Juno News - Carney’s ‘Climate Cult’ Hurts Canadians

00:00:00.000 Hi, Juno News. Alexander Brown joining you for another episode here of Not Sorry. I'm the

00:00:08.000 director of the National Citizens Coalition. I'm a host. I'm a communicator, a campaigner.

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00:00:23.380 terrific talent, terrific journalists. And so the topic today is the rest of the world is getting

00:00:28.780 over punishing the working poor while claiming to change the weather. While the rich fly in private

00:00:33.900 jets and nations like China bring online a new energy project seemingly every week. Can Canada

00:00:40.000 join them? In recent polling from Abacus, climate change is no longer even a pocketbook issue for

00:00:45.860 Canadian voters. This represents a really stark shift from the drummed up redistributionist degrowth

00:00:51.720 hysteria of the Trudeau years. And even on a semi-encouraging front, Alberta and the federal

00:00:57.980 government may soon put pen to paper on a pipeline to the BC coast. And yet all the usual suspects are

00:01:04.880 claiming the world will end if we bring more of our energy to market. The same old hypocritical

00:01:09.780 phonies just met at COP30 at this global climate summit. And the prime minister is still making

00:01:15.240 claims of carbon neutrality for our projects of the future. And when we know our allies and

00:01:20.140 competitors with larger emissions footprints won't be tying their hands behind their backs to appease

00:01:25.300 their friends and partners in the subsidized green lobby. Take a look.

00:01:29.100 But I want to highlight a few other issues before my time is up. First, the importance of high

00:01:34.140 integrity standardized carbon markets that have the potential to shift capital flows to those most

00:01:40.160 affected by climate change, including being integrated with jet peas, such as the jet pea here,

00:01:46.420 changing the incentives and the financial calculations to decarbonize.

00:01:50.960 I'd suggest that we can catalyze enormous private sector demand for these credits by committing AI data

00:01:59.180 center development to be carbon neutral. We need a price on carbon. I salute my neighbor,

00:02:05.820 the European Union, in pricing carbon and putting in place a CBAM.

00:02:10.660 We don't need a price on carbon. We see that that harms our growth, our productivity, and makes life

00:02:16.860 more expensive for struggling Canadians. For every step forward, it can often feel like a step back in

00:02:23.460 this country. Such words, despite some claims that they're changing to the contrary, it signals

00:02:29.240 more of the same indulgence and frustration that we've felt since the Trudeau years. Let's talk to

00:02:36.540 Dan McTeague. He is the executive director of Canadians for Affordable Energy to make sense of

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00:04:30.040 Dan McTeague joins the show. Dan is the gas price wizard himself, a former Liberal MP and executive

00:04:35.860 director of Canadians for Affordable Energy. He's here to help us make sense of these latest

00:04:41.060 developments coming out of the Global Climate Summit. Dan, thanks for joining us.

00:04:44.200 You know, it's great to be here, Alexander. Thanks for having me today. And yeah, always

00:04:47.860 never a dull moment when you're following the 30 years in which great developments take place out

00:04:54.440 of the COP, going back to my early days when the first Brazil-Rio conference took place. And I thought

00:05:03.440 that was very interesting with some notable Liberals in my time attending that, being a force behind it.

00:05:10.100 And of course, that's all changed now. Yeah, it's all for the worse now. Maybe it started with good

00:05:15.840 intentions, as roads are often paved with. So it just wrapped Friday in Brazil. All the usual

00:05:22.200 degrowth, net zero characters were there. But it's getting harder and harder to deny the devastating

00:05:27.860 impact some of that zealotry has had on our economies. You called out their hypocrisy in a recent video.

00:05:33.800 What do you make of Carney's words coming out of the summit? And do you have any cause for optimism

00:05:38.220 that Canada's stance is changing? Well, I think Canada's stance may be changing as a result of

00:05:43.780 reality, not because what Mr. Carney wants. I mean, they've had to abandon, you know, the carbon tax,

00:05:49.240 consumer carbon tax. Looks like they're going to have to do something on tanker bans and a whole

00:05:53.760 series of other concerns, electric vehicle mandates. All these things are proving to be colossal

00:05:59.540 failures, as was expected, by the way. And none of these things were done with a, you know,

00:06:05.460 with a consideration of reality being given priority consideration as these policies were

00:06:12.240 advanced. But it was all wonderful. I mean, because it was 2015, we could do all these

00:06:16.600 things, but it had a detrimental impact on the bottom line. A real disappointment for those

00:06:21.380 who've invested billions of dollars of public money and to some extent, private sector money

00:06:25.440 as well. But all this has really taken us to a place where I think Canadians have realized,

00:06:30.680 and even reluctantly, Liberals have realized that they've really pushed the envelope to the extent

00:06:37.280 that the country can't function right now. Its decline is on almost every single economic metric.

00:06:44.500 And that will lend itself to disunity in the country and the likes of which we haven't seen

00:06:49.080 certainly since the mid-1990s, or even folks like myself go back far enough, back to 1981-82,

00:06:56.000 when there was real concerns, not just with Quebec, but also a sense of alienation in parts like

00:07:03.720 Alberta, Saskatchewan, even British Columbia. What this has meant is it has been a 10-year

00:07:09.880 experiment in fooling around with woke ideas that have very little bearing on the sustainability of

00:07:18.620 our standard of living and the quality of life that we have in Canada. And it's completely ignored the

00:07:23.280 significant importance of hydrocarbons. Like them or not, they're here. And all those organizations,

00:07:28.240 including the International Energy Agency, the Mark Carney's of this world, who thought they could,

00:07:32.200 you know, get G-Fans, the Glasgow Financial Alliance for net zero to go choke off capital to

00:07:38.920 oil and gas producers in the United States, by the way, they wound up with what could have been a very

00:07:43.500 close antitrust violation, which would have cost Mr. Carney and his friends a lot of money.

00:07:48.940 Nevertheless, what I think has happened here is that someone's taken a dose, a bucket of cold

00:07:55.540 reality water and poured it over everyone's head. And while there's some out there who will simply

00:08:00.600 admit that this thing didn't go well, there's others that will simply say they're going to fight

00:08:05.100 this to the last drop. Unfortunately, Canadians are the ones paying for this and around the world,

00:08:11.940 nations are walking away from this. And those that are walking away from it have a strong GDP

00:08:17.180 productivity number. They're doing very well. They're flourishing. And they still, from time

00:08:21.800 to time, ask Canada for the things that they truly need from Canada. No, not hydrogen and no,

00:08:26.220 not electric vehicles. But in fact, they want our resources. They want our minerals. They want our

00:08:31.420 oil. They want our natural gas. They want our timber and they want our agriculture. It seems to be

00:08:36.460 a cautery around Mark Carney and the liberal cult, which is not the same as when I was there as a liberal

00:08:42.820 for 18 years as an MP that keeps saying no. Why? I don't know. But with a $78 billion deficit added to

00:08:50.840 another $1.3 trillion in debt and a debt to GDP, you know, real number, when you consider the

00:08:59.760 provincial subsovereign debt of about 112%, I think the game is over. And I think for those, you know,

00:09:07.380 like Mark Carney's of this world who go down to these wonderful summits to make this idea that we

00:09:13.060 can do things as it were, you know, the past 10, 15 years are kidding themselves. They're deluding

00:09:18.280 themselves. Reality, I think, is a real motivator of policy these days. I think so, too. And I know

00:09:25.500 Doug Ford drives you crazy also in my work with the National Citizens Coalition, Project Ontario.

00:09:31.620 I see your tweets also when I'm busy angrily tweeting about him, where even he is admitting in his sort of

00:09:37.360 haphazard approach to the tariff situation. It's like, well, Alberta has something that people

00:09:41.540 actually want. It's like, yeah. Is that not an admittance that this EV subsidy boondoggle,

00:09:47.360 that this entire industrial complex has been just complete fugazi, that it's been entirely propped

00:09:55.720 up by the government and it has been this artificial attempt to influence people's consumer habits

00:10:00.520 and nobody actually wants it. Like they want, they want life to be affordable. They care about

00:10:07.480 the environment, but it is no longer. I wish that they were getting here under, under non false

00:10:12.900 pretenses, these changes, because if you look at the latest polling from Abacus, for example,

00:10:17.640 and David Coletto, it's like for the first time in a long time, the environment is not the pocketbook

00:10:23.260 issue. Like the key ones are what you'd expect. It's affordability, it's housing, it's immigration.

00:10:28.460 It way down the list is, you know, taxing the working poor to pretend it changes the weather.

00:10:35.500 It makes no sense. Of course, it's not really environmentalism either. It's all about one

00:10:40.300 particular molecule, which we tend to associate as being somehow lethal to our existence. And it's been

00:10:47.580 this nonsense that we have followed for many, many decades that has now, I think, led us to the point

00:10:53.580 where we realize that this is a very, very wise environmental stewardship. If it were, we wouldn't

00:11:00.540 be using graphites, polymers, you know, extracting with massive acids. You know, I want people to

00:11:06.380 understand something. When you make an EV or you make any of these little electronic products, it's done

00:11:10.540 through mining. Mining is the second most polluting. And I talk real pollution. I'm not talking about

00:11:15.500 CO2, the stuff we emit every day and is inert and we need it for the flourishment of life on this

00:11:22.540 planet. But it is extraordinarily intensive. Forget the fact that maybe in countries like China made

00:11:27.980 with coal, the fact is producing, extracting is extraordinarily difficult, very time consuming,

00:11:34.780 very capital intensive. And of course, the cost and the damage to the environment can't be gainsaid.

00:11:40.380 I mean, it's significant, but ignorance has been prevalent in the minds of many people

00:11:45.260 who thought, oh, I'm going to drive my electric vehicle and pretend that I'm, I'm holding some

00:11:50.380 kind of environmental credibility. You are not, you do not. And frankly, I'm tired of poor people

00:11:55.260 in this country paying for rich people to drive around virtue signaling in their latest rides.

00:11:59.660 At the end of the day, I have some experience in the automotive sector. I work in media relations

00:12:03.020 for a little tiny, tiny company, Toyota Canada. And that company said no to EVs. I mean, it's still,

00:12:08.620 they'll build them because there's a lot of grift going on in there. But their future was in

00:12:12.140 hydrogen, their future was in solid state batteries, if anything, not I lift the ion.

00:12:16.780 And the future is in hybrids. And which is what country companies like that have gone from number

00:12:22.140 five to number one in Canada, staying true and staying focused on what the public wants. And

00:12:27.100 the public is fed up, they're broke, and they're sick of the kind of woke environment, and top down

00:12:33.820 lectures that we're getting from international organizations who at the end of the day, don't

00:12:37.580 have the public interest at heart. They have their own agenda at heart. And that's quite often

00:12:42.220 a real conflict when it comes to the amount of money that they're making by these decisions,

00:12:45.980 especially when they're pursuing and pushing products and ideas that they benefit from almost

00:12:52.220 exclusively. No, it's true. And if you look at the conditions in those mines in Africa, for example,

00:12:57.500 where they get out the damn components for these batteries for the EVs, they're unconscionably bad.

00:13:04.780 Like, it's really reprehensible stuff to see and read the reports about them. And maybe the Japanese

00:13:12.540 have their heads screwed on straight better than we do with not sort of chasing indulgences. Because

00:13:16.540 yeah, it's like Toyota and Honda both acknowledged very early. It's like, oh, whoops. Like, let's get

00:13:22.460 out of EVs pretty quick here. Let's keep on our hybrid fuels. Let's keep providing products that

00:13:28.460 people actually need. And they're always going to lead the market in that regard. Now, this beloved

00:13:34.700 conference that drives you crazy and drives me crazy, it ended with a communique that scrubbed

00:13:40.300 all mention of fossil fuels. Like, we obviously see that the jig is kind of up, but, and yet you see

00:13:46.220 these rhetorical devices, you see these efforts with language, what they're doing. If you're Russia,

00:13:51.500 China, Saudi Arabia, would you not be licking your chops when you hear this kind of stuff?

00:13:55.580 I love the fact Canada wants to walk away from the things that makes it prosperous. And if we don't

00:14:01.260 want to sell it, they will. They certainly will. And there's other, you know, half of our country

00:14:04.700 gets oil and its products from other parts of the world, which makes absolutely no sense whatsoever.

00:14:09.500 But be as it may, if that's the way in which, you know, your system is based, that's great. That's

00:14:15.900 wonderful. But the problem is, you know, when you're leaning up against a massive debt in which

00:14:21.660 no particular sector of the economy is doing fairly well, you got to sort of get creative.

00:14:26.780 I mean, the things that built this country were its resources, the extraction of its resources,

00:14:31.260 the responsible extraction and production and refining of its resources and manufacturing.

00:14:36.060 And my family, the McTaggs, came from Scotland. On my mom's side, we've been here since the 1600s,

00:14:41.420 it's French. But on the father's side, came to Peterborough, Ontario, one of the largest

00:14:45.980 manufacturing hubs in the country. And both in the First World War, Second World War, led by Edison

00:14:51.500 Electric. Actually, it's called CGE, the General Electric. But I digress. A town that used to be

00:14:56.540 a manufacturing hub is now nothing. It no longer has manufacturing. And like so many cities across

00:15:01.900 this country, yeah, you can rely on public sector and, you know, the service sector to carry some

00:15:09.820 of the stuff, beautiful country that it is, and lakes and whatnot, and people can retire up there.

00:15:14.940 But if we don't produce anything, we have nothing to offer the rest of the world,

00:15:18.860 sooner or later, we'll find that, is it any wonder, as I mentioned earlier, that on many, many

00:15:24.700 metrics, any type of way in which you want to look at our economy, we are in significant decline,

00:15:29.500 I would call it freefall. And the only thing keeping us in is this rhetoric used by the left,

00:15:34.860 that continues to somehow believe that we can, I don't know, use this, our Canadian Canada pension

00:15:39.740 plan, QPP, as collateral for bad debt, as collateral to somewhat impress people to come

00:15:45.020 invest in Canada. If investing in Canada was such a good thing, an enviable thing, and a worthwhile

00:15:50.700 thing, we wouldn't have $1.41 to buy a US dollar, our currency would be a lot stronger, we wouldn't see

00:15:56.700 the erosion of our purchase power, because we've decided to block pipelines, block natural gas,

00:16:02.620 not build any LNG, and tell the rest of the world that if you want to buy, get a mine here in this,

00:16:07.580 in this country, it's going to take you not two years, but 10 to 15 years, if you're lucky.

00:16:13.020 Yeah, now, switching gears to carbon credits, I mean, I think there are some signs of mild

00:16:19.980 encouragement when it comes to some of the rhetoric we're seeing from the federal government.

00:16:23.740 But Carney still uses language like carbon neutral AI data centers, if that even means anything,

00:16:29.500 throws around traditional energy, like it's a pejorative, it reminds me of the term cisgender,

00:16:35.100 which seemingly exists to sort of marginalize the majority of the population. If companies are forced

00:16:40.220 to buy carbon credits, to keep buying carbon credits, which, which in essence, at least to me,

00:16:45.500 are a kind of a climate indulgence payment. And the United States and our allies and competitors

00:16:50.540 on the global market, they're not doing the same. Aren't we again, putting ourselves at a competitive

00:16:55.340 disadvantage for seemingly no good reason? Yeah. And the other thing came COP30 was the idea that

00:17:02.460 they would no longer make reference to carbon border adjustment mechanisms. But the bottom line is that

00:17:09.260 if we are going to continue to virtue signal, we can do so as we continue to find that everything in this

00:17:14.060 country is falling to pieces. And there is not much in the way of anything positive coming in the short

00:17:20.220 term or the long term. These projects, these grandiose projects that Carney's been talking for

00:17:24.380 seven, eight months, many of them have already been announced, take years in order for them to really

00:17:28.860 gain traction. But if we are going to say to what everyone universally understands is going to be

00:17:36.300 the game changer in economies, whether they create jobs or not,

00:17:40.140 by saying that we can do it without, you know, by windmills, by solar panels, most of that,

00:17:44.860 by the way, made in China, and some of that highly unreliable, especially when the wind isn't blowing,

00:17:50.220 or maybe battery backup, as some are suggesting and spending billions of dollars in, that is no way

00:17:56.860 to provide a reliable energy source for the demands that will be sought. So Canada wants to exclude

00:18:03.660 itself from that. By all means, keep your elbows up and make sure that you understand

00:18:09.260 those welfare checks will not be cashed. If we're attracting the kind of investments in this

00:18:14.940 country, based on the new newer and emerging economies. One area that AI needs, obviously,

00:18:21.100 is energy. One thing we do produce a lot of is energy. And I don't care what kind of you want

00:18:25.020 to talk nuclear, you want to talk hydro, natural gas backup, propane, oil, there's a diesel, there's

00:18:31.180 a number of ways in which Canada can come at this. But if we're going to condition it, all we're doing

00:18:35.820 is cutting our nose off to spite our faces. We are doing damage to ourselves by allowing that kind

00:18:41.180 of rhetoric to prevail against the economic interests of this generation and the next generation. And

00:18:46.220 there is nobody who was given a mandate to do that in the last federal election. If Mark Carney

00:18:49.900 thinks that's the case, take it to the public. And by the way, we're going to go on this idea of

00:18:54.860 decarbonization of everything, including our pipelines, and that we desperately need to build

00:18:59.420 overnight. And you're going to suggest to people, well, hey, it has to be carbon neutral,

00:19:03.580 who the hell is going to pay for that? Do Canadians wind up paying the cost of sequestration,

00:19:07.980 which is dangerous in itself, I should point out? Yes, we have it. But there is so much to be said

00:19:13.260 about the impacts that no one wants to take into consideration. I'm saying to you now, if we have

00:19:18.140 a government that says it can only be carbon neutral, and the only solution is somehow CCSU,

00:19:23.100 or CCUS, whatever, carbon capture and underground storage, to use what it really means,

00:19:29.820 and it's going to cost tens of billions of dollars, it isn't going to be paid by other

00:19:35.260 players around the world. It's going to be paid by Canadian consumers. You want a 10 or 15 cent a

00:19:39.820 liter increase in gas prices? Go ahead, because we just got rid of the carbon taxes based on the

00:19:44.220 same phony idea that we could somehow virtue signal our way into creating more alternative

00:19:51.340 forms of automotive and get better efficiency. We've got efficiency. We sure as hell got hit hard and

00:19:57.020 impoverished a lot of Canadians in the process. Yeah, we sure did. Dan, we're seeing in Alberta

00:20:03.740 right now, people are encouraged by the fact there might be this memorandum of understanding

00:20:09.740 that's been signed. But we're also seeing that those bad bills haven't been killed. Last week,

00:20:16.060 in so many ways, was a banner week for Albertan leadership, Premier Daniel Smith taking on all kinds of

00:20:21.100 common sense conservative causes. But if they're going to get this path to a bitumen pipeline to the

00:20:27.580 northwest BC coast, if they're going to get past BC Premier David Eby, who's perhaps no greater threat

00:20:33.820 to quote unquote, Team Canada, who's been an absolute joke and is childishly sniping from the sidelines

00:20:39.740 while his economy goes to hell. And British Columbians, I'm in BC, are worried if they're even going to

00:20:45.580 keep the rights to housing and I can't even afford a house. What do you make of this development?

00:20:52.140 Like, do you expect this potential pipeline deal to hold? Is it a good sign? Or is it is it just,

00:20:57.980 you know, you're you're offering just a trinket to appease them and you're by not killing these

00:21:03.340 bad bills, is anything really getting any better? I don't see how you can build it without, again,

00:21:08.140 massive amounts of money put into sequestration carbon capture as a condition for getting these things

00:21:14.460 out. Then you have to go over a number of other hurdles. You mentioned David Eby, you know, and

00:21:18.220 of course, he spent time as your previous Premier, John Horgan, who I crossed swords with many times

00:21:24.700 in my time as a gas buddy and whatnot saying you killed Trans Mountain pipeline expansion, you're going

00:21:30.060 to wind up shooing away a lot of investment and you're going to wind up, you know, with the federal

00:21:35.660 government pulling the bag. Not that you have the constitutional authority to do it. Eby thought he did

00:21:40.460 and he got clean. He had his clock cleaned by the Supreme Court of British Columbia. But that aside,

00:21:46.300 if we're going to continue to be obstreperous and say, no, we can't do these things and that

00:21:50.620 there's a danger and a risk. I mean, look, there's dangers and risks in everything we do. We could

00:21:54.940 walk down the street and slip on a banana peel and break our neck. But this has gone from the

00:21:59.020 sublime to the ridiculous. We've had 10 years of climate fanatics being pushed by the NDP, who was

00:22:05.340 once pushed by the Green Party to take positions that have been both archaic and wrong. If BC doesn't

00:22:11.340 want to become part of selling its resources to the rest of the world, including all the gas in the

00:22:16.460 Montigny, then say so. And by the way, given what they did to chase out Kinder Morgan many years ago,

00:22:22.380 I'm still steamed at this. You know, that costs us $50 billion. BC has a debt to the rest of the

00:22:28.300 country, at least the BC NDP, which it should damn well pay before trying to create and put more spokes in

00:22:33.740 the wheels of a country that desperately needs to get its product to market because the world

00:22:37.580 realizes what is valuable in Canada, our natural gas. Yes, if you want our LNG, our oil and those

00:22:44.460 things which are derived from it. If we can't get to market, it's not Alberta's failure. It's not

00:22:50.140 Alberta that's going to fail. It's the country that's going to fail as a whole. So conditioning these

00:22:54.380 things has significant implications for the country, its economy and its future. And if people think we can

00:23:00.620 sit back and oh, you know, I want to make sure it's nice and clean and have this kind of, you know,

00:23:05.740 Pollyannish or, you know, this immature discussion about how Canada is not doing great, fine. As I said

00:23:12.380 to many people before, don't go for any more health care, because that's how it's paid. Don't ask for

00:23:17.020 any more pension system. Don't ask for infrastructure. Don't ask for welfare checks. Don't ask for any type

00:23:21.500 of handout. No free dental. If you don't want these projects to go ahead, then say no, sign a waiver saying,

00:23:28.140 I want nothing to do with social programs. We'll see how many people still have their elbows up when

00:23:32.700 that happens. Oh, it's so rich. I mean, even out here, there's this constant debate right now,

00:23:38.780 headed up by the tired and emotional Elizabeth May, to borrow a British parliamentary term.

00:23:45.660 The tanker ban where, you know, we're just cutting off our nose to spite our face, where American tankers,

00:23:51.340 you know, stream by the BC coast in the dozens per day, you know, but we're not allowed to move one.

00:23:57.660 This Team Canada, it reads as such an insult to so many, particularly generationally,

00:24:03.420 because we've all been able to watch and go like, no one harms Canada like these members of

00:24:07.820 quote unquote of Team Canada. And so it's incredibly rich. I appreciate your frustrations and your

00:24:14.780 leadership on this file. Thank you for all that you do with Canadians for Affordable Energy. And Dan

00:24:19.740 McTeague, thanks for joining us. Dan McTeague, thanks for having me. I'm looking forward to doing it again.

Juno News - November 25, 2025

Carney’s ‘Climate Cult’ Hurts Canadians

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