Juno News - Carney's 'Green' Agenda still lurking？

00:00:00.000 Welcome to The Fighter with Chris Sims. I am Chris Sims. I'm the Alberta Director for the

00:00:10.560 Canadian Taxpayers Federation. Thank you for making us a part of your week. This is, of course,

00:00:16.140 a very special time of year where folks are celebrating Christmas and Hanukkah and hopefully

00:00:21.220 getting together with their loved ones and reflecting on the year. We have a very nice

00:00:26.220 show for you coming up, speaking with one of my longtime dear friends, Dr. John Robson. If you

00:00:32.660 have not heard Dr. Robson talk about Charles Dickens, you're missing out. Go find that stuff

00:00:38.060 on YouTube. We are going to be speaking with Dr. Robson about things like carbon taxes. Where

00:00:43.860 exactly are they? How much are we paying? Yes, the consumer carbon tax is gone, but boy, oh boy,

00:00:50.380 Prime Minister Mark Carney seems really happy with his industrial carbon tax. Alberta seems to be the

00:00:57.100 first test kid. So who's going to be next with a six times higher industrial carbon tax? And why are

00:01:04.620 we doing all this anyway? And you have to stick around for this. I can't believe I'm saying this

00:01:09.820 out loud, but Hollywood made a movie about George Orwell's animal farm, but the capitalists are the

00:01:18.600 bad guys. I kid you not. I have to ask Dr. Robson about that because he has an amazingly funny take

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00:02:02.240 unsmoke.ca. Okay. As promised, joining me now is Dr. John Robson. He is with the Climate Discussion

00:02:11.120 Nexus, and he is the kind of guy that is able to do a deep dive, a historical deep dive.

00:02:18.000 On all sorts of topics. If you have not watched his documentary on the Magna Carta,

00:02:23.640 that is a banger. You have to watch that over Christmas. Thank you so much for joining us

00:02:28.580 today. Always a pleasure. All right. First off, before we get through our fun with George Orwell's

00:02:34.620 story being mangled by Hollywood, I had to get down to brass tacks when it comes to carbon taxes.

00:02:40.660 I was very happy, frankly, to see the consumer carbon tax gone. I don't know what the price of gas is

00:02:46.920 out your way in Ottawa, but it's around 20 cents cheaper per liter here than it was this time last

00:02:52.360 year. That's because the consumer carbon tax came. But this industrial carbon tax looks like it's

00:02:58.740 gearing up to be a monster. What's your take on this right now?

00:03:03.700 It's a peculiar situation because the federal government has realized that a lot of its climate

00:03:09.400 policies are really bad for growth. And it's realized that Canada has a productivity crisis.

00:03:14.060 I think they genuinely do know both these things. But the way their minds work, you know,

00:03:19.140 the Davos man, what you do is you find some elaborate polysyllables and you play this glass

00:03:23.700 bead game where you create climate competitiveness. So you have the same policies you always had with

00:03:29.560 the same ill effects, but suddenly it's good instead. And the world just can't wait to buy

00:03:34.840 our products because we're climate competitive. And if you look at things like our actual greenhouse

00:03:40.060 gas emissions, we haven't accomplished much of anything. As Stéphane Guilbault congratulated

00:03:46.040 himself on historic measures as though he'd achieved something historic or indeed anything

00:03:50.760 at all. But what we have done is we've driven up the price of energy. And, you know, people have this

00:03:57.600 terrible tendency to treat the economy as though it's a machine. I'm not a big fan of mathematical

00:04:01.780 economics for this reason. You can tally up numbers about employment and productivity per hour.

00:04:07.560 People don't realize that Canada's oil and gas industry is fantastically more productive per

00:04:13.100 labor hour than almost any other part of the economy. But what you need to do is you need to

00:04:18.000 look out the window and ask yourself, what would my life be like if I was out there instead of in here?

00:04:23.320 Or you think you mentioned Dickens, so Bob Cratchit, right? Bob Cratchit doesn't have a coat.

00:04:27.400 He can't afford a coat because Scrooge is such a miser. His house is not well insulated.

00:04:31.880 They can't afford coal. He freezes at the office. He freezes at home. No wonder his kid is sick.

00:04:37.000 And then you look around and the lights are on. The heat is on. You have technology or you

00:04:42.700 wouldn't be watching this program. You have clothes, all of this stuff. The food that you

00:04:47.340 have was grown and transported with hydrocarbon energy. Everything you have, you owe to what

00:04:53.280 Michael Binion calls a modern miracle. And the government systematically makes it harder to get

00:04:58.260 and that you must sacrifice more to have it. And then wonders why our living standards are

00:05:03.440 are sinking. And then they bring in, you know, more and more people. We can't build houses for

00:05:08.460 us if that would fix it because it does things to the numerical calculations of GDP.

00:05:13.640 But our lives are built on affordable, reliable energy. Otherwise, we really would be starving in

00:05:19.480 the dark. We would have terrible diseases because we'd be cold and hungry. And when you're cold and

00:05:23.800 hungry, you get sick and you die. Yep.

00:05:25.840 So you need to think about it in terms of this isn't a sector of the economy. It's the foundation

00:05:32.500 of the economy. It's not about exports. It's about us having food and shelter and warmth and clothing

00:05:38.460 and good things. And the government is deliberately trying to make it harder for us to have all those

00:05:43.740 things and telling us it's making us better off and happier. And it's just such a horrendous mistake.

00:05:49.340 I mean, you could get into other things. You know, William Nordhaus wrote about carbon taxes,

00:05:54.020 Nobel Prize winner. And he said they're the best way to punish people for having energy,

00:05:58.940 provided you get rid of all the regulations and just go with a clear, even on everything carbon

00:06:05.700 tax. And that, of course, the consumer tax they got rid of because it was unpopular and they are

00:06:09.420 unprincipled as well as devious. But at the same time, underneath their unprincipledness,

00:06:13.760 they're principled. They really think they're going to get rid of oil and gas and coal and that we're

00:06:18.620 somehow going to live on windmills and unicorn power. And so they're going to do it in the back

00:06:22.860 door in inefficient ways. And then they're going to call it carbon competitiveness or climate

00:06:28.600 competitiveness as if that made it all not hurt. But it doesn't. These are terrible policies. We

00:06:34.660 could have higher living standards, better prospects for young people, more dynamic housing

00:06:39.640 industry, cheaper food. I mean, also that would have supply management. You could have all this stuff

00:06:44.540 if you just embrace the miracle of hydrocarbons. But then the problem is they think plant food is

00:06:49.840 poison. They go on talking about carbon pollution as though smokestacks were billowing black yuck that

00:06:55.780 was laying waste to the wheat and the corn and the trees instead of causing them to grow bigger and

00:07:01.140 stronger and happier. So, you know, there's no good way to do a bad thing. And they've picked a bad way

00:07:07.480 to do it. And then you look again, you look at those productivity numbers, income per capita,

00:07:12.220 you compare us against the United States, which is not like the land of good policy these days,

00:07:17.240 especially. But we're still falling behind. Europe is destroying itself. And all over the notion

00:07:23.460 that carbon dioxide kills plants and animals, which, you know, greenhouse owners, this is well

00:07:29.500 known, they pump it in in large amounts. It's just bizarre. The earth is in a carbon famine. CO2 levels

00:07:36.280 in the atmosphere are at prehistoric lows, right? They're way below where they used to be in the age of the

00:07:42.080 dinosaurs. And you look at the age of the dinosaurs. Was there runaway heating? Was the landscape on

00:07:47.060 fire? Or were there plants and animals everywhere? Fantastic perfusion of large and dynamic life

00:07:52.800 forms. So that's where we are with carbon taxes, a bad idea implemented in a bad way, and then

00:07:58.840 excused with bad rhetoric. Now I'm wondering what triceratops steak would taste like. Sorry,

00:08:06.100 if it would taste like alligator. And since it's the holiday season, let me give you a fascinating

00:08:11.480 fact about triceratops and all the horned dinosaurs. They appeared at the same time as

00:08:15.640 flowering plants. It's kind of a symbiosis where the plants are growing and advertising their

00:08:20.640 presence and the dinosaurs are rushing over, gobbling them up and then dunging out the seeds

00:08:24.780 and everybody wins. Like that's what I call nature happiness. But if you got to those levels of

00:08:31.720 carbon dioxide in the atmosphere, according to the Mark Carney's of this world, supposed sages,

00:08:35.740 we'd all be dead. I mean, it just, it has nothing to do with the actual history of the earth. That's

00:08:41.360 one of the things they know nothing about history. They do not understand that in warm periods,

00:08:46.080 species proliferate. And in cold periods, life shrivels and huddles. Look at the last glacial

00:08:51.020 maximum. You know, CO2 got down to 180 parts per million. That's 30 parts per million above the

00:08:57.140 death of all C3 plants. And, you know, vast quantities of the earth, apparently so many plants died that the

00:09:03.320 planet got so dusty that it started to absorb heat again. Like that's your dream world. And your

00:09:08.660 nightmare world is the Eocene. It's, it's astonishingly ignorant.

00:09:14.180 You mentioned Prime Minister Mark Carney. I'm old enough to actually, when I was in high school,

00:09:19.480 when junior high school, our program was to survive the coming ice age. And they all meant it. Like it

00:09:25.340 was an earnest thing everybody was worried about. My project got an A. But I wanted to get back to

00:09:30.560 Prime Minister Mark Carney. I haven't actually asked you about this. So I actually don't know

00:09:34.920 what you're going to say. What was your take on this memorandum of understanding that was signed

00:09:40.980 between Alberta Premier Daniel Smith, who I know wants to build pipelines, wants to get rid of the

00:09:47.380 production cap, wants to get rid of the green energy regulations. Like she wants this so much. And then I

00:09:53.620 saw Carney fly in, sign an agreement, and then gloat to the media that, hey, your carbon tax is going to

00:09:59.520 be six times higher now. Like, where do you think this is going?

00:10:04.720 I don't really think it's going anywhere. Again, this is the Davos man thing, right?

00:10:09.460 They have this memorandum of understanding. That's a plan to have a plan for a plan to plan.

00:10:15.880 There's no understanding there. There's no path forward. Nobody knows how they're going to overcome

00:10:21.460 Aboriginal opposition. Nobody knows how they're going to overcome provincial opposition. And Carney's

00:10:27.200 good at this polysyllabic evasions that makes it feel as though it's all okay. And you kind of

00:10:31.880 doze off. And Danielle Smith, you know, she's such a good radio host. But the trouble with her as a 1.00

00:10:38.240 politician is that she just doesn't have much spine. I mean, I've had this discussion with her over the 0.99

00:10:43.800 years. I said, you can't fight the policy on climate unless you fight the science. And she's,

00:10:47.860 oh, John, we lost that debate. So no, you didn't. You never had it. You never had the nerve to say

00:10:53.900 they're wrong about there being a manmade crisis. They're wrong about the runaway effects. The models

00:11:00.040 take a small warming effect from CO2, and they amplify it through these alleged feedback mechanisms

00:11:05.100 that haven't been substantiated experimentally and empirically seem not to exist. But you never

00:11:11.400 were willing to stand up and take the heat for saying no, there is no 97% consensus. There's a great

00:11:19.200 deal of debate and discussion here. But it's clear that we don't have a climate crisis. And therefore,

00:11:23.560 we don't need emergency measures to fight it. And then she tries to rally around the white flag. 1.00

00:11:27.820 And this is what you get. Fortunately, with Carney, what you get is vapor. It's not even congealed fog.

00:11:35.380 And therefore, you know, sort of nothing will happen. But that means no pipelines will happen

00:11:39.000 either. There's no way they're going to build a pipeline. Nobody wants to build one. Who in their

00:11:43.180 right mind would invest in this country when it takes one Aboriginal band possibly conjured up by an 1.00

00:11:49.040 American foundation in a major city rather than actually being something that exists in reality

00:11:54.680 out there. And you're paralyzed. And Mark Carney's not going to run over these people because he just

00:11:59.740 bloviates. But you look at Mark Carney's career. What has he ever actually really done? He was a

00:12:06.900 lousy governor of the Bank of England. As governor of Bank of Canada, he bailed early and took credit for

00:12:11.260 things he didn't do. His G fans has collapsed. His austerity and investment budget produced neither

00:12:17.040 austerity nor investment. He's just sly and evasive and very, very pleased with himself. He has the kind

00:12:24.780 of skills that get you somewhere in Davos world. But in the practical world of governing, he's a hopeless

00:12:29.900 case. What has he ever actually done?

00:12:33.640 In the premier's defense, she did dig her heels in with the Alberta Teachers Union, which was no

00:12:39.640 small task. Told them to get back to work, refused to hand over two billion extra dollars and no signing

00:12:45.080 bonus. She's also standing up for serious family issues here in Alberta, which is not my wheelhouse.

00:12:51.120 But on this issue of the MOU and industrial carbon taxes, we just had a poll out like today that shows

00:12:58.680 the vast majority of Canadians believe that an industrial carbon tax on businesses, surprise,

00:13:05.180 is going to trickle down to us. It's going to cost regular Canadians more money. To me, that seems like

00:13:10.980 a no-brainer because, of course, businesses can't eat that cost. If they continue to do business in

00:13:16.480 Canada, they will simply pass that cost on down to us. And here we are back to Bob Cratchit not being

00:13:22.160 able to afford heat for his home. I wanted to shift federally. So we've got this dance going on

00:13:29.060 right now with Premier Smith, wanting all this stuff like pipelines and getting rid of the energy

00:13:34.140 cap and believing the prime minister, I think, when it comes to things like pipelines. I'm much more

00:13:40.300 cynical. I don't see that happening. I hope I'm wrong. I really hope I'm wrong. But like, I've read

00:13:47.280 this book many times. And Mark Carney seemed pretty darn serious when he was writing about how much he

00:13:53.340 loves carbon taxes, and how he views things like natural gas power plants as stranded assets in his

00:14:00.600 envisioned future. What happens? Yeah, exactly. Go ahead, John. Well, he knows how to string these

00:14:07.100 words together. I call it the glass bead game by the Herman Hesse. And it all glitters and it

00:14:12.700 impresses the kind of people he was making a career with. But none of it connects with reality.

00:14:17.660 And this is how he thinks, right? Again, I frequently insist it's not about plots and hoaxes.

00:14:22.200 What you see is what you get. If you want to know Mark Carney's mindset, you read that book.

00:14:26.720 So yeah, he's really into carbon taxes, but he also thinks they'll make us rich.

00:14:30.660 And if he's wrong about that, there's no plan B.

00:14:36.160 There is no plan B. What does this do to Pierre Paulyov as leader of the opposition? I saw some polls the

00:14:42.040 other day. It looks like his numbers are still staying steady and strong. In my opinion, that's

00:14:47.080 because the world is not more affordable. Suddenly, we aren't being able to afford food and houses and

00:14:52.660 things like heat for our homes. People are worried about all this stuff still, even though the person

00:14:57.600 has changed as the prime minister. What does this current issue do to Pierre Paulyov's message?

00:15:04.120 So for example, I think Carney came to Alberta, and he's using us as the first test kit. We're the first

00:15:10.540 guinea pig of his huge cranked up industrial carbon tax. He's going to set his sights probably

00:15:15.260 on Saskatchewan next. What does this do to Pierre's messaging about things like no carbon taxes?

00:15:21.780 I think it helps him. I mean, I think there's a lot to admire about Pierre Paulyov, but I also,

00:15:27.260 I wish he would grow up because there is this sort of snide juvenile campus activist air about him

00:15:35.640 that's holding him back, right? His best friend in the world is Mark Carney and his worst enemy is

00:15:39.900 Pierre Paulyov. He needs to combine the slogans with a capacity to talk like an adult. He's got

00:15:48.180 to show some gravitas if he's got some, and if he doesn't, well, he better try and find some

00:15:52.580 somewhere, which is easier said than done, I realize. But the thing is that people, Jay Budziszewski

00:15:59.500 once said about slippery slopes, he was like, oh, you know, people aren't that logical. And Budziszewski

00:16:04.020 said they are, they're just logical slowly. And it can be very frustrating sometimes. But in the end,

00:16:09.800 if the government says it's going to fix the cost of living and it doesn't fix the cost of living,

00:16:14.280 people will stop believing it and they will start voting for somebody else. And again, sometimes you

00:16:19.060 get situations where the incumbents are terrible and the alternative is terrible and people vote for

00:16:24.140 a terrible alternative because no one will give them a sensible alternative. But if Pierre Paulyov

00:16:29.020 could combine his political skills, again, with a certain capacity to be the adult in the room,

00:16:36.280 because really, no, but Carney's big pitches, he's the adult in the room, unlike that silly Justin Trudeau.

00:16:41.100 And the thing is that Carney, still a lot of people feel that he must be an adult because he has this

00:16:46.920 ponderous demeanor and those nice suits and he doesn't flash socks at us. But in many ways, he's not a

00:16:54.060 responsible person, just a chancer. But Pierre Paulyov doesn't feel responsible. And that's 0.98

00:17:00.440 where he's got to change. I remember to sidetrack or apparently sidetrack, Jordan Peterson, you know,

00:17:05.000 the mystery of Jordan Peterson is this. He was saying things that a lot of other people had said

00:17:10.220 and had said quite well. And yet Peterson connected in a way that left many of us gaping with admiration

00:17:19.800 and struggling to oppress envy. And one of the reasons why I think is that Jordan Peterson was

00:17:25.040 obviously serious. He had acquired his knowledge the old fashioned way with blood, toil, sweat and

00:17:32.760 tears. The suffering was etched on his face. And there was nothing flip about Jordan Peterson,

00:17:39.060 even when he was being clever properly, you know, dealing with an argument by demolishing it deftly.

00:17:45.220 You always felt that this man had paid for his knowledge. And Pierre Paulyov does not feel like

00:17:51.720 he's paid his dues. And I think that's a big PR problem because it's a substantive problem.

00:17:57.100 You know, I remember John Peppel saying it was very strange. People were outraged at Donald Trump

00:18:01.980 because he was unfit for office. But when Justin Trudeau came along and was obviously unfit for office

00:18:06.600 and Peppel called him, he was obviously vain and silly. And this is true. He was vain and silly.

00:18:12.100 And eventually caught up with him because people are logical slowly. But Paulyov gives the impression

00:18:17.500 to some extent of being the same, that those slogans come out so readily because that's what's in his

00:18:22.520 brain. And for a guy who supposedly cut his teeth on Friedman and Hayek, he ought to be able to talk to

00:18:27.820 us more like Jordan Peterson. And I think that he needs to do that because we need adults. One of the

00:18:32.520 things when you look at Canadian public policy and all the goofy stuff that's going on, even just,

00:18:36.980 you know, Blacklock's recently asked for details on those alleged bodies at the Kamloops school and

00:18:42.780 the department just sealed everything up. And it's like, that's such a juvenile thing to do. But we

00:18:47.240 live in a very juvenile world. And I think that creates an opportunity for adult leadership. And

00:18:52.820 it doesn't mean you have to be boring. It doesn't mean you have to lose the clever slogans. Adults can

00:18:56.940 have good slogans. But you've got to feel like they arose organically from serious, comprehensive and

00:19:04.480 reliable thinking about things. And that's, that's what Polyev has to bring us. And again, he should say

00:19:10.100 there's no climate crisis, because you either have a climate crisis, and you deal with it, or else you

00:19:14.560 haven't got a climate crisis, and you don't. Will he challenge the science? Will he come out and say, there's

00:19:19.780 no man-made climate crisis? I don't believe that thing exists.

00:19:23.480 I wanted to leave on a fun note, or a sad note, depending on how you want to put it. I think you and I

00:19:29.260 first met many years ago, when I had Atlas Shrugged on my desk. And we had a nice big conversation about

00:19:36.580 things like Atlas Shrugged, The Fountainhead, and then we moved on to George Orwell, 1984, Animal Farm.

00:19:44.060 For folks who don't know, and we have some young people watching, Animal Farm was a parable. It was a

00:19:49.400 very short novel that was a very clear repudiation of Stalinist Soviet Russia. It was taking aim at

00:19:56.880 communism very clearly, all through the book. And it's only, I think, goodness, is it what, even 200

00:20:02.820 pages? It's a short book. The message here was that collectivism and having mass government control

00:20:11.000 was bad, okay? And he just put it in the setting of a farmyard. So there's, you know, basically puppets

00:20:19.440 of pigs and horses and sheep talking to each other. What blew my mind, John, and we're going to play a

00:20:24.940 clip of it here in a second, is that Hollywood has come out with an animated movie actually meant

00:20:31.020 for adults. It says so, that it's, you know, over 16 or whatever. And guess what? It's the capitalists

00:20:37.260 that are the bad ones. Watch this.

00:20:41.340 I want that farm. We should move into the farmhouse. So the humans know we're in charge.

00:20:48.060 You are about to become my new best friend. Pigs and humans working together. I like the optics.

00:20:56.720 Oh, we love the optics. What are optics? I think it's a kind of seafood.

00:21:00.500 Okay. So that tall, angular looking woman with the gray hair, she looks like the bad wife from 1.00

00:21:07.540 Rocky IV. But she was a Soviet. In this one, she's a big, bad corporate capitalist person. 0.99

00:21:14.380 What's your take on this? Is this just one of those things we should let go and quit fixating on?

00:21:19.740 Oh, absolutely not. I mean, for one thing, you know, the go woke, go broke, right? Hollywood can't

00:21:24.660 make stories anymore because they have bought into this absolutely sterile worldview. But,

00:21:33.620 and again, speaking of gravitas, because Orwell had been a communist. He fought in the Spanish

00:21:37.640 civil war on the side of the communists. He came by his knowledge, honestly, and the pain. He

00:21:44.300 understood these betrayed dreams. And there's, I wanted to quote a line from GK Chesterton. He said,

00:21:51.480 the truth is that all feeble spirits naturally live in the future because it is featureless. It 1.00

00:21:56.080 is a soft job. You can make it what you like. The next age is blank and I can paint it freely with my

00:22:01.200 favorite color. It requires real courage to face the past because the past is full of facts which

00:22:06.860 cannot be got over, of men certainly wiser than we and of things done which we could not do. And so

00:22:13.740 they take a masterpiece like Animal Farm in which the animals stage a revolution against the evil

00:22:18.640 oppressors and create basically the Soviet Union. And then it turns out to be even more oppressive, 0.83

00:22:24.060 a betrayal of all their hopes, a very stratified society that famous all animals are equal, but

00:22:28.960 some are more equal than others. And in Hollywood, they can't even understand what was being said,

00:22:33.960 let alone why. And this thing will be a money loser. They cannot make the classics anymore.

00:22:39.500 They cannot come up with new stories because they're determined that their feebleness shall be the

00:22:45.320 standard of all things. Instead of going back and making great works in homage to the creative

00:22:52.600 genius. Again, you look what they did with the Lord of the Rings running off with this woke franchise.

00:22:57.740 And of course, who wants to watch that? The reason we like Tolkien's world is because it is deep.

00:23:03.340 It is wide. It is metaphysically grounded. It is deeply spiritual. And it is grounded in traditional

00:23:10.080 Catholic thinking. And this creates magnificence. What they create, it's so trite. It's so obvious. 1.00

00:23:17.900 Like, oh, today I write this. Boring. And you see this all the time. They just, they can't leave

00:23:22.740 things alone. Even in the movies of the Lord of the Rings, the more they change the script,

00:23:27.500 especially in the Two Towers, the worse things got. They cheapened all the characters. The Ents were

00:23:33.960 turned into something selfish and frivolous from the magnificence of their decision

00:23:38.340 to attack Isengard knowing they won't be coming back to ducking the war and then blowing their 1.00

00:23:44.680 stacks. The last thing a Ent would ever do. And it's this extraordinary unwillingness to recognize

00:23:50.520 the greatness of the past and to realize that we need to live up to it. It doesn't need to live up

00:23:56.780 to us. And so, yeah, the one consolation is this thing will be a bomb. But if they made the real one

00:24:02.740 the right way, it would be a commercial hit. And they need to get back to doing that. And I'd be

00:24:08.380 happy to help them, especially if they pay me generously to write them a script, which will be

00:24:12.040 the actual original. It won't be changed. They could pay me a lot not to change things because they need

00:24:18.780 it. Yeah, they absolutely need it. Dr. John Robson, thank you so much for your time today. I was looking

00:24:25.000 forward to speaking with you all week. It's really a pleasure to be able to even to spend some time

00:24:29.880 virtually with you over subspace during the Christmas season. Thank you so much for your

00:24:33.680 time. Indeed. And Merry Christmas to you, to all of yours and to all your viewers. Likewise. Merry

00:24:39.260 Christmas. Once again, that is Dr. John Robson. You can go check out his work on YouTube. Go look up

00:24:46.200 the Climate Discussion Nexus. He has all sorts of really important topics there, including things like

00:24:52.460 carbon taxes, how much they truly cost us, not just monetarily immediately in your wallet,

00:24:59.240 but how much it's costing us in the ability to enjoy our lives, to heat our homes, to grow

00:25:05.940 nutritious food. He really is able to dive deep into history and apply it as a lesson for today.

00:25:13.840 And turns out that's what his degree is in, is in history. So go check out Dr. John Robson's work,

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Carney's 'Green' Agenda still lurking？

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