Juno News - China is walking all over Canada and Trudeau

00:00:00.000 Welcome to Canada's Most Irreverent Talk Show.

00:00:05.100 This is the Andrew Lawton Show, brought to you by True North.

00:00:13.440 Hello and welcome to you all. It is Wednesday, November 16th, 2022.

00:00:19.680 The Canada's Most Irreverent Talk Show is about to begin here on True North.

00:00:25.520 You're tuned in to the Andrew Lawton Show and I thank you very much.

00:00:28.760 It was a bit of a slower day before the Public Order Emergency Commission,

00:00:33.960 but I am going to talk about what's happened there because I think in general,

00:00:37.540 we're seeing the culmination of all of this evidence and testimony and documents

00:00:42.960 and all of that coming forward, which is continually chipping away at,

00:00:47.540 if not completely eroding, the federal government's narrative

00:00:51.680 about the necessity and the justification of the Emergencies Act.

00:00:56.060 So we're going to talk about that in a little bit of depth later on.

00:00:59.700 But I want to shift the spotlight to China, 0.93

00:01:03.000 which is not something I've talked about on the program in a while.

00:01:05.500 It's an issue that matters a great deal.

00:01:08.020 China is vastly becoming a global superpower

00:01:11.380 and you needn't look further than Canada to see it.

00:01:15.440 But on the global scene, it's incredibly important to start paying attention to this.

00:01:19.700 One issue which doesn't get nearly enough attention is China's Belt and Road Initiative.

00:01:24.380 This is a multi-trillion dollar investment plan that basically entraps the developing world

00:01:32.100 in economic colonialism.

00:01:34.740 But when you go to places like in the Caribbean or in Africa or poorer Asian countries,

00:01:40.600 you'll see all these brand new airports, bridges, highways.

00:01:43.680 It's all paid for by China. 0.62

00:01:47.100 And some have said this is debt-trap diplomacy.

00:01:49.120 No matter what, it is China extending its tentacles very far 0.66

00:01:53.860 so that there are trade networks connecting China with all reaches of the globe.

00:01:58.660 It's flipping around the old 15th century or 16th century mercantilism

00:02:04.260 to the benefit of China and the Politburo.

00:02:08.440 And it's not just economic influence, though.

00:02:10.880 It's also security influence as well.

00:02:13.180 There has been a vast infiltration of global institutions such as governments,

00:02:19.720 academic institutions, private sector organizations, corporate cultures

00:02:24.620 that have seen Chinese state operatives take on, in some cases, very prominent roles.

00:02:32.120 In many cases, it may be to advance the Chinese Politburo's agenda.

00:02:36.400 Maybe it's just to create economic ties.

00:02:39.060 In some cases, it is for the direct purpose of espionage.

00:02:44.160 Just this week, we had espionage charges against a Chinese operative

00:02:48.620 who had been working for Hydro-Quebec.

00:02:50.620 Now, what it is that he wanted from Hydro-Quebec that China was interested in,

00:02:55.440 I have no idea.

00:02:56.360 But the RCMP has accused Yue-Shang Wang,

00:02:59.320 who was a researcher for Hydro-Quebec, of espionage.

00:03:02.820 And they have now charged him and said he was illegally doing work

00:03:06.440 for Chinese institutions well-employed at Quebec's hydro-regulator.

00:03:10.580 This is just one of many cases.

00:03:12.460 We still don't have answers on exactly what was happening by those researchers

00:03:16.600 that were employed at Canada's only Level 4 biolab, the lab in Winnipeg,

00:03:22.340 which the government has gone through painstaking efforts

00:03:24.920 to conceal the documents connecting to that investigation.

00:03:30.620 So the evidence of Chinese infiltration is vast and ongoing.

00:03:35.600 We keep finding more and more examples of this,

00:03:38.340 not to mention politicians who have been compromised by China.

00:03:42.700 In the U.S., there was that Democrat presidential candidate,

00:03:45.940 Eric Swalwell, a couple of years ago.

00:03:48.060 In Canada, CSIS has made claims about Chinese influence of politicians as well,

00:03:53.600 including a former provincial cabinet minister in Ontario,

00:03:56.940 a former federal conservative member of parliament,

00:03:59.500 and possibly many more conservative MPs and liberal MPs alike.

00:04:05.080 That was not meant to be directed at one party.

00:04:07.760 It's that we know for a fact China has tried to support a network of 11 federal candidates.

00:04:16.340 And this was in the 2019 election.

00:04:18.160 They put money towards this.

00:04:19.840 They may have spread misinformation to go against incumbents,

00:04:23.420 but 11 federal candidates, not all of them liberal.

00:04:26.960 And this list has not yet been presented of exactly which candidates we're talking about.

00:04:31.700 We know in one case that Kenny Chu, who will be on the show in just a few moments' time,

00:04:37.480 he was targeted by the Chinese polar bearer.

00:04:40.420 Now, not targeted with support, targeted with opposition.

00:04:43.780 Perhaps they didn't like his strong support of Hong Kong

00:04:46.640 and his criticism of the Chinese regime.

00:04:50.520 But we know that China was using Canadian institutions and Canadian networks

00:04:55.380 to funnel money towards its chosen politicians.

00:04:58.980 And what are we supposed to say about this as a country?

00:05:01.340 Ah, well, it's no big deal.

00:05:02.780 It's no big threat.

00:05:03.900 The world is still treating Chairman Xi Jinping as being the partner in climate,

00:05:08.660 because if you are a partner in climate,

00:05:10.780 it doesn't actually matter what else you do.

00:05:12.540 You can get a seat at the big boys' table.

00:05:15.400 And when it comes to criticizing China's genocide of Uyghurs in its Xinjiang province,

00:05:22.460 even then, Justin Trudeau will clam up and refuse to call a spade a spade.

00:05:27.500 This is what happened when he was asked about this on one of his foreign junkets this week.

00:05:32.980 Today, you took an emotional tour of Cambodia's Genocide Museum.

00:05:36.700 Tomorrow, you're going to be at the G20 with China.

00:05:39.200 The Canadian Parliament has already called China's treatment of the Uyghurs a genocide.

00:05:43.900 So why haven't you?

00:05:49.920 As I've seen when I visited the Shoah Memorial, the Holocaust Memorial in Israel,

00:05:59.900 as I've seen, as I visited the Holocaust Memorial, the genocide memorial in Rwanda,

00:06:11.020 as I saw today, visiting and seeing the history of the genocide that happened here in Cambodia,

00:06:21.740 the word genocide, acts of genocide are things to be taken incredibly seriously as a world.

00:06:37.980 And we have objective, historical, expert processes to put in place those words and those designations.

00:06:51.720 We continue to call out vicious human rights abuses around the world,

00:06:57.160 including against the Uyghurs in Xinjiang by the Chinese government.

00:07:02.500 But designations of genocide need to be made by proper international authorities.

00:07:11.920 So he takes that little awkward pause there, says, well, remember, genocide is a big word,

00:07:24.120 and we don't just like throwing around those big words.

00:07:26.700 You know, that might be a defensible position if Justin Trudeau hadn't used the word genocide

00:07:32.760 to describe his own country.

00:07:35.520 Now, if you're going to be the guy that says, you know what, we really want to think carefully

00:07:50.980 about using the word genocide, that's perfectly fine. 0.98

00:07:53.360 But don't use it against yourself and not against China 0.99

00:07:56.900 and expect that you're not going to get called out on that.

00:07:59.480 But as we've seen, Justin Trudeau has a big China-sized blind spot in his foreign policy.

00:08:06.760 Like I mentioned, when it comes to climate change, he's all about working with China, 0.97

00:08:09.960 hobnobbing away.

00:08:11.200 He will have the frank discussions.

00:08:13.120 He'll finger wag about the abduction of the two Michaels.

00:08:16.840 But when push comes to shove, where is the tough talk?

00:08:19.580 And I think it's important to play this clip that's been going viral from Bali,

00:08:23.800 the site of the G20 summit, where Justin Trudeau had a bilateral meeting with Chairman Xi.

00:08:30.480 And Chairman Xi didn't like the news of the contents of that meeting

00:08:34.900 made its way into the press.

00:08:37.520 And he decided to take his concerns to Justin Trudeau directly.

00:08:41.540 Everything we discussed and leaked to the Pesach, that's not the purpose.

00:08:49.660 And that's not how the way the conversation was conducted.

00:08:55.040 If there is a sincerity on your part,

00:09:07.720 free and open and frank dialogue, and that is what we will continue to have.

00:09:11.500 We will continue to work constructively together,

00:09:14.660 but there will be things we will disagree on.

00:09:19.920 Let's create the conditions first.

00:09:27.840 Now, I'm not going to take Chairman Xi's side here just to own the libs, as they say.

00:09:33.240 I think the Chinese regime is an absolutely terrible institution. 0.99

00:09:37.480 I think Chairman Xi is a terrible man.

00:09:39.280 And I think that world leaders who kowtow to him,

00:09:42.040 like the World Health Organization did,

00:09:44.040 like Justin Trudeau has at times, should be ashamed of themselves.

00:09:48.120 But I also will point out the inherent weakness here,

00:09:51.240 which, I mean, by the way, I do enjoy that Justin Trudeau

00:09:54.920 didn't even wait for the translator to translate

00:09:57.220 before just like using the talking points of,

00:09:59.840 oh, no, we will always support in Canada free and frank dialogue and so on.

00:10:04.320 He's just like, I don't actually know what I think about that.

00:10:06.340 But maybe I like cutting off the translator 1.00

00:10:08.740 because if you know that you don't care what he's going to say.

00:10:11.700 But where's the tough talk?

00:10:13.700 What Chairman Xi is doing there is blaming Justin Trudeau

00:10:16.220 for not clamping down on the press, evidently,

00:10:19.260 for allowing the media to report about what the two discussed

00:10:23.060 when I don't think it would be appropriate

00:10:25.280 for there not to be some scrutiny

00:10:27.440 about what the two were talking about,

00:10:30.420 especially when Canadians were understandably asking Justin Trudeau about it.

00:10:34.680 Did you condemn the genocide against the Uyghurs? 0.90

00:10:37.460 Did you condemn the influence and infiltration of Canadian institutions?

00:10:43.080 Why should Canada have to play nice with China 1.00

00:10:46.580 when China is out there trying to trample all over Canadian democracy? 0.96

00:10:51.400 We're going to talk to two men who know this file very well.

00:10:55.760 One is Garnet Jenis, the Conservative MP, who will join us very shortly.

00:10:59.640 And also Kenny Chu, the former Conservative MP,

00:11:02.720 who I've talked to about this issue in the past.

00:11:05.280 Kenny, it's good to have you back.

00:11:06.500 Thanks for coming on today.

00:11:08.360 Thank you for having me, Andrew.

00:11:10.380 Good to talk to you.

00:11:12.160 Let me just bring up the 2019 election

00:11:14.240 because you sounded the alarm about this.

00:11:16.420 And I think a lot of people kind of dismissed it

00:11:19.720 when you pointed out that there were some irregularities here

00:11:22.480 and that certainly you knew that you were the subject

00:11:25.560 and the target of misinformation campaigns

00:11:28.940 that were eerily similar to Chinese regime talking points here.

00:11:33.660 Information a couple of years later now reveals

00:11:36.260 that there were 11 federal candidates that China was backing.

00:11:41.140 And we haven't gotten the list of who those are.

00:11:43.140 But are you surprised by this, by the scale of this operation

00:11:47.200 in the 2019 election?

00:11:49.420 Not really, Andrew, because knowing what the Chinese communists 0.99

00:11:53.920 are capable of doing and their ambitions of performing,

00:11:59.720 influencing a country, an easy target like Canada

00:12:04.220 would be something they would do.

00:12:06.560 What I experienced in 2021,

00:12:10.980 it's something that would be even more outrageous and obvious

00:12:15.200 comparing to what CESIS has reported to Parliament and,

00:12:20.220 not Parliament, sorry, the Prime Minister's Office

00:12:22.500 and the Cabinet, certain selected ministers.

00:12:26.220 It would be even more so.

00:12:27.920 But with what happened in 2019,

00:12:31.960 CESIS now finally come to terms with it

00:12:35.240 and realize that there have been evidence of that happening,

00:12:39.120 I'm very curious to see what they're finding is for 2021,

00:12:44.340 not just because that I personally am involved,

00:12:48.200 but also because I know that there has been other cases

00:12:52.640 in 2021 election that China is interfering in our country.

00:12:58.660 So I'll ask about what you think the motivations are

00:13:03.780 because in your case,

00:13:04.740 you had been a critic of the Chinese regime

00:13:08.620 and it was understandable.

00:13:10.460 I don't, not support, something I support,

00:13:12.040 but it's understandable that the Chinese regime

00:13:15.580 wouldn't want someone who's criticizing them.

00:13:17.620 Is your view that China is trying to vote

00:13:21.020 or get Canadians to vote out critics

00:13:23.360 or do you think they actively want to support people

00:13:26.240 that they think are going to be friendly to them?

00:13:29.940 It's both, Andrew,

00:13:31.540 because what they want to do

00:13:33.560 is to influence Canada's positions on many issues.

00:13:40.840 And let me just take this opportunity to say this.

00:13:43.860 It's not just China.

00:13:45.000 It is common for foreign countries

00:13:47.720 to actually want to influence and interfere

00:13:50.720 with our country's policy and directions.

00:13:55.360 You know, Russia and Iran are two of the, you know,

00:13:59.780 countries that have been named several times

00:14:02.300 by CESA's reports.

00:14:03.960 However, given what China is now capable of doing, 0.68

00:14:09.200 doing resource-wise,

00:14:10.860 and also ambitious in doing,

00:14:14.080 they are the most capable

00:14:15.700 and the most blatant

00:14:17.320 in doing what they are doing right now.

00:14:19.900 And so I'm not surprised.

00:14:21.880 I, you know,

00:14:22.700 I'm surprised by how our country has failed

00:14:26.500 to protect not just our democracy,

00:14:29.360 our democratic institution,

00:14:30.940 but also, you know,

00:14:33.440 to say it blatantly,

00:14:35.340 to protect our visible minority

00:14:37.500 because China is now influencing,

00:14:41.120 trying to capture all Chinese diaspora

00:14:45.120 and telling them that, you know,

00:14:47.660 China is the only country 1.00

00:14:48.760 that represent their good,

00:14:50.540 their well-being.

00:14:51.600 And that's not the case

00:14:53.100 in a peaceful, multiculturalistic country

00:14:56.720 like our country, Canada.

00:14:59.160 Yeah, and I mean,

00:15:00.200 some of those diaspora challenges

00:15:01.960 are quite killing.

00:15:03.460 There was a story that came out,

00:15:05.100 I think it was a few weeks back or so,

00:15:07.500 where we found out that China

00:15:08.900 was managing these overseas police stations,

00:15:12.060 for lack of a better term,

00:15:13.260 and trying to give Chinese citizens

00:15:16.040 or Chinese nationals

00:15:17.480 who live in countries around the world,

00:15:19.520 including Canada,

00:15:20.700 a place to go

00:15:21.580 that seems to subvert law enforcement

00:15:24.440 in those countries.

00:15:25.640 So there is an active challenge,

00:15:28.140 it seems like,

00:15:28.760 for China's regime

00:15:29.980 to extend its reach

00:15:32.520 beyond its own territorial borders.

00:15:36.060 Absolutely, Andrew.

00:15:37.100 It's not the first time, though.

00:15:39.460 In 2015, if I recall,

00:15:42.480 Mr. Sam Cooper,

00:15:43.900 an investigative journalist,

00:15:45.640 he had already reported

00:15:46.840 that the Chinese police

00:15:48.480 are functioning in Canada.

00:15:49.980 And we know that Lai Chung-Sing,

00:15:53.080 a fugitive running away

00:15:54.600 from the Chinese communists,

00:15:57.000 he also reported

00:15:58.260 that he's been almost kidnapped successfully.

00:16:01.980 back to China.

00:16:03.700 The only difference is

00:16:05.260 the CCP now,

00:16:08.440 they have activated

00:16:09.900 people in the diaspora

00:16:12.040 into providing a location

00:16:14.400 and to help them

00:16:16.020 in doing so.

00:16:17.460 And that is very dangerous

00:16:19.100 because it now involves

00:16:20.920 Canadian citizens

00:16:21.880 doing what they're not supposed to do

00:16:24.040 and violating

00:16:24.800 what they're promised to Canada.

00:16:26.420 So, I know it's not

00:16:29.440 a silver bullet solution,

00:16:31.640 I'm assuming,

00:16:32.200 because we're talking

00:16:32.960 about an infiltration

00:16:33.960 that takes place

00:16:34.820 on a variety of fronts.

00:16:36.640 We know there's influence

00:16:37.820 in academia,

00:16:38.780 clearly in politics,

00:16:40.120 in elections,

00:16:40.860 and in media.

00:16:41.980 But what do you think

00:16:43.000 is the first step

00:16:43.900 to getting serious about this?

00:16:45.360 To make it

00:16:50.240 a non-partisan issue,

00:16:53.140 you know,

00:16:53.460 we must learn

00:16:54.800 from the Australians

00:16:56.540 who,

00:16:57.740 even though

00:16:58.400 has a far more dependency,

00:17:01.140 economic dependency,

00:17:02.140 on trade with China,

00:17:03.540 and yet they still

00:17:05.260 prioritise

00:17:06.320 their country's interests

00:17:08.180 way above

00:17:09.020 the partisan politics

00:17:10.180 that we're seeing

00:17:11.240 in Ottawa right now.

00:17:12.700 And if we do that,

00:17:14.400 if the Liberals

00:17:16.540 are more cooperative

00:17:17.840 with the NDPs

00:17:20.300 and the Conservatives

00:17:21.240 in, for example,

00:17:22.960 labelling what's happening

00:17:24.560 in Xinjiang, China,

00:17:26.500 as genocide,

00:17:27.400 say, for example,

00:17:28.540 upholding what Canada's 0.97

00:17:30.320 long respected value

00:17:32.280 of human rights

00:17:33.640 and, you know,

00:17:35.820 rule of law,

00:17:36.680 et cetera, et cetera,

00:17:37.800 well, you know what?

00:17:39.000 China will get the message. 0.88

00:17:40.520 China gets the message 0.96

00:17:41.400 that it doesn't matter

00:17:42.380 who is in Ottawa,

00:17:44.680 who is the government.

00:17:46.520 You know,

00:17:46.900 this is a national interest

00:17:48.680 that they will be upholding.

00:17:50.340 However,

00:17:51.020 by not doing it,

00:17:52.080 by not exercising

00:17:54.440 their political responsibility,

00:17:59.460 we are actually sending out

00:18:00.960 a message

00:18:01.380 message to the Iranians,

00:18:02.940 the Russians,

00:18:03.740 and the Chinese 0.83

00:18:04.520 that we are weak.

00:18:08.100 We're a country

00:18:09.400 that are naive,

00:18:11.480 that are idealistic,

00:18:13.120 and we're not serious

00:18:14.600 about protecting

00:18:15.320 our own interests.

00:18:16.200 Why do you think

00:18:18.640 this is such a blind spot

00:18:20.240 for the Liberals?

00:18:21.040 Because there's a large

00:18:22.260 Chinese-Canadian community

00:18:23.920 in this country,

00:18:24.880 and almost everyone

00:18:25.960 I've met within that community

00:18:27.240 is a proud

00:18:28.780 and patriotic Canadian,

00:18:30.080 and the reason

00:18:30.780 they're here,

00:18:31.320 by and large,

00:18:31.820 is because they were

00:18:32.440 trying to get away

00:18:33.020 from the Chinese regime,

00:18:34.560 and I'm not saying

00:18:35.160 there aren't some

00:18:35.780 that may be here

00:18:36.900 that are still loyal

00:18:37.920 to that government,

00:18:39.440 but by and large,

00:18:40.300 I would think,

00:18:41.340 from my experience,

00:18:42.340 that Chinese-Canadians

00:18:43.360 want the government here

00:18:44.620 to take a strong position.

00:18:45.820 So why do the Liberals

00:18:47.960 find themselves

00:18:49.100 having so much difficulty

00:18:50.540 doing that?

00:18:52.740 In my own opinion,

00:18:54.560 my, I believe,

00:18:56.020 is a Liberal idealism.

00:18:58.360 It's a byproduct

00:18:59.120 of marrying

00:19:00.400 a Liberal idealism

00:19:01.700 with, you know,

00:19:04.540 very crude benefits

00:19:08.360 in doing trades,

00:19:10.640 in getting money,

00:19:12.660 and, you know,

00:19:13.420 getting donations.

00:19:14.180 We know that

00:19:14.880 the Prime Minister,

00:19:16.060 just by doing dumplings,

00:19:18.100 he gets, you know,

00:19:19.920 tons of donations

00:19:21.220 from many of these

00:19:23.000 very wealthy immigrants

00:19:25.180 and also citizens.

00:19:27.020 And idealism,

00:19:28.520 I mean,

00:19:28.800 if you look at

00:19:29.460 what Justin Trudeau's

00:19:30.840 father believed

00:19:31.980 about communism,

00:19:33.380 he has a romantic idea

00:19:35.320 of what communism is,

00:19:36.920 and he establishes

00:19:38.300 a very good relationship

00:19:39.960 with China

00:19:40.640 right in the middle

00:19:41.760 of China's

00:19:44.020 cultural revolution

00:19:45.700 that actually destroys

00:19:47.140 the cultural fabric

00:19:48.880 and the cultural soul

00:19:50.520 of this thousand-year-old China 0.53

00:19:53.760 and pitting fathers,

00:19:56.100 sons against fathers,

00:19:57.960 students against teachers,

00:19:59.900 destroying the entire society's moral.

00:20:02.220 And yet,

00:20:03.600 Justin Trudeau's father

00:20:04.840 believed that,

00:20:05.660 you know,

00:20:06.220 China,

00:20:07.140 the communist China,

00:20:08.820 it's actually something

00:20:09.660 that, you know,

00:20:10.560 he could ally with.

00:20:12.040 So with that kind of education,

00:20:14.160 with that kind of familial background

00:20:16.680 that is in place,

00:20:18.140 I'm not surprised

00:20:19.080 that Justin Trudeau

00:20:20.120 started with

00:20:21.620 an idealistic,

00:20:23.560 you know,

00:20:24.740 leaning

00:20:25.120 and also bias,

00:20:26.880 you know,

00:20:27.700 favorable

00:20:28.080 to the communist Chinese.

00:20:31.200 Yeah,

00:20:31.840 and I mean,

00:20:32.300 I think,

00:20:32.960 I mentioned it earlier,

00:20:34.120 but the climate change example

00:20:35.800 is a very good one here,

00:20:37.200 that you get all of these people

00:20:38.880 that are butting heads 0.93

00:20:39.980 about issues like,

00:20:40.940 oh,

00:20:41.120 perhaps the two Michaels

00:20:42.060 when they were imprisoned

00:20:43.020 or human rights abuses,

00:20:44.980 but everyone thinks

00:20:45.680 they can all just sort of

00:20:46.520 set that aside

00:20:47.200 because climate change.

00:20:48.420 And I think that it was very rich

00:20:50.140 when Chairman Xi says

00:20:51.260 that it's on Trudeau

00:20:52.300 to build the conditions

00:20:53.320 for frank discussion

00:20:54.840 when China

00:20:55.560 hasn't really been interested

00:20:56.960 in doing that on its part.

00:20:59.760 But our prime minister

00:21:01.180 is rich

00:21:02.280 in

00:21:02.820 the

00:21:03.980 lip services

00:21:05.360 and also,

00:21:06.440 you know,

00:21:06.840 signaling virtual.

00:21:08.020 Yeah,

00:21:08.460 neither comes off

00:21:09.400 particularly well there.

00:21:11.060 But he is extremely

00:21:12.320 weak in

00:21:13.080 actions

00:21:14.000 and

00:21:14.620 showing,

00:21:16.000 you know,

00:21:16.540 the actions,

00:21:17.720 the steps

00:21:18.460 that he is willing to take.

00:21:19.680 For example,

00:21:20.620 I mean,

00:21:20.900 yes,

00:21:21.160 I'm a conservative

00:21:22.040 and I was a conservative MP,

00:21:24.420 but,

00:21:25.080 you know,

00:21:25.440 I don't support

00:21:26.140 the conservative

00:21:26.600 because I'm a conservative MP.

00:21:28.700 I supported it

00:21:29.460 because I think

00:21:30.060 that they have done

00:21:30.740 something right.

00:21:31.660 Stephen Harper,

00:21:32.360 for example,

00:21:32.960 year after year

00:21:34.000 has been asserting

00:21:35.220 Canada's North

00:21:36.380 and Arctic

00:21:37.100 sovereignty

00:21:38.200 by visiting it

00:21:39.500 and having

00:21:40.320 exercises there.

00:21:41.920 What has Justin Trudeau

00:21:43.060 done

00:21:43.440 in those areas?

00:21:44.980 And we know

00:21:45.560 that Russia 0.72

00:21:46.120 is now eyeing it

00:21:47.180 and even

00:21:47.780 the People's Republic

00:21:49.120 of China.

00:21:49.960 It's actually eyeing

00:21:51.060 our Arctic

00:21:51.880 sovereignty

00:21:52.800 and regions

00:21:53.480 right now.

00:21:54.360 So,

00:21:54.780 you know,

00:21:55.180 if you are serious

00:21:56.100 about,

00:21:56.740 you know,

00:21:57.220 running a country,

00:21:58.160 you have to act

00:21:59.100 like a leader.

00:22:00.540 You have to actually

00:22:01.240 take some

00:22:01.820 tough stance

00:22:03.180 and unfortunately,

00:22:04.840 Andrew,

00:22:05.060 I haven't seen that

00:22:06.000 from Justin Trudeau

00:22:07.560 much.

00:22:08.660 Former Conservative MP

00:22:10.040 Kenny Chu.

00:22:10.640 Thank you so much

00:22:11.340 for your insights

00:22:11.860 as always,

00:22:12.400 Kenny.

00:22:12.600 Good to talk to you.

00:22:13.840 Thank you,

00:22:14.180 Andrew.

00:22:15.260 Thank you.

00:22:16.360 Yeah,

00:22:16.840 and I think,

00:22:17.540 look,

00:22:17.820 I don't look at

00:22:19.240 that little exchange

00:22:20.500 between Justin Trudeau

00:22:21.880 and Chairman Xi

00:22:22.980 and say that,

00:22:24.540 oh,

00:22:24.700 well,

00:22:24.980 yeah,

00:22:25.240 Chairman Xi

00:22:25.680 really told

00:22:26.280 Justin Trudeau.

00:22:27.000 No,

00:22:27.220 I think it's

00:22:27.760 actually embarrassing.

00:22:28.700 It's embarrassing

00:22:29.140 for everyone.

00:22:29.880 It's embarrassing

00:22:30.380 that Chairman Xi

00:22:31.680 gets to just

00:22:32.500 waltz all around

00:22:33.360 and walk all over

00:22:34.840 and smack talk 1.00

00:22:35.540 politicians with impunity

00:22:36.820 and it's embarrassing

00:22:37.980 that Justin Trudeau

00:22:39.140 puts out the image

00:22:40.420 that he's the kind

00:22:41.140 of guy you can do

00:22:41.980 that to,

00:22:42.520 that he does not,

00:22:43.680 I mean,

00:22:44.900 whatever you think

00:22:45.820 of Donald Trump,

00:22:46.760 who I know

00:22:47.240 just got back

00:22:47.980 into politics yesterday

00:22:49.760 if he ever even

00:22:50.460 really left

00:22:51.000 by announcing his bid

00:22:52.040 for the Republican

00:22:53.480 nomination in 2024,

00:22:55.180 do you ever think

00:22:56.840 in a million years

00:22:58.100 that Chairman Xi

00:22:59.960 would have done

00:23:00.680 to Donald Trump

00:23:02.200 what he did

00:23:03.000 to Justin Trudeau today?

00:23:05.560 Again,

00:23:06.380 whatever you think

00:23:07.460 of Donald Trump,

00:23:08.460 no one would try

00:23:09.720 that with him,

00:23:11.440 least of all China.

00:23:12.560 And I think

00:23:14.160 there's a lesson

00:23:14.920 in that,

00:23:15.360 not that Justin Trudeau

00:23:16.440 needs to be

00:23:16.980 like Donald Trump,

00:23:18.760 but that we are not

00:23:19.840 just hapless bystanders

00:23:22.040 unable to do

00:23:23.680 something about it.

00:23:24.620 Yes,

00:23:24.900 we have to accept

00:23:25.800 that we have

00:23:26.460 a disparity

00:23:27.580 in size

00:23:28.500 and power

00:23:29.240 and influence

00:23:30.160 and economic strength,

00:23:31.260 that's all true.

00:23:32.320 But just because

00:23:33.100 we are smaller

00:23:33.980 and less powerful

00:23:35.260 and less wealthy

00:23:36.020 than China

00:23:36.600 does not mean

00:23:37.540 we as a country

00:23:38.200 are doomed

00:23:38.620 to let China 0.53

00:23:39.260 walk all over us.

00:23:40.360 But we have to start

00:23:42.180 taking these things

00:23:43.080 seriously.

00:23:44.060 And people can ask

00:23:44.900 the question,

00:23:45.420 well,

00:23:45.680 what do you expect

00:23:46.340 Canada to do?

00:23:47.420 Well,

00:23:47.820 I mean,

00:23:48.260 what's that old

00:23:49.460 like line

00:23:50.120 that a journey

00:23:50.700 of a thousand miles

00:23:51.720 begins with a single step

00:23:53.220 or something schmaltzy

00:23:54.060 like that?

00:23:55.040 We can talk about

00:23:56.280 the things that we

00:23:56.880 aren't doing right now.

00:23:58.560 We are not taking

00:23:59.880 our domestic security

00:24:01.740 against foreign threats

00:24:03.540 very seriously.

00:24:04.700 We are not demanding

00:24:06.140 accountability

00:24:06.760 and making noise

00:24:08.280 about all of the

00:24:10.340 things that have happened

00:24:11.780 with these Chinese 1.00

00:24:12.580 influence campaigns.

00:24:13.640 Why is there not,

00:24:14.740 why is it not

00:24:15.580 front page news

00:24:16.540 that we had a guy

00:24:17.760 who's accused

00:24:18.320 of spying for China

00:24:19.600 working for a public

00:24:21.220 utility in Canada?

00:24:22.460 Why has everyone

00:24:23.400 just conveniently

00:24:24.100 moved on

00:24:24.940 from that discussion

00:24:26.880 about the demand

00:24:27.620 for documents

00:24:28.360 and accountability

00:24:28.940 and information

00:24:29.880 about those Chinese

00:24:31.520 spies that were

00:24:32.280 working for Canada's

00:24:33.540 secret biosecurity lab?

00:24:35.320 Why has that not been

00:24:37.160 an issue that has

00:24:38.540 remained front and center?

00:24:40.860 Why have we not

00:24:41.800 started demanding

00:24:42.900 politicians tell us

00:24:44.060 who the 11 candidates

00:24:45.180 were?

00:24:45.880 Who did China 0.98

00:24:46.680 want to win

00:24:47.680 in 2019?

00:24:50.860 Don't you think

00:24:51.760 that's kind of

00:24:52.300 interesting information

00:24:53.320 when CSIS is saying

00:24:54.400 yeah, there were

00:24:55.160 11 candidates

00:24:56.240 that China was backing.

00:24:57.640 There was money

00:24:58.260 flowing to them

00:24:59.200 including through

00:25:00.280 an elected member

00:25:01.720 of provincial

00:25:02.500 parliament's office.

00:25:03.720 So you have

00:25:05.860 an elected MPP

00:25:07.560 who is either

00:25:08.680 deliberately

00:25:09.440 or unknowingly

00:25:12.680 serving the interests

00:25:15.160 of China

00:25:15.840 according to our

00:25:17.580 intelligence agency

00:25:18.740 the Canadian Security

00:25:19.740 Intelligence Service.

00:25:22.060 This strikes me

00:25:23.300 as the kind of stuff

00:25:24.440 that a serious country

00:25:25.740 would be interested

00:25:27.360 in getting to the bottom of

00:25:28.480 but I'm becoming

00:25:29.080 more and more convinced

00:25:30.040 that Canada

00:25:30.600 is not interested

00:25:31.960 in being a serious country.

00:25:35.020 We'll cover this more

00:25:36.700 and I would say

00:25:37.720 that the Globe and Mail

00:25:38.540 has done some

00:25:39.180 tremendous work on this.

00:25:40.220 Global News

00:25:40.700 has done tremendous work.

00:25:41.800 I'm not saying

00:25:42.180 that the media

00:25:42.660 is not covering China.

00:25:44.040 I'm saying that

00:25:44.740 the government

00:25:45.500 needs to be taking

00:25:46.420 this seriously

00:25:47.120 and you have to look

00:25:47.920 at what on earth

00:25:48.420 is wrong with them

00:25:49.240 when they don't.

00:25:50.440 And you cannot separate

00:25:51.920 their relative inaction

00:25:53.840 on some of these things

00:25:54.700 from the fact that

00:25:55.520 liberals were clearly

00:25:56.560 the beneficiaries

00:25:57.220 at least in large part

00:25:58.540 of this alleged

00:25:59.960 Chinese influence

00:26:01.080 of our elections.

00:26:02.020 So take from that

00:26:02.820 what you will.

00:26:03.800 I want to talk about

00:26:04.580 the Public Order

00:26:05.500 Emergency Commission

00:26:06.500 process here

00:26:07.280 for a couple of moments

00:26:08.740 because this is something

00:26:09.680 that continues to go.

00:26:11.340 Nothing as explosive today

00:26:13.020 as what we heard yesterday

00:26:14.160 from notably

00:26:15.260 the Commissioner

00:26:16.080 of the RCMP

00:26:17.080 Brenda Luckey

00:26:18.060 but still some

00:26:19.380 interesting revelations

00:26:20.720 that I think

00:26:21.420 we didn't get a chance

00:26:22.220 to talk about yesterday

00:26:23.720 that I would argue

00:26:25.600 are fairly significant

00:26:27.660 for us to understand

00:26:29.080 what's going on here.

00:26:30.140 And I want to first

00:26:31.380 remind you

00:26:32.440 this is a clip

00:26:33.260 from former Deputy

00:26:34.300 Public Safety Minister

00:26:35.240 Rob Stewart

00:26:35.900 that no Intelligence Bureau

00:26:38.640 or law enforcement agency

00:26:40.080 identified any

00:26:41.680 CSIS threat act.

00:26:43.740 Take it away Rob.

00:26:45.200 What Intelligence Bureau

00:26:48.500 or agency

00:26:49.860 or law enforcement agency

00:26:51.820 told the government

00:26:54.020 here's the evidence

00:26:55.720 of reasonable

00:26:56.960 and probable grounds

00:26:58.200 or reasonable grounds

00:27:00.060 of a Section 2

00:27:01.900 CSIS Act threat?

00:27:04.160 And you know

00:27:04.720 I take it now

00:27:05.600 because it's advised to you

00:27:06.820 that that's required

00:27:08.560 to invoke

00:27:09.240 the Emergencies Act.

00:27:10.440 It's in the documents.

00:27:11.500 You were advised of that.

00:27:12.780 Yes.

00:27:13.240 Right.

00:27:13.620 So what agency

00:27:15.320 gave you

00:27:16.400 the evidence

00:27:18.080 and the intelligence

00:27:19.140 that said,

00:27:21.120 hey,

00:27:21.440 we have reasonable grounds

00:27:22.780 of a Section 2

00:27:23.520 CSIS Act threat?

00:27:24.380 There wasn't one,

00:27:25.560 was there?

00:27:29.740 So let me

00:27:30.780 explain.

00:27:33.600 Nobody

00:27:34.160 bringing advice

00:27:35.860 to the table

00:27:36.300 other than

00:27:36.760 CSIS

00:27:37.480 is assessing

00:27:39.320 against that threat.

00:27:42.120 Nobody advising

00:27:42.820 the Cabinet.

00:27:43.660 The Cabinet

00:27:44.120 is making that decision.

00:27:45.720 And their interpretation

00:27:46.600 of the law

00:27:47.580 is what governs here

00:27:49.440 and the advice

00:27:50.460 they get.

00:27:50.900 And their decision

00:27:52.860 was evidently

00:27:54.980 that the threshold

00:27:55.800 was met.

00:27:56.600 With respect

00:27:57.200 to the ministers

00:27:59.740 making the decision,

00:28:00.900 when you're talking

00:28:01.940 about ministers,

00:28:02.580 you're talking

00:28:02.980 about the elected

00:28:03.760 executive,

00:28:04.500 correct?

00:28:05.360 I am.

00:28:05.980 All right.

00:28:06.340 So the Prime Minister?

00:28:08.080 Among others.

00:28:08.700 Right.

00:28:09.200 To your knowledge,

00:28:10.120 what training

00:28:10.860 in national security

00:28:12.120 and law enforcement

00:28:13.720 does the Prime Minister

00:28:14.580 have?

00:28:16.000 I couldn't answer

00:28:16.860 that question.

00:28:17.460 Yes.

00:28:17.660 Can you agree with me

00:28:18.560 that he doesn't have any

00:28:19.520 to your knowledge?

00:28:20.900 I couldn't answer

00:28:21.740 that question.

00:28:22.220 I'm sorry.

00:28:22.760 All right.

00:28:23.180 You have the RCMP,

00:28:25.660 you have CSIS,

00:28:27.400 you have the entire

00:28:28.400 intelligence apparatus

00:28:29.560 and the federal government

00:28:30.520 and none of them

00:28:32.160 said that this threshold

00:28:35.120 was met,

00:28:35.840 did they?

00:28:36.940 They weren't asked.

00:28:38.820 Okay.

00:28:42.160 I thought it would be

00:28:43.600 useful to go through

00:28:46.000 exactly what is required

00:28:48.120 for the Emergencies Act

00:28:49.840 to be justified

00:28:51.380 because there seems

00:28:52.720 to be certainly

00:28:53.400 if you follow

00:28:53.940 the Twitter discourse

00:28:54.740 on this,

00:28:55.360 a fair bit of

00:28:55.860 misinformation circulating

00:28:57.160 where people who

00:28:57.860 just don't like the convoy

00:28:59.480 and are satisfied

00:29:00.180 with the fact

00:29:00.880 that it was brought

00:29:01.760 to an end

00:29:02.420 believe that

00:29:03.720 that Machiavellian truth

00:29:05.280 that the ends

00:29:05.840 justify the means

00:29:07.060 applies here,

00:29:08.460 which it doesn't.

00:29:09.780 I went on a

00:29:10.720 somewhat lengthy

00:29:11.480 Twitter thread

00:29:12.560 this afternoon

00:29:13.520 in which I talked

00:29:14.620 about this

00:29:14.980 and I said

00:29:15.560 point blank,

00:29:16.460 you do not need

00:29:17.240 to support the convoy

00:29:18.720 to oppose

00:29:20.140 the Emergencies Act.

00:29:21.260 There are plenty

00:29:21.660 of people

00:29:22.020 that opposed

00:29:22.560 the convoy,

00:29:23.540 didn't agree

00:29:24.120 with the message,

00:29:24.920 didn't agree

00:29:25.300 with the tactics,

00:29:26.160 whatever,

00:29:26.880 but also understood

00:29:27.880 that the Emergencies Act

00:29:28.980 was a profound overreach

00:29:30.400 and I think it's important

00:29:31.720 before you just talk

00:29:32.560 about whether you

00:29:33.020 liked the outcome

00:29:33.860 or not,

00:29:34.720 I encourage people

00:29:35.800 to actually read

00:29:37.320 the law

00:29:38.280 and I'm going

00:29:39.000 to do this.

00:29:39.520 We're going to go

00:29:39.860 back to civics class

00:29:40.860 for just a moment here.

00:29:42.120 Two laws in particular

00:29:43.300 that are relevant.

00:29:44.000 One is the Emergencies Act

00:29:45.700 and speaking of CESIS,

00:29:47.440 the other is the

00:29:48.220 Canadian Security

00:29:49.280 Intelligence Service Act.

00:29:52.260 Now both of these

00:29:53.240 acts contain

00:29:54.480 information that is

00:29:56.100 critical to defining

00:29:57.200 when the Emergencies Act

00:29:59.100 can be used

00:29:59.920 and the first thing

00:30:01.180 we need to realize here

00:30:02.140 is that Justin Trudeau

00:30:03.400 invoked a public

00:30:04.900 order emergency.

00:30:06.300 So there are other

00:30:07.180 things in there.

00:30:07.880 There are public

00:30:08.380 welfare emergencies,

00:30:09.700 there are war emergencies,

00:30:11.180 all of that is in

00:30:12.320 the Emergencies Act.

00:30:13.220 We're talking about

00:30:14.060 part two,

00:30:15.080 a public order

00:30:16.200 emergency.

00:30:17.640 Now this must arise

00:30:19.220 from the following,

00:30:21.560 threats to the

00:30:22.760 security of Canada

00:30:24.100 and a situation

00:30:25.680 that is so serious

00:30:27.100 as to be a

00:30:28.000 national emergency.

00:30:29.960 So there are two

00:30:30.580 premises there.

00:30:32.140 Premise one

00:30:32.880 is that a public

00:30:34.040 order emergency

00:30:34.740 requires there to be

00:30:35.760 an emergency arising

00:30:36.840 from threats

00:30:37.520 to the security

00:30:38.540 of Canada.

00:30:39.540 The second premise

00:30:40.900 is that it has to be

00:30:41.860 so serious

00:30:42.860 as to be

00:30:44.000 a national emergency.

00:30:46.660 Premise one

00:30:47.280 you see defined

00:30:48.140 underneath there.

00:30:49.660 Threats to the

00:30:50.260 security of Canada

00:30:51.060 that is defined

00:30:51.840 by the Canadian

00:30:52.620 Security Intelligence

00:30:53.620 Service Act

00:30:54.320 section two.

00:30:55.760 Now let's take a look

00:30:56.900 at section two

00:30:57.680 of the Canadian

00:30:58.500 Security Intelligence

00:30:59.740 Act,

00:31:00.200 why don't we?

00:31:00.700 It lists four

00:31:02.580 criteria.

00:31:04.300 One,

00:31:04.720 espionage or

00:31:05.740 sabotage.

00:31:07.060 Two,

00:31:07.700 foreign-influenced

00:31:08.740 activities that are

00:31:10.200 detrimental to the

00:31:11.100 interests of Canada.

00:31:12.040 Now I should say

00:31:13.120 here that foreign-

00:31:14.480 foreign-influenced

00:31:15.460 activities refers to

00:31:16.660 state-influenced

00:31:18.080 foreign state actors,

00:31:19.380 not just

00:31:19.880 oh a guy in Iowa

00:31:21.700 donated to the

00:31:22.560 convoy.

00:31:23.500 Number three,

00:31:24.360 activities within or

00:31:25.480 relating to Canada

00:31:26.400 directed toward or

00:31:27.660 in support of the

00:31:28.620 threat or use of

00:31:30.240 acts of serious

00:31:31.220 violence against

00:31:32.120 persons or property

00:31:33.400 for the purposes of

00:31:35.100 a political,

00:31:36.000 religious or

00:31:36.500 ideological objective.

00:31:38.740 D,

00:31:39.400 activities directed

00:31:40.680 toward undermining

00:31:41.900 by covert unlawful

00:31:43.180 acts or directed

00:31:44.460 toward or intended

00:31:45.380 to ultimately lead

00:31:46.240 to the destruction

00:31:46.900 or overthrow by

00:31:48.160 violence of the

00:31:49.020 established system

00:31:49.860 of government in

00:31:50.580 Canada.

00:31:50.980 And there's a

00:31:51.360 caveat there that

00:31:52.500 this does not

00:31:53.320 include lawful

00:31:54.400 advocacy,

00:31:55.300 protest or

00:31:56.420 dissent.

00:31:57.560 So those are

00:31:59.080 threats to the

00:32:00.020 security of Canada.

00:32:01.880 There was a

00:32:02.460 great moment

00:32:03.300 early on in the

00:32:04.280 Public Order

00:32:04.720 Emergency Commission

00:32:05.560 when Brendan

00:32:06.140 Miller was talking

00:32:07.020 to an OBP

00:32:08.220 intelligence officer

00:32:09.120 and he went

00:32:09.500 line by line.

00:32:10.600 Was there

00:32:10.880 evidence of

00:32:11.380 espionage?

00:32:12.060 Was there

00:32:12.280 evidence of

00:32:12.740 sabotage?

00:32:13.500 Was there

00:32:13.740 evidence of

00:32:14.320 foreign-influenced

00:32:15.280 activities?

00:32:15.940 And so on.

00:32:16.740 And the answer

00:32:17.420 was no to

00:32:18.260 every single

00:32:18.940 one of them.

00:32:20.480 So all of

00:32:21.460 those are the

00:32:22.380 criteria or any

00:32:24.500 one of for a

00:32:26.040 threat to the

00:32:27.040 security of Canada.

00:32:28.120 there still is a

00:32:30.000 premise here that

00:32:31.120 we haven't

00:32:31.660 addressed.

00:32:32.480 Let's say there

00:32:33.560 is a threat to

00:32:35.080 the security of

00:32:35.940 Canada constituting

00:32:37.000 a public order

00:32:37.660 emergency.

00:32:38.400 It still has to

00:32:39.720 rise to the

00:32:40.440 level of being a

00:32:41.740 national emergency

00:32:42.920 which carries yet

00:32:44.060 another definition.

00:32:46.100 And the national

00:32:47.060 emergency, we go

00:32:47.960 back to the

00:32:48.420 Emergencies Act,

00:32:49.280 is an urgent or

00:32:50.700 critical situation

00:32:51.540 that seriously

00:32:52.200 endangers the

00:32:52.940 lives, health and

00:32:53.700 safety of Canadians

00:32:54.560 and exceeds the

00:32:56.060 capacity or

00:32:56.780 authority of a

00:32:57.420 province to

00:32:57.960 deal with it, or

00:32:59.380 seriously threatens

00:33:00.640 the ability of the

00:33:01.840 government of

00:33:02.300 Canada to preserve 0.71

00:33:03.200 the sovereignty,

00:33:04.080 security, and

00:33:05.060 territorial integrity.

00:33:07.300 And there's another

00:33:07.940 caveat there, it 0.79

00:33:09.280 cannot be

00:33:10.580 effectively dealt

00:33:11.760 with under any

00:33:12.880 other law of

00:33:14.160 Canada.

00:33:15.100 So there has to

00:33:16.360 be a threat to

00:33:17.040 the security of

00:33:17.740 Canada, and it

00:33:18.940 has to be so

00:33:19.860 large as to be

00:33:22.200 exceeding the

00:33:23.240 ability of

00:33:23.800 provincial

00:33:24.120 governments to

00:33:24.760 look after it

00:33:25.420 and not

00:33:26.200 something that

00:33:26.780 can be dealt

00:33:27.240 with within

00:33:27.700 existing laws.

00:33:29.760 So even if

00:33:30.760 there were an

00:33:31.420 established threat,

00:33:32.540 which I have not

00:33:33.240 heard any evidence

00:33:34.080 of, there still

00:33:35.440 is that additional

00:33:36.400 test that would

00:33:37.580 need to be met,

00:33:38.220 which I also

00:33:38.860 think is very

00:33:39.860 questionable,

00:33:40.320 because all of

00:33:41.020 these police

00:33:41.500 officials have

00:33:42.060 been saying,

00:33:42.860 yes, we could

00:33:43.460 do this under

00:33:44.040 existing laws.

00:33:45.340 And again,

00:33:45.780 there's no

00:33:46.120 carve-out for

00:33:46.760 police incompetence,

00:33:47.800 there's no

00:33:48.140 carve-out for,

00:33:49.280 oh, but the

00:33:49.720 OPP wasn't

00:33:50.460 getting along with

00:33:51.180 the Ottawa Police

00:33:51.880 Service.

00:33:52.420 That does not

00:33:53.380 justify the

00:33:54.540 Emergencies Act.

00:33:56.500 So all of

00:33:57.260 these questions

00:33:57.800 you might have

00:33:58.480 about whether

00:33:59.280 the government

00:33:59.800 should have

00:34:00.180 engaged protesters,

00:34:01.600 how police

00:34:02.100 should have

00:34:02.420 responded, how

00:34:03.680 long the

00:34:04.160 protests should

00:34:04.700 have gone

00:34:05.000 along, this

00:34:06.020 is all stuff

00:34:06.920 that we can

00:34:07.420 debate, and I

00:34:08.000 would encourage

00:34:08.460 us to debate

00:34:09.140 it.

00:34:09.600 But it has

00:34:10.320 nothing to do

00:34:11.020 with that

00:34:11.380 question of

00:34:12.140 law, which

00:34:12.760 is not a

00:34:13.160 normative

00:34:13.460 question, that

00:34:14.340 question of

00:34:14.840 law, was

00:34:16.000 the Emergencies

00:34:17.360 Act justified?

00:34:18.580 And I don't

00:34:20.280 think you can

00:34:20.940 say under

00:34:21.720 these circumstances

00:34:22.780 with all of

00:34:23.640 the evidence

00:34:24.060 that we've

00:34:24.480 heard that

00:34:25.740 it was.

00:34:26.260 Now, there

00:34:27.320 is one little

00:34:28.060 catch there,

00:34:28.680 there's one

00:34:29.060 asterisk that

00:34:29.780 I want to

00:34:30.160 share, and

00:34:30.520 that is that

00:34:31.180 the Public

00:34:32.400 Order

00:34:33.140 Emergency,

00:34:34.100 the Emergencies

00:34:34.920 Act, says

00:34:36.420 that it's when

00:34:37.280 the Governor

00:34:37.880 in Council,

00:34:38.940 so that's

00:34:39.400 Cabinet,

00:34:39.940 believes,

00:34:41.240 and has,

00:34:42.940 the word

00:34:43.740 they use is

00:34:44.500 reasonable

00:34:45.000 grounds,

00:34:45.960 believes on

00:34:46.560 reasonable

00:34:47.040 grounds that

00:34:47.620 a Public

00:34:47.940 Order

00:34:48.200 Emergency

00:34:48.580 existed.

00:34:49.560 So there

00:34:50.060 may actually

00:34:50.780 be for the

00:34:51.360 government some

00:34:51.920 wiggle room that

00:34:52.600 even though there

00:34:53.060 was clearly no

00:34:53.840 emergency, well,

00:34:54.560 they had reasonable

00:34:55.860 grounds to

00:34:56.620 believe, and

00:34:57.820 that's the

00:34:58.280 aspect to be

00:34:59.040 worried about

00:34:59.500 here.

00:34:59.780 So it's very

00:35:00.580 interesting to

00:35:01.380 note not just

00:35:02.440 what the facts

00:35:03.080 were on the

00:35:03.560 ground, but how

00:35:04.720 many of those

00:35:05.420 facts Cabinet

00:35:06.320 knew about,

00:35:07.760 which is why it

00:35:08.600 was very critical

00:35:09.320 to learn that

00:35:10.300 Cabinet knew about

00:35:11.260 the negotiations

00:35:12.080 with police,

00:35:12.840 that Cabinet

00:35:13.280 knew about the

00:35:14.800 fact that there

00:35:15.340 were no

00:35:15.660 weapons, that

00:35:16.320 Cabinet knew

00:35:17.100 all of these

00:35:17.940 things, because

00:35:18.380 that's proof that

00:35:19.160 their reasonable

00:35:19.840 grounds were

00:35:21.060 being obliterated.

00:35:22.160 So I believe

00:35:23.220 what we say in

00:35:24.080 the current

00:35:24.580 parlance is thank

00:35:25.540 you for coming

00:35:26.100 to my TED

00:35:26.820 Talk.

00:35:27.400 That is how the

00:35:28.460 Emergencies Act

00:35:29.320 works.

00:35:29.960 We will continue

00:35:30.800 to follow the

00:35:31.440 Public Order

00:35:31.980 Emergency

00:35:32.380 Commission and

00:35:33.100 Chinese influence,

00:35:34.020 which I think

00:35:34.360 constitutes more

00:35:35.180 of an emergency

00:35:36.120 in Canada than

00:35:37.060 the truckers ever

00:35:38.040 did, and lots

00:35:39.260 more.

00:35:39.680 I thank you so

00:35:40.400 much.

00:35:40.640 If you want to

00:35:41.020 support the work

00:35:41.580 we're doing at

00:35:42.060 True North,

00:35:42.760 please head on

00:35:43.360 over to

00:35:43.780 donate.tnc.news,

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00:35:47.640 and if you're

00:35:48.060 interested in

00:35:48.820 delving into what

00:35:50.500 truly happened in

00:35:51.700 Ottawa earlier this

00:35:52.640 year, you can pick

00:35:53.120 up a copy of my

00:35:53.760 book, The Freedom

00:35:54.960 Convoy, The Inside

00:35:56.060 Story of Three

00:35:57.180 Weeks That Shook

00:35:57.820 the World, and

00:35:58.280 thanks to all of

00:35:58.800 you who have

00:35:59.080 already read it and

00:36:00.220 enjoyed it.

00:36:01.160 To that effect, I

00:36:02.320 will say on

00:36:03.120 Saturday I'm going

00:36:04.440 to be in Whitby,

00:36:05.680 Ontario for Rebel 0.78

00:36:06.840 Live.

00:36:07.740 I'll be speaking

00:36:08.400 there, Tamara

00:36:09.080 Leach is going to

00:36:09.680 be speaking, Ezra

00:36:10.780 Levant, I believe

00:36:11.620 Arter Pulaski, I

00:36:13.160 think Maxine

00:36:13.720 Bernier is going to

00:36:14.320 be there, it's

00:36:14.760 going to be a lot

00:36:15.520 of fun, so if you

00:36:16.720 want to come out,

00:36:17.300 you can get tickets

00:36:17.940 at Rebel's website,

00:36:19.600 that'll be on

00:36:20.200 Saturday.

00:36:21.100 No idea when I'm

00:36:21.760 going to speak, but

00:36:22.440 hopefully we have a

00:36:23.240 good time, and if

00:36:24.400 you are there, do

00:36:25.080 come out and say

00:36:26.020 hello.

00:36:26.680 With that, I will

00:36:27.760 say farewell to

00:36:29.000 you all now, we'll

00:36:29.640 be back Friday for

00:36:30.580 Fake News Friday, and

00:36:32.080 then in Whitby on

00:36:33.280 the weekend.

00:36:34.020 Have a good one

00:36:34.480 everyone, thank you,

00:36:35.300 God bless, and

00:36:36.200 good day to you all.

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Juno News - November 17, 2022

China is walking all over Canada and Trudeau

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