Juno News - Carney’s Immigration Shell Game？

00:00:00.000 Hi, Juno News. Alexander Brown here, Director of the National Citizens Coalition, writer,

00:00:07.700 communicator, campaigner. Great to be back with you here. We've got a great episode with

00:00:11.860 Michelle Rempel-Garner talking immigration. Obviously, much to unpack there, much to be

00:00:17.180 concerned about still. JunoNews.com slash not sorry for 20% off. I want you to take advantage

00:00:23.180 of that deal as well. So slightly turning down the immigration taps, it won't fix the flood

00:00:28.460 or the flood damage. And are the liberals even fixing it at all? Carney is misleading us on

00:00:34.900 permanent resident targets. This is in accordance with the according to the Financial Post. The

00:00:39.380 budget said the number would be 380,000 per year on a revised PR target, but it's actually closer to

00:00:46.460 528,000 after a plan to grandfather in 33,000 temporary foreign workers and 115,000 categorized

00:00:55.480 protected persons, which no one knows what that means yet. And we get into that with the shadow

00:01:01.000 immigration minister. Adding them to that headline number would essentially raise targets by at least

00:01:06.420 148,000 across three years. Adding insult to that injury, and in a deeply troubling Blacklock's report

00:01:14.360 released Wednesday morning, Liberal MP Amandeep Sohi has sponsored a Commons petition to grant federal

00:01:21.180 aid and permanent residency to foreign students and migrant workers facing deportation or departure.

00:01:27.900 More than 3 million foreigners are in Canada on valid or expired temporary permits by last official

00:01:33.900 estimate. That real number, given the extent of fraud and invalidity, is believed to be much higher.

00:01:40.780 And even our once-vaunted immigration system is still a mess, of course, on the justice front. 0.92

00:01:46.940 We have literal killers being allowed to stay in Canada for years after their crimes and continue to receive

00:01:53.260 leniency from these liberal judges, as in this recent shocking case of a Pakistani immigrant who killed

00:02:00.620 one and injured five in an act of road rage before fleeing the scene and not turning himself in for weeks.

00:02:07.100 Knowing this man who is no model permanent resident needs to go, you're the one who's in the right here, 0.91

00:02:15.100 not our failing status quo or its supporters. And on that status quo, Dan Mazur on X,

00:02:23.820 fascinating sort of damning evidence he found in a tweet, which is,

00:02:26.780 in a time when 6.5 million Canadians don't have access to a family doctor. I don't have one. My

00:02:33.260 guest today doesn't have one. Millions are suffering under a self-inflicted housing crisis,

00:02:38.060 you know, a jobs crisis. What's the liberal response? They're attempting to hide the real

00:02:42.780 numbers in the margins to commit a kind of creative accounting fraud. Just pulling mentions of the word

00:02:49.900 free from ads about newcomer health care, afraid to see that Canadians would see how much they're giving

00:02:54.940 away. They're spending billions on this program for immigrants. They're attempting to hide the fact 0.97

00:03:01.820 that they're keeping the mass immigration taps flowing to the detriment of our workforce and our

00:03:06.540 buckling public services. That has to change. We're thrilled to have Michelle on today, back on today. 1.00

00:03:12.540 She's doing important work as the immigration critic. We all need to ensure that these changes are robust

00:03:18.940 and we can see dishonorable lobby groups, misguided business lobbies. They want to continue the excess

00:03:27.580 of the last few years that have so thoroughly, you know, broken the country. And so join Michelle

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00:04:02.140 from victims and their families. Michelle Rumpelgarner joins the show. Michelle, long time MP, Calgary

00:04:08.540 Knows Hill, Shadow Immigration Critic, you know, doing such great work on that file. Michelle,

00:04:14.460 thanks for coming back on. Michelle Rumpelgarner Thanks for having me again.

00:04:16.940 Yeah, it means a lot because you are a busy gal. You have a busy file, like these new immigration

00:04:24.780 targets that accompanied the budget. Seemingly, this is good news or better news. But then you look at

00:04:32.140 this 380,000 for PR. You see the continuation of sort of a few hundred thousand on the temporary

00:04:38.460 stream side that still adds up to north of 2 million over three years. Do they go far enough?

00:04:43.980 Michelle Rumpelgarner So I think it's important to start with kind of where you were going,

00:04:49.020 which is they cooked the books. They did. Like they absolutely cooked the books on numbers. So

00:04:54.620 let's start with temporary residents because you brought that up. So temporary residents are people who

00:04:58.700 would be in the country either as temporary foreign workers or have a work permit through a temporary

00:05:04.620 student visa, for example. Those numbers are incredibly high, especially when you look at the

00:05:10.780 percentage of Canada's population. So back in 2015, so a decade ago, the number of temporary residents,

00:05:18.460 particularly those that were on work permits in the country was lower than 2%. Today, it's over 7%.

00:05:24.460 And the numbers that they have it at, it's going to keep it at least over 5% for some time to come.

00:05:33.180 Now, the other thing to note, Alex, is that there are already 3 million temporary residents in the

00:05:38.380 country right now. That doesn't count the 500,000 undocumented people that we know are in the country,

00:05:44.460 at least asylum seekers. There's 300,000 asylum seekers that are in the queue and a backlog.

00:05:50.460 Many of those will be found to not have valid asylum claims. But the point I'm trying to make is

00:05:55.820 the total number of temporary residents in the country is incredibly high.

00:06:01.340 What didn't accompany those numbers was a plan to remove people that are already in the country

00:06:07.100 when their visa is set to expire. So what's happening is you already have an incredibly high

00:06:12.460 amount of the population that are temporary residents. You have a youth jobs crisis. And then what are they

00:06:17.980 doing? They're adding more temporary residents. So that's on the temporary resident side.

00:06:22.300 But then you're right. There's also this PR, this permanent resident sort of cooking of books where

00:06:28.220 they have these, quote, one-time measures to add permanent residency for different classes of people

00:06:33.900 that aren't included in their actual overall numbers. So I think what they've been trying to do

00:06:39.500 is sort of speak on both sides of their mouths, right? Because they know that Canadians are concerned

00:06:46.620 about the high levels of mass immigration that they've enabled, the liberals have enabled.

00:06:51.660 But they also don't want to lower the overall numbers. And so I think that's where you saw this

00:06:56.540 cooking of the books. But a lot of people saw through it. I didn't even have to comment on it much.

00:07:01.580 There was a lot of commentary on it, like, well, wait, what is this? So it wasn't great news.

00:07:06.300 Yeah, guys like me, we're on that one quick. That's for sure. So we're talking creative

00:07:12.940 accounting, which maybe as charitably as I can put it with some of these numbers. One phrase I keep

00:07:20.140 seeing is protected persons. Who are these protected persons? Who decides what a protected person is? And

00:07:28.620 why are we going to be designating like 116,000 of them? Or I believe it's close to that number.

00:07:36.540 Who are temporary? What the heck is it?

00:07:40.700 So we're going to have to get some more details on that at committee. I'm hoping to have the

00:07:45.900 immigration minister come to the committee for levels like the this report that we're talking

00:07:51.820 about today in the next couple of weeks. But I think what they're trying to do there, I'm not sure.

00:07:59.260 It's they've made promises to a lot of different groups of people that are in the country on sort

00:08:05.500 of what would be the equivalent of visitor visas. I'm oversimplifying the concept. But for example,

00:08:13.660 people from different conflict areas around the world, maybe. And I think they rather than trying 1.00

00:08:19.980 to send anybody back, they're probably some of those that that that that PR number is probably

00:08:26.620 coming out of those pools. It could be that they but I think more likely, they're looking at the 300,000

00:08:32.460 person backlog, they're probably going to have to rubber stamp a bunch of those applications and find

00:08:37.580 spots for those people somehow too. So but I mean, we need more detail and we need more clarity.

00:08:43.420 There's been a lot of commentary on the fact that the government didn't provide clarity

00:08:47.740 on what those spots were for. And I've also heard a lot of people, you know, who have been waiting

00:08:54.380 in the queue to come to the country, you know, through regular means, like sort of through the

00:08:59.500 legal channels waiting for years going, wait a second, what is this? But the fact that we didn't

00:09:05.580 have that clarity in the levels, again, it tells me that they're, they're trying to solve problems of

00:09:11.900 their own creation. Yeah, and it and it's not necessarily matching those immigration levels

00:09:18.860 with any sort of metrics on healthcare jobs or housing. And that's really concerning. And that's

00:09:23.980 where we've got to hold the government to account on that is because the numbers are too high, right?

00:09:29.820 And speaking of too high and needing to hold them to account and problems of their own making,

00:09:35.260 we have it, we're taping this on Wednesday, we have a liberal petition concern, we yes,

00:09:41.820 many have concerned, you know, have considered this would be coming many, let's say, were saw through

00:09:49.500 this a while ago, because you're right, they don't ever seem to address the need for deportation,

00:09:53.820 there's never like an outflow. We have a liberal MP and Amandeep Sohi, who was broken in black locks this

00:10:05.260 morning, who is petitioning to amnesty the those 3 million plus temporary workers.

00:10:14.220 What the heck do you make of that? What can we do about that? How concerned should people be?

00:10:19.740 So, I know exactly what's happening here. So, the Liberals, when they increased those

00:10:28.060 temporary resident visas to those record highs over the last several years, they did so kind

00:10:33.660 of with a wink and a nod to people coming to the country, that they would be able to stay, there's

00:10:38.620 actually a whole advertising program, they put a lot of money behind to advertise to come to Canada

00:10:46.300 as temporary on temporary student visas, work permits. And I think the tagline, you'd have to check this,

00:10:52.700 it was something like, learn, and then stay or stay work, stay something like the key

00:10:58.940 operative word was stay in there. So, on one hand, they're advertising come to Canada and stay,

00:11:05.820 but on the other hand, they're saying it's like a temporary program. So, now what's happening is

00:11:13.020 they have to deal with the fact that there are 3 million people in the country. Many of them think

00:11:18.060 that they should be able to stay. There's a high likelihood that some of them, or a lot of them,

00:11:24.300 are going to abuse the asylum system in a way to try and stay.

00:11:27.340 And we know they already are.

00:11:29.020 When in fact, they need to have, the Liberals need to have a plan to get people to leave. Because

00:11:33.500 they weren't brought into Canada as permanent residents, they were brought into Canada as

00:11:37.580 temporary residents. So, this is why, you know, you've seen me and my colleagues in the House

00:11:41.500 of Commons going, what's your plan to get these people to leave? Right? And, but that's going to

00:11:48.700 piss off, getting people to leave is going to piss off a lot of people that they made promises to.

00:11:53.500 So, I think I would want to know if this petition was actually sanctioned by the government 0.94

00:12:00.540 in a way to get them to be able to speak on both sides of their mouth. So, on one hand,

00:12:07.180 you know, they're trying to claim that they're getting immigration under control. Spoiler alert,

00:12:13.660 they're not. And then on the other hand, they're having like their members of parliament go into

00:12:18.460 their committee and be like, don't worry, we're going to make sure you can stay in Canada. But

00:12:23.260 the reality is, Alex, you and I know that we don't have the housing infrastructure,

00:12:27.180 the healthcare infrastructure, and we have a youth jobs crisis. We don't have the infrastructure,

00:12:31.340 social or economic infrastructure for 3 million temporary residents stay in the country. So,

00:12:36.060 the Liberals are going to have to deal with that, and we will be holding them to account on that

00:12:39.820 front. But I think it's an exercise to have them be able to speak on both sides of their mouth.

00:12:44.140 Yeah. And speaking of winking with your choice of words, and the strain we're seeing on our public

00:12:52.380 services, 6.5 million Canadians don't have access to a family doctor. And we see that even Immigration 1.00

00:12:58.220 Canada is scrubbing the use of the word free in ads about newcomer healthcare. This was referenced

00:13:03.340 in a tweet from Dan Mazur. We know the number being spent there is in the billions on newcomer healthcare,

00:13:09.580 as it even is on childcare, and Canadians are paying for that and seeing no such benefits.

00:13:15.500 Why the continued duplicitousness, even from Immigration Canada?

00:13:19.660 So, you're referring to a story where, I think it was Black Locks again, I think they probably 0.98

00:13:25.820 did an access to information request on some messaging that the Immigration and Refugee Department,

00:13:31.900 led by Liberal Minister Lina Diab, had put out essentially advertising Canada's healthcare system

00:13:39.420 as a reason for people to come to Canada. But as you rightly point out, a lot of Canadians,

00:13:45.420 millions of Canadians don't have access to a family doctor. I don't have a family doctor.

00:13:49.020 I don't have one either. Yeah.

00:13:50.380 Right. And, you know, anybody who walks into an emergency room right now knows the, you know,

00:13:56.940 abject state of despair of Canada's, of Canada's healthcare system. So obviously,

00:14:01.020 the Immigration Department shouldn't be advertising Canada's healthcare system,

00:14:05.180 particularly given that they have juiced the immigration levels to unsustainable highs

00:14:11.580 over the last several years. So I think, you know, for people who might not be following this,

00:14:17.420 my colleague, Dan Mazier, who you mentioned, he is the Conservative Shadow Minister for Health.

00:14:23.340 He's been leading a study on the, essentially the impacts of the Liberals' immigration levels over the

00:14:29.980 last several years on Canada's healthcare system. He's been doing an excellent job. People should watch that.

00:14:35.900 But no, they're, they're, the Liberals have not, they didn't even consider Alex. They haven't even

00:14:41.500 ever tried to get data on the capacity of Canada's healthcare system and our jobs. You know, I saw,

00:14:50.700 I saw this press release, it was a region in one of the big healthcare region in one of the big

00:14:58.460 colleges in Ontario that actually had to put out a press release saying that they were charging temporary

00:15:03.020 residents for having babies at their hospital because they just couldn't keep up with the capacity.

00:15:08.140 So it's this, it's this thing that nobody wants to talk about. Like, you know, a lot of people take,

00:15:12.780 and in Canada rightly take pride in the, in the healthcare system, but it's, it doesn't have capacity

00:15:18.220 to deal with the amount of people that it, that depend on it right now. And that's not fair to anybody.

00:15:23.740 So, you know, yeah, it's very disappointing that the Liberals are internally messaging ways to spin 0.94

00:15:29.900 this really dumb advertising plan. It shows that the Liberals don't have anybody in charge,

00:15:35.580 that their ministers are incredibly weak, but the buck stops with Mark Carney. You know,

00:15:39.820 I think immigration has been an afterthought for him. And I think that he's largely continuing, 0.87

00:15:44.380 you know, the, the, the decade of liberal century initiative policies, which have juiced immigration

00:15:49.900 levels to a point where, you know, health, healthcare in particular can't keep up.

00:15:54.060 Yeah. And, and speaking of our darling century initiative, which I've gone into so many times

00:15:59.340 on Juneau by, by a recent leisure poll found most immigrants, most immigrants, recent new Canadians

00:16:05.580 want fewer than 300,000 immigrants annually. That's lower than outlined in the budget.

00:16:10.140 And Veronix has eight in 10 saying too, too many are still coming in. Abacus has a majority still

00:16:15.500 saying the revised numbers are too high and the conservatives would be better equipped to lead on

00:16:19.740 this file. Of course you would be. So why the liberal creative accounting here to, to avoid

00:16:24.780 real and necessary change? Who is really at fault here? Is it just Carney? Is it his century initiative

00:16:31.580 pals? Is it calls from certain premiers? What's the role of the business lobby here that seemingly

00:16:36.860 lost its way and become obsessed with, with this kind of exploitable replacement labor caste system

00:16:43.340 and abandoning our young workers? Like, is there plenty of blame to go around here?

00:16:47.500 Yeah, I think you've framed the part of the problem out correctly.

00:16:51.980 Um, there are, there is an inordinate amount of lobbying that happens in Ottawa from business

00:16:58.780 groups that have be, have based their entire business model off of essentially indentured,

00:17:04.940 low skilled foreign labor, um, that has depressed wages. Uh, you know, this is why, uh, the conservatives,

00:17:12.140 myself, our leader, Pierre Polyev, we called for the abolishment of the temporary foreign worker 1.00

00:17:16.700 program because you, you talked about a caste system, uh, you know, when you've got seven

00:17:22.060 percent of the population is temporary foreign workers and the, the way that the program is

00:17:26.860 structured, it's such that essentially you're beholden to one employer that is going to depress

00:17:32.060 wages. It's going to depress working conditions, and it is going to close off entry-level work

00:17:36.860 opportunities for Canadian youth. And we're seeing, we see that happening. There's what is it? 20%

00:17:41.580 youth unemployment. Um, so, so I do think that there are a lot of, I know this for a fact,

00:17:47.820 lobby groups that they either spin and say, wow, there's no youth job crisis. There's actually no

00:17:52.220 impact on wages. Well, it's, you know, I shouldn't screw on your show show, but it's bull, right? Like

00:17:58.220 it's, it's, it's, it's bunk. So there is like an, and these lobby groups want to keep that scenario

00:18:04.780 because then they don't have to pay higher wages. They don't have to train Canadians. They don't have

00:18:09.900 to improve working conditions. And I don't buy the argument that we don't have the talent in this

00:18:15.900 country that we can train, uh, that we don't, that young Canadians don't want job opportunities. I 0.96

00:18:21.260 also think that's bull. And I think that, you know, this is why I'm proud of my party for saying,

00:18:26.220 no, we would abolish the temporary foreign work program. We'd replace it, um, with a, a system

00:18:31.900 that's only focused on legitimately hard to fill seasonal agricultural needs. Um, and then, and then

00:18:39.500 train, train Canadians and give those opportunities back to Canadian youth. Um, and it's not fair to 1.00

00:18:45.180 foreign workers coming to Canada either to work in those types of conditions. So, uh, yeah, it's,

00:18:51.260 I think that there's a lot of pressure on the government from lobby groups. And I mean,

00:18:55.020 we could have a whole other conversation about what that program has done for productivity in Canada,

00:19:00.700 which is also in the toilet, but that's for another day, but no, it's, um, that's why the

00:19:05.020 numbers are so high and they shouldn't be that high. Um, but you see a lot of spin in the media

00:19:09.500 on that from, from industry, for sure. You do from industry and for our audience who are unaware,

00:19:15.020 the century initiative, this, this lobby group that is shooting for a population of a hundred million

00:19:19.900 over a very short timeframe in Canada, they have, they've run like co-ads and co-sponsorship with

00:19:26.060 the globe and mail. And so, you know, be discerning in what you're reading. Cause there are times where

00:19:30.380 you open that globe opinion section. And if you're not getting a two page spread on behalf of the PRC,

00:19:35.580 you're getting this, you know, infinite. That was wild. Hey, yeah.

00:19:39.020 I saw that. Yeah. Well, status quo defending beyond belief. That's a paper that, uh,

00:19:45.260 certainly seems to have a gerontocratic view of our country and wanting to replace our young 0.97

00:19:49.980 workers. I even think of, think of all the young people we have unemployed right now and, and our

00:19:54.060 supposed fix for our military woes is to enlist, you know, public servants, uh, or enlist the, the

00:20:00.700 Ottawa bureaucratic class who, who couldn't do 10 pushups. When you have an army of young men who are 0.98

00:20:05.900 gym goers, they're, they're, they're, you know, like-minded, they're ready to go. 0.70

00:20:10.780 And we're skipping over them again for, for people with, I don't know, pronouns in their email bio.

00:20:15.820 And so that's, uh, you know, they're just what, how do you not just alienate people and drive them

00:20:21.420 crazy? Well, look, like, I mean, there's a whole separate conversation to be had on the state of

00:20:25.980 Canada's, uh, armed forces and the fact that the liberals have underfunded them, uh, you know,

00:20:32.140 changed the objectives of, of the armed forces over the years. Um, but I do think that, you know,

00:20:39.980 that there are Canadians who either want to join the military or want to do these jobs, but just

00:20:46.220 going back to what I just said earlier, uh, the policies of the government have to make sure that

00:20:53.820 you're, you're, you're not creating government intervention such that you're taking away those

00:20:58.060 opportunities from people that are already in the country. There are people in Canada who want to

00:21:02.780 do these jobs. They want to join the military. They want to, um, you know, get entry-level jobs.

00:21:08.620 I don't buy that they're not there. We need to do a better job of making sure that the government

00:21:12.780 isn't in the way of those opportunities. And, and I do think it's fixable. It's not fixable if the

00:21:18.940 government just keeps listening to one lobby group and doesn't listen to people who don't have

00:21:23.180 high paid Ottawa lobbyists like, you know, a young Canadian, right? Yeah. I could go on lobby groups 0.53

00:21:29.500 forever. And I routinely in my line of work get in trouble for going on lobby groups now because

00:21:35.260 we have such an unrepresented young worker class, seemingly certain, uh, premier's offices and such.

00:21:44.940 It's a, you know, you need sort of official representation after making a donation and then it,

00:21:49.340 the door is open for you, but they don't open for anybody else. And they're not opening for our

00:21:52.860 missing middle, our lower class, our young Canadians. Another thing that really concerns

00:21:57.260 people is, is these activist judges is, is light sentencing for supposedly temporary visitors and PRs.

00:22:04.300 I know it's a growing concern for so many. There's the case from last week of the man on the QEW.

00:22:09.260 This was years ago who killed one and harmed five in a fit of red mist road rage. He fled the scene

00:22:15.340 and didn't turn himself in for weeks yet. He gets to stay as a PR. You've even been criticized

00:22:21.740 for calling this out. I saw that over the weekend. Is this not, is this not supposed to be a no brainer

00:22:26.860 that if you're not a citizen and you commit a serious crime and any or most crimes that you

00:22:31.980 should be sentenced and deported? Yeah. I mean, so there's two issues at play here.

00:22:38.540 One is a Supreme court ruling from about 10 years ago, which allowed judges to consider somebody's

00:22:45.660 immigration status in sentencing them if they were convicted of a serious crime. You and I've

00:22:51.260 talked about this before. And what that Supreme court ruling did was it allowed for more leniency

00:22:57.820 for non-citizens who were convicted of serious crime. So as you said, they could stay in the country. 1.00

00:23:02.300 I have a bill in front of the house of commons to change this and prevent the judiciary from being

00:23:08.300 able to consider immigration status in order to give more lenient sentences to non-citizens.

00:23:13.900 That'll be up for a vote in the next few weeks or so. It'll be up for debate in a couple of weeks.

00:23:21.100 And then there's a second issue, which is, you know, in the Immigration and Refugee Protection Act

00:23:26.860 right now, there, there's a set of rules on what is considered to be a serious crime in terms of

00:23:36.300 barring somebody from either getting citizenship or from staying in the country if they're convicted in

00:23:40.700 Canada. I, you know, stay tuned for more on that. But I think that it is long overdue for us to have

00:23:46.620 a look at whether or not those bars are significant or high enough. Um, the amount, the number of cases

00:23:52.780 that we've seen, uh, in this regard that it seems like, like Alex, there's something like every day,

00:23:57.740 almost it, that tells me that that particular section either needs to be reviewed or amended.

00:24:03.900 Um, so, so stay tuned for more on that because it really does concern me because there should be,

00:24:09.420 you know, like you and I have talked about this before. They're, uh, staying in the country is a 0.99

00:24:13.580 privilege for a non-citizen. It's not a right. And the Immigration and Refugee Protection Act is that act 0.99

00:24:20.220 which states what those conditions should be. And if they're not being enforced, then just coming to the,

00:24:25.980 like the, then we're essentially saying as a society, well, there's no rules or no consequences

00:24:30.940 for non-citizens if you break the law when you're in the country. And that's not right. 0.99

00:24:34.780 Um, so yes, we will, we will be on that as well too.

00:24:42.460 No, there's bad news on that front every day. And I, and I look forward to that news because it's,

00:24:46.460 it's a daily temporary worker sex pest. It's a daily, uh, trucker that t-bones a family and we're 0.97

00:24:52.380 all just supposed to go, ah, you know, maybe he can drag this out in the courts. Like poor Jamie Sarkonic,

00:24:57.100 who's like such an incredible writer and journalist.

00:24:59.260 She is just every single day, every single day, every single day is having to interface with this 0.99

00:25:04.620 crap. And I'm swearing on my own show now and, and, and, and blowing the whistle on, on the depths of 0.98

00:25:11.580 this abdication. So I don't believe in black pilling people too much. I, I, I half the time I realize what 1.00

00:25:18.940 I do for a living is I give conservative pep talks. So we don't just lay down in the street. What do you

00:25:25.340 need from concerned Canadians on the social license front right now on immigration to, to stand against

00:25:30.860 these, these petitions and these attempts to continue the breaking of this once celebrated

00:25:35.580 system under, under Stephen Harper, Jason Kenney, and, and even our friend, Michael Bonner, like what,

00:25:40.620 what the heck can we do to, to help you and, and to help drag this, this system back towards common

00:25:47.340 sense and to prevent them from screwing this all up again?

00:25:49.340 Well, I, it is just a return to common sense. Like there's a lot of people who want immigration 0.97

00:25:55.020 reform who are immigrants themselves. Majority immigrants want this change more than anybody.

00:26:00.140 So I don't think that it's like the liberals have been trying to frame this issue out as,

00:26:06.060 you know, an anti-immigrant sentiment. I don't get that at all. Like I don't get that in Canada.

00:26:11.420 It's an, there, there's a lot of people who oppose the policy, uh, the liberal policies of mass

00:26:17.660 immigration with, uh, with reluctance to deport people who have no legal reason to be in the

00:26:23.980 country. And, uh, you know, what has been encouraging for me to watch this debate unfold

00:26:29.180 in Canada is that most Canadians, regardless of political stripe are of that opinion and have

00:26:35.500 been communicating that way in spite of the liberals who are in political hot water over this file,

00:26:41.020 trying to frame it as something that it's not. So I, you know, I would just say,

00:26:44.860 continue that common sense approach the issues. That's how I'm approaching it as a shadow minister.

00:26:49.420 I've got a great, uh, group of people who work with me from my team on, on the immigration

00:26:54.140 committee, including Brad Radicopp from Saskatchewan. Um, but like, like we're, we're going to keep

00:27:00.300 pushing for these common sense reforms. We've talked about the abolition of the TFW program.

00:27:04.620 We've talked about changing, um, the rules for automatic citizens, the descendants of, um, 1.00

00:27:10.460 automatic citizenship for the descendants of two temporary residents. Yeah. Uh, we've,

00:27:15.340 we've made substantive changes to liberal legislation on, on chain migration, for example,

00:27:21.420 even though they got it that afterwards, but there's opportunities in the future here very

00:27:26.700 quickly to have more changes. And, you know, the more that the public is just saying like,

00:27:32.620 this is common sense, of course, of course, these things should be, should be changed. The easier it

00:27:37.820 is for me as a legislator to do that. So thank you to you for raising attention to this issue,

00:27:42.620 but there's a lot of other folks in the country who are just like, yeah, you know,

00:27:46.220 this isn't really a partisan issue anymore. There needs to be some change. So that's encouraging on my

00:27:51.500 front for sure. Good. Okay. Well, we've got our homework and our marching orders there because

00:27:55.260 it's an important one. We want to fix this for, for our new Canadians, our old Canadians. It's not 1.00

00:28:01.100 working. They're trying to get away with, uh, with pulling a fast one here. And so Michelle Rumpel 0.99

00:28:05.020 Garner, thanks so much for joining us. Thanks for having me.

Juno News - November 13, 2025

Carney’s Immigration Shell Game？

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