Two years ago, the government invoked the Emergencies Act. To talk about this anniversary and its implications, we speak with the author of the People's Emergency Act Freedom Convoy 2022, Tom Marazzo. We also discuss a new report from CSIS on the Freedom Movement and its impact on counter-espionage efforts.
00:05:31.440I wanted to get your sense on this I don't know if you've read I haven't read the actual
00:05:37.080document as I mentioned but this report I saw from the Canadian press on the evolution
00:05:41.720of the freedom movement I mean this was kind of plain as day apparent to anyone who had been
00:05:45.600watching even I mean the summer of 2022 I remember you had all of these like little mini convoys
00:05:51.080popping up that were not even protests they were just summer festivals of people that had
00:05:55.360found camaraderie in folks they met during the freedom convoy online in Ottawa elsewhere in the
00:06:01.740country and I do think there was something you know accurate about that that it has created
00:06:06.260a movement that really didn't exist in Canada before January February of 2022 do you think that's
00:06:12.600a fair characterization of what's happened I think to go back the best way to answer that
00:06:20.260question is to go back to the briefing note that CSIS wrote to the the cabinet in the IRG
00:06:27.260prior to invoking the emergencies act CSIS disagreed with the idea of invoking the emergencies act
00:06:35.660for the simple reason is that they believed that it would set the conditions for an IMVE like atmosphere
00:06:46.120within you know the hearts and minds of Canadians and so the spy agency themselves that are cited in
00:06:53.120this article and I find it hysterical and typical of the mainstream media that they would cite Barbara
00:06:59.540Perry of all people as a source or an expert in this subject Barbara Perry of course is you know
00:07:06.440connected to the anti-hate network she makes a ridiculous amount of money teaching her theories1.00
00:07:13.140that can't be backed up by evidence and she's nothing more than a hate baiter and if you want to know1.00
00:07:17.620more talk to Cosman one of your own excellent writers yeah and just if I can give the context on
00:07:24.380there Tom so so Barbara Perry had said in a report however many years ago that there are 300 I forget
00:07:30.160if it was hate groups or far-right groups or far-right hate groups with some variation of that
00:07:33.920and and I was like oh wow that's terrible but she will not provide the list so for all I know
00:07:38.300uh you know the Andrew Lawton show is listed as you know one of the 300 because she won't give it and
00:07:42.440Cosman has been in a fight with the uh freedom of information commissioner in Ontario for however long
00:07:49.260now trying to get access to that list which she won't provide so I I had to provide that little
00:07:54.040uh footnote there I apologize for cutting you off no that's fine that's fine because it's good
00:07:58.160background good context and I think people should know um you know that the type of stuff that's
00:08:03.400happening in a Canadian university right now Barbara Perry is on the sunshine list she makes over 200
00:08:08.140000 a year uh for peddling in hate baiting uh she can't back up any of her claims with any evidence but
00:08:16.000yet this sort of group within the Canadian anti-hate network they go in constant circles and they just
00:08:22.360you know it's a self-licking ice cream cone with that particular group of people but yet the legacy
00:08:27.380media likes to reference them as somehow being a bunch of experts and they're not um so to go you
00:08:34.620know back to your original question you know ceases ceases said if you invoke the emergencies act
00:08:41.360given the the state of Canada right now the level of anxiety you are going to not provoke I don't want to
00:08:50.820use the the word provoke but you're going to disenfranchise Canadians even further I mean0.93
00:08:57.080remember millions of Canadians supported the Freedom Convoy going to Ottawa and they donated millions and
00:09:03.380millions of dollars and so when you've got that many Canadians supporting a movement which by the way
00:09:10.800is a manifestation of the tyrannical behavior that every level of government provoked in the Canadian
00:09:19.700population so as a reaction the convoy came into existence to go back to or to go to Ottawa to
00:09:27.300fight for their own freedoms now when you invoke the emergencies act they doubled down on the the very
00:09:33.860tyrannical behavior that the convoy went to Ottawa to fight against so of course ceases was correct in their
00:09:41.620assumption that it was going to disenfranchise more Canadians but to say that it's producing an imve I think is1.00
00:09:48.980fundamentally flawed and a little bit ridiculous and it feeds into the the liberal media's narratives
00:09:56.020of course the media as you know better than I do supports the liberal government you got the anti-hate0.99
00:10:02.260network that is again a self-licking ice cream cone that just perpetuates the same garbage in a giant
00:10:08.340circle and ceases who works for the federal government they're just sort of contributing in a
00:10:16.980let's say an overt manner to this this narrative so yeah it's it's really frustrating to watch this uh
00:10:24.900read articles like that to be perfectly honest because what I haven't seen in an article yet
00:10:30.500to this day on two years of the anniversary of this invocation I haven't seen one article from mainstream media
00:10:37.300come out and say why did Canadians go to Ottawa in the first place let's get to the root of that question
00:10:45.300before everything else because I think what happened after was secondary to the reasons that the convoy even
00:10:50.740went there was there imve no it was Canadians who had a protected charter right to do what they did in
00:10:57.700Ottawa and that's why they use the mechanism with our own constitution to go and fight for their rights it
00:11:04.100wasn't imve it was abiding by the principles of this country in our our most fundamental document
00:11:11.380in terms of outlining our rights to push back against the government and that's what they did
00:11:15.940it's not yeah and just for people not familiar with that term that stands for ideologically motivated
00:11:20.820violent extremism and I reject that characterization but the part that I found interesting was just
00:11:26.740ceases stating the obvious that you know this wasn't this was not just about vaccine mandates and this
00:11:32.020was not just about covid restrictions and and the fact that it took them you know so long to to seemingly come up with
00:11:37.700that uh position I I found quite odd and and you know to to put this in the bigger and broader context here over the
00:11:45.460course of the last two years uh government has dug its heels in on the very things that it started doing
00:11:51.940throughout the covid era and really did during the the convoys time in Ottawa and I think there's been a lot more I mean the reason you see more
00:11:59.620resistance is because there's been a lot more stuff that needs to be resisted yes absolutely and you
00:12:06.580know I read that article and I looked at the little laundry list of of things that they were really
00:12:11.460referring to as conspiracy theories I'm sorry but they're not conspiracies I mean you've got presidential
00:12:18.980campaigns in the United States right now talking about a lot of these issues okay they're real things
00:12:25.860Canadians now more than ever probably in our nation's history are more politically aware and more um aware
00:12:34.500of the actions of NGOs like the WEF the World Health Organization even the UN uh to some extent you
00:12:42.260know the actions of the the um uh I think it's the United Nations assembly like they are deliberately doing0.61
00:12:50.900things and Canadians are just paying attention so how is that some sort of ridiculous right-wing
00:12:56.820extremism that's what you call an engaged citizenship or citizenry that's what that's about and it's not
00:13:04.100IMVE or any other thing Canadians one of them on that list by the way actions of the government
00:13:10.580opposition to communism they list as being a problem like that I found this hilarious the line is well this
00:13:17.140perceived tyranny is widespread across the movement other narratives are becoming increasingly common
00:13:22.020among adherents uh the brief says citing opposition to uh drag queen story times perceived
00:13:27.940increase in control by institutions like the UN and the World Economic Forum and communism so if you
00:13:34.260believe that communism is a bad thing you may be an ideologically motivated violent extremist
00:13:39.540it is absolutely bizarre to see them actually put this into print isn't it like we we brag about being
00:13:45.620this socialist country and I think for a lot of Canadians that that had always a different
00:13:50.180meaning it it's it's sort of a hidden meaning but the very you know essence of socialism is is really
00:13:57.300the first step before communism and so Canadians are waking up to a very different definition of socialism
00:14:04.820that they thought they lived under and realizing no you know we are sliding more and more into an
00:14:11.620authoritarian type of state and again to to use you as a reference personally look at what they're doing
00:14:17.860with the CRTC look at the steps that they're saying for our own good is to fight misinformation and
00:14:24.420disinformation therefore we're going to regulate the internet the news that you can see independent
00:14:30.340journalists like yourself okay that is you know that's more tyrannical that's communism that is the
00:14:37.860control of information to your citizens under the guise of doing it for our own safety as if though
00:14:44.180we're not smart enough or educated enough or even sophisticated enough to determine or make decisions
00:14:50.340for ourselves based on the news or the information that we receive we can't make our own decision
00:14:56.260apparently without the help of the communist liberal government of Canada very well said tom marazo author
00:15:03.060of the people's emergency act always a pleasure sir thanks for coming on thanks andrew thanks for
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