Juno News - Carney goes ELBOWS DOWN after auto jobs vanish while Libs warm to Communist China

00:00:00.000 I'm your host Mark Petroni. Well, the more frosty things get between Canada and the United States

00:00:10.460 in terms of our trade relationship with that country, the warmer our relations seem to be

00:00:15.480 getting with the Chinese. Is it only a matter of time before Canada's tariffs on Chinese EVs are

00:00:21.680 lifted? Prime Minister Carney won't say yet, but Canada's foreign minister is in China for talks.

00:00:28.280 After Carney's meeting with Premier Doug Ford yesterday, Ford posted this on X, omitting any

00:00:35.200 further demands for elbows-up style retaliatory tariffs against the Americans. Ford writes,

00:00:42.300 thank you Prime Minister Mark Carney for coming by and for working with Ontario to get things

00:00:48.660 built fast. From the ring of fire to large-scale nuclear facilities, there are huge opportunities

00:00:56.180 to power Canada's economic growth. Well, just earlier this week, Ford demanded tougher action

00:01:03.100 by Carney against Trump.

00:01:05.100 My number one job is make sure we protect the people of Ontario. I need to protect the communities

00:01:11.540 against that tyrant south of the border, which drives me absolutely nuts. That guy, President

00:01:17.140 Trump, he's a real piece of work. You know something? What my message to the Prime Minister when I meet

00:01:22.240 him on Thursday is, if you can't get a deal, let's start hitting him back. Let's start hitting the US

00:01:28.200 back hard.

00:01:29.160 So much for that message. China's ambassador to Canada, meantime, says that the country would

00:01:35.040 consider dropping its Canadian canola products tariffs in exchange for Canada dropping its levies on

00:01:44.200 electric vehicles. As I mentioned, Foreign Affairs Minister Anita Anand is in Beijing ahead of a

00:01:50.160 planned meeting between Prime Minister Carney and Xi Jinping. And again, it's only the second time that

00:01:56.000 a Canadian foreign minister has visited China in eight years. Wyatt Claypool will be joining us to

00:02:01.920 talk about Canada appearing to cozy up to China in light of China's ongoing interference in Canada,

00:02:08.480 including our elections. Conservative leader Pierre Polyev stirred up a hornet's nest when he accused the

00:02:14.960 RCMP of covering up Trudeau-era criminal behavior, crimes including alleged obstruction of justice in

00:02:22.080 the SNC-Lavalin prosecution case. He also accused the RCMP of covering it all up. Here is RCMP

00:02:29.360 Commissioner Michael Duham saying he doesn't know anything about any RCMP cover up.

00:02:34.080 Commissioner, in a recent interview, the leader of the opposition called the leadership of the RCMP

00:02:38.400 despicable when it comes to enforcing laws against the Liberal government and accused your officers of

00:02:43.760 covering up for former Prime Minister Justin Trudeau in the SNC-Lavalin affair. What's your response to

00:02:48.880 Pierre Polyev's comments? And have you ever faced political pressure from the government to not

00:02:53.760 pursue charges? So I think we've talked about SNC-Lavalin quite quite a lot under the previous

00:03:00.240 government. And I think it was clear that there's no interference. I don't take any orders from any

00:03:08.080 political individual. And as far as his comment with regards to senior management, I would invite

00:03:13.280 Mr. Polyev to meet with us and to meet with the people who run this great organization, 32,000 strong.

00:03:19.360 Well, two years ago, that same individual, Michael Duham, was all ready to testify in committee

00:03:25.600 about why or how Trudeau has been blocking the release of certain cabinet documents to the RCMP,

00:03:32.240 documents that might have implicated the former Prime Minister, but the Liberals used their superior

00:03:37.920 numbers in committee to stop that testimony before it could take place. Is there any actual proof of a

00:03:44.080 crime being committed by the Trudeau-era government as far as SNC-Lavalin goes? Well, Democracy Watch,

00:03:51.760 as well as the Conservative Party, say a recorded message, phone call really, between then Attorney General,

00:03:58.560 Jody Wilson-Raybould, and the Clerk of the Privy Council, Michael Wernick at the time, is a smoking

00:04:04.400 gun that the RCMP ignored. Quite determined, quite firm, but he wants to know why the DPA route, which

00:04:16.240 Parliament provided for, isn't being used. And I think he's going to find a way to get it done,

00:04:23.760 one way or another. So, um, he's in that kind of mood, and, um, I wanted to be aware of that.

00:04:33.040 Okay. So, um, he's, I don't know if he's going to call you directly, he might, um, and he's willing,

00:04:42.320 I think he's thinking about getting, um, somebody else to give him some advice. He doesn't, you know,

00:04:48.000 he doesn't want to do anything that's outside the box of what's legal or proper. Um, but his

00:04:53.200 understanding is, you know, the DPA tool is there, uh, and you have options that we've talked about

00:05:00.400 before to ask for reasoning from the DPP, uh, or even to take over the prosecution. He just wants to

00:05:09.280 understand more at this point why the DPA route isn't being, um, taken up in this route.

00:05:15.120 So yeah, now she recorded that surreptitiously, obviously for a reason, she made it public for

00:05:22.080 a reason, but somehow the RCMP just didn't treat it maybe as seriously as they could have.

00:05:27.440 In the United States, two alleged members of Antifa have been indicted by a federal grand jury

00:05:32.960 this week for reportedly attacking an immigration and customs enforcement

00:05:37.360 ICE facility in Texas. That just happened this past July. Now with Trump designating Antifa as a

00:05:43.600 domestic terrorist organization, we know that Juneau news has reported the Kearney government

00:05:49.120 has been silent on whether it plans to follow suit. If it does not, could Antifa use Canada as a base

00:05:56.960 of operations for launching attacks in the United States? And what implications does that have in

00:06:02.400 terms of our relationship with the Americans? Independent journalist, Wyatt Claypool joins us.

00:06:07.360 Welcome to the show. Appreciate it. Yeah. Thanks for having me on, Mark. We used to cross

00:06:11.600 paths sometimes on Saga 960 and now we cross paths once again on Juneau.

00:06:16.640 Well, I love crossing paths with you because you're so well-versed on so many different topics.

00:06:21.600 And so I want to hit you with these three anyway. I mean, let's talk a little bit about,

00:06:26.320 let's start with China. We've got the foreign affairs minister over there trying to pave the way for

00:06:32.960 an upcoming meeting between Xi Jinping and Mark Carney. We all have all of that going on as our

00:06:40.560 relationships with the Americans seem to be at a, not an all-time low perhaps, but at one of the lowest

00:06:46.480 ebbs that I've ever seen it. Should we read something into this? I mean, are we shifting our

00:06:53.600 influence over to China and away from the United States? And did the tariffs necessitate that type of

00:07:00.800 action by the Carney government? Oh, 100%. Because look at the way that Carney and Dominic LeBlanc

00:07:08.560 were trying to negotiate with the Americans to try and come to a trade deal. And now how they're

00:07:13.280 negotiating with the Chinese government. We seem to be far more willing to play ball with Chinese

00:07:18.880 government on trying to remove certain tariffs we have on their products in order so that they'll

00:07:23.840 remove them on the other side. While yes, we've technically removed some counter tariffs against the

00:07:28.880 United States. It was more so because we got caught out in looking very hypocritical in tariffing USMCA

00:07:36.640 compliant goods or trying to put in place the digital services tax. But when it comes to China,

00:07:41.680 we're willing to potentially get rid of the tariff and restrictions on their electric vehicles in order

00:07:47.280 to remove the canola tariffs that they have on us. But when it comes to the United States,

00:07:53.600 we won't even talk about potentially even just, you know, lowering the tariffs we have on US dairy and

00:08:00.640 poultry and stuff like that. We act offended that they counter tariffed us, but we aren't doing

00:08:05.760 anything. We're not putting anything on the table or even threatening anything to try and get to a trade

00:08:10.160 deal with them. We've almost put the US on ice. We pretend like we almost want to get to a deal every

00:08:15.360 once in a while. But when you go to China, then we actually see what a country looks like when they

00:08:19.840 actually want to reach a deal. You're willing to put things on the table. You're willing to actually

00:08:24.080 directly negotiate. Whereas with the US, we just kind of art around a little bit.

00:08:29.440 Yeah. I mean, our canola farmers need help right now. Many of them are in dire straits. And so this

00:08:35.440 might be good news for them. Any kind of deal with China on canola would be huge. However, I mean,

00:08:41.920 to your point, we spent, what, $50 billion, I want to say, in subsidies on these EV plants.

00:08:47.600 And those tariffs were designed basically to protect those plants, the industry in Canada,

00:08:55.280 such as it exists. So it'll be interesting to see what comes out of that, how far Canada is willing

00:09:01.200 to bend over in order to accommodate the Chinese and to heal the ongoing rift with them.

00:09:07.440 Well, I guess Mark Carney is a perfect excuse to let the Chinese electric vehicles back in the

00:09:12.960 country, because it seems like Stellantis is going bankrupt in Canada, no matter what we do. Because

00:09:20.080 it turns out, if you create a bad business environment, you cannot subsidize it enough to

00:09:24.240 make it worth their while to stay in the country. So they're heading down to the US. So I guess we can

00:09:29.840 remove the tariffs against Chinese electric vehicles at this point, because what are we even protecting?

00:09:34.720 I mean, how do you gloss over the Chinese interference in our elections, other spying issues,

00:09:43.360 interference elsewhere in our economy by the Chinese? I mean, you know, how do we set that

00:09:49.760 aside? How do we forget that any of that happened in order to move forward with some kind of cozier

00:09:56.240 trade relationship with the Chinese? How do they justify that?

00:09:59.920 Well, they don't really justify it at all. I think it's more so that genuinely, there is probably

00:10:05.760 more of an anti American bias inside the current liberal government than there is an anti Chinese

00:10:10.880 bias. And so we're in a position where we're just going to completely paper over and ignore all the

00:10:17.120 election interference that not only occurred in the past, but is ongoing. Because we'd rather make

00:10:23.440 a deal with them than make a deal with the Americans, because I guess that would be very

00:10:27.280 non elbows up of us to actually try and sign a deal with the US. I always hate when people say,

00:10:33.520 well, we're diversifying our trade, look, we have 20% more exports outside of, you know,

00:10:40.000 for non US trade partners. Okay, well, our US exports have fallen 14%. And by the way,

00:10:48.560 our exports in the US are like 80% of our exports, and the others are 20%. So I would rather not have

00:10:54.800 a 20% reduction in the 80% of our trade compared to a 20% increase of just the 20% of our trade. It's

00:11:03.120 stupid. I wonder if this is a ploy, really, to get the Americans attention. I mean, is this a way to

00:11:09.280 say to the Trump administration, look, if you're not prepared to make a deal with us, then, you know,

00:11:15.280 we've got these guys over here, they're ready to make a deal, maybe we'll cozy up with the Chinese.

00:11:20.640 I mean, geographically speaking, it makes much more sense to deal with the Americans. They're

00:11:25.040 our neighbor, our friend, generally speaking. But could this be I mean, the timing of it, right?

00:11:31.280 The timing of this visit by Anita Anand to China in the midst of these intense negotiations,

00:11:38.480 these trade negotiations with the Americans? I mean, I don't think that's a coincidence. What do you think?

00:11:43.120 Probably not a coincidence. But I also think that it's

00:11:50.400 I would even say it's hard to even give the liberals credit that they may be

00:11:54.640 trying to get some leverage with the US because in a certain sense, I don't think

00:11:59.120 trying to act warmly towards China is going to get you on the good side of Donald Trump.

00:12:03.600 And if they were seriously wanting to do hardball negotiations, it would have started months ago.

00:12:09.520 I think that genuinely, like so many things this government does, they don't know what they're

00:12:13.680 doing or why they're doing anything. And so I think it's just that they genuinely see

00:12:18.960 China as a bigger threat because politically they're supposed to not care about what the

00:12:24.400 Americans are doing. At the same time, they obviously do care because they keep trying to

00:12:28.000 go back to the table. But I think that, again, I just don't even know what they're attempting to do,

00:12:34.560 because with America, we could have probably gotten a trade deal that was far better than the

00:12:38.400 one that looks like we're going to be getting. But again, they just they got wrapped up.

00:12:43.520 They kind of put a noose around their neck with the elbows up stuff. And so they needed to have

00:12:48.560 that public perception that they're fighting back and they're playing hardball, which equals they

00:12:53.360 couldn't agree to anything because if they agreed to any concessions, well, they would have looked weak,

00:12:58.000 even though, frankly, if we got rid of supply management in Canada, Canadians would be better

00:13:02.720 off by default, even more. And then you also could potentially get to a better trade deal,

00:13:08.000 which would be excellent. But because that's a liberal constituency, the dairy cartel, they don't

00:13:13.760 want to touch it. Yeah, that would be disastrous for the Liberal Party in Quebec. Let's talk about

00:13:19.360 this story. Conservative Party leader Pierre Polyev stirring up a bit of a hornet's nest when he accused

00:13:25.120 the RCMP of covering up Trudeau era criminal behavior. So we're talking about SNC Lavalin.

00:13:31.200 A lot of liberals online, as you've probably noticed, are freaking out over this,

00:13:35.120 attacking Pierre Polyev over what he said. He's suggesting that Trudeau probably should have ended

00:13:41.840 up in prison for what he did. And pointing a finger at the RCMP is pretty huge. What do you think of what

00:13:48.480 he said and what the backlash has been? The backlash is stupid, for one thing. I saw a clip

00:13:56.560 recently when Peter McKay was on Power in Politics with David Cochran. And David Cochran is acting like,

00:14:01.680 this is so out of left field. Who could possibly say that maybe Trudeau or someone else should have

00:14:06.480 been criminally charged? This is not Canadian for him to say. And then Dufresne also saying the sort

00:14:12.560 of same things at the press conference, acting like this is an attack against the police themselves.

00:14:18.560 Polyev was specifically going after the leadership of the RCMP. And we've known this for a very long

00:14:24.320 time, especially when Brenda Lucky was the RCMP commissioner. It's a very political position,

00:14:31.120 getting that high up in the RCMP. You don't do it because you're a great cop and you're a great

00:14:35.360 administrator. You do it because you are a friend of the government. And this isn't just Polyev saying

00:14:40.320 these things. They act like this is coming out of left field. I just read an article this morning

00:14:44.800 from APTN, the government subsidized Aboriginal news service that came out to say, and they were also

00:14:51.920 quoting someone from Democracy Watch saying that, yes, what the RCMP did was effectively a coverup.

00:14:57.440 Yes, they weren't taking documents and throwing them in a shredder or burning them. But what they were

00:15:02.400 doing was they were just not really pushing to get documents. They were not forcing the PMO to hand

00:15:08.160 over things. They basically just requested things. And if the PMO just says, here's what we'll give

00:15:13.440 you and we're not going to give you that other stuff. They're like, okay. And then, well, of course,

00:15:17.520 if you don't investigate, you're effectively helping them cover it up.

00:15:21.920 Yeah. I mean, I did mention that a couple of years back, the conservatives tried

00:15:26.800 to get the committee to force cabinet and they tried to, well, they tried to get that out of Duhem himself

00:15:33.920 at that committee meeting. But at the time, the liberals had a majority in terms of numbers in

00:15:39.120 that committee and they just adjourned the meeting. It just ended it right there.

00:15:42.800 And we have all, as I said, we have all this stuff happening in 2018 and 2019,

00:15:47.760 and they really needed to wait until 2023 before they wrapped up their non-investigation? Or was it

00:15:54.160 they were just ending it at a time when people, they thought people wouldn't care?

00:15:57.520 I mean, people seem shocked by that statement, but as you point out with the McKay statement earlier,

00:16:05.520 there's nothing new here. And I guess you have to ask, I mean, apart from firing the

00:16:11.840 bosses over there at the RCMP, if the conservatives were to form government, would they restructure

00:16:17.680 things? I mean, the fact that the RCMP essentially been politicized because the appointments come under,

00:16:25.920 I guess, is it the PMO or whatever, but they're the ones who are directly responsible for who has

00:16:31.280 that top job as commissioner. And I mean, there's a problem with that. I mean, in a way, this has been

00:16:39.040 coming for a long time in terms of the problems with separating the RCMP from the politicians,

00:16:44.880 if you know what I'm saying.

00:16:46.160 Well, and a great example of just how political leadership is in the RCMP, and maybe a good way of

00:16:51.360 fixing it is allowing normal RCMP officers to help, you know, internally elect people who are

00:16:58.000 better, that they actually think are good cops, that they think will back them up, that actually

00:17:01.840 care about good criminal justice. But a great example of just how political they are is. Remember

00:17:06.720 the head of the RCMP for Cape Breton, when they were announcing the gun buyback rollout?

00:17:12.000 And he comes out and says, well, this is great, because we're getting guns off the street, and I fully

00:17:16.320 support this. I'm like, really? Are you such a flat-footed police officer that you don't

00:17:21.600 understand that it's not the fisherman who owns a shotgun who's the problem, and it's probably,

00:17:26.880 you know, the gangbangers down in downtown Toronto who are the real problem? But it's a political

00:17:32.160 position. He's saying all this stuff, so maybe one day he also gets to be deputy commissioner,

00:17:36.320 and then maybe he gets to be full commissioner of the RCMP.

00:17:39.440 There are problems there. Even with the optics of having

00:17:42.560 Mark Carney make that announcement yesterday, flanked by a

00:17:46.320 RCMP officers.

00:17:47.520 Yeah, because they have nothing better to do but hang around Mark Carney saying that

00:17:51.360 I will maybe, potentially, maybe crack down on crime. All the, you know, they're not even

00:17:57.280 getting rid of Bill C-75, but they're going to do more bail reform, which isn't going to do anything

00:18:02.880 because we still have the same-day automatic release laws on the books.

00:18:07.040 Yeah, I mean, they broke it, and now we're supposed to trust them to fix

00:18:11.360 something that they obviously are not particularly interested in doing.

00:18:15.200 I've got to ask you about the fact that these two Antifa members have been prosecuted. They've been

00:18:21.840 indicted south of the border. I mean, we didn't follow suit with Trump's decision to declare this

00:18:28.960 organization Antifa to be a terrorist, a domestic terror organization. And it struck me that Antifa could

00:18:35.600 very well continue to infiltrate Canada and even use Canada as a base of operations to launch

00:18:42.800 attacks south of the border. Do you think that's a possibility? And what are the implications there

00:18:48.960 between the United States and Canada as we go through this sensitive trade negotiation?

00:18:55.920 Oh, 100%, because right now Canada is the top Western country for money laundering, especially

00:19:02.800 for terrorism. You have a lot of IRGC and Hezbollah and other Hamas-type front groups who operate in

00:19:09.840 Canada. We just listed Samadun as a terrorist group this year, but we still have the government not

00:19:15.280 even willing to arrest the leaders of Samadun, despite the fact that they still hold rallies,

00:19:19.680 burn Canadian flags and talk about how October 7th was brilliant and literally handing out pamphlets

00:19:26.000 telling, teaching people how to commit a mass casualty terror attack. That's happening in the

00:19:30.720 streets of Vancouver. And in British Columbia, the AEG Nikki Sharma will not move against this person,

00:19:37.280 Charlotte Cates, who is still the leader of Samadun. And it's a well-known money laundering

00:19:42.240 operation as well as a terror-promoting organization. Even when we list them as terrorists,

00:19:47.280 we don't really do anything about it. Absolutely. And it's interesting listening

00:19:52.560 to some of the late-night comedians south of the border, and even Democrats. I think

00:19:56.720 it's a Democrat talking point now. There is no Antifa. It doesn't exist. I mean, I think it does.

00:20:04.720 I'm pretty sure you don't have to be registered as a charitable organization and have

00:20:08.960 a, you know, a public-facing HQ to be an organization. There's a lot of things out there

00:20:14.960 that don't have, you know, a charitable tax status number that are in fact bad organizations. I'm not

00:20:20.480 sure if the Taliban has any, you know, specific numbered company that they operate under in Canada,

00:20:27.120 but I think we can still ban them, even though we don't know who they specifically are in terms of a

00:20:32.160 physical, in terms of like the, you know, the physical environment in Canada. We can see the

00:20:37.040 Antifa flags. We can see Antifa tactics. We can see people calling themselves Antifa. It is an

00:20:42.640 organization and you can ban them. It's a decentralized organization, but that's kind of how terrorist groups

00:20:48.800 work. Again, they're not going to have office space in downtown Toronto. Exactly. Wyatt Claypool,

00:20:54.080 thank you so much for coming on the show. We really appreciate it. Absolutely. Thanks for having me on.

00:20:58.000 And that is it for this edition of Straight Up with Mark Petroni. Appreciate you tuning in,

00:21:03.120 my friends. Let's do it again real soon, shall we? We'll see you next time.

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Carney goes ELBOWS DOWN after auto jobs vanish while Libs warm to Communist China

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