Juno News - Christians are being targeted in Canada – where’s the outrage？

00:00:00.000 Why does it take an American journalist and pundit, Tucker Carlson, to point out obvious truths about Canada?

00:00:06.740 Why is he the only one talking about the evils of our country's euthanasia program?

00:00:11.180 Why is he the only one talking about the rot in our society where we encourage and even pay for young Canadians to use deadly and harmful drugs? 0.98

00:00:18.700 We allow our government to trample on our rights and freedoms, rip apart our history and our traditions,

00:00:24.860 and we do nothing when over 90 churches are vandalized or burnt to the ground.

00:00:30.020 There is something deeply wrong here in Canada.

00:00:32.600 I'm Candice Malcolm and this is The Candice Malcolm Show.

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00:01:04.620 Okay, so as you saw, we had Tucker Carlson in town.

00:01:07.680 He was in Calgary and Edmonton last week.

00:01:09.660 Gave tremendous speeches in front of huge, huge live audiences.

00:01:13.780 The number of people that came out to see Tucker in person was tremendous.

00:01:17.400 It was inspiring.

00:01:18.120 He was joined by some of the greatest Canadians alive.

00:01:21.820 We're talking about Jordan Peterson, Sir Conrad Black.

00:01:24.560 We had Brett Wilson out there.

00:01:25.840 It looked like a great time.

00:01:27.520 Our own reporter, Rachel Emanuel, introduced Tucker at one of those events.

00:01:31.740 So we were pleased to be a part of it in some small way.

00:01:34.540 You know, I don't always agree with Tucker.

00:01:36.620 I don't always agree with people he interviews or the way he interviews.

00:01:39.820 But I did really appreciate what he had to say in Canada.

00:01:42.920 Sometimes it does take an outsider to come in and point out the truth, point out the facts,

00:01:47.760 things that people are too shy or too afraid to say.

00:01:51.400 You know, a lot of the topics that he brought up, like euthanasia, like the fact that we give drugs

00:01:55.780 or we legalize drugs and allow young people to use terribly deadly drugs.

00:01:59.560 What does that say about us as a society?

00:02:01.760 I think Canadians, generally speaking, are too polite, maybe too horrified to talk about these things.

00:02:08.240 They're just too sad and too hard.

00:02:10.140 And Tucker brought that up.

00:02:11.600 I want to zero in on something specific that Tucker talked about when he was talking about

00:02:17.380 how Canada treats its Christians, how Canada treats Christian pastors, Christian churches,

00:02:23.500 and basically, again, what that has to say about our society.

00:02:27.540 So I'm going to play a bit of a longer clip here.

00:02:29.640 This is from his speech on January 25th, talking about the treatment of Christians in Canada.

00:02:35.640 Take a look.

00:02:36.480 But take a look at what they're doing to your Christians. 1.00

00:02:40.140 And I say this for a couple of reasons.

00:02:41.240 I am a Christian, but that's not why I'm telling you this.

00:02:43.700 I'm telling you this because there's kind of no more inoffensive and peaceful group in the world

00:02:49.380 than the Christians. 0.92

00:02:50.740 In fact, there isn't.

00:02:52.220 Their religion tells them, commands them to turn the other cheek and to put the concerns of others

00:02:58.080 above their own concerns.

00:02:59.920 So if you have a problem with those precepts, explain it to me.

00:03:02.180 Speak slowly so I can understand.

00:03:03.300 I think every person in this room, regardless of your faith, can agree, yeah, I'm for that.

00:03:09.000 I wish I was more like that.

00:03:10.200 That's good.

00:03:10.740 We need more of those people in society.

00:03:12.720 Serve others for the sake of service.

00:03:15.300 So if you're hassling that group, maybe you've got another agenda that we should be concerned about,

00:03:21.580 even if we're not in that group.

00:03:22.740 If we burn 90 of their churches to the ground and the prime minister and his little weird buddies are endorsing that,

00:03:33.960 burning churches, if you're on the side of burning churches, let me just say,

00:03:37.240 I don't need any other facts of the case, you're on the wrong side.

00:03:40.540 If you're throwing preachers in prison for preaching the Christian gospel, not for hurting anyone,

00:03:47.420 not for making pipe bombs, not for trying to castrate other people's children,

00:03:52.740 not for importing millions of people into your country who are not going to have work,

00:03:58.200 just for the crime of preaching the Christian gospel, you go to jail at the same time

00:04:05.000 when they're encouraging your kids to do drugs and not just fentanyl but weed.

00:04:09.200 Don't raise your hand if you have a 15-year-old son, but come up to me after and tell me what you think of legalized weed.

00:04:15.320 For real.

00:04:16.020 And if you have a 15-year-old son, you know exactly what I'm talking about.

00:04:18.920 They did that to you and to your son on purpose.

00:04:22.740 And so in a country like that, in a world like that, if you think that preaching the gospel is so dangerous

00:04:30.040 that the people who do it need to be in prison in shackles,

00:04:33.860 you're serving someone other than the people of Canada, if you know what I mean. 0.52

00:04:38.000 So again, Tucker is absolutely right, and he's right to point this out.

00:04:41.680 I am happy to say that although some of the other issues that Tucker touched on,

00:04:46.400 talking about euthanasia, Canada's drug policies, we don't often talk about those things in public forums,

00:04:53.200 and we don't have those sort of policy debates in our country, unfortunately.

00:04:57.720 When it comes to the treatment of Christians, when it comes to the burning of churches

00:05:01.540 and the arresting of pastors, horrible, horrible treatment of pastors,

00:05:05.880 again, for the crime of preaching the gospel, trying to host church services for prayer

00:05:11.220 during that awful period of COVID, remember that time when you could go to the grocery store,

00:05:16.320 you could go to Walmart, you could go to the big box stores and buy things you could consume,

00:05:21.240 but heaven forbid you try to go to church, try to find solace in your community and pray to God.

00:05:26.800 With your community, that was considered beyond the pale,

00:05:29.580 and we saw multiple pastors arrested for that in Canada, in Canada of all places.

00:05:34.960 You know, usually you have Canadian leaders condemning the treatment of religious minorities

00:05:39.960 in other parts of the world.

00:05:41.400 You didn't really expect to see it here in Canada, but then COVID came, 2020 came around,

00:05:45.220 and all of a sudden we were living in an Orwell novel, and our pastors were getting arrested.

00:05:49.820 I'm pleased to say that with some distance and with some time, more people are talking about it,

00:05:54.660 more people are raising concerns and saying, hey, that wasn't right, what we did back then wasn't right.

00:06:00.460 And I'm pleased, specifically when it comes to the burning of churches,

00:06:05.660 that Pierre Polyev, a conservative leader, is finally taking this up.

00:06:09.100 This is just from a couple of days ago, January 22nd.

00:06:11.840 Pierre Polyev condemns Justin Trudeau for not acting to prevent the church burnings

00:06:17.160 and basically excusing them and doing nothing about it.

00:06:20.080 So here is Pierre Polyev.

00:06:21.500 In 2021, the Tekumas-Tay Shwetmik First Nation Bank government

00:06:25.500 said that they found the remains of 215 children

00:06:30.940 who were former students of the former Kamloops Indian Residential School.

00:06:35.820 The reality is that to date, not a single body has been discovered.

00:06:40.460 The banned government itself has revised the wording of their claim

00:06:44.420 to say that it's 200 probable graves, no mention of specific children anymore.

00:06:50.620 And the only way to know what's actually beneath the soil would be to excavate,

00:06:54.560 which the banned government has not done in two and a half years to date.

00:06:59.140 Meanwhile, in Canada, 96 churches have been burnt or vandalized across the country

00:07:04.420 since that initial claim was made.

00:07:06.800 Many of the fires are proven arsons,

00:07:09.560 and the vandals often leave messages that tie to the initial 215 kids' claim

00:07:15.440 buried in unmarked graves.

00:07:16.640 My question is, why, just like the leftist media, the NDP, the Liberal government,

00:07:23.620 are the Conservatives also so quiet about this truth and good news,

00:07:28.560 which is that to date, 215 children's remains have not been discovered there,

00:07:33.020 when that truth coming from political leaders could potentially

00:07:36.440 help set free Christian Canadians from attacks on their places of worship?

00:07:41.240 Thank you for your question.

00:07:43.620 I would disentangle two parts,

00:07:45.280 because there is no justification for burning down a church, period.

00:07:51.160 Regardless of the other information,

00:07:55.680 or regardless of the other justifications that people would claim to use,

00:08:03.100 there is never a justification to burn down a church.

00:08:05.960 And we as Conservatives have called for stronger criminal sanctions for arson

00:08:11.360 against all who carry out these attacks.

00:08:14.200 We've also called for more security infrastructure around places of worship

00:08:18.620 so that we can stop terrorists who burn down churches,

00:08:21.740 who attack mosques and synagogues.

00:08:24.320 Unfortunately, these crimes against religious communities

00:08:28.480 have raged out of control after eight years of Justin Trudeau's catch-and-release system,

00:08:33.240 after he has divided our country and turned people and groups against each other.

00:08:37.700 We have more violence directed against religious groups, 1.00

00:08:41.500 including Christians, than we have ever seen in Canadian history.

00:08:45.660 This is the result of Justin Trudeau.

00:08:47.860 He is not worth the cost, he is not worth the crime,

00:08:50.840 and he is not worth the country that we know and love.

00:08:52.980 And we should provide the resources to allow for full investigation

00:08:57.800 into the potential remains at residential schools.

00:09:06.020 Canadians deserve to know the truth,

00:09:09.100 and Conservatives will always stand in favour of historical accuracy.

00:09:14.640 None of this changes the fact that the residential schools

00:09:16.980 were an appalling abuse of power by the state

00:09:20.900 and by the church at the time,

00:09:25.080 and we need to move forward in a country that is free

00:09:28.360 so that every single Canadian,

00:09:30.720 whether their ancestry goes back tens of thousands of years

00:09:33.860 or whether they have been here for ten days,

00:09:36.640 has the freedom to live their life in prosperity and happiness.

00:09:41.540 Thank you.

00:09:41.900 So, good for Pierre.

00:09:43.620 I think it's a little late, but better late than never.

00:09:47.080 And again, it is incredibly important that we talk about these issues,

00:09:50.960 not just the fact that all of those churches were burnt to the ground,

00:09:54.100 but the reason for it, the reason for it, which Pierre mentions,

00:09:57.740 it was all in response to the fanatical news story

00:10:01.540 about residential schools,

00:10:03.480 the claim that unmarked graves were discovered,

00:10:07.040 that bodies were discovered, of course.

00:10:08.680 None of that is true.

00:10:09.360 We know that no bodies have been exhumed.

00:10:11.900 No bodies were discovered.

00:10:14.160 The process was totally suspect from the beginning.

00:10:17.660 True North were some of the only reporters brave enough to say

00:10:20.720 from the outset that that was wrong.

00:10:22.680 And again, I think this is another issue where the tide is starting to turn.

00:10:26.740 True North put out a book over Christmas.

00:10:28.800 It was called Grave Error.

00:10:30.040 It was a compilation of authors,

00:10:32.620 and it was edited by some very esteemed professors and PhDs.

00:10:37.220 Dr. Flanagan, who's a retired professor at the University of Calgary,

00:10:42.260 and Dr. Champion, who is the editor of the Dorchester Review.

00:10:46.040 They put together this wonderful book.

00:10:47.940 I'm pleased to say that it is doing really well.

00:10:50.100 It is selling really well.

00:10:51.440 Thousands of Canadians, probably tens of thousands of Canadians,

00:10:54.900 have read this book or reading this book.

00:10:56.460 It hit number one on Amazon.ca over the Christmas holiday.

00:11:00.200 It remains one of the best-selling books on Amazon.

00:11:02.480 For an independent publisher, you know, True North isn't a big publisher.

00:11:05.800 We don't have access to put books in bookstores and through all the chains.

00:11:09.480 You know, it's not going to end up on a Globe and Mail bestseller list.

00:11:12.760 But for an independent book like this one,

00:11:15.800 the fact that it has been sold so well,

00:11:18.080 the fact that it sold 2,000 copies in the first week alone,

00:11:21.260 and again, it hit number one on the entire website, Amazon, over Christmas,

00:11:26.700 I think it shows that people are really ready and willing to hear the truth.

00:11:31.740 They suspect that something wasn't quite right about the narrative

00:11:34.260 that was shoved down our throats

00:11:35.740 when the moral panic was happening about the unmarked graves.

00:11:40.780 And again, just pleased that this is happening.

00:11:43.160 Barbara Kay, an excellent columnist and journalist over at the National Post,

00:11:47.120 had a piece about it earlier this week.

00:11:49.820 This is what that looked like.

00:11:51.440 Successive residential school books shows that writers don't need big publishers.

00:11:54.900 And she talks about how important it is that Canadians talk about this,

00:11:58.840 including Pierre Polyev, who, again, has finally come around

00:12:01.680 to be willing to talk about this.

00:12:04.900 It does take some political courage to touch an issue like this

00:12:08.400 because it's so full of emotion

00:12:10.600 and the left will do everything they can to demonize you for even talking about it.

00:12:15.280 So good on Polyev to do that.

00:12:17.500 And I want to make special note to some reporting we did at True North

00:12:22.420 by our own Cosman Georgia.

00:12:24.140 Cosman is a senior reporter here at True North,

00:12:27.220 and he just did a tremendous job reporting on the Christian churches.

00:12:31.760 He documented every single time a church was vandalized

00:12:36.200 or burnt to the ground in the wake of that news story.

00:12:39.280 Remember the time when everyone was sort of excusing it?

00:12:41.640 People were even celebrating the fact

00:12:43.160 that Christian churches were being burnt down.

00:12:44.960 Well, Cosman did the hard work.

00:12:46.880 He put together this map.

00:12:48.980 This is one of the most read news stories in the history of True North and our website.

00:12:53.880 It continues to get a lot of views because we put it all together in one place

00:12:57.400 so people could see the scale of it, right?

00:12:59.220 This wasn't just a one-off incident where a church was being burnt down

00:13:02.160 on this side of the country and then again over here.

00:13:04.660 No, no.

00:13:05.140 This was a targeted attack at a religious community,

00:13:08.960 and it raised interest around the world.

00:13:10.920 So Cosman's reporting was picked up by multiple international news agencies

00:13:15.200 and media outlets, including the Wall Street Journal.

00:13:17.460 He briefed the Center for Security Policy,

00:13:19.860 which is a U.S. think tank focused on national security and policy,

00:13:23.480 and he talked about how Christians are being targeted in Canada.

00:13:27.320 So I want to bring Cosman Georgia on to give us a little bit of an update about his reporting.

00:13:31.860 So Cosman, thank you so much for joining us, and welcome to the program.

00:13:34.680 Thanks for inviting me.

00:13:35.780 So just tell us a little bit about sort of the origin of this reporting.

00:13:40.340 What led you to compile all this information?

00:13:43.400 What did the process look like, and what was the initial response?

00:13:47.660 Right.

00:13:48.280 So we were seeing an increasing number of these incidents,

00:13:52.440 of vandalism, of fires breaking out at churches,

00:13:55.780 and I noticed there was really a gap in the media reporting.

00:14:00.540 Nobody compiled all of the incidents in one place,

00:14:03.720 and I thought the most effective way of doing that was putting it all on a map

00:14:08.380 so people can see how widespread it really was.

00:14:12.940 I mean, if you look at the map itself,

00:14:15.460 these fires, these acts of vandalism are happening across the entire country.

00:14:20.500 I don't think there's a single province that hasn't been,

00:14:24.220 that is untouched by these acts of hate against Christians, quite frankly.

00:14:29.240 And so it was really useful to show the gravity of the situation in a visual way

00:14:36.200 for people to really understand what's happening.

00:14:40.520 And do you remember, like, you know, when it first happened, right?

00:14:43.640 This is, we're talking about 2021, so two and a half, almost three years ago.

00:14:48.540 Like, did it all happen in one big tidal wave?

00:14:50.840 Was it spread out?

00:14:51.880 I think I remember early reports.

00:14:53.420 It was like five or six, then it bumped up to 12,

00:14:55.780 and all of a sudden it was 30.

00:14:56.860 Like, how did it break down?

00:14:59.880 So I think when I put together the map,

00:15:03.340 and this was probably several months into the actual burnings happening,

00:15:08.700 I think we were up to 36, 30-something acts of vandalism and fire.

00:15:15.120 So it happened in a big burst,

00:15:17.760 and it's been happening continuously since then.

00:15:21.120 And I think, like, every month there's an act of vandalism, multiple acts, actually,

00:15:27.820 because we're at 96 now, and it's only been about two years.

00:15:31.740 So, Cosman, you've read a lot of news stories.

00:15:35.300 You've analyzed the information, done your own original reporting.

00:15:39.160 What is your assessment?

00:15:40.140 Like, who is behind this?

00:15:41.740 Who is doing this?

00:15:43.000 How is it that they haven't been caught or stopped?

00:15:46.000 Do you believe it's coordinated?

00:15:47.340 Do you believe it's sort of random or just sort of individual vigilantes?

00:15:51.620 Like, what is driving this, and who do you believe is behind it?

00:15:54.560 Well, I definitely think the narrative around residential schools,

00:16:00.840 the enmity that a lot of people feel towards,

00:16:04.380 not just the Catholic Church.

00:16:06.360 I mean, there's Ukrainian Orthodox churches.

00:16:09.260 There's, you know, Anglican.

00:16:11.500 There's Lutheran.

00:16:12.280 There's all sorts of churches being targeted.

00:16:14.840 It's just a broad brush of Christianity that's being attacked right now.

00:16:21.340 And so I think a large motivating factor was how the media and politicians

00:16:27.260 in this country spawned the narratives about the so-called, you know,

00:16:32.160 residential brave findings.

00:16:34.540 And we haven't even turned up a single phone yet.

00:16:37.360 And this kind of created a climate of hatred

00:16:40.980 and almost gave a green light to all of these subsequent acts.

00:16:48.440 You know, it's so interesting that you say that.

00:16:50.580 I remember the Liberal Minister of Heritage at the time

00:16:54.440 when they brought in their online safety bill,

00:16:57.020 so the bill that censors networks like True North

00:16:59.900 and podcasts like the one we're on right now.

00:17:02.180 He said that that would address the church burnings.

00:17:05.980 We had public figures, including the head of the B.C. Civil Liberties Association,

00:17:10.640 an organization that's supposed to be defending human rights

00:17:13.200 and individual rights like the right to freedom of religion.

00:17:15.940 She tweeted in the wake of all of this, burn it all down.

00:17:20.740 We had Gerald Butts, who's Justin Trudeau's at the time,

00:17:23.620 his principal secretary and his assistant, his best friend.

00:17:27.440 He said that it was understandable that these churches were being burnt down.

00:17:31.800 NDP MP Nikki Ashton actually celebrated the toppling of the statues

00:17:37.140 that were also happening around the same time.

00:17:39.580 The toppling of the statue of Queen Elizabeth II,

00:17:42.040 and as well as Queen Victoria, saying that these were acts of decolonization

00:17:47.480 and then including a little heart emoji for good measure.

00:17:51.140 So rather than the figures, establishment figures and leaders in this country

00:17:55.500 condemning these acts of violence against a religious group,

00:18:00.940 we actually had people cheering it on.

00:18:03.760 What was your reaction to that?

00:18:05.100 It was very troubling.

00:18:07.820 I mean, it's essentially incitement in some cases because it creates a climate

00:18:15.060 where people feel like they can do this without consequences

00:18:18.940 because our political leaders, rather so-called leaders, are not condemning it.

00:18:23.880 They're not launching investigations.

00:18:26.140 There hasn't been a federal inquiry into this

00:18:28.460 where we've reached 96 acts of property damage

00:18:33.780 targeting a specific religious community,

00:18:36.800 and there hasn't been one single committee to investigate this.

00:18:40.880 And it's, you know, quite honestly,

00:18:43.080 it is also sad that the conservatives have not pushed an investigation

00:18:47.440 into these acts because we could potentially cross the line

00:18:54.860 into acts of violence, whether it be a direct or a mistake.

00:18:59.460 What if there's somebody in those buildings

00:19:01.500 and one of these churches goes up in flames?

00:19:04.620 Well, and also, how would you just feel as a member of that congregation?

00:19:09.700 Would you really feel safe going to church every Sunday

00:19:12.460 or going to pray in the afternoons,

00:19:14.400 knowing that your religious community is being targeted,

00:19:17.500 that the church up the street was burnt down or vandalized?

00:19:20.720 I mean, you're right.

00:19:22.080 It does create a climate of fear.

00:19:25.580 And I will give Pierre Polyev some credit

00:19:27.780 because recently, I mean, I'm talking about very recently,

00:19:30.300 January 22nd, I played the clip off the top of the show

00:19:33.240 where he, Polyev did condemn this act

00:19:36.880 and said that there's no justification for burning down churches

00:19:40.000 and called on Trudeau to do more.

00:19:41.960 But again, you know, this is two years after the fact,

00:19:44.780 two and a half years, maybe three years after the fact.

00:19:47.280 Finally, we have a conservative leader

00:19:49.100 who's willing to voice these concerns.

00:19:51.800 But you're right.

00:19:52.560 I mean, the fact that the conservatives

00:19:54.200 haven't been pushing this from day one

00:19:57.180 shows that there was some fear.

00:19:58.600 Now, hopefully, they've gotten past that.

00:20:00.920 So, Kazma, as far as law enforcement,

00:20:04.240 is there any effort to sort of uncover who's behind this

00:20:09.380 or investigation to hold the people who have done this to account?

00:20:13.240 There have been a few arrests.

00:20:17.060 The latest one I know of was in Coronation, Alberta,

00:20:21.400 where a 23-year-old man was arrested after a church went up in flames.

00:20:28.640 There were some arrests.

00:20:30.380 I remember one incident of vandalism.

00:20:33.840 I think a woman in Vancouver splashed paint on a church.

00:20:38.740 This was pretty close to the residential school claims,

00:20:42.200 and she was arrested and charged. 0.57

00:20:46.220 But there's no broad, you know, hate investigation happening here.

00:20:51.440 And I think the police, unfortunately,

00:20:54.640 are not asking the right questions.

00:20:56.940 They are not looking into the political motivations

00:21:01.220 and the, you know, the hatred that exists behind these acts.

00:21:06.740 So, unfortunately, there...

00:21:09.580 And also, there hasn't been some national approach to this.

00:21:13.400 It's just single police forces investigating the incidents

00:21:18.920 as being isolated when, in fact, there is a pattern here.

00:21:23.340 And there's so many of them that we need to start considering

00:21:26.120 these incidents as connected to some degree

00:21:28.980 or at least looking into how they might be connected,

00:21:32.440 whether it's ideologically

00:21:33.940 or actually a network of people coordinating this.

00:21:39.940 Well, you know, sometimes it takes an outsider

00:21:42.000 to point out the obvious of what's happening in our country.

00:21:45.120 I was pleased that Tucker Carlson brought this up

00:21:48.020 during his speeches in Calgary.

00:21:49.640 The fact that he had that number right on the tip of his tongue

00:21:52.080 that there were 90-some churches burnt

00:21:53.720 means that he must be reading True North,

00:21:56.000 must be reading your reporting, Cosman.

00:21:57.900 So, great work. Keep it up.

00:21:59.780 And thanks for all the work you do here at True North.

00:22:02.980 Thank you, Candice.

00:22:04.120 All right. Thank you so much for tuning in.

00:22:05.920 I'm Candice Malcolm, and this is The Candice Malcolm Show.

Juno News - February 01, 2024

Christians are being targeted in Canada – where’s the outrage？

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