Cancelling Bryan Adams
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Coming up, the growing movement to cancel a Canadian icon, how Elections Canada are targeting pro-life activists, and why does Peter McKay not want to talk to Conservatives? The Andrew Lawton Show starts right now, and it's a jam-packed episode.
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This is The Andrew Lawton Show, brought to you by True North.
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Coming up, the growing movement to cancel a Canadian icon,
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how elections bureaucrats are targeting pro-life activists,
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and why does Peter McKay not want to talk to Conservatives.
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Hey, welcome along one and all to another edition of The Andrew Lawton Show,
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Canada's Most Irreverent Talk Show here on True North.
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We'll be talking about Elections Canada's targeting of a pro-life political action group
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and why it's such an unfair and imbalanced way of approaching any of these things
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I'm also going to be talking later on in the program about Peter McKay's avoidance of independent media,
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and I think this is an important one that cannot go without being called out.
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So we're going to be talking about that later on in the show as well.
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I have no strong opinions, or at least until now,
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had no strong opinions on Bryan Adams one way or another.
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It was a girl I was dating in high school whose mother was a big Bryan Adams fan
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and bought us tickets, and the three of us went,
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which is like a perfect date to go out with your high school girlfriend and her mother.
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I enjoyed it, and, you know, I enjoy some of his songs.
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But I've had no strong opinions of him one way or another.
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But I know he's one of these people that Canadians like to claim.
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But now, like, the entire Canadian left in media is wanting to disown Bryan Adams
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because he is guilty of thought crimes for an Instagram post he put up on the weekend.
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Tonight was supposed to be the beginning of a tenancy of gigs at the Royal Albert Hall.
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But thanks to some effing, bat-eating, wet-market, animal-selling, virus-making, greedy bastards,
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the whole world is now on hold, not to mention the thousands that have suffered or died from this virus.
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My message to them, other than thanks a blanking lot, is go vegan.
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To all the people missing out on our shows, I wish I could be there more than you know.
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It's been great hanging out in isolation, yada, yada, yada.
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He also tweeted a link to the Instagram post and had most of the text in the tweet.
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And he talked about nothing political in the song.
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In the video itself, he just sang Cuts Like a Knife, the great Bryan Adams classic.
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And what was fascinating about this is that how many people took this and called it a toxic rant,
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And this I found to be quite interesting because he was literally taking aim at meat more than he was taking aim at China.
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And all of the people who look at this and say it's racist, I think are actually projecting something on there.
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If you take racism, you're the one making a racial connotation there.
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Now, Bryan Adams being a vegan, like vegans are generally speaking not the most adept at avoiding offending others.
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Like vegans love to just like railroad their veganism down everyone's throats, whether you ordered it or not.
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And Bryan Adams, I didn't actually know he was a vegan.
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Like I said, I had no strong opinions on him one way or another.
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But when I read this and he says literally in it, go vegan, I'm like, OK, so he just doesn't like the idea that this is something that was animal born, that humans ate.
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When you go back to that whole early narrative that this might have come from a big steaming bowl of bat soup.
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And this now has become this cultural linchpin where if you criticize bat soup, if you criticize eating bat, you're seen as racist.
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Where all the early narrative in this was that, yeah, it probably came from one of these markets.
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Now, we have no idea whether it was because someone ate it or whether it was someone that worked at the lab that was studying the virus that then spread it by going to a wet market.
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But regardless of where the virus came from, these Chinese wet markets are just absolutely horrendous place.
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It's not like the Asian grocery store you frequent in Toronto, in Vancouver, in Ottawa.
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These wet markets are selling live animals that are kept in horrendous conditions.
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And they're there for one purpose and one purpose alone.
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And that is for people to just buy and consume.
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I think animals need to be treated with some semblance of dignity, even if we are going to be eating them.
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I don't think that's an improper way of looking at this.
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But to stand up for animal welfare is always virtuous.
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The left loves animals more than people sometimes.
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But when Brian Adams takes aim, or when anyone takes aim at the wet market, it's racist.
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And it takes a stunning level of dissonance to have moved from, you know, standing up for animals is virtuous to now it's racist.
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Because it's more important for us to appease this very small subset of the Chinese population that thinks, you know, you can just eat bats and keep them in cages and breed for the purposes of that and have them stacked on each other and not, you know, vaccinate animals and stuff like that.
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The very small subset of the population that's responsible for these wet markets, we need to appease them.
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And now Brian Adams, who's just, you know, going through his life thinking that, yeah, anywhere that sells food like this is bad.
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And he would probably take aim at Costco for selling discount steaks, not just Chinese wet markets.
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Even though ethnicity was not mentioned, race was not mentioned, a country was not mentioned.
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He was literally talking about a behavior that he objects to, which has nothing to do with race.
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And by the way, all of the Chinese people that have been saying for months now, oh, bat soup, that's not us.
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I mean, they're actually endorsing what he's saying here, which is that the behavior is the problem, not the race of people, not the nationality.
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But what was so disgusting is that Brian Adams was not just given the slap on the wrist.
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It was literally an orchestrated effort to cancel Brian Adams, starting as this thing was getting viral.
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Just as quickly were tweets saying, I think the hashtag was Brian Adams is canceled.
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People trying to get his Order of Canada revoked by, in one case, tagging Governor General Julie Payette,
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as though she's just monitoring Twitter, waiting for, like, nominations for who to de-order of Canada.
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People trying to get all of these sponsors that he may have worked with to drop.
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They don't just want to say, hey, that was wrong and I disagree.
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They want to destroy everything you've ever done and everything you ever will do.
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But the goal, nevertheless, was to destroy him.
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The goal was to make it so that this guy is no longer going to be held up as a Canadian icon.
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Where Brian Adams, instead of being synonymous with everything I do, I do it for you,
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or Summer of 69, will instead be aligned with racism and bigotry.
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That is the line that people were trying to draw.
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You know, you get whether Brian Adams himself or a publicity team, I don't know, responding
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On Tuesday, Brian Adams posted another song and he had said that there's no excuse.
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I just wanted to have a rant about the horrible animal cruelty in these wet markets being the
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possible source of the virus and promote veganism.
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I have love for all my people and my thoughts are with everyone dealing with this pandemic
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Now, given that the one had like two effings and the second had no effings, it stands to
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So even his apology and saying, listen, it's nothing to do with racism.
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So the social media mob is never going to be happy.
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But more importantly, we shouldn't be capitulating to this idea that criticizing a bad practice
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that happens to exist in another country is inherently racist because that isn't the case.
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And we set ourselves up for a lot of problems down the road if that's the path that we want
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But I think that it's so very important for people to not fall into these traps.
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And I know with celebrities, the instinct, especially from people on the right, is to say, oh, who
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But at the same time, people on the right tend to just seize any time a celebrity says something
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So, you know, when Robert De Niro or Meryl Streep or Kanye, not Kanye West, I'll get
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When, you know, Meryl Streep, I've lost knowledge of all celebrities now.
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But whenever these celebrities mouth off about whatever, the right always says, oh, who cares?
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And then the second Kanye or Tim Allen or, you know, maybe Bryan Adams, who knows, says
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It's all of a sudden, oh, listen to what Kanye had to say.
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And you set yourself up for failure if you put too much stock in what celebrities think.
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I think if they say something worth listening to, I'll listen to it.
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But I'm not going to hold one up as being the oracle of all that makes sense in the world.
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And similarly, I'm not going to boycott someone's movies or music because they're a bit nutty
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So yeah, I'll defend Bryan Adams against the mob.
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But that's not because I think that he is this virtue of, you know, beacon or fountain
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It's just because he said something that's sensible or at absolute worst, banal,
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and irrelevant, but not evil, not racist, not worth all of the media coverage, by the
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Like CBC's story, he's drawn rebuke from a Chinese Canadian organization and social media
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users or a CTV story focused on an anti-racism group's response to Bryan Adams.
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And all of these stories that are based around not the depravity of the wet markets, but Bryan
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I don't think we're talking about a guy here who's actually going to lose something.
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And in fact, he's at that age where, and that point in his career where I think it's probably
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By the way, I mean, Ozzy Osbourne was criticized for eating bats, and that was all fine.
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But you can't criticize people in a Chinese wet market for having a bowl of bat soup,
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The good news with the mob is that people will forget about this in all of like four
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But by then, they'll move on to whoever the next victim of the mob is.
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But it is fascinating to me that all it takes, all it takes is a bunch of no-name, numbered
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Twitter accounts without avatars to start saying the word racist, and you've got dozens
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And the reaction story is probably one of the laziest forms of journalism imaginable,
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It's just looking on Twitter and saying, oh, so-and-so is saying this.
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And it's not about whether the criticisms have merit.
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It's not about whether Brian Adams is actually racist, which no one has been able to present
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And then for all of this, for all of this, we in society lose out because it creates this
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culture, this toxic cancel culture, where it's not just where cancellation is a byproduct
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When I logged on to Twitter and I saw Brian Adams is cancelled, trending, and you click
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on that, and it's people that are trying to destroy him.
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People who love his music, they have his albums, maybe they've been to the concerts, and they
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say, oh, no, I guess we can't like him anymore.
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And I'm sorry, but if we're going to start turning on celebrities for being vegans, we're
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going to leave a lot of them that we're no longer able to listen to, including Pamela
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Anderson, and I don't know who the other ones are, but that's the most notable vegan, I
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And for people, it's like, listen, you've got to separate the personal from the political,
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and I'm just going to listen to the song, Cuts Like a Knife, because it's a good song.
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We'll be back in a couple of moments with more of The Andrew Lawton Show here on True
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So if you've ever volunteered on a political campaign, you know that volunteers are the
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I mean, as someone who's run for office, I can tell you firsthand, even though I didn't
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win, you don't get anywhere without volunteers.
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And when people talk about their frustrations with the politicians that are representing them,
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the big question is, okay, what have you done about it?
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And there's a fantastic group in Canada called Right Now, which has done exactly that.
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It's made by two pro-lifers, Alyssa Golob and Scott Hayward, who, and I've known both of
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them for years, frustrated that pro-lifers weren't really moving the goalposts down the
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road and having more people represented in politics and in parliament.
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So they said, let's connect volunteers with pro-life candidates, pro-life volunteers with
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And I, in the interest of disclosure, had support from Right Now volunteers when I ran for office
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But the fact of the matter is they are now being targeted by the Commissioner of Canada
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Elections for possibly violating election law for helping candidates in the federal election
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We haven't heard of anything like this being directed towards the many left-wing groups like
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labor unions, for example, that were doing very similar things for left-wing parties.
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Scott Hayward, one of the co-founders of Right Now, joins me on the line now.
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The third party rules, I know, changed the way that a lot of organizations had to navigate
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Yeah, so the amendments to the Canada Elections Act came in basically to detail under the last
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So we are already actually involved in getting ready and getting volunteers ready to actually
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participate in the 43rd general federal election when the legislation came in.
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So we took a look at it to make sure that we were in compliance of it.
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And, I mean, we don't know what the allegation says.
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Elections Canada won't reveal that to us or who made the allegation or the basis of the
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But what little we know from Elections Canada is that the allegation essentially states that
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we violated the Canada Elections Act by providing volunteers to pro-life candidates, winnable
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So the main crux of the issue, I suppose, is that within the Canada Elections Act, it
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says that a registered third party cannot provide non-monetary contributions to political parties
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But back in the summer, when I took a look at the new legislation, it specifically said
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under the definition of non-monetary contributions that volunteers were excluded from that definition,
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meaning that a third party could provide volunteers to, you know, candidates.
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And so I reached out to Elections Canada back in the summer of 2019 to make sure that this
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They didn't give me a definitive answer, but it heavily indicated that it should be all
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It seemed to be okay by reading the legislation for what it is.
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It seemed to be okay by reading through their 70-whatever-page guide for registered third parties.
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And so we were quite surprised when we received the letter in mid-February.
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And knowing that a lot of other organizations out there, such as a number of unions, were
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engaging in same or similar things, we were, you know, quite surprised that we received
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that letter and that they were investigating us.
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And I think that the two real points of offense here, not only that you're being investigated
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for just engaging in the political process, but that you have to defend yourself against
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So I know that this letter I read in the National Post has compelled you to produce documentation.
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Well, how do you even know what they're looking for if you're not seeing the scope of the
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So to give a bit of a timeline to everyone out there, we received a letter in mid-February
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from Elections Canada saying that these allegations were made and that they'd be opening up an
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And the conclusion of that investigation could include monetary penalties against right
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So they were asking for documentation on the allegation.
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So we can provide the documentation to defend ourselves against the allegation.
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Also, are you looking into these other organizations, such as a number of unions that are basically
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And often cases went above and beyond what we did in terms of providing, you know, in terms
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of providing support to a variety of candidates across the country.
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I mean, Elections Canada got back to us, you know, late April, basically reiterating the
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And then we got back to them the next day with the same kind of the same answer, saying
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we're happy to cooperate, but we're needing to know, you know, what the allegation is, who
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made the allegation and the basis of the allegation before we know what to provide you.
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Because we're not just going to give carte blanche to an outside organization of everything
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And I know that Ezra Levant is facing something very similar, where he sat down with investigators
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and had no idea what it is they were actually looking for.
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And I know other people have had similar frustrations with this investigative body.
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I have to ask you, when they are investigating you, and you may not know the answer to this,
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but is this just them checking off their box because they got a complaint?
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Or do they have the ability to say, when they receive a complaint, this is a nuisance, we're
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I don't know if Elections Canada has the ability to, whether or not to decide they're going to
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pursue an investigation when an allegation is made by an individual or by another registered
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It seems to me by reading the letter that it was a decision of the commissioner to pursue
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So I'm thinking there is a little bit of leeway there, but I don't 100% know the answer.
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What is the impact if something like this proceeds in your view?
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Because I know that there could be by-elections coming up, there could be another election at
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And for any group, not just yours, how do you take what's happening?
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Yeah, well, that's a very good question because I think there's two different sets of what impacts
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There's internally for our organization what the impact will be, and there's externally for
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So internally for our organization, we're small, but we're mighty.
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The reason why we have two people on staff is because that's all we can afford.
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But we're an organization that brings in just over $200,000 a year.
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So internally, what this impact will have on us is making sure that we have good legal counsel.
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I'm not a lawyer, nor is my colleague, the other co-founder.
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And if you want good legal counsel, that does come with a bit of a price, which is fair
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And if there are any monetary penalties set against us, we'll decide what to do at that
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point when, if it comes to that, you know, there comes a real cost with that.
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Externally, if the decision by Elections Canada is that we are, in fact, in contravention of
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the act, which I don't know how, given how the act is written, it will have a chilling effect.
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I think it will have a chilling effect on not just our organization, other pro-life organizations,
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but other organizations who might be pro-abortion, other organizations that specifically only
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So it could be unions supporting, you know, liberals and NDP candidates or environmental
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It could have a chilling effect right across Canada as to whether or not people actually
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want to engage in the political process by knocking on doors for, you know, candidates
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that support their values and support policies that they like.
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And I think that's a very dangerous road to go down in a democracy.
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And it quickly leads to a country, you know, not really being a full democracy.
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So I think it does have some quite, it could have some quite significant negative impacts,
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And I obviously don't want to downplay the financial toll that this could take.
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And I mean, just by virtue of fighting, it will take on right now.
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But I think that the bigger point here, and I think you've touched on that very well, is
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I mean, worse than you having to fundraise to pay a penalty is you not being able to do
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Yeah, and we'll go down that road if it comes to it.
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So it's really an Elections Canada court right now as to what they're going to do with this.
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I would not be surprised if they do come down with penalties and say, well, you were in
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I don't understand how any organization out there, whether they be a union, whether they
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be pro-abortion, pro-life, an environmental group, the Canadian Taxpayers Federation, firearms
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groups, I don't understand how any of our organizations can get involved politically.
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And if our organizations, who represent the interests of hundreds of thousands, if not
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millions of Canadians, can get involved in the political process, then our democratic
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function as a country is really, really going to go downhill, I think.
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Well, and the fact that the Act, as you understand it, specifically excludes volunteers is the most
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There seems to be an understanding with this that volunteers are the backbone of elections.
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And that's why if someone volunteers on a campaign, it isn't something that's an in-kind
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So the idea of even if a group's facilitating it, I don't think it is changing it that much.
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I know that with my campaign and with other campaigns I've seen, it's not all that uncommon
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for a group from a church or from some community organization all band together and say, hey, we're
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Like you said, Andrew, ask any candidate, regardless of political party who's ran for
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public office, how much they rely on volunteers, specifically volunteers from various organizations
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That those candidates represent those values and represents those policy positions that
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Again, whether it's a Conservative Party of Canada, Canada, Liberal Party of Canada, Canada,
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They do, to a large extent, rely on a variety of groups and issue-based organizations out there
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to provide volunteers for their campaigns in order for them to seek and win public office.
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So what's the timeline that you have on this now, the next steps in this process with the
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They said in their letter to us, dated the day before April 22nd, that they give us two
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And we sent a letter back the next day saying we'd like to cooperate, but in order for us
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to cooperate, we need to know what we're cooperating with.
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And we haven't heard back from Elections Canada.
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I don't think there's any timeline that's laid out in the Act or in the regulations to
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So we're really in a dark place in that regard for the timeline.
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Now, would your ideal scenario here be that they just kind of rip up the letters, rip up
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Or are you looking for a fight just to kind of make that point that what you do and what
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groups like you do is not only important, but really essential to the political process?
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I think that if they interpret the Act objectively and reasonably, the way it is written in the
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spirit of it, that this case would be closed already.
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And I think that would probably be the best thing, both internally and externally.
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The media, such as yourself and others, are already picking up on it.
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And if they don't pursue the case, then obviously that would be an indication that the type
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of activities that we and other organizations out there they're engaging in are within the
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confines of the Act, that we're operating legally within the Act.
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And that's probably the easiest, quickest, cleanest way for everyone to move forward here.
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And just to be clear, there's no advertising component of this, as far as you know, because
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that was the area of the third party rules that most people were focused on.
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And certainly that was the area that I was paying attention to when we saw the rules come out in
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Yeah, the big thing for creating the whole point of registered third parties for general federal
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elections were with advertising, for advertising, whether it be on Facebook, TV, newspapers,
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Our organization didn't engage in any advertising in the rip period.
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But there was a bunch of other things that we had to declare.
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And we didn't spend a whole lot of money on the election.
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It was quite cumbersome to do the reports, to file the reports, to go through the reports,
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to go through the Act, to go through the Guide, which was more confusing than helpful.
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And I say that as a chartered professional accountant, by the way.
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But it's quite cumbersome for a lot of groups to go through all these, you know, bureaucratic
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loops to just engage in the political process on behalf of the hundreds of thousands of
00:28:10.580
So, yeah, it's interesting for the advertising, because that's, to me, seemingly why all this
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But the side effect of it is that it affects quite a few different organizations out there
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that aren't really that interested in advertising when it comes to getting involved in federal
00:28:29.120
Now, I know that you don't just deal with elections, general and by-elections, but also internal
00:28:36.940
I just, before we wrap up here, you're involved in the conservative leadership race through
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If you want to give a plug to how people can find your information, I know a lot would
00:28:49.880
So, with the Conservative Party of Canada leadership race, obviously one needs to be a member of
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the party, which costs $15, and they have until May 15th, so a couple of days here until
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So, I encourage all pro-lifers out there, whether you normally vote for the Conservatives in
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an election or not, to get involved, to make sure that the pro-life candidates who are running
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for the leadership race actually win, because that's the only way to vote for them.
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We have a tab there called CPC Leadership 2020.
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It has all the information there for the leadership race, timelines, how it works, how the point
00:29:30.760
But a cool thing that I think that we do is that we interview all the candidates, or at least
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the ones that are willing to talk to us, for the leadership race, and we interview them
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on kind of, you know, a little bit of personal stuff about them individually, but also, you
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know, what they plan to do for our pro-life issues, so their pro-life platform and policies.
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We have on their voting records from their time as a member of parliament, or a member
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of provincial parliament, or whatever provincial legislature they've sat in, as well as their
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You know, how many caucus members do they have supporting them?
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Have they been a, have a parliamentary leadership role, like a cabinet minister or speaker of
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You know, how big is their social media following?
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So, we have all that together, and we weight it together, have a little score system, come
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up with a score, and come up with a recommended ranked ballot, because it's a ranked ballot
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So, if you want more information on that and how to get involved, that's the place to go.
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Co-founder of Right Now, Scott Hayward, joining me on the line.
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And best of luck fighting against the bureaucrats in this, which is an important fight.
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I think all groups and individuals that want to engage in the political process, this affects.
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So, thank you very much, and all the best to you, Scott.
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I will say, and I've talked about Right Now in the past, an organization that is really
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driven by results, which I think is very important.
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And if you aren't pro-life, I think you have to respect the way that they're engaging and
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Because a lot of the time, people focus on the leaders of the parties, which is obviously
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And they have to respond to where their caucus is.
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So, you have to create a climate, not just culturally, which is what we do here at True
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North and in the media and other stuff like that, but even just that infrastructure as
00:31:25.740
Andrew Scheer had a press conference, I think it was on Monday, when I asked about this and
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got what I thought was a very solid answer from Andrew Scheer about this investigation
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Right Now, a pro-life activist group is being investigated by the Commissioner of Canada
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election after connecting volunteers with close to 50 pro-life candidates in the last
00:31:56.680
Anytime grassroots organizations who support particular positions or candidates are, obviously
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we're very concerned about any type of negative signal that sends to people who are trying
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to be engaged in the electoral process and volunteering in elections campaigns.
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I would be curious to know whether or not Elections Canada is also going to investigate Unifor,
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a large union which specifically targeted defeating Conservatives, whether or not they are going
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to be investigating other groups like Lead Now and other groups who have made their priority
00:32:35.100
very well known, their express purpose of their activities to defeat Conservatives and elect Liberals.
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So I look forward to Elections Canada showing that kind of fairness and applying the same logic to all groups.
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Yeah, Scheer made the point there that I think is an essential one, which is where's the investigation into Unifor?
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And by the way, I don't think the elections bureaucrats should be investigating Lead Now or should be investigating Unifor.
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But the point is, if we're talking about groups that are supposedly giving a non-monetary contribution,
00:33:15.460
how about Unifor declaring itself the resistance to Andrew Scheer?
00:33:20.120
How about Unifor declaring itself a group that was going to fight tooth and nail to defeat Conservatives?
00:33:26.200
Not even just to advance an idea, but to defeat a specific party, a specific leader.
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And I mean, whether Unifor succeeded or not, I don't know.
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But ultimately, that was what they set out to do.
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And by the way, ask anyone who's a member of Unifor,
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employees across the country who were getting politically charged, anti-conservative material sent to them.
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I don't know if it was every single member of Unifor, but certainly in many sectors,
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But I don't like the weaponization of these elections agencies
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to only target groups that are the ideological opponents of the left,
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which is what seems to be happening here with right now
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and with the investigation into Ezra Levant for writing a book, The Lebranos.
00:34:15.420
When, just like what Scott Hayward said about volunteers being excluded from this,
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Books and book marketing were excluded from the ban on advertising.
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So thanks very much again to Scott for coming on.
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We'll be back in a couple of moments with more of The Andrew Lawton Show,
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And as mentioned earlier on in the show, in just two days,
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if you're listening to this the day it comes out,
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the membership cutoff to join the Conservative Party
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Obviously, we're philosophically and ideologically conservative,
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particularly those of a Conservative persuasion.
00:35:27.400
The poll that came out from Main Street via iPolitics
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He's the first choice for more people than anyone else.
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But it looks like Aaron O'Toole would win on the second ballot
00:35:41.600
because of the support from Leslie Lewis and Derek Sloan
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when most of those people are going to be putting O'Toole
00:35:55.460
Like 14 candidates by the time of the final ballot,
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But what I will say is incredibly, incredibly relevant here
00:36:18.600
is positioning himself as being the natural successor
00:36:21.700
for down-ballot support from Leslie Lewis and Derek Sloan,
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which means if Lewis and Sloan are able to do fairly well
00:36:29.240
in signing up new members and getting support from members,
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because of Brad Trost and Pierre Lemieux's support,
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He's made no overtures to that wing of the party.
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Now, I have been deliberately keeping my mouth shut
00:37:17.360
is you talk about the things that you're feeling
00:37:19.640
and thinking and your analysis and all of this stuff.
00:37:22.860
And I've actually been a little bit restrained.
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I set out for the conservative leadership series
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I did not have a first choice, a second choice.
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you know, 45 minutes on abortion and gay marriage
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when conservative members are actually concerned
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but it's also not meant to be a combat session.
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and they unfortunately didn't make the final ballot.
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we started making a headway with campaigns saying,