Juno News - Carney BACKS DOWN on EV mandate？

00:00:00.000 Welcome to the Candice Malcolm Show. My name is Chris Sims. I'm the Alberta Director for the

00:00:06.640 Canadian Taxpayers Federation, filling in for Candice on her show today. Thank you so much

00:00:11.340 for making us a part of your day and your work week, this brand new work week kicking off.

00:00:15.580 Remember, if you haven't done so yet, make sure you subscribe and like this video and share it

00:00:21.200 with your friends who need some red pills. Okay, we got a really good show for you today because

00:00:25.820 there was a big win that happened late last week. So war's not over. Okay, not in full retreat yet,

00:00:33.900 but we kind of blew up a bridge and cut off a couple of train supply lines here. And that is

00:00:39.240 that Prime Minister Mark Carney made a big announcement. Remember how his government

00:00:44.340 was going to ban the sale of normal gasoline and diesel powered vehicles? By 2035, it was going

00:00:51.560 to be a complete ban. But in like four months time, like in the new year, it was going to start

00:00:58.060 the ban. Yeah. So before this big change, okay, car dealerships were going to be forced by the

00:01:05.940 government to sell 20% of their new car sales only as battery powered cars. If 20% of people don't want

00:01:15.440 to buy them tough cookies, they were just going to have to sit there and pile up as dead stock,

00:01:20.940 or the car dealerships were going to have to pay like a big increasing penalty cost. So suffice to

00:01:27.760 say, this was going to massively screw up your ability to go out and choose to purchase the kind

00:01:35.300 of energy powered vehicle that you want. If you wanted a gasoline or a diesel powered vehicle,

00:01:41.940 you should be able to go do that. If you want to go buy a battery powered vehicle with your own

00:01:46.780 money, you should be able to do that. But no, the feds were going to stomp right in there and say,

00:01:52.220 no, no, we're going to force you. So here's what happened. Carney felt the heat. He felt the heat

00:01:58.100 from tax fighters and from viewers like you. I mean that when you're calling them out, you're sending

00:02:04.000 emails, you're making phone calls, you're reaching out to your member of parliament saying,

00:02:07.640 this won't work. And he blinked. So this is super important. Okay, for two different reasons.

00:02:14.600 One, we can't afford this. And strategically, this is usually a strong indicator that something's going

00:02:21.980 to go. Okay. So what happened is Trudeau put in this whole EV mandate thing as the media calls it

00:02:28.320 the gas, the ban on gas and diesel powered vehicles. And then Carney came in as the new prime

00:02:33.600 minister. And he's got this flaming wreckage around him. Okay. The budget is a disaster. We're

00:02:39.200 blowing more than a billion dollars a week on debt interest payments. Big companies aren't investing

00:02:44.000 in Canada. They've blocked pipelines like things are a mess. Okay. So on Friday, he said, Oh, um,

00:02:51.360 let's delay the implementation of that big mess on car dealerships for a year. Let's study it.

00:02:58.000 This is a good thing. Like I said, the war is not over. But this is them stepping back. Quite often,

00:03:05.840 I'll describe it, that politicians and political leaders will often get themselves really high up

00:03:12.080 in like ideological trees, they'll climb right out onto a big shaky limb, because there's something

00:03:17.760 that they just decided think sounds good. But it doesn't make any sense. Okay. And because people have

00:03:24.620 been harping on this saying that we can't afford this, we don't have the electricity for this,

00:03:29.180 we don't have the money to build new electricity to power all these battery powered vehicles,

00:03:32.860 because so many people have been pushing back for so long, he's climbing down out of the tree.

00:03:39.440 This is a really good thing. So we got to do two things. One, we need to give him room to climb out

00:03:45.940 of a tree. So good job. I'm glad he's delaying this by a year. That's the right thing to do so far.

00:03:54.620 Two, we have to keep up the pressure. So let's listen directly to Prime Minister Mark Kearney

00:04:00.040 and how he phrased this on Friday.

00:04:02.780 To add flexibility to the automotive sector, we will remove the 2026 electric vehicle availability

00:04:10.860 standard, which specifies the share of new vehicle sales that must be electric next year.

00:04:15.940 This will provide immediate financial relief to automakers at a time of increased pressure

00:04:21.520 on their competitiveness. And the government will begin immediately a 60-day review of the EV

00:04:27.820 standard to identify future flexibilities and ways to reduce costs.

00:04:33.580 Pierre Polyev was very quick to jump out there with his assessment of things. Again,

00:04:38.800 the Conservative Party leader and official leader of the opposition has a seat back. He is now the

00:04:43.660 Member of Parliament for Battle River Crowfoot. Let's listen to what he had to say.

00:04:47.680 After being a passionate advocate for banning gas-powered vehicles, calling for them to be

00:04:53.340 banned by 2030 in his book, Values, which by the way was much more aggressive than Trudeau's plan,

00:04:58.460 abandoned in 35, 2035. He's finally admitted that the Conservatives were right, just like we were right

00:05:05.020 on the carbon tax. But he's doing a clumsy retreat, saying that he's going to delay this mandate.

00:05:13.360 So now, businesses who would otherwise consider investing in automaking here in Canada will have

00:05:19.740 to put that investment on hold. Well, Mark Carney dithers for another year to try and figure out how

00:05:25.880 he can ban people from putting gas and diesel in their trucks and cars. Mark Carney can't even get his flip-flops

00:05:33.520 right. Well, quite a strong statement. So again, he talks about it being clumsy. So you can picture

00:05:39.180 Mark Carney kind of climbing out of a tree I just described, and he's kind of scuffing his knees on

00:05:43.200 the bark on the way down. But we want him to scrap this thing altogether. And in fact, I'm not sure if

00:05:48.600 we have the Globe and Mail picture from it, and I believe that we can take a look at it here.

00:05:53.320 The Globe and Mail, okay, mainstream media, newspaper, I would call it kind of one of the

00:05:59.500 the deans or the trendsetters amongst the parliamentary press gallery. Even the Globe and

00:06:05.700 Mail editorial board is running with a headline of, Carney should pull the plug on the EV mandate.

00:06:12.660 So if you've got the Globe and Mail editorial board, okay, saying things like this, I think this

00:06:19.340 thing is winnable. I think we can force it to evaporate. The issue is how long is this going to

00:06:26.620 drift along and still screw up the ability for car sellers to be able to get in good stock?

00:06:35.100 I was listening to the Canada Strong and Free discussions, and apparently some car dealerships

00:06:41.600 are already saying, I'm not going to pull in any gas or diesel powered vehicles this year,

00:06:45.780 because I just can't afford to try to sell those ones. I'm going to have to only focus

00:06:50.500 on these battery powered vehicles because my quota is so tough. Like, this is already having a big

00:06:56.660 effect on the market. And another element that's important here. So it's important to see things

00:07:01.920 like the Globe and Mail come out and say, yeah, scrap the EV mandate or pull the plug on it. It's

00:07:05.840 important to do. But keep an eye on the rest of the mainstream media, because it's important that

00:07:12.060 we don't let this just all slip away, okay, and let them go kind of study it sort of for the next year.

00:07:17.760 We got to keep up the pressure, because there was something funny that happened over the weekend.

00:07:22.920 And in politics and news, I would have called this the big fun, shiny distraction. Okay,

00:07:28.500 when you're getting a bit of heat over something serious, quite often, a government will throw it a

00:07:32.140 bit of a circus. And lo and behold, the Prime Minister went for a run. That's fine. It's important to

00:07:38.480 stay fit and stay in shape. Who cares if the Prime Minister's going for a run as long as he's got

00:07:45.120 security with him and the sun shining, everything's fine. But take a look at this. We've got headline

00:07:50.400 after headline after headline. Look at that trail race. Oh, look, 26 kilometer. Oh, interesting. Look

00:07:58.680 at him there in the trees. Again, that's nice. It's good that he can do this. But you notice that so

00:08:03.820 the byline says Canadian Press on most of those. And you can see the little logo next to it. See

00:08:09.940 Canadian Press, right? I'm pulling this up because it's again, something for our viewers and for tax

00:08:17.560 fighters to understand. Been in the business for a long time. So I've seen how newsrooms change.

00:08:23.900 Quite often when you see most of the mainstream media going with the same headline over and over

00:08:29.800 and over again, I totally understand that a layman who's watching can think, do they all have a meeting

00:08:36.560 or something? Like how are they all agreeing to cover the same darn thing? Usually quite often with

00:08:42.280 a similar picture or a similar headline. Now that can happen, but I doubt it. People are usually too

00:08:49.120 busy to do that. Here's the thing. Canadian Press is a wire service. Okay. What that means is one person

00:08:57.460 writes a story for that entity and whatever publication happens to have an account with them

00:09:04.560 can just paste it. It's right there. That is how you see the same story auto-populated basically

00:09:12.720 from Halifax to Tofino. Okay. Even the CBC, the state broadcaster, which takes $1.4 billion per year

00:09:20.860 from us. Okay. Even the state broadcaster look carefully on their print stuff online. Look at the

00:09:27.580 byline. Quite often it will say Canadian press, which brings me to my main point here when it comes

00:09:34.700 to media, government funded media. It's not just the CBC that is funded by the government. Okay.

00:09:41.560 Hundreds of millions of dollars are going out the door. Your money, taxpayers money through the

00:09:47.340 government to media organizations, mainstream media organizations. The great folks at the very

00:09:54.880 independent media, Blacklock's reporter did the math on this, and it shakes out to almost $30,000

00:10:01.860 of funding per reporter for the media companies that take this money from the government. Okay.

00:10:08.920 And just generally speaking, the vast majority of the mainstream media are on some form of government

00:10:15.340 payroll. There might be some exceptions here and there, but suffice to say the vast majority of them

00:10:19.820 are on government payroll. You cannot have a free press, folks, when the journalists are getting

00:10:25.620 paid by the government. Free press means free from government. And this also plays into the fact

00:10:32.380 that quite often you'll see, have you noticed, that you'll see something on the CBC or some other

00:10:37.580 mainstream media over and over again about Trump. Trump, Trump, Trump, Trump, Trump, Trump, Trump,

00:10:42.100 Trump, Trump. We get it when it comes to things like, you know, threatening the auto industry

00:10:46.580 or heaven forbid, when he was threatening Alberta's energy sector. That's when Premier Smith flew down

00:10:51.340 there and spoke to Ben Shapiro and tried to get him to convince him that tariffs were bad.

00:10:55.600 The tariff thing is important. But why is it that there's such a domination of it in the news all

00:11:00.900 the time? Why is it, for example, that Ontario Premier Doug Ford, okay, who's screwing up his own

00:11:06.340 budget, whose own auto sector is under threat, whose own steel manufacturing sector is under threat,

00:11:11.400 won't say anything about the industrial carbon tax, which Carney's imposing on his steel industry,

00:11:17.280 but he'll make a big bit of theatre over dumping out a bunch of Crown Royal because Trump, because I

00:11:22.980 don't like Trump. Note, Crown Royal is made in Gimli, Manitoba, which is in Canada. So quite often

00:11:30.680 we'll hear, and there's a poll here, you can see it's from Abacus Data, that shows that Canadians are sick, 0.98

00:11:37.100 apparently, of hearing the constant Trump, Trump, Trump drumbeat. So, little note, okay, take it from

00:11:45.360 a long-time journalist. Canadian outlets may want to reverse their focus, and now is the time to do

00:11:51.560 that. We've got the House coming back next week. There's lots of stuff happening here in Canada.

00:11:56.380 About 50% of Canadians are within $200 every month of not being able to make the minimum payments on

00:12:02.780 all their bills. That is grim. We've got to get our industries restarted. We have to get taxes down,

00:12:09.720 and we have to get government out of the way. The good news is, is that we are winning some

00:12:15.340 important battles. At least we're winning some important skirmishes. What's next with this whole

00:12:21.520 EV mandate thing, and the next in the battle? Let's find out. Joining me now is Dan McTague,

00:12:27.060 head of Canadians for Affordable Energy and a general in this fight. Dan, I gotta just take,

00:12:33.680 can we take a little bit of a victory lap for a second here? Like, the war is not over, but I think

00:12:39.420 we blew up a bridge and cut off, like, two of their supply lines here. Are you happy to see that this

00:12:45.080 so-called EV mandate is at least being staved off for another year? Yeah, I'm just surprised that they

00:12:50.940 are too daft or perhaps too arrogant to suggest this was bad policy to begin with. Chris, you and I

00:12:55.940 talked about this for years and knew it was going to wind up in this, in this position. The fact that

00:13:02.180 Kearney seems to be undoing everything that Justin Trudeau and Guibo and McKenna did over the past 10

00:13:08.620 years isn't surprising. That he is not prepared to make a declaration to kill it off completely,

00:13:13.960 I think is going to leave to more concern from auto manufacturers, parts industries, as well as

00:13:20.760 dealers across this country, that this, this bad smell hanging around everything is just going to

00:13:26.860 continue going for some time, potentially destroying the automotive sector as we understand it.

00:13:32.700 So you mentioned a couple of names there, and I want to get to the palace intrigue in

00:13:36.300 Shea Liberal in a second, because I just can't resist it. But let's get, stay with the nuts and

00:13:41.600 bolts here. So as I can tell from reading the articles, so as of right now, if you just woke up,

00:13:47.140 okay, if you've been napping, before Kearney made this announcement on Friday, starting in 2026,

00:13:55.600 20% of all new vehicle sales were gonna have to be battery powered vehicles, meaning this is going

00:14:02.500 to directly affect gas and diesel powered vehicles and ultimately end with an entire government ban

00:14:08.860 on the sale of new normal, I would describe cars and trucks in Canada. So this was already affecting

00:14:15.500 the market, Dan. It was already messing things up at car dealership lot levels. These things weren't

00:14:20.500 moving naturally. I think in the latest quarter, didn't the natural demand and sale of EVs drop to

00:14:26.640 like eight or 9%? That's right. Down 40% from the second quarter this time last year. Those numbers

00:14:32.920 just came out. I see that my friend Paul Vieira has sent me something suggesting that the numbers have

00:14:38.820 pretty much cratered. And that's not just a reflection of concern. It's a reflection of the

00:14:44.840 fact that those who mooch or need subsidies to buy these things aren't getting them now. Therefore, 0.88

00:14:50.640 they're not going to buy them. And no one of the right mind would buy them. They're not a very

00:14:53.960 effective vehicle. I mean, I've been in the automotive industry. I understand electricity.

00:14:57.920 My family's been in it for about 80, 90 years in Whitby, Ontario, McTagg Electric, by the way.

00:15:01.960 And I've worked in the automotive sector. This just doesn't make sense. It didn't five years ago.

00:15:07.600 It sure as hell isn't going to be going forward. So maybe a reprieve. But I think for a lot of

00:15:12.200 people, those numbers are just too impossible to ignore. More importantly, and Chris, this is really

00:15:18.000 central to all this. We talked about this back in November. When Trump came in, it wasn't about

00:15:23.140 terrorists. It was just getting rid of the EV mandate in the United States. And with 90% of all

00:15:27.760 your vehicles manufactured in Ontario and places like Quebec and even BC, with that market now

00:15:34.580 going and gone, you'll have an EV availability already. You have a glut of them that no one will

00:15:39.120 want to drive because of course, we already have golf carts in Canada. Yeah, exactly. And to the

00:15:44.760 point where I think a lot of folks are like, oh, well, if somebody chooses to buy them, that's fine.

00:15:49.260 Yeah, that is fine. But one, don't put taxpayers on the hook for it. So they've been mooching off

00:15:53.680 corporate welfare now for years. And it was going to cost people an arm and a leg. And even without

00:15:59.040 if you just take the tax credits out of it, if you're buying, say, a regular sedan versus another

00:16:05.180 regular sedan, and you do the cost comparison between battery powered and gas powered, there was

00:16:10.040 still close to a $20,000 price difference there. And so off the lot. And so for an average working

00:16:16.480 family of whom about 50% are in really dire straits right now in Canada, like they weren't able to

00:16:23.160 afford those things. Further, we weren't going to be able to afford to power them. We don't have the

00:16:30.460 juice to make these things go. And we don't have the money to build the juice towers to make these

00:16:36.940 things go. The last time we did the math here, just raw math. If we switched all of the cars that we

00:16:42.860 own right now, our private fleet of vehicles over to electric, it would be like 14 new can-do reactors.

00:16:50.460 That's just the start. That's not touch and transmission or the charging station. So this

00:16:54.860 thing should have been dead in the water in November, exactly to your point. To this point, Dan,

00:17:00.880 you've described it so well before, like really the auto industry, it's basically one industry that

00:17:06.640 straddles a border. The notion that one huge side of it was going to completely walk away from this

00:17:13.620 and us out on our little archipelago was still going to be able to make this thing work was irrational,

00:17:19.520 wasn't it?

00:17:20.820 It was an exercise in magical thinking. And, you know, I predicted the bright drop van plant would go.

00:17:26.860 I predicted Stellantis wouldn't go. The Ford plant in Oakville wouldn't go.

00:17:30.420 That Lee Ion, or whatever the hell they call it, went bankrupt. Northvolt went bankrupt.

00:17:38.540 You know, we have examples of Lion Bus bankrupt. I mean, come on, folks, wake the hell up.

00:17:46.260 What kind of world do you live in in which you can, the only thing that matters is if you can

00:17:49.820 subsidize their buildings, subsidize their purchase, and subsidize their infrastructure.

00:17:53.700 That doesn't work in a country that, Chris, you and I are going to be talking about in a couple of weeks,

00:17:57.800 when Mark Carney finally has the intestinal fortitude to stand up and say, I'm going to present a budget

00:18:02.320 and I'm not going to parse it when it's over a hundred billion dollars. I mean, it's clear that

00:18:07.800 the, uh, the end is, is near and that the decision that Carney made the other day shouldn't have been

00:18:11.600 about extending it. It should have been damn well killing it, eliminating, gutting it, getting rid of

00:18:15.580 it. I'm glad to see the conservatives have picked up on that. I'm not surprised they're practical

00:18:19.240 people, but, uh, you know, the elbows up crowd can go figure out how to, uh, you know, to make more

00:18:24.380 electric vehicles that the world doesn't want. And if they do want them, they get them a half

00:18:27.640 price from China, which we have tariffs on. This is such a, a mess. I'll put it nicely

00:18:33.700 because we're on TV. So it's a complete mess. So the practical, the practical side of me

00:18:39.640 is trying to be strategic here and say, okay, give him room, give Carney room to climb down

00:18:44.800 out of this rotten tree house that Trudeau built. Okay. Because he can easily come in.

00:18:49.020 He's got political capital. I would argue, you may disagree. I think he's got political room

00:18:53.220 in capital to come in and say, wow, um, look at all this flaming wreckage. That was the other guy's

00:18:57.480 plan. I'm the new guy. I'm throwing all this stuff in the dustbin and I'm going to be a different sort

00:19:02.580 of person. Um, so there's that practical side of it. And then the other part of me that just wants

00:19:07.500 to fight and bring things down when it's costing taxpayers money and infringing on their ability

00:19:12.120 to choose the kind of car they want to buy is saying, just keep up the fight constantly. So

00:19:17.260 right now at the Taxpayers Federation, we've put out a bunch of emails. We're saying right now is the

00:19:21.980 time to bombard your member of parliament, especially if he or she happens to be a liberal

00:19:26.720 saying, kill this thing now, because dragging this on for a year, you know, better than me. 0.54

00:19:33.000 Will this still be affecting car dealerships? Like if I'm, if I'm a car dealership owner

00:19:38.320 and I'm trying to get, you know, supply in, I don't are just, I'm just in purgatory now, aren't I?

00:19:44.120 Or some form of limbo?

00:19:46.760 Well, I think for a lot of car dealers and a lot of car manufacturers, um, you know, they have to deal

00:19:51.700 not only with the, uh, the elimination of this market, which won't exist at least for the

00:19:55.840 foreseeable future in the United States, therefore completely removing the need for us to build

00:20:00.600 vehicles in Canada altogether. It's that there's now an impact, not on the electric vehicle,

00:20:05.000 uh, you know, fantasies. There's an impact now on the existing, uh, construction and building of

00:20:11.860 internal combustion engines. We're likely to have traded away, uh, you know, the farm and for a handful

00:20:17.600 of beans and there isn't going to be some kind of thing growing out of the ground that magically

00:20:21.060 makes us a better nation. Uh, we've done enormous damage to ourselves by going along and elbows up

00:20:27.620 and to get along. Um, and many people chose Chris to ignore you. And what I had to say over the years

00:20:33.640 is that you cannot possibly get a nation like Canada, practically speaking, to involve itself

00:20:39.700 in this kind of net zero nonsense. And there's a whole pile of them. We don't just talk here about,

00:20:43.680 you know, uh, clean fuel standards and the, which is the second carbon tax, the main carbon tax,

00:20:48.720 which you and I have been on for years and also electric vehicle mandates, emissions caps.

00:20:52.940 Look, we have built and erected, uh, an idea around net zero that says that this can be imposed

00:20:59.520 on Canada willy nilly. And, um, if you're a government worker and you got, you know, decent

00:21:03.800 pension and whatnot, you don't care, but for the rest of the country, it's a quick, uh, it's a quick

00:21:08.700 walk downhill. And in fact, we're tumbling. I just got finished at the Canada strong and free

00:21:13.760 conference, which was held here over, uh, the weekend in Calgary and, uh, excellent conference.

00:21:18.660 We had Jamil Giovanni come out, uh, Brian Lilly flew out to interview Premier Daniel Smith. Lots of

00:21:22.660 really great speakers. Tristan Hopper brought the house down with this weird mix of nihilism and humor.

00:21:29.000 Um, Premier Smith made a bunch of different points as she often does. And she pointed out exactly what

00:21:34.880 you were just mentioning there. Uh, things like the, the cap on Alberta energy, they call it an

00:21:40.300 emissions cap, but of course it's a production cap. And she mentioned the idea of banning the sale of

00:21:45.320 normal gas and diesel powered vehicles and just how much damage this is doing. The West Coast tanker

00:21:50.080 ban, Bill C-69, all of these things that have been strangling, especially Alberta's industries now for

00:21:56.640 a decade. Now, I always try to have some white pills here or some optimism. Do you think it's,

00:22:03.380 can we reverse this damage? If everybody just kind of says, okay, the scales have fallen from our

00:22:08.780 eyes. Let's scrap the stupid mandate. Let's scrap things like Bill C-69 and energy caps. Can we

00:22:14.680 like resuscitate this thing? I think it is possible. It's just going to take a while, isn't it?

00:22:20.080 Well, we need to put on the, uh, the adult pants and take off the little boy's short pants because I

00:22:25.680 mean, it's not just the carbon taxes. It's not just the electric vehicle mandate. It's not just

00:22:31.160 the emissions caps. OBPS, the output-based pricing system. It's an industrial carbon tax that already

00:22:36.960 exists. That's going to come off too. We can't possibly compete against the Americans or anyone 0.96

00:22:41.640 else when we have these kind of onerous, uh, impositions placed on us. And we also need the

00:22:46.080 federal government as the Canadian taxpayers federation has been very quickly to point

00:22:49.720 out that continues to borrow more money than it's taking in and leaving not just this, but many

00:22:54.540 generations with a debt that we're never going to be able to come up. Why am I worried about this?

00:22:58.380 Because damn it, in 1990, I was an MP and we had to fight that massive debt by basically

00:23:04.340 throwing everything out, cutting back programs, cutting hospitals, loading down on provinces,

00:23:10.320 uh, you know, dropping people's expectation of social programs to maintain the system because

00:23:14.940 we saw this was not viable. In 10 short years, the cult that took over in 2015 despoiled all that.

00:23:20.940 So Mark Carney can't talk to us about the fantasies of net zero, get rid of the entire apparatus.

00:23:25.440 He's now going to deal with a massive debt and get the economy running again. The only way he's

00:23:28.900 going to do that is getting manufacturing and get a lot more oil and gas sold to the rest of the

00:23:33.220 world. And I mean, pipelines that should have already been determined, should have already

00:23:36.940 been approved today. And if anybody wants to stand in, stand in its way, fine. Get a legal and a

00:23:43.360 physical bulldozer to push these people out of the way because they've done enough to damage the

00:23:47.300 economy over the past decade and generations to come. That's not fair. That's un-Canadian and we need to 0.99

00:23:52.160 stand up against those people. The premier mentioned this, um, very well. And the thing

00:23:57.700 that was just sounded discouraging is that again, it's the confidence. If you don't have a company

00:24:03.500 looking at Canada with the confidence of like, Oh yeah, I'm going to put my money there. I'm going

00:24:08.320 to build that plant. I'm going to build that pipeline. Apparently it's just floating really low

00:24:13.520 right now. And to your point, unless Carney really turns a corner here, like a sharp heel turn,

00:24:20.680 how are they going to like instill confidence again? Especially if you take a look at the United

00:24:25.160 States where, you know, Trump's going all guns a blazing, right? He's, he's trying to make it boom.

00:24:30.720 He's not going to be putting an industrial carbon tax. Frankly, Obama abandoned his plan to have a carbon

00:24:36.320 tax. He thought about it, but he didn't do it. So the States aren't going to do this anytime soon

00:24:41.520 with this kind of crazy green lockdown situation to the economy. Like, do you think I'll put it this

00:24:47.200 way? Carney like wrote this book. Okay. While he was UN special envoy on climate stuff stuff. Like,

00:24:54.200 do you think he's got it to be able to do a big heel pivot on this stuff?

00:24:58.800 Well, he's got pretty much to hold himself whole, but we've seen up to now, he doesn't know how to

00:25:03.640 make a decision and his decisions are simply to temporary, you know, postpone or put off or delay.

00:25:09.520 I mean, this is becoming the proverbial Mr. Dithers of politics, and he's far worse than

00:25:15.720 anything I've seen. The big problem for Canada and its leadership and the woke types that took

00:25:21.300 over and did their ESGDI nonsense for the past 10 years is that you really, you really told the

00:25:28.160 rest of the world, don't invest in Canada. And even if you did, there's no guarantee you're going

00:25:32.100 to be able to cover it. So we do, yeah, we built a pipeline, but it costs you and I 50 billion bucks.

00:25:36.300 The private sector would have done it for nothing, created the same amount of jobs and created the

00:25:40.100 same opportunities. But no, we have a weak Canadian dollar because we've got nothing. No one wants to

00:25:43.940 buy anything in Canada. And, you know, you only have to go in beyond the economics. We flooded the

00:25:48.840 country with migrants, eight to 10 million over the past 10 years to make of Canada a real basket 1.00

00:25:55.080 case. And I think, you know, for those, you know, work in the private sector, it's a struggle for

00:26:00.140 those in the, those that can survive. For those in the public sector, hey, believe me, the grim reaper

00:26:05.960 of these bad politics is coming to knock on your door very, very soon. And you will lose your jobs

00:26:10.840 because of your woke, ignorant, short-sighted views of the world. Canada does not function without its

00:26:16.720 resources, manufacturing. The fact that we've done everything we could to crap on that industry and

00:26:20.940 those industries is a reflection of the fact that we have seen a declining, a decline, a major

00:26:25.260 decline in our standard living. Job numbers are going through the roof. It's getting worse, not

00:26:29.380 better. Mark Carney can do all he wants, all the, you know, jiggling and the dancing that he wants.

00:26:34.440 At the end of the day, he's got to get rid of everything that he's represented since day one.

00:26:39.340 To your point, last two points, I'm going to get to palace intrigue to finish things off. But first,

00:26:44.560 are you glad to hear Pierre Polyev, the Conservative leader, say we're going to keep on fighting the

00:26:50.300 industrial carbon tax and we're going to keep on fighting the second carbon tax,

00:26:54.280 which we call it the second carbon tax. It's otherwise known as the low carbon fuel standard.

00:26:59.840 It's the reason why in British Columbia, it's still costing you on average, it floats up and

00:27:04.940 down based on the, on the price, but on average around 17 or 18 cents extra per liter of gasoline

00:27:10.320 and diesel. Trudeau, in all of his wisdom and genius, used British Columbia as a template.

00:27:16.520 He looked at the price of gas in Vancouver and said, that's awesome. Let's make that across Canada.

00:27:20.580 So he used it as a template across Canada. So the low carbon fuel standard or the second carbon tax

00:27:26.340 is going to keep on increasing. Is it yearly, Dan, across Canada?

00:27:31.340 Yeah, yearly. And not only that, ethanol. You've got enough 15% ethanol in gasoline,

00:27:35.280 mostly in premium. So your mileage is going to wind up being, you know, severely impacted.

00:27:40.980 And you've got a chainsaw, I had to fix one on the weekend here, all gummed up in the carburetor.

00:27:44.760 You've got a lawnmower, get rid of the gasoline at the end of the season, because guess what?

00:27:48.740 You're going to wind up having to do some damage to the, to the, the, the, the, the mechanism,

00:27:53.620 the carbureted mechanisms. But beyond that, it also means that we're using food for fuel.

00:27:58.920 We're now saying there isn't enough, there isn't enough ethanol being produced in Canada.

00:28:03.840 It's all coming from the United States. And so even if we want to have these great fantasies 0.72

00:28:07.300 about the great things that we're doing, we're just making our Americans very rich and the rest of

00:28:11.500 the world laughing at Canada. And you know what? We did it not once, not twice, not three times,

00:28:16.920 but four times. So Canadians have no one to bloody well blame, but themselves.

00:28:22.520 Unbelievable. For folks who want to see more about what Dan's talking about there,

00:28:26.560 about the food, using food for fuel, secondstreet.org posted a great paper on this a few years ago.

00:28:32.660 What if we kept it in the ground? Question mark. If we switched everything to plant-based plastics

00:28:37.880 and all this stuff that a lot of people are pushing, what would happen? I forget the percentage,

00:28:42.500 but the amount of arable land, meaning what you can grow food on, that would have to be required

00:28:47.220 to replace petroleum, like mineral oil that we pull out of the ground otherwise, was astonishing.

00:28:53.800 I wanted to quickly point out, before I get to our palace intrigue, because it involves palace

00:28:57.920 intrigue a little bit. I was noticing that when Pierre Polyev made his big announcement saying,

00:29:03.540 we're going to continue to fight the carbon tax. This is the second carbon tax in industrial. He dug

00:29:08.240 his heels right in and good on him. Some of the, how would I describe them? I would say a newer

00:29:14.360 influencers, who I would generally say are on the right, were saying, hey man, that was the last

00:29:20.180 fight. Pick up the new fight, drop this carbon tax stuff. And so I felt like, you know, grandma Simpson

00:29:26.020 here saying, no, pull up a chair. Okay. Carbon taxes are the OG way for globalist governments to

00:29:33.520 control your life. Do you want some big government taxing and punishing you for eating food or for

00:29:40.440 driving a vehicle of your choice or heaven forbid, heating your home? If you're cool with that,

00:29:46.280 then you must really love big government control, my friend. So I just wanted to point that out there

00:29:51.860 for the kids these days who are watching this stuff. Pierre Polyev was right to say, no,

00:29:57.120 we're going to keep up the fight against carbon taxes.

00:30:00.400 And he should, because the last conservative leader didn't, and thought he'd trade a few

00:30:05.000 Western votes for a few Canadian votes and didn't get either. So at the end of all of this,

00:30:09.260 the reality is that, and the practical reality is that for conservatives who are naysayers and think

00:30:13.880 that we should go down this road, talk to your neighbors. Give the next few months, they're not

00:30:17.760 as giddy, they're not as confident, they're not as cocky, and they feel frankly deceived by what

00:30:22.700 Mark Carney and his guys represent. They were supposed to be the guys that stood up to Trump.

00:30:26.020 They didn't. They caved, they took a knee, and at the same time, they're breaking down everything

00:30:31.420 that they once represented. So I don't know. This looks like a liberal government that looks a lot

00:30:36.060 more like a conservative government. Pierre Polyev maybe should stop saying these things,

00:30:39.920 because I'm pretty sure that within the next few months, Mark Carney is going to come around to

00:30:43.240 his senses and adopt them as well.

00:30:45.180 Or steal his lunch. Yeah. Lastly, I can't help myself. Okay, so for folks who don't know,

00:30:50.380 Dan McTague was a longtime member of parliament, a liberal member of parliament.

00:30:54.480 And so he knows those hallways and where the bodies are buried and stuff.

00:30:58.820 So let's just imagine, say Mark Carney, Prime Minister Mark Carney, goes blue. He goes blue Tory.

00:31:06.580 The central banker within him and his abacus takes control, and he starts really bringing down

00:31:12.020 the cost of things. He starts, you know, fighting to balance the budget, which would be miraculous,

00:31:16.460 and we want him to do that. Do you see a split growing between the Stefan Guibo types,

00:31:23.260 like the hardcore, like left, like, we want to seize, you know, gas-powered vehicles? Remember,

00:31:30.500 they were floating the idea of attacks on pickup trucks, and we caught them doing it? Like,

00:31:35.120 that sector of the caucus, I'm not talking the voters, the folks who are there, members of

00:31:40.340 parliament and cabinet ministers. Do you see, if Carney keeps going this kind of, let's be practical

00:31:45.760 direction, do you see a split forming there?

00:31:48.260 Well, they'll go back to their old selves that Mark Carney won't, and they will. The

00:31:53.660 Guibos can go back to promoting Marxism and separation, as he had in the past, or maybe

00:31:58.240 dangling from bridges, towers, or maybe former premiers' homes. I don't know. And frankly,

00:32:04.760 I don't care, because the guy shouldn't have been given that position to begin with in the

00:32:08.180 first place. But it's only because of a cult that now pervades the Liberal Party, in which the

00:32:13.240 leader is everything, and everyone else who has an opinion is nothing. Look how long it took to get

00:32:17.640 rid of that, you know, Trudeau. I mean, it was god-awful. The public didn't even want him. Six

00:32:23.100 percent support. I mean, there is no doubt in my mind that, you know, we'll see people going back to

00:32:31.760 their old selves, or maybe joining the old organizations that they thought, you know, could

00:32:36.840 work well. But at the end of the day, sooner or later, charities are going to be audited. These

00:32:42.620 charities that call themselves, you know, foundations and whatnot, and do charitable work, it's all

00:32:47.540 political activism. Someone's going to pull the pin on these people, and finally get them, the audits

00:32:52.680 put back on them, so that they're investigated appropriately, because they're not doing charitable

00:32:56.460 work. They're doing a lot of political advocacy, and as a result of that, making Canada a lot

00:33:01.760 poor, it's damaging Canadians. I know, of course, how this works, and to me, it's inevitable. Things

00:33:08.260 are declining rapidly. No one is happy. No one trusts the Liberals, and if the Liberals among

00:33:13.680 themselves want to fight, so be it, but there's nothing left of the NDP. There's nothing left in

00:33:18.220 terms of integrity on the left. They've despoiled the country, and they have to account for it.

00:33:23.420 Ideologically speaking, do you think if Carney starts doing stuff like this, say, I'm dreaming,

00:33:28.480 say he gets rid of the EV mandate or the ban on gas and diesel-powered vehicles, say he gets rid of

00:33:33.180 the industrial carbon tax. I know I'm dreaming, okay? Just walk along Fantasyland with me for a

00:33:37.220 second. Say Carney does those things. Does this then leave more room for the NDP to have more

00:33:43.860 flowers to pick and get some of its base back? Because Trudeau went so hard left, right, with a

00:33:49.300 lot of these really dumb fiscal policies. Like, it was just astonishing that they didn't have a lot of

00:33:55.140 room there, right? Because he was already doing that dumb stuff. Does this leave more of that stuff

00:34:00.020 then ripe for the picking for whatever the NDP becomes? Well, the efforts of previous governments

00:34:05.660 to balance the books, to get the finances right, to get the economy going, and it's conservative and

00:34:10.520 liberal of over a decade, and shield us against, you know, some global downturns, as well as, you know,

00:34:16.400 shield us well market-wise to make sure that we wouldn't be caught flat-footed again,

00:34:21.440 as we were in the 1990s, means that there is opportunity for the NDP to come back and to

00:34:28.120 eat the liberal lunch, because liberals, even liberals, are realizing that when they're out

00:34:32.420 of work, they can't turn around and be trendy and cool and have the elbows up when, in fact,

00:34:36.620 their pockets are bare. My concern is not about the NDP, because, frankly, there'll always be room for

00:34:42.400 quacks and weirdos on the left, but my biggest concern has been how we've lost the center,

00:34:48.060 which gravitated, which brought people in who wanted to work, who wanted to, you know, pull up

00:34:52.720 their, you know, roll up their shirt sleeves and find pragmatic solutions. Consensus built it,

00:34:57.460 completely lost in favor of ideologies that are extraordinarily negative to Canada, the WEF stuff

00:35:03.360 that we've seen, net zero. Mark Carney's going to say, no, I'm nixing net zero. Once he does that,

00:35:08.880 I'll be glad to join again and to say this is a great thing, and he deserves those kudos. But the

00:35:16.620 damage is done in this time frame, you Prime Minister, and if Canadians don't believe me,

00:35:20.220 they certainly didn't 13, 15, 17 weeks ago, they're sure as hell going to believe it now.

00:35:25.120 Dan McTague, Canadians for Affordable Energy, thank you so much for your work on this fight. I think

00:35:30.500 you should take a bit of a victory lap today, because there'll be more fight tomorrow. Thanks so

00:35:34.320 much for joining us. Great to be here. Thanks, Rob. Once again, that was Dan McTague, and he is

00:35:39.560 heading up Canadians for Affordable Energy. He used to run a thing called Gas Buddy. Remember back when

00:35:45.840 this really smart dude would be able to tell you what your gas price was going to be tomorrow?

00:35:50.040 That's Dan McTague. So definitely a person whose brain you want to pick. If you don't follow him yet

00:35:55.140 online, make sure that you go to Canadians for Affordable Energy and do so. Speaking of Canadians

00:36:00.900 that you need to follow and get involved with, we have got a great program that I wanted to highlight

00:36:06.180 for you here. And it's a special essay contest for university students. Okay. And it's from

00:36:12.420 the Manning Centre, of course, named after Preston Manning. For folks who are new to politics,

00:36:19.960 the impact that Preston Manning, one of the founders of the Reform Party, the first leader of the Reform

00:36:25.920 Party, has had on the political movement in Canada, you can't even quite describe it. Thousands and

00:36:32.440 thousands of people followed his vision for having things like elected senates and balanced budgets and

00:36:39.240 fiscal reform and responsibility and accountable government all the way to Ottawa. And he's

00:36:45.160 influenced decades of people now. So at the Manning Centre, they have a special essay contest.

00:36:51.120 If you are an undergrad in university, you can write quite broadly an essay. And I think the top

00:36:59.260 prize for this Manning Centre essay contest is something like over $2,000. So that's nothing to

00:37:06.300 sneeze at. And really neat, it gives you access to a cool interview with secondstreet.org on the

00:37:12.840 news forum, which is a cable TV news channel. And you get to have access to the next Canada Strong and

00:37:19.160 Free event that's happening in Ottawa. That's where tons and tons of people, hundreds and hundreds of

00:37:24.760 them all flock into Ottawa, Canada's capital, and they start talking about policy. And there's an

00:37:30.280 element of it that you can really learn best practices. So good communication skills, good

00:37:35.080 campaign management skills, whether you're right inside politics, or outside of politics. So for folks

00:37:41.420 who want to participate, look it up, go to the Manning Foundation, go to the Manning Centre,

00:37:46.300 Google the essay, okay, put it in your favourite search engine, and find it. And I would encourage

00:37:51.940 everybody to participate because it's a really great way to network. And it's a really great way

00:37:57.200 to express your thoughts in a full scale format. So remember to throw your hat in the ring,

00:38:03.980 write a good essay, and see if you win. Speaking of winning, folks, this is a win, okay? Kicking this

00:38:11.540 ban on the sale of gas and diesel powered vehicles down the road by a year, they're blinking,

00:38:17.760 they're retreating, okay? We've almost got this thing in the bag. And it's because of forums like

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Juno News - September 08, 2025

Carney BACKS DOWN on EV mandate？

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