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Conservatives need to take a bold stand for parental rights


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In this episode of The Andrew Lawton Show, host Andrew Lawton is joined by writer and advocate Janice Fiamengo to discuss gender identity, COID boosters, and parental rights in Canada's public schools.

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00:00:00.000 welcome to canada's most irreverent talk show this is the andrew lawton show brought to you by true
00:00:14.560 and welcome to you all this is another edition of canada's most irreverent talk show you are tuned
00:00:20.000 in live well maybe you're not tuned in live i'm here live if you are watching right at this exact
00:00:24.880 second in the grand space-time continuum of sorts you are watching this live although we make it
00:00:30.960 available for anyone later on it is as of this moment wednesday june 28th here on the andrew
00:00:38.000 lawton show now i'm not going to give you a precise time because as i alluded to at the
00:00:42.240 tail end of the previous show i'm in a different time zone than all canadians right now it's
00:00:46.640 actually 10.02 p.m. and I flew overnight from Toronto to Paris yesterday. I'm here covering a
00:00:54.340 free Iran conference, which you may recall I covered the last couple of years and is a very,
00:01:00.120 very interesting place to be. It hasn't started yet, so I won't have too much to report on in
00:01:04.800 the show today, but you can keep your eyes peeled to True North and to the future editions of the
00:01:10.720 Andrew Lawton Show as we talk a little bit about this. But I do want to touch on a couple of the
00:01:15.060 big picture issues here, which affect really the culture war in a couple of different dimensions
00:01:20.580 today. I'm going to speak in just a few moments with Janice Fiamengo, who is a tremendous writer
00:01:26.560 and advocate, a former professor at the University of Ottawa, but has become a real truth teller,
00:01:32.080 not just on academic freedom, but on a number of other issues as well. And we're going to talk
00:01:37.200 about the ways that statistics can be used very dishonestly, and I would argue maliciously,
00:01:42.840 in a couple of contexts, but one in particular that we'll explain a little bit more about very
00:01:48.180 shortly. But I also want to just say, sometimes it's nice to look at a headline and just feel
00:01:54.220 so familiar. It feels like you've been transported back in time to 2021. Like, for example, this one
00:02:01.400 in Global News. Do you need a COVID booster for your summer vacation? Experts weigh in. Yes, well,
00:02:08.280 the experts are saying before you go on summer holiday in 2023, apparently you need to get a
00:02:13.680 booster. So if you've been diligently getting your boosters every four to six months, you're
00:02:18.640 probably up to now your 12th, 13th, 14th COVID shot. But you can never be too safe. So they now
00:02:25.200 say even though COVID is no longer a global health emergency, even the World Health Organization has
00:02:30.600 moved on to the pandemics of climate change and the pandemics of misinformation, even they're
00:02:35.960 not too concerned about COVID, but you can be. And a couple of the experts they speak to here
00:02:41.220 basically say, don't you dare go away for the summer without getting your COVID booster. So
00:02:45.760 I wouldn't exactly call that a PSA. But like I said, some people just do not want to move on
00:02:50.800 from this era. And I think they need to be called out when they go down that road.
00:02:56.560 Let's talk about parental rights, though, because this is something we touched on a couple of weeks
00:03:01.140 back on the show in the context of New Brunswick. And what the New Brunswick government has done,
00:03:06.500 I think is quite good. I spoke to Tanya Granik-Allen, who's a great parental rights
00:03:10.640 activist about this. And she said, yeah, it's good. But it's also in many ways, some low hanging
00:03:17.360 fruit. The New Brunswick government has amended an education policy to do a number of things,
00:03:22.780 but the crux of it and what people are really getting up in arms about is to say that if a
00:03:27.560 child under the age of 16. We're not even talking about 16, 17, 18 year olds who are in grade 10,
00:03:34.700 11, 12. We're talking about, generally speaking, elementary school students and some young high
00:03:39.780 school students. If one of them wishes to officially change their gender or name at school,
00:03:46.260 they need to have parental consent to do it. Now, the policy does not actually say,
00:03:51.680 contrary to what some critics online have said, that they will be outed to parents in any other
00:03:56.720 way. In fact, if a child does not want the parent spoken to about this, then they are actually
00:04:01.960 referred to a social worker to talk about this, to offer some tips and guidance. But we're basically
00:04:07.400 saying here, if you are under 16, you shouldn't be able to do something as drastic and radical
00:04:12.140 as changing your gender without your parents knowing about it and signing off on this. And
00:04:17.380 anyone who's ever had a child go through the school system and knows how you need to sign a
00:04:22.480 permission slip for anyone, for anything, this shouldn't seem all that surprising. But this has
00:04:29.200 become a very pivotal issue because you have the Justin Trudeau government taking aim at New
00:04:34.360 Brunswick. Seamus O'Regan, for example, who is one of the ministers in Trudeau's cabinet,
00:04:39.520 had tweeted out about how this is all essentially harmful. He was going off about how kids do not
00:04:45.860 have the freedom to be themselves because of what's happening in New Brunswick. And he was
00:04:49.880 basically saying, how dare Pierre Polyev, who talks a good game about freedom, take aim at
00:04:56.440 or support this policy in New Brunswick. Now, I should say, I don't actually think it's fair to
00:05:02.300 say Pierre Polyev has been supportive of this policy directive. A couple of weeks ago, he was
00:05:08.020 doing a press conference in Toronto, and my colleague at True North, Noah Jarvis, asked him
00:05:13.640 about the New Brunswick policy. Take a look. Recently, the New Brunswick premier has made
00:05:19.000 changes to their lgbtq protection policy requiring teachers to notify parents when before they change
00:05:28.440 the use of their pronouns or in their given name what is your position on the matter
00:05:33.320 i'll let provinces make decisions about the education system
00:05:40.280 that was a case where the answer was much shorter than the question itself the answer was as
00:05:46.440 about as close to a non-answer as you can get uh noah wasn't asking about provincial rights he was
00:05:52.360 asking about the policy in particular and what peer poly have thought about it and he defaulted to
00:05:57.240 well i'll let provinces do what they're going to do now polyev gave a little bit of a better
00:06:03.160 response about it when he was asked in new brunswick where he was campaigning a couple of
00:06:07.800 days ago in moncton specifically on axing the carbon tax but again at press conferences people
00:06:13.080 People can ask whatever they want to ask.
00:06:15.460 And he gave a slightly better answer.
00:06:17.520 Take a look.
00:06:18.540 Do you stand with Premier Blaine Higgs on policy 713?
00:06:22.280 Look, this is a provincial policy.
00:06:24.900 I know that Justin Trudeau has butted into that.
00:06:28.240 The prime minister has no business in decisions that should rest with provinces and parents.
00:06:35.620 so my message to Justin Trudeau is butt out and let provinces run schools and let parents raise kids
00:06:43.200 it's like I said a slightly better response than well it's up to the provinces to decide but not
00:06:52.800 much because really what Pierre Polyev is doing there is appealing not to the core idea of parental
00:06:58.500 rights but what he's doing is appealing to the idea of provincial rights and don't get me wrong
00:07:03.080 balance of power very important division of power is very important provincial rights federalism
00:07:08.060 all of this is entirely reasonable and i'm glad to see a federal leader and potential prime minister
00:07:13.920 who's going to respect the federalist project but there's something more fundamental than just the
00:07:19.240 education system here that i feel polyev and the conservatives are missing an opportunity to seize
00:07:25.100 and it's probably fear that is going into this because you can't talk about parental rights in
00:07:30.840 this context without wading into the culture war on gender ideology and on these battles that are 0.99
00:07:36.060 taking place across the country, across the Western world, when people are asking very
00:07:41.540 critical questions, very contentious questions about what children should be taught, about what
00:07:46.680 activity should be encouraged or discouraged, about what manifestations of gender identity
00:07:52.400 should be fostered and affirmed versus treated or treated in at least some other way. And this is a
00:07:59.420 very difficult thing to do. And yes, it is a political landmine. But leadership is about
00:08:04.420 stepping into the fire when that's where the fight is. And the reason that the New Brunswick
00:08:11.200 policy is so interesting here, and I said a couple of weeks ago, I did not have on my bingo card New
00:08:16.200 Brunswick leading the charge in the culture war in a way that's stronger than the Alberta UCP
00:08:21.320 government under Danielle Smith is, for example. But the thing about what's happening in New
00:08:25.260 Brunswick is that this is being treated by the media and by folks like Justin Trudeau and Blaine
00:08:30.200 Higgs as being this gross affront to equality, to liberty, to whatever. But parents across the
00:08:37.880 country think this is an entirely reasonable thing. Parents who, I should say, are not particularly
00:08:43.440 political or conservative. That polling that Second Street did before the New Brunswick policy
00:08:48.440 came in showed that parents were pretty clearly in a solid majority on believing that something
00:08:55.220 like this happening in the schools should involve them in some way. The parents are the first and
00:09:00.420 primary educators of their children, not teachers, not school boards, and certainly not the state.
00:09:07.340 So the reason I say all of that is to say that it isn't just the morally right thing to do to
00:09:13.300 stand up for parental rights, but it is the politically right thing to do. This is actually
00:09:18.220 a political win for conservatives if they were prepared to take this on. And I think it actually
00:09:23.840 is not a coincidence that his answer is a little bit more substantive this week than it was a
00:09:31.020 couple of weeks ago, that he's prepared to go a little bit more. I don't know. And I don't want
00:09:34.760 to be too cynical here. Maybe they just got some good polling in. Maybe he was just in New Brunswick
00:09:39.160 and realized he couldn't hide with the issue when he's literally in the province in which this issue
00:09:43.920 is a live one politically but the whole point is he can't just appeal to parental or to provincial
00:09:50.320 rights without appealing to parental rights and this is the problem i've had with a lot of
00:09:55.280 conservative strategy in the past for example when the trucker vaccine mandate came into place back
00:10:01.700 in the fall of 2021 the conservatives at the time led by erin o'toole didn't come out and say the
00:10:07.880 trucker vaccine mandate is wrong because vaccine mandates are wrong they came out and said well
00:10:13.020 we don't like this because the supply chains are bad and you know grocery store shelves are
00:10:18.120 already empty and we already have inflation so we can't do something that's further going to
00:10:21.920 challenge the transportation of fruits and vegetables and meat and bread and all this
00:10:25.960 stuff to your grocery store and sure that's an argument but it's an argument that deliberately
00:10:30.680 goes around what should be and is the core argument of this debate and i think the same
00:10:36.980 thing is true here i mean yeah you can say look new brunswick has the right to govern its own
00:10:41.040 affairs and Justin Trudeau should butt out. But that misses the mark on why this issue matters
00:10:46.140 so much. What's happening in New Brunswick is not a story of federalism. Federalism may be how New
00:10:52.540 Brunswick gets away with it when it angers Justin Trudeau so much. But the story here is a province
00:10:57.900 that's saying we need to first and foremost listen to parents. A province that says we believe parents
00:11:03.980 need to be respected and by the way is providing a policy that is very measured and very reasonable
00:11:10.620 and doesn't go nearly as far as the critics of the policy think it does. Now, whether it could
00:11:15.800 or should is a different story, but there have been cabinet ministers in New Brunswick that have
00:11:20.380 said, I don't want to be a part of this government anymore. And Blaine Higgs has to his credit stuck
00:11:25.180 to his guns and said, okay, see it, bye, peace out. I don't really care because he knows that
00:11:29.940 this is the right thing to do. And the conservatives, as I've often said, cannot just be
00:11:35.880 the auditors-in-chief. They have to be the commanders-in-chief. They have to be leaders.
00:11:40.840 They have to lead on all issues. They can't just be, as I think it was Scott Hayward from Right
00:11:45.560 Now said, Justin Trudeau with a slightly better accountant. That is not what the conservatives
00:11:51.400 need to be. They have to be prepared to lead on issues. And here you have one of these coalition
00:11:55.960 building issues where just ordinary moms and dads across the country are in line with social
00:12:02.800 conservatives are in line with fiscal conservatives are in line with this is one of those rare issues
00:12:09.200 that is naturally broader than the existing conservative political coalition and they'd
00:12:14.880 be foolish to not lead on it but i say politics aside they need to lead on it because it is the
00:12:20.000 right thing to do parents matter and we cannot ignore that and cannot respect any system that 0.97
00:12:26.000 does ignore that we'll certainly talk about this more in the days and weeks to come i suspect we
00:12:30.560 We haven't heard the end of this just yet.
00:12:32.820 I should just say, too, it's really rich from Justin Trudeau, who whenever Bill 21, which
00:12:38.260 is the secularism bill in Quebec, comes up, he clams up as, oh, well, you know, province,
00:12:43.080 Quebec, provincial rights, we can't do it.
00:12:45.400 But when it's a provincial rights issue in New Brunswick, it's all about this is unsafe
00:12:48.900 and this is terrible for the children.
00:12:50.260 So it's almost as if the appeal to federalism is inconsistent at best from Justin Trudeau,
00:12:56.720 just as much as from other leaders.
00:12:59.300 Let's move on to this other issue, which admittedly was one that completely stayed off my radar
00:13:04.940 until I read about it from Janice Fiamengo's great newsletter, the Fiamengo File.
00:13:10.620 And part of the reason it completely escaped me is because it involves someone who used
00:13:14.780 to play for the NHL, which I'm told is a cricket league.
00:13:18.820 No, maybe it's football.
00:13:19.820 Hockey?
00:13:20.180 Hockey.
00:13:20.500 NHL.
00:13:20.920 Hockey.
00:13:21.220 Yeah.
00:13:22.720 I get so many angry emails when I do that gag.
00:13:25.460 I know NHL is hockey.
00:13:26.760 That's about all I know.
00:13:27.640 But it was a rather moving PSA from a former NHL figure.
00:13:32.520 Let's roll this for you now.
00:13:35.360 Standing by.
00:13:39.560 I don't remember the hit.
00:13:41.740 I remember everything leading up to it, but nothing after.
00:13:46.340 He came from behind me.
00:13:48.040 I didn't see it coming.
00:13:49.580 I was hit in the side of the head.
00:13:52.020 I remember being confused.
00:13:53.660 My ears were ringing.
00:13:55.940 It's hard to talk about.
00:13:57.640 I still experience pain, mood swings, the headaches are debilitating.
00:14:04.660 But this isn't my story.
00:14:08.220 It's mine.
00:14:09.280 that was former Vancouver Canucks captain Trevor Linden in a PSA for the YWCA
00:14:34.480 talking about the disparity between concussions in hockey and concussions in women who have suffered from domestic violence.
00:14:43.440 Now, I should say, first and foremost, it's a very compelling, powerful ad.
00:14:48.460 It's very well produced. It's a well presented message.
00:14:52.840 It's a shocking message when they say 92% of women, girls and gender diverse people
00:14:58.840 who experience traumatic brain injury do so as a result of violence by an intimate partner.
00:15:05.440 And they also talk about the staggering statistics of what percentage of women
00:15:10.140 will encounter a brain injury from this.
00:15:13.140 And I'll talk about those numbers in a moment, but I just first want to say
00:15:16.640 it's often very odd when people try to link two disparate issues and two distinct issues
00:15:23.700 together. One kind of random one that just happened to come up yesterday is this tweet from
00:15:29.780 Neurodiversity Ireland. So neurodiversity is typically the world of autism. And they say
00:15:35.460 that there's no neurodiversity without LGBTQ plus. And we can't be neuroaffirming without being
00:15:41.020 LGBTQ plus affirming. And we can't respect people with autism unless we respect people with
00:15:46.220 LGBTQ plus identity. And you're looking at this and you're like, I don't know why these two things 0.50
00:15:51.760 matter. And this is where you get into territory where you're making comparisons that are leading
00:15:57.420 people to a particular conclusion that might not be the right one. But in this particular case,
00:16:02.300 we have numbers that are contributing to that. Janice Fiamengo is a retired professor from the
00:16:07.740 University of Ottawa and also writes the Fiamengo file on Substack and joins me now. Janice, good to
00:16:13.620 to you thanks for coming on today well thank you very much for having me on your show andrew i
00:16:19.140 i'm really pleased to be able to talk about this concussion campaign hoax the key paragraph here
00:16:27.380 just to to put into context that staggering number there is that four in ten women and girls in 1.00
00:16:33.700 canada will face violent from a current or former partner according to statisticians canada and
00:16:38.980 92 percent of those will suffer a traumatic brain injury due to blows to their head or
00:16:45.220 strangulation and you say in your newsletter here uh that is effectively saying that more
00:16:49.700 than 30 percent of canadian women more than and girls more than three and ten will get a brain
00:16:54.980 injury from battering so the numbers are pretty clear there what's what do they get wrong well
00:17:01.700 everything is wrong in it it's also mentioned that for every one professional hockey player
00:17:07.860 who experiences a concussion 7 000 girls and women in canada will experience traumatic brain injury
00:17:16.500 or a concussion so i looked that up it says that on average about 80 professional hockey players
00:17:23.300 suffer concussion a year so 80 times 7 000 that if my math is correct would be about 560
00:17:32.900 thousand Canadian girls and women suffering concussion from intimate partner violence
00:17:38.740 every year. That is a staggering number. Now how has that number arrived at? Well first of all
00:17:46.100 there's the reference to the StatsCan survey which found that more than four in ten Canadian women
00:17:54.260 reported suffering from intimate partner violence in their lifetimes. It also happened to mention that
00:18:00.500 about one-third of Canadian boys and men reported suffering from intimate partner violence as well,
00:18:07.220 but of course that's not mentioned. Then it gets to another study that makes this claim about 92%.
00:18:15.220 However, when you look into both of these studies, you realize that the social science behind the
00:18:22.100 claims is simply not it's it doesn't support those particular claims and i really looked into this
00:18:30.420 very carefully for one the claim about 44 percent of girls and women suffering intimate partner
00:18:38.180 violence it is a large survey conducted by stats can over 43 000 people but they measure violence
00:18:48.820 so extremely elastically that it clearly has nothing to do with concussions but they count
00:18:55.060 violence to include psychological violence that means being called a bad name they count a wide
00:19:01.460 range of so-called physical violence including someone punching a wall having an object thrown
00:19:08.180 at you that may or may not have hit you that you know might have caused damage if it had
00:19:13.380 they count um being forced or someone trying to force you to perform a sex act that you didn't
00:19:21.140 want to perform uh shoving all sorts of things so and and while i would agree that some of these
00:19:28.180 things are certainly abusive and some of them are violence i don't think the psychological violence
00:19:34.420 is quite at the same level being called a bad name um but but certainly it is hard to see how
00:19:40.340 those types of violence could possibly lead to traumatic brain injury so there's a big problem
00:19:47.540 with the total number there when we go to the 92 it gets even stranger but just to jump in on on
00:19:55.940 those figures first because i i i want to just preempt the obvious criticism here that you and
00:20:01.460 i are downplaying this when i i certainly am not and i i know you're not and i believe that abuse
00:20:06.260 is wrong but abuse and violence have never in my understanding been synonyms i mean i'll defer to
00:20:11.540 you as the english professor those words have very different meanings so they're including things that
00:20:16.660 are non that are abusive and non-physical as violence yes and that's a huge problem for
00:20:24.820 understanding what it means when people start talking about the numbers of women and girls
00:20:30.660 who suffer from supposed violence and violence that's not directed at the woman or girl but at
00:20:36.580 a wall or throwing a plate or something which again could be very threatening it could be very
00:20:40.740 traumatizing could be a stepping stone to violence but it is not directed at a person right and it
00:20:47.060 has absolutely nothing to do with traumatic brain injury clearly and uh you know they it's impossible
00:20:53.300 to tell from the survey how severe the violence was that was reported so they lump in everything
00:20:59.780 if you remember that 20 years ago you had a jealous partner that will be counted as your
00:21:06.580 having experienced violence along with everything else there isn't even a category in the stats can
00:21:12.980 survey and the report that was based on it for the types of violence that lead to traumatic brain
00:21:20.100 injury which are choking until you pass out or violence to your head they don't even have a
00:21:27.060 category for blows to the head so they're talking about a whole range of issues they they lumped
00:21:32.980 together for example being shoved pushed or thrown down well even right there it's impossible to know
00:21:41.940 how severe to be shoved yes that might be quite severe or might not be very severe at all
00:21:47.300 and uh and and there is no way of telling from the survey whether that violence led to the person
00:21:53.700 having to go to the hospital you know whether it led to an actual injury or not it is simply a
00:21:59.700 a way of measuring self-reports we don't really know what those numbers mean at all and the
00:22:06.180 range of types of acts or verbal acts that are measured there is simply far too elastic to draw
00:22:13.300 any clear conclusions about numbers so with that how do they get to that 92 percent so 92 is even
00:22:21.380 stranger and I find more shocking. It refers to a study, which then refers to another study.
00:22:29.860 It's so it isn't even the study that's referred to. That study is an American study of Black women
00:22:35.580 who experienced severe violence, both in childhood and in their adult life, specifically being
00:22:44.780 choked or being knocked unconscious out of those it was only 95 women that's a fairly small survey 0.51
00:22:52.460 out of those women about 33 experienced uh assumed not even clarified but assumed
00:23:02.060 traumatic brain injury now within that study it referred in a background section of the report to
00:23:07.980 another study that found up to 92%, listen to this, of women who experienced traumatic brain
00:23:18.380 injury, 92% of those women had received the traumatic brain injury as a result of intimate
00:23:27.600 partner violence. So then they flipped the numbers around and said that of women who experience
00:23:34.080 intimate partner violence, up to 92% will have traumatic brain injury. I think that's called
00:23:41.300 a faulty syllogism. I think I learned that in my first week of research methods in university,
00:23:49.400 which was like a mandatory course that everyone had to do of like one of the things that you are
00:23:53.320 never supposed to do when analyzing data is reverse your cause and your effect. Yes. I find
00:24:00.420 that shocking it either indicates i mean i don't know what what to conclude about that except that
00:24:05.460 either the researchers who come up with these claims are not able to read the studies that
00:24:13.860 they're basing their claims on or it means that they are deliberately misinforming us misrepresenting
00:24:22.100 the studies that they're relying on but either way it is a shocking misrepresentation of the
00:24:28.500 reality of intimate partner violence your your point on this is something i i'm curious about
00:24:36.180 because obviously i think facts matter and i think regardless this is not uh in my view a moral
00:24:41.940 judgment on on the substance of this it's it's saying that these are the numbers and the numbers
00:24:46.980 don't lie unless we interpret them the way they do and then we can twist them but but ultimately
00:24:53.140 this is still a real issue and and we know that intimate partner violence exists and we know that
00:24:57.140 it can have very serious mental and physical consequences so why why is this something that's
00:25:02.660 so important to you well for one thing although we know that intimate partner violence exists i
00:25:09.300 don't think we really have any clear understanding of how prevalent it is and how serious it is
00:25:16.980 and i don't think we have any understanding from these kinds of studies which inflame the situation
00:25:24.420 notice of course again uh male victims of violence are never mentioned here so no and there have been
00:25:31.860 some statistics canada surveys that have found males are 50 of victims of intimate partner violence
00:25:37.620 this particular one found that males report violence at a rate of 36 in their lifetimes
00:25:46.100 boys and men will experience some form of intimate partner violence compared to that 44
00:25:50.900 percent so that is not a massive discrepancy there and we're talking about mostly boys and
00:25:58.020 men who are victimized by girls and women so um when we're talking about violence i think it's
00:26:04.420 very important to understand that violence is a human problem it is not a problem in which males
00:26:11.060 are solely perpetrators and girls and women are solely victims it tends to be caused not as the
00:26:18.340 feminists will tell us because men are exerting their power over women and girls and you know 1.00
00:26:23.940 through violence which is what this campaign specifically says but no actually most people
00:26:29.860 who are not feminist ideologues who study this problem will tell us that violence occurs because 1.00
00:26:36.340 of a variety of circumstances they're the same for both males and females and they have to do with
00:26:43.140 substance abuse they have to have to do with mental illness and they have to do with
00:26:47.940 childhood abuse people who are abused as children tend to become abusers so that is a much more
00:26:56.340 human way of understanding the problem i would say a much more useful way and what a campaign
00:27:01.940 like this does with these really staggering numbers is it demonizes boys and men and it
00:27:11.140 terrorizes girls and women and it misinforms girls and women about the realities of the world that
00:27:18.420 we live in and i think it it it makes it seem justified to treat boys and men as a category 1.00
00:27:26.820 of human being who are deserving of contempt disgust and harsh punishment and i think it
00:27:34.340 also means that when boys and men are accused of violence or sexual violence that we tend to think
00:27:40.740 yeah they're probably guilty because i heard that horrific statistic about 560 000 girls and women 0.90
00:27:47.780 a year being the victim of intimate partner violence so this is probably a case where this
00:27:52.820 guy did what he's being accused of doing and i think that's just terrible it really uh miss
00:27:59.220 miseducates all of us about the realities of men and women's lives i i mentioned before i brought
00:28:06.820 you in that rather absurd tweet trying to link you know autism awareness with pride and i i think
00:28:12.660 that we're seeing to maybe not as dramatic a way of doing that but but something very similar here
00:28:18.260 of taking this issue that people know that there's been a lot of advocacy on and research in which
00:28:22.580 is concussions and brain injuries traumatic brain injuries and trying to like push it into this other
00:28:27.220 narrative and and in a way that maybe it just doesn't quite fit at all and it's not to say
00:28:32.420 there can't be traumatic brain injury from this but it's like if there is that's not the core
00:28:37.220 issue the core issue is the intimate partner violence yes and i find that often when you
00:28:42.900 read these studies there was a study a few years ago that's been well some years ago now but it's
00:28:47.940 been repeatedly cited about the relationship between violence against women and uh natural
00:28:56.180 disasters. There was a huge kerfuffle years ago about the Australian wildfires and claims made
00:29:03.000 that men who came home from fighting those fires were taking out their stress on the women and
00:29:08.240 girls in their lives. And the study that was cited to prove this was a study about Hurricane Katrina
00:29:14.000 that claimed that violence against women had doubled following Hurricane Katrina. And when 0.87
00:29:20.860 When I looked into that study, it was unbelievable how weak the research was on which that claim
00:29:27.620 was based.
00:29:28.620 It was a tiny study.
00:29:30.260 It showed that yes, violence had allegedly doubled, but it had gone from a tiny, tiny
00:29:35.260 number in this small study to double that number, which is essentially meaningless when
00:29:39.780 the numbers are so low.
00:29:40.780 And it found that violence against boys and men, what they had reported anyway, had been
00:29:46.360 higher both before and after Hurricane Katrina.
00:29:49.780 So boys and men were reporting higher levels of psychological violence and higher levels of physical violence, both before and after.
00:29:56.200 And that was never mentioned in any of the discussions about the meaning of the connection between disaster and violence against women.
00:30:03.080 So, so, so often there are attempts to, as they say, raise awareness and call for greater resources to be put into protecting girls and women.
00:30:14.460 and it's based on extremely shaky statistics and it seems designed really just to support a
00:30:22.360 particular worldview in this case in which men are always guilty and women are always innocent
00:30:28.120 victims and it's a shame. Yeah and I'm glad you mentioned the percentage issue because that's
00:30:33.560 always been this point that I've tried to take issue with because I think it's one of the most
00:30:37.840 insidious ways in which something is overblown in terms of its effect. I know with hate crimes we
00:30:43.700 see it all the time where uh there'll be a report that says oh you know hate crimes against this
00:30:47.780 group have increased by 60 percent and you look at the numbers and they've gone up by 14 you know 14
00:30:53.620 individual cases and that's a an increase in in 60 and i remember i wrote a column about this years
00:30:59.540 ago when i was with global news and the editor actually would not publish uh large parts of it
00:31:05.220 because they say well no percentages don't lie and i said well actually they do uh you know if
00:31:09.780 they don't lie in the sense that yes 60 percent of you know 100 is 60 but they they do lie when
00:31:15.620 you're trying to make a point that something has had this dramatic increase you know there's a
00:31:19.860 difference between something going up from a thousand to sixteen hundred say and something
00:31:24.100 going up from ten to sixteen indeed yes and that is the thing and you know and it's so frustrating
00:31:30.580 when you see that people are people with an agenda are quite willing to obfuscate by using the
00:31:38.100 percentage rather than giving us the actual numbers and so many of us don't have time you
00:31:43.700 know to look this took me a couple hours you know to read through that huge stats can report and to
00:31:50.180 actually figure out what they meant by violence and then to look through the various studies that
00:31:55.700 were cited to prove this 92 percent number most people don't have time to do that kind of research
00:32:01.700 So that's why it's so important that the people who are doing the reporting are scrupulous about explaining to us what those numbers actually mean.
00:32:12.160 And when you mix in advocacy, you know, political agendas with reporting, you get this kind of, you know, phantasmatic scaremongering.
00:32:25.820 And it's, yeah, it's really concerning.
00:32:28.220 Janice Fiamengo, you can read her takedown of this PSA and lots of other great work over at
00:32:34.840 the Fiamengo file on Substack. Janice, thank you so much for coming on today. Great to talk to you
00:32:39.520 as always. Great to talk to you, Andrew. All right. Thanks very much. And yeah, and again,
00:32:44.020 I don't want to at all dismiss or diminish the importance and significance of this issue. I think
00:32:50.040 violence is wrong. I certainly think domestic violence is wrong, but I think we need to have
00:32:54.200 a very honest discussion about it. And I don't like when people are trying to just link all
00:32:58.100 these different things together in a way that doesn't quite align with reality. We are going
00:33:07.120 to wind down for this program. I had a burning question from one viewer who writes, how beautiful
00:33:12.800 are the women over there in France? That's the question we need an answer to. Well, I would say 1.00
00:33:18.580 never nearly as beautiful as one particular woman back in Canada. That is my answer and I am sticking 1.00
00:33:26.920 to it. But it is good to be over here. I actually haven't had a chance to see much of France yet. I
00:33:32.780 got in this morning. I got to the hotel. I'm in like the generic nondescript hotel room here to
00:33:38.160 do the show. So I haven't actually enjoyed too, too much of it. But hopefully we'll have some
00:33:41.900 pictures and stories and footage from the road in the days to come. One thing that I am going
00:33:48.440 to point out though, just very briefly, I saw this ad on the plane. I was watching a movie before I
00:33:55.940 fell asleep, but I can't, I'm not, no, I remember the movie. I'm not telling you the movie because
00:33:59.120 it was embarrassing. But I was watching a movie and you have to watch before the movie starts a
00:34:04.080 bunch of ads because it's not enough that you've paid Air Canada however much to ride the, to take
00:34:08.540 the plane. You also have to watch advertising. And I saw this particular ad, which I was like,
00:34:13.860 I have to talk about this on the show tonight.
00:34:15.360 So I went and found it online
00:34:17.060 and I can play this 15 second ad for you.
00:34:20.360 Now I'm not trying to give these a free advertising
00:34:22.240 because I'm going to mock the whole thing
00:34:23.660 and you'll understand why the second you see it.
00:34:26.060 Roll that.
00:34:43.860 okay so the whole point is you're trying to get your ice cream and the seagull comes and steals
00:34:50.260 the ice cream and then the steel seagull comes and steals your cash and then you can pay visa because
00:34:55.620 this seagull that has managed to steal your ice cream and your cash where you're with it with
00:35:01.540 immense surgical precision and speed is not also going to take your credit card that's the premise
00:35:08.740 we're supposed to rely on here. But then the tagline, all of the ad was fine. CGI seagulls
00:35:15.540 are great. That's good. All of it comes to an end when they say that Visa is safer than cash.
00:35:23.300 This ties in well with the push we've been talking about in the last few weeks toward
00:35:27.480 digital ID and digital currency. This idea that cash is king is one that is increasingly under
00:35:33.840 threat from government and from people that have a significant financial stake in the digitization
00:35:38.460 of the economy, places like Visa and MasterCard. And the interesting thing is, let's just go with
00:35:45.300 the narrative here. If someone steals $20 out of your hand, be it a Siegel or someone else,
00:35:49.920 you've lost $20. If someone steals your Visa card, you could be out thousands of dollars.
00:35:54.560 And even if you manage to get the charges returned, you still have to deal with the
00:35:59.600 hassle of doing that. And sometimes you aren't able to do it. So the idea that cash is less
00:36:04.660 safe than a credit card misses the mark entirely. And more importantly, it is a lot more reliable
00:36:11.440 to have cash. We live in a country in which the government froze the bank accounts and credit
00:36:16.060 cards of its political critics, which you cannot freeze cash is the one message that people need
00:36:22.120 to realize here. So anyway, I've gotten like a 60 second rant out of a 15 second ad that I saw on a
00:36:26.940 plane, but I had to get it off my chest. Sean, the producer here says he likes the ad because
00:36:32.640 seagulls deserve more media representation. So Sean's going to go all intersectional and say
00:36:37.780 that we need more diversity in film to encompass the seagulls. So we'll have seagulls lives matter
00:36:44.280 posters on the show before long, but that does it for us for today. We will talk to you on Friday
00:36:49.780 with a special Canada day edition of the show, which we already have recorded. So if you wonder
00:36:55.600 why I'm all of a sudden back home and not in Paris covering the free Iran conference, that's why.
00:37:00.320 and we'll have footage from this when we are able to get it to you, probably on Monday's show,
00:37:06.060 but we'll have some online between now and then. And just by way of context, I know that this is
00:37:11.240 not necessarily the biggest burning issue for a lot of Canadians. So I'll write about this a
00:37:16.720 little bit, but the question of why Iran matters, it's not just because I believe in meddling in
00:37:22.240 other countries' affairs, quite the contrary, in fact. It's that Iran is a country that is a 0.93
00:37:26.940 powerful force in supporting terrorism and actually perpetrating acts of terrorism around
00:37:32.460 the world. And it is the Iranian regime, backed by China in large ways, that allows it to do this. 0.89
00:37:39.460 And it is interesting that this conference two years ago in Paris, no, it was more than that,
00:37:44.160 a few years ago in Paris, was the target of a bombing plot by an Iranian diplomat. And hopefully 1.00
00:37:52.220 I will survive this week. Thankfully, they managed to thwart that attack and the guy is serving a
00:37:57.780 prolonged prison sentence now. But that is what happens if you take a stand for freedom. You end
00:38:02.980 up in the crosshairs of the regimes who deplore freedom. So that's what we're doing. Hopefully
00:38:07.220 we'll live to tell the tale and I look forward to being back in the studio with you before long.
00:38:12.140 But do tune in to the Friday Canada Day special and have a great rest of the week. Thank you,
00:38:16.880 God bless, and good day to you all.
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