Juno News - Carney backs down from Trump AGAIN

00:00:00.000 Well, Prime Minister Carney says his government plans to strengthen Canadian laws

00:00:10.880 against the importation of goods produced using forced labor. This comes after the U.S. proposed

00:00:18.520 a 10% tariff on Canadian goods over Canada's failure to stop the practice.

00:00:24.720 The issue, the motivation of the U.S. action, the 301 tariffs against, or proposed tariffs

00:00:31.540 against a variety of countries, is something that we share.

00:00:35.240 Canada has a very strong legislative regime against forced labour in supply chains.

00:00:41.780 We don't want any element of forced labour coming in goods and services, and we want

00:00:46.620 to use our influence to eliminate this practice of forced labour and child labour.

00:00:52.940 We have been preparing ways to reinforce the regime that we have.

00:00:58.260 We made some changes earlier this year on things that, candidly, were not as effective.

00:01:02.340 So there's ways we can change things legislatively.

00:01:04.800 We'll be proposing that to the House in the coming weeks before the House rises, is our intention.

00:01:11.700 Canada is one of 60 countries facing the new tariffs, including Mexico and China.

00:01:16.720 Now, meantime, the Canada-US trade minister says there's no truth to reports that trade

00:01:23.940 talks with the Americans are frozen.

00:01:26.100 You know, now that you're talking to Greer and you're making concrete proposals and putting

00:01:31.320 that on the table, are talks now unfrozen?

00:01:33.960 And in that vein, how soon are we going to start having these more sort of formal USMCA

00:01:39.040 discussions, you know, as the Americans are having with the Mexicans?

00:01:42.800 How soon until Canada either joins that table or has its own separate table with the Americans doing the same thing?

00:01:48.780 So the first part of your second question was, are the talks unfrozen?

00:01:53.660 The answer is yes.

00:01:54.960 They've been unfrozen for a number of months.

00:01:58.280 When I was here in March and had a face-to-face meeting with Ambassador Greer,

00:02:04.200 I think I said at that time that we should consider that the pause of October is behind us.

00:02:12.800 Canada has no plans to expel the U.S. ambassador for reposting a tweet calling for Canada to become

00:02:19.360 the 51st state. President Trump posted the words 51st state in response to word that Canada slipped

00:02:27.040 into recession, the only G7 country to do so. The U.S. president is once again making his 51st state

00:02:35.120 jab and the U.S. ambassador to Canada reshared it. Is this an ambassador that Canada can work

00:02:42.720 with or is it time to ask him to leave? The short answer is no to the second part of your question

00:02:52.880 and it's an administration that we have to work with. It's our biggest trading relationship.

00:02:58.560 It's our biggest security relationship. Many other relationships and we work with that

00:03:02.960 administration we take the administration as it is our guest today is writer dimpy brar whose work

00:03:09.520 you can find in the pages of the federalist the spectator and the western standard welcome once

00:03:15.200 again dimpy thank you so much for having me mr petroni always a pleasure well the carny government

00:03:21.200 has some problems as you well know now that it's under pressure from people like jameson

00:03:27.600 Greer, the trade rep for the United States, to deal with issues around the importation of goods

00:03:32.940 produced by forced labor, okay? And so the main culprit of that forced labor is China. The problem

00:03:41.420 is Carney's stated goal is to strengthen its trade ties with China, which doesn't even acknowledge

00:03:49.180 the fact that it operates these forced labor camps. So maybe you can encapsulate how you see

00:03:56.860 this issue for the Carney government around trade? Well, I think it's fundamentally comes

00:04:03.100 down to the same problem that we've seen over and over and over again. The Carney government

00:04:07.540 either doesn't know or doesn't want to acknowledge the fact that USMCA tariff negotiations are not

00:04:15.300 an economic issue. It's barely even geopolitics. It's really moral and civilizational. The question

00:04:21.700 that's being put before the Canadian people is very simple. Are we still a part of Western

00:04:27.100 civilization alongside our freedom-loving friends in the United States, or are we turning towards 0.98

00:04:32.660 a kind of Chinese despotism in which you accurately describe they embrace slavery for their way of 0.82

00:04:39.980 economic growth? Now, Mr. Carney's government has not acknowledged this fact yet, but it's quite 0.91

00:04:46.680 clear not only with Mr. Greer's recent comments about forced labor, of course he's talking about

00:04:52.260 China, but as well as the most recent announcement coming out of the Mackinac conference, which was

00:04:59.140 that two Democrats, one Congresswoman, both from Michigan, one is Congresswoman Haley Stevens,

00:05:05.920 and the other is Senator Elise Slotkin. They are planning on introducing an act which is going to

00:05:12.300 protect and preserve American automakers and manufacturers from Chinese EVs. And it is to 0.98

00:05:19.760 our eternal shame that they actually explicitly named Canada as a problem. They noted the fact

00:05:26.340 that Mr. Carney has signed a deal with the Communist Party of China that will allow for

00:05:31.780 the unfettered access of Chinese EVs in Canada, which again will become a method or a route just

00:05:40.540 into the American market. The Americans are, of course, not going to allow this. And again,

00:05:46.400 I might add, Mr. Carney and his Liberal Party seem to be under the delusion, as did our Ontario

00:05:53.300 Conservative Premier Doug Ford, that a change in government through the midterms might change the

00:05:59.100 position of the United States towards these Chinese EVs and Chinese trade deals. But it looks

00:06:04.220 to be the exact opposite. There is actually bipartisan support in the United States now

00:06:09.340 against countering china in north america this is something that is going to outlast and outlive

00:06:15.800 president donald trump's time in office and it's something that the canadian government

00:06:20.540 needs to adopt and adapt to yeah i mean canada also has a secret policing agreement with china

00:06:27.400 of course we don't know anything about it and when carney was asked to elaborate well we don't do

00:06:32.100 that sort of thing that's not the way we run things and so you know it's with that backdrop

00:06:37.180 backdrop, under that backdrop, that we're trying to establish closer ties with them. And yet,

00:06:43.420 we're also trying to cut a deal with the Americans who say, hey, you know, there are issues around

00:06:48.660 forced labor. You're importing goods from nations that use forced labor, slave labor,

00:06:55.760 if you want to call it. But China has no interest in being lectured by Canada, but it's 0.81

00:07:00.000 humanitarian abuses. And so, you know, this is a very tangled web that the Kearney government has

00:07:07.840 been weaving. You know, I understand that they want to poke the bear, the United States,

00:07:15.500 on one hand and yet want to deal with them on the other. So it just seems like a lot of what

00:07:21.640 they do is at cross purposes. And so here we are now, again, facing the quandary of whether to

00:07:30.880 cozy up with a country like China and knowing full well about its labor practices, while on the 0.64

00:07:40.060 other hand, trying to deal with the Americans. And so it's like oil and water here. You can't do 0.78

00:07:46.760 both at the end of the day. I think you've got to choose, don't you? Well, we not only have to

00:07:51.680 choose, but the choice is going to be quickly made for us at this point. Both China and America 0.75

00:07:57.760 understand one thing, which is that Canada's advantage and benefit is the fact that it has

00:08:03.560 access to the American market. Insofar as Canada has access to the American market and American

00:08:09.480 intelligence and American military, it is an advantage to China. But if the Americans were

00:08:16.400 to, let's say, cut off all trade or seal the border, God forbid, there would be no reason

00:08:22.660 for the Chinese to show interest in us either. And this is really another failure of the 0.74

00:08:28.380 Carney government and the Liberal Party, broadly speaking. You see, the Liberal Party has always

00:08:33.620 felt that they cannot distinguish really between friends and enemies, that you can somehow falsely

00:08:39.040 equivocate between China and the United States, that they're just economic units to be traded

00:08:44.380 with. Well, that is simply not the case anymore. The United States, regardless of what you think

00:08:50.080 of their president, is our longstanding friend, and it will remain so because of geographic

00:08:55.980 blessing and providence until the end of time. This is something that will never change and

00:09:01.960 ought not to change. However, for the Chinese, we must remember that they look at economics 0.96

00:09:08.500 as another means of warfare. We've heard the Clausewitz saying that war is just politics by 1.00

00:09:15.680 other means. Well, for China, commerce is war by other means, and that is their intention with 0.98

00:09:21.840 Canada. Not only do we not know what's in these exchange or security agreements, we are still 0.94

00:09:28.200 unaware of exactly what we have promised to the Chinese government in exchange for opening up

00:09:35.000 ever so slightly, some trade negotiations. And again, I must add, poking at Donald Trump is not

00:09:43.320 going to work. And we've seen it already in the last two weeks. The announcement of a technical

00:09:49.100 recession has been quite clarifying for the Carney government, as well as for Mr. Ford.

00:09:55.280 We've seen a major shift in tone, extremely conciliatory. And even in response to the 51st

00:10:02.220 state tweet that came out a couple of days ago, if you notice, Mr. Carney did not push back.

00:10:08.340 He just accepted it and almost resigned himself to this fact. He understands that we are now

00:10:14.840 negotiating from a total position of weakness. We have no leverage when the nation has put itself

00:10:22.160 into a technical recession and put itself into the state of dependency rather than independence,

00:10:29.540 which Mr. Carney initially promised his voters.

00:10:32.840 Yeah, I mean, you can't wrap yourself into knots

00:10:35.640 every time Trump posts something like 51st State.

00:10:40.040 You know, he does it, you accept it, you move on.

00:10:43.320 I mean, he has the right to express his opinion,

00:10:45.660 which, as we all know, he does it in an uncompromising way.

00:10:50.800 And you can either choose to get triggered by it

00:10:53.820 and comment about it and demand he retract it,

00:10:57.000 or you can just move on, which I think is the smartest thing to do. I mean, the less time and

00:11:03.980 energy you spend focused on that, the better, in my view. I mean, that's my take on it. So

00:11:10.900 if they've taken the approach now that, okay, well, Trump's going to post and that's life,

00:11:16.640 you know, being America's neighbor and friend, let's just deal with it and move on.

00:11:22.760 What do you think?

00:11:23.800 I also I just think that actually Mr. Trump was making a joke and it was at Mr. Carney's expense, which was here is a man who spent the last year insisting that we will never become the 51st state.

00:11:37.120 We would never find ourselves in such a position.

00:11:40.100 And now you're telling me that we've entered a technical recession, which, by the way, what is a technical recession?

00:11:46.640 It's like being technically pregnant.

00:11:48.540 You either are or you aren't. 0.58

00:11:50.120 There is really no in-between here. Once you've entered that recession, all that talk of not

00:11:56.660 wanting to be the 51st state, and the joke is really on Mr. Carney because he and his liberal

00:12:03.020 predecessors, because this is a party platform that predates Mr. Carney as well as finds its

00:12:09.800 culmination in Mr. Carney, is responsible for driving this nation into a self-imposed recession.

00:12:17.860 I have heard horror stories about the impacts of net zero and this climate fanaticism on our manufacturing and business sectors.

00:12:27.760 And let's make it very clear. Economic security and prosperity is a national security issue.

00:12:33.880 So kneecapping ourselves through this climate fanaticism, which is by its very nature anti-prosperity because they hate capitalism and they hate to see the West prosper, especially, has been largely responsible for gutting our manufacturing, our energy industry sectors.

00:12:53.460 And it's all by choice. We did this to ourselves. We never needed Mr. Trump to pull the trigger.

00:12:59.840 Yeah, I mean, China intends to use Canada as a base of operations and has been to target America.

00:13:06.520 And the Americans know it. 0.91

00:13:08.140 Your point earlier about those two Congress people, people in Congress in Michigan, saying, you know, we don't want those Chinese EVs here. 0.97

00:13:17.580 That's the dynamic of what's going on here. 0.95

00:13:20.380 China is interested in Canada as a place that they can essentially continue to infiltrate, 0.93

00:13:29.120 increase its tentacles into our economy, into our politics, everything, with an aim towards 0.93

00:13:39.380 targeting the United States, which is its biggest rival by far, you know. And so the Americans are 0.69

00:13:45.260 not stupid. They can see what's going on. And here we are, kind of, the rest of us, kind of caught in 0.99

00:13:50.800 the middle. Like, what's our government really doing here? What are they thinking? This is a

00:13:55.320 very precarious and dangerous state of affairs for us to be in, posing up to China, trying to 1.00

00:14:01.440 negotiate a deal with the Americans, you know, being used as a staging ground for Chinese

00:14:07.740 operations against the Americans while trying to continue our security ties with with the United

00:14:16.180 States. I mean, this is just chaos as I see it. What do you think? It's an absolute contradiction

00:14:24.080 and both you cannot have it both ways, which is precisely what the Liberal Party of Canada

00:14:29.460 seems to think that they are going to do. I will just point out to you that in this

00:14:35.540 announcement by these two Democrats, when they cite the dangers of these EVs, they're citing

00:14:42.560 it as a security risk. They called it, quote, tick tock on wheels. And if this is a threat to people

00:14:49.240 in Michigan, if it's a threat to American labor and their wages, and if it's a threat to the

00:14:56.740 security of those towns and cities across the United States, why would it not be the same for 0.74

00:15:02.880 canada you know it is a serious advantage to the chinese communist party that america and canada

00:15:11.440 not be friendly towards each other that there be a wedge that separates us that we are divided 0.75

00:15:17.200 between us that is to their advantage so our enemies are actually loving this when in reality

00:15:23.840 a fortress north america in which canada and the united states actually increases its economic

00:15:31.680 dependencies on each other, as well as its mutual security, would be something that could make this

00:15:39.120 continent be the shining city on a hill against Chinese despotism on this continent. There is a

00:15:47.520 real promise and hope and vision for the future in which Canada and the United States becomes the

00:15:53.320 most important civilizational friendship in the free world. That is what we should be pushing

00:15:59.880 towards not a separation and as i like to say and i've said it before i'll say it again

00:16:05.220 the canadian electorate may have voted in favor of diversifying its trade from the united states

00:16:11.760 but it never voted for divorce and that is what the liberal party up until about last week

00:16:17.840 has essentially been pushing towards yeah what i see just getting back to china is

00:16:25.620 that that country is driving a wedge, really, between Canada and the United States.

00:16:30.900 They see what's going on. They see the acrimony. I mean, I don't think Trump is helping matters

00:16:37.520 with these tweets, because Canadians, of course, are sensitive about that sort of thing.

00:16:43.340 But I think that's what's going on. I think China knows exactly what it's doing,

00:16:48.580 you know, continuing to make inroads in Canada. Of course, we knew that they were spying.

00:16:54.300 they've been interfering with our elections and you know they have they have an influence a growing 0.98

00:17:01.940 influence to the chinese community the diaspora in canada and uh they're doing it with an aim

00:17:10.460 towards using canada and we're being used you know we're allowing ourself essentially to be used

00:17:17.060 because Trump derangement syndrome, you know, we hate Trump.

00:17:21.460 And so too many people in Canada feel that way now.

00:17:25.620 They've been weaned into this idea that Trump is responsible

00:17:28.900 for all our problems in Canada. 0.85

00:17:32.080 And so let's chum up with China as if that's any kind of solution. 0.87

00:17:36.720 And then you have this issue of forced labor coming up 0.57

00:17:39.220 with the Americans saying, oh, by the way,

00:17:40.800 you do know that you guys are importing goods

00:17:43.920 that are manufactured by slave labor conditions in China.

00:17:48.820 You do know that, right?

00:17:50.120 And then Carney comes out and says,

00:17:52.640 oh, well, we empathize with that,

00:17:54.220 and we're going to do something about it.

00:17:55.920 Well, how are you going to do something about that 0.61

00:17:57.620 without upsetting the very people in China

00:18:02.020 that you're trying to chum up with?

00:18:03.920 And so I don't know how they're going to do it.

00:18:06.400 Anyway, last word to you.

00:18:08.640 Well, I've heard that there has been great difficulty

00:18:12.020 for some Canadians to understand why the U.S. should carry on any kind of relationship with

00:18:17.580 China if we're not allowed to. And I just want to speak to that a little bit because I think

00:18:22.380 there's a fundamental misunderstanding here of the place of the United States versus Canada.

00:18:27.340 The United States is the economic and military might on this planet. Their relations with their

00:18:33.980 enemies is much closer to the idea of keeping your friends close, but your enemies closer.

00:18:39.260 And this is something that the Canadians need to realize. And one does not need to listen to Mr.

00:18:44.920 Trump or heed his advice that China is incompatible with the West as it currently stands. Just take

00:18:51.580 the words of Mr. Xi in the communist textbook. You can look this up. Mr. Xi makes it clear. He

00:18:58.000 says the differences between Western civilization and China are, quote, irreconcilable. This is how

00:19:05.380 they take Western civilization to be. They are not playing a game here. They are playing for keeps

00:19:11.840 and they are in the middle of a war against the United States. And Canadians need to wake up

00:19:16.760 to that distinct threat. Mr. Trump will never allow a national security threat on his northern border.

00:19:23.480 So we either choose to go remain with our friends who have been our friends since the beginning

00:19:30.100 of our beautiful origins, or we can make a straight transformation towards Eastern despotism, 0.94

00:19:38.080 which will destroy not just our own sovereignty, but our relationship with the United States of

00:19:43.560 America. Thank you so much for coming on the show. We appreciate it as always.

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Juno News - June 05, 2026

Carney backs down from Trump AGAIN

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