Juno News - Carney returning from Asia EMPTY-HANDED？!

00:00:00.000 And welcome to Straight Up. I am your host, Mark Bertrone.

00:00:07.820 Is Prime Minister Carney about to come home empty-handed from his Asia summit?

00:00:13.680 Well, we'll know for sure after he meets with Chinese leader Xi Jinping,

00:00:18.320 but barring a last-minute agreement with China, there is precious little to report

00:00:23.160 in terms of concrete trade agreements with any of the Asian leaders that Carney met with over the

00:00:29.320 last week. Contrast that with U.S. President Trump's announcement of deals and agreements

00:00:35.460 in principle with countries like Malaysia, Cambodia, Thailand, and Vietnam, and most

00:00:40.920 importantly, China. Trump says there's been a major de-escalation in the trade dispute with that

00:00:47.200 country.

00:00:48.120 Overall, I guess on the scale of from zero to ten, with ten being the best, I would say the

00:00:53.620 meeting was at 12. I think it was at 12.

00:00:57.020 Now, Trump also made good on his promise not to talk with the Canadians about anything

00:01:01.920 substantial during his Asian trip. Let's listen.

00:01:06.040 Anything on Canada? Anything on Canada?

00:01:08.820 We had a very nice conversation with him last night.

00:01:11.700 We really did.

00:01:12.580 Thank you.

00:01:13.340 When he wasn't exchanging pleasantries with Mark Carney, Trump was making deals, and a lot

00:01:18.220 of them, on the all-important issue of energy exports to China, Carney has been outflanked

00:01:23.900 by Trump, who announced a, quote, very large-scale deal involving oil and gas from Alaska.

00:01:31.160 He's also got commitments from the Chinese on critical minerals, soybeans, and curbing

00:01:36.320 China's export of the chemical precursors used in the manufacturing of illegal fentanyl.

00:01:41.980 Now, will Carney succeed in convincing China to drop its tariffs on Canadian canola products?

00:01:48.420 We'll have to see.

00:01:50.020 Is it possible that our elbows-up trade strategy with the United States has deterred other countries

00:01:56.380 from dealing with us for fear of backlash from the United States?

00:02:01.000 I mean, consider what just happened in Japan, for instance.

00:02:04.000 Prime Minister Carney was planning on a state visit to that country, but the Japanese bumped 1.00

00:02:09.520 him.

00:02:09.740 The excuse they gave at the time was it was just too close to the appointment of a new

00:02:14.300 Chinese prime minister.

00:02:15.560 But then the Japanese gave Trump a full state visit.

00:02:20.060 There may be countries that see us mired in a bitter trade fight with the Americans and

00:02:24.800 think they have to pick sides.

00:02:27.540 And choosing access to the huge U.S. retail market over Canada is, frankly, a no-brainer.

00:02:33.640 But I will pose that question, raise that issue with John Robson in our interview coming

00:02:38.200 up shortly.

00:02:38.740 And while Carney prepares to announce a climate competitiveness strategy, one of the world's

00:02:44.620 highest-profile climate change activists has done a stunning reversal.

00:02:50.300 Billionaire Bill Gates now admits climate change is not an existential threat and that a lot of

00:02:56.760 money has been wasted fighting it.

00:02:58.780 climate is a super important problem.

00:03:04.660 There's enough innovation here to avoid super bad outcomes.

00:03:10.160 And as we go about trying to minimize that, we have to frame it in terms of overall human

00:03:17.600 welfare, not just everything should be solely for climate.

00:03:21.480 It wasn't the goal here to improve human lives.

00:03:25.480 Well, the gates climbed down.

00:03:29.360 It may be seen as a signal to some that the radical environmentalists' hysterical push to win over

00:03:35.360 hearts and minds has been lost.

00:03:37.460 And joining me now is John Robson, who is a journalist, a historian and a documentary filmmaker.

00:03:43.340 Welcome, John.

00:03:44.340 Thank you.

00:03:45.340 I mean, it is interesting seeing Trump come back with a sack full of trade deals that he's

00:03:52.640 announced with countries like Malaysia, for instance.

00:03:56.660 But really, the biggie is China.

00:03:59.540 And those deals include soybeans, includes energy.

00:04:04.040 These are the types of products that we wanted to sell to Chinese.

00:04:07.080 So I would suggest that we kind of got outflanked by Trump in Asia, where he met with Xi Jinping.

00:04:14.220 He got the deals he wanted.

00:04:15.980 He's coming back.

00:04:17.420 Now, what can we expect from Mark Carney?

00:04:19.960 I mean, barring some last minute wheeling and dealing, unless he pulls something rabbit out

00:04:25.260 of his hat, I don't see that he's going to have a whole lot to show for his trip out there.

00:04:29.760 What do you think?

00:04:30.760 I think we could confidently expect verbiage.

00:04:33.760 Mark Carney is extremely good at stringing together long abstractions into plausible grammatical

00:04:40.080 constructions.

00:04:41.080 But what we really need in Canada is to get our own house in order, right?

00:04:45.240 First of all, internal free trade.

00:04:47.580 We can and should get rid of interprovincial trade barriers.

00:04:51.120 It would be a huge free money boost to our economy.

00:04:54.820 We need to get rid of the rules and the taxes and the regulations.

00:04:59.320 And more than anything else, I think the uncertainty that is inhibiting investment in Canada.

00:05:04.900 I'm not a big fan of getting into bed with the communist Chinese. 1.00

00:05:08.160 They're very dangerous. 1.00

00:05:09.560 They're dishonest.

00:05:10.460 They don't keep their promises. 1.00

00:05:12.340 I think that a trade strategy based on China is foolishness.

00:05:15.840 But I think that a trade strategy based on removing our own barriers, internal and external,

00:05:22.580 and freeing up the energy and ingenuity and dynamism of our people is the no-brainer.

00:05:28.020 But of course, the budget that we're going to get on November 4th, you know, the austerity

00:05:31.780 and investment budget will frankly contain very little of either.

00:05:35.700 There will be a lot of spending.

00:05:37.320 There will be some of it will be labeled investment.

00:05:40.500 But as Abraham Lincoln supposedly said, you know, if you call a cow's tail its leg, it doesn't then have five legs.

00:05:46.740 And much of the investment will be from the government and they will continue to do things that scare away private investors.

00:05:54.980 Mark Carty is all hat and no cattle.

00:05:58.020 I can't believe people fall for his act.

00:05:59.860 I mean, I know it worked at Davos for 20 years and he became a very rich man.

00:06:03.780 So I understand why he thinks he's saying something.

00:06:06.100 But I can't understand why people reading what he says and going, there are no ideas in that cloud of words, think to themselves, oh, I guess wiser and better people than I know what he meant.

00:06:20.260 I think I'll vote for him again.

00:06:23.060 I mean, there's been a lot of talk.

00:06:24.420 If you go right back to the ads and the impact they had and how Doug Ford came out and said, well, you know, millions, tens of millions of people, billions of people have seen these ads.

00:06:35.860 And I think that they have actually undermined our ability to get deals with other countries, countries not named the United States.

00:06:45.060 Reason being, countries see the fight that we're having with the United States and they don't necessarily want to kind of get mixed up in any of it.

00:06:52.580 You know, they might feel like, well, you know, these two are really going at it.

00:06:56.500 Maybe it's time for me to choose.

00:06:58.740 You know, do I have to pick a side here?

00:07:00.300 And if I'm going to pick a side, I'm going to pick the side in which has a huge market, not the one that has a puny one.

00:07:06.340 So I'm making the case that I think that ad and just the ongoing belligerence between ourselves and the United States on trade is a turnoff for other countries with whom we would like to strike trade deals.

00:07:20.660 What do you think?

00:07:21.120 Is that a possibility?

00:07:21.880 I think it is.

00:07:23.740 And I think the problem in large measure is that supposedly one of the reasons that Mark Carney ran as the adult in the room, right, by contrast with Justin Trudeau, who clearly never left his adolescence behind, but also Donald Trump, who frequently resembles a six-year-old having a tantrum.

00:07:39.640 But when you see Carney and Ford fighting over it, when you saw the ad before it was posted, oh, I didn't see the ad.

00:07:45.060 It was a great ad.

00:07:45.640 It was a terrible ad.

00:07:46.960 They get the impression that we, too, are governed by squabbling children.

00:07:51.660 And we're also much smaller than the United States, and we have a less dynamic economy because we're over-governed by squabbling children.

00:07:58.420 And if they just said, look, this was a good ad, it made the point that Ronald Reagan favored free trade.

00:08:04.700 And we feel that Americans ought to remember that because they think fondly of Ronald Reagan and gone ahead with grown-up stuff and not taken Trump's tantrum too seriously.

00:08:14.680 And also brought in mind that although Trump used the ad as the occasion, he was unhappy with Canadian government for a lot of other reasons, including this very childish decision to recognize the non-existent state of Palestine, or even Mark Carney running the elbows-up election campaign. 0.85

00:08:32.240 I'm going to go down to the United States and hit Donald Trump physically, beat him up like the old Broad Street bullies, which was a ludicrous claim in every imaginable dimension.

00:08:41.100 And so I don't think the Americans think we're serious either. 0.97

00:08:44.720 And again, I'm not saying Donald Trump is serious, except in the sense that, you know, a heart attack is serious.

00:08:49.860 Donald Trump is a frivolous and dangerous person, but he is the president of the United States. 0.79

00:08:55.100 We have to live with that. 0.95

00:08:56.400 Why don't we act like grown-ups?

00:08:58.260 Why don't we bring in sensible policies?

00:09:00.860 I mean, I know it sounds crazy.

00:09:02.680 Govern ourselves well and see if it helps us, but it just might work.

00:09:08.000 Yeah, the idea that we need to get into the mud, you know, along with Trump and fight him, you know, stand there like in a boxing ring, you know, trade punches with somebody who's 10 times our size, bad idea.

00:09:21.560 And I'm reminded once again of all the countries that the United States levied tariffs on and how many of them actually pushed back with counter tariffs.

00:09:31.060 I mean, besides us, it's the Chinese, right? 0.97

00:09:34.140 That's it.

00:09:34.600 All the other countries recognize this.

00:09:36.600 No, we're not going to indulge in this back and forth because we know it's a losing proposition.

00:09:42.300 We need to deal with the Americans. 1.00

00:09:43.920 We need to get a deal with Trump.

00:09:45.980 And so backlash, you know, counter tariffs, elbows up doesn't work.

00:09:51.940 And yet we went down that road and I think it has blown up in our face big time.

00:09:58.000 And I would go further to say that it's blown up not only in terms of our relationship with the United States, but potentially other trade partners.

00:10:06.280 And again, I have to emphasize that when a country puts tariffs and non-tariff barriers on imports, it hurts itself.

00:10:14.620 It raises the price of goods and services for its own people.

00:10:19.200 And when they export, they get less for what they give up.

00:10:22.340 So it's not a matter of, well, they hurt us.

00:10:24.540 We'll hurt them back.

00:10:25.280 Oh, we couldn't hurt them. 0.99

00:10:26.380 We kicked them in the knee. 0.97

00:10:27.460 They're 10 feet tall. 1.00

00:10:28.700 It's a matter of they did something dumb to themselves and we'll show them we'll do something dumb to ourselves. 0.98

00:10:34.340 Unilateral free trade is the right policy. 0.98

00:10:37.100 Never mind what fool thing other countries are doing, whether they're democratic allies like the United States 0.96

00:10:42.660 or whether they are communist menaces like China. 0.96

00:10:45.840 Just get rid of our own non-tariff barriers and our tariffs.

00:10:49.860 Get rid of supply management and agriculture.

00:10:52.400 This is a plot to make the poor pay more for food in order to enrich a very small privileged clack.

00:10:59.340 And you can buy them out.

00:11:00.280 I'm not saying rip them off.

00:11:01.720 Buy out the licenses.

00:11:03.080 But we could get rid of agricultural marketing.

00:11:05.460 And it's a huge irritant in trade, too.

00:11:07.220 Everybody else hates it.

00:11:08.780 So we aren't doing the very, very basic stuff. 0.99

00:11:11.880 And then we're like, gee, I wonder why being stupid isn't working. 1.00

00:11:14.800 Well, you know, I think the answer would be obvious if you weren't stupid. 1.00

00:11:19.660 I mean, Trump came out recently and said he's got a deal in principle with China on energy. 0.99

00:11:26.380 I mean, China's been buying a lot of their oil and gas from Russia.

00:11:29.800 And so if they're going to start buying from the Americans, I think that's a geopolitical win for the West, especially when you start to look at Ukraine and that whole situation.

00:11:39.480 How was Russia paying for the war?

00:11:41.020 Well, you know, the only way they can, which is by selling oil to India and China and Europe.

00:11:45.780 And so I think that was an interesting statement.

00:11:49.200 But it was also interesting within the context of Canada kind of being left out in the cold a little bit.

00:11:54.880 I mean, isn't it us who should be selling oil to the Chinese, you know, and the rest of these Asian countries?

00:12:01.220 And yet we're not in a position to do so.

00:12:03.260 Unfortunately, Carney's going to go into that meeting with Xi Jinping and he's not going to have, like to your point earlier, all hat, no cattle.

00:12:13.460 We don't have the pipelines.

00:12:14.560 We don't have the infrastructure to ship that much oil to Asia.

00:12:18.980 I mean, we now have the TransCanada, of course, to do that.

00:12:21.740 But that's not enough, you know, for us to really become a player on the world stage as an energy superpower.

00:12:28.540 You know, we need the infrastructure in place now and we don't have it.

00:12:32.280 I think that really puts us behind the eight ball, John.

00:12:35.280 Yeah. And if you remember Justin Trudeau, when Europeans came here with suitcases full of cash saying we want to buy your liquefied natural gas and Trudeau's like there is no business case for liquefied natural gas.

00:12:45.680 And the correct response is like the umpire to the strikeout king who protested that the pitch wasn't a strike.

00:12:51.680 How would you know?

00:12:53.160 How would Justin Trudeau know if there's a business case for anything?

00:12:55.720 But then you get Mark Carney and his vast billowing clouds of fog.

00:12:59.160 You know, are you or are you not going to build a pipeline, blah, blah, blah, blah, blah, blah.

00:13:02.640 And he talks on and on like Davos Mann.

00:13:04.760 And at the end of it, you're like, I have no idea whether he's going to try and build a pipeline.

00:13:09.480 Nobody knows what he just said.

00:13:10.960 I don't think he knows what he just said.

00:13:12.480 So, yeah, I'm not a big fan of helping China conquer the world, but at the same time, I am a big fan of selling our energy.

00:13:20.940 And for that, partly, we need to get over the idea that hydrocarbon energy, that natural gas, the oil and even clean coal are killing the planet.

00:13:29.640 And there we need some political courage and some political clarity, not again from the liberals.

00:13:35.320 Mark Carney, of course, is a ferocious climate zealot who's also whatever you want at the moment, but not really in this and that and big, long words.

00:13:42.660 And then, you know, don't know where he stands.

00:13:44.280 But I'd like to see the Conservative Party come out and say, there is no scientific consensus that man-made CO2 is harming the planet.

00:13:54.140 And we won't be bullied any further on this subject.

00:13:57.540 And we are going to develop and sell our resources and we will sell them to willing customers.

00:14:01.620 Sell them to the United States. 1.00

00:14:02.880 Never mind China.

00:14:03.960 Sell them to the United States. 1.00

00:14:05.400 Why wouldn't we do that?

00:14:07.560 Yeah, absolutely.

00:14:08.340 And as long as you're on the topic of climate zealots, let's talk about what just transpired with Bill Gates, of course, famous billionaire climate activist, a guy who famously proposed blocking out the sun in order to slow down the progress of, you know, the earth-destroying climate change threat.

00:14:27.520 Now coming out and saying, well, you know what?

00:14:30.460 Climate change is probably not going to lead to the end of the planet as we know it.

00:14:34.520 It's still something that needs to be dealt with.

00:14:36.640 But he has completely changed his tune.

00:14:39.620 And people like Donald Trump are coming out and saying, that proves that we won.

00:14:43.960 Our side won.

00:14:45.240 You know, in terms of the battle for hearts and minds, the side that pushed hyperventilating over climate change has just kind of thrown up his hand and said, you know, this isn't working.

00:14:55.620 We surrender.

00:14:57.060 Is Trump right to make that, you know, determination based on what Bill Gates said?

00:15:03.240 Well, one Microsoft billionaire does not make a summer, but it's certainly encouraging.

00:15:09.000 And again, you have to know, Bill Gates is a very wealthy man because he made software that people wanted.

00:15:14.040 And I'm a fan of Microsoft products.

00:15:16.240 But he wasn't necessarily an expert on any number of other subjects that he weighed in on.

00:15:20.720 But it's revealing.

00:15:22.400 I remember there was recently somebody posted something online saying, what thing that everybody is saying now will they all deny believing in 10 years?

00:15:30.140 And Matt Ridley replied that the weather is getting worse.

00:15:33.420 And I can think of other things, but that's a good one that everybody right now who's anybody, and this has been true for 25 years, has had to be a fanatic on net zero.

00:15:44.060 And they have had to say that they believe that there are more hurricanes and more wildfires and more this and more that.

00:15:49.360 We're all going to die.

00:15:51.460 And suddenly the contagion kind of, you know, the fever breaks and everybody's like, what, who, did I say that?

00:15:58.260 Was that me?

00:15:58.780 And so I think you're going to see a lot of people backing off.

00:16:01.840 And again, what Gates said also, there was a good, a lot of good sense in his remark that there are other more serious problems that deserve our time and attention.

00:16:09.120 And I want to claim that the climate discussion nexus is now vindicated because, of course, we've been saying this for years, that all this attention to carbon pollution, which isn't even pollution, is taking attention away from other kinds of pollution.

00:16:21.640 It's taking money, energy, idealism, and even rational thought away from dealing with things that really are killing people, like indoor smoke from cooking with dung and wood, that are killing people now in significant numbers in poor countries.

00:16:34.580 The failure to clean up plastic pouring out of many Asian and African rivers into the oceans of the world and then washing back up on the beaches and so forth.

00:16:43.400 I saw a thing, by the way, people were swimming in the Chicago River for the first time in almost a century because it has been cleaned up.

00:16:51.180 That's what happens when we turn our attention to real pollution problems.

00:16:54.840 And again, Bill Gates is thinking about disease in the world.

00:16:58.280 If you want to spend trillions of dollars trying to get rid of carbon pollution so the temperature won't go up 0.1 of a degree, which nobody would even notice anyway, or if you want to spend that money eradicating malaria, which is going to make more real difference in people's lives.

00:17:14.100 And so I think there's, you know, Jay Budziszewski once said that people are logical slowly.

00:17:18.840 And I think that we're at the point where a lot of people are realizing that the predictions of calamity were not accurate, that the proposed remedies aren't going to work, that the cost is way too high and the benefits are way too low and CO2 is not poison.

00:17:34.060 And so they're going to sort of tiptoe like Bill Murray and Caddyshack tiptoeing away from a situation they don't want anyone to know they were involved in.

00:17:41.620 But I say, I don't want to make it hard and embarrassing for them.

00:17:44.360 I say, great, glad they've seen the light.

00:17:46.880 Come join us over here on the same side and hope Bill Gates is just at the head of a parade of other people.

00:17:53.400 I mean, Greta Thunberg now has gone so crazy on Hamas that I'm not sure I want her on the stage. 0.99

00:17:58.560 But there's lots of other people who've been really dyed in the world climate fanatics.

00:18:02.120 And if they were to stand up and say, I'd like to come on and do a webinar on CDN and explain why I now think I was wrong, I would welcome them with open arms.

00:18:10.280 Do not make it hard for people to come back to the light because that's where we need them.

00:18:14.580 Yeah, our government, though, doesn't seem to be going along with that moderating opinion that Gates just, you know, showed us.

00:18:26.780 And because next week they're going to table this climate competitiveness policy.

00:18:31.840 I guess maybe they'll probably be part of the budget or whatever.

00:18:35.200 But they're going to talk about how Canada is going to become a major player on the world stage in terms of selling products that are, quote, decarbonized, including oil.

00:18:44.700 So they're not quitting at all.

00:18:48.920 They're not backing away from any of this.

00:18:51.600 And so I'm wondering what it'll take when you even have radical environmental opinions like the ones that Gates has expressed, you know, being scaled back and rolled back.

00:19:02.760 And our government appears hell-bent on continuing on with this lunacy.

00:19:10.600 I mean, what's it going to take for these people to finally understand that the world has dropped it finally?

00:19:15.720 But we're done with the hyperventilating on climate change.

00:19:19.520 And we're certainly done with throwing billions of dollars at a problem that doesn't really exist.

00:19:24.700 Yeah, I mean, again, I have to make an unkind comment borrowed from a British commentator about their own parliament, that most MPs are NPCs, which for non-gamers, that's non-player characters, these robotic entities with a very limited range of responses.

00:19:39.380 You know, the Liberal caucus would vote for a menu if it was put in front of them and the boss would vote for this legislation.

00:19:45.960 So all it would take for most of them is for the prime minister to say, OK, now we're going to do that instead.

00:19:50.580 And they would all indignantly claim that it was what they'd always believed and they were the best and the conservatives stink and the NDP are maniacs and so on and blah, blah, blah.

00:19:58.600 What it would take for Mark Carney to switch, I don't know.

00:20:02.440 But luckily, we do have elections.

00:20:05.260 But again, I'm not satisfied with what people like Pierre Polliver or even Danielle Smith say about it.

00:20:10.200 They're like, oh, yeah, I agree with the science, but I don't agree with the policy.

00:20:13.500 I think we should burn up the planet because it's kind of expensive not to.

00:20:17.060 That's not a responsible or adult position to take either.

00:20:19.860 I think what we need is for people to stand up and say there is no scientific consensus that there's a man-made climate crisis.

00:20:27.780 In fact, there is very little scientific evidence for that state of affairs and we should stop acting as if there were.

00:20:35.460 Mark Carney is a pretty flexible character, but he's also, you know, he's cunning.

00:20:40.100 When he's not telling you anything, he looks very sly.

00:20:42.880 So for him to have a change of heart and change his mind, you'd have to have a bit more of both than I've ever noticed.

00:20:50.100 But, you know, it's funny how when these things are so popular, transgenderism, right? 1.00

00:20:55.620 One day, everybody's like, oh, yeah, transgender. 0.98

00:20:58.460 And the next day, they're all going to say, I never said that.

00:21:00.760 I never, ever wanted men in women's prisons. 1.00

00:21:02.960 That must have been somebody who just looked like me.

00:21:04.660 So, you know, politics is downstream of culture.

00:21:07.680 If the culture changes, the politicians will change.

00:21:10.360 They are not, for the most part, leaders of any sort.

00:21:14.160 And so what we need to do is speak up bravely, but, you know, courteously, if we can manage it,

00:21:19.620 and show them that the trend they were following is no longer a trend.

00:21:24.100 And by golly, they'll stop following it just like that.

00:21:27.580 Unfortunately, they did get reelected.

00:21:31.460 Yeah, but they can still change, right?

00:21:32.800 The Liberal Party is notorious for being, what's that phrase, firm but flexible.

00:21:39.500 Well, we'll have to see, because there's some talk that this budget coming out may not pass.

00:21:45.260 I mean, even some Liberals themselves, you know, Steve McKinnon, House leader, coming out and saying,

00:21:49.420 well, we don't know for sure.

00:21:51.020 You know, the Tories are not going to support it.

00:21:53.280 The Bloc isn't going to support it.

00:21:54.640 And the NDP, you know, they've supported them in the past relentlessly, but even apparently they are not convinced.

00:22:02.420 So who knows?

00:22:04.280 We could be in an election campaign.

00:22:06.020 As bizarre as that sounds and as unlikely as that sounds, it's not beyond the realm of possibility, John.

00:22:11.780 Yeah, and I'll say that, you know, if MPs are not prepared to vote against a budget with whose contents they disagree,

00:22:18.040 then they really are NPCs.

00:22:19.780 I mean, like some of the Liberals are saying, oh, you know, you have to support the budget.

00:22:22.340 It's like, you've got to vote with the PM, even though you're not in his party and don't think his ideas are any good.

00:22:27.500 Well, what's the point of having a parliament in that case?

00:22:30.880 MPs need to vote on the substance of what's in front of them and let the ballots fall where they may.

00:22:37.300 If the Tories are really going to somehow manage to slip out of the room and let the budget pass,

00:22:41.860 because they don't think Canadians want an election in December or something like that, 0.99

00:22:45.740 then they might as well not be in the room because they're absolutely useless. 0.97

00:22:50.480 Get in there and vote your convictions. 0.98

00:22:52.540 That's why we sent you there.

00:22:54.600 Please stand up for what you believe in.

00:22:56.920 Life is short.

00:22:58.180 Make a difference while you can.

00:23:00.480 And, you know, so what's wrong with elections?

00:23:03.720 I thought we liked self-government.

00:23:05.560 I think it's preposterous that they'd be saying, oh, then there'd be an election.

00:23:11.360 You know?

00:23:12.180 Exactly.

00:23:12.580 That's how we do things in this country.

00:23:16.460 Exactly.

00:23:17.240 John, thank you so much for coming on the show.

00:23:19.080 We really do appreciate it.

00:23:20.900 John Robson.

00:23:22.180 And that is it for this initiative, Straight Up.

00:23:24.180 Hope you enjoyed it.

00:23:25.500 Let's do it again real soon, shall we?

00:23:27.200 Bye-bye for now.

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