Juno News - February 19, 2024


Convoy organizer reflects on two-year anniversary of Emergencies Act


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Two years ago, the government invoked the Emergencies Act. To talk about this anniversary and its implications, we speak with the author of the People's Emergency Act Freedom Convoy 2022, Tom Marazzo. We also discuss a new report from CSIS on the Freedom Movement and its impact on counter-espionage efforts.

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00:00:00.000 I mentioned at the outset of this program it is Valentine's Day and nothing puts me in the mood
00:00:14.240 more than talking about constitutional law. This is the two-year anniversary of the invocation of
00:00:20.800 the Emergencies Act. Now normally this would be a bit more of a sour note but I should also point
00:00:26.660 out that it's only a few weeks back that this act and all of the things it was used to achieve were
00:00:31.860 found unconstitutional by federal court. To talk about this anniversary and its implications Tom
00:00:37.800 Marazzo is back. He is the author of the People's Emergency Act Freedom Convoy 2022. Tom always good
00:00:45.000 to talk to you. I don't know if happy anniversary is appropriate here but what is your sort of top
00:00:50.380 line reflection with all that's happened over the last two years?
00:00:56.660 Oh you're either feeling very quiet or there's an audio issue so we will try to get that sorted out
00:01:04.180 in a moment. That is yeah I don't think Tom Marazzo can hear me there so we'll get that sorted out but
00:01:09.680 the other thing that is related to this and I am going to get Tom to weigh in on this is that
00:01:13.700 CSIS has released a report through Access Information. Now this was a request from the Canadian
00:01:19.920 press. Now this is where when I read this and I haven't read the original briefing document I only
00:01:25.180 read the report on it the Canadian press published. It was a report on from CSIS on the freedom movement
00:01:32.020 and their perception and contextualization of it and it kind of made me wonder if the intelligence
00:01:37.780 community is really doing all that much of use because this is what our top secret spy agency has
00:01:44.060 determined. The freedom movement began to emerge as a protest against COVID restrictions
00:01:50.520 and now has generally morphed into a protest against government overreach. Wow good for you guys you
00:01:58.840 figured that one out. I don't want to you know rag on you know people that are doing a very difficult
00:02:03.480 job and doing it for not a lot of money and no prestige or glory but it was kind of a weird and like
00:02:10.100 well duh moment when they've identified what anyone who's been following the evolution of this movement
00:02:14.980 could have identified in the last two years which was that you know COVID restrictions were a symptom
00:02:20.960 and not the cause of government issues and I think that's probably the point that I would frame this
00:02:27.840 around is that COVID restrictions and vaccine mandates vaccine passports all of that were government
00:02:34.780 revealing its authoritarian impulse. The impulse was there. Government showed us the level of control
00:02:40.360 they want to wield the level of power they want to wield but they hadn't really been given a pretext
00:02:44.720 to wield it all before a pandemic came along and that was what happened there. I think we have
00:02:49.400 Tom Morazzo for real this time. Tom are we functioning? Are we good?
00:02:56.340 No we're not. I can't hear you now.
00:03:00.720 There we go. I heard that. Whatever you just did there. Let's see.
00:03:04.100 All right. The joys of live media. Well as I mentioned Tom two-year anniversary of the
00:03:09.180 emergencies act. What's your perspective on that now looking back?
00:03:13.700 Uh well let's I hope you can hear me now.
00:03:16.980 I can.
00:03:17.900 Yeah okay sorry. Um yeah it's a it's a much different atmosphere this time around because
00:03:22.900 of the decision that came out from Justice Mosley a few weeks ago which declared that the
00:03:28.220 emergency act use or invocation was illegal um and outside of the scope of the the law.
00:03:35.800 So that has a different feeling two years after the fact than it did even a year ago when we had
00:03:42.860 Justice Rouleau who basically sided reluctantly I don't I don't know how you want to phrase it but
00:03:50.660 sort of sided with Justin Trudeau but sort of didn't he gave himself a lot of wiggle room to get
00:03:55.780 out of it but yeah so I think the the the spring in everyone's step this year is because of the fact
00:04:02.600 that Mosley's decision just came out a few weeks ago.
00:04:06.900 Yeah and it does change the discussion a little bit.
00:04:10.040 Sorry Andrew I just keep losing audio okay.
00:04:12.160 Okay yeah well I just wasn't talking that might have been it I hadn't started yet but
00:04:15.160 I'm good I'm good.
00:04:16.240 I think it raises the an important point here because you know there was a lot of skepticism
00:04:21.380 I think from from legal scholars even people that weren't fans of the convoy when the emergencies
00:04:26.240 act came out that okay I don't like these guys with the trucks but I really don't like this
00:04:29.980 and now that the government has doubled down in the wake of that ruling I think it's reinvigorated
00:04:36.600 that has it not in the sense that the government even with this judicial ruling is still saying
00:04:40.740 no absolutely this was the right call we should have done this so there's been no contrition
00:04:44.980 from anyone in those ranks.
00:04:46.940 No and I've said this before too they're they're going into an election cycle so what choice do
00:04:52.860 they have other than they have to fight this in in this isn't really for them about the law or
00:04:59.860 abiding by the law or accepting the decision this is a political decision on the part of the liberals
00:05:04.400 to launch the appeal.
00:05:07.760 In actuality the proper moral ethical thing to do would be to say yes we we violated the law and
00:05:15.240 we're going to accept the court's decision but they can't do that going into an election
00:05:19.000 because they know that everybody's going to make them wear this around their neck like
00:05:23.620 a thousand pound yoke so they don't really have a choice they have to fight this from
00:05:29.100 a political perspective only.
00:05:31.440 I wanted to get your sense on this I don't know if you've read I haven't read the actual
00:05:37.080 document as I mentioned but this report I saw from the Canadian press on the evolution
00:05:41.720 of the freedom movement I mean this was kind of plain as day apparent to anyone who had been
00:05:45.600 watching even I mean the summer of 2022 I remember you had all of these like little mini convoys
00:05:51.080 popping up that were not even protests they were just summer festivals of people that had
00:05:55.360 found camaraderie in folks they met during the freedom convoy online in Ottawa elsewhere in the
00:06:01.740 country and I do think there was something you know accurate about that that it has created
00:06:06.260 a movement that really didn't exist in Canada before January February of 2022 do you think that's
00:06:12.600 a fair characterization of what's happened I think to go back the best way to answer that
00:06:20.260 question is to go back to the briefing note that CSIS wrote to the the cabinet in the IRG
00:06:27.260 prior to invoking the emergencies act CSIS disagreed with the idea of invoking the emergencies act
00:06:35.660 for the simple reason is that they believed that it would set the conditions for an IMVE like atmosphere
00:06:46.120 within you know the hearts and minds of Canadians and so the spy agency themselves that are cited in
00:06:53.120 this article and I find it hysterical and typical of the mainstream media that they would cite Barbara
00:06:59.540 Perry of all people as a source or an expert in this subject Barbara Perry of course is you know
00:07:06.440 connected to the anti-hate network she makes a ridiculous amount of money teaching her theories 1.00
00:07:13.140 that can't be backed up by evidence and she's nothing more than a hate baiter and if you want to know 1.00
00:07:17.620 more talk to Cosman one of your own excellent writers yeah and just if I can give the context on
00:07:24.380 there Tom so so Barbara Perry had said in a report however many years ago that there are 300 I forget
00:07:30.160 if it was hate groups or far-right groups or far-right hate groups with some variation of that
00:07:33.920 and and I was like oh wow that's terrible but she will not provide the list so for all I know
00:07:38.300 uh you know the Andrew Lawton show is listed as you know one of the 300 because she won't give it and
00:07:42.440 Cosman has been in a fight with the uh freedom of information commissioner in Ontario for however long
00:07:49.260 now trying to get access to that list which she won't provide so I I had to provide that little
00:07:54.040 uh footnote there I apologize for cutting you off no that's fine that's fine because it's good
00:07:58.160 background good context and I think people should know um you know that the type of stuff that's
00:08:03.400 happening in a Canadian university right now Barbara Perry is on the sunshine list she makes over 200
00:08:08.140 000 a year uh for peddling in hate baiting uh she can't back up any of her claims with any evidence but
00:08:16.000 yet this sort of group within the Canadian anti-hate network they go in constant circles and they just
00:08:22.360 you know it's a self-licking ice cream cone with that particular group of people but yet the legacy
00:08:27.380 media likes to reference them as somehow being a bunch of experts and they're not um so to go you
00:08:34.620 know back to your original question you know ceases ceases said if you invoke the emergencies act
00:08:41.360 given the the state of Canada right now the level of anxiety you are going to not provoke I don't want to
00:08:50.820 use the the word provoke but you're going to disenfranchise Canadians even further I mean 0.93
00:08:57.080 remember millions of Canadians supported the Freedom Convoy going to Ottawa and they donated millions and
00:09:03.380 millions of dollars and so when you've got that many Canadians supporting a movement which by the way
00:09:10.800 is a manifestation of the tyrannical behavior that every level of government provoked in the Canadian
00:09:19.700 population so as a reaction the convoy came into existence to go back to or to go to Ottawa to
00:09:27.300 fight for their own freedoms now when you invoke the emergencies act they doubled down on the the very
00:09:33.860 tyrannical behavior that the convoy went to Ottawa to fight against so of course ceases was correct in their
00:09:41.620 assumption that it was going to disenfranchise more Canadians but to say that it's producing an imve I think is 1.00
00:09:48.980 fundamentally flawed and a little bit ridiculous and it feeds into the the liberal media's narratives
00:09:56.020 of course the media as you know better than I do supports the liberal government you got the anti-hate 0.99
00:10:02.260 network that is again a self-licking ice cream cone that just perpetuates the same garbage in a giant
00:10:08.340 circle and ceases who works for the federal government they're just sort of contributing in a
00:10:16.980 let's say an overt manner to this this narrative so yeah it's it's really frustrating to watch this uh
00:10:24.900 read articles like that to be perfectly honest because what I haven't seen in an article yet
00:10:30.500 to this day on two years of the anniversary of this invocation I haven't seen one article from mainstream media
00:10:37.300 come out and say why did Canadians go to Ottawa in the first place let's get to the root of that question
00:10:45.300 before everything else because I think what happened after was secondary to the reasons that the convoy even
00:10:50.740 went there was there imve no it was Canadians who had a protected charter right to do what they did in
00:10:57.700 Ottawa and that's why they use the mechanism with our own constitution to go and fight for their rights it
00:11:04.100 wasn't imve it was abiding by the principles of this country in our our most fundamental document
00:11:11.380 in terms of outlining our rights to push back against the government and that's what they did
00:11:15.940 it's not yeah and just for people not familiar with that term that stands for ideologically motivated
00:11:20.820 violent extremism and I reject that characterization but the part that I found interesting was just
00:11:26.740 ceases stating the obvious that you know this wasn't this was not just about vaccine mandates and this
00:11:32.020 was not just about covid restrictions and and the fact that it took them you know so long to to seemingly come up with
00:11:37.700 that uh position I I found quite odd and and you know to to put this in the bigger and broader context here over the
00:11:45.460 course of the last two years uh government has dug its heels in on the very things that it started doing
00:11:51.940 throughout the covid era and really did during the the convoys time in Ottawa and I think there's been a lot more I mean the reason you see more
00:11:59.620 resistance is because there's been a lot more stuff that needs to be resisted yes absolutely and you
00:12:06.580 know I read that article and I looked at the little laundry list of of things that they were really
00:12:11.460 referring to as conspiracy theories I'm sorry but they're not conspiracies I mean you've got presidential
00:12:18.980 campaigns in the United States right now talking about a lot of these issues okay they're real things
00:12:25.860 Canadians now more than ever probably in our nation's history are more politically aware and more um aware
00:12:34.500 of the actions of NGOs like the WEF the World Health Organization even the UN uh to some extent you
00:12:42.260 know the actions of the the um uh I think it's the United Nations assembly like they are deliberately doing 0.61
00:12:50.900 things and Canadians are just paying attention so how is that some sort of ridiculous right-wing
00:12:56.820 extremism that's what you call an engaged citizenship or citizenry that's what that's about and it's not
00:13:04.100 IMVE or any other thing Canadians one of them on that list by the way actions of the government
00:13:10.580 opposition to communism they list as being a problem like that I found this hilarious the line is well this
00:13:17.140 perceived tyranny is widespread across the movement other narratives are becoming increasingly common
00:13:22.020 among adherents uh the brief says citing opposition to uh drag queen story times perceived
00:13:27.940 increase in control by institutions like the UN and the World Economic Forum and communism so if you
00:13:34.260 believe that communism is a bad thing you may be an ideologically motivated violent extremist
00:13:39.540 it is absolutely bizarre to see them actually put this into print isn't it like we we brag about being
00:13:45.620 this socialist country and I think for a lot of Canadians that that had always a different
00:13:50.180 meaning it it's it's sort of a hidden meaning but the very you know essence of socialism is is really
00:13:57.300 the first step before communism and so Canadians are waking up to a very different definition of socialism
00:14:04.820 that they thought they lived under and realizing no you know we are sliding more and more into an
00:14:11.620 authoritarian type of state and again to to use you as a reference personally look at what they're doing
00:14:17.860 with the CRTC look at the steps that they're saying for our own good is to fight misinformation and
00:14:24.420 disinformation therefore we're going to regulate the internet the news that you can see independent
00:14:30.340 journalists like yourself okay that is you know that's more tyrannical that's communism that is the
00:14:37.860 control of information to your citizens under the guise of doing it for our own safety as if though
00:14:44.180 we're not smart enough or educated enough or even sophisticated enough to determine or make decisions
00:14:50.340 for ourselves based on the news or the information that we receive we can't make our own decision
00:14:56.260 apparently without the help of the communist liberal government of Canada very well said tom marazo author
00:15:03.060 of the people's emergency act always a pleasure sir thanks for coming on thanks andrew thanks for
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