00:11:29.860I see them as a tool, the same as one would have, say, a snowblower or a chainsaw or a pickup truck.
00:11:35.840You have to use them responsibly, but I think that they're an essential element of Canadian culture, frankly, especially Western Canadian culture.
00:11:43.560Now, when we're getting into what's happening here, this is not going to affect all firearms owners.
00:11:50.300It is going to affect firearms owners who own specific kinds of guns.
00:11:54.480And I wanted to reiterate, a lot of folks in the media keep calling this thing a buyback.
00:12:12.280Do we have an estimation as to how many people, how many gun owners this is affecting, this rolling confiscation that it sounds like the federal government wants to go ahead with?
00:12:40.020So the government knows who has them and how many there are.
00:12:43.620And so for them to say, after all of these successive bans and all of the bans via variant status from the RCMP, that somehow the total number of affected firearms is 140,000 is ridiculous.
00:12:57.980It's probably, nobody knows for sure, because the overwhelming majority of these firearms are unregistered.
00:13:03.440The government doesn't know who has them or where they are or how many there are.
00:13:08.740But we think there should be somewhere maybe between half a million, 800,000, maybe up to over a million.
00:14:14.440We are going to get into the whole safety issue.
00:14:17.700We've got actually a spokesperson for the Toronto Police Association.
00:14:20.880So somebody who's in connection with the boys and girls in blue right on the front line.
00:14:24.940So we're going to get into the element that this doesn't make Canadians safer.
00:14:28.060What I wanted to focus in on with you, Rod, is how undemocratic and really unfair this is to have your lawfully purchased private property seized by the state at great expense to you.
00:14:42.740Keep in mind, the government doesn't have a magical money pot.
00:14:45.320But they're blowing taxpayers' money to do this, to set up these registries, to set up all the administration, to try to get the police, you know, who are already strapped for time and people, to try to go pick up these firearms.
00:14:59.280And there's also the element of sellers.
00:15:18.960So many, we have a business member program.
00:15:21.540And so we are in touch with a lot of people and we have longstanding relationships in the retail space as well.
00:15:27.680But yeah, they've had to hold on to all of this property that was banned by, you know, via OIC, Order and Council, by fiat, basically, for over half a decade.
00:15:40.600Now, some people probably were sitting on $100,000 worth of inventory.
00:15:45.500Many businesses use a line of credit to fund their inventory.
00:15:49.320So you can only imagine the situation that some of these retailers were in.
00:15:53.080And just going back to something you said about the long gun registry costing $2 billion instead of $2 million, you know, that's only 1,000 times over.
00:16:03.480So that's actually a pretty reasonable budget underestimate for the government.
00:16:08.520But I think one of the most important things for people to remember is this won't cost $750 million like the government, the highest estimate, the government thought.
00:16:20.340And the situation we're in now, that's borrowed money.
00:16:24.980So it will be borrowing $2 to $8 billion at interest.
00:16:29.360And again, not to step too much into your topic, but I think people forget right now, Canada is paying $4 billion a month just in interest on the national debt.
00:17:02.500The interest just on the federal debt, we're not counting the provincial debts, just the federal government's debt is a billion dollars a week.
00:17:09.980So picture everybody gathering around on a Saturday night, and instead of watching hockey, we burn down a hospital, build it up brand new, wait, don't send anybody in yet, burn it down instead.
00:17:21.920That's how much we are spending on the interest on the debt.
00:17:25.440So exactly to your point, Rod, the federal government is now thinking that we're going to borrow more money to go out and confiscate and compensate these law-abiding firearms owners.
00:17:38.680Now, I know a lot of the viewers of the Candace Malcolm show will be, will have their PAL.
00:17:43.900They will have firearms licenses, but if you can speak to their brother-in-law and their sisters and people who perhaps aren't in what I would call the gun world, the law-abiding gun world.
00:17:56.160Can you explain to them why this is important?
00:18:00.360Why should non-firearms owners, which there are many in Canada, care about the fact that tons of people are getting their property seized by the government?
00:18:10.320It's not so much that they have to care about it.
00:18:13.060They have to transfer the same set of values that they do for everything else in our society over to people that lawfully own firearms.
00:18:20.940So in Canada, there's a very strict system that is in place to regulate legal firearms.
00:18:44.820Same thing with some long guns like AR-15s.
00:18:47.500All this stuff is very, very tightly regulated.
00:18:49.680And I think what a lot of people miss is civilian firearm, private firearm ownership is a feature of free societies where you are not a slave.
00:19:32.700But the first reaction of the government or the public isn't like, you know, obviously people shouldn't own cars or they should only go to and from specific places with permission of the government.
00:19:50.400When there was a van attack in Toronto and the if the van attack was a multiple victim public shooting, of which we've had very few in Canadian history.
00:20:01.960You know, you would think that that people would be up in arms like, why can you take eighty dollars down to the van rental place with just a driver's license and drive away with a van?
00:20:55.820Because these are not, you know, if you think of a golf club as a hobby, but at the worst moment in your life, when no one's there to help you, this tool, this sport shooting or hunting tool can save your life.
00:21:08.360So this makes them extremely, extremely valuable property people.
00:21:25.080And licensed gun owners do not represent a disproportionate risk to public safety.
00:21:29.060And then the other side, sorry for going on, but this is important and it takes more than a couple of soundbites to explain it.
00:21:34.600When you're talking about bans or further restrictions or buybacks as were confiscation programs, you're not just taking guns from people that didn't do anything to deserve it.
00:21:48.480You're destroying a culture that is older than Canada itself and that represents billions in real estate and billions in property improvements and taking away the central hub, the community hub in a community that that's at least 2.5 million people strong.
00:22:05.880So there's there are many moving parts.
00:22:08.200It's not so it's it's not a simple situation.
00:22:11.380And it is devastating to the people that, again, haven't done anything to deserve it.
00:22:40.240In Canada, the machine gun that you will see on like a Rambo movie or something where the person just holds down the trigger and sprays bullets, those have been big time illegal since before I was born.
00:22:58.320So the full auto thing like that, that is not accepted in Canada.
00:23:04.360Those are not what the government is banning.
00:23:07.640When people say, oh, they're banning semi-automatics.
00:23:10.700Okay, what a semi-automatic means in normal people talk is if you've got your firearm up, it's squeeze, bang, squeeze, bang.
00:23:21.540You have to pull the trigger every time.
00:23:24.200There's no holding your finger down and spraying rounds at people.
00:23:28.280So like this is where I do think there's a big education gap between the folks who understand normal, safe, law-abiding firearms ownerships with all of our trigger locks and our gun safes and all of our background checks.
00:23:42.360Okay, when you go even just for your regular pal, okay, your regular, you know, non-restricted, if you want to own a rifle or a shotgun, they phone your ex-boyfriends and girlfriends.
00:23:53.120Okay, like they do a really thorough background check to make sure things are all in the up and up.
00:23:59.020So all that said, can you please describe for people what kinds and styles, I think is the better term, of firearms the federal government is trying to confiscate?
00:24:10.640So the most important thing is assault weapons, they don't exist in Canada.
00:24:15.420The only people that have assault weapons, as you're describing, full autos, right?
00:24:19.120Hold the trigger and the firearm continues to discharge bullets, right?
00:24:24.560Those, it was actually the late 70s that those were banned.
00:24:32.560And the only people that have those are movie armorers and museums, basically, and the police and the military, of course.
00:24:38.620And then a handful of people that had a specific status, like even me, I'm too young to have gotten a prohibitive license, a prohibited firearms license.
00:24:51.720I have so much experience with the legacy media in Canada, showing stories about the so-called buyback and the Bill C-71 and Bill C-21 and all these different, all this different legislation and orders in council.
00:25:07.600And then while they're talking about these measures, they show full autos in the United States being discharged.
00:25:14.720Like when you say education gap, it truly is propaganda.
00:25:18.260And of course, it's wildly frustrating.
00:25:20.440So these guns that are being banned are a wide variety of guns.
00:25:24.460So you have regular semi-autos that look like machine guns, but just aren't.
00:25:29.060And these are guns that have been tested by the RCMP to make sure that they couldn't be easily converted to full autos.
00:25:35.180Okay, these are tried and true guns that we've had for decades upon decades in Canada.
00:25:40.680Then hunting rifles and target shooting rifles that are too powerful.
00:25:45.360So they say over 10,000 joules, but basically you look and they're like, you know, big game African hunting rifles.
00:25:52.400So there's a wide variety of different firearms that fall under their assault style, you know, ban.
00:26:00.080And some of them are even single shot rifles.
00:26:04.120There are even some shotguns are too dangerous to own.
00:26:07.900So it is, they continue to call them assault weapons.
00:26:10.780And they even can, they tried to call them assault style weapons.
00:26:15.940Anyway, I don't know if anyone, a lot of people bought into that, but there are no assault weapons in Canada.
00:26:21.520So these are firearms that are held by people like me that I use for target shooting or training or recreational shooting or what have you.
00:26:32.700And it's government overreach in the extreme.
00:26:35.620Some of it, I'm glad you described it with the mainstream media.
00:26:39.060That's why I belabored the point of like, this is, this is not, you know, I love me a Stallone flick, but this is not a Stallone flick that's happening here in Canada.
00:26:47.960Not from law abiding firearms owners anyway.
00:26:50.560I wanted to get into exactly what you guys are fighting and what you guys are proposing.
00:26:54.720Because you mentioned the old, you know, I would say, you know, more restricted firearms licenses.
00:27:01.980In some cases, way back in the day, again, before I was born, thank you.
00:27:07.280There were some of those firearms that were then grandfathered in.
00:27:12.820Are, is that what your organization is looking at with some of these versions of the firearms, which are mostly cosmetic?
00:27:20.120I will point out like they're, they're finding ones that have like the removable, you know, stock so you can shorten it, which a lot of women use by the way, because it makes it easier for shorter arms.
00:27:38.880So what is the CCFR doing as far as negotiating with the federal government?
00:27:45.080Are, are you guys looking at like a grandfathering in to try to get the government to back off on this?
00:27:51.820Well, the government is marching forward with their buyback and we have information that they, they are.
00:27:56.780And I, we really, we released a video, uh, I don't know, but a week and a half ago and basically where the situation that gun owners are in is we've been fighting this since May 1st, 2020.
00:28:10.340We sued the government in the largest lawsuit in the history of Canada for, on behalf of gun owners.
00:28:16.400Uh, we took the government to federal court.
00:29:03.600If the conservative would, conservatives would have won, all of this would have been being unwound as we speak.
00:29:10.060So unfortunately the, uh, CCFR still alone, but we were actually the fifth largest third party advertiser in the entire country, including unions and, you know, all the rest of that stuff.
00:29:21.300So we took a real swing at them during the election.
00:29:23.680Now they're moving forward with their buyback because they won again.
00:29:26.480I wish more people had jumped in, um, not to be too self-serving, but more people had jumped in during the election.
00:29:33.820Maybe we wouldn't be having this conversation, but as a last ditch effort to total confiscation over the span of one year, we said, Hey, government, there's an opportunity for you not to spend all this money for you to leave all the good people alone.
00:30:15.700Gun owners could be not victimized at least at, at the extent that they would for, with immediate confiscation, which is what the government is rolling out.
00:30:22.900And then it's also to us, the most important delay tactic.
00:30:27.380We need to keep physical possession of these firearms so that there's something to roll back.
00:30:33.060Should there be another election sitting around waiting for total confiscation is not an option.
00:30:49.000That's why we rolled out a suggestion of grandfathering and grandfathering has now been rejected.
00:30:53.220They want to go forward with their multi-billion dollar program to take guns from me whilst people get shot in the street with illegal guns.
00:32:23.820And I don't want to get too inflammatory about it, but I think people should just think about that and, and see where this government is going.
00:32:30.120We are going to be speaking with a spokesperson for the Toronto Police Association, who I will point out as a group are being brave by speaking up about this.
00:32:39.760Usually police are hesitant to wade into things like this.
00:32:43.880They're pretty stoic in my experience.
00:32:45.120But they're actually speaking up basically to, to summarize what they're saying is, Hey, it's not the sport shooters and the hunters and the law abiding firearms owners that we're having trouble with here on the streets of Toronto.
00:32:57.580It's the gang bangers with the illegal guns, which are often smuggled across the border.
00:33:03.660I know that is no surprise to any rational person who's listening right now, but it's really important.
00:33:09.160I think, uh, to have a respected law enforcement organization like the Toronto Police Association speak up, um, on an issue like this.
00:33:18.140Are you hearing from other, uh, police officer groups saying, Hey, yeah, we have a gun problem in Canada, but it's not with the duck hunters.
00:33:28.000I mean, even the national police Federation, uh, had put out a statement.
00:33:31.400And that's the union that represents all of the frontline police officers of the RCMP, which is one, I think one of the biggest police agencies on the planet because a national force, obviously.
00:33:42.040But even there, you know, these are frontline people.
00:33:44.460These are the people that have to deal with people wielding firearms in a, in a criminal manner.
00:33:49.740And even they are like, just leave the, leave the, the licensed gun owners alone.
00:33:54.500But the government isn't listening to police.
00:33:56.440They only listen to police when the police, when the police are saying something that works for them.
00:34:01.400When the police are saying something that, that goes against their politics or their ideological pursuits, then it's like, well, we don't listen to police.
00:34:08.340So, you know, good for Toronto police for standing up good for the national police Federation and the countless other police forces.
00:34:15.900Although there are some that have signed agreements with the federal government for money, for funding to roll out this confiscation program.
00:34:40.420It's for the record, uh, Alberta premier, Daniel Smith has instructed, uh, saying her province isn't going to be putting taxpayers money into this.
00:34:48.320So that was, that was nice to hear, uh, Rod, that's all the time we have, uh, where can people find your work?
00:34:55.100If they want to tune into your show, if they want to jump on board the advocacy train, if they want to speak up for law abiding firearms owners, because you may not own a firearm today, it may not affect you today, but it could be your gas powered car next week.
00:35:59.200We are also in this fight from, of course, the financial angle, because as he pointed out with the debt, we do not have the money to spend on things like this.
00:36:36.940We're here to confiscate your property.
00:36:38.300Or even if people are safely coming up to the police station saying, here, I'm here to, you know, allow the state to take away my property.
00:37:08.520This is not trying to combat the actual street level gang crime that people are seeing with handguns, which are illegally brought over often from across the border in the United States.
00:37:22.000We hear time and time again from police organizations saying, um, yeah, we have a gun problem, but we don't have a gun problem with the normal law abiding firearms owners.
00:37:32.860Who are out there as sport shooters and hunters.
00:37:45.640He is the president of the Toronto Police Association.
00:37:49.600Basically what that is, is the union representing the frontline guys and gals in blue on the streets of Toronto who work as police officers.
00:38:15.420Now, the reason why we invited you on the show is because I saw your statement posted on X and we can probably pull it up here just to kind of summarize.
00:38:25.380You're basically saying here, if I put on my glasses in the city of Toronto, which is the focal point for a lot of the conversation around gun violence, it will have little to zero impact on firearm crime.
00:38:37.240We're seeing in the city, it is a small number of gangs or organized crime members involved in firearm violence in the city, and it is not legal gun owners.
00:38:48.400Now, of course you're referencing there, the so-called buyback program that is being rolled out by the federal government.
00:38:54.700Um, as a law abiding firearms owner, I would describe it more as a confiscation rollout, uh, but for argument's sake, let's call it the buyback.
00:39:02.860Why did you feel it was important to speak up against this form of the buyback?
00:39:09.120Yeah, I mean, since I've taken this role and you mentioned, I'm so fortunate I get to represent about 8,600 members, their police officers, special constables, dispatchers, our IT people all across, uh, the great men and women that keep Toronto safe each and every day.
00:39:26.220And the firearm, uh, issue in the city of Toronto is really the focal point when it comes across all of, of Canada.
00:39:33.900And so it's important to talk about the things that actually work and the things that don't work.
00:39:38.340And what we find in the city of Toronto is that last year, uh, our great, uh, men and women seized about 700 illegal guns in the city.
00:39:47.900Uh, about 90% of those were sourced, uh, to the United States illegally from the United States.
00:39:53.720The other 10% are, were probably from the U S but very difficult to source everything.
00:39:58.600If there's, if you're a gun owner, serial numbers scratched off, uh, things of that sort.
00:40:03.360So what we found, it is not legal gun owners.
00:40:06.660It's certainly not hunters or target shooters.
00:40:08.860They're involved in crimes in the city of Toronto.
00:40:11.480It's a small number of thugs, criminal, uh, gangs, organized crime that are involved in terrorizing, uh, our great city.
00:40:21.320And really, we thought that that's a waste of resources to, to spend that amount of money on this gun buyback program.
00:40:27.280And we can think of many ways it could be spent that would actually keep, uh, the city of Toronto safe.
00:40:33.360You know, as a firearms owner and I've got, uh, law enforcement in my family, I'm just trying to picture what that would look like.
00:40:40.420Trying to get Toronto police or any other police, uh, team trying to confiscate the otherwise legal property of law abiding gun owners.
00:40:51.460Just, you know, the man hours or the, the people hours involved in this of, you know, would you have to go door to door?
00:41:00.940I mean, these are a lot of the times they're unrestricted firearms.
00:41:03.760So we, we don't, we don't know where they are.
00:41:06.820Uh, and really just a waste of resources in my opinion, uh, in, in the city of Toronto, we've seen luckily an increase of investment in public safety.
00:41:14.940Well, we've seen, uh, the city of Toronto and our police services board, that's the employer for all of our members start to reinvest, uh, in the city of Toronto and in public safety, uh, after many years of defunding the police.
00:41:27.600So we're starting to head it in the right direction, but we're not there yet.
00:41:31.460Uh, we still take a long time to get the radio calls.
00:41:33.820We're still short staffed in many areas of the service.
00:41:36.500So it would really be, uh, uh, a ridiculous use of resources.
00:41:41.620And what we really need to focus on in the city.
00:41:44.000And I think the federal government does is on the legal, uh, use of firearms by bad guys, not live by any citizens.
00:41:52.460And I think a lot of the time it's just a, a lack of understanding from people that maybe don't possess firearms.
00:41:58.080They hear something like we're going to ban guns and someone that doesn't have any interaction with guns would think, okay, then just no one's going to have guns and no one's going to get shot.
00:42:08.480The reality of it is only the bad guys don't follow the rules.
00:42:11.700And what you're going to be doing is really punishing law abiding citizens instead of focusing on, uh, the bad guys that are causing the violence in our city.
00:42:40.980Uh, we just had an eight year old, uh, it was just a horrible story, uh, shot and killed while he was sleeping in his, uh, bed, eight years old.
00:43:15.680Um, to your point, I'm just going to go out on a limb here.
00:43:18.880Uh, you mentioned the person likely responsible.
00:43:22.740It's also likely that they're already known to police, right?
00:43:25.960It's also likely that that person already has a rap sheet.
00:43:30.340And frankly, you know, as a taxpayer, a lot of people forget we already have a lot of these resources there.
00:43:36.520Like the laws are supposed to be on the books.
00:43:38.700The bad guys are supposed to stay away from the good guys.
00:43:41.800Can you, can you expand on that a little bit?
00:43:44.660Like what would actually help the frontline police keep people more safe in places like Toronto and not have something like this cumbersome government heavy buyback program against law abiding normal firearms owners?
00:45:18.660We have a super supportive provincial government.
00:45:21.280A conservative government led by premier Doug Ford, who is very supportive of public safety and our members.
00:45:27.540And, uh, we're hoping in the fall, we'll see some changes, uh, to the criminal code to keep these, uh, these thugs in jail.
00:45:34.260I have to stress as a spokesperson for the taxpayers federation, I need to repeat all of this money is being spent anyway.
00:45:41.280Like the police are being paid, you know, the prisons are being run, all of this stuff is already on the books.
00:45:46.560It's all at taxpayers' expense, but the cost of the time of the rotating in and out and in and out and in and out and having the same group of people, in some cases, just a small handful of people causing thousands of crimes over and over again is a huge strain on the public purse.
00:46:06.160And this whole buyback program thing, we've had experts speaking from even universities guesstimating that this is going to cost more than a billion dollars with a B.
00:46:16.100And again, to your point, you're going to have, you're going to have police officers being tasked, maybe going door to door.
00:46:21.640And I just have this picture in my head, even if they don't have to go door to door, say you have a law abiding firearms owner show up at the police station, walk into the foyer saying, um, Hey guys, I have something in my trunk.
00:46:34.080Like the amount of paperwork that that would incur, correct?
00:46:38.100Yeah. And I mean, uh, I, we, we support, uh, and you look in city of Toronto, our mayor, um, is in it from the NDP party.
00:46:46.840We have a, uh, federal, uh, liberal party.
00:46:49.760We have the conservative provincial party.
00:46:51.300We work with anybody, but we base, uh, our arguments on truth and evidence.
00:46:56.920And we know that the gun buyback program is going to have essentially zero impact on the crime in Toronto.
00:47:02.560Uh, there's lots of better ways that we can invest, uh, taxpayers money.
00:47:07.340Uh, clearly there's a problem at the border when we're seeing 90% of the illegal firearm seized source to the U S clearly a problem there.
00:47:15.840And we can definitely use the resources to, uh, hunt down these, these criminals, check on those that are in bail.
00:47:23.000And like you mentioned, it's a revolving door in and out of, of custody.
00:47:27.580It's the same individuals, and it's very expensive to continue to arrest them.
00:47:31.940Uh, the legal costs behind it, the court costs behind it.
00:47:47.940Lastly, and, uh, I don't want you to have to get too political on this or speculate, but we have heard prime minister, Mark Carney, in his own words, describe himself as a pragmatist.
00:47:57.720Um, as a long time political analyst, I've been in the game for a long time.
00:48:02.040It's frankly easy for the new person to say, you know what?
00:48:10.820I'm going to drop this, this, and this.
00:48:12.920Are you hopeful that this could be dropped, that they could start focusing more on keeping bad guys in jail, on strengthening the border, reducing the amount of illegal guns coming across the border and flooding places like Toronto?
00:48:31.680We, we did support the federal conservatives in the last election.
00:48:34.620It was purely around their public safety platform.
00:48:37.700They've been talking about bail reform, uh, for a long time, and we were very supportive of it.
00:48:43.540I'll say we at least heard in the throne speech conversation around bail.
00:48:48.940Um, so my job is to advocate on behalf of the members, uh, that I represent and also really the citizens of Toronto, uh, to make sure they're safe.
00:48:57.720So we're speaking with conservative MPs and liberal MPs right now.
00:49:01.740We had a meeting yesterday with a conservative MP talking about some changes to the criminal code.
00:49:05.740We're going to be meeting with Sean Frazier, the minister of, of justice.
00:49:09.180Um, so we have to continue to advocate whoever is in power, uh, to try and bring for forward some reforms that are going to keep the citizens safe and, uh, a gun buyback program isn't going to do that.
00:49:21.140And we can, like I said, think of many areas that we'd rather redirect those funds to actually keep, uh, the citizens of Toronto safe.
00:49:29.240I know we're out of time and I know that many of our viewers are really happy to hear what you're saying here.
00:49:34.440Is there any way for them to support what you're saying or to spread that message to make sure that their elected officials hear what you're saying?
00:49:43.380I mean, we live in a democracy, right?
00:49:44.900So you, we can hold the politicians accountable, let them know, um, really what they're believing in.
00:49:51.100And I think one of the challenges is a lack of understanding for people that are not involved in firearms, not involved in law enforcement.
00:49:57.860Um, and when they hear, like I mentioned earlier, uh, we're just going to ban guns.
00:50:03.100They, they think, okay, then we're going to have no guns.
00:50:05.920It's, it's really the reality of it is that it's the criminals that are already in possession of illegal guns when they don't have a license.
00:50:13.460So I think it's really, uh, important to educate everybody, you know, look, most people living in an urban environment in the city of Toronto have never shot a gun or been a hunter or a target shot.
00:50:24.080So we can't really blame them for not understanding.
00:50:26.560So I think there needs to be an education piece and that's what I'm trying to do based on evidence and things that are actually going to work in listening to the over 8,000 members that are out there every day, keeping, uh, the citizens of Toronto safe.
00:50:38.920Clayton Campbell, president of the Toronto police association, representing the frontline police officers and peace officers there in Toronto.
00:50:47.620Thank you so much for your time today.
00:51:25.720And you just heard directly from a spokesperson who represents, you know, a huge number of police officers on Canada's, the streets of Canada's biggest city.
00:51:36.460That we do have a gun problem in Canada, but it is illegal guns coming from the United States.
00:51:44.140And that if we're going to spend taxpayers' money fixing what is actually the gun problem, it shouldn't be going after confiscating normal law-abiding firearms owners' property.
00:51:54.380We should direct those resources into actual street-level crime prevention and thickening that border to make sure that guns like these are not coming into the country in the first place.
00:52:06.740So it's really important for you right now to head over to Juno News, become a subscriber if you're not one already, and most importantly, share this story.
00:52:17.780Send this video to your MP, to your MLA, to your family and friends.
00:52:23.720Make sure they know that the police themselves are saying this current gun confiscation thing is not going to work.