Juno News - Conservative Leadership Series： Erin O’Toole

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00:00:24.620 You may remember a couple of months back,

00:00:26.540 we set out to interview all of the candidates

00:00:28.640 seeking the leadership of the Conservative Party of Canada.

00:00:31.840 In-depth, face-to-face, wide-ranging interviews

00:00:34.720 about why it is they're running,

00:00:36.120 their visions for Canada, for the Conservative Party,

00:00:38.840 the whole shebang.

00:00:39.980 Unfortunately, we had to hit the pause button on that series

00:00:42.660 because the global pandemic made it unadvisable

00:00:45.400 and actually illegal in some ways

00:00:47.700 for us to do the in-person interview filming that we wanted to do.

00:00:51.920 Nevertheless, the race is continuing. 0.97

00:00:53.960 It's been kick-started again by the party

00:00:55.740 and the cutoff for new members to sign up

00:00:58.260 if they want to vote in the leadership race is May 15th.

00:01:01.460 So we wanted to continue the series

00:01:03.160 and talk to the candidates we haven't yet talked to.

00:01:06.080 And with that, it is my great pleasure to welcome Aaron O'Toole,

00:01:09.480 longtime Conservative Member of Parliament

00:01:11.260 and former Veterans Affairs Minister

00:01:13.160 and also former leadership candidate to the show here.

00:01:17.040 Aaron, it's good to talk to you.

00:01:18.000 I know we had hoped to do this in person,

00:01:19.660 but nevertheless, I'm grateful you were able to take the time today.

00:01:22.220 Thank you.

00:01:23.180 It's good to be back, Andrew.

00:01:24.060 So let's talk about why you're running now.

00:01:26.480 Obviously, you had a formidable showing in 2017

00:01:29.380 when you ran for the Conservative leadership.

00:01:31.660 We've had an election since then.

00:01:33.460 I think we've had a fairly significant discussion

00:01:35.900 about where the Conservative Party fits into the national political landscape.

00:01:40.540 What's making your run this time?

00:01:41.940 I'm even more driven to run this time, Andrew,

00:01:45.800 because I've seen just the damage Justin Trudeau

00:01:48.800 and the Liberal government has done to Canada.

00:01:50.640 I often say, think back to when Stephen Harper was Prime Minister.

00:01:54.440 Last year of his government, I was in cabinet.

00:01:56.920 I was at the table for a lot of decisions.

00:01:58.760 We had a balanced budget.

00:02:00.220 We had low taxes.

00:02:01.220 We had investment coming.

00:02:02.400 We had three pipelines in various stages of development.

00:02:05.420 The Bloc Quebecois was not an official party,

00:02:07.600 and no one had ever coined a term named Wexit.

00:02:11.580 Look at what weak leadership does.

00:02:13.460 Five years later, all of those things economically

00:02:16.180 were already out the window before COVID-19.

00:02:19.820 The Bloc Quebecois, the third party in the House of Commons,

00:02:22.860 they're back again, a Quebec-based separatist party,

00:02:26.120 and there's 250,000-plus Canadians who've signed up

00:02:29.600 for a Western separatist movement

00:02:31.040 that is created because of Justin Trudeau's

00:02:34.640 anti-development, anti-energy policies.

00:02:38.380 It just shows how dangerous weak leadership can be.

00:02:41.560 So I'm a committed conservative.

00:02:42.940 I'm in the House.

00:02:43.820 I've been fighting the fight.

00:02:44.980 I fell into line and fought behind Andrew Scheer.

00:02:48.220 Sometimes you serve your general.

00:02:49.840 Now I think I'm getting promoted,

00:02:51.300 and I need to be the general on the battlefield.

00:02:54.900 You've positioned yourself in the race,

00:02:56.960 your campaign theme, as being a true blue conservative.

00:03:00.120 And I think that one of the big narratives

00:03:02.620 to emerge after the election

00:03:04.100 is that the party needs to move more to the centre.

00:03:07.520 You're saying the opposite,

00:03:08.920 but I'm curious why you think that's the case,

00:03:10.900 but also why you're an example of someone

00:03:13.140 who is the opposite of that knee-jerk reaction

00:03:15.900 to move to the centre.

00:03:17.520 Well, I think that's been Peter McKay's kind of narrative.

00:03:20.900 And that is making the biggest mistake

00:03:23.620 Conservatives can make,

00:03:24.580 which is listen to what the Toronto Star

00:03:26.620 and the CBC suggest we should do.

00:03:28.660 There are already tons of options in the mushy middle.

00:03:33.280 In fact, sometimes it's hard for me to distinguish

00:03:35.300 the Liberal Party from the NDP or the Greens.

00:03:37.800 It seems like Elizabeth May is an honorary Liberal most days,

00:03:41.720 the way Trudeau treats her,

00:03:43.160 and I think they work together.

00:03:45.460 There's lots of options there.

00:03:47.380 We have to take the principled approach

00:03:49.100 we had under Stephen Harper

00:03:50.260 and learn from our losses.

00:03:52.560 I think we need more conservative-minded policies

00:03:56.160 on issues like the environment and other things.

00:03:58.540 Get them out there, defend our principles,

00:04:00.580 but then show Canadians how our free market approach,

00:04:03.740 our public safety approach,

00:04:05.680 our principled foreign policy

00:04:06.960 is actually in their interest,

00:04:09.880 the interest of their family

00:04:10.960 or the single senior living in rural Canada.

00:04:13.700 So I think we've got a good background to run on.

00:04:17.740 I think a lot of people like

00:04:18.920 the effective governance of Stephen Harper.

00:04:21.240 We just need to reconnect with people

00:04:23.620 and we need to articulate our conservative ideas

00:04:26.360 in new ways,

00:04:27.160 and that's what I'm committed to.

00:04:29.480 I've always known you to be

00:04:31.540 or to strive to be somewhat of a consensus builder.

00:04:34.460 For example, I know when M103 came up,

00:04:36.420 you and I had a conversation on my show at the time

00:04:38.880 and you were trying to find a way

00:04:40.280 to work with the Liberals on that

00:04:41.780 instead of just saying no to it.

00:04:43.700 I know when other issues have come up,

00:04:45.040 you've taken a very similar stance.

00:04:46.940 So how does that background really jive

00:04:49.180 with what you're saying now,

00:04:50.300 which is, no, we've got to just stand firm,

00:04:52.380 hold the line and fight for that.

00:04:54.460 Again, to use your campaign's term,

00:04:56.100 true blue conservatism.

00:04:58.620 Well, sometimes there can be consensus.

00:05:01.200 My work on M103 was more about calling out

00:05:04.140 the politics of it.

00:05:05.980 I had followed that issue from the time

00:05:08.220 Tom Mulcair tried to do a stunt in the House

00:05:10.980 and seek unanimous consent for a petition.

00:05:14.060 Jerry Butts and the Liberals saw the impact that that had

00:05:16.920 and then they created M103.

00:05:18.900 I knew that because, you know, in politics,

00:05:21.340 I will call my adversaries.

00:05:22.800 I was texting with the foreign minister yesterday

00:05:25.240 on areas of disagreement.

00:05:28.000 And I'm tough, I'll hold my ground,

00:05:30.220 but I also call out BS when I see it.

00:05:33.060 And that's what had happened with M103.

00:05:34.900 That was designed to divide Canadians. 0.89

00:05:38.000 And I think we have to call out liberal conduct,

00:05:43.160 you know, misleading conduct.

00:05:45.260 We now see it with firearms, for example,

00:05:47.300 where they have to use words like military-styled

00:05:50.700 or assault-like weapons to scare and confuse people.

00:05:55.120 So I often think Conservatives, we let the Liberals play

00:05:59.940 on the playing field for far too long

00:06:02.140 before we call out their conduct.

00:06:04.740 But, you know, I'm tough but fair, Andrew.

00:06:07.540 And I think if you look at my Conservative credentials,

00:06:10.880 I kind of enjoy how people are kind of saying,

00:06:13.000 Aaron O'Toole's more right-wing this time.

00:06:16.020 Everything I said last time, or this time,

00:06:18.660 I said last time, including reform in the United Nations.

00:06:21.720 I ran on holding back our dues from the UN agencies

00:06:25.460 before Nikki Haley did it in the US.

00:06:28.440 So my bona fides are solid.

00:06:31.320 I also have a few dials on my switch.

00:06:34.020 I'm not always at the outrage 10 setting.

00:06:37.260 I can be, and you don't want to get me there.

00:06:40.260 But there's other times where I can show compassion,

00:06:44.420 show reason, show collaboration.

00:06:46.380 I think that's how we'll connect with suburban voters, Andrew,

00:06:49.100 because they like our principles,

00:06:50.940 but often they think we're a bit too harsh.

00:06:54.560 And so I think it's that kind of small-town,

00:06:57.840 suburban upbringing I have.

00:06:59.420 I know when to be reasonable.

00:07:00.680 I know when to kick some butt.

00:07:03.460 I know that the real battleground for a lot of people

00:07:06.640 has been on social issues.

00:07:08.320 And I don't want to get into these

00:07:09.360 because I know you've talked about your positions on them

00:07:11.280 at great length in the past.

00:07:12.620 But I do think there is a discussion about the place

00:07:15.340 that different factions of the party have in the party here.

00:07:18.540 You've got two of the four leadership candidates

00:07:20.680 that are running, I think,

00:07:22.000 very much on their social conservative credentials.

00:07:24.760 And you've said, listen, this is a part of our party.

00:07:27.340 Social conservatives are a part of the voter base

00:07:29.920 and the party base.

00:07:31.360 And I think we saw that in particular in 2017,

00:07:34.020 the previous leadership contest.

00:07:36.000 And I am curious, though,

00:07:38.040 for a lot of the people that are on the more moderate side

00:07:40.540 of the party that say,

00:07:41.560 I don't want to be a part of the party

00:07:43.240 that has those people in it.

00:07:44.600 How do you keep the one side without losing the other side?

00:07:48.540 Or is it a matter of saying,

00:07:50.160 if you're so far to the left of the conservative party,

00:07:52.740 maybe we don't need to hold on to you that much?

00:07:55.500 Simple answer, leadership, Andrew.

00:07:58.040 And leadership is built on respect.

00:08:00.440 I learned that in the Canadian Armed Forces

00:08:02.600 from the time I went to boot camp.

00:08:04.920 You can inspire as leader.

00:08:06.920 You can lead by example, be in the trenches.

00:08:10.020 But most importantly, it's built on respect.

00:08:12.320 And that respect is both ways.

00:08:13.740 So when I ran for leader last time,

00:08:17.180 more social conservatives supported Andrew Scheer.

00:08:19.580 So he kind of came up the middle.

00:08:21.660 But there was always respect.

00:08:23.060 And I've always said to people,

00:08:24.420 look, I've voted with my social conservative colleagues

00:08:26.900 on some issues, like equal parenting or euthanasia,

00:08:31.960 for example.

00:08:32.640 But I've always consistently voted on human rights.

00:08:36.300 And so I respect decisions of the courts,

00:08:38.720 even if I don't necessarily agree with them.

00:08:41.460 It doesn't matter what the issue is.

00:08:43.160 I respect and I will not just respect them,

00:08:46.940 I will defend rights.

00:08:48.900 That said, I also defend religious freedom,

00:08:50.980 freedom of speech.

00:08:52.180 I'm probably one of the few MPs

00:08:53.500 that have spoken on those issues

00:08:54.760 in the House of Commons.

00:08:57.080 I think that's the way to forge

00:08:58.960 going forward as a party.

00:09:00.380 Respect all views in our movement.

00:09:02.620 All of them are important.

00:09:04.340 And how can we make sure social conservatives

00:09:07.820 feel not just valued,

00:09:09.600 but see some of their ideas

00:09:12.120 and some of their values reflected

00:09:13.800 in what the party's doing?

00:09:15.000 I think Harper's Child Maternal Health 0.99

00:09:17.400 foreign policy initiative

00:09:18.460 was a great example of that.

00:09:20.780 It didn't include funding foreign abortions

00:09:23.240 like Justin Trudeau does.

00:09:25.320 I don't think that's appropriate

00:09:26.460 for a Canadian foreign policy

00:09:28.700 to use divisive policy like that.

00:09:31.580 What it did focus on

00:09:32.660 was helping pregnant mothers,

00:09:35.320 young children with nutrition outcomes

00:09:37.220 so they'd have more healthy,

00:09:38.460 successful lives.

00:09:39.680 I think that was a great example

00:09:41.300 of how the input of social conservatives

00:09:44.300 can actually make great

00:09:45.760 foreign policy output for the country.

00:09:48.220 So I, as leader,

00:09:50.440 will make sure everyone is part

00:09:54.780 of our movement and government.

00:09:57.460 I know you've got a lot of MPs

00:09:59.540 from the Conservative caucus

00:10:00.680 that are supporting your campaign

00:10:02.000 and you did last time as well.

00:10:04.260 But I do have to ask,

00:10:05.220 I've done a review of the caucus endorsements

00:10:07.960 you had last time versus this time.

00:10:09.700 And it looks like at least 20%

00:10:11.740 of the MPs that backed you last time

00:10:14.240 are now backing Peter McKay.

00:10:15.920 And I am curious what you think this says

00:10:17.980 about the direction the caucus

00:10:19.300 is looking to go.

00:10:20.340 If you two, you and Peter McKay

00:10:22.300 are putting forward

00:10:23.260 fundamentally different visions

00:10:24.760 for the future of the Conservatives.

00:10:27.000 Every single one of them

00:10:28.280 will be very happy if I'm leader.

00:10:31.120 You know, look,

00:10:31.840 I respect the fact that many of them

00:10:33.860 in January bought into the hype

00:10:35.920 of this coronation.

00:10:37.300 That's what Peter McKay's team

00:10:39.100 was trying to make it seem

00:10:40.620 like there was this inevitability.

00:10:42.900 I'm the co-founder of the party,

00:10:44.960 therefore I deserve the leadership,

00:10:48.560 even though I left five years ago

00:10:50.320 and even though I was quietly

00:10:52.400 working on my leadership

00:10:53.560 when we should have all been working

00:10:55.040 to defeat Trudeau.

00:10:56.560 A lot of people in politics early on

00:10:59.060 wanted to feel they were part

00:11:00.440 of a winning team.

00:11:01.860 They were promised many things

00:11:03.520 in some cases.

00:11:04.680 I don't operate that way.

00:11:06.500 I saw out there that our grassroots

00:11:08.780 were not clamoring for Peter McKay

00:11:11.720 to get back into public life.

00:11:13.060 They respected what he did.

00:11:14.980 Peter was a great defence minister.

00:11:16.740 I've said that publicly.

00:11:18.320 But he was not a safe set of hands

00:11:21.120 on the playing field ever as a minister.

00:11:24.240 And we're seeing that in this race.

00:11:26.440 He's never really identified

00:11:28.220 on policy or certain principles.

00:11:31.380 And I don't think in 2020

00:11:32.820 with the challenges we're facing,

00:11:34.400 we have to go back to the PC party leader

00:11:36.780 from 17 years ago.

00:11:38.120 I think Peter's not in the House.

00:11:40.520 He's not going to be there

00:11:41.260 for the most important debates

00:11:42.580 in the country's history in September.

00:11:44.960 So I think I have respect in caucus,

00:11:47.540 even from folks that went with Peter early on.

00:11:49.900 You might even see a few switch over.

00:11:52.300 We have the momentum.

00:11:53.960 I predict by the time the votes are cast,

00:11:56.560 we will have more support in caucus

00:11:58.260 than Peter.

00:11:59.900 But I will make sure as a leader

00:12:02.240 that I reach out and make sure we're united

00:12:04.380 because our real opponent here is Justin Trudeau.

00:12:07.160 It's not each other.

00:12:08.500 So I will make sure we bring the movement together,

00:12:13.040 including supporters.

00:12:14.360 Leslyn Lewis has some great support in caucus.

00:12:18.360 She's a very impressive Canadian. 1.00

00:12:20.820 I hope she runs for us. 0.99

00:12:23.580 And I think she'd be an important voice

00:12:25.540 for our movement.

00:12:26.620 I'll work with Derek's people,

00:12:28.900 with Peter's people.

00:12:30.140 I think that's part of that respect of leadership.

00:12:34.180 One of the big things, of course,

00:12:36.040 that's changed the political landscape

00:12:37.700 in the last few months

00:12:39.080 has been the coronavirus.

00:12:40.560 And now we have monumental,

00:12:42.160 not just public health challenges,

00:12:43.740 but economic challenges.

00:12:45.240 We don't know when the election is going to be,

00:12:47.500 but suppose that you're successful

00:12:48.900 in your quest for the Conservative leadership,

00:12:50.940 and then you're successful in your quest

00:12:52.840 for the Premiership of Canada,

00:12:54.340 and you become the Prime Minister.

00:12:55.560 How on earth can you enact

00:12:57.400 a fiscal conservative agenda

00:12:59.380 when we will have tens of billions,

00:13:01.940 hundreds of billions of dollars

00:13:03.360 of added debt and deficit spending

00:13:05.260 that you'll have to find a way from?

00:13:08.720 The same way Stephen Harper

00:13:10.300 and Jim Flaherty did, Andrew.

00:13:12.040 You have to have a plan,

00:13:13.540 and you have to be disciplined to stick with it.

00:13:16.080 Certainly this plan will be a longer time frame

00:13:19.460 than what Stephen Harper had in 2009,

00:13:22.180 because he was looking at budget deficits

00:13:24.800 in the $50 billion range

00:13:26.640 after a financial markets-driven recession.

00:13:30.520 We have a global recession

00:13:32.000 where the global economy

00:13:33.440 was essentially wound down,

00:13:35.500 and we're going to have

00:13:37.120 a quarter of a trillion dollar deficit,

00:13:39.580 give or take,

00:13:40.340 according to the Parliamentary Budget Officer.

00:13:42.800 Trudeau's slow response,

00:13:44.200 his confused response has made it worse,

00:13:46.080 and some of his latest spending

00:13:47.400 is out of control

00:13:48.860 and clearly just vote buying.

00:13:50.700 But we will be faced with that,

00:13:53.660 and we have to say to Canadians

00:13:55.280 that fiscal responsibility is important.

00:13:58.600 We will have probably a plan

00:14:01.620 that will be a decade long

00:14:03.320 to get spending back under control

00:14:07.380 and get the economy moving.

00:14:09.580 But the key thing, Andrew,

00:14:11.620 is our private sector recovery.

00:14:14.260 It has to be led by the private sector,

00:14:15.860 and I was talking about this before COVID.

00:14:17.780 The canaries in the coal mine

00:14:19.780 were the tech resources

00:14:21.440 withdraw of the Frontier Project,

00:14:24.280 a $70 billion project

00:14:25.980 to our GDP over three to four decades.

00:14:28.620 Warren Buffett withdrew

00:14:29.900 his $7 billion or so investment in Canada

00:14:33.220 following the illegal rail blockades

00:14:35.300 and the shutdown Canada movement

00:14:37.580 that Trudeau seemed to sort of accept for weeks.

00:14:41.060 I put out a policy

00:14:43.080 to end the illegal blockades.

00:14:44.600 Jason Kenney adopted some elements of it

00:14:47.700 on a provincial level.

00:14:48.980 We have to get our private sector fired up.

00:14:52.640 If we don't have everyone working,

00:14:55.040 we won't recover.

00:14:55.980 So I'm going to embrace all sectors,

00:14:58.280 including energy.

00:14:58.920 I think that's a big point here.

00:15:02.380 And one thing, however,

00:15:03.460 that I fear for the sake

00:15:05.360 of the future of Canada

00:15:06.380 is that when Justin Trudeau

00:15:08.020 won another mandate,

00:15:09.860 he had run on a platform of,

00:15:11.700 to use the carbon tax as an example,

00:15:13.460 going full steam ahead

00:15:14.540 with the carbon tax.

00:15:15.980 So when you have in your leadership platform

00:15:17.960 no to the carbon tax,

00:15:19.180 which is, I think,

00:15:19.760 something that conservatives

00:15:20.960 have been fairly consistent on

00:15:22.920 with a few exceptions,

00:15:24.440 is there not a natural retort to that

00:15:26.620 that Canadians have made their peace with it?

00:15:29.680 No, because my issue

00:15:31.780 with the carbon tax,

00:15:32.680 and I probably talked about this

00:15:33.760 on your show three years ago

00:15:35.040 during the leadership,

00:15:36.860 my issue was always

00:15:38.440 the uncompetitiveness of it.

00:15:40.100 I hate the tax itself,

00:15:41.980 but Michigan, Ohio, Pennsylvania,

00:15:44.520 we're competing with them for jobs

00:15:46.540 in the auto industry

00:15:47.500 and fabrication,

00:15:48.720 and they don't have an input price on carbon.

00:15:51.480 And we have an integrated economy.

00:15:54.380 So it was always dumb federal policy.

00:15:57.120 What the conservatives need to do

00:15:59.540 is two things, Andrew.

00:16:01.320 One, we respect provincial plans.

00:16:04.020 So if BC wants to do its carbon tax,

00:16:06.200 if there's cap and trade in Quebec,

00:16:07.600 if Jason Kenney's doing large emitter policy

00:16:10.180 with a form of a carbon tax

00:16:11.940 for large emitters,

00:16:13.440 great.

00:16:14.020 If they can get their emissions down,

00:16:15.380 they know their local economies

00:16:16.740 better than Ottawa does.

00:16:18.420 Where the federal government

00:16:19.440 then has to work

00:16:20.340 is the bigger picture issue.

00:16:22.440 Transportation,

00:16:22.960 we'd like to see less emissions

00:16:25.520 by making that maximize.

00:16:27.420 I've been a fan of cabotage

00:16:28.760 and a whole range of policies.

00:16:30.520 Support for carbon capture,

00:16:32.040 sequestration,

00:16:32.920 nuclear energy.

00:16:33.720 I've been big supporters of all these.

00:16:35.860 Pipelines to get LNG around the world

00:16:37.900 to get emissions down elsewhere

00:16:39.420 from using coal to generate electricity.

00:16:41.940 And wherever possible,

00:16:44.000 where can we bring innovation

00:16:45.220 or some tax reductions

00:16:47.280 for companies

00:16:48.260 that step their own emissions down?

00:16:49.880 I've been talking about that

00:16:50.920 for four or five years.

00:16:52.860 I think if the Conservatives

00:16:53.900 put our plan in the window,

00:16:56.900 many Canadians will say,

00:16:58.120 OK, they take it seriously.

00:17:01.040 We said 10,000 times

00:17:03.340 that we were against the carbon tax.

00:17:05.360 We never said what we were going to do

00:17:07.000 until a couple of weeks

00:17:08.020 before the election.

00:17:09.120 That doesn't cut it,

00:17:10.380 particularly in the suburbs of Ontario.

00:17:13.020 They want to know

00:17:13.600 we take the environment seriously

00:17:15.500 and we have serious policy.

00:17:16.820 That actually leads into

00:17:19.640 an important area

00:17:20.720 to end on here, Aaron,

00:17:21.960 which is the type of Conservative Party

00:17:24.160 that you'd like to lead.

00:17:25.300 And it comes down

00:17:26.220 to looking backwards

00:17:27.100 and forwards, I guess.

00:17:29.040 Is the Conservative Party's loss

00:17:30.780 in 2019 indicative

00:17:32.840 of a bad message itself

00:17:34.940 or just bad messaging?

00:17:36.760 And how will you counter

00:17:37.880 either or both of those

00:17:39.480 if you're the leader?

00:17:41.720 I think it was,

00:17:43.220 we didn't run a strong campaign

00:17:45.120 on the ground, certainly,

00:17:46.260 but we also didn't have a vision.

00:17:48.640 I think in many ways,

00:17:50.260 I think even Andrew realizes this now,

00:17:52.700 and he and I talk about it,

00:17:54.200 that they were lulled into a sense

00:17:56.340 that after SNC-Lavalin

00:17:57.980 and Jody Wilson-Raybould

00:17:59.300 and all that stuff,

00:17:59.980 the Liberals were going

00:18:00.660 to defeat themselves.

00:18:02.040 We can never, ever

00:18:04.000 take our opponents for granted.

00:18:06.440 We have to forge our own reason

00:18:09.320 for people to vote for us.

00:18:10.620 And I think that principled approach

00:18:12.420 to Conservatism is the answer.

00:18:15.240 I actually think the COVID-19

00:18:17.460 makes it even more compelling.

00:18:19.160 I've been talking about repatriating 0.77

00:18:21.600 some key manufacturing capacity

00:18:24.780 to Canada, certainly for PPE,

00:18:27.340 but also counterbalancing

00:18:29.400 China's world trade disruption.

00:18:32.180 I was supportive of us

00:18:33.360 working with the Trump administration

00:18:35.200 on their concerns

00:18:36.660 about steel and aluminum.

00:18:38.640 Not only did the Trudeau government

00:18:40.020 not do that,

00:18:40.900 we had tariffs imposed on us

00:18:42.940 for security reasons

00:18:44.740 as their only NORAD trading partner.

00:18:47.260 I may have even talked to you

00:18:48.460 on your show about this.

00:18:50.000 Why I was in favor of us

00:18:51.960 joining ballistic missile defense

00:18:53.540 was to remind the Americans

00:18:54.840 that we are their only

00:18:56.360 security partner in the world.

00:18:58.460 And so we should work with them

00:19:00.080 on Chinese disruption of world trade

00:19:03.100 and we should repatriate

00:19:04.600 some industries

00:19:05.740 that we cannot rely on

00:19:07.540 if they're in Communist Party

00:19:10.060 of China hands.

00:19:11.120 We should be united

00:19:12.100 against Huawei

00:19:13.500 as sort of the five eyes

00:19:15.360 countries together.

00:19:16.660 I've been talking about this

00:19:18.000 for many years, actually,

00:19:19.680 and I do think

00:19:20.440 now Canadians see

00:19:22.100 the value of that.

00:19:24.060 Two years ago on,

00:19:25.940 yesterday, I think,

00:19:27.800 I asked Trudeau about

00:19:29.380 Taiwan being excluded

00:19:30.980 from the World Health Organization

00:19:32.540 meetings on pandemic planning.

00:19:34.460 Two years ago.

00:19:35.820 Just yesterday, Trudeau

00:19:37.160 is now asking for Taiwan

00:19:38.440 to be there.

00:19:39.140 So in many ways,

00:19:40.740 I think the issues

00:19:41.420 I've been pushing on

00:19:42.220 for many years

00:19:42.860 are now issues

00:19:44.120 that Canadians see

00:19:45.080 are in our key

00:19:46.660 strategies.

00:19:51.420 I think that's a very good point

00:19:53.060 to end on here.

00:19:53.940 I really appreciate your time.

00:19:55.160 Aaron O'Toole,

00:19:55.720 Conservative Leadership Candidate.

00:19:57.420 Thank you very much

00:19:58.240 and good luck.

00:19:59.160 Thank you, Andrew.

00:20:00.180 The next part of the

00:20:01.420 Conservative Leadership Series,

00:20:02.920 hopefully we'll be able

00:20:03.620 to finish it off

00:20:04.400 by the end of the week.

00:20:05.620 Just one candidate to go.

00:20:07.120 My thanks to Aaron O'Toole

00:20:08.360 for coming on

00:20:09.220 and, of course,

00:20:09.660 all of you for tuning in.

00:20:11.100 We'll be back

00:20:11.540 in a couple of days

00:20:12.220 with more of

00:20:12.920 The Andrew Lawton Show.

00:20:13.980 Thank you, God bless,

00:20:15.080 and good day, Canada.

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Juno News - May 11, 2020

Conservative Leadership Series： Erin O’Toole

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