Juno News - October 24, 2025


Carney dodges questions on what Canadians must “sacrifice” for budget


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A top border security official reveals the Canadian government's annual deportation targets, a new study finds Alberta's charter schools are outperforming the province's government-run public schools, and Prime Minister Mark Carney refuses to tell reporters what he meant when he warned Canadians they would have to make sacrifices ahead of his upcoming federal budget.

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00:00:00.000 Prime Minister Mark Carney refused to tell reporters what he meant when he warned Canadians
00:00:09.840 they would have to make sacrifices ahead of his long-anticipated federal budget.
00:00:15.800 A top border security official revealed the Canadian Border Services Agency's annual
00:00:20.460 deportation targets, which would cover less than 10% of the total number of people facing
00:00:25.220 removal orders.
00:00:26.320 A new study found that Alberta's charter schools significantly outperformed the province's
00:00:32.620 government-run public schools in recent years.
00:00:36.080 Hello Canada, it's Friday, October 24th, and this is the True North Daily Brief.
00:00:41.200 I'm Clayton DeMaine.
00:00:42.460 And I'm Willie Tim-Tim.
00:00:43.960 We've got you covered with all the news you need to know.
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00:00:52.540 Prime Minister Mark Carney avoided answering what he is calling on Canadians to, quote,
00:01:01.580 sacrifice with his upcoming budget plan.
00:01:05.420 During a speech ahead of the Liberals' federal budget given to students in Ottawa on Wednesday,
00:01:12.280 Carney told Canadians, quote,
00:01:14.040 Just a day later in Bowmanville, Ontario, Carney avoided answering what sacrifices he expects
00:01:29.620 Canadians to make.
00:01:30.640 He began answering the question of what things he warned Canadians will, quote,
00:01:35.900 have to do less of during his remarks again on Thursday, but quickly pivoted, saying he'll
00:01:42.860 save those announcements for when the budget is released.
00:01:46.800 Conservatives have been calling on Carney to release a budget since he was elected.
00:01:51.660 Carney has promised the budget will be released on November 4th.
00:01:54.900 You just said in your remarks, and you said it last night in your speech as well,
00:01:59.420 that we'll have to do less of some of the things that we want to do.
00:02:02.880 So what are some of those things, Prime Minister?
00:02:05.420 Well, look, we'll have a budget, and all aspects of the budget will reveal that.
00:02:12.860 We'll have to move more slowly on certain aspects of, well, you know what?
00:02:20.640 I think we should, why don't I not scoop the budget, and we'll let it come out through the budget.
00:02:25.860 Carney promised to continue funding federal health transfers to provinces for their health
00:02:31.680 care systems, child care support, dental care, and national school food program to help the,
00:02:39.400 quote, most vulnerable in Canadian society.
00:02:42.320 He said, quote,
00:02:43.320 There's certain demands or desires to expand in different areas,
00:02:47.960 and we won't be able to move as quickly as we otherwise would,
00:02:52.080 because there's certain things we must do to take back control and to build this country.
00:02:58.480 Carney also said that he would take, quote,
00:03:00.880 good ideas from opposition parties and incorporate them into the budget.
00:03:05.840 So, Waleed, Conservative leader Pierre Polyev had a press conference just moments after on Thursday.
00:03:12.020 I know you wrote about it.
00:03:13.460 So, what were some of the things that conservatives were saying in response to this?
00:03:18.220 Well, he kind of described Carney as a counterfeit conservative, apparently,
00:03:23.780 because he talked about how while there was some mention of austerity, cuts to spending,
00:03:31.040 and a commitment to cut down spending on the operational budget and balance it by the next three years,
00:03:38.000 I guess it offers little comfort to the conservative party's needs and demands,
00:03:45.380 specifically referring to the fact that he believes that this is just more of the same.
00:03:51.540 I mean, Pierre Polyev said himself that he's promising, or Carney, that is,
00:03:57.000 more suffering, more slogans, more bureaucracy, and more waste.
00:04:01.020 He also referred to the liberal decade and the fact that he hasn't actually reversed a single policy that has caused this pain.
00:04:09.620 Of course, the carbon tax are among those policies,
00:04:12.320 but we know that the carbon tax itself has been fully repealed as a law.
00:04:17.520 Also, what's a bit more deceptive for Canadians to understand
00:04:20.920 is that the operational budget commitment is actually a bit of a misleading metric,
00:04:26.920 because what you have now is you have this carny tactic of splitting the budget of the operating budget of the government
00:04:35.460 and the capital budget.
00:04:37.320 And that's actually something that Conservative MP Michael Cooper previously described as a creative accounting measure
00:04:43.000 in order to hide the real deficit of government spending, which is, as we know, significant.
00:04:49.260 Polyev later talked about how Canadians are losing their paychecks to inflation
00:04:53.440 and how homes are now leading to higher mortgage payments
00:04:58.180 and all this economic downturn is causing them to lose hope.
00:05:02.660 So we pretty much just said that Carney had no credibility
00:05:06.940 and that Carney is, quote, saying the right things, but does the opposite.
00:05:12.460 That's not considered, that's counterfeit.
00:05:14.540 So nothing in terms of praise for Polyev, much more critical response from him.
00:05:21.480 And of course, Pierre met with him, Mark Carney, on Wednesday and had pushed for some measures.
00:05:28.440 We're not sure what the budget will look like exactly just yet,
00:05:32.040 but as we're getting closer to the November 4th budget reveal,
00:05:36.280 it seems that the Conservative Party and Pierre Polyev aren't so supportive of Carney's message as of yet.
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00:06:57.980 A top border security official revealed that Canada plans to deport less than a tenth of those issued removal orders
00:07:04.700 annually for two years, citing an inability to track individuals on a, quote,
00:07:09.960 systematic level, and the vast majority of cases being delayed by the appeal process.
00:07:14.560 During the House of Commons Immigration Committee meeting on Wednesday,
00:07:17.600 Canada Border Services Agency, Vice President of Intelligence and Enforcement, Aaron McCrory,
00:07:22.820 told MPs the agency plans to enforce 20,000 removal orders each year.
00:07:29.540 McCrory said around 18,000 people have already been deported this year,
00:07:34.240 but that 200,000 to 300,000 individuals who have been issued removal orders
00:07:38.220 are currently being processed by the Immigration Refugee Board of Canada,
00:07:42.540 a federal appeals court, and it, quote,
00:07:44.960 Immigration Refugee Board of Canada, IRB,
00:07:47.740 a federal appeals court, and it, quote,
00:07:50.020 wouldn't make sense to track each of them.
00:07:52.520 McCrory also mentioned that some individuals from countries where Canada cannot deport people,
00:07:57.060 such as Haiti or Sudan, who have been declared inadmissible, quote,
00:08:01.680 can't be removed, and aren't considered cases the agency is, quote,
00:08:05.800 actively looking to work on to remove.
00:08:08.240 When answering a question from conservative MP Frank Davies about the CBSA's targets for removal
00:08:12.820 enforcement, McCrory clarified that there are currently 30,000 individuals marked as removals
00:08:18.140 in progress, but that the agency will only aim to deport two-thirds of those each year
00:08:23.160 for the next two years.
00:08:24.940 This means the agency has only deported 18,000 of the up to at least 330,000 individuals
00:08:30.920 who have been issued deportation orders.
00:08:33.700 So, Clayton, why are so few of those facing removal orders actually deported?
00:08:38.260 Well, Waleed, from what I gather from immigration experts and the testimonies at these immigration
00:08:44.080 committees from border security and immigration officials, it seems like the bulk of what is
00:08:50.220 preventing illegal migrants from being deported is the very systems Canada has to ensure due 0.59
00:08:56.940 process and the safety of those migrants.
00:08:59.220 And before I go on, there was a justice committee yesterday where the ratio said in the article
00:09:05.400 of those being deported versus how many have been ordered to be removed is even more stark.
00:09:11.420 So let's go to that clip now.
00:09:13.460 30,000 removals in progress of people we are engaging.
00:09:18.320 We have 32,000 warrants for people that we are looking for.
00:09:25.180 32, I beg your pardon?
00:09:27.060 There are 32,000 warrants?
00:09:29.440 People who are in our wanted inventory that we are actively looking for.
00:09:33.920 I'm sorry, you have...
00:09:35.640 And I'll point out, all of this is posted publicly.
00:09:40.200 These aren't secret numbers.
00:09:41.740 They're on the CBSA website.
00:09:43.360 So you know them, but the minister doesn't.
00:09:45.540 So if we take the high end of those numbers, including both the 30,000 who the CBSA said are
00:09:52.540 being engaged right now, and the 32,000 who have active warrants, but the CBSA are unaware of where
00:10:02.260 they are, and the 200,000 to 300,000 caught up in the delay system, the CBSA could have actually
00:10:11.260 only arrested less than 5% instead of less than 10%, as was originally said in the article.
00:10:18.820 But you know, as McCrory said during the committee, even if a migrant is ordered to leave,
00:10:25.680 they could appeal to both the Immigration and Refugees Board or a federal appeals court
00:10:31.460 to have the decisions overturned.
00:10:33.480 They could also ask for a pre-removal risk assessment with the hopes that Canada decides
00:10:39.860 they can't deport the person back to their country due to the potential for persecution
00:10:45.580 or other harms.
00:10:47.280 And it's only after all of that is done that a person could actually be deported.
00:10:51.760 And by that time, it's possible that those individuals are simply lost in Canada, like these 32,000 illegal
00:11:00.620 migrants that have active warrants. 0.93
00:11:03.080 But I spoke to immigration lawyer Sergio Caras last week about his recommendations to improve
00:11:09.460 this system.
00:11:10.600 And he noted that in the U.S., the government can just override the U.S. equivalent of these
00:11:16.280 tribunals and appeals courts and deport an illegal migrant they don't want in the country. 0.99
00:11:21.460 But Canada does not have that.
00:11:24.160 And, you know, historically, people who are even convicted terrorists have taken decades to be deported
00:11:29.820 through Canada's migration system.
00:11:33.360 And he suggested that travel bans be increased on people who have been deported so they don't come back
00:11:39.960 into the country a year or two later and start the whole process over again.
00:11:44.580 And also recommended creating administrative monetary penalties so that those who overstay
00:11:51.440 their welcome would have to pay Canada back if they want to start their migration process again.
00:12:01.580 A new study has found that students at Alberta's charter schools scored significantly higher on
00:12:08.260 provincial achievement tests than their government-run counterparts.
00:12:11.900 The study, conducted by 2ndstreet.org, examined 22 provincial achievement tests written between 2022 and 2024.
00:12:22.040 It found that charter school students outperformed those in traditional public and Catholic schools
00:12:28.460 on every test across all subjects and grades.
00:12:32.220 On average, charter students scored 9.3 points higher than public school students and 7.7 points higher than Catholic school students.
00:12:42.360 Bakhtis Barua, 2ndstreet.org's research director and author of the study, said, quote,
00:12:48.500 ask any parent if they want their child to go to a school where students tend to score nearly 10 points higher on average,
00:12:56.300 and the answer is obvious.
00:12:58.200 The provincial government will want to think about how it can help more kids access these high-performing schools.
00:13:04.400 This study found the largest gap in grade 9 mathematics, where charter students scored 14.1 percentage points higher than public school students in 2024.
00:13:17.320 The smallest gap was in grade 6 science, where results were 6.2 points higher than Catholic schools.
00:13:24.480 So, Waleed, people in Alberta might not actually know what charter schools are.
00:13:29.340 So, can you explain, you know, what are charter schools, and what could explain why they are performing better than these government-run institutions in the province?
00:13:39.760 Well, Clayton, a charter school, by definition, is a school that is independent but receives public funding.
00:13:45.800 I think charter schools are essentially a product of the broader school choice movement,
00:13:50.220 which was heavily influenced by my favorite economist, Milton Friedman, and his work.
00:13:54.840 They're tuition-free public schools that operate independently from that of traditional public schools that are regulated by,
00:14:03.140 for example, the Catholic School Board, the Public School Board, the French School Board,
00:14:07.240 and the other school boards we have across provinces in Canada.
00:14:10.920 Now, what makes them very successful for students' performance is that students are able to get more curated,
00:14:18.080 individualized, and specialized education packages and opportunities,
00:14:22.040 because, again, the school itself is independent.
00:14:24.940 So, it's Board of Accountability, not a school board governing a region of thousands, if not millions of students,
00:14:32.140 but rather dealing with the parents and the kids and the community itself.
00:14:37.260 Of course, in different communities, different skills, different social education will be much more beneficial than in others,
00:14:44.660 and that's where things become more helpful.
00:14:46.680 You have, for example, programs like the IB, programs like exchange student programs, or travel abroad,
00:14:54.500 all kinds of new innovative methods of getting students the best opportunity in their youth to learn and grow.
00:15:00.660 These schools typically bring in a higher proportion, because, again, they're able to wage programs
00:15:06.460 according to the needs of their own student population, rather than sharing a kind of a maximized, centrally governed model.
00:15:15.520 Now, one of the criticisms that normally level against those that are not very much in favor of school choice,
00:15:21.480 or, frankly, charter schools for that matter, are people that believe that charter schools essentially favor those
00:15:27.520 that are already in privileged situations, maybe those that come from a high-income family or an upper-middle-class background.
00:15:34.300 And the fact of the matter is, regardless of income, or in the case that we know we're living in the DEI era,
00:15:42.360 where race will always be a part of conversations, even if they don't need be,
00:15:47.640 the Sanford University's Hoover Institute actually published a major national study back in 2023,
00:15:54.060 when they showed that the, and they used data based from 29 different states,
00:16:00.560 including the District of Columbia and New York City specifically as well,
00:16:05.120 the typical charter school student had been found to have greater math and reading gains
00:16:11.860 that outpaced those peers in traditional public schools,
00:16:16.280 but also those learning gains were significantly higher among blacks and Hispanics and those living in poverty.
00:16:24.240 So the gain between public and private across the board is significant,
00:16:28.180 but it's even more significant in terms of how we can bridge the gap and take people's potential higher
00:16:33.320 when you're looking at people from low-income backgrounds or from, as we would say in the woke sense,
00:16:37.980 racialized communities.
00:16:39.180 So it completely blows the narrative out of the water of the one-size-fits-all,
00:16:43.320 public-funded, public-regulation, government-run, typical traditional schools.
00:16:49.320 I think charter schools have a great benefit here in Canada,
00:16:52.160 where we have a bit more school choice than in the U.S.,
00:16:54.420 but across the border, both charter schools, compared to public schools,
00:16:59.760 have won the battle across the two countries.
00:17:02.640 So clearly, this is a model that should definitely be considered in adopting more
00:17:07.380 when education becomes a forefront topic of public policy.
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