Conservatives say Canadian government needs to ramp up Afghanistan response
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Alex Ruff, a Canadian Armed Forces veteran who served in Afghanistan, joins me to talk about his experience in Afghanistan and what the government needs to do to respond. We discuss the impact of the government's failure to respond to the growing humanitarian and military crisis in Afghanistan.
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I do want to spend some time talking about Afghanistan here which has been one of the
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bigger election issues just because the election was called in the midst of this crisis which is
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both a military and a humanitarian crisis. The Conservatives, a bunch of MPs or not MPs rather
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candidates, did a press conference the other day in which they talked about their plan and the
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Conservatives have pushed for the Liberals to suspend their campaign at least the Liberals who
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have cabinet portfolios tied to what's happening in Afghanistan and I wanted to expand on that a bit
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because Alex Ruff who is a Canadian Armed Forces veteran himself who served in Afghanistan had some
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very interesting thoughts about the mission itself and about where we are as a country and I wanted to
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extrapolate on some of those with Alex Ruff the Conservative candidate seeking re-election
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in Bruce Gray-Owen Sound. I was going to say the MP you're not the MP anymore with Parliament having
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been dissolved. Alex good to have you on the show thanks for joining me. Thanks for having me Andrew.
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Now before serving as a Member of Parliament you served in Afghanistan in the Canadian Armed Forces
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just before we get into what's happening now and how the government could or should be responding
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how has it been for you as someone who spent time there as part of the coalition seeing all of this
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work over the last 20 years just being unraveled in the span of a few weeks? Well that's a tough
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question Andrew and I've been getting lots of feedback from colleagues of mine and even people
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still in uniform and it's tough it's disappointing it makes you kind of question sometimes hey could I've
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done something differently could the whole coalition have done something differently to address
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the challenges that Afghanistan has faced and now will face going into the future. I'm still a bit
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of a glass half full not right now with the you know sort of the lack of action on getting those
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Afghans out that need to be brought out and that are fleeing for their lives but just from the fact that
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we did the coalition Canada in particular we spent you know the better part of a decade 15 years there
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the coalition writ large almost 20 years and we've educated and help educate a generation and this is a
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generational sort of change that's the the challenge with any counterinsurgency and the sort of full
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spectrum operations that occur today in today's contemporary operating environment and if you don't
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understand that and understand that really ultimately the the solution for Afghanistan has to come from the
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Afghans themselves and that is through a long process I'm still optimistic there's a whole generation
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that now realize that they can have more and ultimately you never know one of those young girls
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that was educated and got educated due to the impact and influence that we had historically us can't as
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Canadian as Canadians and as the coalition I think that there is a potential there that maybe one of them
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will be you know back down the road to future prime minister of Afghanistan and that the country
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eventually will come out of this but unfortunately right now they are going through some very tough
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days and I think you know we now have to do our part in particular to help those that helped us when
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we needed help to you know help them. And you are right to point out there are two aspects of this
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there's the what do we do long term about the Taliban we know that we've been down this road in part
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before with the Taliban running the show and and then being ousted and having a democratic government
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replace it and then there's also the here and now and those images of people just you know clinging on
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to the wheel of an airplane taking off and falling I think will be burned into all of our memories for
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generations to come. You mentioned the the Afghans that helped Canada and I'm having trouble with this
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because Justin Drew has said that the government's on top of it they're all getting ex they're all getting
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evacuated from the region I mean what's the breakdown here what isn't happening that we're being told is
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happening? Well so part of the challenge is you know the lack of transparency and just how much
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information is being put out there because what we're hearing from people and colleagues and
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connections right into Afghanistan is that they have no way to communicate and get their names and
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there's lists and their names of people that and Afghans on the ground and Canadian citizens I know of
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Canadian citizens that are on the ground there that are hunkered down and having that same problem of
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getting in contact with the appropriate Canadian authorities with the embassy etc so that they can
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actually find their way and get to that safe location and link up to get evacuated. I know the government does
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have stuff ongoing but the problem right now is that lack of communication and that ability to get that
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clarity and information to those on the ground that need to get out and you know this is right goes back
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to last week when they made that announcement I was happy to hear that they're planning on getting
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20,000 Afghans out and I think Trudeau's even mentioned up to 21,000 now but I raised this concern over
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a month ago in the public through a statement through you know a letter to a national paper saying look
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you have a very short window to do this anybody that saw this coming knew that you only have a couple
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weeks and now we're the Taliban have capitalized on the U.S. withdrawal they're now in Kabul they've
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successfully seized so many of the key crossing and border points so it's going to require even more
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effort now to get these people out than if they if we would have taken action sooner. This may be a
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difficult question to answer but I'm curious at what point you think that window closes and it
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becomes too risky to put Canadian soldiers over there I know they're very well trained I know that
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the U.S. is still controlling the airport for the time being but but at what point is it too risky to
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do all of these things we need to do? I can't honestly answer that without access to you know what I
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would have had when I was still in uniform you know the intelligence sources the information on the
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ground but ultimately I think that the final deadline is September 11th that's what from
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what I understand the U.S. has indicated that they intend to have every one of their forces out of
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Afghanistan so it's tied to our coalition partners it's tied to our allies and what they can do but
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ultimately our Canadian Armed Forces are well trained as you mentioned we they are prepared to do this
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and ultimately you don't make any decision from a foreign policy or a national defense perspective
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without some level of risk but every soldier sailor air crew in the Canadian Armed Forces
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knows that we signed up for that it's a voluntary military here in Canada and we knew right from the
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you know that's what makes our service personnel unique is they they're willing to make that supreme
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sacrifice if they have to to do the right thing and what our government decides to do for us as
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military personnel so ultimately I can't speak to the exact timeline I just know that window is closing
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very very quickly and the Taliban aren't an organization they're a terrorist group that will
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not respect the rules of law and the international rules of law they're not afraid they're killing people
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they'll hunt them down and commit terrible crimes if we don't get these people out immediately
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obviously it's the U.S. that's driving the withdrawal and the U.S. withdrawal that's triggered a lot of this
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but but I'm curious where you think Canada could have played a role if it could have in mitigating
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some of the damage up until now you mean with respect to getting these people out yes yeah well so as soon
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as the U.S. had indicated that withdrawal was coming months ago I can't remember whether it was February
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March or when they had indicated under President Biden that they were going to do this that's when
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the government should have clued in right up right off the get-go because we have phenomenal planners
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I've worked in our Canadian Joint Operations Command in the planning team there they they could have spun
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this up in no time flat and started putting these programs in place to help getting these people out
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because you know it just you should have we were tied to that September 11th deadline so they should
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have been able to hey here's the drop dead date what's their background what are those triggers
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in a planning process that go oh geez Taliban have now seized this all right well this speeds up the
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timeline so the planning could have all been easily done if the will was there but ultimately Canadian
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Armed Forces follows the direction that they get from our elected officials we have it's up to the
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government to provide that direction and then the military will provide options I don't like
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politicizing something that should be a very unified issue and I believe that genuinely speaking
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liberal candidates conservative candidates NDP candidates all want what's best for Canadians and
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Afghans here but I do have to question a bit about the the amount of attention that's being given to
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this because we have Justin Trudeau on the campaign trail I know that the acting chief of the defense
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staff is also in Hawaii for a conference with other chiefs of the defense staff this week have you
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gotten the sense that this is being made a priority by some part of the government or some part of the
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armed forces I can't speak for the armed forces obviously I'm not in and I try especially right now
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and everything going on I don't want to put any other you know for my personal connections at risk for
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for anything that's politically tied but I mean it's no different than the statement that myself and
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Michael Chong put out the other day you know saying look the minister of national defense immigration
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foreign affairs they should all be you know stopping ceasing their campaigning right now and focused on
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getting making sure their efforts done on this you know and getting this out and I mean I think that is
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the only real political consideration is when this crisis became so evident you know in the last couple
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weeks it does question why the prime minister why Trudeau decided to call an election when I think
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personally he could have held off on that decision if he was still set on calling this this election
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that's fine and dandy but at least get this piece of it done first and foremost to make sure that
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guidance was going out there and that the focus by the ministers was on dealing with this
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international humanitarian crisis that to me is more important than any election Canadians aren't
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going to remember who won or lost an election necessarily or that you know that mp themselves
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or that candidate as much as they're going to remember whether they did the right thing or not
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in helping prevent this crisis and right now's you know these ministers have that ability to
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influence this and focus on this more than just getting re-elected Alex Ruff conservative candidate
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for Bruce Gray Owen Sound thanks very much for your time thank you Andrew that was Canadian Armed Forces
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Afghanistan veteran and conservative candidate in Bruce Gray Owen Sound Alex Ruff my thanks to Alex
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for coming on the show we will have lots of different candidates from different parties in the shows to
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come over the next few weeks so fear not we will hopefully get to some of those who have unique
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stories or unique angles on issues we obviously aren't able to cover every candidate from every
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party in each of the 338 ridings but we want candidates of interest ridings of interest and
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issues of interest where a candidate has some expertise to speak on it like in the case of Alex Ruff
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