Juno News - CBC ATTACKS Canadian for considering move to U.S.

00:00:00.000 so i'm pleased to be joined by ryan hemsley who lives on vancouver island he's a young man who

00:00:07.260 feels disillusioned with sort of what's going on in canada he's one of the people that are

00:00:11.900 that has been severely impacted by the trudeau economy he's sick of it and so he decided to

00:00:17.480 voice some of that so ryan thank you so much for joining the show hi candace okay so let me get the

00:00:23.400 timeline straight here so when trump started when president trump started talking about the 51st

00:00:27.880 state you sort of became one of the people who were vocal about it on social media on x saying

00:00:33.460 hey not a bad idea uh rupa supermania who's a journalist who writes for the free press

00:00:38.300 reached out to you and you were featured in her news story trump take my country please so she

00:00:45.620 spoke to several young young people and different types of canadians that actually think hey this

00:00:51.700 isn't a terrible idea after that you were invited on by the cbc to presumably share your perspective

00:00:58.440 so that cbc could share with their viewers a different perspective except for that's not

00:01:02.820 really what happened the piece came out on the cbc usa it said uh who are the canadians who would

00:01:10.040 support a 51st state and then you were part of a video show as well so we're going to walk the

00:01:16.840 viewer through the show and we can point out some of the problems with it we'll do that in a minute

00:01:21.840 um but first ryan is is there is there anything that i missed is that is that sort of basically

00:01:26.040 how it how it went down yeah that no it's how it went down uh it started off um very kind of

00:01:31.540 encouraging get the voices out there have a discourse but uh you know like things go with cbc it

00:01:36.780 didn't exactly come out perfectly or the way that i had thought but that's okay but that's that's how she

00:01:41.940 went yeah i mean from my perspective like we've done polling on this through true north um and

00:01:47.940 basically it seems to me that the like young males almost overwhelmingly kind of are open to this idea

00:01:54.500 interest in this idea which to me says that this country is just not working for them like there's

00:01:58.940 not the opportunity it doesn't exist there it's not so much a question of like do you love canada

00:02:03.620 and are you patriotic enough but it's more a question of like what is your life going to look like

00:02:09.020 like do you have an opportunity to have the kind of future that you want and obviously if

00:02:14.000 i mean we did this poll through true north and uh we teamed up with one persuasion and it found that

00:02:19.840 45 percent of men aged 18 to 34 would take american citizenship if the opportunity was given to them

00:02:27.420 and so you you fall into that age category so you know it's an interesting opportunity let's hear

00:02:32.580 from the you know 46 nearly half of the population at that age i mean 45 said yes they would take it

00:02:40.220 46 said no and then 10 remained uncertain so you know we're talking about almost majority and now at

00:02:46.560 a national level it was only one in five canadians but still 22 that's significant that's that's more

00:02:52.180 than vote for like you know the ndp party and so you know to just completely brush it aside and say

00:02:59.280 it's fringe isn't really getting to the issue and the purpose of the cbc is to tell canadian stories

00:03:05.420 talk to canadians understand canadian perspectives and so it's really telling the way that they

00:03:09.900 treated you so let's let's let the viewer see um we'll start to roll this clip this is how the cbc

00:03:15.820 portrayed the people who may be interested in in joining the united states so i think canada is going

00:03:23.060 to be a very serious contender to be our 51st state i think they have to become the 51st state

00:03:30.260 we look forward to the united states beating our soon-to-be 51st state canada i say canada

00:03:36.980 should be our 51st state the threats pile on and canadians are angry we're nice people we like to

00:03:45.880 get along but don't push us around no proudly canadian i'd like to say that way that will never happen

00:03:51.500 but if you don't share that rage to be honest i wouldn't might have in the american dollars since

00:03:56.960 our loony is tanken but let me know in the comments and give me a follow there is a movement

00:04:01.720 let me let me just let me just pause it right there so so so right off the bat they say that

00:04:06.480 canadians are angry canadians are full of rage at this offer first of all the clips that they showed

00:04:11.260 of trump and his press secretary you can kind of tell it's tongue-in-cheek especially carolyn levitt

00:04:15.300 there she was obviously sort of joking when she said the 51st state she like it like i don't think

00:04:19.660 that it was coming across as a serious option and then they go to these canadian protesters right

00:04:24.360 it's a pretty small protest and we're supposed to believe that canadians are full of rage even

00:04:28.640 though everyone also in their own video is smiling and laughing and they interviewed three people

00:04:34.080 and all three people agreed like big surprise you know what i saw a rebel media clip where the guy

00:04:38.840 was doing streeters which is what we call those man on the street interviews in calgary and it was

00:04:44.360 the exact opposite every single person in downtown calgary that he was talking to was saying

00:04:48.780 hey that sounds like a great idea i'm interested the american economy seems to be doing a lot

00:04:52.800 better you can buy a cheaper house in the u.s like there seems to be a better political situation

00:04:57.820 down there so like yeah you can go out on the street and find people that will agree with you

00:05:02.000 so already right off the bat the cbc is is sort of failing to paint a balanced picture any any comment

00:05:08.840 on that ryan um yeah they went after the usual suspects in my opinion there's it i mean that's just

00:05:15.340 my opinion but i i've been getting outside of the initial hate blast um i've been finding quite a

00:05:21.420 few people who are actually on my side on this side with with respect to this way more than i thought

00:05:26.780 um so that's why when they're quoting for instance in this in this piece they go back to a poll done

00:05:31.300 all the way back in january uh with respect to only 10 percent of canadians they make it sound so fringe

00:05:36.340 um but like you were saying it's closer to 20 25 percent of canadians which is huge that's eight

00:05:42.400 eight million plus canadians there's only five and a half million people in bc so i mean that's a

00:05:47.420 massive massive number of people um yeah i thought it was you know after seeing the the video it was

00:05:53.540 typical of cbc but um there's a lot more people than i i think they realize who are who are in favor

00:05:59.280 of this okay let's let's go back yeah let's let's go back to the clip and see see how the rest of the

00:06:04.400 segment turns out join us a pro trump reporter asked about the fox news is talking about it well

00:06:12.180 trump's idea of making canada great again by turning it into the 51st state is gaining some

00:06:17.460 serious traction especially from canadian citizens that's a big stretch polls show the overwhelming

00:06:25.100 majority of canadians in all parts of the country do not want to be part of the united states angus

00:06:32.760 street institute says 90 percent of us would not support joining the u.s but who are the other

00:06:39.580 10 percent and why do they want to be part of the states okay before before they go here because

00:06:45.100 they're going to go to ryan in a second but you can just see the sort of smug reporter saying the

00:06:49.180 overwhelming majority of us don't like this idea and fox news over there is making it seem like it's

00:06:54.160 a big moment it's like well actually fox actually described the situation a little bit more accurately

00:06:57.800 than the cbc because it's not a small fringe uh to your point i mean the poll that we did with

00:07:02.500 one persuasion one persuasion and true north found that in british columbia it was 28 percent that

00:07:09.160 said yes i'm interested 20 that's that's that's almost one in three right so we are talking about

00:07:15.540 a significant amount of the public and so the cbc can just like dismiss it and pretend that it's fringe

00:07:21.020 and that it's not important again just shows cbc fails us as canadians because they're not digging

00:07:26.680 deeper the point of the segment is clearly to just create a straw man to say canadians agree

00:07:32.420 this is we love our country trump is awful we don't like him and then they bring you in to try

00:07:39.240 to i think to try to show look we are being fair and balanced and then they bring you in as a subject

00:07:44.040 so let's let's go back ryan and we can see the part where they interview and how that plays in let's go

00:07:48.980 back to that online search leads me to ryan hemsley how did you feel when you heard donald trump say

00:07:55.760 canada should be the 51st state i was very excited i've been dreaming about it since i was a kid

00:08:02.160 i don't actually believe that it's going to be a 51st state but i do think it's

00:08:06.480 an idea for a broader union between us hemsley is 33 and just moved to victoria from calgary he sells

00:08:15.360 cars for a living and thinks he would be better off financially if canada joined the u.s

00:08:21.360 i know that just based on my work ethic how hard i work if i were to pay less taxes and have more

00:08:27.200 access to to trade and business opportunities i know that i would be able to make more money

00:08:31.680 hemsley likes trump and he likes the way unelected billionaire elon musk is gutting government

00:08:37.920 services would you want that chaos to come here to canada well it has to because we have to fix it

00:08:42.880 somehow i'd much rather the chaos come here to quickly and efficiently deal with some of the

00:08:47.920 issues kind of is facing angus reed institute okay wait a second wait a second i just have to get

00:08:52.560 ryan to comment on that ryan is that accurate do you like the way that billionaire and unelected

00:08:58.080 billionaire elon musk is gutting services as she puts it well when i was asked that question um and

00:09:04.160 i will say that outside of the fact that they edited it in a certain way to make me look like a 0.88

00:09:08.400 total dumb dumb um she was very polite to me when we were there but you know when she asked that 0.98

00:09:13.360 question about unelected um elon musk this is before the carney coronation i you know brought 0.99

00:09:19.520 up you know i don't have a problem with the leader of a free country choosing their staff just like

00:09:24.240 trudeau has carney as an unelected advisor right didn't include any of these points so i mean i i don't

00:09:31.600 think um anybody should be judging donald trump for how he's put together his team to be honest with

00:09:36.560 you it's one of the greatest teams bipartisan team um that we've seen but uh no that was a classic

00:09:43.600 classic example of what the cdc does completely takes my answer out of context leaves out the

00:09:49.520 important part that would maybe help shine some light on the similarities between musk and carney

00:09:56.880 funny enough but um at least in their roles in government but uh but yeah i thought that was funny

00:10:01.920 but even that right so whilst donald trump was campaigning he had elon musk with him right the

00:10:08.000 idea of doge department of government efficiency was out in the public during the campaign elon was

00:10:14.080 there so when you were voting for trump you knew what you were going to get you knew that he was

00:10:18.400 bringing in this genius billionaire guy that has built all these companies and that is what one of

00:10:23.360 the things he was going to do was go through line by line and examine government cut the size of

00:10:28.880 government so that the us government doesn't go bankrupt and the cbc spins that concept as an

00:10:33.680 unelected billionaire cutting services for america what service did he cut right name one service that

00:10:39.920 he cut because he hasn't cut any services other than usa that's the only thing is like yeah we stopped

00:10:45.040 sending eight million dollars to like trans operas in peru or whatever like yeah that's the only thing

00:10:52.160 they've actually cut and and and and americans knew that they were going to get elon musk because

00:10:57.040 trump had him out there whereas in canada we didn't it's not like justin trudeau was out there

00:11:00.560 campaigning in 2021 with the world economic forum and saying like we're going to bring in the world

00:11:05.200 economic forum to run the government we're going to bankrupt canadians like that was that was not how

00:11:09.440 he campaigned at all so trump has been completely transparent and consistent whereas to the point i

00:11:14.720 think that you tried to make the cbc you know this kind of stuff does happen a lot and no justin trudeau

00:11:20.720 never campaigned with mark carney and mark carney just became prime minister with what 150 000 votes

00:11:28.800 so you know talk about unelected um okay is it worth going back to the cbc clip should we should we

00:11:34.240 should we play a bit more let's let's see what where the segment takes us the u.s was highest in alberta

00:11:40.640 and saskatchewan there's a consistent group of the most alienated folks in the country that tend to to

00:11:47.360 center around these separatist movements and have for a number of generations now take those poll

00:11:53.360 numbers with a grain of salt says political science professor jared wesley most folks that have have

00:11:59.760 expressed this in polls to us have not really thought through the implications of it and when

00:12:03.840 tested on it usually back back away from those types of opinions there is overlap between people

00:12:11.280 i think that's enough um so they found a smart political science professor to say that the people

00:12:16.640 who would support this are alienated and they're on the fringe and they probably haven't really

00:12:21.440 thought it through and once we don't know what we want and we'll just change our mind represented

00:12:26.000 with liberal logic like yeah classic okay i just want to bring in one other tidbit from the poll that

00:12:32.800 we did with one persuasion because in our poll education level emerged as a strong influencing factor

00:12:40.080 for the willingness to accept american citizenship so only 13 percent of respondents with high school

00:12:45.440 education or less said yes that they would take u.s citizenship it grew to 19 for those who had

00:12:51.200 attended community college or trade school it grew to 25 so one in four for someone with a bachelor's

00:12:57.680 degree and then someone with further education some kind of a professional degree or postgraduate

00:13:02.720 degree it went up to 35 so completely the opposite of what this political science professor is saying

00:13:08.400 the more educated you are it turns out the more interested you are in this so let's i think we're done

00:13:14.160 with the cbc we know uh what they were trying to do and what they were trying to pull so let's let's

00:13:18.560 have a real conversation ryan about why you take this offer seriously why you think it might be a good

00:13:24.960 thing now we do think it's a good thing for you personally or do you think canada as a whole should

00:13:30.320 join the united states both both well firstly i will say though i really don't believe that canada will

00:13:36.000 be a 51st state for you know i like the idea of it but i'm looking at this as a total win-win situation

00:13:41.760 no matter how you slice it one scenario it's extremely unlikely we become the 51st state and

00:13:48.160 i win perfect and i believe other canadians will win too the other scenario far more likely is that

00:13:53.360 trump is going to negotiate us to a place where we're actually now taking our own sovereignty

00:13:57.760 seriously we're now holding our leader's feet to the fire otherwise we wouldn't be having all these

00:14:02.240 drug busts we have a fentanyl czar now thank you donald trump for helping us take drugs seriously

00:14:07.120 um so that's how i that's how i look at it this is a net benefit for all canadians no matter how

00:14:12.320 you slice it so i'm looking at this no matter how it goes down this is a win-win i either get to be

00:14:17.200 part of the greatest country on planet earth which i yes i'm saying this as a canadian but it is the

00:14:21.840 united states of america that's just my two cents or part of an experiment that'll revive what canada

00:14:27.440 used to be like because donald trump is going to hold our feet to the fire so i look at this as a net

00:14:32.560 positive no matter how we slice it well it's so interesting because they don't want to have this

00:14:37.520 conversation they don't want to have this debate they just want the knee-jerk reaction they want

00:14:40.800 those canadians that they found at the beginning of the clip just like the ones that'll go out and

00:14:44.480 protest with signs like we love canada or you know doug ford in ontario with the canada's not for

00:14:49.360 sale hat like that just sort of like base level patriotism from a group of people by the way who

00:14:55.120 spent the last 10 years trying to build a post-national state and saying that canada is this horrible

00:14:59.760 racist genocidal country we should erase sir johnny mcdonald's names from all the history books

00:15:04.880 and basically we should all walk around in shame for what our ancestors did in building this country

00:15:09.760 and then just like snap of the finger everyone put on your canada maple leaf hat like let's let's cheer

00:15:16.400 i don't even think they believe it from their own from their own like peers i mean it's just so fake

00:15:21.680 like you said these were the same people who would just completely take a dump on the flag for instance

00:15:26.560 they would everything about canada was something to be ashamed of something to be sorry about

00:15:31.120 and all of a sudden like you said snap your fingers orange man bad it's team canada again that's like

00:15:35.920 that doesn't even make sense anymore so i think more and more people are seeing through like the failed

00:15:41.440 liberal logic that we've been dealing with for the last decade or dang or almost a decade and it's

00:15:47.440 you know there there's more and more people waking up to the reality in my opinion but there's still

00:15:53.040 like the usual suspects um they're going with whatever the liberal leader says is

00:15:57.600 kind of the direction to go hate canada today love canada tomorrow and everything in between

00:16:01.600 whenever they feel like it so i mean there's there's no concrete kind of action coming from them i i

00:16:07.600 like i don't believe that their sincerity i don't even think they genuinely believe it it's

00:16:12.400 those uh canada's not for sale hats or mike myers going on snl canada's not for sale that means

00:16:17.920 nothing mike no one's paying attention it's weird it's laughable and i don't think donald trump's 0.99

00:16:22.560 trying to buy canada but if our liberal leadership is that stupid that we end up handing over a massive 0.98

00:16:27.920 swath of canadian resources to him that's a that's a possibility too but that's a reflection of our own 0.98

00:16:32.720 leadership at that point well and just to go back to the 51st state or like buying canada like i don't

00:16:38.400 think that that was ever like a literal proposition right i think that that trump talks like this because

00:16:42.880 he wants to create a better deal and i think canada should have a better deal i think that we should

00:16:46.960 have more economic liberalism between the two countries we should be able to trade i would even

00:16:52.080 be open to having some kind of like a european union style not not government but the ability

00:16:57.840 for canadians to go work in the united states americans to come work in canada like having

00:17:02.560 having greater flow between the border i think that could be hugely beneficial but then having tighter

00:17:07.680 restrictions to get into north america so if the united states can force canada to take immigration

00:17:12.640 seriously and to crack down on our own issues with transnational gangs and we've had sam cooper on the

00:17:17.760 program multiple times talking about the foreign gangs running our fentanyl labs and drug dealers

00:17:23.760 terrorists coming in from all kinds of terrorist groups operating in canada taking advantage of our

00:17:27.760 weak laws like if we could use this as an opportunity to really really fix that and then have more

00:17:34.160 liberal i think that most canadians would be open to that especially if it could help the economy

00:17:39.200 because one thing we do know is that after 10 years of justin trudeau our economy is like the

00:17:44.640 difference between the canadian economy and the american economy is so stark like it used to be

00:17:51.120 roughly equal right or or you know americans were slightly wealthier canadian dollar was a little bit

00:17:55.360 lower whereas now it's like a huge gap in terms of huge ebp per capita the cost of living wages are

00:18:01.760 down in canada like canada's being left behind under this strategy and yet our media is like twisting

00:18:07.600 it and trying to make canadians believe that we have to like double down on failed liberal policies to

00:18:13.760 avoid this scary thing is they're getting in their own way they hate the man so much that it's just

00:18:21.920 clouding any sensible judgment at this point they don't even know what they're talking about like

00:18:26.320 we're just asking i'm only going to speak for myself but younger guy contributor to in the workforce

00:18:32.320 paying my taxes like if you were to lose that demographic in this country you're done anyway so

00:18:38.560 like it'll just be a complete welfare state with people not contributing and they're sorry and or

00:18:44.640 the older generations so i mean you don't want to lose it this demographic in particular men and women

00:18:50.880 you do not want to lose this working class demographic but they're alienating us it's not 1.00

00:18:55.120 you know they're like oh they feel alienated that's why they want uh this idea of the 51st state well maybe

00:18:59.920 because you've spent 10 years trying to alienate people who even think like this and it's you kind of

00:19:05.440 said it earlier but you only you know you only get one life to live here and if the leader of

00:19:12.720 this country is not going to take care of it well then maybe we need another leader who can help take

00:19:16.320 care of this land canada will always be my home i will always go to ottawa to visit it doesn't change

00:19:22.160 regardless of the economic union or whatever the heck is about to happen that's never going to

00:19:26.720 change this will always be home it'll be where we're comfortable but we need a new custodian now and

00:19:30.960 we need someone else who's willing to take us seriously what's mind-boggling to me is and i said

00:19:36.320 this on czech news when i was there but i like donald trump has done more for canada in the last

00:19:40.720 couple of weeks than our own leaders and that's just a reality too and there's nothing they can

00:19:44.720 say about that there are leaders pro-road government they're doing nothing carney's you know elected by

00:19:50.640 nobody at the end of the day 150 000 canadians represents nothing and um and they're still doubling down

00:19:58.960 i mean doug ford we're gonna turn our charge 25 tariffs on electricity buckled within an hour and

00:20:04.960 it's just and it's embarrassing to think that we can go toe to toe with the united states it's just not

00:20:11.360 reality so they you know this is it's so sad they're they're really hurting us for the sake of

00:20:16.800 scoring political points with like a class of people that's shrinking and shrinking and shrinking 0.75

00:20:21.920 in canada so appealing to the minority really in this case and uh it's sad i mean it but it's it's

00:20:28.160 costing people like me it's costing people like you i mean anyone who's watching this look at your

00:20:31.680 pay stub and tell me that things are okay go to our grocery store tell me things are okay six dollar 0.99

00:20:36.320 chickens were reality last year and it's 25 20 bucks a chicken like i mean stupid things it does it 0.95

00:20:41.840 doesn't even make sense you uh orange juice is a luxury now it's like ten dollars for a jug like it's 0.91

00:20:48.880 insane but this is what they've done well they have they've destroyed the country and now they're

00:20:53.840 trying to blame someone else and you know if you want to really see a fringe a small tiny fringe

00:20:59.200 um how about the 150 000 people that represents 0.004 percent of the canadiens so we have a prime

00:21:05.200 minister that has been selected by 0.004 and yet they're trying to say that young men who are

00:21:11.200 interested in what donald trump has to say that that's a small fringe even though it's 40 45 of the

00:21:16.000 population uh final final question for you here ryan you uh posted on x that you've been getting some

00:21:20.960 deranged fan mail um including by it seems like even some high profile people here this is a

00:21:27.440 prominent lawyer who wrote you a pretty nasty message there a pretty deranged message on x um so

00:21:34.800 tell us uh or or sorry i guess that was an email into your inbox um just ranting and raving about how

00:21:40.480 dare you basically um so tell us a little bit more about the reaction that you got after going on the cbc

00:21:47.120 uh the the reaction i got was pretty emblematic of the the people who actually view cbc um they

00:21:54.240 are in such a such an echo chamber it's pretty disgusting uh the reaction from cbc was completely

00:22:01.840 one-sided 95 completely negative and not just negative but viciously negative um that lawyer comparing

00:22:09.760 me to a nazi um also threatening my livelihood saying that he would reach out to places uh in an

00:22:16.160 attempt so that i cannot find work here on the island when the island's a small place word gets

00:22:20.640 around pretty quick as i'm finding out now um but and just all of these threats because a canadian

00:22:26.960 citizen decided to express an opinion that's a little bit different from his in his ivory tower

00:22:31.840 in vancouver or wherever he lives now vancouver or victoria and um you know and that was just

00:22:38.080 that was actually probably one of the more tame ones despite how crazy it was other people on reddit for

00:22:44.240 instance uh and i've got this great i mean this is all over my my x account but um you know it

00:22:50.320 sounds crazy even saying but threatening to tie me up by the neck you know tie me up by the feet and

00:22:56.160 drag me around the streets like mussolini that is like right off of reddit and i'm just like this is

00:23:00.960 doesn't even make sense this is deranged that they would even make the so yeah it's the cbc um

00:23:07.680 the the the the response i got from the cbc article was shockingly negative whereas every

00:23:14.800 other time i speak about this on more balanced um with more balanced news sources it's been extremely

00:23:20.320 balanced um there's been a lot of positivity but the cbc in particular it's obvious who watches it

00:23:26.320 because they are insane their response was just right out of left field you couldn't i couldn't even

00:23:32.400 believe it the first day to be honest well i i mean i believe it because i think the people who

00:23:37.440 watch the cbc believe every word they're told right they sit there and to your point they live in an

00:23:42.960 eco chamber where you know the cbc they they are basically working on behalf of the liberal party

00:23:49.680 to scare canadians to put fear into canadians to divide us which makes us weaker and that is what

00:23:55.760 their goal is that is what they try to do and the only saving grace ryan is that canadians have tuned

00:24:01.200 out like i think that their audience is small and shrinking and canadians more and more canadians

00:24:07.280 especially young canadians don't have any time for that like they know that it's biased they know that

00:24:11.440 they're not being told the truth i feel sorry for the people who sit and listen to it it's like a

00:24:15.440 captive audience and they believe it because they are being it's a disservice it's being done to those

00:24:19.760 people because cbc is deliberately pushing propaganda on them to fear monger for for all the reasons that

00:24:26.320 we laid out so it is a bit sad but um i i hope i hope you get a more positive uh reception after

00:24:31.760 coming on uh this show and we appreciate you coming on and expressing your view and even standing up in

00:24:37.040 the first place because it's not an easy position to take and you do put yourself up for criticism

00:24:43.120 but we know from polls that a significant number of canadians feel the way that you do ryan so we

00:24:48.320 appreciate you you know standing up uh for your beliefs and and speaking of us you know we need uh we

00:24:54.080 need free speech in our country in our society in order to maintain it so thanks thanks for that

00:24:58.400 thanks canis all right thanks so much for tuning in i'm canis malcolm's canis malcolm show thank you and god

00:25:04.560 bless

Juno News - March 14, 2025

CBC ATTACKS Canadian for considering move to U.S.

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