Carney’s plan BACKFIRES, campaign ends in FLAMES
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Candace Malan is joined by Gwen Morgan, CEO of Encana, to discuss the latest scandal surrounding Bank of Canada Governor Mark Carney and his comments to Donald Trump about Canada being the 51st state.
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Mark Carney. Trudeau's money man. Globalist. China's pal. Weeks in, he jets to Beijing.
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Scores a $250 million loan from their state bank. 11 MPs tied to Beijing. Carney's crew
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says nothing. Selling us out. Foreign cash. Secret deals. Carney's Canada.
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I'm Candace Malcolm and this is The Candace Malcolm Show. Thank you so much for tuning in.
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We are heading into the final weekend of the campaign and it is incredibly close.
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Juno News' exclusive poll that came out earlier this week had it neck and neck.
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39 for the Liberals, 39 for the Conservatives. There's other hints and I'm optimistic because
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when I look at Juno News' neighbour poll, and I mentioned this, but Abacus Data, one of the top
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pollsters in Canada, has also put out a neighbour poll. They've sort of followed our lead,
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changed their methodology, put out a neighbour poll. And theirs is even more optimistic for
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the Conservatives. They have Pierre Polyev at 44% to Mark Carney's 40%. So either way,
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this election is going to come down to a hair. And I think that the stories going into the final
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weekend of the campaign really matter, which is why the news about Mark Carney is just so
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incredibly damning. He has been caught in a very big, very public lie. And even the legacy media
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are coming after him. Folks, this is going to be a great show. Please like the video. It really helps
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Okay, so to help me break down the news, talk about this scandal, talk about Mark Carney, talk about
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the lost liberal decade of productivity. I'm very pleased today to be joined by one of Canada's most
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successful businessman, Gwen Morgan. Gwen is a retired petroleum engineer, who was the founder
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of Encana and served as a CEO until 2005. Gwen, thank you so much for joining us.
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Good to be here. It's especially good to hear that things are getting that close.
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Honestly, I'm optimistic. I don't trust the polls. I think that the idea that Mark Carney was up by 15
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points earlier the campaign is absurd. And I think that really the neighbour poll, to me, is the best poll
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out there. I hope we're vindicated on election day. I think that this type of polling has been
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effective in other countries in picking up on things that regular polls don't. And so I think,
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again, this scandal, I'm going to walk us through it here, with Mark Carney, it kind of implodes their
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entire campaign. The entire idea behind Mark Carney's success here is that we're told that his CV,
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his resume is so impressive, he's the one that can step in and manage a crisis, and that Donald Trump
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respects him, right? And that was what the legacy media pushed. That is what he himself said. And so
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this is what happened. CBC reported it on Thursday, April 24th, that during a phone call last month
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between Donald Trump and Mark Carney, basically at the time, Mark Carney said that Trump respected
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Canada's sovereignty, that the whole Governor Trudeau and 51st States was over. He wasn't doing that
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anymore with Carney. And he said, we respected his sovereignty. Well, the CBC reported yesterday
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that that's not true. So this is what the CBC reported during that phone call between Donald
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Trump and Mark Carney. The US president did put the idea of making Canada the 51st state back on the
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table, sources told Radio Canada. So first, let me just show you the clip of Mark Carney back in March,
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dismissing the idea, saying that he had a good call with President Trump, and that he respected his
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sovereignty, implied that those kind of comments about the Governor and 51st state were not made
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anymore. And so again, telling the Canadian public that with him at the helm, with him as Prime
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Minister, that Trump was backing off and backing down. And that's again, why we needed Mark Carney.
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So let's show this clip from back in March. Give us a sense of the tone that Donald Trump struck
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with you on the call. Did he call us the 51st state? Did he call you the Governor? Or was he more
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respectful like he was in the Oval Office? It was, as I say, it was a very, very productive,
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his words, very productive, mine, very constructive. They mean the same thing. It was very cordial.
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You've said that you wouldn't sit down with Mr. Trump and talk to him unless he respects Canada's
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sovereignty. Did you convey that to the president today? And if so, what did he say?
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The president respected Canada's sovereignty today, both in his private and public comments.
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So he was asked point blank, did he use the language 51st state? Carney didn't really,
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he kind of obscured the comment. But then when he asked about sovereignty, he said yes,
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in both in public and in private. It kind of frustrates me that the Canadian media just trust
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what Mark Carney says, because he wasn't being honest there. And it took a month for us to figure
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this out. And during that month was, you know, the most important, most consequential month of the
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election campaign. So again, kind of shocking. But I'm very glad that the CBC reported this,
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called them out. So President Trump was seen, again, doubling down on this idea. So speaking from the
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Oval Office on Wednesday, he continued and repeated the rhetoric that Canada as a state
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works, again, saying that we should be absorbed and annexed into the United States. Let's play that
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clip. Again, we don't really want Canada to make cars for us, to put it bluntly. We want to make
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our own cars. And we're now equipped to do that. They took a lot of our car business, Mexico too,
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took a lot of our car business. We want to make the cars here. I'm running this country,
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I'm not running Canada. And that's why I asked Trudeau, who I call Governor Trudeau,
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affectionately, but I asked him, why are we spending $200 billion to support Canada, to subsidize
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Canada? And he was unable to answer the question. I mean, why are we doing that? And I have to be
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honest, as a state, it works great. As a nation, considering the fact that most of the nation,
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you know, 95% of Canada, what they do is they buy from us. And they sell to us. They sell to us.
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If we didn't buy their oil, if we didn't buy their, and we don't need their oil. They have more oil than
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anyone, but we don't need their oil. We don't need their lumber. We don't need their cars. We don't
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need anything. So I said, why are we doing this? Why are we spending $200 billion? It doesn't make
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sense. If we needed something, that would be a different subject. So I'm working well with
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Canada. We're doing very well. We're working on a deal. We'll see what happens. But again, you
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know, why, representing this country, why are we spending $200 billion to support and subsidize
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another country? Because if they didn't have us, and if we didn't spend that money,
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as Trudeau told me, they would cease to exist. He said that to me, they would cease to exist,
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So following that, following the CBC report, Mark Kearney was asked about this. And the media
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really did not hold back. They, you can tell when they feel betrayed that their man, Mark Kearney,
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has misled them, has lied. The entire narrative of the campaign is falling apart. And watch Mark
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Kearney squirm, just totally unable to give a straight answer and admit that he had lied.
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On March 28th, didn't President Trump bring up the idea of Canada becoming the 51st state during
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The, as I just said, the president brings this up all the time. He brought it up yesterday. He's
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brought it up before. There's a difference between the conversation that was held between leaders
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of government, which was this conversation, and a discussion that led directly to an agreement that
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as sovereign countries, we would have negotiations about our partnership following the election on
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Hi, Mr. Kearney, McKenzie Gray with Global News. I think you've talked to Ashley and Laurence's
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questions, so I'll just give you one opportunity again. Yes or no, did Mr. Trump bring up the 51st
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I said that he did. I said that he did. But the president, to be clear,
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il, oui, il a sulevé. C'est une question de pays souverains. Sorry, McKenzie, I should
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be answering you in English. The, the, him raising something and then where the discussion
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is, he has these things in his mind. It's not, this is not news. He raises it all the time.
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Okay? But then the question is what's going to be done with it? And does he understand
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where we stand, but more particularly where I stand? He is under no illusions. Never, absolutely
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not, never. Move on. It's two sovereign nations coming together, negotiating our partnership,
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our relationship. And the question is, will, will there be a deal that's acceptable to Canada?
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There's a lot that will never be on the table in those negotiations, and I've been absolutely
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So really not able to give a straight answer. You can see that trick that they did where he
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switches to speaking in French. He was in Coquitlam, British Columbia, right? There's no
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reason to start speaking French in the middle of a press conference other than just to duck the
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question so that you don't have to give the answer. And he said, yeah, I said that he, that Trump
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said the 51st state thing. He said, yes, I already said that. No, he didn't. That was the first time
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he ever admitted it. And when he was asked point blank back in March, he denied it. So
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Gwen, what do you make of this scandal? Do you think it will be consequential in determining
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Well, it certainly is a major revelation, but it's hard to know how much difference it makes
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because the public has to get the point, you know, and he's sort of obscusing. He was obscush.
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And so it wasn't very clear, but it depends on what they do with it, what the media does
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with it, I think. And it's interesting that the Radio Canada is the one part of the CBC
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that Polia wants to keep. So maybe they're doing a good job on that.
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Interesting, isn't it? Yeah, I noticed that. And one thing, this is kind of a tangent, but
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during the French debate, Polia explained why he wanted to continue to support Radio Canada.
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Radio Canada is a French version of CBC. So he's saying, defund the English CBC,
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keep the French CBC. And he was saying, because when he was growing up in Calgary and he was a
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French speaker, he was only able to get his news from Radio Canada, therefore meaning we should keep
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it. But in my mind, I'm like, you know, that was the 70s and the 80s, man. Like so much has
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changed. You're saying that there's no French podcast, so there's no independent French
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journalists out there that you still need the government. Anyway, I'll save my criticisms of
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Polia for another time. I want to go to what Polia is saying about this here is what he wrote
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on X. He said, Mark Carney lied about his call with Trump in a desperate attempt to distract from
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the lost liberal decade of rising costs and crime and to trick Canadians into giving liberals a fourth
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term. Carney's entire campaign is built on lies. If he lies about this, he would lie about inflation,
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taxes, crime, and everything else. A little hyperbolic, but I actually agree with this idea.
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The entire campaign was built on a lie. The entire thing that the media were trying to tell us about
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Mark Carney is that he showed up with Trump. Trump immediately respected him. No more of the governor
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stuff. No more of the 51st state stuff. And that is why Canadians, many of them, again, if you believe
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the polls or just the momentum, that Mark Carney was the person for the job because of that lie. And
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for it to come apart on the eve of the election, I think it will have an impact. I want to go to this.
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Steven Taylor, who is a conservative, I think he's an operative for the party, he wrote this on X. He said,
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there's a very good chance the liberals leaked that Carney lied about the Trump call. It's easy bait to
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resurrect the main theme of the liberal campaign. Boy, you know, these liberals, if you believe
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something like this, it's like they're trying to play 3D chess over there, but their dirty tricks
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keep failing, right? The whole idea of button gate, the dirty tricks, they were planting Trump buttons at
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the Canada Strong and Free conference just to get exposed and humiliated over that. And then if they were
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lying about this, I get why they want Trump back in the news cycle. But if they planted that,
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they really didn't do their guy any favors because you saw him squirming out there, unable to answer
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those questions in Coquitlam. So if a liberal operative did that, maybe this is a firing offense.
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Mark Carney didn't fire the staff over button gate, but I think maybe he should fire whoever leaked this
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to the media. I don't agree with that analysis, by the way. I don't think that they leaked this. I think
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that this is just some, frankly, some solid journalism from Radio Canada and the fact that they couldn't
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help but putting this out. It was so important to the public, for the public to know about this going
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into the election. What do you make of all this win? Well, you know, I think Mark Carney has been,
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I guess, lying, or at least of excuse, using a language that is not clear for a long time. I mean,
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he, this is a guy who was, according to the latest world economic data, has denied the fact that Canada's
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GDP per capita, which is the same as standard of living, has been collapsing. And
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that this is, and yet he doesn't understand that we're heading towards having a GDP per capita of
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half of the U.S. Because, you know, what's happening in the U.S. is that Trump is actually increasing the
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GDP per capita. And what's happening in Canada is we're decreasing it. And so we're heading towards
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having 50% of the, of the U.S. per capita GDP. And he, you know, he's not going to talk about that.
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Well, he, he should. And I think that that is, one of the interesting things is that because of
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the media and the way that they've pushed this story with Trump, and again, Carney coming in to
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save them, they've made it so that the ballot box question is about something external, an external
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threat being Donald Trump, when really what Canadians deserve is for an election based on
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the governance of Canada, the standard of living, like you've said, the lost economic decade. You had
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a wonderful piece in C2C Journal, Appetite for Destruction, how a decade of liberal rule cratered
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Canada's economy. And this should be the ballot box question. This is what the entire election should be
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about. And yet we're kind of falling for these distractions about Trump. I'm glad that the Carney
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lie came out because it can put that idea to bed that no, Carney is not some magic Trump whisperer
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that can somehow appease Donald Trump. That's just not the case. And let's talk about the real issues
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of the election. So, Gwen, I want to ask you to sort of walk us through your essay that you wrote
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about how liberal rule cratered Canada's economy.
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Okay. Well, let me put my reading glasses on because I want to just keep referring to my piece
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As I said, I talked about GDP per capita, which is a fundamental point. Most Canadians don't
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quite understand how important it is, but it really means basically standard of living. And it's been
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collapsing. And, you know, we have a country that should be the envy of the world. I mean,
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we have all the resources. We've got rivers and oil and gas reserves. We've got mineral wealth from the
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Canadian Shield. We are probably the most blessed country in terms of overall resources. And yet,
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look where we're going. We're going towards a standard living that keeps on collapsing.
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a lot of it relates back to the Trudeau government's green fanaticism, which actually is
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even more strong, I think, in the mind of Carney. He was one of the founders of the Gantt's
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international agreement on emissions and that he's been trying to back away from. But it really is
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is basically going to wipe out the economy of the country if it went forward that way.
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You know, the carbon tax is a very interesting thing because we know that what it's done for
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for the motor fuels and for the cost of moving around by Canadians. But what is not clear to a lot of
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people is that at the same time, we were putting huge EV subsidies in place. And the accommodation
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of that has done a lot of economic damage. You know, the farmers, what Carney wants to do
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is move the carbon tax away from where the people see it, which is at the pump, back to producers,
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which are the people that produce the economy and support the economy of the country. He's not going
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to take it away. He's going to put it upstream and try to hide it. And that's another thing that says
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something about the guy, you know, about his whole approach to things. But actually, when you look at
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the farmers and all the people upstream of producing goods and services and putting it on their back,
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not taking it down, just putting it on their back is a subterfuge. It's another one of his way of doing
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things. You know, this whole thing about the New War Pipelines Act that the federal government put in
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Put prohibiting new oil and gas pipelines. It was introduced by Stephen Gilbert, the former
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Greenpeace activist who once climbed to the top of CN's tower in front of a banner that said,
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Canada and Bush climate clinic killers. And this is the guy who were relying on for the liberal
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economic and climate policies. One of the things that's also a measure of how a country does
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is what the business investment per worker is. It's a key driver of income and living standards.
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And the Fraser Institute published a note that said that in 2023, it said that our business investment
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per worker had declined from $18,000 in 2014 to just a little less over $14,000 in 2023. And it's heading
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downwards. And that's a gap between Canada and the US of 82% in investment per worker. All of this stuff,
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you know, is not readily understood by the average Canadian, I don't think. But really,
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all it means is that the country is continuing to go downward and push itself downwards through these
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kinds of policies. And then there's, of course, our DEI policies that compel businesses to hire people
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that aren't fully qualified, or at least not the best qualified for the work they do. And that's a
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Well, and it's also deeply unfair. I mean, journalist Jonathan Kaye, he's done a great
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job highlighting these things on X, where he'll post a job posting for say, like the University of
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British Columbia. And he'll highlight like everything in blue is the actual qualifications
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you need for the job. And then everything in pink are the identity qualifications that you need. And you
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can see, it's like 90% based on identity, and 10% based on qualifications, which is absurd. But it's
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also deeply discouraging for young men, young white women and men who basically unless you adhere to the
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complete ideology and, you know, play up your ideology, or try to invent some kind of new identity,
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you basically don't have a chance. I was talking to a friend of mine, who's a retired doctor,
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and he was talking about how he basically doesn't believe that white males can get accepted into
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medical school anymore. He's mentored young men that have perfect GPAs, outstanding resumes in terms of
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volunteer work, and just showing capacity in every area of life who get rejected from every single law
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school in the country. And it's like, what kind of future can you have in a country that bases
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who they hire on the color of your skin? It's so terrible, Gwen, for our country. Sorry,
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I interrupted you, you can continue. And adding to that, Candice, is the whole issue. We have a
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healthcare crisis. Part of the crisis, we have a lack of doctors, a huge, huge shortfall. And there's
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thousands of dollars, thousands of doctors who want to come to Canada. And they're well trained,
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they're top people, but they tend to be, you know, among them. Not many of them are members of what
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we call the minorities. And so, they're barred from coming. So, at the same time as you have a
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healthcare crisis, we're stopping people who want to come to this country to help.
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You know, every way you look at this, it's so devastating, not only for the economy, but for
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individuals trying to get treatment for medical care. So, one of the other things, of course, is
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the difference between Canada and the U.S. that drives those big differences in economic performance
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is unionization. Canada has three times the unionization rate of the U.S. And it shows up in
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person days lost due to strike. In one year, from those two years, from 2022 to 2023,
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the—or 24, I should say—we had so many strikes in this country that just dropped two billion a day in
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shipments on railways. And the Canada post-strike hit before Christmas for people. We have our ports,
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which move billions of dollars a day, really, a month, I should say, of shutting down. All of that
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happening in a country that's already having economic problems. And whereas in the U.S.,
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they just don't allow that. So, there's so many different things. I mean, the national debt,
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of course, we know has skyrocketed. Nine years of liberal rule has not only crippled the economy,
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but has taken the national debt from $626 billion to $1.34 trillion. And looking at Carney's agenda,
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Well, I want to jump in and say that this is something that sort of flew under the radar.
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But earlier in the campaign, on April 5th, Mark Carney was in Oakville. And he said that he wants
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to build a new economy. To me, this is just more of the same, the sort of woke, utopian thinking,
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that we can just erase everything that we built over the years and start again, start fresh,
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build something totally new, move away from natural resources and go towards this green utopia
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that never seems to work in real life. I think we have this clip. Let's play this clip.
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Above all, we will build a new Canadian economy. Our task as a nation over the coming weeks and months
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and years is to think bigger and to act bigger, to build Canada strong. That starts right here.
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Ironically, because as you pointed out, the Americans are investing so much more per worker
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than Canada. But this idea, whenever I hear someone talk like this, it just puts me on edge.
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No, you cannot build a new economy. Canada has an economy just fine. You have to invest in it and
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help it grow or, frankly, get out of the way so that it can grow. I think that's more the Pierre
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Palliev approach, take away all these costly regulations and reduce these taxes and not bring
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in new spending, not increase the size of an already bloated bureaucracy. Whereas the Liberals,
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and especially Mark Carney, they very much feel, because they're experts, that they can create
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something new. And, you know, it's never worked in the past. I don't know why we will believe
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that it could work again now. What do you think?
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Well, here's a guy, you know, that wrote a book called Values, Building Better World for
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All in 2021. One of the things the book talks about is that the free market economy doesn't work.
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It can't work. The governments have to manage the economy. Like, this is about the most left-wing
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discussion you could possibly have, and that's his philosophy. So he doesn't believe in the private
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sector. He believes that governments have to take control. And when he's talking about what he's
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going to do with the Canadian economy, that's what he's talking about. He doesn't believe in free
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enterprise. It's really unbelievable to say that, of a prime minister, and yet he's openly
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speaking about it and admitting it. Quite, quite shocking. Well, I'm very pleased that this news came
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out that Mark Carney had lied, because I hope it gets through to some of those folks in the elbows-up
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crowd to say, you know, this man's not your savior. Despite what the CBC has told you in the past,
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he hasn't done what they say he's going to do. I want to end this show on a positive note.
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The Toronto Maple Leafs, I'm not a Maple Leafs fan, but I will say my husband's a huge fan,
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so he was very happy last night. They scored in overtime and won. And I guess on the way home from the
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hockey game, a bunch of Leafs fans, their chant goes from, you know, go Leafs go,
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to all of a sudden, we want Polyev, we want Polyev. So I think it's exciting to see,
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first of all, the excitement, also the young crowd. I really think that this election will
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be determined by young voters, people under the age of 35. This might be, you know, the best
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opportunity for them to get a shot in this country. And so to see these young men, you know, having a
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great time and cheering on Pierre Polyev, I think that that's exactly the kind of message that we want
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going into the weekend. So let's play that clip.
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Well, that's so heartwarming, you know, and I think that maybe it's funny getting through to
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Canadians and especially young Canadians who are already very much supportive. But it's us baby
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boomers and so on that are in the wrong place a lot of the time. But it's a great trend. And Pierre
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Polyev and his wife Anita are wonderful people. I mean, here's an orphan that was handed over to his
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grandmother or whatever, to a stepmother. And she came from Venezuela and fought her way up to get
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educated and both. They're such a, the furthest thing from being the elitist, the carnivist. It
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Exactly. Very modest beginnings, both of them. And it's so heartwarming to hear their story. And I'm glad
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they're breaking through with young Canadians. I know the baby boomers watching this show
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are the good kind. You're the ones that are going to help us save the country.
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But I do think it's a good sign that young people are actually voting for a responsible
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conservative government or at least leaning that way. All right, Gwen, I really appreciate your time.
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Thank you so much for joining us. That's Gwen Morgan, retired businessman and philanthropist.
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Well, folks, we'll be back on Monday with our election broadcast. I'm very excited. We're going to be
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live live streaming all night long. We've got some great features that we're going to be introducing.
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We have a decision desk that will be calling seats as they come in. So you can fully watch
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Juno news without having to have an eye on the legacy media because we will keep you fully informed.
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We've got some great guests. We've got great graphics. Our team is working on all, you know,
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we're going to have a ticker at the bottom showing you what the seat count is. And we really have a
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great program for you. So we'll be back on Monday with that. And again, this is going to be
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the most important election of our lives. So please make sure that you make a plan to go vote
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on Monday. We have to take our country back. All right, folks, have a... Sorry, go ahead, Gwen.
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Fingers crossed. Fingers crossed. Yeah, I think we're going to have a good night, but we shall see.
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Lots can happen on election day. All right, folks, have a wonderful weekend. We'll be back
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again on Monday. I'm Candace Malcolm. This is the Candace Malcolm Show. Thank you and God bless.