Juno News - August 28, 2024


Citizenship to ILLEGAL Immigrants？ Toronto residents react

Topics
immigration rules incentives illegal immigrants and temporary workers
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Olivia Chow Harrison Faulkner
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14 minutes

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While the city of Toronto isn t satisfied with being a sanctuary city for illegal immigrants, they re now taking it upon themselves to advocate for regularizing illegal immigrants across the country. That means, in English, putting illegal immigrants on a pathway to permanent residency and eventually citizenship.

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00:00:00.000 Permanent residency should be given to people who are legally here.
00:00:04.300 They didn't follow the rules.
00:00:05.760 I just think that people should be able to move freely in this world.
00:00:08.900 Paying under the table, you know that? You know that's going on?
00:00:12.960 No, you're making it up.
00:00:22.520 While the city of Toronto isn't just satisfied with being a sanctuary city for illegal immigrants,
00:00:28.200 they're now taking it upon themselves to advocate for regularizing illegal immigrants across the country.
00:00:34.820 That means, in English, putting illegal immigrants on a pathway to permanent residency and eventually citizenship. 0.67
00:00:41.560 Last week in the building behind me, the city hosted its first ever Undocumented Residence Day,
00:00:47.300 in which the deputy mayor of Toronto, Asma Malik, advocated for regularizing all undocumented residents
00:00:54.440 and said that immigration rules uphold systems of colonialism and anti-black racism.
00:01:00.900 We amplify calls from community leaders and advocates for an immediate, broad, and inclusive regularization program
00:01:09.720 that provides pathways to permanent resident status for all undocumented residents.
00:01:15.360 Together, we will continue to dismantle systems of colonialism and anti-black racism,
00:01:21.120 and we reflect on the enhanced vulnerability that racialized communities with precarious immigration status experience.
00:01:29.020 Funny that we're now being told by far-left radical activists masquerading as political leaders
00:01:35.080 that immigration rules uphold systems of colonialism and anti-black racism,
00:01:40.400 when in reality, the immigration rules in place in this country right now have facilitated record population growth.
00:01:47.820 How racist are these immigration rules if we're getting millions of people into this country every single year 0.97
00:01:53.240 through different streams of our immigration rules?
00:01:55.820 And according to activist groups like the Migrant Rights Network,
00:01:59.860 there could be up to 500,000 illegals living in Canada.
00:02:04.180 Half a million illegals.
00:02:05.240 And the politicians behind me, including Olivia Chow, it would seem,
00:02:10.880 want to give permanent residency and citizenship to all 500,000 illegals.
00:02:16.660 What does that mean for those that immigrated to this country legally?
00:02:20.040 What does that mean for the rules that we have had in place for many years now
00:02:23.720 to facilitate proper immigration, not illegal immigration in this country?
00:02:28.840 If the argument is that immigration rules uphold systems of colonialism and anti-black racism,
00:02:37.060 then why have immigration rules at all?
00:02:39.760 Why not just have a complete open border and let anyone into this country with any background, 0.99
00:02:45.520 any set of skills, because according to the activists inside City Hall,
00:02:49.960 immigration rules are simply just racist.
00:02:52.880 We're going to ask people in this city what they think about the statements made by the deputy mayor of Toronto.
00:02:59.340 We're going to ask them if they think undocumented residents or illegal immigrants
00:03:03.380 should be given citizenship in this country.
00:03:06.620 And what they think about immigration rules in general.
00:03:09.340 Should there be immigration rules at all? 0.66
00:03:10.900 Or should we just have a completely open border and let anyone into this country? 1.00
00:03:14.600 Let's see what the residents of Toronto have to say.
00:03:17.340 I feel like there shouldn't be borders at all.
00:03:20.780 You don't think so?
00:03:21.560 No.
00:03:21.820 So you think that immigration rules are just, you know, well, the city says that immigration rules
00:03:27.540 uphold colonialism and anti-black racism.
00:03:30.940 Do you agree with that?
00:03:31.640 I agree with the city taking all of our tax money and not being accountable for it.
00:03:39.380 I don't know about the immigration.
00:03:40.700 Immigrants built this country, so we need immigrants. 1.00
00:03:44.640 We do.
00:03:45.020 We let in 1.3 million this year, the most ever.
00:03:48.260 And I don't think they're to blame for the hardships we're going through.
00:03:50.860 I think it's just lack of management because we're making, we get paid more,
00:03:53.920 we pay more than our fair share of taxes.
00:03:56.140 Like, with all these skyscrapers going up, I was thinking about it last night, 25 years ago,
00:04:01.840 they weren't expecting to have this many skyscrapers.
00:04:05.420 Where's all this money going?
00:04:06.540 Why do you think homes, for example, have doors and gates to provide security?
00:04:14.460 Do you think that there's a difference there?
00:04:16.480 Like, don't you think a country should be able to determine who and who doesn't come into their country and live there? 0.57
00:04:21.560 Did the natives get to determine who got to come here?
00:04:24.600 Yeah. The indigenous people of this country.
00:04:29.260 Well, I suppose not, but every other country has immigration rules.
00:04:33.640 What do you think about that?
00:04:34.620 Do you think that it's right for some countries to have immigration rules and not others?
00:04:39.200 No, I just think that people should be able to move freely in this world.
00:04:42.620 They're advocating for the federal government to grant illegal immigrants permanent residency.
00:04:48.060 What do you make of that?
00:04:49.140 I'm not so sure.
00:04:50.160 But it all depends on deserving cases if you have to review individually.
00:04:53.780 Do you think that something like this incentivizes people to not follow the rules that many people did by coming to this country, by following the immigration rules?
00:05:10.440 That is true. They didn't follow the rules.
00:05:13.120 But the problem with following the rules, I would say a challenge for them, is that have you ever seen, heard or read of the lineup and the bureaucracy involved in following the rule for immigration?
00:05:26.240 Oh, I've heard yes.
00:05:26.980 Well, there you have it. You have your answer right there.
00:05:29.640 Now, if they were to make it an efficient system to follow the rules in which they can reject or accept things, and I think that would be far better than trying to create an incentive for the illegal bunch.
00:05:47.720 Most of the immigrants come here because they're brought in as temporary workers, that sort of thing. 0.99
00:05:54.120 Well, of course, those are the illegal ones. I'm talking about those that have entered the country illegally or overstayed their visas.
00:05:59.900 Or overstayed their visas, yes.
00:06:01.180 So it's particularly important for that. Do you agree with that call?
00:06:03.280 Absolutely.
00:06:04.340 Yeah? And why is that?
00:06:05.040 Because if we were to send all the illegal immigrants back, as you're calling them, the construction industry in this city would fall apart. 1.00
00:06:13.480 These are people who are working, have jobs, are paying taxes off their wages, and they get nothing for it.
00:06:20.820 This is not the Canadian way of doing things. Apparently, it is. 0.96
00:06:26.780 So, yeah, we are not friendly to those people who are coming here and are contributing.
00:06:32.360 So, yes, we regularize them. Absolutely.
00:06:34.560 Okay, because if you're here illegally, then you wouldn't be able to work a proper wage because you wouldn't be able to have a bank account.
00:06:41.500 So those that are working and are illegal will be working under the table.
00:06:45.360 So temporary foreign workers and permanent residents, they can work. See what I mean?
00:06:50.680 Paying under the table, you know that? You know that's going on?
00:06:54.780 Well, I mean, if you're an illegal... 0.99
00:06:56.300 You're making it up. You're making it up.
00:06:59.040 Okay.
00:06:59.220 You don't know how they get their paychecks.
00:07:01.200 Most of them have to pay the same kind of tax as we do and get nothing for it.
00:07:06.620 So, yes, absolutely, those people need to be regularized.
00:07:10.020 We're taking advantage of them, as we do with temporary foreign workers and a lot of other people.
00:07:14.780 We ask them to come in, contribute to the country, and give them very little back.
00:07:18.520 And then when we're tired of them, we send them back.
00:07:21.140 No, that is not the way we should be doing things.
00:07:23.020 You think deportation should end for all illegal immigrants in Canada? That's what the city wants.
00:07:27.940 You're stretching it.
00:07:29.400 What we're doing is, if somebody commits a crime, then they go into the criminal justice system.
00:07:34.120 Otherwise, let's treat them like my grandfather was treated, who came here from England without any documents, 0.82
00:07:41.560 got himself a job and settled here, and I'm a result of that.
00:07:45.100 It was okay to do it when it was British citizens, part of the empire. 0.99
00:07:51.580 If you were white, then it was okay. 1.00
00:07:54.800 Now we're in a different time, and suddenly it's not Canadian to keep these people. 0.99
00:07:59.420 Yeah, regularized people who are coming here to do the same thing, I'm assuming your grandparents did, and my grandparents did.
00:08:05.920 We're asking Torontonians if they agree with the City Hall, City Hall last week that they called to give status to all undocumented residents in Canada.
00:08:15.060 Do you agree with that call?
00:08:15.960 Yeah, sounds great.
00:08:16.880 And why is that?
00:08:19.320 No one's illegal, man.
00:08:21.100 So do you think that people who are undocumented, who have not followed the immigration rules,
00:08:27.200 do you think that impacts those that have their immigration status?
00:08:30.420 No.
00:08:31.200 And why not?
00:08:32.940 Because, listen, we got jobs for everyone.
00:08:35.040 We got more than enough to go around.
00:08:38.240 It's about how it's distributed.
00:08:39.940 Last question I have for you is the deputy mayor last week said that immigration rules uphold systems of colonialism and anti-black racism.
00:08:48.040 Do you agree with that?
00:08:48.700 Do you think that the immigration rules are racist in nature?
00:08:52.280 Yes.
00:08:52.980 Look at how open we were to Ukrainians versus how open we are to refugees in the conflicts that are happening now,
00:09:02.720 not just in Palestine, but in Congo, Sudan.
00:09:05.520 We're not taking anywhere near the level we are, and it's because we have a preferential treatment for white people coming to this country. 1.00
00:09:11.660 It's good to welcome people into our country because our country is already, like, we have so much land that is not being used.
00:09:17.820 So why not put it to good use?
00:09:19.620 Do you think that this would reward those that have broken the law and then disincentivize others to follow immigration laws in the future?
00:09:28.280 I think that, like, giving people crap for immigrating, even if it is illegally, is wrong because it's still, like, they're most likely fleeing from a situation that is not good for them.
00:09:39.920 So I think it would actually, if we welcomed people, I think it would help, like, in making people feel like they could come legally to Canada.
00:09:49.180 And the last question I have for you is the deputy mayor last week said that the immigration rules uphold systems of colonialism and anti-black racism.
00:09:57.200 Do you agree with that?
00:09:59.300 That it upholds it?
00:10:00.880 Yeah.
00:10:01.340 That allowing immigrants upholds? 1.00
00:10:02.640 No, no.
00:10:03.160 That the current immigration rules upholds systems of colonialism and anti-black racism?
00:10:08.800 I think so, yes.
00:10:10.200 And why is that?
00:10:11.660 Well, because we, it's basically just allowing, not allowing people of colour to enter Canada if they want to. 0.99
00:10:18.180 And if they feel like they, like, if they apply and if they are denied, it's kind of giving them that, like, oh, they are not welcome here.
00:10:25.540 So it's still prioritizing, like, white people over people of colour for entry.
00:10:31.420 Illegal immigrants, they don't want them to be deported. 1.00
00:10:33.900 They want to give them all a status, essentially.
00:10:37.120 Do you agree with that, Cole?
00:10:37.940 Illegal immigrants?
00:10:38.880 Yeah.
00:10:40.060 Probably not.
00:10:40.780 No, I don't agree.
00:10:41.380 No?
00:10:41.940 Why is that?
00:10:43.240 I feel like if you need, if they want to incorporate people into our country and, like, our system, they should at least be legal. 0.82
00:10:50.940 That's it.
00:10:51.400 And do you, the deputy mayor said that the immigration laws in Canada facilitate anti-black racism and colonialism.
00:10:59.340 I'm guessing you don't agree with those statements either?
00:11:01.580 It would not make sense for me to agree with that, yeah.
00:11:03.920 Permanent residency should be given to people who are legally here, who, you know, go through a process, either a study permit, work permit, or any other thing, but not to illegal immigrants.
00:11:16.160 And do you think that giving PR to illegal immigrants lowers the value of Canadian citizenship for those that came to this country the right way and legally?
00:11:26.600 Yes, I think so.
00:11:27.580 I think priority should be given to people who came legally.
00:11:30.860 Either it's any permit, but priority should be given to legally people, yeah.
00:11:34.580 Many people don't know this, but Toronto is a sanctuary city.
00:11:38.880 It gives city services, shelters, and other programs to illegal immigrants, and it won't disclose their immigration status.
00:11:47.160 What do you make of that?
00:11:48.240 They've been doing it for over a decade now.
00:11:50.840 I had no clue about it.
00:11:53.340 I think they should look at the policies.
00:11:55.640 Whoever needs it, they should give it to them.
00:11:58.440 But I don't know about that, yeah.
00:12:00.280 The last question I have for you is the deputy mayor of Toronto.
00:12:03.220 Last week, she said that the rules in place for immigration, the immigration rules, uphold systems of colonialism and anti-black racism.
00:12:12.940 How would it be racist?
00:12:14.400 I think Canada is, you know, based on different culture-oriented people.
00:12:20.040 I don't think it's based on racism, yeah.
00:12:23.100 Because people from different worlds, like different parts of the world, they come here.
00:12:27.880 I don't think it's based on racism, no.
00:12:30.540 Well, we heard from Torontonians that no one is illegal, that there shouldn't be borders at all,
00:12:35.900 that illegal immigrants should be given all of the rights that are given to permanent residents and citizens,
00:12:42.220 and that the immigration system in Canada is itself racist.
00:12:46.380 In full agreement with what the SETI councillors were saying in the building behind me last week,
00:12:52.100 I guess it's not that surprising, however.
00:12:53.780 After all, it was Toronto residents who voted for Olivia Chow.
00:12:57.600 But think about this.
00:12:58.460 With all of the problems facing our country, facing this city,
00:13:01.920 the fact that our shelters are full of migrants, the fact that people are unemployed,
00:13:07.540 the fact that no one can really afford to buy a home anymore in this country, and everything is so expensive,
00:13:12.440 we have elected officials in the biggest city in Canada calling on the federal government
00:13:18.380 to allow all illegal immigrants to stay as permanent residents,
00:13:22.360 and then to turn around and say that anti-immigrant sentiment is on the rise.
00:13:27.340 Actually, I don't think anti-immigrant sentiment is on the rise.
00:13:30.520 I think people across this country are fed up with the fact that they can no longer afford to purchase a home,
00:13:36.100 that they can't seem to get entry-level jobs,
00:13:38.300 that their cities and their country is changing before their eyes,
00:13:43.060 and it was no longer the place that it was.
00:13:45.460 This country is extremely welcoming to immigrants.
00:13:48.760 The mayor herself is of an immigrant background.
00:13:52.640 Look around this country.
00:13:54.560 Business leaders, politicians have come to this country as immigrants
00:13:58.320 and have made something for themselves.
00:13:59.920 They've come here the right way.
00:14:01.520 They've come here legally.
00:14:02.720 So then to hear an elected official in this city tell us that our immigration system is racist and colonial
00:14:09.240 and therefore we need to allow illegal immigrants to come into this country and be given permanent residency
00:14:13.880 is a complete joke.
00:14:16.000 It devalues citizenship for those that have come to this country the right way, 0.91
00:14:20.020 who have followed the rules.
00:14:21.560 I'm almost certain that if I were to ask this question to people living somewhere else across this country,
00:14:25.720 of course we would get different answers.
00:14:27.020 But to those living in downtown Toronto, living in the bubble of Toronto,
00:14:33.160 I guess it's no surprise to hear that they believe Canada should have no borders at all.
00:14:38.700 From downtown Toronto, signing off, Harrison Falkman.
00:14:41.760 We'll be right back.
00:14:53.900 We'll be right back.
00:14:54.300 We'll be right back.