Conservatives need to take a bold stand for parental rights
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In this episode of The Andrew Lawton Show, host Andrew Lawton is joined by writer and advocate Janice Fiamengo to discuss gender identity, COID boosters, and parental rights in Canada's public schools.
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welcome to canada's most irreverent talk show this is the andrew lawton show brought to you by true
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and welcome to you all this is another edition of canada's most irreverent talk show you are tuned
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in live well maybe you're not tuned in live i'm here live if you are watching right at this exact
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second in the grand space-time continuum of sorts you are watching this live although we make it
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available for anyone later on it is as of this moment wednesday june 28th here on the andrew
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lawton show now i'm not going to give you a precise time because as i alluded to at the
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tail end of the previous show i'm in a different time zone than all canadians right now it's
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actually 10.02 p.m. and I flew overnight from Toronto to Paris yesterday. I'm here covering a
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free Iran conference, which you may recall I covered the last couple of years and is a very,
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very interesting place to be. It hasn't started yet, so I won't have too much to report on in
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the show today, but you can keep your eyes peeled to True North and to the future editions of the
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Andrew Lawton Show as we talk a little bit about this. But I do want to touch on a couple of the
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big picture issues here, which affect really the culture war in a couple of different dimensions
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today. I'm going to speak in just a few moments with Janice Fiamengo, who is a tremendous writer
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and advocate, a former professor at the University of Ottawa, but has become a real truth teller,
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not just on academic freedom, but on a number of other issues as well. And we're going to talk
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about the ways that statistics can be used very dishonestly, and I would argue maliciously,
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in a couple of contexts, but one in particular that we'll explain a little bit more about very
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shortly. But I also want to just say, sometimes it's nice to look at a headline and just feel
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so familiar. It feels like you've been transported back in time to 2021. Like, for example, this one
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in Global News. Do you need a COVID booster for your summer vacation? Experts weigh in. Yes, well,
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the experts are saying before you go on summer holiday in 2023, apparently you need to get a
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booster. So if you've been diligently getting your boosters every four to six months, you're
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probably up to now your 12th, 13th, 14th COVID shot. But you can never be too safe. So they now
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say even though COVID is no longer a global health emergency, even the World Health Organization has
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moved on to the pandemics of climate change and the pandemics of misinformation, even they're
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not too concerned about COVID, but you can be. And a couple of the experts they speak to here
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basically say, don't you dare go away for the summer without getting your COVID booster. So
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I wouldn't exactly call that a PSA. But like I said, some people just do not want to move on
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from this era. And I think they need to be called out when they go down that road.
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Let's talk about parental rights, though, because this is something we touched on a couple of weeks
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back on the show in the context of New Brunswick. And what the New Brunswick government has done,
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I think is quite good. I spoke to Tanya Granik-Allen, who's a great parental rights
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activist about this. And she said, yeah, it's good. But it's also in many ways, some low hanging
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fruit. The New Brunswick government has amended an education policy to do a number of things,
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but the crux of it and what people are really getting up in arms about is to say that if a
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child under the age of 16. We're not even talking about 16, 17, 18 year olds who are in grade 10,
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11, 12. We're talking about, generally speaking, elementary school students and some young high
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school students. If one of them wishes to officially change their gender or name at school,
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they need to have parental consent to do it. Now, the policy does not actually say,
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contrary to what some critics online have said, that they will be outed to parents in any other
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way. In fact, if a child does not want the parent spoken to about this, then they are actually
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referred to a social worker to talk about this, to offer some tips and guidance. But we're basically
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saying here, if you are under 16, you shouldn't be able to do something as drastic and radical
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as changing your gender without your parents knowing about it and signing off on this. And
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anyone who's ever had a child go through the school system and knows how you need to sign a
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permission slip for anyone, for anything, this shouldn't seem all that surprising. But this has
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become a very pivotal issue because you have the Justin Trudeau government taking aim at New
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Brunswick. Seamus O'Regan, for example, who is one of the ministers in Trudeau's cabinet,
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had tweeted out about how this is all essentially harmful. He was going off about how kids do not
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have the freedom to be themselves because of what's happening in New Brunswick. And he was
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basically saying, how dare Pierre Polyev, who talks a good game about freedom, take aim at
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or support this policy in New Brunswick. Now, I should say, I don't actually think it's fair to
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say Pierre Polyev has been supportive of this policy directive. A couple of weeks ago, he was
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doing a press conference in Toronto, and my colleague at True North, Noah Jarvis, asked him
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about the New Brunswick policy. Take a look. Recently, the New Brunswick premier has made
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changes to their lgbtq protection policy requiring teachers to notify parents when before they change
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the use of their pronouns or in their given name what is your position on the matter
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i'll let provinces make decisions about the education system
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that was a case where the answer was much shorter than the question itself the answer was as
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about as close to a non-answer as you can get uh noah wasn't asking about provincial rights he was
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asking about the policy in particular and what peer poly have thought about it and he defaulted to
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well i'll let provinces do what they're going to do now polyev gave a little bit of a better
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response about it when he was asked in new brunswick where he was campaigning a couple of
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days ago in moncton specifically on axing the carbon tax but again at press conferences people
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Do you stand with Premier Blaine Higgs on policy 713?
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I know that Justin Trudeau has butted into that.
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The prime minister has no business in decisions that should rest with provinces and parents.
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so my message to Justin Trudeau is butt out and let provinces run schools and let parents raise kids
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it's like I said a slightly better response than well it's up to the provinces to decide but not
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much because really what Pierre Polyev is doing there is appealing not to the core idea of parental
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rights but what he's doing is appealing to the idea of provincial rights and don't get me wrong
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balance of power very important division of power is very important provincial rights federalism
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all of this is entirely reasonable and i'm glad to see a federal leader and potential prime minister
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who's going to respect the federalist project but there's something more fundamental than just the
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education system here that i feel polyev and the conservatives are missing an opportunity to seize
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and it's probably fear that is going into this because you can't talk about parental rights in
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this context without wading into the culture war on gender ideology and on these battles that are
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taking place across the country, across the Western world, when people are asking very
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critical questions, very contentious questions about what children should be taught, about what
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activity should be encouraged or discouraged, about what manifestations of gender identity
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should be fostered and affirmed versus treated or treated in at least some other way. And this is a
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very difficult thing to do. And yes, it is a political landmine. But leadership is about
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stepping into the fire when that's where the fight is. And the reason that the New Brunswick
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policy is so interesting here, and I said a couple of weeks ago, I did not have on my bingo card New
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Brunswick leading the charge in the culture war in a way that's stronger than the Alberta UCP
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government under Danielle Smith is, for example. But the thing about what's happening in New
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Brunswick is that this is being treated by the media and by folks like Justin Trudeau and Blaine
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Higgs as being this gross affront to equality, to liberty, to whatever. But parents across the
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country think this is an entirely reasonable thing. Parents who, I should say, are not particularly
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political or conservative. That polling that Second Street did before the New Brunswick policy
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came in showed that parents were pretty clearly in a solid majority on believing that something
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like this happening in the schools should involve them in some way. The parents are the first and
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primary educators of their children, not teachers, not school boards, and certainly not the state.
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So the reason I say all of that is to say that it isn't just the morally right thing to do to
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stand up for parental rights, but it is the politically right thing to do. This is actually
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a political win for conservatives if they were prepared to take this on. And I think it actually
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is not a coincidence that his answer is a little bit more substantive this week than it was a
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couple of weeks ago, that he's prepared to go a little bit more. I don't know. And I don't want
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to be too cynical here. Maybe they just got some good polling in. Maybe he was just in New Brunswick
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and realized he couldn't hide with the issue when he's literally in the province in which this issue
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is a live one politically but the whole point is he can't just appeal to parental or to provincial
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rights without appealing to parental rights and this is the problem i've had with a lot of
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conservative strategy in the past for example when the trucker vaccine mandate came into place back
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in the fall of 2021 the conservatives at the time led by erin o'toole didn't come out and say the
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trucker vaccine mandate is wrong because vaccine mandates are wrong they came out and said well
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we don't like this because the supply chains are bad and you know grocery store shelves are
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already empty and we already have inflation so we can't do something that's further going to
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challenge the transportation of fruits and vegetables and meat and bread and all this
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stuff to your grocery store and sure that's an argument but it's an argument that deliberately
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goes around what should be and is the core argument of this debate and i think the same
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thing is true here i mean yeah you can say look new brunswick has the right to govern its own
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affairs and Justin Trudeau should butt out. But that misses the mark on why this issue matters
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so much. What's happening in New Brunswick is not a story of federalism. Federalism may be how New
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Brunswick gets away with it when it angers Justin Trudeau so much. But the story here is a province
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that's saying we need to first and foremost listen to parents. A province that says we believe parents
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need to be respected and by the way is providing a policy that is very measured and very reasonable
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and doesn't go nearly as far as the critics of the policy think it does. Now, whether it could
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or should is a different story, but there have been cabinet ministers in New Brunswick that have
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said, I don't want to be a part of this government anymore. And Blaine Higgs has to his credit stuck
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to his guns and said, okay, see it, bye, peace out. I don't really care because he knows that
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this is the right thing to do. And the conservatives, as I've often said, cannot just be
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the auditors-in-chief. They have to be the commanders-in-chief. They have to be leaders.
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They have to lead on all issues. They can't just be, as I think it was Scott Hayward from Right
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Now said, Justin Trudeau with a slightly better accountant. That is not what the conservatives
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need to be. They have to be prepared to lead on issues. And here you have one of these coalition
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building issues where just ordinary moms and dads across the country are in line with social
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conservatives are in line with fiscal conservatives are in line with this is one of those rare issues
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that is naturally broader than the existing conservative political coalition and they'd
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be foolish to not lead on it but i say politics aside they need to lead on it because it is the
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right thing to do parents matter and we cannot ignore that and cannot respect any system that
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does ignore that we'll certainly talk about this more in the days and weeks to come i suspect we
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I should just say, too, it's really rich from Justin Trudeau, who whenever Bill 21, which
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is the secularism bill in Quebec, comes up, he clams up as, oh, well, you know, province,
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But when it's a provincial rights issue in New Brunswick, it's all about this is unsafe
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So it's almost as if the appeal to federalism is inconsistent at best from Justin Trudeau,
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Let's move on to this other issue, which admittedly was one that completely stayed off my radar
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until I read about it from Janice Fiamengo's great newsletter, the Fiamengo File.
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And part of the reason it completely escaped me is because it involves someone who used
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to play for the NHL, which I'm told is a cricket league.
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But it was a rather moving PSA from a former NHL figure.
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I remember everything leading up to it, but nothing after.
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I still experience pain, mood swings, the headaches are debilitating.
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that was former Vancouver Canucks captain Trevor Linden in a PSA for the YWCA
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talking about the disparity between concussions in hockey and concussions in women who have suffered from domestic violence.
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Now, I should say, first and foremost, it's a very compelling, powerful ad.
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It's very well produced. It's a well presented message.
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It's a shocking message when they say 92% of women, girls and gender diverse people
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who experience traumatic brain injury do so as a result of violence by an intimate partner.
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And they also talk about the staggering statistics of what percentage of women
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And I'll talk about those numbers in a moment, but I just first want to say
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it's often very odd when people try to link two disparate issues and two distinct issues
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together. One kind of random one that just happened to come up yesterday is this tweet from
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Neurodiversity Ireland. So neurodiversity is typically the world of autism. And they say
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that there's no neurodiversity without LGBTQ plus. And we can't be neuroaffirming without being
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LGBTQ plus affirming. And we can't respect people with autism unless we respect people with
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LGBTQ plus identity. And you're looking at this and you're like, I don't know why these two things
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matter. And this is where you get into territory where you're making comparisons that are leading
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people to a particular conclusion that might not be the right one. But in this particular case,
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we have numbers that are contributing to that. Janice Fiamengo is a retired professor from the
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University of Ottawa and also writes the Fiamengo file on Substack and joins me now. Janice, good to
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to you thanks for coming on today well thank you very much for having me on your show andrew i
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i'm really pleased to be able to talk about this concussion campaign hoax the key paragraph here
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just to to put into context that staggering number there is that four in ten women and girls in
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canada will face violent from a current or former partner according to statisticians canada and
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92 percent of those will suffer a traumatic brain injury due to blows to their head or
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strangulation and you say in your newsletter here uh that is effectively saying that more
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than 30 percent of canadian women more than and girls more than three and ten will get a brain
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injury from battering so the numbers are pretty clear there what's what do they get wrong well
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everything is wrong in it it's also mentioned that for every one professional hockey player
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who experiences a concussion 7 000 girls and women in canada will experience traumatic brain injury
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or a concussion so i looked that up it says that on average about 80 professional hockey players
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suffer concussion a year so 80 times 7 000 that if my math is correct would be about 560
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thousand Canadian girls and women suffering concussion from intimate partner violence
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every year. That is a staggering number. Now how has that number arrived at? Well first of all
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there's the reference to the StatsCan survey which found that more than four in ten Canadian women
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reported suffering from intimate partner violence in their lifetimes. It also happened to mention that
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about one-third of Canadian boys and men reported suffering from intimate partner violence as well,
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but of course that's not mentioned. Then it gets to another study that makes this claim about 92%.
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However, when you look into both of these studies, you realize that the social science behind the
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claims is simply not it's it doesn't support those particular claims and i really looked into this
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very carefully for one the claim about 44 percent of girls and women suffering intimate partner
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violence it is a large survey conducted by stats can over 43 000 people but they measure violence
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so extremely elastically that it clearly has nothing to do with concussions but they count
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violence to include psychological violence that means being called a bad name they count a wide
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range of so-called physical violence including someone punching a wall having an object thrown
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at you that may or may not have hit you that you know might have caused damage if it had
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they count um being forced or someone trying to force you to perform a sex act that you didn't
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want to perform uh shoving all sorts of things so and and while i would agree that some of these
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things are certainly abusive and some of them are violence i don't think the psychological violence
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is quite at the same level being called a bad name um but but certainly it is hard to see how
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those types of violence could possibly lead to traumatic brain injury so there's a big problem
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with the total number there when we go to the 92 it gets even stranger but just to jump in on on
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those figures first because i i i want to just preempt the obvious criticism here that you and
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i are downplaying this when i i certainly am not and i i know you're not and i believe that abuse
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is wrong but abuse and violence have never in my understanding been synonyms i mean i'll defer to
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you as the english professor those words have very different meanings so they're including things that
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are non that are abusive and non-physical as violence yes and that's a huge problem for
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understanding what it means when people start talking about the numbers of women and girls
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who suffer from supposed violence and violence that's not directed at the woman or girl but at
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a wall or throwing a plate or something which again could be very threatening it could be very
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traumatizing could be a stepping stone to violence but it is not directed at a person right and it
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has absolutely nothing to do with traumatic brain injury clearly and uh you know they it's impossible
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to tell from the survey how severe the violence was that was reported so they lump in everything
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if you remember that 20 years ago you had a jealous partner that will be counted as your
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having experienced violence along with everything else there isn't even a category in the stats can
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survey and the report that was based on it for the types of violence that lead to traumatic brain
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injury which are choking until you pass out or violence to your head they don't even have a
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category for blows to the head so they're talking about a whole range of issues they they lumped
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together for example being shoved pushed or thrown down well even right there it's impossible to know
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how severe to be shoved yes that might be quite severe or might not be very severe at all
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and uh and and there is no way of telling from the survey whether that violence led to the person
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having to go to the hospital you know whether it led to an actual injury or not it is simply a
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a way of measuring self-reports we don't really know what those numbers mean at all and the
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range of types of acts or verbal acts that are measured there is simply far too elastic to draw
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any clear conclusions about numbers so with that how do they get to that 92 percent so 92 is even
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stranger and I find more shocking. It refers to a study, which then refers to another study.
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It's so it isn't even the study that's referred to. That study is an American study of Black women
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who experienced severe violence, both in childhood and in their adult life, specifically being
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choked or being knocked unconscious out of those it was only 95 women that's a fairly small survey
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out of those women about 33 experienced uh assumed not even clarified but assumed
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traumatic brain injury now within that study it referred in a background section of the report to
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another study that found up to 92%, listen to this, of women who experienced traumatic brain
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injury, 92% of those women had received the traumatic brain injury as a result of intimate
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partner violence. So then they flipped the numbers around and said that of women who experience
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intimate partner violence, up to 92% will have traumatic brain injury. I think that's called
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a faulty syllogism. I think I learned that in my first week of research methods in university,
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which was like a mandatory course that everyone had to do of like one of the things that you are
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never supposed to do when analyzing data is reverse your cause and your effect. Yes. I find
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that shocking it either indicates i mean i don't know what what to conclude about that except that
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either the researchers who come up with these claims are not able to read the studies that
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they're basing their claims on or it means that they are deliberately misinforming us misrepresenting
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the studies that they're relying on but either way it is a shocking misrepresentation of the
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reality of intimate partner violence your your point on this is something i i'm curious about
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because obviously i think facts matter and i think regardless this is not uh in my view a moral
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judgment on on the substance of this it's it's saying that these are the numbers and the numbers
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don't lie unless we interpret them the way they do and then we can twist them but but ultimately
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this is still a real issue and and we know that intimate partner violence exists and we know that
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it can have very serious mental and physical consequences so why why is this something that's
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so important to you well for one thing although we know that intimate partner violence exists i
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don't think we really have any clear understanding of how prevalent it is and how serious it is
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and i don't think we have any understanding from these kinds of studies which inflame the situation
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notice of course again uh male victims of violence are never mentioned here so no and there have been
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some statistics canada surveys that have found males are 50 of victims of intimate partner violence
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this particular one found that males report violence at a rate of 36 in their lifetimes
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boys and men will experience some form of intimate partner violence compared to that 44
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percent so that is not a massive discrepancy there and we're talking about mostly boys and
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men who are victimized by girls and women so um when we're talking about violence i think it's
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very important to understand that violence is a human problem it is not a problem in which males
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are solely perpetrators and girls and women are solely victims it tends to be caused not as the
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feminists will tell us because men are exerting their power over women and girls and you know
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through violence which is what this campaign specifically says but no actually most people
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who are not feminist ideologues who study this problem will tell us that violence occurs because
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of a variety of circumstances they're the same for both males and females and they have to do with
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substance abuse they have to have to do with mental illness and they have to do with
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childhood abuse people who are abused as children tend to become abusers so that is a much more
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human way of understanding the problem i would say a much more useful way and what a campaign
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like this does with these really staggering numbers is it demonizes boys and men and it
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terrorizes girls and women and it misinforms girls and women about the realities of the world that
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we live in and i think it it it makes it seem justified to treat boys and men as a category
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of human being who are deserving of contempt disgust and harsh punishment and i think it
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also means that when boys and men are accused of violence or sexual violence that we tend to think
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yeah they're probably guilty because i heard that horrific statistic about 560 000 girls and women
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a year being the victim of intimate partner violence so this is probably a case where this
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guy did what he's being accused of doing and i think that's just terrible it really uh miss
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miseducates all of us about the realities of men and women's lives i i mentioned before i brought
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you in that rather absurd tweet trying to link you know autism awareness with pride and i i think
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that we're seeing to maybe not as dramatic a way of doing that but but something very similar here
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of taking this issue that people know that there's been a lot of advocacy on and research in which
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is concussions and brain injuries traumatic brain injuries and trying to like push it into this other
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narrative and and in a way that maybe it just doesn't quite fit at all and it's not to say
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there can't be traumatic brain injury from this but it's like if there is that's not the core
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issue the core issue is the intimate partner violence yes and i find that often when you
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read these studies there was a study a few years ago that's been well some years ago now but it's
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been repeatedly cited about the relationship between violence against women and uh natural
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disasters. There was a huge kerfuffle years ago about the Australian wildfires and claims made
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that men who came home from fighting those fires were taking out their stress on the women and
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girls in their lives. And the study that was cited to prove this was a study about Hurricane Katrina
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that claimed that violence against women had doubled following Hurricane Katrina. And when
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When I looked into that study, it was unbelievable how weak the research was on which that claim
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It showed that yes, violence had allegedly doubled, but it had gone from a tiny, tiny
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number in this small study to double that number, which is essentially meaningless when
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And it found that violence against boys and men, what they had reported anyway, had been
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higher both before and after Hurricane Katrina.
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So boys and men were reporting higher levels of psychological violence and higher levels of physical violence, both before and after.
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And that was never mentioned in any of the discussions about the meaning of the connection between disaster and violence against women.
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So, so, so often there are attempts to, as they say, raise awareness and call for greater resources to be put into protecting girls and women.
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and it's based on extremely shaky statistics and it seems designed really just to support a
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particular worldview in this case in which men are always guilty and women are always innocent
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victims and it's a shame. Yeah and I'm glad you mentioned the percentage issue because that's
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always been this point that I've tried to take issue with because I think it's one of the most
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insidious ways in which something is overblown in terms of its effect. I know with hate crimes we
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see it all the time where uh there'll be a report that says oh you know hate crimes against this
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group have increased by 60 percent and you look at the numbers and they've gone up by 14 you know 14
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individual cases and that's a an increase in in 60 and i remember i wrote a column about this years
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ago when i was with global news and the editor actually would not publish uh large parts of it
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because they say well no percentages don't lie and i said well actually they do uh you know if
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they don't lie in the sense that yes 60 percent of you know 100 is 60 but they they do lie when
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you're trying to make a point that something has had this dramatic increase you know there's a
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difference between something going up from a thousand to sixteen hundred say and something
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going up from ten to sixteen indeed yes and that is the thing and you know and it's so frustrating
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when you see that people are people with an agenda are quite willing to obfuscate by using the
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percentage rather than giving us the actual numbers and so many of us don't have time you
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know to look this took me a couple hours you know to read through that huge stats can report and to
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actually figure out what they meant by violence and then to look through the various studies that
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were cited to prove this 92 percent number most people don't have time to do that kind of research
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So that's why it's so important that the people who are doing the reporting are scrupulous about explaining to us what those numbers actually mean.
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And when you mix in advocacy, you know, political agendas with reporting, you get this kind of, you know, phantasmatic scaremongering.
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Janice Fiamengo, you can read her takedown of this PSA and lots of other great work over at
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the Fiamengo file on Substack. Janice, thank you so much for coming on today. Great to talk to you
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as always. Great to talk to you, Andrew. All right. Thanks very much. And yeah, and again,
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I don't want to at all dismiss or diminish the importance and significance of this issue. I think
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violence is wrong. I certainly think domestic violence is wrong, but I think we need to have
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a very honest discussion about it. And I don't like when people are trying to just link all
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these different things together in a way that doesn't quite align with reality. We are going
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to wind down for this program. I had a burning question from one viewer who writes, how beautiful
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are the women over there in France? That's the question we need an answer to. Well, I would say
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never nearly as beautiful as one particular woman back in Canada. That is my answer and I am sticking
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to it. But it is good to be over here. I actually haven't had a chance to see much of France yet. I
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got in this morning. I got to the hotel. I'm in like the generic nondescript hotel room here to
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do the show. So I haven't actually enjoyed too, too much of it. But hopefully we'll have some
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pictures and stories and footage from the road in the days to come. One thing that I am going
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to point out though, just very briefly, I saw this ad on the plane. I was watching a movie before I
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fell asleep, but I can't, I'm not, no, I remember the movie. I'm not telling you the movie because
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it was embarrassing. But I was watching a movie and you have to watch before the movie starts a
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bunch of ads because it's not enough that you've paid Air Canada however much to ride the, to take
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the plane. You also have to watch advertising. And I saw this particular ad, which I was like,
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Now I'm not trying to give these a free advertising
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and you'll understand why the second you see it.
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okay so the whole point is you're trying to get your ice cream and the seagull comes and steals
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the ice cream and then the steel seagull comes and steals your cash and then you can pay visa because
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this seagull that has managed to steal your ice cream and your cash where you're with it with
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immense surgical precision and speed is not also going to take your credit card that's the premise
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we're supposed to rely on here. But then the tagline, all of the ad was fine. CGI seagulls
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are great. That's good. All of it comes to an end when they say that Visa is safer than cash.
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This ties in well with the push we've been talking about in the last few weeks toward
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digital ID and digital currency. This idea that cash is king is one that is increasingly under
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threat from government and from people that have a significant financial stake in the digitization
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of the economy, places like Visa and MasterCard. And the interesting thing is, let's just go with
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the narrative here. If someone steals $20 out of your hand, be it a Siegel or someone else,
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you've lost $20. If someone steals your Visa card, you could be out thousands of dollars.
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And even if you manage to get the charges returned, you still have to deal with the
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hassle of doing that. And sometimes you aren't able to do it. So the idea that cash is less
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safe than a credit card misses the mark entirely. And more importantly, it is a lot more reliable
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to have cash. We live in a country in which the government froze the bank accounts and credit
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cards of its political critics, which you cannot freeze cash is the one message that people need
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to realize here. So anyway, I've gotten like a 60 second rant out of a 15 second ad that I saw on a
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plane, but I had to get it off my chest. Sean, the producer here says he likes the ad because
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seagulls deserve more media representation. So Sean's going to go all intersectional and say
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that we need more diversity in film to encompass the seagulls. So we'll have seagulls lives matter
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posters on the show before long, but that does it for us for today. We will talk to you on Friday
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with a special Canada day edition of the show, which we already have recorded. So if you wonder
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why I'm all of a sudden back home and not in Paris covering the free Iran conference, that's why.
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and we'll have footage from this when we are able to get it to you, probably on Monday's show,
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but we'll have some online between now and then. And just by way of context, I know that this is
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not necessarily the biggest burning issue for a lot of Canadians. So I'll write about this a
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little bit, but the question of why Iran matters, it's not just because I believe in meddling in
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other countries' affairs, quite the contrary, in fact. It's that Iran is a country that is a
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powerful force in supporting terrorism and actually perpetrating acts of terrorism around
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the world. And it is the Iranian regime, backed by China in large ways, that allows it to do this.
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And it is interesting that this conference two years ago in Paris, no, it was more than that,
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a few years ago in Paris, was the target of a bombing plot by an Iranian diplomat. And hopefully
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I will survive this week. Thankfully, they managed to thwart that attack and the guy is serving a
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prolonged prison sentence now. But that is what happens if you take a stand for freedom. You end
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up in the crosshairs of the regimes who deplore freedom. So that's what we're doing. Hopefully
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we'll live to tell the tale and I look forward to being back in the studio with you before long.
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But do tune in to the Friday Canada Day special and have a great rest of the week. Thank you,
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