Juno News - February 01, 2024


Christians are being targeted in Canada – where’s the outrage？


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22 minutes

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171.04768

Word Count

3,785

Sentence Count

208

Misogynist Sentences

1

Hate Speech Sentences

5


Summary


Transcript

00:00:00.000 Why does it take an American journalist and pundit, Tucker Carlson, to point out obvious truths about Canada?
00:00:06.740 Why is he the only one talking about the evils of our country's euthanasia program?
00:00:11.180 Why is he the only one talking about the rot in our society where we encourage and even pay for young Canadians to use deadly and harmful drugs?
00:00:18.700 We allow our government to trample on our rights and freedoms, rip apart our history and our traditions,
00:00:24.860 and we do nothing when over 90 churches are vandalized or burnt to the ground.
00:00:30.020 There is something deeply wrong here in Canada.
00:00:32.600 I'm Candice Malcolm and this is The Candice Malcolm Show.
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00:01:04.620 Okay, so as you saw, we had Tucker Carlson in town.
00:01:07.680 He was in Calgary and Edmonton last week.
00:01:09.660 Gave tremendous speeches in front of huge, huge live audiences.
00:01:13.780 The number of people that came out to see Tucker in person was tremendous.
00:01:17.400 It was inspiring.
00:01:18.120 He was joined by some of the greatest Canadians alive.
00:01:21.820 We're talking about Jordan Peterson, Sir Conrad Black.
00:01:24.560 We had Brett Wilson out there.
00:01:25.840 It looked like a great time.
00:01:27.520 Our own reporter, Rachel Emanuel, introduced Tucker at one of those events.
00:01:31.740 So we were pleased to be a part of it in some small way.
00:01:34.540 You know, I don't always agree with Tucker.
00:01:36.620 I don't always agree with people he interviews or the way he interviews.
00:01:39.820 But I did really appreciate what he had to say in Canada.
00:01:42.920 Sometimes it does take an outsider to come in and point out the truth, point out the facts,
00:01:47.760 things that people are too shy or too afraid to say.
00:01:51.400 You know, a lot of the topics that he brought up, like euthanasia, like the fact that we give drugs
00:01:55.780 or we legalize drugs and allow young people to use terribly deadly drugs.
00:01:59.560 What does that say about us as a society?
00:02:01.760 I think Canadians, generally speaking, are too polite, maybe too horrified to talk about these things.
00:02:08.240 They're just too sad and too hard.
00:02:10.140 And Tucker brought that up.
00:02:11.600 I want to zero in on something specific that Tucker talked about when he was talking about
00:02:17.380 how Canada treats its Christians, how Canada treats Christian pastors, Christian churches,
00:02:23.500 and basically, again, what that has to say about our society.
00:02:27.540 So I'm going to play a bit of a longer clip here.
00:02:29.640 This is from his speech on January 25th, talking about the treatment of Christians in Canada.
00:02:35.640 Take a look.
00:02:36.480 But take a look at what they're doing to your Christians.
00:02:40.140 And I say this for a couple of reasons.
00:02:41.240 I am a Christian, but that's not why I'm telling you this.
00:02:43.700 I'm telling you this because there's kind of no more inoffensive and peaceful group in the world
00:02:49.380 than the Christians.
00:02:50.740 In fact, there isn't.
00:02:52.220 Their religion tells them, commands them to turn the other cheek and to put the concerns of others
00:02:58.080 above their own concerns.
00:02:59.920 So if you have a problem with those precepts, explain it to me.
00:03:02.180 Speak slowly so I can understand.
00:03:03.300 I think every person in this room, regardless of your faith, can agree, yeah, I'm for that.
00:03:09.000 I wish I was more like that.
00:03:10.200 That's good.
00:03:10.740 We need more of those people in society.
00:03:12.720 Serve others for the sake of service.
00:03:15.300 So if you're hassling that group, maybe you've got another agenda that we should be concerned about,
00:03:21.580 even if we're not in that group.
00:03:22.740 If we burn 90 of their churches to the ground and the prime minister and his little weird buddies are endorsing that,
00:03:33.960 burning churches, if you're on the side of burning churches, let me just say,
00:03:37.240 I don't need any other facts of the case, you're on the wrong side.
00:03:40.540 If you're throwing preachers in prison for preaching the Christian gospel, not for hurting anyone,
00:03:47.420 not for making pipe bombs, not for trying to castrate other people's children,
00:03:52.740 not for importing millions of people into your country who are not going to have work,
00:03:58.200 just for the crime of preaching the Christian gospel, you go to jail at the same time
00:04:05.000 when they're encouraging your kids to do drugs and not just fentanyl but weed.
00:04:09.200 Don't raise your hand if you have a 15-year-old son, but come up to me after and tell me what you think of legalized weed.
00:04:15.320 For real.
00:04:16.020 And if you have a 15-year-old son, you know exactly what I'm talking about.
00:04:18.920 They did that to you and to your son on purpose.
00:04:22.740 And so in a country like that, in a world like that, if you think that preaching the gospel is so dangerous
00:04:30.040 that the people who do it need to be in prison in shackles,
00:04:33.860 you're serving someone other than the people of Canada, if you know what I mean.
00:04:38.000 So again, Tucker is absolutely right, and he's right to point this out.
00:04:41.680 I am happy to say that although some of the other issues that Tucker touched on,
00:04:46.400 talking about euthanasia, Canada's drug policies, we don't often talk about those things in public forums,
00:04:53.200 and we don't have those sort of policy debates in our country, unfortunately.
00:04:57.720 When it comes to the treatment of Christians, when it comes to the burning of churches
00:05:01.540 and the arresting of pastors, horrible, horrible treatment of pastors,
00:05:05.880 again, for the crime of preaching the gospel, trying to host church services for prayer
00:05:11.220 during that awful period of COVID, remember that time when you could go to the grocery store,
00:05:16.320 you could go to Walmart, you could go to the big box stores and buy things you could consume,
00:05:21.240 but heaven forbid you try to go to church, try to find solace in your community and pray to God.
00:05:26.800 With your community, that was considered beyond the pale,
00:05:29.580 and we saw multiple pastors arrested for that in Canada, in Canada of all places.
00:05:34.960 You know, usually you have Canadian leaders condemning the treatment of religious minorities
00:05:39.960 in other parts of the world.
00:05:41.400 You didn't really expect to see it here in Canada, but then COVID came, 2020 came around,
00:05:45.220 and all of a sudden we were living in an Orwell novel, and our pastors were getting arrested.
00:05:49.820 I'm pleased to say that with some distance and with some time, more people are talking about it,
00:05:54.660 more people are raising concerns and saying, hey, that wasn't right, what we did back then wasn't right.
00:06:00.460 And I'm pleased, specifically when it comes to the burning of churches,
00:06:05.660 that Pierre Polyev, a conservative leader, is finally taking this up.
00:06:09.100 This is just from a couple of days ago, January 22nd.
00:06:11.840 Pierre Polyev condemns Justin Trudeau for not acting to prevent the church burnings
00:06:17.160 and basically excusing them and doing nothing about it.
00:06:20.080 So here is Pierre Polyev.
00:06:21.500 In 2021, the Tekumas-Tay Shwetmik First Nation Bank government
00:06:25.500 said that they found the remains of 215 children
00:06:30.940 who were former students of the former Kamloops Indian Residential School.
00:06:35.820 The reality is that to date, not a single body has been discovered.
00:06:40.460 The banned government itself has revised the wording of their claim
00:06:44.420 to say that it's 200 probable graves, no mention of specific children anymore.
00:06:50.620 And the only way to know what's actually beneath the soil would be to excavate,
00:06:54.560 which the banned government has not done in two and a half years to date.
00:06:59.140 Meanwhile, in Canada, 96 churches have been burnt or vandalized across the country
00:07:04.420 since that initial claim was made.
00:07:06.800 Many of the fires are proven arsons,
00:07:09.560 and the vandals often leave messages that tie to the initial 215 kids' claim
00:07:15.440 buried in unmarked graves.
00:07:16.640 My question is, why, just like the leftist media, the NDP, the Liberal government,
00:07:23.620 are the Conservatives also so quiet about this truth and good news,
00:07:28.560 which is that to date, 215 children's remains have not been discovered there,
00:07:33.020 when that truth coming from political leaders could potentially
00:07:36.440 help set free Christian Canadians from attacks on their places of worship?
00:07:41.240 Thank you for your question.
00:07:43.620 I would disentangle two parts,
00:07:45.280 because there is no justification for burning down a church, period.
00:07:51.160 Regardless of the other information,
00:07:55.680 or regardless of the other justifications that people would claim to use,
00:08:03.100 there is never a justification to burn down a church.
00:08:05.960 And we as Conservatives have called for stronger criminal sanctions for arson
00:08:11.360 against all who carry out these attacks.
00:08:14.200 We've also called for more security infrastructure around places of worship
00:08:18.620 so that we can stop terrorists who burn down churches,
00:08:21.740 who attack mosques and synagogues.
00:08:24.320 Unfortunately, these crimes against religious communities
00:08:28.480 have raged out of control after eight years of Justin Trudeau's catch-and-release system,
00:08:33.240 after he has divided our country and turned people and groups against each other.
00:08:37.700 We have more violence directed against religious groups,
00:08:41.500 including Christians, than we have ever seen in Canadian history.
00:08:45.660 This is the result of Justin Trudeau.
00:08:47.860 He is not worth the cost, he is not worth the crime,
00:08:50.840 and he is not worth the country that we know and love.
00:08:52.980 And we should provide the resources to allow for full investigation
00:08:57.800 into the potential remains at residential schools.
00:09:06.020 Canadians deserve to know the truth,
00:09:09.100 and Conservatives will always stand in favour of historical accuracy.
00:09:14.640 None of this changes the fact that the residential schools
00:09:16.980 were an appalling abuse of power by the state
00:09:20.900 and by the church at the time,
00:09:25.080 and we need to move forward in a country that is free
00:09:28.360 so that every single Canadian,
00:09:30.720 whether their ancestry goes back tens of thousands of years
00:09:33.860 or whether they have been here for ten days,
00:09:36.640 has the freedom to live their life in prosperity and happiness.
00:09:41.540 Thank you.
00:09:41.900 So, good for Pierre.
00:09:43.620 I think it's a little late, but better late than never.
00:09:47.080 And again, it is incredibly important that we talk about these issues,
00:09:50.960 not just the fact that all of those churches were burnt to the ground,
00:09:54.100 but the reason for it, the reason for it, which Pierre mentions,
00:09:57.740 it was all in response to the fanatical news story
00:10:01.540 about residential schools,
00:10:03.480 the claim that unmarked graves were discovered,
00:10:07.040 that bodies were discovered, of course.
00:10:08.680 None of that is true.
00:10:09.360 We know that no bodies have been exhumed.
00:10:11.900 No bodies were discovered.
00:10:14.160 The process was totally suspect from the beginning.
00:10:17.660 True North were some of the only reporters brave enough to say
00:10:20.720 from the outset that that was wrong.
00:10:22.680 And again, I think this is another issue where the tide is starting to turn.
00:10:26.740 True North put out a book over Christmas.
00:10:28.800 It was called Grave Error.
00:10:30.040 It was a compilation of authors,
00:10:32.620 and it was edited by some very esteemed professors and PhDs.
00:10:37.220 Dr. Flanagan, who's a retired professor at the University of Calgary,
00:10:42.260 and Dr. Champion, who is the editor of the Dorchester Review.
00:10:46.040 They put together this wonderful book.
00:10:47.940 I'm pleased to say that it is doing really well.
00:10:50.100 It is selling really well.
00:10:51.440 Thousands of Canadians, probably tens of thousands of Canadians,
00:10:54.900 have read this book or reading this book.
00:10:56.460 It hit number one on Amazon.ca over the Christmas holiday.
00:11:00.200 It remains one of the best-selling books on Amazon.
00:11:02.480 For an independent publisher, you know, True North isn't a big publisher.
00:11:05.800 We don't have access to put books in bookstores and through all the chains.
00:11:09.480 You know, it's not going to end up on a Globe and Mail bestseller list.
00:11:12.760 But for an independent book like this one,
00:11:15.800 the fact that it has been sold so well,
00:11:18.080 the fact that it sold 2,000 copies in the first week alone,
00:11:21.260 and again, it hit number one on the entire website, Amazon, over Christmas,
00:11:26.700 I think it shows that people are really ready and willing to hear the truth.
00:11:31.740 They suspect that something wasn't quite right about the narrative
00:11:34.260 that was shoved down our throats
00:11:35.740 when the moral panic was happening about the unmarked graves.
00:11:40.780 And again, just pleased that this is happening.
00:11:43.160 Barbara Kay, an excellent columnist and journalist over at the National Post,
00:11:47.120 had a piece about it earlier this week.
00:11:49.820 This is what that looked like.
00:11:51.440 Successive residential school books shows that writers don't need big publishers.
00:11:54.900 And she talks about how important it is that Canadians talk about this,
00:11:58.840 including Pierre Polyev, who, again, has finally come around
00:12:01.680 to be willing to talk about this.
00:12:04.900 It does take some political courage to touch an issue like this
00:12:08.400 because it's so full of emotion
00:12:10.600 and the left will do everything they can to demonize you for even talking about it.
00:12:15.280 So good on Polyev to do that.
00:12:17.500 And I want to make special note to some reporting we did at True North
00:12:22.420 by our own Cosman Georgia.
00:12:24.140 Cosman is a senior reporter here at True North,
00:12:27.220 and he just did a tremendous job reporting on the Christian churches.
00:12:31.760 He documented every single time a church was vandalized
00:12:36.200 or burnt to the ground in the wake of that news story.
00:12:39.280 Remember the time when everyone was sort of excusing it?
00:12:41.640 People were even celebrating the fact
00:12:43.160 that Christian churches were being burnt down.
00:12:44.960 Well, Cosman did the hard work.
00:12:46.880 He put together this map.
00:12:48.980 This is one of the most read news stories in the history of True North and our website.
00:12:53.880 It continues to get a lot of views because we put it all together in one place
00:12:57.400 so people could see the scale of it, right?
00:12:59.220 This wasn't just a one-off incident where a church was being burnt down
00:13:02.160 on this side of the country and then again over here.
00:13:04.660 No, no.
00:13:05.140 This was a targeted attack at a religious community,
00:13:08.960 and it raised interest around the world.
00:13:10.920 So Cosman's reporting was picked up by multiple international news agencies
00:13:15.200 and media outlets, including the Wall Street Journal.
00:13:17.460 He briefed the Center for Security Policy,
00:13:19.860 which is a U.S. think tank focused on national security and policy,
00:13:23.480 and he talked about how Christians are being targeted in Canada.
00:13:27.320 So I want to bring Cosman Georgia on to give us a little bit of an update about his reporting.
00:13:31.860 So Cosman, thank you so much for joining us, and welcome to the program.
00:13:34.680 Thanks for inviting me.
00:13:35.780 So just tell us a little bit about sort of the origin of this reporting.
00:13:40.340 What led you to compile all this information?
00:13:43.400 What did the process look like, and what was the initial response?
00:13:47.660 Right.
00:13:48.280 So we were seeing an increasing number of these incidents,
00:13:52.440 of vandalism, of fires breaking out at churches,
00:13:55.780 and I noticed there was really a gap in the media reporting.
00:14:00.540 Nobody compiled all of the incidents in one place,
00:14:03.720 and I thought the most effective way of doing that was putting it all on a map
00:14:08.380 so people can see how widespread it really was.
00:14:12.940 I mean, if you look at the map itself,
00:14:15.460 these fires, these acts of vandalism are happening across the entire country.
00:14:20.500 I don't think there's a single province that hasn't been,
00:14:24.220 that is untouched by these acts of hate against Christians, quite frankly.
00:14:29.240 And so it was really useful to show the gravity of the situation in a visual way
00:14:36.200 for people to really understand what's happening.
00:14:40.520 And do you remember, like, you know, when it first happened, right?
00:14:43.640 This is, we're talking about 2021, so two and a half, almost three years ago.
00:14:48.540 Like, did it all happen in one big tidal wave?
00:14:50.840 Was it spread out?
00:14:51.880 I think I remember early reports.
00:14:53.420 It was like five or six, then it bumped up to 12,
00:14:55.780 and all of a sudden it was 30.
00:14:56.860 Like, how did it break down?
00:14:59.880 So I think when I put together the map,
00:15:03.340 and this was probably several months into the actual burnings happening,
00:15:08.700 I think we were up to 36, 30-something acts of vandalism and fire.
00:15:15.120 So it happened in a big burst,
00:15:17.760 and it's been happening continuously since then.
00:15:21.120 And I think, like, every month there's an act of vandalism, multiple acts, actually,
00:15:27.820 because we're at 96 now, and it's only been about two years.
00:15:31.740 So, Cosman, you've read a lot of news stories.
00:15:35.300 You've analyzed the information, done your own original reporting.
00:15:39.160 What is your assessment?
00:15:40.140 Like, who is behind this?
00:15:41.740 Who is doing this?
00:15:43.000 How is it that they haven't been caught or stopped?
00:15:46.000 Do you believe it's coordinated?
00:15:47.340 Do you believe it's sort of random or just sort of individual vigilantes?
00:15:51.620 Like, what is driving this, and who do you believe is behind it?
00:15:54.560 Well, I definitely think the narrative around residential schools,
00:16:00.840 the enmity that a lot of people feel towards,
00:16:04.380 not just the Catholic Church.
00:16:06.360 I mean, there's Ukrainian Orthodox churches.
00:16:09.260 There's, you know, Anglican.
00:16:11.500 There's Lutheran.
00:16:12.280 There's all sorts of churches being targeted.
00:16:14.840 It's just a broad brush of Christianity that's being attacked right now.
00:16:21.340 And so I think a large motivating factor was how the media and politicians
00:16:27.260 in this country spawned the narratives about the so-called, you know,
00:16:32.160 residential brave findings.
00:16:34.540 And we haven't even turned up a single phone yet.
00:16:37.360 And this kind of created a climate of hatred
00:16:40.980 and almost gave a green light to all of these subsequent acts.
00:16:48.440 You know, it's so interesting that you say that.
00:16:50.580 I remember the Liberal Minister of Heritage at the time
00:16:54.440 when they brought in their online safety bill,
00:16:57.020 so the bill that censors networks like True North
00:16:59.900 and podcasts like the one we're on right now.
00:17:02.180 He said that that would address the church burnings.
00:17:05.980 We had public figures, including the head of the B.C. Civil Liberties Association,
00:17:10.640 an organization that's supposed to be defending human rights
00:17:13.200 and individual rights like the right to freedom of religion.
00:17:15.940 She tweeted in the wake of all of this, burn it all down.
00:17:20.740 We had Gerald Butts, who's Justin Trudeau's at the time,
00:17:23.620 his principal secretary and his assistant, his best friend.
00:17:27.440 He said that it was understandable that these churches were being burnt down.
00:17:31.800 NDP MP Nikki Ashton actually celebrated the toppling of the statues
00:17:37.140 that were also happening around the same time.
00:17:39.580 The toppling of the statue of Queen Elizabeth II,
00:17:42.040 and as well as Queen Victoria, saying that these were acts of decolonization
00:17:47.480 and then including a little heart emoji for good measure.
00:17:51.140 So rather than the figures, establishment figures and leaders in this country
00:17:55.500 condemning these acts of violence against a religious group,
00:18:00.940 we actually had people cheering it on.
00:18:03.760 What was your reaction to that?
00:18:05.100 It was very troubling.
00:18:07.820 I mean, it's essentially incitement in some cases because it creates a climate
00:18:15.060 where people feel like they can do this without consequences
00:18:18.940 because our political leaders, rather so-called leaders, are not condemning it.
00:18:23.880 They're not launching investigations.
00:18:26.140 There hasn't been a federal inquiry into this
00:18:28.460 where we've reached 96 acts of property damage
00:18:33.780 targeting a specific religious community,
00:18:36.800 and there hasn't been one single committee to investigate this.
00:18:40.880 And it's, you know, quite honestly,
00:18:43.080 it is also sad that the conservatives have not pushed an investigation
00:18:47.440 into these acts because we could potentially cross the line
00:18:54.860 into acts of violence, whether it be a direct or a mistake.
00:18:59.460 What if there's somebody in those buildings
00:19:01.500 and one of these churches goes up in flames?
00:19:04.620 Well, and also, how would you just feel as a member of that congregation?
00:19:09.700 Would you really feel safe going to church every Sunday
00:19:12.460 or going to pray in the afternoons,
00:19:14.400 knowing that your religious community is being targeted,
00:19:17.500 that the church up the street was burnt down or vandalized?
00:19:20.720 I mean, you're right.
00:19:22.080 It does create a climate of fear.
00:19:25.580 And I will give Pierre Polyev some credit
00:19:27.780 because recently, I mean, I'm talking about very recently,
00:19:30.300 January 22nd, I played the clip off the top of the show
00:19:33.240 where he, Polyev did condemn this act
00:19:36.880 and said that there's no justification for burning down churches
00:19:40.000 and called on Trudeau to do more.
00:19:41.960 But again, you know, this is two years after the fact,
00:19:44.780 two and a half years, maybe three years after the fact.
00:19:47.280 Finally, we have a conservative leader
00:19:49.100 who's willing to voice these concerns.
00:19:51.800 But you're right.
00:19:52.560 I mean, the fact that the conservatives
00:19:54.200 haven't been pushing this from day one
00:19:57.180 shows that there was some fear.
00:19:58.600 Now, hopefully, they've gotten past that.
00:20:00.920 So, Kazma, as far as law enforcement,
00:20:04.240 is there any effort to sort of uncover who's behind this
00:20:09.380 or investigation to hold the people who have done this to account?
00:20:13.240 There have been a few arrests.
00:20:17.060 The latest one I know of was in Coronation, Alberta,
00:20:21.400 where a 23-year-old man was arrested after a church went up in flames.
00:20:28.640 There were some arrests.
00:20:30.380 I remember one incident of vandalism.
00:20:33.840 I think a woman in Vancouver splashed paint on a church.
00:20:38.740 This was pretty close to the residential school claims,
00:20:42.200 and she was arrested and charged.
00:20:46.220 But there's no broad, you know, hate investigation happening here.
00:20:51.440 And I think the police, unfortunately,
00:20:54.640 are not asking the right questions.
00:20:56.940 They are not looking into the political motivations
00:21:01.220 and the, you know, the hatred that exists behind these acts.
00:21:06.740 So, unfortunately, there...
00:21:09.580 And also, there hasn't been some national approach to this.
00:21:13.400 It's just single police forces investigating the incidents
00:21:18.920 as being isolated when, in fact, there is a pattern here.
00:21:23.340 And there's so many of them that we need to start considering
00:21:26.120 these incidents as connected to some degree
00:21:28.980 or at least looking into how they might be connected,
00:21:32.440 whether it's ideologically
00:21:33.940 or actually a network of people coordinating this.
00:21:39.940 Well, you know, sometimes it takes an outsider
00:21:42.000 to point out the obvious of what's happening in our country.
00:21:45.120 I was pleased that Tucker Carlson brought this up
00:21:48.020 during his speeches in Calgary.
00:21:49.640 The fact that he had that number right on the tip of his tongue
00:21:52.080 that there were 90-some churches burnt
00:21:53.720 means that he must be reading True North,
00:21:56.000 must be reading your reporting, Cosman.
00:21:57.900 So, great work. Keep it up.
00:21:59.780 And thanks for all the work you do here at True North.
00:22:02.980 Thank you, Candice.
00:22:04.120 All right. Thank you so much for tuning in.
00:22:05.920 I'm Candice Malcolm, and this is The Candice Malcolm Show.