55.700 Because I was like, okay, I've been, I've been silenced three times.

00:38:59.700 The third, the third thing I cannot talk about, um, because there, there's some, you know,

00:39:03.700 legal things going on, but, um, three times being silenced.

00:39:07.700 And I was like, okay, if I go into academia again, I will be silenced again.

00:39:11.700 So I needed to be independent in order to say what I'm saying now publicly on Twitter or in shows like yours.

00:39:17.700 Um, otherwise I would have had to have to silence myself again.

00:39:21.700 This is not a solution.

00:39:22.700 This in these times.

00:39:23.700 Yeah.

00:39:24.700 Sounds extremely stifling, but Simon, I wanted, want to thank you for coming on the show and sharing your insights.

00:39:30.700 I've been wanting to have you on the show for a, for a while.

00:39:33.700 Uh, but obviously I couldn't track you down because you were not on Twitter or you were suspended from Twitter.

00:39:38.700 But it's good to have you back on Twitter and sharing your views and your insights and calling out, uh, the BS, um, whenever, wherever you see it.

00:39:48.700 Um, and, uh, really appreciate you being on the show, Simon, and good luck with your lawsuit.

00:39:53.700 And, uh, yeah, and I hope that, uh, you'll be back on the show, uh, soon to talk about, uh, all of the progress that you've made.

00:40:02.700 Okay.

00:40:03.700 Thanks for having me.

00:40:04.700 Yeah.

00:40:05.700 Thanks Simon.

00:40:06.700 Take care.

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Juno News - August 12, 2023

Cancelled for challenging the “science”

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