Juno News - Carney LOSING support to Avi Lewis’ NDP

00:00:00.000 By Premier Doug Ford, who refused to take a shot at President Trump during an interview

00:00:11.360 at CNN. In the past, Ford has attacked the president as a tyrant and a bully, 0.62

00:00:17.860 but in a seven-minute interview with Wolf Blitzer, Ford was given multiple opportunities to rip the

00:00:23.820 president and declined, signaling a more conciliatory approach. In a two-day visit to

00:00:30.160 Washington, D.C., Ford has met with politicians and other officials, but not anyone connected with

00:00:36.160 the Trump administration. While you're here in Washington, are you going to be meeting with

00:00:40.540 senior Trump administration officials? I'm going to be meeting with senior senators and

00:00:45.600 congresspeople and getting that message out. We've had a tremendous amount of meetings with

00:00:51.300 other stakeholders and associations, no matter if it's the auto sector or if it's the agricultural

00:00:57.140 sector, manufacturing sector. That's what we need to focus on. But nobody from the Trump

00:01:02.660 administration? No, I'm going to leave that. That's strictly up to the federal government,

00:01:06.880 our federal government, to deal with them. I'm boots on the ground. I'm dealing with the governors,

00:01:12.220 dealing with senators and congresspeople and business leaders that get the message

00:01:17.080 over the White House. Ford even laughed off references by Trump to Canada becoming the

00:01:23.220 51st state, something he has bitterly attacked in the past. Well, in last year's federal election,

00:01:30.240 the NDP won just six seats, leading some to wonder if the party would ever be a political force in

00:01:36.320 Canada again. Mark Carney, the leader of the Liberal Party, was the beneficiary, the main

00:01:43.000 beneficiary as the leftist vote coalesced around the liberals. But the latest polling suggests the

00:01:49.580 new Democrats are far from dead. This headline from the National Post from John Iveson, the

00:01:56.980 disturbingly powerful allure of Abby Lewis's Gen Z socialism. Here's an example where Lewis 0.89

00:02:04.820 proposes a global income tax to redistribute wealth around the world. And it brought to mind

00:02:12.200 And this recent, this very recent research from Thomas Piketty, the academic who really

00:02:19.020 set the global standard for mapping inequality globally, who brought out a massive new study

00:02:23.960 on how to manage, like how to sustain democracy on planet Earth and prevent the rise of authoritarianism

00:02:30.280 by dealing with extreme wealth inequality within planetary boundaries.

00:02:34.120 And suggested, this research suggested that we need a global wealth tax, we need global

00:02:37.840 income taxes to transfer resources from north to south to deal with a climate breakdown and to deal

00:02:44.740 with the fact that very few people control most of the wealth on earth. As noted in the National

00:02:50.180 Post column, since May the 15th, nine opinion polls have the NDP in double-digit territory,

00:02:56.740 mainly due to a cooling in sentiment on the left for the liberals. Our guest today is Jasmine Lane,

00:03:02.740 online political commentator. Great to have you on the show, Jasmine.

00:03:06.540 Thank you so much.

00:03:07.400 It's good to see you.

00:03:08.840 Dare I call it a charm offensive by Doug Ford, south of the border? 0.97

00:03:12.520 I mean, here's a guy who has taken many, many shots at Trump, calling him a tyrant, a bully. 0.58

00:03:20.800 It seems like every opportunity he gets, he takes a shot at the president. 0.57

00:03:24.340 He goes down to Washington, D.C., meets with a few people, probably all Democrats or maybe

00:03:30.740 a couple of rhinos in there. 0.84

00:03:32.020 but given an opportunity to do the same thing on CNN, he didn't do it. He didn't take the

00:03:38.600 opportunity to call Trump any names or anything like that. Instead, he focused on the same thing

00:03:44.500 that the feds have been talking about, which is Fortress North America. Let's build on what we've

00:03:49.200 had in the past. What's happened to Doug Ford? I think perhaps Doug Ford has realized just how

00:03:55.980 much. Ontario, especially the auto sector, is dependent on America. And, you know, I would even

00:04:02.180 add, too, in terms of the Carney Liberals and Doug Ford and how all of them have been treating

00:04:06.620 this situation with the elbows-up rhetoric, at the end of the day, the truth has always been the

00:04:11.540 truth, and that is that Canada is very dependent on America. That's not a bad thing either. In fact,

00:04:17.240 it has helped our economy grow substantially for many, many decades. It's been a win-win-win

00:04:22.520 for everybody in most regards and you know the fact that the U.S. accounts for 70 percent of

00:04:29.640 exports and I was also reading just a few days ago that Toyota as an example they have been in

00:04:34.300 the government lobby registry because they've been lobbying for a USMCA deal because that is

00:04:40.420 absolutely everything to them and so you know you can you can play tough guy all you want

00:04:44.920 but at the end of the day the truth is always going to come and slap you in the face.

00:04:49.480 Yeah.

00:04:49.860 I mean, the strategy up to now, which is to attack Trump at every opportunity, has failed

00:04:56.080 miserably.

00:04:56.960 And he's kept it up for months, months and months.

00:05:00.880 I was wondering when it was finally going to dawn on him that this was a failed strategy

00:05:05.000 that had to be changed. 0.97

00:05:07.440 Now, Trump is no fool.

00:05:09.220 He's going to see that there has been a change. 0.76

00:05:11.960 I don't know if he's going to respond necessarily.

00:05:13.880 He may, he may not.

00:05:15.240 Or maybe he's just going to continue to ignore Doug Ford.

00:05:17.940 but he did not get any opportunities to meet with anybody remotely associated with the Trump

00:05:25.020 administration. Now, he said, well, no, I'm leaving that up to the feds. You know, I'll let

00:05:29.740 Carney and his people meet with the Trump administration. But the fact is nobody in

00:05:36.500 Trump's entourage or close to him had any interest in talking to Doug Ford at all.

00:05:42.240 No, no, not in the slightest. And, you know, ultimately, I think there's a lot of Canadian

00:05:47.140 citizens and politicians alike who I think perhaps they they are of the belief that because

00:05:53.940 Canada's media media system is so isolated from the rest of the world that the rest of the world

00:05:59.780 is also isolated from what's happening in Canada and that could not be further from the truth

00:06:04.020 um one thing I hear constantly whenever I interview or or have off the records and chat with

00:06:09.600 U.S. officials because the Canada-U.S. relationship is so it's so imperative for our growth and

00:06:15.200 success. Not to say that we shouldn't diversify. We should have been doing that for many years.

00:06:19.560 But at the end of the day, geography does matter. And I always hear from everybody I talk to that

00:06:25.140 Trump watches CBC News. He watches CTV News. His team is briefing him on everything that's being

00:06:31.840 said about him all the time. So are other people from the administration. They are keeping a close

00:06:36.980 eye on what's being said. And I think in part as well, due to Justin Trudeau and how he was with

00:06:42.020 being incredibly two-faced, as Trump put it himself, in saying one thing to his face,

00:06:46.880 another behind his back. And he sees the exact same thing from this new liberal government as

00:06:52.000 well. And so, you know, you got to be careful, especially when you are truly the dependent one

00:06:58.140 in this situation. And that's not to say that Canada doesn't offer anything to the U.S. It

00:07:02.400 absolutely does. But the way that I view it, if I'm trying to look for the signal and the message

00:07:08.600 beyond the rhetoric is that Donald Trump is well aware of just how important Canada is with America

00:07:15.440 and how much would be impacted if USMCA was not renegotiated or there were some really big issues

00:07:22.860 in that regard. But Donald Trump also knows that as an American, as America, as their economy is,

00:07:29.480 with the way that they are building industry and infrastructure right now, that if Canada

00:07:33.940 were to completely shift all the way over to China or the EU, America would figure it out.

00:07:39.600 So it's not a matter of they don't need us. They do. But if something happens where we are no

00:07:44.380 longer an option, they will figure it out and they and they will move on without us one way

00:07:49.540 or another. That is the American imperative. Yeah. I mean, the reality is we do need the

00:07:55.900 American market more than it needs us. Yeah, there's mutual gain, but it's existential for us.

00:08:02.780 And the idea that somehow we're going to offset any losses in American trade with China or Europe, that's a non-starter.

00:08:12.640 We're never going to have as great and as close a market to enjoy, you know, as we now have with the Americans.

00:08:21.860 So maybe that was one of the things that factors into this attitude change.

00:08:26.980 I just hope that it gets the attention of some people in the Trump administration and maybe they soften towards us.

00:08:33.500 Right now, we're getting nowhere. We're just spinning our wheels.

00:08:36.280 We know the Americans are talking with the Mexicans that have been for months and maybe are getting closer to a deal where Canada is completely shut out. 0.83

00:08:43.780 And so I guess after weeks of just getting nowhere with the Americans, this seems like maybe a last ditch effort.

00:08:50.860 Oh, let's try being nice.

00:08:52.140 Yeah. You know, if there's anything I've learned from covering politics and analyzing Donald Trump quite a lot, as it does have a huge impact on what's happening here in Canada in many ways, the fact that he has recently forgiven Elon Musk and said that they're friends again after what Elon posted on X when they were fighting a while back, I think Trump is a pretty forgiving person so long as you're coming at it in good faith.

00:09:18.180 And, you know, trade talks are never fun.

00:09:21.140 And genuinely, I may have disagreed with a lot of what was coming out of the Ford government and the Kearney Liberals, but I want them to succeed.

00:09:28.180 I want them to do an incredible job and get us a great deal.

00:09:30.840 And I hope that that does end up happening.

00:09:33.460 Yeah, great point.

00:09:34.600 I also want to ask you about the surge in NDP support lately.

00:09:39.820 I mean, it's about nine polls that have come out in the last little while, and suddenly the NDP is in double digits and getting stronger at about the same rate that the liberals are losing support.

00:09:51.780 So in the last abacus poll, liberals were down three, NDP was up three, and some have come out, like Iverson over at the National Post, and suggested that there is an appeal amongst younger voters towards some of the radical left policies that the NDP has put forward.

00:10:10.640 And it has dawned on me that as Carney tries to inch closer to the center after 10 years of Justin Trudeau, tries to move to the center, he's alienating some people in his caucus, people like Steve Gilboa, of course, who said he's leaving, and others, the radical environmental wing of the Liberal Party.

00:10:33.380 and some of the hardcore leftists there are starting to get a little grumpy about the direction

00:10:39.720 that Carney is going. And it's being reflected in some of the polling which suggests that the NDP

00:10:46.580 is gaining back some of the votes that they lost to the Liberals at the last election.

00:10:52.080 Is this a trend, do you think, could continue? I think it's very plausible for sure. I mean,

00:10:57.420 you would naturally expect to see a bit of a bump once a new leader is selected. That's

00:11:01.800 pretty common for the most part. But I also think it's important to recognize a series of patterns

00:11:08.260 that have taken place. And, you know, not just in the education system with various institutions,

00:11:13.120 as well as just messaging and communications in general. But there are a lot of particularly

00:11:17.920 younger Canadians who have grown up with the liberal government, right, where they have grown

00:11:23.480 up with the government should just kind of take care of everything, the government should be very

00:11:27.040 involved in your life. And so for them, that's normal. And they're trained and taught very well

00:11:32.780 that, you know, anything opposing this ideology is a scary bad guy. And you don't even want to

00:11:37.340 consider it because then that makes you a scary bad guy, which is some of the most brilliant

00:11:41.580 messaging I've ever seen in political communications, for sure. But I think that you do have a lot of

00:11:47.720 other young people. And I wouldn't I wouldn't put this solely at them either. But ultimately,

00:11:52.700 Avi Lewis is somebody where he may have some very far left socialism, socialistic ideas that have

00:12:01.960 proven to fail everywhere they've ever been applied. But ultimately, he is he is naming the

00:12:08.200 villain very clearly. And I don't necessarily think that there are a whole bunch of Canadians

00:12:14.240 who suddenly are embracing socialism, right, or anything like that, per se. But what they are

00:12:21.240 embracing is somebody who's speaking to them about the things that really matter and you know

00:12:25.720 you need a villain give me a name and and I think that Avi Lewis has done a really good job at at

00:12:31.860 doing that and speaking to their pain in a way that's thoughtful and articulate um and it seems

00:12:36.720 very very genuine and he seems very compassionate and I think I think it's just more so of that

00:12:42.860 side of things where where people are really hurting and he's calling it out right and it's

00:12:47.080 a lot easier to hurt. And, you know, you may still have a lot of liberal ideology, right? So

00:12:53.200 you're not going to go conservative in some of these cases, but going NDP, well, that's socially

00:12:59.000 acceptable to do. So I think you're seeing a bit of that for sure. But I don't know. I think it's

00:13:07.500 an interesting, it's an interesting idea, a lot of what he has. And I think that it's beneficial

00:13:13.900 overall for elections if you want to say that because you know a lot of people will fault

00:13:19.060 various things for the conservative loss and many of them it's all part of the same story so

00:13:23.620 you're not wrong for faulting various things but one of the big things that I noticed at least when

00:13:29.380 looking at the the demographics and their voting was was solely the complete destruction of the

00:13:34.940 NDP and so it is helpful to for conservatives at the very least to to have that changed yeah I think

00:13:41.540 if you're going to get 43 percent of the popular vote, which the liberals got last time, you know,

00:13:47.820 you get that by pretending to be all things to all people. Yeah. So the left saw somebody who,

00:13:55.620 oh, yeah, this guy's on our side, you know, given his book Values and his radical environmentalism,

00:14:02.540 his views about DEI and all these types of policies. This is our guy. And besides,

00:14:08.060 We've got to keep Kier Paliyev from becoming prime minister.

00:14:11.240 So let's throw our support.

00:14:12.860 And hence, you saw what happened with the NDD reduced to a handful of seats, six seats.

00:14:18.480 All those leftists gravitated towards the liberals.

00:14:21.200 And then some, maybe on the center side of the political spectrum, saw Carney.

00:14:26.620 Oh, yeah, he's more moderate, you know, because he was a central banker in Canada as well as in England.

00:14:32.840 So he's in that economic mind.

00:14:35.240 You know, he's not a nut job on the far left.

00:14:38.060 You know, so this is a reasonable person. So out of that, you get somebody who can be all things to both sides of the political spectrum. And now what we're seeing slowly the realization that no, he's not, you know, that in fact, he may not make the leftist happy or they may not make conservatives happy, you know.

00:14:57.560 So, you know, it wouldn't surprise me to see the walls starting to close in on these liberal numbers more and more as people realize that this is this is not a guy who's going to do all things to to everybody.

00:15:11.900 You know, he's not going to be possible. He's not going to be a savior of the nation.

00:15:16.120 He's had over a year now to make good on those promises that he made during the election campaign.

00:15:20.760 And it still hasn't happened. And the economy continues to languish.

00:15:23.940 all he's got really is people in the media saying, it's not really a recession, you know.

00:15:30.180 You know, I want to point out too, I really do miss the days when traditional liberals

00:15:37.640 were very much against central bankers and technocrats. Those were good days. Now,

00:15:43.900 as a conservative who maintains that, you're called a far right extremist, which I think

00:15:47.780 is quite ironic, but welcome to Canada. Yeah, absolutely. A couple of minutes. The

00:15:55.180 county government is looking at age restrictions on social media for under 16-year-olds. I don't

00:16:01.280 see how they're going to enforce it. It's going to be tricky, but obviously it's a safety feature.

00:16:07.340 What do you make of this? I think it's ludicrous overall. I also think a lot of the polling for 0.82

00:16:13.620 it has been quite disingenuous um there was a poll i can't remember who is angus reed that they

00:16:19.520 found that about 75 percent of canadians agreed that there should be um a full ban on social media

00:16:25.960 for youth 16 and under and the thing about that that's just very disingenuous is you know it's

00:16:31.500 one thing to say yeah it should be banned i guess in some very vague idea poll it's another to

00:16:36.700 recognize that the implementation for that would require digital ids um some sort of verification

00:16:42.480 for every Canadian, really, because you can't only target those who are underage without knowing the

00:16:49.780 age of everybody else. So I think everything about this is very interesting. And I also think that

00:16:55.340 once the Liberals table whatever their plan is, and Canadians are able to truly see what enforcement

00:17:01.640 would actually require, you're going to see the public sentiment shift quite a lot. I do also

00:17:06.780 think in general, this is the same government ideology that has said that parents shouldn't

00:17:12.940 be notified about things that are happening with their children in schools. And now suddenly they

00:17:17.180 want to also enforce them being on the internet. I would additionally add that Canada has a pretty

00:17:23.420 bad track record of knowing of other things happening in the world and never learning from

00:17:28.160 their mistakes. Australia is a really good example. They passed this very similar legislation back in

00:17:33.240 2025. I think it was December of 2025. And it has proven to be a complete and total failure.

00:17:39.200 There's been various reports that have come out from social media platforms showing that there

00:17:43.260 still is about 70% and up of the age group that they were targeting who are utilizing those

00:17:49.060 platforms because kids will be kids and they're finding ways around it. And so it's shocking to

00:17:56.320 me that the liberals are essentially using the same copy and paste method to make it look like

00:18:00.720 they're doing something really helpful for children I also think I'm pretty tired of them

00:18:05.360 exploiting children in order to pass things because that always seems to be the game plan

00:18:09.940 like oh well we're gonna install this mass surveillance on everybody but it's to help the

00:18:14.540 kids stop using kids as a way to pass these things it's it's just evil it's not it's not right

00:18:20.480 and truly also and this may be unpopular to me but ultimately if you're a parent and you're

00:18:27.660 overwhelmed by children on the internet i get it my parents were overwhelmed by that too i was not

00:18:33.900 allowed to have a computer until i was 18 moved out and could afford one on my own and i turned

00:18:38.380 out pretty good for it i read lots of books growing up sure i was a bit of a loser in high

00:18:43.260 school who didn't have cell phones to snapchat with all my friends but i'm actually quite grateful

00:18:48.380 for that um and i think it's important for for the government to never ever get involved in private

00:18:53.180 decisions private devices that parents are giving their children and as a parent if that's

00:18:58.380 something that's gotten so out of control that you want the government to step in because you

00:19:02.540 are so anxious about it i hear you those concerns are valid there are predators lurking in the

00:19:07.020 shadows absolutely everywhere but your children are still going to find a way on social media

00:19:11.740 that has been proven with the australia model and they're the bad guys are still going to be there

00:19:17.420 so i i think you know be a parent and try not to be so much of a friend as you are the mom or the

00:19:25.100 dad in in the relationship and sometimes that means enforcing rules that are not popular and

00:19:30.140 punishing your kids when when they break those rules i was terrified of my parents growing up

00:19:35.180 and that didn't stop me from having an amazing relationship with them so um i just think in

00:19:40.620 general this is one of those things where the government has has no right to get involved in

00:19:45.340 it and and overall if if the issue truly is just that parents are so overwhelmed by this

00:19:51.900 take away your kids phones the fact that they even added in exemptions for this bill already

00:19:56.220 i think is proof that or this proposed bill is proof that they know it's not going to be easily

00:20:02.380 enforced so i just think in general it's it's not the government's job you know the the so what do

00:20:09.020 we have in canada now the government feeds your kids a chewy bar at lunch with a national school

00:20:12.940 food program takes care of your dental care in retirement and takes care of your child care and

00:20:18.220 now they're also taking care of your kids being on the internet like we need some we need some

00:20:22.220 responsibility accountability and autonomy back in our own lives as citizens yeah absolutely let's

00:20:28.060 put some guard rails on government you know stop the overreach jasmine thank you so much for coming

00:20:33.580 on the show thank you jasmine lane if you enjoyed this show consider supporting great independent

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Juno News - June 10, 2026

Carney LOSING support to Avi Lewis’ NDP

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