Juno News - Carney dodges questions on what Canadians must “sacrifice” for budget

00:00:00.000 Prime Minister Mark Carney refused to tell reporters what he meant when he warned Canadians

00:00:09.840 they would have to make sacrifices ahead of his long-anticipated federal budget.

00:00:15.800 A top border security official revealed the Canadian Border Services Agency's annual

00:00:20.460 deportation targets, which would cover less than 10% of the total number of people facing

00:00:25.220 removal orders.

00:00:26.320 A new study found that Alberta's charter schools significantly outperformed the province's

00:00:32.620 government-run public schools in recent years.

00:00:36.080 Hello Canada, it's Friday, October 24th, and this is the True North Daily Brief.

00:00:41.200 I'm Clayton DeMaine.

00:00:42.460 And I'm Willie Tim-Tim.

00:00:43.960 We've got you covered with all the news you need to know.

00:00:46.840 Let's discuss the top stories of the day and the True North exclusives you won't hear anywhere else.

00:00:52.540 Prime Minister Mark Carney avoided answering what he is calling on Canadians to, quote,

00:01:01.580 sacrifice with his upcoming budget plan.

00:01:05.420 During a speech ahead of the Liberals' federal budget given to students in Ottawa on Wednesday,

00:01:12.280 Carney told Canadians, quote,

00:01:14.040 Just a day later in Bowmanville, Ontario, Carney avoided answering what sacrifices he expects

00:01:29.620 Canadians to make.

00:01:30.640 He began answering the question of what things he warned Canadians will, quote,

00:01:35.900 have to do less of during his remarks again on Thursday, but quickly pivoted, saying he'll

00:01:42.860 save those announcements for when the budget is released.

00:01:46.800 Conservatives have been calling on Carney to release a budget since he was elected.

00:01:51.660 Carney has promised the budget will be released on November 4th.

00:01:54.900 You just said in your remarks, and you said it last night in your speech as well,

00:01:59.420 that we'll have to do less of some of the things that we want to do.

00:02:02.880 So what are some of those things, Prime Minister?

00:02:05.420 Well, look, we'll have a budget, and all aspects of the budget will reveal that.

00:02:12.860 We'll have to move more slowly on certain aspects of, well, you know what?

00:02:20.640 I think we should, why don't I not scoop the budget, and we'll let it come out through the budget.

00:02:25.860 Carney promised to continue funding federal health transfers to provinces for their health

00:02:31.680 care systems, child care support, dental care, and national school food program to help the,

00:02:39.400 quote, most vulnerable in Canadian society.

00:02:42.320 He said, quote,

00:02:43.320 There's certain demands or desires to expand in different areas,

00:02:47.960 and we won't be able to move as quickly as we otherwise would,

00:02:52.080 because there's certain things we must do to take back control and to build this country.

00:02:58.480 Carney also said that he would take, quote,

00:03:00.880 good ideas from opposition parties and incorporate them into the budget.

00:03:05.840 So, Waleed, Conservative leader Pierre Polyev had a press conference just moments after on Thursday.

00:03:12.020 I know you wrote about it.

00:03:13.460 So, what were some of the things that conservatives were saying in response to this?

00:03:18.220 Well, he kind of described Carney as a counterfeit conservative, apparently,

00:03:23.780 because he talked about how while there was some mention of austerity, cuts to spending,

00:03:31.040 and a commitment to cut down spending on the operational budget and balance it by the next three years,

00:03:38.000 I guess it offers little comfort to the conservative party's needs and demands,

00:03:45.380 specifically referring to the fact that he believes that this is just more of the same.

00:03:51.540 I mean, Pierre Polyev said himself that he's promising, or Carney, that is,

00:03:57.000 more suffering, more slogans, more bureaucracy, and more waste.

00:04:01.020 He also referred to the liberal decade and the fact that he hasn't actually reversed a single policy that has caused this pain.

00:04:09.620 Of course, the carbon tax are among those policies,

00:04:12.320 but we know that the carbon tax itself has been fully repealed as a law.

00:04:17.520 Also, what's a bit more deceptive for Canadians to understand

00:04:20.920 is that the operational budget commitment is actually a bit of a misleading metric,

00:04:26.920 because what you have now is you have this carny tactic of splitting the budget of the operating budget of the government

00:04:35.460 and the capital budget.

00:04:37.320 And that's actually something that Conservative MP Michael Cooper previously described as a creative accounting measure

00:04:43.000 in order to hide the real deficit of government spending, which is, as we know, significant.

00:04:49.260 Polyev later talked about how Canadians are losing their paychecks to inflation

00:04:53.440 and how homes are now leading to higher mortgage payments

00:04:58.180 and all this economic downturn is causing them to lose hope.

00:05:02.660 So we pretty much just said that Carney had no credibility

00:05:06.940 and that Carney is, quote, saying the right things, but does the opposite.

00:05:12.460 That's not considered, that's counterfeit.

00:05:14.540 So nothing in terms of praise for Polyev, much more critical response from him.

00:05:21.480 And of course, Pierre met with him, Mark Carney, on Wednesday and had pushed for some measures.

00:05:28.440 We're not sure what the budget will look like exactly just yet,

00:05:32.040 but as we're getting closer to the November 4th budget reveal,

00:05:36.280 it seems that the Conservative Party and Pierre Polyev aren't so supportive of Carney's message as of yet.

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00:06:57.980 A top border security official revealed that Canada plans to deport less than a tenth of those issued removal orders

00:07:04.700 annually for two years, citing an inability to track individuals on a, quote,

00:07:09.960 systematic level, and the vast majority of cases being delayed by the appeal process.

00:07:14.560 During the House of Commons Immigration Committee meeting on Wednesday,

00:07:17.600 Canada Border Services Agency, Vice President of Intelligence and Enforcement, Aaron McCrory,

00:07:22.820 told MPs the agency plans to enforce 20,000 removal orders each year.

00:07:29.540 McCrory said around 18,000 people have already been deported this year,

00:07:34.240 but that 200,000 to 300,000 individuals who have been issued removal orders

00:07:38.220 are currently being processed by the Immigration Refugee Board of Canada,

00:07:42.540 a federal appeals court, and it, quote,

00:07:44.960 Immigration Refugee Board of Canada, IRB,

00:07:47.740 a federal appeals court, and it, quote,

00:07:50.020 wouldn't make sense to track each of them.

00:07:52.520 McCrory also mentioned that some individuals from countries where Canada cannot deport people,

00:07:57.060 such as Haiti or Sudan, who have been declared inadmissible, quote,

00:08:01.680 can't be removed, and aren't considered cases the agency is, quote,

00:08:05.800 actively looking to work on to remove.

00:08:08.240 When answering a question from conservative MP Frank Davies about the CBSA's targets for removal

00:08:12.820 enforcement, McCrory clarified that there are currently 30,000 individuals marked as removals

00:08:18.140 in progress, but that the agency will only aim to deport two-thirds of those each year

00:08:23.160 for the next two years.

00:08:24.940 This means the agency has only deported 18,000 of the up to at least 330,000 individuals

00:08:30.920 who have been issued deportation orders.

00:08:33.700 So, Clayton, why are so few of those facing removal orders actually deported?

00:08:38.260 Well, Waleed, from what I gather from immigration experts and the testimonies at these immigration

00:08:44.080 committees from border security and immigration officials, it seems like the bulk of what is

00:08:50.220 preventing illegal migrants from being deported is the very systems Canada has to ensure due 0.59

00:08:56.940 process and the safety of those migrants.

00:08:59.220 And before I go on, there was a justice committee yesterday where the ratio said in the article

00:09:05.400 of those being deported versus how many have been ordered to be removed is even more stark.

00:09:11.420 So let's go to that clip now.

00:09:13.460 30,000 removals in progress of people we are engaging.

00:09:18.320 We have 32,000 warrants for people that we are looking for.

00:09:25.180 32, I beg your pardon?

00:09:27.060 There are 32,000 warrants?

00:09:29.440 People who are in our wanted inventory that we are actively looking for.

00:09:33.920 I'm sorry, you have...

00:09:35.640 And I'll point out, all of this is posted publicly.

00:09:40.200 These aren't secret numbers.

00:09:41.740 They're on the CBSA website.

00:09:43.360 So you know them, but the minister doesn't.

00:09:45.540 So if we take the high end of those numbers, including both the 30,000 who the CBSA said are

00:09:52.540 being engaged right now, and the 32,000 who have active warrants, but the CBSA are unaware of where

00:10:02.260 they are, and the 200,000 to 300,000 caught up in the delay system, the CBSA could have actually

00:10:11.260 only arrested less than 5% instead of less than 10%, as was originally said in the article.

00:10:18.820 But you know, as McCrory said during the committee, even if a migrant is ordered to leave,

00:10:25.680 they could appeal to both the Immigration and Refugees Board or a federal appeals court

00:10:31.460 to have the decisions overturned.

00:10:33.480 They could also ask for a pre-removal risk assessment with the hopes that Canada decides

00:10:39.860 they can't deport the person back to their country due to the potential for persecution

00:10:45.580 or other harms.

00:10:47.280 And it's only after all of that is done that a person could actually be deported.

00:10:51.760 And by that time, it's possible that those individuals are simply lost in Canada, like these 32,000 illegal

00:11:00.620 migrants that have active warrants. 0.93

00:11:03.080 But I spoke to immigration lawyer Sergio Caras last week about his recommendations to improve

00:11:09.460 this system.

00:11:10.600 And he noted that in the U.S., the government can just override the U.S. equivalent of these

00:11:16.280 tribunals and appeals courts and deport an illegal migrant they don't want in the country. 0.99

00:11:21.460 But Canada does not have that.

00:11:24.160 And, you know, historically, people who are even convicted terrorists have taken decades to be deported

00:11:29.820 through Canada's migration system.

00:11:33.360 And he suggested that travel bans be increased on people who have been deported so they don't come back

00:11:39.960 into the country a year or two later and start the whole process over again.

00:11:44.580 And also recommended creating administrative monetary penalties so that those who overstay

00:11:51.440 their welcome would have to pay Canada back if they want to start their migration process again.

00:12:01.580 A new study has found that students at Alberta's charter schools scored significantly higher on

00:12:08.260 provincial achievement tests than their government-run counterparts.

00:12:11.900 The study, conducted by 2ndstreet.org, examined 22 provincial achievement tests written between 2022 and 2024.

00:12:22.040 It found that charter school students outperformed those in traditional public and Catholic schools

00:12:28.460 on every test across all subjects and grades.

00:12:32.220 On average, charter students scored 9.3 points higher than public school students and 7.7 points higher than Catholic school students.

00:12:42.360 Bakhtis Barua, 2ndstreet.org's research director and author of the study, said, quote,

00:12:48.500 ask any parent if they want their child to go to a school where students tend to score nearly 10 points higher on average,

00:12:56.300 and the answer is obvious.

00:12:58.200 The provincial government will want to think about how it can help more kids access these high-performing schools.

00:13:04.400 This study found the largest gap in grade 9 mathematics, where charter students scored 14.1 percentage points higher than public school students in 2024.

00:13:17.320 The smallest gap was in grade 6 science, where results were 6.2 points higher than Catholic schools.

00:13:24.480 So, Waleed, people in Alberta might not actually know what charter schools are.

00:13:29.340 So, can you explain, you know, what are charter schools, and what could explain why they are performing better than these government-run institutions in the province?

00:13:39.760 Well, Clayton, a charter school, by definition, is a school that is independent but receives public funding.

00:13:45.800 I think charter schools are essentially a product of the broader school choice movement,

00:13:50.220 which was heavily influenced by my favorite economist, Milton Friedman, and his work.

00:13:54.840 They're tuition-free public schools that operate independently from that of traditional public schools that are regulated by,

00:14:03.140 for example, the Catholic School Board, the Public School Board, the French School Board,

00:14:07.240 and the other school boards we have across provinces in Canada.

00:14:10.920 Now, what makes them very successful for students' performance is that students are able to get more curated,

00:14:18.080 individualized, and specialized education packages and opportunities,

00:14:22.040 because, again, the school itself is independent.

00:14:24.940 So, it's Board of Accountability, not a school board governing a region of thousands, if not millions of students,

00:14:32.140 but rather dealing with the parents and the kids and the community itself.

00:14:37.260 Of course, in different communities, different skills, different social education will be much more beneficial than in others,

00:14:44.660 and that's where things become more helpful.

00:14:46.680 You have, for example, programs like the IB, programs like exchange student programs, or travel abroad,

00:14:54.500 all kinds of new innovative methods of getting students the best opportunity in their youth to learn and grow.

00:15:00.660 These schools typically bring in a higher proportion, because, again, they're able to wage programs

00:15:06.460 according to the needs of their own student population, rather than sharing a kind of a maximized, centrally governed model.

00:15:15.520 Now, one of the criticisms that normally level against those that are not very much in favor of school choice,

00:15:21.480 or, frankly, charter schools for that matter, are people that believe that charter schools essentially favor those

00:15:27.520 that are already in privileged situations, maybe those that come from a high-income family or an upper-middle-class background.

00:15:34.300 And the fact of the matter is, regardless of income, or in the case that we know we're living in the DEI era,

00:15:42.360 where race will always be a part of conversations, even if they don't need be,

00:15:47.640 the Sanford University's Hoover Institute actually published a major national study back in 2023,

00:15:54.060 when they showed that the, and they used data based from 29 different states,

00:16:00.560 including the District of Columbia and New York City specifically as well,

00:16:05.120 the typical charter school student had been found to have greater math and reading gains

00:16:11.860 that outpaced those peers in traditional public schools,

00:16:16.280 but also those learning gains were significantly higher among blacks and Hispanics and those living in poverty.

00:16:24.240 So the gain between public and private across the board is significant,

00:16:28.180 but it's even more significant in terms of how we can bridge the gap and take people's potential higher

00:16:33.320 when you're looking at people from low-income backgrounds or from, as we would say in the woke sense,

00:16:37.980 racialized communities.

00:16:39.180 So it completely blows the narrative out of the water of the one-size-fits-all,

00:16:43.320 public-funded, public-regulation, government-run, typical traditional schools.

00:16:49.320 I think charter schools have a great benefit here in Canada,

00:16:52.160 where we have a bit more school choice than in the U.S.,

00:16:54.420 but across the border, both charter schools, compared to public schools,

00:16:59.760 have won the battle across the two countries.

00:17:02.640 So clearly, this is a model that should definitely be considered in adopting more

00:17:07.380 when education becomes a forefront topic of public policy.

00:17:14.060 That's it for today, folks.

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Carney dodges questions on what Canadians must “sacrifice” for budget

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