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00:00:00.000 This is the very first edition of Straight Up with Mark Petroni. I'm your host,

00:00:11.000 veteran broadcaster and journalist. You can follow me on at Mark Petroni on X,

00:00:17.020 or listen to two hours of freedom-loving news talk on Saga 960 AM. We're going to be doing

00:00:23.420 a lot of politicking on this show, a lot of talk about politics, and very happy to have you on

00:00:29.260 hand. Prime Minister Mark Petroni in Washington for trade talks. That's tomorrow. Some mixed

00:00:35.780 messages coming out of the mainstream media after some leaks to the Globe and Mail, CBC and CTV,

00:00:42.300 suggesting that, well, the Petroni team wants to keep expectations low. But is that necessarily

00:00:47.580 true? I mean, considering the failure of the Petroni government so far to negotiate some kind of

00:00:54.500 successful trade deal with the Trump administration, keeping expectations low shouldn't be too

00:01:00.820 difficult. But CTV is reporting the two sides could be close to a deal on aluminum and steel.

00:01:08.060 CBC also raising expectations that a deal on steel tariffs could be struck during Carney's trip to D.C.

00:01:15.880 There have been counter-reports that that is false. We'll just have to see what comes out of it.

00:01:21.960 Dairy industry, I'm sorry, Industry Minister Dominic LeBlanc has come out and said that Canada's dairy

00:01:27.440 industry protections are not up for negotiations, that despite the fact that the media was reporting

00:01:34.020 otherwise last week. This story from Juneau News. Trade Minister Dominic LeBlanc has declared Canada's

00:01:41.220 dairy supply management system off-limits in trade talks with the United States. Well, that's going

00:01:47.020 to be a toughie because we do know that it's a key issue for Trump, who has come out and complained

00:01:52.300 bitterly that Americans have been shut out of the Canadian dairy market for far too long. Meantime,

00:01:59.780 we have Premier Ford, his elbows way up, vowing to remove bottles of Manitoba-made Crown Royal

00:02:07.000 whiskey in retaliation for the parent company's decision to close its bottling plant in Amherstburg,

00:02:14.300 Ontario. Let's listen.

00:02:15.800 All the bigwigs at Diageo, I swear to God, those bottles of Crown Royal are coming off the LCBO

00:02:23.060 shelves. When the last person walks out through that door, we're going to make sure LCBO takes

00:02:30.220 off their brands because we need to stick together.

00:02:33.120 Yeah, there you go. That's Premier Doug Ford. I mean, it wasn't that long ago that he dumped a

00:02:38.320 bottle of the stuff onto the ground, so it sounds like he means business. Meantime, we've got the

00:02:42.640 leader of the Conservative Party of Canada saying this in his letter,

00:02:47.540 No more losing. It is time for you to deliver on the promised wins. Get U.S. tariffs off Canadian

00:02:54.280 softwood lumber. As Prime Minister Harper negotiated, within 80 days of taking office,

00:02:59.900 they have more than doubled since you took office. Time for the promised win for suffering

00:03:07.280 lumber workers, mills, and towns. He's also talking in this letter about Canadian steel,

00:03:13.360 aluminum, copper, and auto tariffs. Will Kearney be able to pull all of that off on this trip to

00:03:19.520 Washington, D.C.? It's hard to see it, but I will say this much before we get to our guest,

00:03:24.000 the terrific Dan McTague. Kearney desperately needs a win on the trade front. According to an

00:03:30.140 abacus poll, 40% of Canadians say Kearney has lived up to expectations. That same poll shows

00:03:36.860 Liberal support slipping. The Conservatives and Liberals are now in a virtual tie,

00:03:41.920 suggesting maybe that Canadians are starting to lose patience with Kearney, who swept into power

00:03:47.440 on some very lofty promises that have so far not been met. Kearney also, by the way, has a meeting

00:03:53.880 with Alberta Premier Danielle Smith. Alberta pushing hard for a new pipeline to the West Coast,

00:03:59.880 demanding that the project makes Kearney's national projects list. I can't believe that it hasn't done

00:04:05.480 so so far. Kearney has said it's all hypothetical since there is currently no company promoting such a

00:04:13.640 pipeline. Of course, why would they, considering all the regulatory hurdles that they've had to

00:04:18.820 go over in order to qualify for that, for making that project a reality? Anyway, let's bring in our

00:04:25.960 guest, Dan McTague. Dan, of course, spent 18 years on the Hill as a Liberal Member of Parliament. And I

00:04:32.280 know he has some thoughts about all these issues. Welcome, Dan. Mark, it's good to be here. And thank

00:04:37.540 you for taking me out to share some of my thoughts on all of this. Well, I hope you're honored,

00:04:43.340 because this is the very first edition of the show. And you're the very first guest. So I'm

00:04:47.540 absolutely thrilled to have you on. I'm not worthy. Well, the question is, is Mark Kearney worthy

00:04:54.420 of some of the optimistic predictions by the likes of CBC and CTV, suggesting that there could be a deal

00:05:03.540 in the works very soon on the issue of steel and aluminum? What are your expectations as far as that's

00:05:09.920 concerned? Well, he's going down there for something. And I suppose at this point, seven,

00:05:15.260 eight, nine months into his time as prime minister, anything is better than nothing,

00:05:19.460 because he's done a lot of talking, a lot of voyaging, a lot of travel around the world.

00:05:22.760 Only once in the United States, if my memory serves me correctly. So it'd be interesting to see if he's

00:05:27.880 actually going to come back with something that will actually be worthwhile. I mean, you can mention

00:05:33.000 as a small reprieve here or there. But I think it really sets the stage for what has already been

00:05:38.900 tariffs that are punitive, that are hurting, while at the same time, no decision, as far as

00:05:45.180 the wider question of what happens in the upcoming year end, next year's trade discussions on the USMCA.

00:05:53.980 I don't like calling it customer. It sounds dumb. But in any event, that's the point that this is

00:05:58.640 really a spring training and for what is going to happen next year. But I think for a lot of people,

00:06:04.900 hey, you're the guy that's supposed to get some deals. You weren't supposed to get that was

00:06:07.680 supposed to back down to retaliation. So far, you know, we've got damaging tariffs from China,

00:06:14.060 damaging tariffs in the United States, and absolutely no policies other than spending more money to try

00:06:19.940 to provide people short-term relief. That's nice. But I don't see any real reversal in policies

00:06:26.240 short of the carbon tax. You know, they're really putting on the accelerator towards what is an

00:06:32.660 inevitable wall that we're going to hit. That could happen, actually, not just with what happens with

00:06:37.080 Mr. Trump tomorrow, but also what happens on November 4th, when a declaration finally has to be

00:06:42.500 made to the woke Canadians out there, that you've spent the cupboards bare. And then some expect that

00:06:49.080 the bond rating agencies, I think, are going to want to pay a little bit more attention for the

00:06:52.780 first time. And no, my friends at the bond rating agencies, you can't consider the CPP as

00:06:59.340 collateralization for the massive debt that we've incurred so that the greedy folks and mooches 0.98

00:07:04.260 out there can continue to virtue signaling their net zero and other damaging policies that have brought

00:07:09.240 Canada to its knees in a decade. Now, I mentioned off the top of my comments, Dan, that

00:07:14.200 Mark Carney needs a win here. He's made some big promises. Lately, we have seen some of his numbers

00:07:21.720 and the numbers of the Liberal Party slip a little bit based on this new poll by Abacus that has the

00:07:27.160 Tories and the Liberals virtually tied. I mean, is it possible that maybe some of those people who

00:07:33.420 voted for Mark Carney in April are now starting to realize that maybe this guy was all talk and no

00:07:38.700 action? And Carney is under terrific pressure, not only from the opposition parties, but from others

00:07:45.900 who say, all right, you made all these great promises. We voted for you. But so far, no indication that any

00:07:51.660 of those promises have been met. He needs a win here, doesn't he?

00:07:55.180 He does. And he needs to show that he's going to, in some way, alleviate the pain that Canadians are

00:08:01.980 now starting to face, not just in terms of lost jobs, but higher costs for food, higher costs for

00:08:08.540 living, affordability issues, all things that he has to address in a very short period of time,

00:08:14.860 because he set the expectations so high. This is the guy who had all the experience and all the

00:08:19.660 worldly contacts and knew how to negotiate. You know, when you set yourself up to those kind of levels and

00:08:25.820 don't meet them, you really have to have more than a win here. You have to have something that's very

00:08:29.980 decisive. I don't see that happening. Despite the apple polishing by some of the media who are

00:08:35.820 purchased by him and his colleagues, there's no way of getting around this. We're in a very serious

00:08:42.140 economic straitjacket of our own making. And if it isn't going to get bad, if it's going to get better

00:08:47.820 with Mr. Trump tomorrow, it's certainly not going to get better next week when, you know, he piles on

00:08:52.940 with the premier of Alberta to say, hey, I'm not going to build another pipeline. That happens.

00:08:58.060 You know, he had a stronger hand to play today if he had a couple of pipelines already built. If he

00:09:02.540 hadn't gone around personally to try to remove the finances from, you know, the various investment

00:09:08.620 groups involved with oil and gas, we'd have a couple extra billion bucks in our jeans.

00:09:13.020 And at the end of the day, I think the economy would be much stronger. But look, this guy who's

00:09:16.860 got to reverse himself at the same time produced based on the narrative that the conservatives used in

00:09:21.580 the last election, not the liberals. So it's going to be kind of ironic and funny to watch this

00:09:25.340 happening is that people have to basically twist themselves inside out like pretzels

00:09:29.580 in order to make Kearney look that much better or relevant.

00:09:33.340 Well, speaking of the resource sector, he also has a meeting scheduled with Alberta Premier

00:09:37.740 Daniel Smith. We've got Alberta pushing hard for a new pipeline to the West Coast,

00:09:42.700 as well as East Coast. I mean, Energy East, as well as the pipeline to the coast. I mean,

00:09:48.220 there is a Trans Mountain line, which is delivering. And, you know, for the first time ever, I mean,

00:09:54.460 we're seeing oil, we're seeing energy projects, products loaded onto ships and sent off to markets

00:10:03.420 in Asia. But we need a lot more. And so this is one of the things that Daniel Smith is pushing for.

00:10:10.060 But it doesn't seem like the liberals are in any hurry to back off on their no more pipelines bill.

00:10:14.940 You know, the liberals have emission caps, they have pipeline blocking, they have tanker traffic

00:10:21.340 that they're not allowing. And at the same time, they cost Canadians $50 billion to build that

00:10:28.620 Trans Mountain pipeline expansion. That was going to be billed by Kinder Morgan for $6 billion at

00:10:33.260 their own expense. But this government and his friends and the NDP and the Green Movement

00:10:38.860 let every Tom, Dick and Harry take a shot at it. So the company basically said, listen,

00:10:42.700 the government of Canada, you gave your imperature, you put your sign on the dotted line,

00:10:47.340 we're going to sue you. And we knew we're gonna get sued. And so the government bought it,

00:10:51.260 but had to pay what, eight times, eight fold to get it finished. And as a result,

00:10:55.660 you know, this goes on the books that generations are gonna have to pay for. And now suddenly,

00:10:59.820 Mark Curran is, you know, humming and hawing about that his liberal colleagues seem to be opposed to

00:11:04.140 the idea of having oil produced. Look, if there's anything that has destroyed

00:11:09.100 the environment, the investment climate in this country, and I use that word very, very poignantly,

00:11:15.260 climate, what they've done is that they've destroyed any confidence private sector funding

00:11:20.300 anywhere around the world has had in Canada, because of what they've done. So it doesn't

00:11:23.660 matter what Mark Carney does tomorrow with Donald Trump, what matters more is that he has no easy

00:11:30.380 hand, he has no strength in terms of pushing back on Donald Trump and saying, you don't give us this,

00:11:35.340 we'll go that route. And it doesn't help, of course, that we have, you know, some premiers acting like

00:11:41.740 total buffoons, going around pouring damn good whiskey, made in Canada, continue to be made in 0.99

00:11:47.340 Canada, down the drain. Where was Doug Ford, who did that, when Mark Carney pulled out, you know,

00:11:52.700 pulled out Brookfield from Canada? I mean, that cost thousands of jobs and sent a very strong signal

00:11:58.220 to the province of Ontario, to Toronto, that this wasn't a very safe place to go. And the same guys who

00:12:03.340 want to undermine the country, same Mark Carney, who was once chair of this and Doug Ford, I mean,

00:12:08.540 they've got to pick a lane, but the lane is not to go after the small stuff, it's to go after the

00:12:12.300 big stuff, which I think is why tomorrow, don't expect anything, except a few people trying to

00:12:16.540 make a big deal out of nothing, which is what they're going to get tomorrow.

00:12:19.900 Yeah, and Trump is such a mercurial figure, you really don't know what he's going to do.

00:12:24.460 He may turn around and raise tariffs on some issues, depending on what happens.

00:12:29.340 I mean, and then we have this other matter about supply management. This is a thorny issue.

00:12:36.220 It's politically explosive for anybody who wants to go down that road. We have

00:12:40.620 a trade minister, Dominic LeBlanc, saying that Canada's dairy supply management system,

00:12:45.660 off limits, as far as trade talks with the United States goes. I mean, that's one of the key

00:12:50.300 issues that Trump wants discussed. So as soon as you take that off the table, then Trump might say,

00:12:56.060 well, fine, I can hit you harder if you want. And he has the power to do that.

00:13:00.780 So this is really tricky. I mean, the Liberals clearly don't want to go down that road.

00:13:05.340 A lot of Quebecers supported the Liberals in the last election, thinking elbows up. And if they start

00:13:13.260 to waver on supply management because they think they have no choice, then it's going to be potentially

00:13:19.340 very damaging politically for Carney. He's really between a rock and a hard place here, Dan.

00:13:24.780 You know, I expressed it to some of my friends who are Conservatives. I said, you know,

00:13:28.380 thank your lucky Spurs you didn't win the last election because there's no way the Liberals are

00:13:33.500 going to be able to handle all this and walk away smelling like roses. I have no doubt in my mind that

00:13:39.340 after 10 years of running the situation, running the show, they can't blame anybody. It's been a decade.

00:13:45.580 And so for that reason, it doesn't really matter at this point. I think the die is cast.

00:13:49.980 We may be only dealing with a few small, you know, incremental potential victories,

00:13:54.540 but at what cost? If we're not prepared to sell more oil and gas to the rest of the world,

00:13:59.260 if we're not prepared to remove all net zero taxes, carbon taxes, including the OBPS,

00:14:04.620 the output based pricing system, the second carbon tax, the clean fuel standard, get rid of EV mandates,

00:14:10.060 unless we're prepared to stop migration, which is where most Canadians are, unless we're prepared 0.99

00:14:14.300 to recognize that affordability is the most important issue in this country. It has been

00:14:17.980 for the past several years. It's only a matter of time before some politicians get to that point.

00:14:22.140 I think for the Liberal Party, it's through a mess. Dan, we'll clean it up.

00:14:27.020 Yeah, it's amazing how much intransigence that we're seeing from the Kearney government when it comes

00:14:33.020 to energy. It doesn't make any logical sense. I mean, we're looking at massive deficits, who knows,

00:14:40.220 90 billion, maybe more, 80, 90, 100 billion dollars. We're going to find out that magic number, hopefully,

00:14:47.660 on November 4th, when the budget is tabled. But you would think that with the state of the country,

00:14:52.700 the way it's in, that they would look at any way to generate revenues. And so the fact that they're

00:14:59.100 still sticking a stick into the spokes of the resource sector just doesn't make any sense.

00:15:05.580 And on top of that, we've got BC Premier Eby now saying he won't agree with a pipeline. And

00:15:12.780 Kearney apparently suggesting that if BC doesn't go along, then he's not going to go along.

00:15:18.780 I mean, it's that kind of frustration that's going to bubble up and continue to bubble up

00:15:23.100 in Alberta in favor of those who want to go independent.

00:15:26.860 I'm on the weekend. I put a bunch of tweets out about what I did in 2018, 2019, 2020,

00:15:32.380 fighting the NDP, BC government when they decided they were going to do everything they could,

00:15:37.420 including use every tool in the toolbox to block the TMX pipeline. That, as I mentioned earlier,

00:15:42.140 cost the Canadian public 50 billion dollars and basically sent a message to the rest of the world.

00:15:46.300 Canada is not a safe or reliable place in which you want to invest your money. You'll put it at risk

00:15:52.220 if you put any money in Canada. And you wonder why it takes 140 pennies to buy a US dollar?

00:15:56.460 Our Canadian dollar is costing you and I 24, 25 cents a litre on the price of gasoline.

00:16:01.420 What we've done here is we've allowed the fanatics on the left, and that's the NDP,

00:16:05.740 the Greens, the Bloc, and now the Liberal Party fully to basically drive this, the ship of state

00:16:13.180 right into the ground. And so for that reason, you know, I don't know what the short solution is.

00:16:18.220 I can tell you six months ago, I warned people this was going to happen. I went door to door and

00:16:22.220 warned them what would happen. I spent 18 years as a Liberal Member of Parliament. I've seen this

00:16:27.420 game before. My first gig in the House of Commons as a kid was working for the Housing Minister in 1981

00:16:32.700 when everyone was losing their shirt. I saw this happening again in 1997. Mark, we are heading down

00:16:39.100 a path for which recovery is going to be extraordinarily painful and difficult. And for people to play these

00:16:44.460 elbows up nonsense and pretend they're elbowzos. I mean, it's nothing short of being a denialist as

00:16:51.740 to how the impact of these bad policies have been, not just to the country, but also to individual

00:16:58.140 Canadians. A lot of people are hurting right now. You know, stats this morning from MNP

00:17:03.660 Resort, I guess they do a lot of accounting, came out and said, you know, one in three people are now,

00:17:10.380 you know, reducing their utilities, reducing their food, doing all sorts of things because they know

00:17:15.500 things are bad right now. It's bad now. Just wait till after November 4th when things when they're when

00:17:21.020 the stuff really hits the fan. And that's unfortunate. But that was the giddiness of all the people who

00:17:26.460 got their nose directly attached to that federal government trough. And if you think the federal debt

00:17:31.100 is bad, and the deficit is even worse, look at the subsovereign debt in places like British Columbia,

00:17:35.900 they just had their credit downgraded. So, folks, you want to be socialists, you want to fool around

00:17:40.780 with your vote, you want to pretend that you're all fearful, you don't like the orange man bad south

00:17:45.180 of the border, you didn't like COVID in 2021, you didn't like climate in 2018, 2019, you didn't,

00:17:50.860 you wanted more dope. If that's the way you're going to vote, if you're that, you know, susceptible and

00:17:56.300 that gullible, well, then you can expect what's going to happen. Many of you are going to basically go

00:18:00.540 below below the waterline. But you brought it upon yourselves by voting Liberal, NDP,

00:18:05.180 Bloc, and of course, Green. Yeah, it's amazing when you look at the actions of this government, 0.93

00:18:11.260 they do the opposite of what you would expect a government to do that was looking after the

00:18:15.500 interests of the Canadian people, whether you're talking about immigration, whether you're talking

00:18:20.060 about this bail issue now, with the Conservatives preparing to table this motion, calling for an end

00:18:27.500 to this revolving door bail system, in which so many suspected violent criminals have ended up

00:18:33.020 right back on the streets. I mean, to me, this is a no brainer, right? You do this, if you want to

00:18:39.260 make the streets safer for Canadians, and yet they just steadfastly refuse to do just the basic things 0.96

00:18:45.980 that anybody would do if their intentions were good. And that's why it's so bizarre looking at the

00:18:52.780 actions of these people. And to think that after 10 years, nine years of Trudeau, that we were going

00:18:58.700 to get something different when the same people are there doing basically the same thing, not changing

00:19:05.340 at all. I mean, these people must be, they're so completely bubble wrapped against the, you know,

00:19:11.260 misery that they keep on the rest of us, that maybe they just don't care. I mean, I got calls during my

00:19:18.460 radio show today from people saying, what is it with these people? They don't respond. I mean,

00:19:22.540 when you are a member of parliament, I'm absolutely sure that when people wanted to talk to you,

00:19:27.020 you talk to them, right? You pick up the phone, you had a conversation, you know, what's on your mind,

00:19:32.700 what's bugging you about what we're doing, and then you take that to caucus. You know, what I hear

00:19:38.620 is people who say, I tried to reach my Liberal member of parliament, they don't return their calls,

00:19:43.660 they just don't care. What is going on here with this party? The party doesn't care. It's because

00:19:49.660 they can create a, you know, hermetic seal between themselves and the people who vote for them. But

00:19:54.620 that's the problem is that then they can rely on the media and other influencers to continue to present

00:20:00.220 them as something that they clearly are not. And that's responsible, democratic, accountable

00:20:05.020 representatives. And I say representatives, they shouldn't be speaking on behalf of anyone.

00:20:08.780 The word parliament comes to the word to speak, as we say in French,

00:20:13.260 they don't speak for anyone, but the Liberal talking points. And that's where I think Canadians

00:20:17.580 made a calculated mistake on April, you know, April the 20th, 29th, and they're going to continue to

00:20:24.380 pay for it going forward. It's the world is upside down. But here's the interesting part. Tomorrow,

00:20:31.900 Carney meets with Trump. Trump was the guy said he'd love to do a deal with the with Carney. You know why?

00:20:36.940 Because he's a poltroon, he's weak, and he knows it. And had he had Mr. Polyev to deal with, 1.00

00:20:41.660 I don't think the outcome would have been as strong. One of the strongest cards Mr. Polyev would

00:20:45.420 have put forward and said, the moment I become prime minister, three to four oil projects get

00:20:49.500 and gas projects get immediately greenlit. It doesn't matter what opposition is out there.

00:20:54.140 And I will damn well bring the army in to push these fanatics out of the way, if necessary,

00:20:58.140 to get these things done. And he would have talked to Donald Trump and said,

00:21:01.260 in six months or 10 months or in a year from now, we're going to have oil. You don't want to buy our oil

00:21:04.940 at discount at $10, $20 a barrel. We'll sell it to someone else. There's a lot of people out there,

00:21:09.180 12 countries. Some of our best friends would buy our oil. Instead, we got a prime minister flying

00:21:14.380 around the world pretending he can sell hydrogen and do all sorts of wonderful little deals that

00:21:19.020 amount to absolutely nothing and make us extraordinarily weak. So if we go into tomorrow,

00:21:24.300 it'll be on bended knee with our hands together praying that we don't get clobbered because tomorrow,

00:21:29.820 it looks like it's not going to be a very great day for Canada.

00:21:33.020 Well, up to now, Carney has had a scapegoat, right? I mean, he's been able to point his fingers and say,

00:21:38.780 it's all Trump. You know, we tried to make a deal and he just wasn't cooperating.

00:21:43.740 After moving Brookfield to the United States, I mean, oh my God, after moving Brookfield to

00:21:47.900 the United States, buying the largest pipeline in the world, the colonial pipeline, and you were

00:21:52.780 CEO, you can't say you were just sort of a passive player. No, he had this plan and a lot

00:21:58.780 of suckers in this country fell for it. They're called liberal supporters.

00:22:01.180 Yeah, but will they fall for it next time? And yeah, I mean, it's easy to be cynical.

00:22:08.140 Give them some free stuff. You know, tell them their pensions are going to be fine or they can

00:22:12.460 get free debt, free this, free that. The country is in real trouble. It's economically not viable,

00:22:17.980 not feasible. Don't take my word for it. Of course, you and I have been talking about this

00:22:20.700 for three or four years, saying this day would come. It's here. And now the interim PBO chair has simply

00:22:26.380 said what you and I have articulated for quite some time. The country has gone down a very,

00:22:30.860 very dark path for which recovery is going to be extraordinarily difficult, if not painful.

00:22:34.860 And that's for especially for liberals out there who thought they were immune.

00:22:38.140 But wouldn't it be something if he couldn't pass that budget? I mean, he's already had a meeting

00:22:43.660 with the interim leader of the of the NDP. They have seven seats. And so, you know, I think we're

00:22:51.100 in a situation here where an election is not beyond the realm of possibility,

00:22:56.540 depending on how the liberals play it.

00:23:00.380 Well, what money do we have left to spend to get to entreat people to the idea that they can

00:23:04.620 somehow buy their votes again? Because apparently a lot of Canadians have this sort of parasitic 0.98

00:23:09.100 attitude of give me something. Give me a little mooch. I want to mooch a little bit of money so that I'll 0.88

00:23:13.500 vote for you. There's no money, folks. The cupboards are bare. As Pierre Trudeau said back in 1982,

00:23:19.740 these are dire straits. And I'm not talking about the rock band.

00:23:24.620 And then, of course, you had Mulroney coming in with that massive majority in 84.

00:23:29.740 He was in there until 93. And I guess you, you swept in as part of that wave, right?

00:23:34.940 Yeah, that's right. Things didn't get better. And Mulroney tried to do what,

00:23:39.100 undo what Trudeau had done. Couldn't do it. It actually took Paul Martin, Jean-Cretze and provinces

00:23:44.460 to help us bring the deficit back and bring finances back in order. And by the way, Mark,

00:23:48.940 I think the success of that time, being able to sell more oil to the United States and having a

00:23:53.020 strong integrated international economy, our trade relationship with the United States being very,

00:23:57.980 very good. I mean, we've benefited from a lot of things, but this generation, generally speaking,

00:24:02.860 but this generation of Liberals has completely forgotten fiscal responsibility. And as a result,

00:24:07.740 we're all going to suffer rather dramatically post November 4th.

00:24:12.060 Last question. Will the Liberal Party ever get back to what it was in your day?

00:24:17.980 It can only do that if it is crushed in the election. There's just too many people out there

00:24:22.220 who've got government jobs, who have pensions, and who are a big part of the woke DEI ESG agenda.

00:24:29.500 They will never go away, even though people like their leaders like Greta Thunberg have,

00:24:33.980 even though people like Mark Carney, who I'm surprised is going to the United States,

00:24:37.020 isn't charged under antitrust provisions of the Department of Justice cartelization of the

00:24:43.660 financial sector when he tried to ensure that no lending institution in the United States or other

00:24:49.260 places would lend money to oil or gas companies. But beyond that, I think it's likely the Liberal

00:24:57.180 Party isn't going to be changing much until it sees itself in crushing defeat. It saw that 2011 when I

00:25:03.020 lost and what emerged wasn't a central party, but in fact, a far left extreme party. And so I think

00:25:09.340 that's where they're heading. Maybe they'll be heading even further to the left if they can get

00:25:13.660 the seven NDP to join them, which wouldn't be a surprise. And then, you know, remain what they are,

00:25:18.940 the social, sometimes democratic party that has now been embraced by some unsuspecting Canadians.

00:25:25.980 Dan McTague, thank you so much for coming on the show. Canadians for affordable energy. You see the

00:25:30.060 sign there behind, behind Dan. Check it out today. Thank you, sir. Great chatting with you.

00:25:35.100 Good to be here, Mark. Thanks for having me.

00:25:37.900 And that is it for this edition of Straight Up with Mark Petroni. Appreciate you tuning in,

00:25:41.260 my friends. Hope you enjoyed the segment. We'll do it again soon. Bye-bye for now.

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