Juno News - CBC has LOST CONTROL of the election – and the country (ft. Ezra Levant)

00:00:00.000 I'm Candace Malcolm and this is The Candace Malcolm Show. We have a great episode for you

00:00:10.380 today. We are really in the final stretch of the campaign less than a week before what I think is

00:00:15.820 the most consequential election of my lifetime. And one of the most interesting developments

00:00:20.440 of this election so far has been to see the media, specifically the CBC, and their reaction.

00:00:26.600 I believe they're losing control of their hold over the country. For decades, they have been the

00:00:33.260 arbiters of truth, the self-appointed arbiters of what is news and what isn't. And basically from that

00:00:40.080 debate that happened last week onwards, I think they're starting to realize that they don't have

00:00:45.700 that grip anymore. They're losing control over the country, over their place as being the ones who

00:00:50.900 gets to determine what is news and what isn't. And they no longer get to shape the narrative of

00:00:56.380 the campaign. They've lost control of the narrative. And it is social media and influencers

00:01:02.600 and content creators and independent journalists who are stepping up and having a bigger and bigger

00:01:08.180 influence. I hope this will be the last election campaign that the CBC has any type of influence

00:01:13.980 and control. I hope that they get defunded after this campaign. And I really think that they're

00:01:18.580 starting to realize that they might not have a future in this country. And that is why they are

00:01:23.740 behaving in such an unhinged way. So to talk about this a little bit more in depth, I'm very pleased

00:01:29.580 today to be joined by one of my favorite people, one of my favorite people in the independent media

00:01:33.420 space. And that is Ezra Levant. He's a founder of The Rebel. He's sort of the godfather of this

00:01:38.520 entire movement of independent online media. Ezra, thank you so much for joining the show. It's great

00:01:43.180 to have you. Wow, thank you for this super friendly introduction. I'm normally referred to

00:01:47.760 like a pebble in someone's shoe. So this is a change of pace for me. Thank you.

00:01:52.540 Well, okay, so it's been a week now since those debates. And I just think they were so consequential.

00:01:58.120 And I think that look, Pierre Polyev did a great job. Mark Carney did a terrible job. I think that

00:02:02.820 Mark Carney lost the election on Wednesday night at the French debate, or if not Wednesday night,

00:02:08.500 then Thursday night. His flat responses, his tone deafness, even just that question that he asked

00:02:14.280 to Pierre Polyev asking him why he doesn't have a security clearance and giving Polyev the stage

00:02:19.780 to debunk the entire conspiracy theory behind it. I think that he could have been heading towards a

00:02:25.780 government, majority government. And I don't know if he's lost the entire election, but I don't think

00:02:30.380 that he's going to get a majority government. The polls are starting to reflect that. So I want to

00:02:34.120 get your reaction to the debates themselves. But I think something more interesting or equally as

00:02:39.820 interesting happened in the debates. And that is really watching the CBC and all of the media

00:02:46.160 realize that they don't have control anymore, that the independent press is here to stay.

00:02:52.780 We do have influence over the country. We represent millions, dare I say tens of millions of Canadians

00:02:59.340 are more interested in the questions that we're asking and the way that we present the news

00:03:04.000 than the old guard. They're starting to realize that. So what are your reflections on both those issues,

00:03:09.320 Ezra? I think the debates were good. I think they were illuminating. And I think it was the first

00:03:15.440 time Canadians had seen Mark Carney, really. And I think he underperformed a bit. That said, I don't

00:03:21.460 think there was any particular disasters for him. So I don't think it was quite, I would say it wasn't

00:03:26.100 quite as bad as how you've described it. But you're right, the Mark Carney balloon has started to

00:03:31.420 deflate a bit. And perhaps over the next few days, if that trend continues, it's a possibility you might

00:03:37.240 have a conservative minority. Right now, I still think it's a liberal minority. But you're right,

00:03:42.580 to me, much more interesting was what was happening behind the scenes at the debates. As you know,

00:03:49.400 in 2019, both True North and Rebel News were banned. We both went to court and it was an amazing

00:03:57.420 ruling by the federal court that it was unconstitutional. It violated our charter rights

00:04:02.920 for the government agency called the Debates Commission to keep us out. See, Justin Trudeau

00:04:07.740 nationalized the debates. He turned them into a government agency so he could control them. He

00:04:12.360 even put one of the Kielburgers on the board. It was really weird. But by making a national 0.96

00:04:17.000 government agency, he made it subject to the Charter of Rights. They tried again to keep us out in 2021.

00:04:23.700 Again, we went to court and again, the court ordered them to accredit us. Actually, back then,

00:04:28.320 the court ordered them to accredit 11 different rebel journalists. So here we are in 2025. And

00:04:34.440 we reached out in advance to the Debates Commission and basically said, do you want to do this again?

00:04:39.640 Or do you want to grow up a bit? So they accredited five rebel news journalists. And I know that Juneau

00:04:45.420 had a team there. I was really pleased to see your team there. They were, first of all, it felt great

00:04:50.460 to have friends and allies. And not just you guys, but Western Standard was there. There were other

00:04:56.080 reporters. I don't want to try and list them all. But it felt like there was a growing cohort,

00:05:00.160 whereas it was quite lonely five years ago. Now there's a growing group of, you know, I don't

00:05:05.040 even know everybody, which is a pleasure when you don't, when the movement grows so much that you

00:05:08.600 don't know everyone. And here's the interesting thing. You guys had some really good questions

00:05:14.880 that I would say were a little bit edgy, which is, I think, what a journalist should be towards a

00:05:18.580 politician. The politicians didn't mind. Mark Carney answered you guys, your questions. I thought he

00:05:24.920 actually answered them fairly well. He wasn't shocked by them. He didn't reject them. He answered

00:05:29.900 them. He's a grownup. Like, he's not afraid to answer the questions. If he proposes to engage

00:05:37.160 with Trump and Putin, I think he can handle Juneau news. Same thing with rebel news. Like, Jagmeet Singh

00:05:43.240 doesn't talk to us any time. He's a bit of a powder that way. So no big deal. But the Bloc Quebecois

00:05:49.260 leader answered our questions. And Pier Polly have answered our questions. Here's my point

00:05:53.520 that I'm making, Candace. All of the party leaders were fine with us being there. I did

00:05:58.580 not hear a single complaint from any of the parties that we were allowed in. The complaints

00:06:03.780 came from rival journalists. They came especially from the CBC, which basically launched a campaign

00:06:10.340 to discredit and eject us. There was one moment, I don't know if you know this, Candace, the CBC

00:06:16.180 complained privately to the commission and demanded that I be ejected because I had the temerity

00:06:21.980 to ask a CBC journalist during a commercial break if I would have a chance to rebut his

00:06:26.720 cascade of lies against us. The CBC thought I was so impertinent they tried to get me kicked

00:06:32.220 out. Like, they literally asked and demanded that we be ejected. None of the politicians felt

00:06:39.220 that way. One last thing. I don't know if you have this clip, but Adrienne Arsenault, who's

00:06:43.120 a very senior reporter for the CBC, she was talking about Rebel News and you guys in particular.

00:06:48.920 And in particular, the question by Alex Zoltan, if I've got the name correctly, who asked about

00:06:54.660 how many genders there are. And that's not a trick question. That goes to transgender 0.86

00:06:58.560 policy. The UK Supreme Court just ruled that only biological men are men. This is a very

00:07:04.500 live issue in the United States. It's absolutely relevant in Canada.

00:07:08.120 Well, they asked Pierre Polyev about it like two months ago. And there was no complaints

00:07:11.800 after that question was asked. Yeah. So you guys asked that question. It was well put. And

00:07:16.920 by the way, I think he answered it okay, Mark Carney. Well, he answered it, I mean.

00:07:20.580 Yeah. Yeah. The rage from the other, Adrienne Arsenault said, people might think, what country

00:07:27.200 are we in? And she also said, these debate, these questions did not conform to what was

00:07:35.060 talked about in the debates. And I'm thinking, you're giving it away. You're saying the quiet

00:07:39.580 part out loud. Adrienne Arsenault, Rosemary Barton, and David Cochran, the CBC triumvirate,

00:07:45.200 had ruled that Rebel News and Juneau News, our questions were not the right ones. It was clearly

00:07:51.700 a content disagreement. It was, I mean, and all the questions we asked were asked very

00:07:56.580 politely. So it's not like we were even disruptive. Hey, quick point on that. We have a reporter

00:08:01.420 named Drea Humphrey. And if I was a lefty, I would also say she's a woman of color who is 1.00

00:08:06.720 indigenous. In fact, she was the only black woman in the room, let me put it that way. 1.00

00:08:11.200 She asked a question about residential schools that was off the official narrative. She asked

00:08:16.360 Jagmeet Singh about that, and about the wave of Christian churches being torched. And not 0.63

00:08:23.520 only did Jagmeet Singh ignore her, but here's the thing, Candace, and I don't know if this

00:08:27.200 would have been heard by people at home, because I don't think it was picked up by the microphone.

00:08:30.380 When Drea Humphrey, a dignified black journalist, asked this question of Jagmeet Singh, all these 1.00

00:08:36.100 white liberal male feminists in the press room started heckling her. I swear to God, they were 1.00

00:08:42.540 trying to disrupt her. They were trying to shout her down. You can't quite pick it up

00:08:45.980 on the microphone. It was shocking. Same thing when Alexa LaVoie asked her question

00:08:51.140 en français. I have never seen, it was demonic, the way they were hollering at her. And they

00:08:57.640 say independent journalists are the disruptors and chaotic. It's so clear that this is their

00:09:03.540 little club, and they hate the fact that we're eating their lunch. But you are right, Candace,

00:09:08.380 they are losing their grip and their control. And I'm delighted to see it.

00:09:12.840 Well, I want to pick up on a couple of points that you made there, because

00:09:15.940 I could kind of hear a little bit of the heckling that was going on. And it did made me think

00:09:20.600 that, you know, this isn't just about, you know, who gets to the line first to ask the

00:09:25.920 question, because it really is, you know, it's open to everyone. And so the fact that they

00:09:29.560 were very upset that Juno News got two questions to Mark Carney, it's literally just because

00:09:33.960 our guys got up 10 minutes before the debate ended and stood in line, right? That's it.

00:09:38.480 That's all it took. The fact that Rebel had four, well, the CBC also had four. You talked

00:09:44.480 about the panel. And I do want to show it because I don't have the bit where Adrienne

00:09:49.660 Arsenault is saying that she had to check if she was still in Canada. I played it on the

00:09:52.760 show last week. I think that parts of creative music. But I want to show this bit of the three

00:09:57.500 of them, Adrienne Arsenault, Rosemary Barton, and David Cochran. And just the way that they're

00:10:03.040 talking about it, to me, this clip just perfectly illuminates the point that we're trying to

00:10:07.720 make here, which is that these people are losing their control over the country. So let's play

00:10:11.740 that clip, please.

00:10:13.300 Just watching it, having watched the debate, David, you know, it's the debate was one type

00:10:18.720 of conversation. This feels very different.

00:10:21.340 I think the debate commission is going to need to be accountable for what's kind of

00:10:26.860 happening here. They moved the time of the debate the day before. They kicked the greens

00:10:30.980 out the morning of. And they've opened up the scrums and the press access to a bunch of

00:10:35.620 groups who sometimes are registered charities or have been defined by their owner as not actually

00:10:40.240 a journalistic organization or have been ruled by the federal court to not be a journalistic

00:10:44.720 organization. And there are substantive follow-ups on these things for these leaders. They only

00:10:51.100 get 10 minutes, and it's being monopolized by people who are asking on issues that are

00:10:56.460 not central to the campaign, and certainly were not central to this debate.

00:10:59.800 And we have about 30 seconds left. Anything of substance that you heard there, policy-wise,

00:11:04.400 or that you've heard tonight that you hadn't heard before?

00:11:07.100 Not in any of these scrums, because they are being taken over by other agendas, right? And not,

00:11:13.480 I think, necessarily helping a broad swath of voters. Some people maybe do want to hear some

00:11:18.540 of these questions and answers. But broadly, I don't think they represent sort of what the

00:11:23.420 ballot box question is about. We can talk more, yeah.

00:11:26.120 Okay, so just a couple of things as well that I want to point out about that exchange there.

00:11:29.980 So you're right, Adrian Arsenal's talking about how these weren't the points from the debate. So

00:11:35.280 clearly, they believe that the establishment media gets to set the agenda for the entire election,

00:11:41.620 and that that's what you have to talk about. So the scrums have to be dominated by the exact same

00:11:46.180 questions that were already covered in the debate, which, to me, doesn't make much sense.

00:11:50.580 And then you have David and Cochrane kind of try to explain to everyone what we were even doing

00:11:54.820 there. And he totally gets his facts wrong, right? He's like, one of them is a registered charity. So

00:11:58.820 I guess that's talking about True North. And then he also says, a federal judge has determined that

00:12:04.020 they're not journalists. Well, that's the opposite of the truth. Actually, the federal judge was the one,

00:12:08.260 as you mentioned, in 2019, that ruled that we were journalists, and therefore we had to get let in.

00:12:13.220 And then you have like a very somber Rosemary Barton come in, kind of again, repeat the point

00:12:18.420 that this isn't what the campaign is supposed to be about. And this is my favorite part. She says,

00:12:24.100 other agendas have taken over. So she's kind of implying there that, you know, we have our agenda,

00:12:29.780 the legacy media, the CBC agenda. And these are, this is another agenda taken over to just ask

00:12:35.700 questions that millions of Canadians would like to know. From my perspective, you have the debate,

00:12:39.620 they missed a whole bunch of issues, right? They really want to talk about divisive social issues

00:12:44.180 that hurt Pierre Polyev. So they spent 10 minutes of the campaign, of the debate, Ezra, talking about

00:12:48.260 abortion. This is a French debate. The last 10 minutes were on abortion, even though all of the

00:12:51.860 candidates agree. I wish they didn't, but all of the candidates agree on that issue. So that's,

00:12:57.060 that's the type of social issue you're allowed to talk about, the ones that they've decided for the

00:13:00.820 last 25 years to use as an attack against conservatives. You know, the entire craze over radical gender 0.95

00:13:07.620 ideology, that's not allowed. The question about residential schools, I wish someone had asked

00:13:12.340 that question to Mark Carney, right? During the English debate, he said to Jagmeet Singh,

00:13:18.180 no, I don't believe that Israel is committing genocide against the Palestinians. I don't think

00:13:22.340 we should use that word. I would like to know whether he believes that Canada committed genocide,

00:13:26.580 because his predecessor, Justin Trudeau, said not only that Canada did commit genocide, but he said that

00:13:31.860 Canada is committing genocide, like present tense, right? So why don't we ask the leader of the

00:13:38.100 Liberal Party whether he maintains that same view, right? They don't want to talk about the social

00:13:42.260 issues that could harm the Liberals. And you also, just one final point, David Cochran there was

00:13:48.020 complaining about the leaders' debate commission. He doesn't like anything about them, so they're kind

00:13:53.940 of lobbying. We saw there was an interview right before the English debate where he had the debates

00:13:58.980 commissioner on grilling him. How come you let these journalists in? You know, how did you let this

00:14:04.500 happen? And there he's complaining that the Green Party didn't get let in. Okay, the Green Party didn't meet

00:14:09.060 the requirements, right? The requirements have been set in stone for the last two election cycles. They

00:14:13.940 objectively didn't meet those. Why does David Cochran want the Green Party in so much? I'll tell

00:14:19.220 you why I think, because it helps Mark Carney. The more people on stage, the less Mark Carney has to talk, the

00:14:25.620 less chance there is that he'll stick his foot in his mouth. The entire strategy of the Liberals and

00:14:30.020 the CBC is run out the clock, right? They created a narrative. The narrative is Trump bad, coming

00:14:35.860 against Canada, only Mark Carney can save us. And so all their entire agenda is just to help Mark

00:14:41.700 Carney run out the clock. And I think they just, it's just so obvious. They've exposed themselves. And

00:14:46.260 and I mean, now we're at this point where we're seeing them sort of grasp their last grasp of power

00:14:52.020 before they get put out. What do you think of all that? Yeah, I mean, let me give you an example. I

00:14:55.940 was thinking about this the other day. In the last two election cycles, the Conservative Party

00:15:00.420 was the focus of the media rage over the carbon tax. Why won't you support the carbon tax? How dare

00:15:06.580 you do this to the planet? And Andrew Scheer and Erin O'Toole answered, I don't think their answers were

00:15:12.660 great, but it was such a central focus of the debates. As soon as Mark Carney says, oh, yikes,

00:15:18.660 I'd better shuck off. I'd better jettison the carbon tax if I'm going to win. All of a sudden,

00:15:25.060 the media that was saying this is the death of the climate, the death of our future, suddenly they

00:15:30.500 show no interest in the subject whatsoever. Really? I mean, could you be more transparent in how

00:15:37.620 partisan you are? That whole thing was just a way to get the Conservatives. And now that Mark Carney

00:15:42.740 has flipped on the subject, they're not interested in it anymore. Being in that room, Candice, was

00:15:50.420 amazing. I should say that about half the journalists in there were just regular folks

00:15:54.820 doing their job. I sat next to a photographer from the Montreal Gazette. He couldn't care less. He was

00:15:59.540 just there to take photos. I mean, there are some really normal people in journalism, but some of them

00:16:03.860 are Antifa activists with a laptop. There was some nut bar from the Hill Times who started screaming,

00:16:09.780 first at Kean Bextie and then at us and some other kook at Ricochet. And, you know, they were so 0.98

00:16:16.420 disruptive. And I thought the word demonic came to mind. The way they went after Drea was demonic.

00:16:22.020 And then I just thought, what is it? And here's my guess of what happened. First of all,

00:16:27.860 I think some of them, like I say, are radical activists. And it was, this was their January 6th

00:16:32.580 moment. Oh my God, independent journalists are storming in. I think second of all, they've been

00:16:37.140 radicalized. They've been convinced by the BS on the CBC that we are all the things they falsely

00:16:43.860 accuse us of. So, so if we were in the room and a bunch of Klansmen came in with hoods,

00:16:48.660 we would freak out and say, what the heck are you guys doing in here? That's how they've been trained

00:16:53.460 and taught and brainwashed into thinking anyone right of center is. And finally, there's the fact

00:17:00.100 that they know we get more views often than they do. I mean, I stopped counting how many views Rebel

00:17:06.820 News got when we hit two billion. I mean, I like it when a video goes viral, but I don't even count

00:17:12.660 anymore. I'm sure you're the same way. And I remember when we started Rebel News a decade ago,

00:17:17.940 I had an inferiority complex. I said, oh, are we really even doing journalism? And we don't have the

00:17:22.580 fancy sets, and we don't have the reach, but we do. And these guys are some artificial last refuge,

00:17:34.180 and they're only there because they're propped up by the government. And that's why they're in panic

00:17:37.940 mode. They know that we run circles around them. They know that we have the love of Canadians. We

00:17:43.220 have to, we don't get government bailouts. And they know that if this election goes the wrong way for

00:17:47.460 them, a lot of the people in that room may be unemployed because for them, their hobby and

00:17:52.260 their politics are being subsidized. Juno, Counter Signal, Western Standard, Rebel News, we live based

00:18:00.020 on the support of our people. And the CBC can't say the same. And I think it's all these things

00:18:06.340 combining. And we were in their safe place. And let me just throw one last thing. I know we're,

00:18:12.820 we don't have too much time, but there was this moment where Michelle Cormier, the head of the

00:18:16.900 debates commission was doing, doing the touring, getting beat up by all the regime journalists

00:18:21.540 for letting us in. And it was in one interview, he said, there's only so much I can do to limit

00:18:27.380 the free press. He literally said that out loud. Other journalists were saying, why do you let the

00:18:32.820 Rebel News in? He said, I agree with you. I didn't want to, but the court says I have to, shouldn't,

00:18:39.140 I have to follow the law. Like he was apologizing. He was apologizing for allowing free speech.

00:18:45.700 I don't know. These guys can't lose hard enough. I, I, I, I mean, from our perspective,

00:18:52.260 Ezra, it's like, it's just like good versus evil. It's so black and white. Like there's no gray here.

00:18:57.060 It's like these people hate free speech in a free press. And yet they say it. Imagine putting a guy

00:19:03.540 in charge of a debates who says publicly, I wish I could do more to limit free speech. He said that.

00:19:10.020 He really said that that was his excuse. When Radio Canada, the French CBC was saying,

00:19:14.740 why didn't you ban these guys? He said, guys, I tried.

00:19:19.060 Okay. I want to get to just one other thing. I know we don't have you for much longer.

00:19:23.060 I'm going to do this one. And then, and then I want to quickly talk about the news and the two

00:19:26.900 campaigns. But this was probably one of the most satisfying, delicious things that happened.

00:19:31.620 So first I'll show you, uh, after the French debate, Rosemary Barton accused your journalist,

00:19:37.700 Drea Humphries of trafficking in misinformation. And she fact checked her live on television, 0.99

00:19:43.380 claiming that yes, there have been remains of indigenous children found in various places

00:19:47.540 across the country. Let's play that clip.

00:19:49.140 I have to sort of address the elephant in the room. How are these people chosen to answer these

00:19:55.620 questions? And I don't know if either one of you have an answer for that, but I think there will

00:19:58.820 be people at home saying some of these seem like odd questions. Some of them aren't getting answered.

00:20:03.460 How come we've heard so often from this one particular outlet? Any idea what's going on there?

00:20:07.780 There's, there's three, uh, right wing, um, very right wing, uh, media. We can call them media websites

00:20:14.340 that are present, uh, in there. They get in line to ask a question like anybody else. Their accreditation

00:20:19.780 has been approved by the commission of debates. And so they get the right to stand in line and ask a

00:20:25.060 question, uh, that they choose to ask. In this case, you saw Mr. Singh, and this has been his position

00:20:30.580 for some time to refuse to answer questions, rebel news in particular, traffics and misinformation,

00:20:36.580 facts, uh, lack of facts. And, uh, as you heard in that question, which was, uh, woven with some truth

00:20:43.060 and some things that weren't true. Yes, there have been, uh, burnings of Christian Catholic churches.

00:20:48.660 Uh, yes, there have been remains of indigenous children found in various places around the

00:20:54.020 country, which she misrepresented. We'll see if Mr. Poiliev gets any questions from right wing

00:20:58.500 organizations. I would suspect no. As an aside, I love that they refuse to call us journalists.

00:21:03.060 So they call us media websites, very far, right. Okay. So to get to the good part, uh, when she said

00:21:09.060 that I was actually, I was going to fact check it, but then we got carried away with other things because

00:21:13.060 we track this stuff pretty closely, Ezra. And every time they've done an excavation, which

00:21:18.020 haven't, there haven't been very many, right? Most of the time, you know, the, the industries behind

00:21:22.660 the first nations, unmarked gravesting, they really want to drum up the accusation. And then when it

00:21:27.140 comes to the actual report, they bury it. They don't want it done. They don't want to excavate.

00:21:30.740 They've never excavated in cantaloupes where the initial 215, um, soil disturbances were found.

00:21:37.540 And so when Rosemary Barton said that, I thought, you know, she actually believes the propaganda.

00:21:42.340 She believes lies. Cause I think that she was in good faith trying to fact check because she

00:21:46.420 believes that she knows the truth. And the reality is that she's not very well informed

00:21:50.180 Ezra because yes, there have been some excavations. They have never found remains. They have never

00:21:54.980 found remains. And so even the CBC, this is, I'll give someone at the organization credit for this,

00:21:59.860 this fact check popped up April 17th. So here, let me read it. This is what it says,

00:22:03.780 buried at the bottom of a CBC news story, right? Rosemary Barton didn't have to apologize,

00:22:08.100 but they did have to issue a correction for what she just said here. It says on April 16th,

00:22:12.420 during a live broadcast following the French language federal election leaders debate on

00:22:15.860 CBC news network, chief political correspondent Rosemary Barton said, quote, yes, there have

00:22:20.420 been remains of indigenous children found in various places across the country. Unquote.

00:22:24.340 As CBC news has reported on multiple occasions, what several indigenous communities across Canada

00:22:29.220 have discovered on sites of some former residential schools are potential barrier sites or unmarked rape.

00:22:36.100 So no, I mean, even, even in their, even in their correction, Ezra, they twist it and manipulate it.

00:22:41.620 They don't come right out and say it. Fact check, Rosemary Barton, they've never found any remains.

00:22:47.300 They've never found any remains. And they're trying, they're desperately trying. So at least,

00:22:52.020 you know, the CBC has admitted it. And I think Ezra, this goes to show what a great question it was

00:22:56.660 from Drea. And I wish that it was asked to Mark Carney as well, hopefully we'll have that opportunity in

00:23:00.900 the future. Yeah. By the way, Drea Humphrey went to Kamloops and she was puttering around. She actually

00:23:06.740 bumped into the chief and put questions to her. I am certain Rosemary Barton hasn't gone to any

00:23:11.300 lengths to find the truth. And for her to presume to be the arbiter of the truth is a bit much.

00:23:17.220 Listen, one man's misinformation is another man's argument. These are unresolved issues. And this

00:23:24.740 whole industry of fact checking and misinformation is a way of saying you're not allowed to have a

00:23:30.820 different opinion. Everything should be challengeable. I mean, we just came through the COVID-19,

00:23:36.580 everything from where did the virus originate, to do the vaccines work, to do vaccine mandates work,

00:23:44.420 to should we violate civil liberties of people with the Emergencies Act, all of those things are

00:23:49.460 controversies. And we allow controversies, let truth and falsehood grapple. But for them to say,

00:23:55.860 rebel news, traffics and misinformation, they shouldn't be allowed in at all. Well, they get things 1.00

00:24:00.900 wrong literally every day. Sometimes I think you're right. This was misinformation, a mistake by Rosemary

00:24:06.740 Barton. But in other cases, it's very much disinformation, deliberate spin in service of their

00:24:12.820 master, Mark Carney. I'm not calling for the CBC to be banned from anything. And I wish they wouldn't call

00:24:18.980 for me or you to be banned either. I think it shows how brittle their ideas are. They, if they had their

00:24:26.020 way, they would ban us and they would shut down independent websites through things like Bill C63.

00:24:33.460 And I'm quite worried that if Mark Carney wins again, I'm worried he will bring in those censorship laws

00:24:38.740 and he is intimated as much. So there's a lot at stake. You said this was the most consequential election

00:24:44.100 of your lifetime. I believe that's true as well. And I'm a little bit worried. Well, and this just goes

00:24:48.740 to, again, the need for more independent questions. Because why hasn't this been asked of Mark Carney? Why don't

00:24:54.580 we know what his position on Trudeau government censorship laws are? We don't even know basic

00:24:59.220 things as are like, if he loses the election, will he stay on?

00:25:02.660 Yeah. We don't know basic biographical things. When did he move back to Canada? Last year,

00:25:07.780 he told the U.S. Congress, he was interrogated by the U.S. Congress for sort of price fixing and extortion

00:25:13.300 of a carbon company. He was interrogated under oath by congressional lawyers. And he told them he lived

00:25:20.180 in the United Kingdom. This was just a few months ago. When did he move back to Canada? Has he moved

00:25:25.060 back to Canada? Where did he file his personal taxes? His health care card? Is it an Ontario card?

00:25:30.420 Or is it the NHS in the UK? Why have his wife and children not returned back to Canada? Why did he

00:25:36.020 get three passports? Is he really going to give them up? I mean, those may sound like detailed questions,

00:25:42.420 but I think we have the right to know the man who was selected as our prime minister in a botched election,

00:25:49.060 400,000 people registered to vote in the liberal leadership contest. 250,000 of those were disqualified.

00:25:57.220 Only 150,000 out of 400,000 were allowed to vote. What's with that? And the results were statistically

00:26:03.300 so improbable. And no one looked into it. And we're not allowed to ask questions. I assure you that the

00:26:11.300 Chinese Communist Party took a great interest in his leadership vote. I know that because every week

00:26:17.140 there's another emergency announcement by the Canadian intelligence services that China's

00:26:22.020 meddling in our campaign. Well, I mean, imagine instead of just meddling with 11 individual MPs,

00:26:28.180 imagine putting a Manchurian candidate right in the PMO. And I don't know the facts about it because

00:26:33.540 he won't answer the facts. When was the last time Mark Carney spoke to the Chinese embassy or a Chinese

00:26:39.300 diplomat? Do we know the answer to that? I think it's a valid question, considering he literally met with

00:26:43.540 Xi Jinping himself. Why did he take a quarter billion dollar loan from China? Is China the world

00:26:49.140 leader in finance? What were the terms there? What ongoing ties does he have to China? Those aren't

00:26:54.820 conspiracy questions. Those are genuine fact-finding accountability questions that you vet someone

00:27:00.820 before you put them in charge of the country. This guy just popped up here after a decade away.

00:27:05.300 We don't know so many basic details about him. And the CBC will do anything to keep it that way.

00:27:10.500 Well, what an utter, absolute failure of media. The fact that you could just,

00:27:14.260 both of us could just come up with a dozen questions that we would easily want to know

00:27:17.620 and ask the prime minister. Millions, and I think tens of millions of Canadians would agree that those

00:27:22.580 are important issues that should have been featured in this campaign. What a total abdication of

00:27:26.420 responsibility by the media. I hope Pierre Polyev wins this election just so that he can blow up the

00:27:32.020 status quo and have a shakeup, allow for different ideas and different opinions to be coming in.

00:27:37.220 Just a final point I want to make about this election and ask you about Ezra is we've now

00:27:42.100 seen that the primary emotion driving liberal voters is fear. The primary emotion driving

00:27:48.020 conservative voters is hope, hope for the future, optimism for change. That's kind of a flip of how

00:27:52.900 the election usually is, or at least the media try to pretend and accuse the conservatives of running

00:27:58.100 on hate and division and using dog whistle, all this nonsense. Whereas this time is actually the case.

00:28:04.340 But I think the liberal attitude around the campaign shows that they're losing. You know,

00:28:09.540 the fact that Terry Gilliam assaulted your reporter outside the Debates Commission last week. I mean,

00:28:14.900 this is a campaign that is like flailing out of control, spiraling in negativity. The viral image

00:28:20.820 of the Bramford boomer, I think, an actual liberal campaign worker with the double middle finger at an

00:28:28.420 independent journalist for daring to just be at a Mark Carney event. And she's not the only one with

00:28:37.300 having that experience. You know, there were multiple images of older, angry liberal supporters

00:28:42.660 or staffers. You know, they're really kind of angry and deranged. And then you contrast that with

00:28:49.300 Pierre Polyev, who, you know, he's been getting big union endorsements, the former liberal premier of

00:28:55.220 British Columbia. Gordon Campbell just came out and endorsed him. Moses Simner, the Canadian

00:28:59.860 Association of Retired Persons. Like he's building this sort of optimistic coalition. I think that

00:29:07.140 they have the momentum going into the final stretch. They've closed the gap right at one point earlier

00:29:11.220 in the campaign, the liberals and Mark Carney were up by 10, 12 points. Now, by most accurate, honest

00:29:17.780 pollsters, it's neck and neck, like a tie. Maybe I think that that Carney has lost this election. It's just a

00:29:24.100 matter of who's going to get the minority. Is it going to be liberal? Is it going to be conservative? Mostly,

00:29:28.340 how is that vote going to be distributed? Final thing is early voting. My husband and I went out

00:29:34.500 and took part in the advanced poll voting and Record Elections Canada say a record 7.3 million Canadians

00:29:44.740 voted in the advanced polling, which means that we might get the most, we might set a new record,

00:29:50.180 Ezra, for the highest voter turnout ever. So I think Canadians agree this is an incredibly

00:29:54.580 important election and really it's like which path we're going down? Fear and anger and the double

00:30:01.060 middle finger towards others or this campaign of optimism and hope for the future and sort of

00:30:07.860 restoring the Canadian promise? What do you think? David Coletto is one of my favorite pollsters. He's

00:30:13.220 with a polling company called Abacus and he had a tweet the other day that I thought was fascinating.

00:30:17.620 He said, is it true that the Liberals have lost a 12 or 15 point lead in a month? To believe that,

00:30:25.380 you have to believe that they ran a horrible campaign or that the conservatives ran a terrific

00:30:29.620 campaign. Or, he posited, is this response bias to pollsters? Let me translate into plain English.

00:30:35.620 David Coletto, a pollster, is saying that people were not telling the truth to pollsters. And I had to

00:30:41.540 Google response bias because I didn't really know what it meant. It means things like you want to tell the

00:30:46.740 pollster what you think is socially acceptable. Or there's a peer pressure going on so you'll say

00:30:51.700 one thing on the phone but you'll mark it at X on a ballot differently. I thought that was a very

00:30:58.180 interesting thing for a pollster himself to say because I think he was trying to say how did this

00:31:02.100 swing so much? And I think it's so being, there's a drumbeat, you've got to support Carney, you must hate

00:31:09.620 Trump. It's just fascinating to me. I wonder if the large turnout is people saying, whoa, this is

00:31:18.740 being, there's some hoodwinking going on here. I don't know. I am nervous about it, but I know that

00:31:24.740 the Liberals are dark. Let me tell you a super quick story. Remember Button Gate? About two weeks ago,

00:31:30.820 the Liberals were caught handing out fake Trump-like political buttons at a conservative end to sort of

00:31:38.100 plant them on Pierre Polyev as if Polyev was saying Trump-like slogans like stop the steal

00:31:44.260 or lock him up. This was part of the Liberal messaging strategy that Pierre Polyev is a mini

00:31:49.460 Trump. You can't trust him to deal with Trump. He's just like Trump. So this was a total campaign effort

00:31:54.580 to smear Polyev as being in Trump's pocket. So the dirty tricks part was planting these buttons

00:32:01.140 at a conservative function. It was only because their election staff were loudly boasting about it in a bar.

00:32:07.780 They were overheard by actually a CBC reporter. I don't know if you know this, Candace, but I actually

00:32:12.420 own the trademark to one of the buttons that was used, Make Canada Great Again, if you can believe it.

00:32:16.900 I trademarked that a few years ago. So they stole my property as part of their campaign dirty tricks.

00:32:22.740 So I'm suing the Liberal Party for trademark violations, suing the Liberal Party and John Doe's one and John Doe two.

00:32:29.620 I want to know who did it. I want to know, did this go to the top? I suspect it did, Candace, because this was a total

00:32:35.780 campaign strategy, and Mark Carney said he didn't fire the malefactors. He called it, quote,

00:32:42.020 totally unacceptable, but then he said he, quote, reassigned them. Really? So my lawsuit obviously

00:32:48.420 will not be heard before the election, but I intend to pursue it. First of all, I want to enforce my

00:32:53.460 property rights. You can't steal, Make Canada Great Again. We trademarked that. We're selling hats, etc.

00:32:58.340 But I want to know who did it. And I think that they're lying about it. I think Mark Carney

00:33:05.620 pretends to be an ethical, gentlemanly guy. But I think he will do anything to win. And the Liberals

00:33:12.580 around him will do anything to win. Gerald Butts, Katie Telford. It's Justin Trudeau's old crew. All of it.

00:33:18.660 So I just wanted to tell you that little story. They are dirty tricksters. They accuse conservatives of

00:33:24.180 being rough. They're the dirty tricksters, the Liberals themselves. Wow, Ezra. Well, that's

00:33:28.580 interesting. We're going to have to follow up with you on that lawsuit. Good for you for filing it.

00:33:33.540 And hey, we really appreciate your time and your insights, Ezra. And thank you. You've really charted

00:33:37.620 the way for independent media. I really mean it. We wouldn't be here at Juneau News or at True North

00:33:42.500 without your leadership in this field. So keep up the great work and good luck with the lawsuit.

00:33:48.260 Thanks for those very kind words. You keep up the fight. All right. Thank you so much. This is Ezra Levant,

00:33:53.060 founder and leader of The Rebel. Well, folks, this is all the time we have for today. We'll be back

00:33:57.700 again tomorrow with all the news. I'm Candice Malcolm. This is The Candice Malcolm Show. Thank you and God

00:34:01.380 bless you.

Juno News - April 23, 2025

CBC has LOST CONTROL of the election – and the country (ft. Ezra Levant)

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