Juno News - Carney ENDORSES carbon taxes while PANDERING to global elites

00:00:00.000 Welcome to The Candace Malcolm Show. My name is Chris Sims. I'm the Alberta Director for the

00:00:08.100 Canadian Taxpayers Federation, sitting in Candace's chair for the next few days. Thank you so much for

00:00:13.140 making us a part of your new week. If you haven't done so yet, be sure to like this video, subscribe

00:00:19.040 to the channel, and most importantly, share it with your friends. Now, this kind of slipped under

00:00:24.760 the radar, and I really think it's important for all of our Juno News viewers to know what's going

00:00:31.460 on. Prime Minister Mark Carney had jetted over to England on Friday, and he was at some big fancy

00:00:40.640 mucky-muck globalist summit called the Global Progress Action Summit. Now, that sounds kind of

00:00:47.980 boring, but it's really important that we pay attention to this stuff because this is where

00:00:54.160 all of these jet-setting politicians get together, and it's kind of like high school, but with your

00:01:01.400 money and a lot of power over you, and they get together, and they start chit-chatting, and they

00:01:07.420 start trying to one-up each other on stuff like banning the sale of normal gasoline and diesel-powered

00:01:14.320 vehicles. If somebody were from British Columbia or Vancouver, for example, they'd probably be bragging

00:01:20.460 about the fact that they're banning new homes being built with natural gas furnaces in them. Yeah,

00:01:27.520 check that out in Vancouver. So, it's summits like these where these terrible, expensive, big government

00:01:35.600 ideas are hatched, so it's super important for us to pay attention to them. I have a clip here for you,

00:01:42.180 okay? It is Mark Carney, Prime Minister of Canada, who just so happens to be on stage with the Prime

00:01:49.780 Minister of the UK, Keir Starmer. This is just after Keir Starmer made his big announcement that

00:01:58.060 made big news about digital ID in England, in his country. Now, what Carney says here is super

00:02:05.420 important. You have to listen to the whole thing. It's about a minute long, and he chit-chats about

00:02:10.600 Karl Marx a little bit, so keep listening. At the very end, he calls carbon taxes textbook good policy.

00:02:20.440 Listen to this. You know, the reality of what you inherited, going 15 years without real wages,

00:02:28.600 without people getting ahead. Like, the last time that happened was the middle of the 19th century.

00:02:33.740 Karl Marx was writing the Communist Manifesto in the British Library. I mean, there is a connection

00:02:38.380 there. So you've got to deliver real wage growth, first and foremost. And so, similar to in Australia,

00:02:45.580 slightly different measures. First thing we did is we cut taxes for the middle class. We cut taxes for 0.84

00:02:50.900 22 million Canadians. Boom. Right away, first thing we did, we cut a tax for effectively for young 0.71

00:02:57.800 Canadians when they're buying their first time home. Cut taxes on carbon, which was also the direct

00:03:05.260 carbon tax, which had become a divisive issue. It was a, you know, in textbook, a good policy,

00:03:11.900 but a divisive issue. So... Do you hear that? Textbook good policy. Now, the reason I'm trying

00:03:20.160 to hammer this thing home is twofold. One, Mark Carney loves carbon taxes. Like, here, I've got his book

00:03:27.460 here. He wrote an entire book, okay? Praising carbon taxes, like global carbon taxes. So, one, Carney still

00:03:37.340 loves carbon taxes. And do you notice how he kind of looked a little bit apologetic there in front of

00:03:42.300 all of his little progressive friends on the stage? He had to kind of account for that. So, he still

00:03:47.780 loves carbon taxes and he's going to hit us with new ones. He said so, to be fair, he said so out loud

00:03:55.500 during the election campaign. He said he wasn't going to axe the tax, which he found funny. He's

00:04:02.020 going to change the carbon tax. So, right now, we're in kind of a lull. We're kind of in a phony war

00:04:08.400 moment right now because he did get rid of the consumer carbon tax. That's why, typically, it's

00:04:14.240 about 20 cents cheaper per liter of gasoline, on average, in most gas stations across Canada than it

00:04:20.980 was a year ago. So, it's gone, but he's still cooking up the new industrial carbon tax. And the

00:04:27.420 new industrial carbon tax is going to be a big one. How big? Well, it was big enough for the steel

00:04:34.300 workers and the pipe workers' trade unions to be so worried about it for their steel plants in Hamilton

00:04:41.060 that they endorsed the Conservatives during the last election. That was the first time I've ever seen

00:04:47.180 something like that. So, the industrial carbon tax, it's coming. They're still cooking it, and it's

00:04:53.280 coming. Second, the other reason I wanted to really hammer this home is because, like I said, it's at

00:04:59.020 global-y summits where they all get together and they eat beef carpaccio and canapes and stuff all on

00:05:04.380 your dime, okay? It's at these summits where bad ideas start. And one of the original bad ideas

00:05:12.840 was carbon taxes. Now, Conservative leader and opposition leader, Pierre Polyev, he took a little

00:05:19.680 bit of heat about a month or so ago when he came out and said, yeah, we're going to keep fighting

00:05:24.260 carbon taxes. Thank you very much. That's the right thing to do. And I would say some of the newer

00:05:30.720 kind of online influencers in this sphere, the ones who are arguing for more freedom and smaller

00:05:35.860 government, they're like, oh, that was the last campaign. Why are you talking about carbon taxes? No,

00:05:41.160 no, no, no, no. If you care about big government controlling your life and making you poor and

00:05:50.540 saying that you have to eat this or heat with this or drive this, carbon taxes are the OG of government

00:06:00.320 control. This all started way back. They were chatting about this at the Rio summits. If you don't

00:06:06.860 know what that is, Google it, look it up. So Pierre Polyev is absolutely right to continually fight

00:06:13.900 carbon taxes. And Mark Carney is just waiting to hit us with new ones. It's going to be an industrial

00:06:20.780 carbon tax. And keep in mind, he's still hanging on to carbon tax tariffs. He calls them border

00:06:28.880 adjustment mechanisms. What that means is this. Mark Carney looks around the world, okay, like you can see

00:06:35.440 right on the front of his book here. Okay. That's the planet with scaffolding around it. Because

00:06:40.040 they're going to fix it, of course, for all of our benefit. He looks around the world. He finds a

00:06:45.400 country that doesn't have a carbon tax, like a national carbon tax. And that upsets him. That upsets

00:06:52.260 Mark Carney so much that when an import comes into Canada from one of those big bad countries with no

00:06:58.640 federal carbon tax, he's going to slap a tariff on that stuff. Yeah, he said so during the election

00:07:05.280 campaign, that this is his plan. He doesn't put it that way. He cloaks it in newspeak and calls it a border

00:07:10.660 adjustment mechanism. Okay, that's a carbon tax tariff. Okay. So it's really important for folks to pay close

00:07:17.100 attention when the Prime Minister jets off to something. Now, most of the mainstream media will cover it in like,

00:07:23.520 oh, a happy yay isn't this neat, fluffy, he's going to a rugby game, blah, blah, blah. That's fine. It's okay

00:07:29.580 to enjoy nice things. But ask yourself what the real purpose of a lot of these meetings are. And it's

00:07:35.640 exactly stuff like this. It's being an apologist for carbon taxes, and cooking up new plans to control

00:07:43.180 your life and carbon taxes. Remember, dictate what kind of vehicle you can drive, what you can heat your

00:07:51.240 home with, and how expensive food is, because it hits trucking. Speaking of expensive, the federal

00:07:59.980 government is broke. We are out of money. We are in a major debt crisis. And the parliamentary budget

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00:08:47.960 Okay. So the parliamentary budget officer, Jason Jacques, he's the interim parliamentary budget

00:08:54.760 officer. So let's hope he's able to keep his job. The interim parliamentary budget officer made a lot of

00:09:00.520 headlines last week, and he did a great job at committee. That's where he was saying that the

00:09:05.820 amount of spending going on here and the deficit that he was estimating based on the numbers he has

00:09:10.940 right now was stupefying. So you probably saw that clip last week. But what you probably didn't see

00:09:17.940 was an excellent interview that he did on CPAC. And I wanted to bring this to you, the team here at

00:09:24.120 Juneau wanted to bring this to you, because he says something really important. You might hear some of

00:09:29.760 the spin coming from the federal government of, oh, this budget is going to be super crazy, ugly, bad

00:09:34.840 because of Donald Trump. Listen to this. If left on change, the fiscal path that the government's

00:09:41.820 currently on will definitely result in us being in quite a bit of trouble and having to make some

00:09:47.120 hard decisions. Now, in getting here, what do you attribute this to? Is this like Donald Trump's

00:09:53.220 trade policies, you know, the roosters coming home to nest? Or is this about government spending

00:09:58.800 priorities and not controlling it? I think it's kind of a little bit from column A and a little

00:10:03.720 bit from column B. So there definitely is an impact in comparison to our previous forecast. You can

00:10:09.440 definitely see the impact on the overall growth for the Canadian economy. A larger part of it is

00:10:16.140 the government policy decisions. So once again, that was interim parliamentary budget officer Jason

00:10:24.440 Jox. And he's mild mannered, as a lot of spokespeople in Ottawa are. But he he popped that bubble there

00:10:31.580 that was coming from the host. These are not the chickens coming home to roost. This is just really bad

00:10:38.080 fiscal policy. Because what about before Donald Trump? Oh, was that because of the lockdowns and COVID? Okay,

00:10:47.000 well, what about before that? Because before any of the crazy stuff happened in 2020, before the lockdowns,

00:10:54.000 before businesses were destroyed, largely by government diktat. In 2018-2019, the federal

00:11:02.020 government under then Prime Minister Justin Trudeau, spent more money than in any one year of the Second

00:11:10.880 World War, adjusted for population and inflation. I know, it's crazy. I'm going to say that again real

00:11:19.960 slow. So remember back in the sunny ways times of Prime Minister Justin Trudeau, when he said the

00:11:24.980 budget will balance itself? And we'll, oh, and we're going to balance the budget by 2019, like

00:11:30.040 Scouts Honor, no problem. He never balanced the budget, not even one time. Okay. And in 2018-2019,

00:11:38.980 the fiscal year before 2020, they spent more money than our government did during the Second

00:11:47.080 World War, adjusted for inflation. So this government does not really have a US President Donald Trump

00:11:56.080 problem. If they truly believed that, they would be earnestly doing everything they can to get a new

00:12:04.620 trade deal with that person. Because yeah, Canadians are suffering because of this. Because they're

00:12:11.280 refusing to actually get in there and hammer out a trade deal. And they'd rather take potshots on TV

00:12:16.900 to score points with their reporter friends. Normal working people in Canada, and frankly, plenty of

00:12:22.600 people in the United States are being hurt by this. And we just don't have the money to withstand

00:12:28.580 this. We are now $1.2 trillion in debt, which is what Jason Jocks was sounding the alarm bell about.

00:12:37.880 Put another way, the interest that we are paying on the federal debt is a billion dollars a week.

00:12:46.900 Picture a brand new hospital, all done, all shiny, paint on, everything ready to go. But instead of

00:12:53.960 moving in the doctors and nurses, we burn it down. Burn it down. Every week, burn down a new hospital.

00:13:01.960 That's what taxpayers are having to pay with interest on our federal debt. So folks, it is time for people

00:13:09.560 to really wake up to this debt spiral that we're in right now, because we don't have the money to cover

00:13:15.820 stuff like this. Speaking of not having the money, there's something that is happening right now that is

00:13:22.300 going to cost taxpayers a ton of money. And that is the so-called buyback program for firearms owners.

00:13:30.480 Now, before you say, oh, I'm not a gun owner, and I don't care, and it's a crime thing. No, no, no, no.

00:13:35.600 Okay? Number one, they might be coming after people's firearms right now, but they could be coming after

00:13:42.620 your pickup truck tomorrow. Like, real easy. So this is a private property issue. Two, this is going to cost

00:13:50.320 the so-called buyback program a ton of money. Okay? Experts are guessing anywhere from like $1 billion

00:13:57.820 with a B to $6 billion with a B. And when they tried this back in the early 90s with the whole

00:14:04.880 long gun registry, they said, oh, no problem. It'll cost $2 million. It wound up costing taxpayers $2 billion.

00:14:11.500 So times $1,000. So we have un-money. We do not have the money to do this firearms thing. And three,

00:14:19.780 the police themselves say targeting licensed legal firearms owners is not going to solve crime.

00:14:29.760 This is going to be a huge waste of money and resources. Police do not want to participate in

00:14:35.480 this thing. And it is not going to solve the crime problem. Where do we go from here with this?

00:14:42.440 Let's find out. Joining me now is Devin Drover. He is a friend of mine. He's also the Atlantic

00:14:48.280 Director for the Canadian Taxpayers Federation. And most importantly, when it comes to guns,

00:14:53.560 he's our in-house lawyer. He is our legal counsel. Devin, thank you so much for joining us today.

00:14:59.500 We really appreciate your time.

00:15:00.760 Devin Drover. Thank you so much for having me.

00:15:03.020 So we're taking an extra step here at the Taxpayers Federation. And I winced on your behalf

00:15:08.660 when you made this announcement last week, because you said, here's my email address. If folks are on

00:15:14.680 Cape Breton Island, okay, if you're living there geographically, and you get one of these letters

00:15:19.900 from the federal government, we will find you free legal advice. That is outstanding. As a firearms

00:15:26.920 owner, I know I would find that to be a comfort after I get a letter like that, because it's

00:15:32.000 scary. It's scary to hear from the federal government in that way. What exactly are you

00:15:36.380 doing when it comes to free legal advice for firearms owners?

00:15:40.340 Yeah, exactly. And I think you hit the nail on the head when you said it's scary. I know,

00:15:44.820 you know, as a lawyer, I deal with kind of, how to say this appropriately, pissing matches with the

00:15:52.360 federal government's lawyers on a regular basis. And I don't think, you know, it's not, it's not

00:15:57.780 something as a lawyer, it makes me uncomfortable. But when you're not so illegally trained, and you

00:16:01.440 get this strongly worded letter from a from a from the federal government for the RCMP, you know,

00:16:07.280 about taking your personal property, it can be scary. So that's what we're doing at the Canadian

00:16:11.700 Taxpayers Federation, we're offering free legal advice to anyone impacted by the confiscation scheme.

00:16:17.600 And so very pleased to do it. Anyone local in Cape Breton Island that's dealing with, you know,

00:16:24.160 threats from the federal government to have their property confiscated can email us at legal

00:16:29.040 underscore team at taxpayer.com. And you'll hear from me or a member of the team about how to protect

00:16:33.960 your rights. So that's legal underscore team, as in join the team at taxpayer.com. That's the email?

00:16:41.880 Absolutely. Legal underscore team at taxpayer.com. If you send an email and you're a resident of Cape

00:16:47.400 Breton being threatened by this confiscation program, we will myself and the team of lawyers

00:16:52.820 I'm working with on this file, we'll make sure we get back to you as soon as possible to make sure

00:16:56.760 your rights are protected, and that you do not need to comply with the program as is.

00:17:01.280 Perfect. I wanted to get that in there off the top, because I know, you know, some people who are

00:17:06.420 in possession of these firearms right now are really looking for a place to turn. So I wanted to get that

00:17:10.480 on the record right away. I wanted to dig into the issue a little bit as well, though,

00:17:14.280 because I've seen some screw ups at the federal government level. I can't remember the time I've

00:17:21.520 seen an issue like this handled this badly. So we've got experts, okay, like criminology type

00:17:29.240 people saying this is going to cost upwards of a billion dollars with a B, which is just a mind

00:17:35.100 blowing amount of money, warning that this is going to cost a lot of money. We've got police on the front

00:17:40.960 lines. So the ones who are actually representing, you know, guys and girls in blue saying, um, this

00:17:46.280 is not going to help the crime problems that we have at the city level. Why are we going after

00:17:51.200 legal firearms owners and not the bad guys with the illegal handguns? And what blows my mind is that

00:17:56.760 we also had the public safety minister, who clearly did not have a grasp on what this program was.

00:18:04.160 What's your assessment of, I would say, the latest incarnation of the federal government

00:18:08.080 handling this right now? Yeah. So that's a great question, Chris. And it's always funny. We have

00:18:13.440 this administration in Ottawa, this big bloated government in Ottawa, that's always telling us

00:18:17.620 when we raise concerns, well, we have to listen to the experts. Well, the experts aren't telling them

00:18:23.540 that this is a good policy. In fact, everyone is against this. You have the fire or you have,

00:18:28.320 um, you know, you have the Toronto Police Association saying it's going to have zero impact

00:18:32.280 on crime in Toronto. You have a professor King from Mount Royal University saying it won't impact

00:18:37.480 crime rates. The only thing that it is going to impact is one, the personal property rights of

00:18:42.020 legal firearm owners in this country and us as taxpayers across this country. And yeah,

00:18:47.420 the estimates are insane, Chris. We have, you know, first they told us that it would cost $200 million.

00:18:54.400 Um, then two years later, three to $400 million. The government's own parliamentary budget officer is

00:19:00.700 now saying it'll cost $756 million just to purchase the guns. Let's not talk about the administrative bloat

00:19:06.540 that it costs to get anything done in this country at the federal level. And now you have other experts

00:19:11.780 who are putting the total costs at $6 billion as one example. So, you know, this is a rampant abuse

00:19:20.760 of taxpayer dollars and it's targeting the wrong people. It's not targeting those who are committing

00:19:25.160 crimes using illegal firearms. We're targeting hunters. We're targeting sports shooters. We're talking,

00:19:29.940 we're, uh, targeting law-abiding gun owners in this country and the program needs to stop.

00:19:35.720 Yeah. To be very clear, I mentioned it off the top before you joined the show, but for folks who

00:19:41.280 just woke up to this issue, we are not talking about illegal guns. This has nothing to do with

00:19:48.100 illegal guns. So, you know, the folks that you see that are filling the parking lots at Cabela's on the

00:19:53.200 weekends, right? They're, they're buying up all this hunting gear and everything. There are millions of us,

00:19:58.360 okay, who are legal licensed law-abiding firearms owners. We have to go through a safety course.

00:20:04.760 All of our backgrounds are checked all the time. Like the RCMP phones, all of your exes to make sure

00:20:11.000 that you're not a crazy person before you're allowed to have a license for a firearm here in Canada.

00:20:16.660 It's those folks with their firearms that for some inexplicable reason, the federal government is

00:20:24.240 going after. And before people say, oh, well, those guns are dangerous. Um, the Trudeau government

00:20:29.620 announced this back in 2020. It's now 2025. So those same firearms owners have been, uh, hanging

00:20:38.260 onto those things in their gun safes for five years. And there hasn't been rampant violence on

00:20:43.580 the streets being committed by licensed firearms owners. I'm laughing because the whole thing is just

00:20:48.240 so absurd. I wanted to play a quick clip here and kudos to the Toronto Police Association. I know

00:20:55.140 that police are hesitant to say stuff that will be interpreted as being political. They just want

00:21:01.160 to keep their head down and do their jobs. But it's really important that the Toronto Police

00:21:05.300 Association is speaking up on this, basically saying this is going to cost a lot of money, waste resources,

00:21:11.920 and it's not going to solve the crimes on the street. This is Clayton Campbell at committee in Ottawa.

00:21:17.700 Let's listen. The bottom line, the city of Toronto is the, the gun buyback program would not have any

00:21:24.500 impact on the violence we're seeing in the city. The violence we're seeing in relation to firearm

00:21:29.840 offenses is essentially exclusively to a small number of gang members, thugs using illegal firearms.

00:21:37.640 Most of the time that come across the border, but 90% of the 700 illegal firearms we seized last year

00:21:44.080 came across the border. Um, and most of the time people on bail or prohibited from using a firearm.

00:21:51.040 Amazing. Like he couldn't have said it more clearly, uh, on this show. Um, Devin,

00:21:56.400 what's your take on the public safety minister? Because this is what kind of really had me

00:22:01.120 cluing into this harder saying, wow, you guys are really screwing this up. Um, famously before the

00:22:06.480 summer break, Andrew Lawton, former host here on Juno news and its predecessor, uh, true north,

00:22:12.720 he started quizzing the public safety minister saying, okay, uh, what's a PAL possession and

00:22:18.000 acquisition license. Uh, what's the safety course that firearms owners have to take. And he famously

00:22:24.000 said, this isn't, doesn't have anything to do with legal firearms owners, which was amazing

00:22:30.800 because that's all this is about. And now we've recently heard him on a recording when he didn't

00:22:35.840 know he was being recorded, basically saying, if I had to do this all over again, I wouldn't do this.

00:22:41.120 And, uh, this is kind of a big mistake. What's your take on his handling of this file so far? Do

00:22:46.480 you think this will be the ability to get rid of it? It might help us get rid of it.

00:22:50.400 Yeah. I mean, I think it's very clear that the public safety minister in Ottawa has absolutely no idea,

00:22:55.520 uh, about this program and absolutely no idea how to solve the issues facing public safety.

00:23:01.120 You know, as we see in that clip, the problems with in, in Toronto, for example, in crime is not

00:23:06.240 law abiding gun owners. It is the, you know, limited to gang activity, um, and illegal firearms

00:23:12.320 brought over the border. It is not my father moose hunting in Newfoundland and Labrador is not a

00:23:16.480 criminal. Um, and this government instead is treating them like one with this band. So, you know,

00:23:21.680 I think it's, it's very clear that he's in over his head on this file. It's very clear that this

00:23:26.640 program needs to be scrapped. If you know, in the idea that, you know, if he had his time back,

00:23:32.080 he would do it different. The time is still here. We still have, we're still under an amnesty period

00:23:37.200 where the firearm owners are legally allowed to keep these, these, uh, firearms in their homes.

00:23:41.920 Um, they do not need to comply, um, with the confiscation, uh, that their trial that's taking

00:23:47.520 place in Cape Breton right now. And you know, it's, it's real telling to me, and this is,

00:23:51.520 this is bothersome as an Atlantic Canadian, because I think this government takes advantage

00:23:55.840 of Atlantic Canadians sometimes in their support for them. And I think, you know, it's telling to

00:24:01.440 me that the public safety ministers announcing this trial, um, of this confiscation regime

00:24:06.320 in Cape Breton Island, but wouldn't even go to Cape Breton to announce it. They did it from an,

00:24:11.280 uh, they, they hit an Ottawa press room to tell legal law abiding gun owners in Cape Breton that they're

00:24:19.040 coming for their property. It is sickening to me as an Atlantic Canadian, and I'm tired of seeing 0.60

00:24:24.320 our Atlantic Canadians being treated like this by the federal administration in Ottawa. However,

00:24:29.680 as I've said, we are offering free legal advice for those people, and we're not going to let Cape

00:24:35.360 Breton be a guinea pig for this federal program. We'll, we'll encourage resistance legally, uh,

00:24:40.960 to make sure that this program cannot roll out across the country. I wanted to really stress that,

00:24:46.560 uh, you're, you're jittering a little bit there with your audio, but I wanted to reinstate what you

00:24:50.640 said there. Um, quite often, and I've, I've lived in Atlantic Canada. Uh, a lot of my family is from

00:24:55.920 there. Uh, I agree. Uh, the liberal government in particular, cause they have quite strong support

00:25:01.040 out that way, as they say. Um, I find that they take them for granted and that they think, oh, well,

00:25:07.440 they're going to be a soft touch. We're just going to do this little pilot project there where we're

00:25:11.840 seizing their property for no safety reasons. Um, and so that's why I'm really glad that we're stressing

00:25:17.840 two things. Don't freak out if you get one of these letters in the mail. Okay. And two,

00:25:23.520 this is so important. And he barely mentioned this, but it's true. We have another year.

00:25:29.680 We have another year of amnesty. So even if you have one of these firearms, okay. Some of which,

00:25:35.360 by the way, folks who are watching are like 22s. Okay. People call them plinkers here on the prairies.

00:25:40.560 Okay. Um, if you have one of them, you still have another year you have until October of 2026.

00:25:47.520 So that gives us some breathing room and some time to be able to challenge this stuff legally.

00:25:52.240 Uh, Devin, I wanted you to touch on something that I'll admit, I'm, I'm not a lawyer. This part

00:25:58.800 confused me and I don't know why they keep using this term. So we had prime minister Mark Carney

00:26:06.000 tell a podcaster, Oh, this program is voluntary. It's voluntary. And then we had the public safety

00:26:16.000 minister repeat that word. And so this is, I think it caused a lot of confusion among licensed firearms

00:26:22.640 owners. Do you know what they mean when they keep on saying that the program is voluntary?

00:26:30.320 Oh, this is such clearly an example of, of, and probably cooked up by some PR experts in Ottawa

00:26:35.280 and liberal, uh, in liberal HQ to try to make this program a little more sellable to the general

00:26:39.760 public. It is not voluntary any more than paying, you know, paying your income taxes is voluntary.

00:26:45.360 Yeah. You can choose to do it or you can choose not to do it and go to jail or face criminal consequences.

00:26:50.880 That's not voluntary to me. Um, you know, no matter how Ottawa wants to put lipstick on a pig here,

00:26:56.080 it is a bad policy and they're not going to be able to convince Canadians, convince law-abiding

00:27:00.640 gun owners to give up their rights by throwing around words like voluntary. It is not voluntary.

00:27:06.960 They are making it a criminal defense to own these firearms that are used for hunting and sports

00:27:11.520 shooting. And, uh, yeah, that's, that's the bottom line. That I was trying to give them the benefit

00:27:19.120 of the doubt thinking they were just incompetent because of what the safety minister had been saying

00:27:23.920 earlier. But when they kept repeating that, I thought, yeah, so the choice is you either comply

00:27:29.600 or you go to prison. That is not a real choice. Um, frankly, after the last few years, I'm tired

00:27:37.120 of hearing from this government of, oh, it's up to you. Uh, but we'll just take everything that you

00:27:42.000 have away from you and or put you in jail. If you don't comply, that's voluntary. That doesn't help.

00:27:47.920 That doesn't help people believing in government. That doesn't help people trusting politicians.

00:27:52.400 Um, and it doesn't help, frankly, this law because it makes it sound really disingenuous and sneaky.

00:27:59.040 Um, if I can, is there a way, do you think that we can get more people on board with this? Like,

00:28:04.320 I know most of the, like the firearms community, as we would call it, um, the ones who legally own

00:28:08.880 firearms, they get this. They understand that this is going after hunters and sport shooters.

00:28:14.160 They understand what they have to do. Do you think there's room to bring more moderate people on who may not

00:28:20.320 own firearms or have experience with them understanding that this, you know what,

00:28:24.880 it could be my 22 today, but it could be your Ford F-150 tomorrow. If they want to seize private

00:28:31.680 property. Are we able to go there? Do you think with that argument? Yeah, I, I, I absolutely think so.

00:28:37.440 We're seeing an increasingly more authoritarian regime in Ottawa that is looking at taking your

00:28:42.400 property away or your freedoms away, whether it's your freedom to purchase a vehicle that's gas powered,

00:28:47.520 which you need in vast amounts of this country, or whether it's now your ability to, um, have legal

00:28:53.600 firearms. So, you know, I think it's, um, we need to be making the case, you know, as to as many people

00:28:59.920 as possible. And that means talking to non firearm owners about this issue, because it is complicated.

00:29:04.800 If you don't know, um, you know, if, if you're in downtown Toronto, um, never have touched a firearm

00:29:12.000 in your life. And then you hear a little bit about this voluntary, uh, quote unquote, voluntary program,

00:29:17.440 you might think, uh, maybe this is going to help. Um, it's not going to help. And it's very clear from

00:29:21.840 the quote unquote experts that it's not going to help. And it's very clear when you talk to people who

00:29:26.720 actually are law abiding firearm owners in this country, that they are not criminals. So, you know,

00:29:31.840 I think we need to be open with people. We need to talk to people. And one of the things I'm really looking forward to is just in a couple days,

00:29:38.000 I'll be on the ground in Cape Breton when this confiscation, uh, program officially starts myself,

00:29:44.720 other members of the firearms community, um, some members of parliament who are standing up against

00:29:49.840 this, uh, confiscation regime. And I'm looking forward to that because not only will that rally

00:29:55.200 on the ground there, you know, show that Cape Bretoners are opposed to this. It provides an opportunity

00:29:59.680 for dialogue with other Cape Bretoners who are not aware of the policy and allows that discourse to happen.

00:30:05.120 Awesome. Uh, once again, Devin Drover, can you hit us with that email address? So folks have mercy on

00:30:11.600 Devin for now, only if you're in Cape Breton. Okay. If you're in Cape Breton and you are a legal

00:30:16.960 licensed firearms owner, and you're concerned about this program, where can they email you?

00:30:22.240 Please reach out to us. If you have any questions about the confiscation regime,

00:30:26.880 if you get a scary letter or a phone call from government to the RCMP, and you need advice on this

00:30:32.160 issue, please email us legal underscore help at taxpayer.com. Perfect. Awesome. Thank you so much

00:30:39.600 for your time today. Devin Drover, Atlantic Director for the Canadian Taxpayers Federation

00:30:44.320 and our in-house counsel. Once again, folks, um, two things. One, if you get a letter about this,

00:30:52.400 don't freak out. There are still options. And two, you have another year. There's another year left

00:30:59.760 of amnesty. So they only start actually seizing the firearms and saying, okay, now you have to comply

00:31:06.240 in October of 2026. So there's a lot of runway left in this fight. Uh, folks, this is exactly the

00:31:13.680 reason why you should be a Juno News subscriber. Okay. Quite often in the mainstream media,

00:31:19.920 they will talk about things like, oh, the voluntary buyback program. Like Devin just said,

00:31:25.680 if you're some regular person living in downtown Toronto, and you're watching TV and you hear a bit

00:31:31.360 of a snippet on the mainstream media, and it's the voluntary buyback program for firearms, you might

00:31:37.040 think that this is like, oh, this is one of those things where, you know, when you watch those cop shows

00:31:42.080 on TV in prime time, this is like one of those things where the gang bangers are turning in their

00:31:46.560 firearms in exchange for, you know, gift certificates or something to take guns off the street. They named it

00:31:52.560 this on purpose so that it flies under the radar and normal earnest people think that this is about

00:31:58.480 fighting crime. It's not. This has got nothing to do with fighting crime. As the head of the Toronto

00:32:05.520 Police Association said, we spoke directly to Clayton Campbell on this very program just a couple of

00:32:12.320 weeks ago. And he said the same thing that made news. Okay. So it's really important that if

00:32:19.200 you want the full story, if you want the other side of the story, that you support independent media

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