Juno News - May 05, 2025


CBC journalist HUMILIATED twice in ONE DAY, Carney Liberals SLAMMED in new press freedom report


Episode Stats

Length

25 minutes

Words per Minute

183.86679

Word Count

4,678

Sentence Count

331

Misogynist Sentences

2

Hate Speech Sentences

2


Summary


Transcript

00:00:00.000 Hi, I'm Candace Malcolm and this is The Candace Malcolm Show. We have a great episode for
00:00:07.200 you today. We are coming off the election and let me just tell you folks, the numbers
00:00:11.240 here at Juno News are spectacular. I want to share a few of them with you because I'm
00:00:15.080 really excited and really proud of what we have built together. I say together because
00:00:18.660 we would not be here without the audience, without viewers like you, without the people
00:00:22.260 who are subscribers to Juno News that pay us $10 a month for all of our news. You're
00:00:26.720 the ones that have propelled this and kept this going. So during the election, during
00:00:30.060 the shortest election that you could possibly have, only five weeks, we published 413 exclusive
00:00:35.880 news stories at Juno News. We had 10 million plus page views across social media, so just
00:00:41.900 X and YouTube. Our videos were viewed 14.2 million times. Our newsletter, which we send out every
00:00:49.040 day, was opened 9.1 million times. It was viewed 9.1 million times. And our premium subscribers
00:00:55.840 grew by 30%, folks. So we are so excited to be part of the movement of independent press
00:01:02.460 and independent journalism in Canada. We are on a mission to replace the CBC and I think
00:01:07.680 we're going to get there. I'm going to ask you just take a quick second and like this
00:01:11.340 video. It really helps us with the YouTube algorithm. But it's not all good news because
00:01:16.400 as I'm going to report today, Canada has fallen in terms of world press freedom. So you know
00:01:22.280 this and I know this, that Canada is not as free as we used to be. We don't have free speech like
00:01:27.860 we used to. And now it's verified, not by a conservative group. This isn't just a right-wing
00:01:31.440 talking point. This is a factual statement based on the World Press Freedom Index. So to talk about
00:01:38.100 this a little more, very pleased to be joined by my friend, Sheila Gunn-Reed. Sheila is a journalist
00:01:42.380 at Rebel News, Rebel Media, and she's the president of the Independent Press Gallery of Canada.
00:01:47.460 Sheila, welcome to the program.
00:01:48.660 Candice, thanks for having me on the show.
00:01:51.400 Okay, well, I saw this on X and it was really disappointing, but not surprising. So can you walk
00:01:56.660 us through this Reporters Without Borders World Press Freedom Index?
00:02:01.160 Sure. Yeah, the Reporters Without Borders, they put out an analysis of press freedom every single
00:02:06.780 year. And it tracks government overreach, arrests of journalists, violence against journalists,
00:02:14.840 and government censorship. And Canada now ranks 21st in the world with a score of 78.75. Now,
00:02:24.300 the reason this is significant is that this is a huge drop from just 2024. In 2024, Canada was at 14th
00:02:34.520 place. And overall, now this is what I think is really significant, is that, you know, how people
00:02:39.580 used to talk about how mean Prime Minister Stephen Harper was to journalists. But journalists had a
00:02:44.000 really good under Prime Minister Stephen Harper because we've dropped 13 places since 2015 when
00:02:51.900 the Liberals took power. And that is post the Liberals dumping a pile of money on the mainstream
00:02:57.720 media, bailout after bailout. This is post the government overreach into journalism. So we have
00:03:04.420 to remember Bill C-11 that handed basic control of the internet over to the CRTC. So that's the
00:03:12.740 broadcasting bureaucracy. This is post C-18. C-18, as you know, forced tech companies to bankroll
00:03:20.060 failing legacy media outlets. And that prompted Meta to block Canadian news outright, right, where a lot
00:03:26.720 of people consumed their news, but also where a lot of independent journalists were seeing their reach
00:03:33.640 grow. And then now we've got Carney threatening to clean up online pollution, he says, is flowing our
00:03:40.000 way from the Americans, which, of course, is a euphemism for purging any sort of dissenting voices.
00:03:45.560 So this is troubling. And this tracks with exactly the time the Liberals took power.
00:03:50.860 Wow, I mean, it is scary. And just for that context, right, like even us at True North,
00:03:55.920 they built a company called True North. And we had a huge audience on Facebook. That was our number one
00:04:01.120 audience in terms of social media. Without warning, they just completely shut it off. We had to migrate
00:04:06.900 over to YouTube. And thankfully, we've been able to build up a large audience on YouTube now. But it
00:04:12.000 took a while, it took a few years of catching up. And, you know, again, thankfully, we have an email
00:04:17.620 list as well. But if you don't, I mean, it's so easy to get cut off from your viewers. And that's the
00:04:22.060 scary thing, right? Like when you have a government as tyrannical and opposed to basic freedoms, as we see
00:04:28.380 with the Liberals, you never know what they're going to cut off next, never know what they're
00:04:31.540 going to do next. I want to read what Mark Carney has to say on Press Freedom Day. So it was on
00:04:36.080 Saturday. And he writes this on X. He says, a strong, independent and free press both defines
00:04:41.220 and defends our values as Canadians. Now more than ever, we need to protect our public forums and
00:04:46.400 defend strong and reliable Canadian voices. So there's so much you can read into that. Sheila,
00:04:51.360 first of all, as we all know, Mark Carney banned independent reporters from any of his events through
00:04:56.840 the campaign starting in Edmonton with his campaign launch. He even had the police get involved to do
00:05:02.220 everything they could to stop independent reporters from asking questions. The only time throughout the
00:05:06.480 entire campaign that independent journalists got to ask questions was at that leaders debate because
00:05:12.060 we had a court order saying that we're journalists and they had to let us in. And now he says, now more
00:05:16.400 than ever, we need to protect our public forums and defend strong, reliable Canadian voices. So all I read
00:05:22.700 from that is he wants more power to shut down his adversarial voices and defend, meaning publicly fund
00:05:31.480 journalism, which is pretty much exactly how we got into this mess. I also want to play from Mark
00:05:38.120 Carney. This was a resurface clip. This came up during the election campaign, April 10th, 2025. And this is a
00:05:44.400 clip of Mark Carney basically saying the threat is from social media platforms. He says that they've become a
00:05:51.960 sea of racism, misogyny, anti-semitism, Islamophobia, and hate. And he says, my government will act. Let's play
00:05:58.020 that clip. Large American online platforms have become seas of racism, misogyny, anti-semitism,
00:06:05.140 Islamophobia, and hate in all its forms. And they're being used by criminals to harm our children.
00:06:12.880 My government will act. So that's terrifying. What do you think of that?
00:06:20.640 Well, I mean, he says large American platforms, but we know who he means. We know that he means X,
00:06:25.980 which is the one place where people can still freely speak their mind. And it's where a lot of
00:06:30.560 journalists are. So he's going to make sure that the journalists see exactly what he wants them to
00:06:36.820 see. But I also think it's interesting, his focus, right? We know that WeChat meddled in at least the
00:06:45.020 last two elections. And according to the site task force, this latest one, they were using it to target
00:06:50.800 conservative candidates. And yet, nary a word about WeChat ever. If you are looking for a social media
00:07:00.640 platform that is meddling in our democracies, targeting democracy voices, targeting Canadians,
00:07:08.560 you would crack down on WeChat. But it's very clear that Mark Carney is insistent on coming down on X.
00:07:15.900 And I'm worried about what that means. Because will that mean X is just going to say Canada is just
00:07:22.880 not worth the hassle and not allow access to Canadians? I wonder. We saw what Meta did. Meta said,
00:07:29.680 I'm not going to pay the shakedown. And so now Canadians are not allowed to post news links there.
00:07:35.600 So I wonder what this means for us. But this is, I think, hinting at a renewed Online Harms Act.
00:07:42.640 Well, it's interesting that they, you know, they talk, what we think about as free speech,
00:07:46.420 what we think about as independent journalism, they think is like a threat to the democracy or like
00:07:50.840 hate speech. And so they're literally, like, I can't imagine Canada, Canadian political discourse
00:07:55.840 without Twitter or X. Like, I actually can't imagine so much of the conversation, so much of the
00:08:00.760 dialogue, so much news is broken there. And it's almost like a collaborative form, right? Like,
00:08:04.960 I scroll through X every morning to figure out what to talk about my show. I see, you know,
00:08:09.440 tweets from you or tweets from other people in the space. And that's kind of how I get up to speed
00:08:14.240 and what, you know, what I want to dig into, what I want to research, what I want to talk about on my
00:08:17.960 show. And the idea that that could just go dark because Mark Carney decides that, you know,
00:08:22.600 it's bad for us is truly, truly terrifying.
00:08:26.400 Well, and again, look at Mark, what Mark Carney's focusing on. Did he say that it was a direct
00:08:31.760 attack on democracy, that the debates cancelled the media scrums? Actually, he never said really
00:08:38.420 anything about that. He never said, you know, that he never had a problem with journalists having to
00:08:45.620 fight the government to get into the debates. He, there's no possible way he is completely unaware
00:08:52.000 that his campaign kept calling the police on journalists over and over and over again. And
00:08:58.700 this isn't just targeting right-wing journalists or conservative journalists. We saw Kareem Assad,
00:09:04.560 who I don't really know where she falls down on the political spectrum. And I kind of like it that
00:09:08.340 way. She was basically persona non grata at Carney campaign events. And I don't think that's going to
00:09:14.740 change. We haven't really seen him be open and accessible to independent journalists. They've had
00:09:22.480 to shout their questions the way Chris Dacey has from the street or Alexa Lavoie last week from the
00:09:28.200 street. I can't imagine that things are going to change for the better.
00:09:32.440 Well, and there's, it's so tightly controlled, like folks might not understand this. Even
00:09:36.940 for the election night, right? We tried to send Sue Ann Levy. Sue Ann is a professional journalist,
00:09:42.300 a retired reporter for the Toronto Sun. I believe she wrote for the paper for some 30
00:09:46.760 plus years, right? She is by every definition, a mainstream media journalist. Now she works for True
00:09:53.920 North and they wouldn't let her in. They wouldn't let her in. And it really is like, if you're not part
00:10:00.600 of the government funded journalist click, like if you're not part of either the CBC or one of the
00:10:07.960 other outlets that takes money from the government, they literally just won't let you in the building.
00:10:12.680 I mean, it's, it's honestly, it's, it's, it's almost like a communist system, right? They say it's free
00:10:18.600 speech and, and premium of the press, but really it's controlled press because they only let people
00:10:23.720 that they've previously given money to or screened or decided that they're part of the Canadian
00:10:29.820 journalism establishment. They won't let anybody else in. And so it, it skews everything about
00:10:35.260 Canadian politics. Like the entire election campaign, the narrative was set by the reporters
00:10:39.800 in the room who were asking questions day in and day out. And you exclude half the country by
00:10:44.500 excluding independent press and all of the people who get their news from us. And you're not really
00:10:49.320 fighting a fair, fair battle because they're fighting the issues, both conservatives and liberals
00:10:53.380 are fighting an election based on the left-wing issues. The issues that the left-wing media decide
00:10:58.020 are the issues. And they're not talking about the issues that we care about and the things that
00:11:01.740 we want to know about, the things that we're uncovering and digging up. And so it's just
00:11:05.540 fundamentally unfair. And it's, it's, it's funny that they don't even recognize that.
00:11:09.800 Well, I think they, I think they do because I think they know they lose on the issues that normal
00:11:15.140 people care about. Crime, housing, immigration, cost of living, inflation. They know that if they are
00:11:24.400 forced to campaign or argue or defend the liberal positions on those issues, they lose every single
00:11:29.560 time. So what, how do you avoid talking about that? Well, you just make sure that the people who are
00:11:35.520 going to ask those sorts of questions are no longer in the room. And I think we're also missing a really
00:11:40.540 important part of this. And that is that the mainstream media, the taxpayer funded government
00:11:47.160 money contaminated journalists are the enforcers in all of this because the government knows they
00:11:52.840 can't enforce this directly a lot of times because that will result in a charter challenge. But you
00:11:59.200 know who can enforce the exclusivity and the boring questions asked by the mainstream media? Well,
00:12:04.280 that's the parliamentary press gallery. So they, this is this little cabal of journalists who get
00:12:09.700 together and say, we need exclusive access to these politicians. And so we can't let our competitors
00:12:17.080 come in here and expose us for not doing the job that we're paid to do on behalf of Canadians. So they keep
00:12:23.080 journalists like those at Rebel News out of the parliamentary press gallery. We don't get to ask the
00:12:28.380 politicians questions. And the media continues to get worse and worse and worse. It's like watching it slowly
00:12:34.980 circle the drain of a toilet bowl, because it's just they keep doing things that reinforce just how bad they
00:12:41.420 are. And the government keeps giving the money correcting them from getting the, I guess, the market
00:12:48.280 correction they so rightly deserve. So I mean, you have to remember, there's, it's not just the government,
00:12:53.800 there's this cabal of journalists that are acting as enforcers on behalf of the government.
00:12:59.360 Well, it's so the most obvious, the time that this is the most obvious, I think, is watching the CBC. I
00:13:04.500 don't take any joy in watching the CBC. But when clips circulate, I pay attention. And I want to
00:13:09.560 point to this interview that was done with Andrew Scheer, Conservative MP, and CBC's Power and Politics
00:13:14.660 host, David Cochran. This happened late last week, where they're talking about monetary policy, right?
00:13:20.760 And sure, there's two schools of thoughts when it comes to monetary policy. There's sort of like the
00:13:24.920 Keynesian liberal idea. And then there's more like the free market conservative ideals, right? So Andrew
00:13:30.140 Scheer is talking about it from a conservative perspective. And David Cochran is
00:13:33.960 fact checking him with false information. Okay, so this is a bit of a longer clip. It's about a minute
00:13:39.020 long. I'm going to play it. And then I'm going to take a second to just reinforce again why David Cochran
00:13:44.060 is just promoting liberal ideas. He's lying about what's happened. And he's pretending that he's the
00:13:50.320 arbiter of truth. And he's trying to fact check a conservative MP. It's really unbelievable. Let's play that clip.
00:13:54.700 I'm incredibly optimistic about our ability to build off of our gains this time. And I'm optimistic that
00:14:01.100 we'll be able to finish the job in the next slide. Right. But you're part of me not be able to rely
00:14:04.560 on post-COVID inflation crisis that was fueled by, you know, war in the breadbasket of Europe.
00:14:11.200 David, you know this. You know that inflation is caused when governments print money.
00:14:16.160 Well, okay. That's what the liberals did. The liberals flooded the economy with brand new cash.
00:14:20.160 They spent money. They didn't print money. The Bank of Canada did not increase the number of bank
00:14:24.700 notes in circulation in the economy. They used settlement balances. They used settlement balances to buy
00:14:29.720 government bonds to put liquidity. I'm not being dishonest. They created money out of thin air.
00:14:35.960 They massively expanded the money supply. You know this. They did not permanently increase the money
00:14:40.020 supply, Mr. Scheer. But anyway, I don't have an argument on monetary policy. They used settlement
00:14:43.200 balances to buy bonds to lower interest rates to put liquidity into the banking system. And then
00:14:47.360 they removed those settlement balances over time. So are you denying that there are that there is more
00:14:51.980 currency, whether it's digital or real, in the Canadian economy today? Are you denying? I'm saying
00:14:56.200 they use settlement balances and you're calling it money. There may be a small marginal increase,
00:15:00.640 but you know, it was, it is not the, anyway, everybody had, all right. Yeah. Okay. So that
00:15:06.200 sounded like a debate between a liberal MP and a conservative MP over monetary policy, but it
00:15:10.860 wasn't. CBC is actively out there pushing the liberal line. Okay. And it's a distinction without
00:15:15.120 a difference. Anyway, he's saying, oh, it was these settlements. So basically the idea is, yes,
00:15:19.660 the government of Canada pushed a whole bunch of money out, but they have a plan to retreat it and pull
00:15:23.840 it out eventually. So it's not the same as printing money, even though it has the same effect as
00:15:28.800 printing money. And that is exactly what has caused inflation. That is what we can all agree on. And
00:15:32.780 it was just so, to me, it was just so icky to see David Cochran just like really, you know, putting
00:15:38.260 his, digging his feet in. And I swear he has liberal talking points in front of him. He is repeating
00:15:43.460 the lines that Mark Carney and Mark Carney's staff and office gave him to read. So it's like, you know,
00:15:49.220 what's the point of even having liberal MPs? Why don't we just have CBC journalists
00:15:52.560 debate conservatives on the issues? The idea that the CBC is any kind of a, you know,
00:15:58.860 a neutral platform or the people who get to fact check anyone else, they have absolutely no business
00:16:04.000 fact checking because they don't have the facts on their side in the first place. What did you think
00:16:08.020 of that? You know, it's as much as I regret having to see Andrew Scheer go through that, it's nice to
00:16:15.640 see that we are not the only people that David Cochran lies about. As you know, David Cochran went on
00:16:22.400 national TV and said that Rebel News accreditation had been revoked from the post-debate scrums. That
00:16:28.240 was completely untrue. He maybe wasn't wise enough to keep his powder dry. I think that's what he had
00:16:35.720 hoped his conversations with the debates commission would turn into. But I mean, this is what $1.4 billion
00:16:41.700 and a promise to increase CBC funding by $150 million more buys you. It buys you a network that
00:16:52.660 acts as the communications arm of the Liberal Party of Canada. There was absolutely no bias there. And
00:16:58.260 you can, you can tell, you know, Andrew Scheer, or I'm sorry, there's absolutely no balance there. And
00:17:03.460 you could tell that Andrew Scheer, it's almost as though his audio was turned down so that they
00:17:08.300 weren't actually competing for the same set of years. It's so interesting. Yes. And our audience
00:17:15.060 will know David Cochran very well by this point, because we showed many, many clips of him during
00:17:19.320 the debates commissions, and just the absolute hysterical meltdown that he had. I have one more
00:17:23.280 clip of him not trying to pick on him. But well, I kind of am because he's so terrible. I am.
00:17:27.700 Yeah, he was speaking with Globe and Mail journalist Robert Fyfe. Robert Fyfe is supposed to be
00:17:32.140 like the grandfather of Canadian journalism. He's the one that gets all the scoops. And he's so stoic. And,
00:17:38.060 you know, a lot of people on the conservative side like him because he'll break stories. He's an equal
00:17:42.020 opportunist when it comes to breaking devastating stories about liberals and conservatives. But
00:17:45.980 here, he kind of like lets the mask slip a little bit. He's talking to David Cochran on the same show,
00:17:50.860 Power and Politics. I don't even want to repeat what he calls Pierre Polyev. I'll just, you can listen
00:17:55.580 to it for yourself. Let's play this clip. You have MPs that have told me that they found it really
00:18:02.060 difficult going door to door, because a lot of people were saying, we like some of the policies you're doing,
00:18:07.980 like, we think your leader's a dick. And we, really. And we think he is, you know, I'm sorry,
00:18:15.740 but that's what they're telling me. All right. I'm going to have some ombudsman's paperwork to fill
00:18:20.860 out before I go home tonight, I think. But yes, not in such language, but I have heard similar
00:18:26.220 sentiments expressed from conservative candidates. Right. So, okay. So just first of all,
00:18:32.300 the giddy laughing after, laughing hysterically, right? Again, how are we supposed to believe that
00:18:36.620 this is fair and balanced? This is the state broadcaster. This is why we have to pay $1.5
00:18:40.700 billion a year to get, first of all, foul language about the conservative leader. And let me just say
00:18:46.620 to Robert Fyfe, okay, that is not journalism. You're talking about a secondhand account. He spoke to MPs
00:18:52.060 who said that they were saying at the door that someone else said it. So someone else said it,
00:18:56.380 an MP heard it, an MP passed it along to Robert Fyfe. He doesn't, he doesn't speak in specific
00:19:00.860 enough terms for me to believe that that is a specific example, like saying, I have a specific
00:19:06.140 example. I have it on tape. No, he's just speaking broadly. They're basically just mocking Pierre
00:19:10.460 Pauli of making fun of him, saying what they all say about him behind closed doors. And it was so
00:19:14.940 shocking to, well, not so shocking, but so titillating to the CBC host and the other guests that they
00:19:19.580 couldn't control their laughter. They're laughing like squirrel girls about it. Sheila, could you imagine if,
00:19:25.180 I know this wouldn't happen. Imagine if you got invited on the CBC and you said something like that
00:19:29.260 about Mark Hardy. I have a feeling that David Cochran wouldn't be laughing like that. And I
00:19:33.580 have a feeling that you would not be invited back on the CBC if you did that about a liberal leader.
00:19:37.500 What do you think? I think you could hear a pin drop after I had said something like that. But
00:19:44.220 I'm from the prairies. We call what we just saw there a hen party. Usually involves middle-aged
00:19:49.420 women with too much time on their hands, but apparently that's what amounts to a CBC panel these days.
00:19:54.860 I wonder what that all cost us. Now, again, they're gossiping. This isn't news. This isn't
00:20:02.860 journalism. This is gossiping. And again, I am skeptical now of everything Bob Fyfe says. And that,
00:20:12.780 again, goes back to the debates. Because he went on TV and he said that independent journalists,
00:20:19.420 yours, mine, were in the debates scrum acting up and acting wild. Instead, we were the victims of
00:20:25.420 ongoing workplace harassment at the hands of the CBC and the other journalists in the room. But he
00:20:30.700 went on TV and completely lied, gossiped again, didn't know anything firsthand, just went on TV and
00:20:36.700 gossiped. So now I know that about Bob Fyfe. I'm skeptical that any conservative MP actually talked to
00:20:44.620 him about what they were hearing at the door, because he just peddles in gossip third hand.
00:20:49.420 Right. And if you are an MP watching this, and you're a conservative, don't trust legacy media.
00:20:54.380 What are you doing?
00:20:56.380 Like, just absolutely, hopefully the conservatives will finally take the cue and just stop talking
00:21:01.340 to the legacy media. I think Pierre Polyev did a pretty good job of this, of just saying like,
00:21:04.780 you know what, I don't need you. I'm going to go talk to other people. All right, Sheila, I can't let you
00:21:09.420 leave the show without just asking you very quickly about what's happening in Alberta.
00:21:14.300 Last week, Premier Danielle Smith made changes to the Citizens Initiative Act. And you hear a lot
00:21:19.980 of people online talking about referendum and independence for Alberta. So what's your take
00:21:25.260 on this whole thing? I think this is a long time coming. I've been around longer than I would like to
00:21:34.140 admit. And the separatist movement in Alberta, it sort of ebbs and flows, the tide comes in,
00:21:42.220 and then the tide recedes. I know one of the biggest wet blankets on a separatist movement
00:21:47.820 in Alberta was the election of Stephen Harper, actually all sort of went away. And then it was
00:21:53.100 rising when in the dying days of Rachel Notley's government, and then they got Jason Kenney, and it
00:21:58.380 all went away. And then it sort of came back when Jason Kenney wasn't exactly what everybody thought he
00:22:03.260 would be. And then Daniel Smith came and it went away again. But you've got a lot of people in this
00:22:10.300 province saying something has to change. There's a structural inequity that has gone back to the very
00:22:18.780 beginning, where in Alberta, we cannot vote blue any harder, with the exception of a couple of
00:22:24.220 historically left leaning ridings. Can't get any more conservative, and yet it gets us nowhere.
00:22:30.380 And they do feel culturally incompatible with the rest of the country. They do feel like they are
00:22:37.260 a distinct society out here. And I wouldn't say that they are wrong.
00:22:43.820 Daniel Smith, I think, has done the right thing. She fixed a piece of legislation that was doomed to
00:22:50.460 fail. It was a citizen-led initiatives act that you had to overcome an absolutely insurmountable barrier
00:22:59.020 within 90 days. She's rolled that back to 10% of the last election's number of people who voted,
00:23:08.380 which I think is about 170,000 as opposed to 600,000 before, and extended the time to collect signatures
00:23:14.860 from 90 days to 120. Now, I think this is fair. I think Alberta's future is whatever Albertans
00:23:22.300 should so choose it to be. And I think Daniel Smith, without conceding that she's a separatist,
00:23:28.060 and I don't think that she is, is, I think this gives people an opportunity to actually have their
00:23:34.460 voice heard. And when you see, it's like 30% of people are like, yeah, we'll go right now,
00:23:40.140 thank you very much, without any overtures from the Americans to match our assets, one for one.
00:23:45.420 Once you start talking like that, I think that number just keeps going up and up.
00:23:50.940 I think people write it off as fringe at their own peril.
00:23:55.180 Wow. I think, I think, I think you're right. I've known Premier Smith for a long time,
00:23:59.020 and she's never struck me as a separatist in any way. However, she is someone with a lot of integrity,
00:24:04.220 who really truly cares about Alberta, that will do whatever is best for Alberta, whatever it may be.
00:24:09.580 So that's the story that we are keeping an eye on very closely. All right, Sheila. Well,
00:24:14.460 thank you so much for your time and great to have you on the show. We'll have to have you on again
00:24:18.220 soon. Thanks so much. Thanks, Candace. All right, that's Sheila Gunn-Reed. I'm Candace Malcolm.
00:24:22.300 This is the Candace Malcolm Show. We'll be back again tomorrow with all the news. Thank you and God bless.
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