00:05:51.000I want a majority, and now I can do whatever I want.
00:05:54.640The problem, of course, is that in Canada,
00:05:57.940because we don't have separation of powers,
00:06:01.200whatever government you elect runs everything,
00:06:03.260the executive, the legislative, and the judicial.
00:06:07.540Canadians are completely powerless against their government
00:06:10.660once they've elected them for at least four years.
00:06:13.400And I personally, looking at the way that this prime minister has conducted himself with regard to what is in the best interest for Canadians and Canadian workers and Canadian businesses, it scares me.
00:06:30.640It scares me for the future of Canada when I look at this and see that this guy, I don't know how you can turn down a deal with your strongest trading partner.
00:06:41.620The one that's literally across an invisible line from you in the same continent right there that you've done business with for decades and decades.
00:06:51.100That's not to say that it was a perfect situation, that it was a perfect deal, but no deal is not a good solution to this.
00:06:59.200This is not good. This is going to be bad for Canadians. I'm really, really worried.
00:07:03.940Yeah, I mean, he's obviously rooting for the Democrats here and maybe doing more than just rooting.
00:07:09.380He may be sticking his nose in there, hoping that he can maybe turn the tide a little bit, at least.
00:07:15.520He's in good. He's in good company with Iran today.
00:07:18.080Iran is also for the Democrats. Just saying.0.80
00:07:21.340Yeah. Well, maybe he thinks that that is more important than signing a deal.
00:07:25.940And I keep going back to his promise, his main promise, which was to negotiate a winning deal with the Americans.
00:07:35.580Twenty five in April. That's what he got elected on.
00:07:37.720That's right. You know, we were going to get a deal by July of that year of 2025, and it never happened. And somehow all of this has morphed into us against them, dollar for dollar tariffs, you know, shaking our fist at Trump. And I believe now is wholesale into interference. This is about foreign interference in America's election. I believe that's the case. What do you think?
00:08:04.200I agree with you, but the problem, of course, is that Canadians, the voters themselves, not to mention the government, are so ignorant of how the U.S. works that they actually think that the Republicans losing the midterms is going to make any difference.
00:08:20.500First of all, Democrats will not be inclined to remove any of these tariffs or do anything for Canada.
00:08:26.540It's helping the United States businesses.
00:08:28.020Secondly, they don't have control over it until there's a different president who's one of them, who theoretically, Canadians apparently believe, would reverse all of this.
00:08:42.420But that's still two and a half years away.
00:08:44.780He's president until January of 2029, okay?
00:08:50.040People should wake up and understand this.
00:08:52.160They don't get how the system in the U.S. works.
00:08:54.520It isn't a situation where the president has control over Congress and the judiciary, but the president has control over what he has control over, which right now is everything regarding trade.
00:09:08.660Well, maybe they're fantasizing about impeachment.
00:09:15.360You don't think that's possible? That if the Democrats win both houses?
00:09:19.940Oh, they can impeach him, but they won't convict him.
00:09:21.780impeach him but they won't convict him you know the difference between the two right
00:09:27.440okay two-thirds right they won't have two-thirds of senate to convict him i'm sorry that won't
00:09:33.240happen it's a question of one vote one way or the other i mean it's going to be very close
00:09:37.120they're not going to win two-thirds of the senate that will never happen people need to stop0.71
00:09:41.680fantasizing about this this stuff because they're suffering from mental illness called0.99
00:09:46.560Trump derangement syndrome. I can't say this strongly enough. It is not in the best interests1.00
00:09:51.940of Canadians to continue to think this way. They should be pressuring their government to make a
00:09:57.120deal with the United States post-haste, and at the same time, pressuring their government to find
00:10:02.060alternative trade relationships that are with countries that are reliable and not enemies.
00:10:09.040Yeah, I think counting on a Democrat victory is a mug's game, because already we're starting to
00:10:15.080Some of the polling either tighten up or change wholesale, like we're seeing in Texas, for instance, with Tallarico now trailing Ken Paxton in some polls.
00:10:24.420So, you know, as people get closer to that November date, they're treating this more seriously.
00:10:30.940And I mean, obviously, the affordability issue remains large and it looms in the minds of a lot of Americans.
00:10:38.160But they're also looking at the alternative as some of these radical people running for the Democrats and thinking, no way.
00:10:45.080you know, that's a roll of the dice I'm not prepared to take. And so for Canada to hitch
00:10:49.860its wagon behind the Democrats going into the midterms, I think that's a mistake because
00:10:56.560if Trump just happened to hold on, it's going to be even harder if the GOP wins, you know,
00:11:02.480to get a deal with Trump. In fact, it may be harder no matter what happens to get a deal with
00:11:06.700Trump. If he detects the fact and senses that Canada is somehow trying to be the difference
00:11:12.760maker here. That's going to blow up in our face. And I think he understands that. I think Trump
00:11:21.160certainly understands that. But I'm just wondering about this prime minister's priorities. I guess
00:11:26.280I'm looking at his priorities here. There's no doubt that he loves being the bell of the ball,
00:11:31.360feeling like, oh, people are talking about me as a Nobel Prize winner. And look at me. I'm the only
00:11:36.160one standing up to Trump around the world. People are looking to me. The left is looking to me to,
00:11:40.620you know, be the David against Goliath. And in the midst of all that, it's Canadians who are1.00
00:11:49.260suffering. And I see these layoffs in Hamilton, the 500 workers going to be losing their jobs
00:11:55.460as a result of a decision by Stelko and thinking, you know, I bet they're wishing that that deal
00:12:00.720had been signed. I don't know for sure, because we don't know what's in the deal. But maybe those
00:12:05.700jobs could have been saved if the deal had been signed, if Carney had moved forward and signed
00:12:10.940that deal, which Trump announced was a done deal, if you'll recall. Because you know that it's not
00:12:16.820just 500 direct jobs. There's also usually two to three times or even four times more jobs that
00:12:23.140are connected to those 500 direct jobs that will be lost because businesses that service that
00:12:29.240those workers and that business itself will be out of business. They won't be able to sustain.
00:12:35.700you're dealing in Hamilton with a very working class city, which is very manufacturing focused,1.00
00:12:41.780always has been. This is a big blow to that city because the businesses that operate there are1.00
00:12:46.880there to service manufacturing entities. This is not the first business to close in Hamilton,
00:12:53.560but it's the biggest one. And it's notable because it's a major industry in Canada that supplies,
00:13:01.480by the way mostly the united states they're right the guy from stelco said we can't sell enough
00:13:06.680steel in canada why would you think that would be because there's nothing going on in canada
00:13:11.720there's no there's no demand in business for steel so where do they sell it they sell it
00:13:17.240to the united states well now there's a tariff on it okay and and that could have been avoided
00:13:23.000it all could have been avoided by simply doing what he said he was going to do in april of 2025
00:13:28.520We just sit down and have a serious discussion with President Trump and come up with as good a deal as you could possibly get, understanding that no deal is ever perfect.
00:13:37.000It's not going to be everything you want, but get a deal and then work towards finding yourself a way to get other, you know, first, break down internal barriers for trade.
00:13:47.940Secondly, go outside and find good, reliable, peaceful, civilized partners to do business with.
00:13:55.320It doesn't mean you can't do business with China. You can, but you have to do it carefully. You have to do it in a way that is not going to harm your security. That's not going to harm your own businesses, because they have a way of coming in and usurping everything when they come into a country.0.95
00:14:08.880So I just I look at this and I'm afraid that Canadians are so busy basking in the glow that that their prime minister is putting out there about himself that they don't realize that this is all fake.
00:14:22.000It isn't real and it isn't meaningful and it's going to hurt so many people.
00:14:26.620If it's 500, what I'm saying to you, if it's 500 direct jobs in Hamilton, it's probably another 1500 people that are going to be hurt by this.
00:14:34.440In the meantime, Trump announces a huge steel plant construction in Iowa.
00:14:39.000I mean, that hasn't happened in years.
00:14:41.540And so he's showing everybody why these tariffs were put in place.
00:14:46.820You know, it's, you know, for the United States to return to being a manufacturing power rather than simply a country that imports all these products from everywhere else.
00:15:18.140They won't, out of, I guess, respect for the relationship, release the terms of it.
00:15:24.120But if I were them, I'd say, okay, here's what we actually said.
00:15:28.000Like, here's what was actually put up there.
00:15:30.660So now you can see for yourselves that it's bull, what he's saying.
00:15:34.120I just don't understand why Canadians are not like yelling at him, calling the office nonstop to say, please, please, please get a deal, get a deal.
00:15:46.160I just don't get it. I don't know why they think this is in their best interest. It is not.0.99
00:15:49.880Yeah. They've fallen for this narrative, I suppose, that Carney's the hero standing up to Trump. And, you know, the reality, I think, hasn't really sunk in yet, but it has sunk in for these workers getting laid off.
00:16:06.040And, you know, as that starts to filter through the economy and more and more people get laid off, they're going to start to wonder if, you know, maybe Carney winning a Nobel Prize should be a secondary consideration.
00:16:19.880in terms of what this government does uh but you were mentioning earlier before we go
00:16:24.680that there might be a federal election this year there's some talk of december as a possibility
00:16:30.120i mean with the conservatives trailing and most of the polls that i've seen
00:16:34.040how do they battle this kind of stark persona that carney has built for himself so um this is
00:16:41.400the problem is that uh the liberals have literally outflanked the conservatives on this without a
00:16:48.600a doubt. They've been able to ratchet up the ignorance, frankly, of Canadian voters to hating0.94
00:16:55.500Trump and therefore, and painted the conservatives as Trump supporters, as MAGA Maple or Maple
00:17:02.400MAGA, whatever it is they call those of us that are conservatives. They've painted Pierre as being
00:17:08.680pro-Trump, which frankly, knowing Pierre, nothing could be further from the truth. He's not really
00:17:13.720a pro-Trump guy. He's a pro-Canadian guy. He's willing to deal with the U.S., but he's not a big
00:17:18.900fan of Donald Trump. So they've been successful because the liberals are very good at this.
00:17:25.320They're very good at making up stories. They have the media, which is bought and paid for,
00:17:29.900and reports whatever they tell them as if it was gospel from the Bible, okay? And people do not get
00:17:39.200what is really true. I've told Canadians that are friends of mine who say, well, what about this
00:17:43.680story here? I say, how about if you read it over on this news media outlet coming from somewhere
00:17:48.460else and see if it matches what you're seeing on Canadian news? Or they'll tell me they never heard
00:17:53.400a story that I hear on American news about Canada. And I'm like, that's because the Canadian media
00:17:58.680didn't want to report it. Okay. So this is part of the problem. They're dealing in a, I would say,
00:18:04.200a massive deficit of knowledge. And they're not saying this is not okay. They just are used to
00:18:09.740this. This is what they're accustomed to doing. I actually had an interesting conversation the
00:18:14.220other day with a good friend of mine. And I said to him, I said, I've recently refreshed in my mind
00:18:21.320living here. What is the difference between Americans and Canadians? And he said, well,
00:18:25.980what's that? I said, for Canadians, this has always mystified me, but now it's really in
00:18:30.700stark contrast their first stop is always what can the government do about this problem yeah
00:18:35.480and in the united states and i'm sure you've seen this mark because i know you've spent time in the
00:18:39.660same part of the world here as i have um they that's the last stop the last thing they want
00:18:45.400is government interference in what they're doing they always want to know what businesses can do
00:18:50.440they want to know what what charities can do what community organizations can do their first stop is
00:18:55.460not get the government to help us because you know what they understand that that means it's not the
00:18:59.720government that's helping them it's their tax dollars being used for something that maybe they
00:19:05.240agree with or they don't agree with but it's not free i don't know why people think that you go to
00:19:10.600the government it's free like guys it's not yeah so this is this is a stark difference for me
00:19:17.480something i've seen really vividly moving back here to the us and and it worries me because um
00:19:26.120For example, that $100 million that they just gave to the Palestinian Authority, can you imagine what $100 million could have done just to reduce the deficit in Canada, to make the budget a little bit more balanced?0.52
00:19:42.260I mean, if they stopped spending money like it was, you know, like, like, like, I don't know, drunken sailors, I guess, is the best image I can put out there.
00:19:51.140If they would stop doing that and rather be you would think that someone with his great economic background would understand that you should have budgets that are under control.
00:19:59.820It's not under control. No, not at all.
00:20:02.220The deficit is now double what it was when he took office.
00:20:07.420And nobody nobody seems to care. I don't know where they think this money is going to come from.
00:20:11.320Are they just going to print more?0.62
00:20:12.540And soon it will be worth what the Iranian real is worth, which is nothing.0.98
00:20:27.340And not altogether trusting, suspicious of government involvement in anything.
00:20:32.740And in Canada, they see, you know, every problem as the result of not enough government.
00:20:38.260So, you know, whatever comes up, you know, their first their knee jerk reaction is to say we need more government involvement.
00:20:46.520And look at our side. Mind you, there's a lot of debt in the United States as well.
00:20:50.980But there is a lot of it is from, you know, the crazy spending that goes on in Congress for all kinds of earmarks and little personal projects.
00:20:58.980And so no pork barreling. That's the bigger problem is not that they're trying to solve problems.
00:21:05.580they're trying to buy votes, which is just as bad. And I'm not saying that debt is okay in the U.S.
00:21:12.100and not in Canada. It's bad wherever it is because it hurts the taxpayer ultimately. But the fact is
00:21:16.860that you're right about Americans. They do have a natural tendency to distrust government and not
00:21:23.880in the negative way that all government is evil. I mean, there are people that feel that way,
00:21:28.900but that's not how most people feel. They just feel like government is there because we elected
00:21:32.900them, they're there to serve us. And when they stop doing that, we're going to toss the bums out.1.00
00:21:37.380And that's what happens. That is exactly what happens. So, you know, that attitude wouldn't1.00
00:21:42.380hurt Canadians to have a little bit more of that. It would be nice, but who knows? It's deeply
00:21:47.020ingrained. Georgianne, thank you so much for coming on the show. We appreciate it as always.
00:21:50.980My pleasure. Great to see you, Mark. If you enjoyed this show and appreciate independent
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