Juno News - November 13, 2025


COP30 attendees FUME over Bill Gates' anti-climate alarmism blog post


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Bill Gates recently wrote an opinion piece arguing that the world should focus less on carbon emissions and more on human well-being. I asked a number of attendees whether or not they agreed or not, and why. Here's what they had to say.

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00:00:00.000 I'm Willy Tamta for Trenort here in Belém para Brasil for COP30 where I took some time today to ask guest attendees their opinion on Bill Gates' recent opinion piece.
00:00:08.820 Now, Bill Gates took an opinion piece recently where he argued the premise that the world ought to turn off the alarmism for climate change and shift focus onto human well-being.
00:00:19.520 Now, I asked a number of attendees whether or not they agreed or not and why. Here's more on that.
00:00:25.820 So, what's your reaction to Bill Gates' op-ed where he argues that the world should focus less on carbon emissions and more on human welfare?
00:00:33.020 Well, it depends for which country we're talking about. There are some still countries that are developing, so maybe they still need carbon emissions to achieve their goals and to start focusing on economic sector.
00:00:54.020 And for the countries that already achieved their carbon emissions peak, maybe I can agree with him. Yeah. Yeah. But it depends on which country we're talking about.
00:01:08.700 I agreed with the premise that Bill Gates highlighted that while climate isn't the only challenge that faces the world, it's extremely important.
00:01:18.480 Thinking about livelihoods, all our comeback to being connected to both the land, the environment, the livelihoods that people are living in.
00:01:26.700 And so, simply highlighting that we don't need climate to be the catch-all for all of international development, I think was positive and wasn't meant to try to obfuscate the importance of climate change.
00:01:40.200 There was not enough founded basis for the alarmism that the world was going to end.
00:01:44.200 I think we exist of a world of species that are all looking for equilibrium.
00:01:49.280 And I think to focus on how can we adapt and thrive with the climate, instead of trying to stay in that equilibrium with alarmism, I think is the right approach.
00:02:00.640 So, looking at food security, water security, and how can we use that to our advantage, I think that's the right approach, and it allows for more pragmatic solutions.
00:02:11.980 I don't think really this is a black and white issue.
00:02:15.240 So, of course, you need to care about both.
00:02:18.140 And I think if you don't fix the climate issue, then, of course, you will have human welfare going down as well.
00:02:25.640 So, both of them are very important.
00:02:30.180 I think it's totally interlinked, so you cannot do one without the other.
00:02:34.560 So, if you want to focus on human welfare, you have to tackle climate change, and the other way around.
00:02:40.680 You cannot just tackle climate change without taking care of human welfare.
00:02:44.640 So, you cannot separate it.
00:02:47.640 So, if he does both, great.
00:02:49.200 I would not agree that it's opposing goals, but I would agree that human welfare is key.
00:02:55.720 We need to make it work for the people.
00:02:57.280 We need to make it work for the people on the ground.
00:03:00.640 And that is true, because otherwise, we don't have the maturity to bring climate change ahead.
00:03:05.840 So, it's not opposing goals.
00:03:09.280 I don't agree with him.
00:03:10.440 I think someone like Bill Gates has become very wealthy off a system called capitalism,
00:03:14.620 and it is the same system that is driving this crisis, and there is no ability for us to be well in this place.
00:03:20.740 We've seen, you know, just in the last five years, global pandemic, we're not protected from, you know,
00:03:25.720 what's happening around us in our natural environment.
00:03:27.640 We need to, as Indigenous peoples, we advocate for it, for looking after land, looking after our people, looking after our country.
00:03:33.600 We need to live more sustainably with this land, and human well-being is not separate from that.
00:03:38.200 We are not separate from plants.
00:03:39.280 We are not separate from animals.
00:03:40.860 And so, the work that we have to do to combat the climate crisis is urgent.
00:03:43.440 This is the critical decade.
00:03:45.140 We are halfway through.
00:03:46.360 We cannot slow down now.
00:03:47.720 In Indigenous culture, in our cultures, the climate health and human health are intrinsically interrelated.
00:03:54.120 If the climate is unwell, our humans are unwell.
00:03:56.780 We cannot help one thing without the other, because they're so interrelated.
00:04:00.500 I was very disappointed with his statements, because he made a book about climate change a number of years ago,
00:04:07.260 really putting the issue on the top.
00:04:09.140 And we have to focus on human development, of course.
00:04:11.380 But human development is only possible if we are able to fix the climate.
00:04:14.760 If we don't fix the climate, our human development will not even be possible.
00:04:18.540 So, I think his opinion in this case is wrong.
00:04:23.480 Somehow, I don't disagree a bit, because we talk about carbon emissions.
00:04:27.900 Eventually, in the future, it will affect us as people as well.
00:04:30.440 So, we should focus on both, human health and also the carbon emissions, because if we stop focusing on the carbon emissions,
00:04:39.560 eventually, for us as young people in the future, will be the main casualties of this decisiveness at the moment.
00:04:45.940 So, I would say, please fund both.
00:04:47.480 I agree, we need to take care of poverty very much, but we don't need to choose between the two.
00:04:54.220 We need to bring in parallel the two missions, which are very important and urgent, on the same level and in parallel.
00:05:01.640 So, we don't need to make a priority between the two.
00:05:06.020 We, as Green the Islands, dealing with island sustainability, we deal, indeed, about sustainability.
00:05:12.220 We deal about bringing energy to families that they don't have energy or, anyway, the bestie or water, just to make an example.
00:05:22.420 So, but the two match very well together.
00:05:26.640 I disagree.
00:05:27.800 I would say that we need to focus on nature as much as humans in general.
00:05:32.120 So, I don't think the two are mutually exclusive.
00:05:34.860 We're here to talk about the climate change, right, which is produced by humans.
00:05:38.620 And as much as humans are affected by climate change, we also need to focus on the planet itself
00:05:43.460 and how we can fight for the destruction of the planet and climate change in general.
00:05:48.280 So, I don't think protecting human rights is a priority, obviously, but I don't think it should be instead of focusing on nature.
00:05:56.800 Well, as you can see, there's quite a bit of nuance there, surprisingly so,
00:06:00.260 but for the most part, still, most attendees are firm on their climate religion.
00:06:05.160 And, of course, some of them were even upset at Bill Gates personally.
00:06:09.440 But, of course, that's what you come to expect from COP30,
00:06:12.460 a shrinking environment of climate crazies with less and less support from the world as time goes on.
00:06:19.700 I'm Willie TamTem for TrueNorth here in Belém para Brazil, signing off.