Juno News - CBC fails to debunk “bugs conspiracy theory”

00:00:00.000 Hello, everyone, and welcome to another edition of Fake News Friday.

00:00:15.720 My name is Andrew Lawton, joined as always by Harrison Faulkner

00:00:19.700 for another week of debunking the much-needed debunkables

00:00:25.900 that we get from a lot of mainstream media.

00:00:27.740 Harrison, how was the week? Good, sir.

00:00:29.320 It's been good. I feel good that I've now resumed my normal position on the show, Andrew,

00:00:33.200 or at least some things that are normal,

00:00:35.020 because we're still in that sort of influx of co-host, host, and all that,

00:00:38.760 but it's good to be back and good to join you once again.

00:00:40.880 Yeah, we try to throw us all off kilter,

00:00:43.560 so we never just get too comfortable or complacent where we are.

00:00:46.140 It's a great strategy, really.

00:00:47.900 Let's talk a little bit about this one here.

00:00:49.880 So we've seen that conspiracy theorization,

00:00:54.000 and I guess that's the name for when you just start calling things conspiracy theories,

00:00:58.640 has become a favored pastime of the media.

00:01:01.480 In particular now, CBC claiming that insect protein, that eating bugs, is a conspiracy theory.

00:01:08.860 Here's the headline from an article this week,

00:01:11.240 how a London, Ontario cricket plant found itself at the heart of an international conspiracy theory.

00:01:17.860 And they talk about how this so-called conspiracy theory has been circulating for months.

00:01:21.680 It's been in English, it's been in Chinese, it's been around the world,

00:01:25.080 in the UK, in the US, and all of that.

00:01:27.360 And it involves a factory in my neck of the woods in London, Ontario.

00:01:31.540 Now, I am not in on the conspiracy.

00:01:33.420 I want to make that very clear.

00:01:35.100 But the point of it is that they're saying that people focusing on this facility,

00:01:40.660 this plant that's making crickets, for human consumption,

00:01:43.980 which was a tweet that was put out by the developers of this factory,

00:01:48.740 is a conspiracy theory.

00:01:50.900 Well, what's the conspiracy?

00:01:53.100 People saying, yes, we are going to be eating bugs in the future,

00:01:56.340 and a plant saying, yes, we're making bugs for people to eat.

00:01:59.620 Well, exactly.

00:02:00.860 What exactly does a conspiracy theory become a fact

00:02:04.540 when the people who are actually involved in the production of this farm

00:02:08.220 are admitting to talking about, for example, creating crickets for human consumption?

00:02:12.980 And then Ellis Don, the developers of this factory, Andrew, as you said,

00:02:16.600 they even admitted it themselves.

00:02:18.280 They said this is going to be the biggest cricket factory in the world.

00:02:21.300 This is going to be a, they're going to revolutionize the human diet, things like this. 0.88

00:02:25.100 I mean, it's just, it's ridiculous here.

00:02:27.120 And I find it bizarre, this weird sort of CBC cleanup act, almost,

00:02:32.220 trying to cover for this cricket farm,

00:02:35.720 when this cricket farm isn't really doing the job themselves.

00:02:39.160 They say they're trying to,

00:02:40.620 they say in the article that the cricket farm is now

00:02:43.220 not talking about human consumption because it's fueling conspiracy theories.

00:02:47.220 They're only talking about creating crickets for animal consumption.

00:02:50.380 But we all know, Andrew, that it's not really a conspiracy theory, is it?

00:02:54.320 That the idea of eating crickets,

00:02:57.080 the idea of eating bugs as a way to replace meat,

00:03:01.500 is not really a conspiracy theory.

00:03:03.420 The people that actually create these farms admit it themselves.

00:03:06.940 So it's very bizarre to me that when you've got Aspire,

00:03:10.440 the actual company who's making the, making the, this cricket farm on Twitter,

00:03:16.280 they talk about, they wrote a tweet that says things like this.

00:03:20.080 Throughout history, insects have been a part of our diets,

00:03:22.400 but how we raise them has evolved to scale.

00:03:24.480 We spoke with The Economist earlier this week and discussed our new facility.

00:03:28.100 So not really saying, Andrew, that these crickets are not for human consumption.

00:03:32.280 They're actually kind of leading into that.

00:03:33.760 And then they also wrote a tweet saying this.

00:03:35.280 Aspire pioneers precision insect farming at scale,

00:03:38.840 realizing the potential of nature through the power of tech

00:03:41.980 to enable innovative industries to create products and materialize

00:03:45.040 that prioritize the health and sustainability of our world.

00:03:48.080 If it's just for animals and not humans, Andrew, why don't they say it?

00:03:53.920 Yeah, I mean, the reality is when you talk to environmentalists,

00:03:57.800 the big thing they really harp on is that meat consumption

00:04:02.000 is terrible for the environment.

00:04:03.500 Cows, cattle, they take up a lot of space.

00:04:06.780 They have a lot of carbon emissions.

00:04:09.480 Bovine flatulence is the big issue that they all like to warn about in the United States.

00:04:13.740 So they basically say that, yes, all of us should be vegetarians

00:04:17.080 because it's better for the climate.

00:04:18.560 So it's not all that surprising when you see companies that are coming up

00:04:22.240 with alternatives to meat like crickets

00:04:24.380 because there is a growing appetite, no pun intended,

00:04:27.460 of people that are going vegetarian or going vegan even.

00:04:30.380 And I don't know how the vegans are on the crickets,

00:04:32.620 but I think some of the vegetarians are good with it.

00:04:34.780 But it's when you have people talk about this in like a central planning way,

00:04:38.860 like we need to start moving other people off of meat

00:04:42.240 as opposed to just letting people decide for themselves.

00:04:45.020 And this is where you talk about the World Economic Forum,

00:04:47.720 which promotes at great length the idea of cricket eating as the future

00:04:53.120 and a lot of environmentalist groups do.

00:04:55.060 But it's not a conspiracy theory when it's happening.

00:04:58.180 And it's like grade A gaslighting 101 to say,

00:05:02.140 no, no, no, this thing that you're looking at

00:05:03.940 and using their own words for is not happening at all.

00:05:06.900 You can't talk about that.

00:05:07.720 It's a conspiracy theory.

00:05:09.080 Yeah, exactly.

00:05:09.760 And again, there's so many examples of this.

00:05:12.140 And they've decided to go after this Aspire cricket facility,

00:05:15.980 this cricket factory, perhaps because it's the biggest in the world

00:05:18.400 and there's a lot of people talking about it.

00:05:21.040 But at the beginning of August, the Toronto Star wrote an article about this company

00:05:26.200 and about this new factory.

00:05:30.020 And then in the article, so from one month to the next,

00:05:32.860 Andrew, we've talked about this,

00:05:34.040 how conspiracy theories can go from being complete fact, absolute fact,

00:05:38.140 one month and the next month, they're a conspiracy theory or the other way around.

00:05:41.520 A conspiracy theory starts one month later, it becomes fact.

00:05:44.760 A month ago, these people at the Aspire cricket factory

00:05:48.460 we're talking about in the Toronto Star, this quote right here,

00:05:51.920 given the dire state of the world's food supply,

00:05:53.940 it's increasingly tempting to create a new alternative protein.

00:05:56.960 That's what the Star was talking about just a month ago.

00:05:58.960 So talk about gaslighting.

00:06:00.440 I mean, people must be reading this and thinking,

00:06:03.280 hold on a minute, did I just not read an article a month ago

00:06:05.620 saying that this is exactly for human consumption?

00:06:08.360 This is the kind of stuff that I think drives people nuts.

00:06:10.580 Yeah, so basically when they say it's a conspiracy theory

00:06:15.180 that folks are talking about this cricket factory in London,

00:06:18.920 they're basically focusing on one thing,

00:06:21.820 which is what are people saying and how does it differ from reality?

00:06:26.620 The only way I could think of if you were saying this was a conspiracy theory

00:06:30.940 is if you were arguing that this specific factory

00:06:34.500 was part of something that Trudeau was doing.

00:06:37.040 And I mean, it did get some government funding

00:06:38.720 or part of something Klaus Schwab was doing.

00:06:40.640 I mean, they do talk about why we're eating bugs and all that.

00:06:43.540 I don't think there's anything nefarious about the factory itself.

00:06:46.500 I think there's a market and they're going along with it

00:06:48.340 because clearly if you can make some money

00:06:49.820 off of people that are going to be eating bugs, then fine, do it.

00:06:52.860 But it's not at all something that I see,

00:06:55.900 even in the CBC article, where they can point to

00:06:57.960 where the conspiracy is

00:07:00.200 and what people believe that isn't actually correct.

00:07:03.420 And even there's this one professor they quote

00:07:06.080 who talked about how it's like,

00:07:07.960 oh, it's all part of the anti-government sentiment

00:07:10.280 and they're tapping into the same things we saw with the Freedom Convoy.

00:07:13.480 And then she says this is a cricket factory to make pet food

00:07:17.160 because that's where the evidence points to.

00:07:19.560 Yeah, but also human food.

00:07:21.180 So where's the fake news really coming from here?

00:07:23.200 The so-called experts or the so-called conspiracy theorists?

00:07:26.100 Exactly. I mean, evidence says,

00:07:28.460 this professor says the evidence is pointing to animal food,

00:07:32.460 but the people who actually run the facility

00:07:34.240 have been talking about human food the entire time. 0.99

00:07:36.420 Again, it's just a ridiculous story. 0.95

00:07:39.100 And one of those things that, again, 0.97

00:07:40.220 I think we've talked about this before too,

00:07:42.000 where a lot of these legacy media outlets

00:07:43.980 will play with their headlines,

00:07:45.160 knowing very well that the majority of people

00:07:47.420 that come across the headlines will read the headline,

00:07:50.140 maybe get to the first paragraph,

00:07:51.760 and then those that get to the first paragraph,

00:07:53.960 only a small portion of them will ever get to the end of the article.

00:07:56.700 So they can run with this fact,

00:07:58.480 they can run with this idea that this is just a conspiracy theory

00:08:00.960 and people will take it as fact without actually reading it.

00:08:03.520 And then, you know,

00:08:04.480 then they'll start questioning everything they see.

00:08:06.220 It's a very bizarre trend we're seeing.

00:08:08.700 The legacy media are trying to define conspiracy theories,

00:08:11.900 clean up conspiracy theories,

00:08:13.700 and take facts,

00:08:15.420 take things that maybe don't look so great,

00:08:17.580 and turn them into conspiracy theories to cover for these companies.

00:08:20.520 I don't know, maybe that's a reach,

00:08:21.760 but it's very bizarre.

00:08:24.180 Speaking of bizarre,

00:08:25.560 why don't you talk about what's happening in Alberta?

00:08:28.120 Well, so I read this article,

00:08:29.480 I saw a post on social media,

00:08:31.080 this is earlier in the week,

00:08:32.080 I think at the beginning of the week,

00:08:33.620 and it was Jason Kenney standing with Mark Mielke,

00:08:36.380 who's a part of the Winston Churchill Foundation, I believe,

00:08:39.360 and they had just announced the creation,

00:08:42.080 privately funded creation of a new Winston Churchill monument.

00:08:45.660 And when I saw that,

00:08:46.360 it was a really nice thing to see.

00:08:48.620 That's the kind of thing that I love to see.

00:08:50.360 People in this era, Andrew,

00:08:52.920 trying to defend history,

00:08:54.920 trying to build monuments to real heroes.

00:08:58.320 And Winston Churchill is certainly one of those.

00:09:00.340 But what a surprise.

00:09:01.400 So along comes a new Winston Churchill statue.

00:09:04.620 And just like that,

00:09:06.260 as we all could have predicted,

00:09:07.780 the legacy media,

00:09:09.400 CBC in particular,

00:09:10.360 they come along trying to bash the concept.

00:09:14.420 And the usual procession

00:09:16.160 of people trying to rewrite history,

00:09:19.240 talking about how Winston Churchill

00:09:20.960 is not deserving of monuments,

00:09:22.760 he's not deserving of new statues.

00:09:24.180 And in this CBC article,

00:09:25.560 they talk about how basically

00:09:27.380 this is Jason Kenney's way of declaring

00:09:30.400 what we must celebrate

00:09:31.320 and what warts be damned, I guess.

00:09:34.660 I don't really understand this.

00:09:36.560 So we're building a monument to Winston Churchill.

00:09:39.040 But it's a terrible idea

00:09:40.880 because Winston Churchill,

00:09:42.780 in this article, as they say,

00:09:44.240 was, they said,

00:09:46.100 no question, 1.00

00:09:47.100 he was a racist and a white supremacist. 1.00

00:09:49.400 They just put that out in the article 0.99

00:09:50.960 from a University of Calgary historian.

00:09:54.420 And then the article goes on to say,

00:09:56.000 and this part really got under my skin, Andrew,

00:09:57.480 the article then goes on to say that

00:09:59.160 why would we need a new monument

00:10:01.000 of Winston Churchill

00:10:01.760 when there are schools

00:10:03.180 named after Winston Churchill,

00:10:04.580 there are roads

00:10:05.700 named after Winston Churchill.

00:10:06.860 Surely that's enough.

00:10:08.320 That's enough for a man 0.99

00:10:09.440 like Winston Churchill.

00:10:10.540 And that caught me thinking,

00:10:11.560 we're seeing schools be renamed.

00:10:14.160 We're seeing roads be renamed.

00:10:16.260 So clearly roads and schools

00:10:18.840 are not enough to celebrate

00:10:20.300 these great heroes

00:10:21.100 that deserve far more recognition

00:10:22.520 than they're getting now.

00:10:24.100 It's just another classic CBC attempt,

00:10:26.460 in my opinion,

00:10:26.940 to bash the history of our country

00:10:30.020 and kind of play along

00:10:31.940 with this group of people

00:10:33.120 that are trying to vandalize,

00:10:35.200 tear down,

00:10:35.920 and essentially,

00:10:36.980 by doing so,

00:10:37.620 rewriting our history.

00:10:39.500 Yeah, I mean,

00:10:40.500 this has always bothered me

00:10:42.100 in general with historic figures,

00:10:43.860 but with Winston Churchill,

00:10:45.120 this was the original,

00:10:46.520 like the OG anti-fascist.

00:10:48.520 Like, this was the guy,

00:10:50.120 the left says they're anti-fascist,

00:10:52.280 this is the guy

00:10:53.140 who defeated Hitler

00:10:54.260 for crying out loud.

00:10:55.340 Like, you don't get more Antifa

00:10:57.320 than Winston Churchill

00:10:58.420 if you use, like,

00:10:59.320 the literal meaning of Antifa.

00:11:01.800 So the reality that they go around

00:11:04.260 and their preferred slur on people

00:11:06.120 is calling everyone a Nazi,

00:11:08.000 calling everyone a fascist, 0.94

00:11:09.220 calling everyone a white supremacist. 0.93

00:11:10.420 And then you take the guy

00:11:12.520 that liberated the world

00:11:14.020 in large part from fascism

00:11:15.800 and we say,

00:11:16.740 oh, well, you know what?

00:11:17.660 He might not have been big

00:11:19.980 on the transgender bathrooms. 0.62

00:11:22.000 Or, well, you know, 0.68

00:11:23.820 he might have made this joke

00:11:25.140 or that line or that quip.

00:11:26.660 One of the things,

00:11:27.380 so for starters,

00:11:28.220 he's British.

00:11:29.780 And I'm not making fun.

00:11:30.920 My whole family is British.

00:11:32.880 Brits talk differently 0.95

00:11:34.060 than non-Brits do. 0.84

00:11:35.440 So anytime you look at, like,

00:11:37.320 Winston Churchill's quotables

00:11:38.520 or same as Prince Philip's,

00:11:40.640 you have to accept that

00:11:42.200 and have a margin of British

00:11:43.980 around what the acceptable levels

00:11:46.060 of discourse are.

00:11:47.060 But more importantly,

00:11:48.040 we have to stop measuring people

00:11:49.480 against this yardstick of 2022.

00:11:51.620 And I think what Jason Kenney

00:11:53.040 is promoting here,

00:11:53.960 building a statue,

00:11:54.800 is fantastic.

00:11:55.960 I was just in Austria and Hungary

00:11:58.620 on vacation a few weeks back.

00:12:00.760 And when you walk around,

00:12:02.040 especially in Hungary,

00:12:03.020 you look and the statues

00:12:04.440 littering, littering

00:12:06.700 the entire downtown

00:12:07.720 of Budapest, for example.

00:12:09.380 And you look at it and you say,

00:12:10.700 I bet I could Google

00:12:11.520 all of these people

00:12:12.380 and find something

00:12:13.120 to cancel them over.

00:12:14.440 But you don't

00:12:15.200 because you accept

00:12:16.080 that they're a part

00:12:16.680 of a country's story.

00:12:17.740 They're a part of the world's story.

00:12:19.480 And I think we should

00:12:20.620 start a campaign

00:12:21.420 for every statue

00:12:23.020 that is taken down,

00:12:24.460 we build two of them.

00:12:26.000 For every statue

00:12:26.860 that's taken down,

00:12:27.440 we build two.

00:12:27.920 We build the Winston Churchill statue.

00:12:29.580 If they take that one,

00:12:30.460 we build another one

00:12:31.400 to Winston Churchill.

00:12:32.360 And then we pick

00:12:33.020 a bonus figure as well

00:12:34.120 and do that.

00:12:34.980 No, exactly.

00:12:35.700 That's the kind of thing

00:12:36.500 I love to see.

00:12:37.300 Or even, Andrew,

00:12:38.300 if a statue comes down,

00:12:39.700 you rebuild it in its place,

00:12:40.840 but it gets a little bit taller

00:12:41.840 every single time

00:12:42.760 it comes down.

00:12:43.540 So it becomes more...

00:12:45.760 So eventually Queen Victoria

00:12:47.540 is like 87 feet tall.

00:12:49.120 It's like, oh wow.

00:12:50.780 Step aside, CN Tower.

00:12:52.580 Queen Victoria is now

00:12:53.560 the tallest freestanding

00:12:54.760 structure in the world.

00:12:56.320 Wouldn't that be hilarious?

00:12:57.760 But here's my problem too.

00:13:00.200 This is the kind of thing

00:13:01.000 that when I saw this,

00:13:02.160 I'm not the biggest

00:13:04.180 Jason Kenney fan,

00:13:05.380 but when I saw this,

00:13:06.460 I thought this is

00:13:06.980 a fantastic initiative

00:13:09.360 from a conservative premier

00:13:11.620 in this country.

00:13:12.680 It's obvious.

00:13:13.800 As I said before,

00:13:15.340 roads and schools

00:13:16.820 are not enough.

00:13:17.980 There are Queen Victoria

00:13:18.940 public schools

00:13:19.760 coming down

00:13:20.680 and being renamed

00:13:21.580 all across the country.

00:13:23.300 And we know,

00:13:23.780 for example,

00:13:24.180 in Toronto,

00:13:25.360 the city is spending

00:13:26.240 millions of dollars

00:13:27.100 trying to rename Dundas

00:13:28.320 because of how traumatizing

00:13:30.420 the street name is

00:13:31.160 for people.

00:13:31.720 It's clearly,

00:13:33.120 there is clearly

00:13:33.900 an attempt

00:13:34.380 from a part of society

00:13:36.740 to erase

00:13:38.120 or try and rewrite

00:13:39.220 the history

00:13:39.760 or try and

00:13:41.280 cast a shade

00:13:42.880 over our history

00:13:43.640 so that we feel

00:13:44.580 bad about it.

00:13:45.420 And right now,

00:13:46.600 in Queen's Park,

00:13:48.120 the statue of

00:13:48.900 John A. MacDonald

00:13:49.620 is currently boarded up.

00:13:51.140 I think it's been boarded up

00:13:51.920 for over two years.

00:13:53.000 And there's a conservative

00:13:53.720 government in charge

00:13:54.840 at Queen's Park.

00:13:55.480 That statue

00:13:56.760 is still boarded up.

00:13:58.140 So while we have

00:13:58.960 a conservative government

00:14:00.320 in Alberta

00:14:00.820 building new statues

00:14:02.440 using private funds too,

00:14:03.980 it's a completely

00:14:04.440 different thing

00:14:05.140 when the state

00:14:06.720 funds a statue

00:14:07.720 or when a group

00:14:08.940 like the Churchill Foundation,

00:14:10.340 I think that's

00:14:10.660 what they're called,

00:14:11.480 when they privately

00:14:12.320 crowdsource

00:14:13.360 the funds

00:14:13.920 to build a statue.

00:14:15.580 Right now,

00:14:16.300 the statue

00:14:16.760 of our first

00:14:18.500 prime minister,

00:14:19.180 the man who basically

00:14:19.980 created this country,

00:14:21.960 is boarded up

00:14:22.680 at Queen's Park

00:14:23.360 because we don't want

00:14:23.900 to offend people.

00:14:24.660 We don't want to

00:14:25.300 make people upset

00:14:26.880 about John A. MacDonald's

00:14:28.200 controversial views.

00:14:29.180 It's crazy to me

00:14:30.560 that we have the CBC

00:14:31.700 telling us that

00:14:32.620 actually, no,

00:14:33.200 these monuments,

00:14:34.380 they don't deserve

00:14:34.960 a place in our country.

00:14:36.180 We don't need

00:14:36.520 to build new ones.

00:14:37.940 It's just ridiculous to me.

00:14:39.340 And when I saw this, 0.93

00:14:40.580 I thought,

00:14:40.900 now that's a policy

00:14:41.700 I can get behind.

00:14:42.420 That's good to see.

00:14:44.000 Yeah, I didn't realize

00:14:45.160 the John A. MacDonald

00:14:46.040 statue is still boarded up.

00:14:47.320 Still boarded up, Andrew.

00:14:47.440 I generally try to avoid

00:14:48.360 downtown Toronto.

00:14:49.720 So that's actually

00:14:50.400 quite disappointing.

00:14:51.740 It's incredible.

00:14:52.440 It's this giant wooden box

00:14:54.680 at the top of

00:14:55.340 University Avenue.

00:14:56.420 Like, it's got,

00:14:57.000 it's a terrible eyesore.

00:14:59.200 And it's bizarre to me, too,

00:15:00.660 because behind it,

00:15:02.080 and I don't even know

00:15:02.600 if I want to say this publicly

00:15:03.760 because maybe there are

00:15:04.700 Antifa crazy people

00:15:06.180 that are going to do

00:15:06.760 something about it,

00:15:07.220 but behind it,

00:15:08.240 there's a Queen Victoria statue,

00:15:09.400 a beautiful Queen Victoria statue,

00:15:11.120 right up against

00:15:11.840 the Queen's Park grounds.

00:15:12.740 It hasn't been touched,

00:15:13.580 thank God.

00:15:13.980 It hasn't been vandalized.

00:15:15.580 But it's just,

00:15:16.900 it's crazy to me

00:15:17.680 that we allow a symbol

00:15:19.140 like John A. MacDonald

00:15:20.040 to be boarded up

00:15:20.960 for over almost two years

00:15:22.800 in the middle of Toronto.

00:15:24.360 It's,

00:15:24.580 it's a,

00:15:25.120 it's a terrible,

00:15:26.280 terrible thing that's happening.

00:15:27.400 So kudos to the people

00:15:29.160 that crowdfunded this

00:15:30.200 Winston Churchill statue.

00:15:32.000 I'd just like to see

00:15:32.920 more of them.

00:15:33.500 Wouldn't it be great

00:15:34.020 to have McDonald statues,

00:15:36.200 Churchill statues,

00:15:36.840 once again,

00:15:37.780 roaming the country?

00:15:38.540 It would be just fantastic.

00:15:40.240 I think one way around it

00:15:42.020 is that we have to accept

00:15:44.040 that most of these people

00:15:44.980 that take down statues 1.00

00:15:46.020 are complete idiots. 1.00

00:15:47.080 They don't know 1.00

00:15:47.680 or care about history.

00:15:48.940 They don't know

00:15:49.600 who Egerton Ryerson is.

00:15:50.880 They just are told

00:15:51.520 they have to hate him.

00:15:52.280 They don't know

00:15:52.600 who John A. MacDonald is.

00:15:53.940 So I think we just take

00:15:55.000 the name cards

00:15:55.820 off of the statues

00:15:56.820 and they won't know

00:15:57.600 who it is.

00:15:58.740 Exactly.

00:15:59.480 Those that are smart enough

00:16:00.880 to at least do their research

00:16:02.180 can think about,

00:16:03.220 oh, that's a nice statue.

00:16:04.360 And then everyone else

00:16:05.020 can just go about their day

00:16:06.020 like they always used to be.

00:16:07.080 Yeah.

00:16:07.600 And in a cashless society,

00:16:08.780 it's not even like

00:16:09.460 they can like check

00:16:10.180 against the currency

00:16:11.320 and be like,

00:16:11.780 oh, that looks like

00:16:13.060 McDonald's there.

00:16:14.060 And in any case,

00:16:16.120 we had last week

00:16:17.580 the media in a bit

00:16:19.240 of a flurry

00:16:20.000 over this verbal attack

00:16:22.580 on Chrystia Freeland

00:16:23.560 in Calgary.

00:16:24.780 You've seen the video now.

00:16:25.780 We don't need to play that.

00:16:26.980 My position on this

00:16:28.020 is that it's wrong

00:16:28.980 to harass people

00:16:30.300 in that way.

00:16:30.980 And it's not

00:16:31.380 particularly productive either

00:16:32.720 because you end up 1.00

00:16:33.580 looking like the jerk 1.00

00:16:34.900 and not them. 0.99

00:16:35.900 But anything that puts

00:16:37.360 someone in a position

00:16:38.380 where they're feeling

00:16:39.080 threatened is not good.

00:16:40.260 And that's true

00:16:40.680 whether you're going

00:16:41.200 after a liberal politician,

00:16:43.100 a conservative politician,

00:16:44.260 or whether you're going

00:16:44.960 after your neighborhood mechanic.

00:16:46.600 It doesn't matter.

00:16:47.800 But you have to look

00:16:49.060 at the double standards

00:16:49.960 that come out

00:16:50.840 from government

00:16:51.480 condemnations here.

00:16:52.700 And I'm not saying,

00:16:54.180 but what about?

00:16:54.840 I'm just pointing out

00:16:55.960 the hypocrisy here.

00:16:57.360 Justin Trudeau condemned

00:16:58.500 what he called

00:16:59.300 hate-filled rants

00:17:00.660 and violent words.

00:17:02.180 Take a look.

00:17:02.620 There's a huge reflection.

00:17:04.320 We have to have

00:17:04.840 both the kind

00:17:05.580 of country

00:17:06.300 we want to be

00:17:07.220 and to understand

00:17:08.980 that the tone

00:17:10.920 of our democracy,

00:17:12.460 the tone

00:17:12.860 of our political debates

00:17:13.780 is set

00:17:14.880 by those politicians

00:17:18.340 who get sent to Ottawa

00:17:19.700 to represent

00:17:20.460 their communities.

00:17:23.080 And if there isn't

00:17:24.480 clear condemnation

00:17:27.080 of the kind

00:17:28.240 of cowardly bullying

00:17:29.220 we've seen,

00:17:29.920 of the kind

00:17:31.200 of hate-filled rants

00:17:33.940 and violent words

00:17:36.840 used against people

00:17:37.960 to say this has

00:17:39.880 no place

00:17:40.460 in our democracy,

00:17:41.280 we can disagree

00:17:42.440 and we need

00:17:43.060 to disagree

00:17:43.660 with each other

00:17:44.420 on policies,

00:17:45.900 on perspectives.

00:17:46.880 That's a robust debate

00:17:48.380 that has to happen

00:17:49.240 amongst Canadians

00:17:49.960 to make sure

00:17:50.520 we're getting it right

00:17:51.380 as a collective,

00:17:52.280 as a country.

00:17:53.840 But to limit

00:17:54.980 the ability

00:17:57.760 of women,

00:18:00.840 of racialized Canadians

00:18:02.080 to serve

00:18:02.960 in government

00:18:03.900 or to hold government

00:18:05.940 to account

00:18:06.560 as journalists

00:18:07.560 which is the goal

00:18:08.900 of a number

00:18:11.400 of Canadians

00:18:12.440 with very loud voices,

00:18:15.060 well that's something

00:18:16.460 all parliamentarians

00:18:19.200 and all leaders

00:18:20.120 need to stand against,

00:18:22.900 need to be unequivocal

00:18:24.340 in being responsible leaders

00:18:27.360 to say no,

00:18:30.360 we are not going

00:18:31.820 to become

00:18:32.360 that toxic,

00:18:34.000 polarized country

00:18:35.180 that some think

00:18:36.000 we should become.

00:18:38.140 So,

00:18:38.880 this is never

00:18:39.920 a prime minister

00:18:40.780 that would stoop

00:18:41.500 to hateful words

00:18:42.800 or violent rhetoric,

00:18:44.360 right Harrison?

00:18:45.060 Certainly not,

00:18:45.920 no,

00:18:46.140 I mean,

00:18:46.400 what we know

00:18:46.900 from Trudeau

00:18:47.500 is he's the beacon

00:18:49.340 of civility,

00:18:50.220 Andrew,

00:18:50.580 he's a uniter

00:18:52.380 of this country,

00:18:53.580 someone who's presided

00:18:55.040 over a country

00:18:55.640 that's never been

00:18:56.100 more united

00:18:56.600 under his leadership.

00:18:57.980 I mean,

00:18:58.160 it's just absolutely 0.97

00:18:59.020 ridiculous and again, 0.97

00:19:00.440 not to say, 0.99

00:19:01.300 again,

00:19:01.580 we don't want to do

00:19:02.520 the whole whataboutism

00:19:03.380 but without it,

00:19:04.580 we're just not allowed

00:19:05.200 to call out

00:19:05.800 the selective outrage

00:19:06.760 that we get

00:19:07.180 from these liberal leaders.

00:19:08.800 I mean,

00:19:09.120 of course you have to

00:19:09.880 look at both sides

00:19:11.260 of this and say,

00:19:11.860 well,

00:19:12.240 where were you guys

00:19:13.300 when your prime minister,

00:19:14.980 your leader,

00:19:15.680 was telling

00:19:16.180 unvaccinated Canadians

00:19:17.240 that something

00:19:19.280 needs to be done

00:19:19.860 about them.

00:19:20.560 I mean,

00:19:20.840 we've seen the footage,

00:19:21.820 we've seen the videos

00:19:22.660 saying that the people

00:19:24.840 that were protesting

00:19:26.000 in Ottawa

00:19:26.380 are a small fringe minority

00:19:27.680 with unacceptable views.

00:19:29.100 Talk about uniting.

00:19:31.080 The small fringe minority

00:19:34.600 of people

00:19:36.440 who are on their way

00:19:37.820 to Ottawa

00:19:38.320 or who are holding

00:19:40.400 unacceptable views

00:19:42.620 that they're expressing

00:19:44.040 do not represent

00:19:47.360 do not represent

00:19:47.380 the views of Canadians

00:19:49.240 who have been there

00:19:50.620 for each other,

00:19:51.840 who know

00:19:52.380 that following the science

00:19:54.540 and stepping up

00:19:56.460 to protect each other

00:19:57.560 is the best way

00:19:59.220 to continue

00:19:59.800 to ensure

00:20:00.480 our freedoms,

00:20:01.560 our rights,

00:20:02.300 our values as a country.

00:20:03.580 Ah, yes,

00:20:04.660 it seems like

00:20:05.380 just yesterday

00:20:06.340 that his political enemies

00:20:08.200 were an unacceptable

00:20:09.780 fringe minority.

00:20:11.100 And then there was

00:20:11.720 this clip

00:20:12.180 from the election

00:20:13.460 last year

00:20:14.060 where he was literally

00:20:14.800 campaigning

00:20:15.660 on this sort

00:20:17.060 of divisive rhetoric.

00:20:18.380 Oui, on va s'en sortir

00:20:20.020 de cette pandémie

00:20:20.640 par la vaccination.

00:20:21.960 Puis on en connaît tous,

00:20:23.800 des gens qui sont

00:20:24.560 en train d'hésiter un petit peu.

00:20:26.380 On va continuer

00:20:26.980 d'essayer de les convaincre.

00:20:28.260 Mais il y a aussi des gens

00:20:29.080 qui sont farouchement

00:20:30.120 opposés à la vaccination.

00:20:31.780 Qui sont extrémistes.

00:20:32.780 Qui croient pas

00:20:33.300 dans la science,

00:20:34.120 qui sont souvent misogynes,

00:20:35.860 souvent racistes aussi.

00:20:37.400 C'est un petit groupe,

00:20:40.520 mais qui prend de la place.

00:20:42.360 Et là, il faut faire un choix

00:20:43.760 en tant que leader,

00:20:44.760 en tant que pays.

00:20:45.360 Est-ce qu'on tolère

00:20:47.880 ces gens-là? 0.78

00:20:48.540 Ou est-ce qu'on dit,

00:20:49.020 ben, voyons,

00:20:50.160 la plupart des gens,

00:20:51.260 presque 80% des Québécois,

00:20:52.920 ont fait ce qu'il fallait faire.

00:20:54.100 Se sont fait vacciner.

00:20:55.260 On veut revenir

00:20:56.080 aux choses qu'on aime faire.

00:20:58.520 C'est pas ces gens-là

00:20:59.660 qui vont nous bloquer.

00:21:00.620 It's in French,

00:21:01.420 but he's saying

00:21:01.980 that unvaccinated people

00:21:03.460 are generally racist, 0.97

00:21:04.880 misogynist, extremist. 0.98

00:21:06.400 So, where is the 0.89

00:21:08.040 pearl-clutchy condemnation

00:21:09.680 of that

00:21:10.460 when you have a prime minister

00:21:11.820 who's deliberately

00:21:12.580 trying to inflame people?

00:21:13.960 And again,

00:21:14.380 not at all

00:21:15.860 for a second

00:21:16.620 am I justifying

00:21:18.040 people that lash out

00:21:19.640 and respond,

00:21:20.520 but it's that

00:21:20.960 I don't believe

00:21:22.040 they are actually

00:21:23.120 as interested in civility

00:21:24.560 and de-escalation

00:21:25.720 as they're pretending

00:21:26.980 when someone goes

00:21:27.840 after one of theirs.

00:21:28.900 That's all.

00:21:29.500 No, of course not, Andrew.

00:21:30.660 They're not interested in that.

00:21:32.540 They will use division

00:21:34.820 when it matters for them,

00:21:36.260 and then they will bring out

00:21:37.120 the unity card

00:21:37.980 when they have

00:21:38.860 this great opportunity

00:21:39.660 to talk about

00:21:40.400 why this is wrong

00:21:41.540 and when Canadians

00:21:43.280 shouldn't do it.

00:21:44.240 But what Justin Trudeau

00:21:45.200 said in that French clip,

00:21:46.480 I think,

00:21:46.980 and I thought about this

00:21:47.840 before we did the recording,

00:21:50.080 after watching that clip again,

00:21:51.660 that is probably going to be

00:21:52.640 one of the most disgraceful things

00:21:54.120 I think the prime minister

00:21:55.040 has maybe ever said

00:21:56.540 as leader of our country.

00:21:57.640 It's so unbelievably divisive.

00:22:00.280 You've seen that clip,

00:22:01.660 I'm sure,

00:22:02.020 many different places.

00:22:03.260 People use that

00:22:04.120 as a way to talk about

00:22:05.860 who our leader is

00:22:06.960 in our country

00:22:07.380 because of just how

00:22:08.120 insane it is

00:22:09.820 to say those words,

00:22:11.320 to say the things

00:22:12.140 that unvaccinated Canadians 0.98

00:22:13.640 are racist, 0.99

00:22:15.520 are misogynistic. 0.99

00:22:17.340 It's just unbelievable.

00:22:19.360 It's frankly

00:22:20.220 the lowest of the low

00:22:22.120 when it comes to dividing.

00:22:23.880 And again,

00:22:24.560 like we said,

00:22:25.520 not to try and make excuses

00:22:27.400 for bad behavior.

00:22:28.640 We can all condemn bad behavior.

00:22:30.720 But if you tell Canadians,

00:22:32.920 if you're a leader of a country

00:22:34.020 and you tell Canadians

00:22:34.740 that make their own medical choice

00:22:36.180 that they are

00:22:36.940 some of the worst things, 0.99

00:22:39.260 racist, misogynist, 0.97

00:22:40.620 for making their own medical decision, 0.98

00:22:42.620 there is going to be backlash.

00:22:44.220 There is going to be

00:22:45.140 a group of people

00:22:45.640 that are going to,

00:22:47.320 I think,

00:22:48.760 take things too far.

00:22:51.420 And that shouldn't take

00:22:52.940 a rocket scientist

00:22:53.920 to know that

00:22:54.420 that's going to happen

00:22:55.440 if you say those words.

00:22:56.480 And so,

00:22:57.240 I mean,

00:22:57.660 it's sad to see.

00:22:59.640 I think we can all agree

00:23:00.340 that it's sad to see

00:23:01.120 this sort of descent

00:23:02.860 into this lack of civility

00:23:04.720 we're all experiencing.

00:23:06.180 But it's not like

00:23:06.820 it's come out of nowhere.

00:23:08.160 No.

00:23:08.700 And I guess that's the point

00:23:10.120 is that if we want to have

00:23:11.580 a real discussion

00:23:12.540 about civility

00:23:14.280 and de-escalation,

00:23:15.320 you can't talk about

00:23:16.780 and treat your political enemies

00:23:18.340 the way the liberals are.

00:23:20.080 And I would also say

00:23:20.940 the way the media is

00:23:21.880 with a few notable exceptions.

00:23:23.760 So,

00:23:24.200 very well said.

00:23:25.440 But again,

00:23:25.860 I mean,

00:23:26.060 we've talked about

00:23:26.860 a lot of lighter stuff

00:23:28.060 on this show.

00:23:28.820 I think we need to get

00:23:29.660 to some more serious topics here

00:23:31.260 so that people don't feel

00:23:32.220 they were shortchanged.

00:23:33.500 And truly,

00:23:35.140 I mean,

00:23:36.040 I'm even a bit nervous

00:23:37.340 because there's a fair bit

00:23:38.120 of controversy in this.

00:23:39.280 But how do you make

00:23:40.780 a Nanaimo bar?

00:23:43.120 This has been

00:23:43.840 a legitimate question

00:23:45.080 that has entered

00:23:45.900 the political discourse

00:23:46.700 this week.

00:23:47.140 Like I said,

00:23:47.940 very controversial.

00:23:48.900 Pierre Polyev shared

00:23:50.380 this exchange

00:23:51.400 with a woman he met

00:23:52.200 in Nanaimo,

00:23:52.920 B.C.

00:23:53.280 Ladies and gentlemen,

00:23:54.560 I'm in Nanaimo

00:23:55.280 with Katrina

00:23:55.960 and guess what

00:23:56.940 she made for me? 1.00

00:23:58.060 You guessed it,

00:23:59.020 Nanaimo bars.

00:24:00.440 The best Nanaimo bars.

00:24:01.700 You left out the keywords.

00:24:02.540 It turns out

00:24:03.740 that she makes

00:24:04.380 the best Nanaimo bars

00:24:05.600 not in Nanaimo

00:24:06.560 but in the entire world.

00:24:08.620 What's the secret?

00:24:09.760 Love.

00:24:10.540 Love.

00:24:11.000 That's the secret ingredient.

00:24:12.300 Don't tell anybody that.

00:24:13.420 That's the patented ingredient.

00:24:15.180 If you share that,

00:24:16.800 you'll be hearing

00:24:17.360 from her lawyer.

00:24:18.560 But why aren't you making

00:24:20.000 as many Nanaimo bars anymore?

00:24:22.000 Well,

00:24:22.700 during COVID January of 2021,

00:24:25.540 I opened up

00:24:26.120 a small road stand,

00:24:26.900 bake stand

00:24:27.300 because I needed money

00:24:28.720 to pay my kids

00:24:29.620 school fees

00:24:30.220 and support fees.

00:24:30.960 Right.

00:24:31.160 And I found that

00:24:32.180 in times of COVID,

00:24:33.380 a lot of people,

00:24:34.260 mainly seniors,

00:24:35.180 were coming by

00:24:35.820 just for a friendly face.

00:24:36.940 We all masked up.

00:24:37.900 We all practiced

00:24:38.640 all the social distancing

00:24:39.600 but it meant a lot to them

00:24:41.220 to come in on Saturday

00:24:42.120 and talk with somebody.

00:24:43.300 Right.

00:24:44.020 Unfortunately,

00:24:44.680 I had a real setback

00:24:46.840 in February this year.

00:24:47.920 Right.

00:24:48.380 So I temporarily

00:24:49.180 shut down my bake stand

00:24:50.220 and now that I wanted

00:24:51.920 to reopen it

00:24:52.740 six months later,

00:24:53.880 the price of flour

00:24:54.680 has doubled,

00:24:55.480 sugar, butter,

00:24:56.660 and it's cost prohibitive

00:24:57.900 for me to reopen it.

00:24:58.740 Wow.

00:24:59.060 So the price of flour

00:25:00.840 sugar,

00:25:02.220 butter,

00:25:02.980 other ingredients

00:25:04.080 and eggs

00:25:04.720 in addition to love

00:25:05.960 that go into these

00:25:06.700 Nanaimo bars

00:25:07.300 too expensive.

00:25:08.920 Just too expensive.

00:25:12.120 Just inflation.

00:25:13.400 That's why we're going

00:25:14.060 to stop creating cash.

00:25:15.720 We're going to start

00:25:16.260 creating more

00:25:16.800 of what cash buys.

00:25:17.800 Get rid of the

00:25:18.260 inflationary taxes

00:25:19.480 so that we can have

00:25:20.440 more of these

00:25:21.560 love-infused

00:25:23.020 Nanaimo bars.

00:25:24.160 Because you want more,

00:25:24.760 trust me.

00:25:25.000 I will.

00:25:25.520 I can resist everything

00:25:26.720 except temptation.

00:25:28.140 Thank you.

00:25:28.540 The woman said

00:25:29.420 that the cost of goods

00:25:30.540 is going up

00:25:31.640 including the cost

00:25:32.960 of flour.

00:25:34.820 And a lot of people

00:25:35.500 would say,

00:25:35.840 wow, yeah, I understand.

00:25:36.800 Inflation's a bit

00:25:37.360 of a big deal there.

00:25:38.540 But no,

00:25:39.780 Jean Charest's campaign

00:25:41.280 co-chair,

00:25:41.880 Tasha Carradine,

00:25:42.800 who is a lovely woman.

00:25:43.860 I've worked with her

00:25:44.660 on projects.

00:25:45.360 We used to work

00:25:45.780 for the same company.

00:25:46.880 I don't quite buy

00:25:48.380 where she's going

00:25:49.040 with this one.

00:25:49.760 She points out

00:25:50.720 the real fact check here.

00:25:51.820 There's no flour

00:25:52.800 in Nanaimo bars.

00:25:54.640 Well,

00:25:55.260 believe it or not,

00:25:56.080 this is now something

00:25:57.000 we have to fact check.

00:25:58.240 Harrison,

00:25:58.540 what did you figure out?

00:25:59.880 Well,

00:26:00.360 so,

00:26:01.200 from what I saw,

00:26:03.280 it turns out

00:26:04.060 that to make 0.51

00:26:05.140 an Nanaimo bar,

00:26:05.760 you need graham crackers.

00:26:07.580 And it looks as though

00:26:08.820 in graham crackers,

00:26:10.800 there's flour.

00:26:11.800 So that would lead me

00:26:12.820 to think,

00:26:13.300 Andrew,

00:26:13.800 I'm not a baking expert.

00:26:15.440 I'm not a cooking expert

00:26:16.220 by any means.

00:26:17.680 But it would lead me

00:26:18.760 to believe

00:26:19.340 that that would mean

00:26:20.520 flour is in Nanaimo bars.

00:26:22.580 And I mean,

00:26:23.000 when you make such a

00:26:24.020 big statement

00:26:24.920 like Polyev did,

00:26:26.400 a real shot

00:26:26.960 across the bow,

00:26:28.280 and then the

00:26:29.920 John Charest campaign

00:26:30.820 comes in right behind it,

00:26:32.300 coming after them

00:26:32.900 for the flour statement,

00:26:34.200 clearly we needed

00:26:35.040 to figure this out.

00:26:36.320 And it turns out,

00:26:37.240 it looks as though,

00:26:38.520 not making any

00:26:39.480 serious statements,

00:26:40.980 not to get in the way

00:26:42.000 of this very serious

00:26:42.720 political dialogue,

00:26:43.460 but it looks as though

00:26:44.200 flour is involved

00:26:45.760 in Nanaimo bars.

00:26:47.140 Yeah,

00:26:47.320 if she is making

00:26:48.140 the graham crackers

00:26:49.020 from scratch,

00:26:50.400 there is flour in them.

00:26:51.580 I mean,

00:26:52.440 it's an amusing story

00:26:54.620 in some respects,

00:26:55.780 but it's also proof

00:26:56.640 of the danger

00:26:58.040 of political discourse

00:26:59.080 right now,

00:26:59.620 that if you are

00:27:00.180 against someone,

00:27:01.900 you will just

00:27:02.980 not even quite

00:27:04.000 think about

00:27:04.940 where you're going

00:27:06.160 with your attacks

00:27:06.940 on them

00:27:07.380 and the implications

00:27:08.160 of that.

00:27:08.940 Because when I saw

00:27:09.800 this video,

00:27:10.660 I thought the woman 0.96

00:27:11.520 was talking about

00:27:12.300 in general.

00:27:12.960 She runs a bake shop,

00:27:13.900 presumably she bakes

00:27:14.700 things other than

00:27:15.660 Nanaimo bars,

00:27:16.800 and they would involve

00:27:17.700 having to buy flour.

00:27:18.700 So I didn't even

00:27:19.140 necessarily know

00:27:19.920 it was just an example

00:27:20.980 of Nanaimo bars

00:27:22.600 and flour,

00:27:23.220 but that's what

00:27:24.120 people focus in on.

00:27:25.500 Well, no, exactly.

00:27:26.320 And you can imagine

00:27:27.440 the Sheree campaign

00:27:29.680 or Tasha Kiriden

00:27:31.060 sitting there going,

00:27:32.140 oh, we got them.

00:27:33.080 We got them on this.

00:27:34.040 There's no flour

00:27:34.740 in Nanaimo bars.

00:27:35.460 It's just a bizarre

00:27:36.780 sort of thing.

00:27:37.040 She's a plant.

00:27:37.780 She's a plant.

00:27:39.800 This is going to be

00:27:40.640 a great comeback.

00:27:42.940 We're going to get them 0.98

00:27:43.440 on the Nanaimo bar recipe.

00:27:45.240 Instead of talking about,

00:27:46.560 I don't know,

00:27:47.040 something actually

00:27:48.240 that matters to the campaign,

00:27:49.620 I've been seeing

00:27:50.880 a lot of people saying

00:27:51.760 after this whole

00:27:52.900 Nanaimo bar debacle,

00:27:54.280 this Nanaimo bar fallout.

00:27:55.540 Nanaimo gate.

00:27:56.100 Yeah, the Nanaimo gate.

00:27:56.980 A lot of people were saying,

00:27:57.960 can this just be over, please?

00:27:59.360 I mean, we've reached,

00:28:00.060 I think we reached a conclusion.

00:28:01.740 We spent a long enough time

00:28:02.860 talking about the issues.

00:28:03.860 Now we're talking

00:28:04.920 about Nanaimo bars.

00:28:06.180 Let's just move on now

00:28:07.240 and see where this goes.

00:28:09.040 I don't think we're going

00:28:09.600 to get any more

00:28:10.200 big policy statements

00:28:11.700 coming from any of these two.

00:28:12.960 So there's milk

00:28:14.060 in Nanaimo bars.

00:28:15.300 And the only reason

00:28:15.980 I bring that up

00:28:16.660 is to say that

00:28:17.360 the fact that

00:28:18.380 supply management

00:28:19.380 has somehow become

00:28:20.680 less controversial

00:28:21.660 than whether there's

00:28:23.020 flour in Nanaimo bars

00:28:24.900 is a sign that,

00:28:25.720 as you mentioned,

00:28:26.180 the leadership race

00:28:26.860 has gone on too long.

00:28:27.800 But it's over in eight days.

00:28:29.800 It's September 2nd now.

00:28:30.960 It's over on September 10th.

00:28:32.860 So fear not,

00:28:33.640 the Nanaimo gate

00:28:34.600 will be ending soon enough.

00:28:39.320 Ha ha ha!

00:28:46.660 And that's what we call

00:28:48.800 in the business,

00:28:49.600 my friends,

00:28:50.280 a callback.

00:28:51.140 What a great note to end on.

00:28:52.520 Harrison Faulkner,

00:28:53.280 always a pleasure.

00:28:54.040 I am Andrew Lawton.

00:28:55.080 This is Fake News Friday

00:28:56.440 on True North.

00:28:57.640 We will talk to you next week.

00:28:59.420 Thanks, everyone.

00:28:59.920 See you next week, everyone.

Juno News - September 02, 2022

CBC fails to debunk “bugs conspiracy theory”

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