Juno News - August 21, 2021


Conservatives say Canadian government needs to ramp up Afghanistan response


Episode Stats


Length

11 minutes

Words per minute

180.59668

Word count

2,155

Sentence count

25

Harmful content

Misogyny

1

sentences flagged

Hate speech

2

sentences flagged


Summary

Summaries generated with gmurro/bart-large-finetuned-filtered-spotify-podcast-summ .

Alex Ruff, a Canadian Armed Forces veteran who served in Afghanistan, joins me to talk about his experience in Afghanistan and what the government needs to do to respond. We discuss the impact of the government's failure to respond to the growing humanitarian and military crisis in Afghanistan.

Transcript

Transcript generated with Whisper (turbo).
Misogyny classifications generated with MilaNLProc/bert-base-uncased-ear-misogyny .
Hate speech classifications generated with facebook/roberta-hate-speech-dynabench-r4-target .
00:00:00.000 I do want to spend some time talking about Afghanistan here which has been one of the
00:00:10.120 bigger election issues just because the election was called in the midst of this crisis which is
00:00:14.460 both a military and a humanitarian crisis. The Conservatives, a bunch of MPs or not MPs rather
00:00:21.800 candidates, did a press conference the other day in which they talked about their plan and the
00:00:26.260 Conservatives have pushed for the Liberals to suspend their campaign at least the Liberals who
00:00:31.240 have cabinet portfolios tied to what's happening in Afghanistan and I wanted to expand on that a bit
00:00:37.900 because Alex Ruff who is a Canadian Armed Forces veteran himself who served in Afghanistan had some
00:00:44.120 very interesting thoughts about the mission itself and about where we are as a country and I wanted to
00:00:51.380 extrapolate on some of those with Alex Ruff the Conservative candidate seeking re-election
00:00:56.240 in Bruce Gray-Owen Sound. I was going to say the MP you're not the MP anymore with Parliament having
00:01:01.200 been dissolved. Alex good to have you on the show thanks for joining me. Thanks for having me Andrew.
00:01:06.100 Now before serving as a Member of Parliament you served in Afghanistan in the Canadian Armed Forces
00:01:12.080 just before we get into what's happening now and how the government could or should be responding
00:01:17.640 how has it been for you as someone who spent time there as part of the coalition seeing all of this
00:01:23.920 work over the last 20 years just being unraveled in the span of a few weeks? Well that's a tough
00:01:29.940 question Andrew and I've been getting lots of feedback from colleagues of mine and even people
00:01:35.660 still in uniform and it's tough it's disappointing it makes you kind of question sometimes hey could I've
00:01:42.440 done something differently could the whole coalition have done something differently to address
00:01:47.400 the challenges that Afghanistan has faced and now will face going into the future. I'm still a bit
00:01:54.280 of a glass half full not right now with the you know sort of the lack of action on getting those
00:02:00.800 Afghans out that need to be brought out and that are fleeing for their lives but just from the fact that 1.00
00:02:08.300 we did the coalition Canada in particular we spent you know the better part of a decade 15 years there
00:02:14.360 the coalition writ large almost 20 years and we've educated and help educate a generation and this is a
00:02:23.120 generational sort of change that's the the challenge with any counterinsurgency and the sort of full
00:02:29.780 spectrum operations that occur today in today's contemporary operating environment and if you don't
00:02:35.240 understand that and understand that really ultimately the the solution for Afghanistan has to come from the
00:02:41.920 Afghans themselves and that is through a long process I'm still optimistic there's a whole generation
00:02:47.820 that now realize that they can have more and ultimately you never know one of those young girls 0.60
00:02:53.900 that was educated and got educated due to the impact and influence that we had historically us can't as
00:03:01.640 Canadian as Canadians and as the coalition I think that there is a potential there that maybe one of them
00:03:07.060 will be you know back down the road to future prime minister of Afghanistan and that the country
00:03:11.660 eventually will come out of this but unfortunately right now they are going through some very tough
00:03:16.960 days and I think you know we now have to do our part in particular to help those that helped us when
00:03:24.000 we needed help to you know help them. And you are right to point out there are two aspects of this
00:03:30.180 there's the what do we do long term about the Taliban we know that we've been down this road in part
00:03:35.560 before with the Taliban running the show and and then being ousted and having a democratic government
00:03:41.060 replace it and then there's also the here and now and those images of people just you know clinging on
00:03:46.940 to the wheel of an airplane taking off and falling I think will be burned into all of our memories for
00:03:52.460 generations to come. You mentioned the the Afghans that helped Canada and I'm having trouble with this 1.00
00:03:58.380 because Justin Drew has said that the government's on top of it they're all getting ex they're all getting
00:04:03.160 evacuated from the region I mean what's the breakdown here what isn't happening that we're being told is
00:04:09.000 happening? Well so part of the challenge is you know the lack of transparency and just how much
00:04:15.040 information is being put out there because what we're hearing from people and colleagues and
00:04:19.360 connections right into Afghanistan is that they have no way to communicate and get their names and
00:04:24.940 there's lists and their names of people that and Afghans on the ground and Canadian citizens I know of
00:04:30.160 Canadian citizens that are on the ground there that are hunkered down and having that same problem of
00:04:34.740 getting in contact with the appropriate Canadian authorities with the embassy etc so that they can
00:04:40.820 actually find their way and get to that safe location and link up to get evacuated. I know the government does
00:04:48.160 have stuff ongoing but the problem right now is that lack of communication and that ability to get that
00:04:54.060 clarity and information to those on the ground that need to get out and you know this is right goes back
00:05:00.880 to last week when they made that announcement I was happy to hear that they're planning on getting
00:05:04.660 20,000 Afghans out and I think Trudeau's even mentioned up to 21,000 now but I raised this concern over
00:05:11.860 a month ago in the public through a statement through you know a letter to a national paper saying look
00:05:19.820 you have a very short window to do this anybody that saw this coming knew that you only have a couple
00:05:25.760 weeks and now we're the Taliban have capitalized on the U.S. withdrawal they're now in Kabul they've
00:05:33.620 successfully seized so many of the key crossing and border points so it's going to require even more
00:05:38.760 effort now to get these people out than if they if we would have taken action sooner. This may be a
00:05:45.060 difficult question to answer but I'm curious at what point you think that window closes and it
00:05:50.380 becomes too risky to put Canadian soldiers over there I know they're very well trained I know that
00:05:56.260 the U.S. is still controlling the airport for the time being but but at what point is it too risky to
00:06:01.560 do all of these things we need to do? I can't honestly answer that without access to you know what I
00:06:07.500 would have had when I was still in uniform you know the intelligence sources the information on the
00:06:11.420 ground but ultimately I think that the final deadline is September 11th that's what from
00:06:17.040 what I understand the U.S. has indicated that they intend to have every one of their forces out of
00:06:21.840 Afghanistan so it's tied to our coalition partners it's tied to our allies and what they can do but
00:06:28.040 ultimately our Canadian Armed Forces are well trained as you mentioned we they are prepared to do this
00:06:33.020 and ultimately you don't make any decision from a foreign policy or a national defense perspective
00:06:39.420 without some level of risk but every soldier sailor air crew in the Canadian Armed Forces
00:06:45.720 knows that we signed up for that it's a voluntary military here in Canada and we knew right from the
00:06:53.620 you know that's what makes our service personnel unique is they they're willing to make that supreme
00:06:58.920 sacrifice if they have to to do the right thing and what our government decides to do for us as
00:07:04.880 military personnel so ultimately I can't speak to the exact timeline I just know that window is closing
00:07:11.880 very very quickly and the Taliban aren't an organization they're a terrorist group that will
00:07:18.960 not respect the rules of law and the international rules of law they're not afraid they're killing people
00:07:24.560 they'll hunt them down and commit terrible crimes if we don't get these people out immediately
00:07:30.340 obviously it's the U.S. that's driving the withdrawal and the U.S. withdrawal that's triggered a lot of this
00:07:36.420 but but I'm curious where you think Canada could have played a role if it could have in mitigating
00:07:41.540 some of the damage up until now you mean with respect to getting these people out yes yeah well so as soon
00:07:48.860 as the U.S. had indicated that withdrawal was coming months ago I can't remember whether it was February
00:07:54.680 March or when they had indicated under President Biden that they were going to do this that's when
00:07:59.700 the government should have clued in right up right off the get-go because we have phenomenal planners
00:08:05.580 I've worked in our Canadian Joint Operations Command in the planning team there they they could have spun
00:08:11.720 this up in no time flat and started putting these programs in place to help getting these people out
00:08:17.920 because you know it just you should have we were tied to that September 11th deadline so they should
00:08:24.280 have been able to hey here's the drop dead date what's their background what are those triggers
00:08:28.540 in a planning process that go oh geez Taliban have now seized this all right well this speeds up the
00:08:35.560 timeline so the planning could have all been easily done if the will was there but ultimately Canadian
00:08:41.100 Armed Forces follows the direction that they get from our elected officials we have it's up to the
00:08:45.920 government to provide that direction and then the military will provide options I don't like
00:08:51.600 politicizing something that should be a very unified issue and I believe that genuinely speaking
00:08:57.880 liberal candidates conservative candidates NDP candidates all want what's best for Canadians and
00:09:03.420 Afghans here but I do have to question a bit about the the amount of attention that's being given to
00:09:08.400 this because we have Justin Trudeau on the campaign trail I know that the acting chief of the defense
00:09:13.160 staff is also in Hawaii for a conference with other chiefs of the defense staff this week have you
00:09:18.440 gotten the sense that this is being made a priority by some part of the government or some part of the
00:09:24.620 armed forces I can't speak for the armed forces obviously I'm not in and I try especially right now
00:09:31.460 and everything going on I don't want to put any other you know for my personal connections at risk for
00:09:36.260 for anything that's politically tied but I mean it's no different than the statement that myself and
00:09:41.500 Michael Chong put out the other day you know saying look the minister of national defense immigration
00:09:47.880 foreign affairs they should all be you know stopping ceasing their campaigning right now and focused on
00:09:54.740 getting making sure their efforts done on this you know and getting this out and I mean I think that is
00:09:59.900 the only real political consideration is when this crisis became so evident you know in the last couple
00:10:06.640 weeks it does question why the prime minister why Trudeau decided to call an election when I think
00:10:13.720 personally he could have held off on that decision if he was still set on calling this this election
00:10:18.700 that's fine and dandy but at least get this piece of it done first and foremost to make sure that
00:10:23.980 guidance was going out there and that the focus by the ministers was on dealing with this
00:10:29.840 international humanitarian crisis that to me is more important than any election Canadians aren't
00:10:36.980 going to remember who won or lost an election necessarily or that you know that mp themselves
00:10:42.740 or that candidate as much as they're going to remember whether they did the right thing or not
00:10:46.980 in helping prevent this crisis and right now's you know these ministers have that ability to
00:10:54.780 influence this and focus on this more than just getting re-elected Alex Ruff conservative candidate
00:11:00.920 for Bruce Gray Owen Sound thanks very much for your time thank you Andrew that was Canadian Armed Forces
00:11:07.440 Afghanistan veteran and conservative candidate in Bruce Gray Owen Sound Alex Ruff my thanks to Alex
00:11:13.420 for coming on the show we will have lots of different candidates from different parties in the shows to
00:11:18.460 come over the next few weeks so fear not we will hopefully get to some of those who have unique
00:11:23.960 stories or unique angles on issues we obviously aren't able to cover every candidate from every
00:11:28.720 party in each of the 338 ridings but we want candidates of interest ridings of interest and
00:11:34.640 issues of interest where a candidate has some expertise to speak on it like in the case of Alex Ruff
00:11:40.060 and Afghanistan thanks for listening to the Andrew Lawton show support the program by donating to
00:11:44.960 true north at www.tnc.news
00:11:55.540 you