Juno News - April 27, 2020


Criminalizing Churchgoers and Legislating Gun Owners


Episode Stats

Length

37 minutes

Words per Minute

191.14688

Word Count

7,125

Sentence Count

171

Misogynist Sentences

12

Hate Speech Sentences

12


Summary


Transcript

00:00:00.000 Welcome to Canada's most irreverent talk show. This is the Andrew Lawton Show brought to you by True North.
00:00:14.980 The Andrew Lawton Show starts right now.
00:00:21.720 Welcome back to another week of the Andrew Lawton Show here on True North, Canada's most irreverent talk show.
00:00:27.980 It's my great pleasure to have you with us on this April 27th, 2020 edition of the program.
00:00:34.160 I'm not keeping track of how long we've been in this perpetual state of flux because I think it only gets too depressing.
00:00:40.360 But I do hope you are managing your way through it, keeping healthy, keeping sane.
00:00:44.620 Not necessarily in that order, though perhaps, you never know.
00:00:47.920 In any case, thanks very much.
00:00:49.340 We are going to talk today about a little bit of the Nova Scotia details that changed after the last episode finished recording,
00:00:57.720 which always happens.
00:00:58.840 You commit to just one detail and then just as you're hitting upload to post it, you know, something comes out and changes.
00:01:04.420 We'll talk about that.
00:01:05.600 Thankfully, what was announced was actually something that I had predicted.
00:01:09.480 So I can claim somewhat of an exoneration on any issues there, but we'll talk about that later on.
00:01:15.000 So I want to start first by delving into some more of these public safety, public order divergences here,
00:01:23.820 where the public order measures that law enforcement officials are using,
00:01:28.120 I don't think are actually really doing anything for public health.
00:01:32.280 And one of them actually comes to a town near me, Elmer, Ontario, where, like many other people, I'm going to church online now.
00:01:40.160 So my church has switched to online services.
00:01:42.620 A lot of people are doing this in multiple religious gatherings and religious denominations.
00:01:48.060 I know Muslims are doing their prayers via Zoom, a lot of the cases now for Ramadan.
00:01:52.880 And if you are a Muslim, happy Ramadan to you.
00:01:55.560 But the one thing I will point out is that there is a church in Elmer, Ontario that decided to do something that I think I might have even mentioned as a joke.
00:02:04.360 I can't remember if I said it on the show or if I said it to someone else.
00:02:06.860 If I said it on the show, let me know, because I want to, like, claim credit for them doing this.
00:02:12.120 But I said, I wonder if someone could just do, like, a drive-in, where we could just reopen drive-in movie theaters
00:02:17.720 and any other social events you can just do as the old drive-in mentality,
00:02:21.480 where you drive in, you tune your car to a particular radio station that has a really short range, and you do it.
00:02:27.260 I thought that would be a way to kind of get around the whole you can't be in the same room as five people thing.
00:02:32.560 And there's a church in Elmer that's been doing drive-in services where everyone gets into the car,
00:02:39.040 they keep the car windows up, they turn to whatever the radio station is,
00:02:42.500 and the preacher stands outside the church and does his sermon, and everyone gets to hear it on the radio.
00:02:49.180 And I think this is actually a great way of doing things because you are completely socially distanced,
00:02:55.320 you're not near anyone else, you're not touching anyone, you're not speaking moistly on them,
00:02:59.300 and then what happens is people are able to read their Bibles, they get that feeling of community,
00:03:05.120 and in this case, police didn't like it.
00:03:07.540 Police decided to have a complete surveillance operation running at this church service in Elmer,
00:03:14.100 the Church of God, which is near St. Thomas, Ontario, which is near London, Ontario, which is near Toronto.
00:03:19.540 The further away you get, the less likely you are to know where it is.
00:03:23.320 So if you have no idea, it's on a map in southwestern Ontario.
00:03:26.000 In any case, this story, courtesy of the London Free Press,
00:03:30.300 police videotaped a drive-in church service but issued no ticket Sunday
00:03:34.420 as a battle over the meaning of a province-wide emergency order reached new levels.
00:03:40.100 You look further on down, and there is literally a police officer surveilling the church service,
00:03:46.260 and ultimately the sermon was about the importance of keeping churches up and running.
00:03:50.880 And this is one of these things where if you're able to do your sermon online,
00:03:56.020 and you're able to do all that online, fine.
00:03:58.380 I think that is adequate for the time being.
00:04:01.360 But if you want to do something like this, even if it is in spite of legislation,
00:04:05.840 you have to ask who is really being harmed here.
00:04:08.680 Now, I know that police were not actually ticketing anyone,
00:04:12.120 and I don't know if they're going to issue formal warnings.
00:04:14.300 I mean, the videotaping, I think, is a bit menacing,
00:04:16.560 because now they have all the license plates of the people that went there.
00:04:19.940 And if they decide they want to take things seriously moving forward,
00:04:22.840 they can go literally door-to-door and start canvassing all these people
00:04:26.740 whose only crime, and I put that in the loosest terminology possible,
00:04:32.380 was going to church and not leaving their car on Sunday.
00:04:36.020 I mean, just consider it no different than you stopped in a parking lot
00:04:40.100 to take a phone call on your way to the grocery store,
00:04:43.300 which is allowed under this whole thing.
00:04:45.240 So right now, it is still not illegal, in Ontario anyway,
00:04:49.100 for you to drive out on the road.
00:04:50.760 It's not illegal for you to go and do the things that you want to do in your day.
00:04:54.920 Now, a gathering is, I don't know how they define gathering.
00:04:58.120 I would say if you're in a parking lot in your cars, you could go either way,
00:05:01.640 because on one hand, if it was promoted and scheduled
00:05:03.880 and everyone was there for a similar event, fine.
00:05:07.520 But no one is actually being harmed by this.
00:05:10.140 And when you have law enforcement resources
00:05:12.300 that are now going towards monitoring people
00:05:15.300 who are just going to church in their cars on a Sunday,
00:05:18.940 you have to wonder who on earth is being helped by this.
00:05:23.260 And there's a website that I came across on the weekend
00:05:25.940 that I thought was actually very interesting.
00:05:28.040 It's called policingthepandemic.github.io.
00:05:32.080 And it actually has a rolling chart.
00:05:34.980 It's kind of a database of various cases where people have been charged
00:05:38.980 with violating these emergency provisions.
00:05:41.240 And they're sourcing it from news outlets,
00:05:43.100 so it's not an exhaustive list nationwide of people who have been charged.
00:05:47.160 But it is a list of all the news stories about it.
00:05:50.760 And in some cases, there are no details.
00:05:52.520 For example, line 122 on this is someone in Edmonton,
00:05:56.080 a man who was handing out religious pamphlets.
00:05:59.400 So another one where religion is apparently no longer allowed
00:06:02.500 in the age of coronavirus.
00:06:04.840 And this particular man was fined $1,200
00:06:07.860 for using a long stick with a claw,
00:06:12.420 which is actually very biblical if you think about it,
00:06:14.780 a long stick with a claw.
00:06:16.000 I think that was one of the plagues or something.
00:06:17.780 But he was not complying with the physical distancing guidelines
00:06:20.820 by handing out all of this written material.
00:06:24.740 And the thing that I find fascinating about this
00:06:27.920 is that he apparently was not socially distanced,
00:06:32.080 but the whole point is that you still have the right to be outside.
00:06:36.520 So his offense, if you will,
00:06:39.820 is violating the Public Health Act of Alberta
00:06:43.500 by not physical distancing.
00:06:45.680 Okay, like if he is handing out pamphlets
00:06:48.920 and people don't want to get the pamphlet,
00:06:51.260 they can just walk away.
00:06:52.860 They can just not go near him.
00:06:54.380 It doesn't sound from any of the reports that I've seen
00:06:57.200 that he was assaulting people,
00:06:59.140 berating people, assailing people.
00:07:01.080 And here's the thing.
00:07:02.400 So I get of mixed mind on things like this
00:07:05.440 because on one hand, I'm like,
00:07:06.760 why are you going out of your way to antagonize?
00:07:09.280 Despite the fact that I roll my eyes
00:07:11.160 at a lot of these bylaws and enforcement officers,
00:07:13.480 the whole point that I've said in the past,
00:07:15.640 and we'll say again,
00:07:16.640 is that we should all do our part as individual people,
00:07:21.560 not as citizens that are threatened by law enforcement,
00:07:24.700 which means, yeah, we should respect the spirit of public health.
00:07:28.980 We should respect the idea that we don't want to endanger other people.
00:07:31.720 So I don't like this idea of deliberately antagonizing people.
00:07:35.320 I don't like this idea of the protest that took place at Queen's Park on the weekend,
00:07:39.840 which, by the way, if you look at the pictures from this protest,
00:07:42.660 I find this hilarious.
00:07:43.720 So here are people, they may have, I think,
00:07:46.140 a kernel of good in what they're doing in,
00:07:49.080 sorry, in what they want to do,
00:07:50.340 which is say, yeah, we've got to stand up for civil liberties.
00:07:52.800 But you've got a lot of people there that are saying,
00:07:54.800 oh, the virus is a hoax.
00:07:55.920 We think this is all made up.
00:07:57.380 And we think this is all nonsense.
00:07:59.040 And you've got people that also,
00:08:00.720 if you look at the signs that are saying,
00:08:02.140 yeah, it's, I'm not saying no to the virus.
00:08:04.120 I'm just saying that civil liberties are important.
00:08:06.820 But the thing that I found funny about this
00:08:08.560 is that all of them were like keeping six feet apart from each other,
00:08:11.460 which kind of proves, I guess it proves either point.
00:08:14.140 But on one hand, it proves that,
00:08:15.640 okay, they clearly think there is an issue here
00:08:17.860 if they're not wanting to be all huddled together
00:08:19.680 with, you know, their arms around each other.
00:08:21.660 Because that's the real way you protest.
00:08:23.160 If you really want to tell the government you don't buy into this,
00:08:25.320 you should all just start, you know,
00:08:27.040 speaking moistly on each other, linking arms,
00:08:29.540 you know, doing a bit of a conga line or something
00:08:31.560 with your hands on everyone.
00:08:32.860 But they were all keeping apart,
00:08:34.500 which suggests that they do believe there is some truth
00:08:37.060 to what's going on right now,
00:08:38.580 being bad and being something that needs to be dealt with.
00:08:42.180 But when you look at this list,
00:08:43.540 this policing the pandemic list,
00:08:45.260 there are a lot of people where they have not done anything
00:08:48.900 that has endangered other people,
00:08:50.900 and they're getting fined.
00:08:52.040 You look at these churchgoers in Elmer, Ontario,
00:08:54.920 they've not put anyone in harm's way,
00:08:57.040 and now they are facing police harassment.
00:09:00.100 I don't even know what else to call it,
00:09:01.780 police harassment,
00:09:02.540 just because they decided to park in a parking lot
00:09:05.700 on a Sunday for half an hour
00:09:06.900 and listen to someone talk about the Bible
00:09:09.180 and talk about God,
00:09:10.100 which is kind of a church thing.
00:09:12.180 So, you know, you could say that people
00:09:14.260 are trying to find the loopholes and all of that,
00:09:17.380 but I go back to what has become a theme on the show,
00:09:19.900 and I know I sound like a broken record,
00:09:21.440 but if you're just tuning in
00:09:22.340 and you haven't heard previous episodes,
00:09:24.000 I'm going to say that the biggest problem
00:09:26.900 facing any jurisdiction right now,
00:09:29.900 but speaking in Canada,
00:09:30.880 all of the provincial jurisdictions
00:09:32.340 that have put these laws and rules and orders into effect
00:09:35.720 is that when the spirit of the law
00:09:37.620 and the letter of the law diverge,
00:09:40.040 you should always go with what makes sense,
00:09:42.980 with the pragmatic approach,
00:09:44.280 and there are a lot of these laws
00:09:45.700 that were just, you know,
00:09:46.780 slapdash, ham-fistedly put together,
00:09:49.420 written on the back of a napkin,
00:09:51.040 and they're going after people
00:09:52.900 like the kids who play basketball,
00:09:55.080 like the family that rollerblades,
00:09:56.960 like, and Rebel News has done a great job,
00:09:59.420 by the way,
00:09:59.840 Rebel News has started taking up some of these cases
00:10:02.020 and actually helping people fight them,
00:10:06.080 helping people fight these orders
00:10:07.520 that they think are unjust,
00:10:09.940 and some of the cases they've decided,
00:10:12.340 there was an email that went out yesterday,
00:10:14.500 a Calgary pastor who was feeding homeless people
00:10:17.100 on the street,
00:10:17.700 he got ticketed,
00:10:18.780 a Cornwall man whose private dinner
00:10:20.780 was interrupted by police banging on the door,
00:10:23.360 a corner store owner in Woodstock, Ontario,
00:10:25.640 that didn't put up a plexiglass cashier's barrier
00:10:28.680 within 60 minutes of being ordered to do it.
00:10:32.420 That case was ridiculous.
00:10:33.620 They told him to do it.
00:10:34.660 An hour later,
00:10:35.640 they ticketed him for not having done it.
00:10:37.300 I don't even know if you can get plexiglass in 60 minutes.
00:10:40.080 And then a senior citizen who was fined
00:10:41.980 for walking his dog by himself.
00:10:44.580 These are the cases,
00:10:45.600 and yeah,
00:10:45.880 they're obviously picking specific cases
00:10:47.800 that tell the story,
00:10:48.920 but these are no longer outliers.
00:10:51.700 That would be,
00:10:52.880 I'd say,
00:10:53.200 the most important point here.
00:10:54.280 These cases no longer look to be outliers.
00:10:57.180 They look to be the norm.
00:10:58.820 And when these things are happening
00:11:00.680 with greater and greater frequency,
00:11:02.800 nobody is taking the law seriously
00:11:05.020 because nobody trusts that the law
00:11:07.120 is actually about what the law is supposed to be about,
00:11:10.120 which is the idea of public order.
00:11:12.740 And by the way,
00:11:13.400 this isn't just a right-wing conspiracy.
00:11:15.300 This isn't just a bunch of,
00:11:16.960 you know,
00:11:17.220 rabble-rousing conservative people like me
00:11:19.340 that are saying,
00:11:20.640 oh,
00:11:20.800 well,
00:11:20.980 you know,
00:11:21.160 I don't buy into this
00:11:22.060 and,
00:11:22.300 you know,
00:11:22.400 my land and my freedom
00:11:23.680 and don't tread on me
00:11:25.000 and all that.
00:11:25.480 And by the way,
00:11:26.020 I've even got the proof of it,
00:11:28.180 the don't tread on me mug here.
00:11:30.080 But this isn't just,
00:11:31.460 I keep like my headphones in it,
00:11:32.880 so I'm not actually like drinking coffee out of it
00:11:34.720 like a total badass.
00:11:36.080 But the whole point is that people are not just fighting
00:11:39.780 for their freedoms
00:11:40.500 because they're just these,
00:11:42.020 you know,
00:11:42.260 anti-government freemen on the land types.
00:11:44.060 You've got people from all over the spectrum,
00:11:46.660 including,
00:11:47.160 by the way,
00:11:47.680 traditionally liberal groups
00:11:49.300 like the Canadian Civil Liberties Association
00:11:51.780 that are saying,
00:11:53.100 hey,
00:11:53.200 we don't suspend the rule of law
00:11:55.380 just because there's a pandemic.
00:11:57.420 Yes,
00:11:57.720 emergency orders give the government
00:11:59.300 a bit more of an ability to do things,
00:12:02.280 but at the same time,
00:12:03.360 we still have freedoms,
00:12:04.600 we still have a constitution.
00:12:06.440 And I wouldn't be surprised
00:12:07.860 if a vast majority of these tickets
00:12:10.520 were to get thrown out
00:12:12.660 the second people have a court to go to
00:12:15.080 to fight them.
00:12:16.080 I can't say for certain,
00:12:17.980 but one point that I would argue,
00:12:19.960 and Michael Bryant actually mentioned this
00:12:21.780 in one article,
00:12:22.980 is that $880 is a grocery bill
00:12:25.960 for a family of four for a month.
00:12:27.980 So when a family is getting ticketed
00:12:30.180 for going outside and rollerblading,
00:12:32.960 that ticket is money that they need
00:12:36.000 that the government is saying,
00:12:37.420 no, no, no,
00:12:37.740 it's more important to us.
00:12:39.220 And when the family has done nothing
00:12:41.040 but, hey,
00:12:41.940 we wanted to get outside,
00:12:44.400 who's to say they're wrong?
00:12:45.580 Why on earth would you target them?
00:12:48.240 And by the way,
00:12:48.980 I'm a bit spoiled
00:12:49.860 because I live in a suburban community.
00:12:51.620 I live in London
00:12:52.380 where land is accessible to people.
00:12:54.340 And if you live out west,
00:12:55.600 if you live in Alberta,
00:12:56.500 if you live in Saskatchewan,
00:12:58.100 you can just walk for days
00:12:59.620 and days and days
00:13:00.460 without bumping into someone else conceivably.
00:13:03.040 There are a lot of people in Toronto,
00:13:05.740 in Vancouver and Montreal
00:13:06.940 and looking outside of Canada,
00:13:08.520 people in New York
00:13:09.460 and all of these other places
00:13:11.260 that are really densely populated,
00:13:13.340 that their idea of quarantine
00:13:15.240 looks a lot different
00:13:16.680 than yours or mine does,
00:13:18.920 where they're cooped up
00:13:19.860 in a 300 square foot apartment
00:13:21.760 because that's what they can afford.
00:13:23.000 And the only way they can get away from that
00:13:25.640 is by going outside,
00:13:27.320 going to a park,
00:13:28.220 going to an empty parking lot.
00:13:30.540 So for all of these people,
00:13:32.360 especially in cities,
00:13:34.180 I have a lot of sympathy for them saying,
00:13:36.920 hey, you know what?
00:13:37.800 I'm going to go and rollerblade
00:13:38.920 and I'm going to use this empty parking lot.
00:13:40.760 And who gives a hoot if it's closed?
00:13:43.520 If it's closed and it's empty,
00:13:45.440 then that defeats the purpose
00:13:47.040 of going after people
00:13:48.800 for being at something
00:13:49.940 that's so packed and densely populated
00:13:51.800 like they're at some big giant party.
00:13:53.440 If it's empty,
00:13:54.380 that's the point of it.
00:13:55.600 You are socially distancing.
00:13:57.700 You are socially distancing.
00:13:59.300 So why do we keep going after people
00:14:02.340 who are respecting
00:14:03.840 the spirit of public health,
00:14:05.760 the spirit of the law,
00:14:07.940 and people who,
00:14:09.040 again,
00:14:09.320 I know I've said it before,
00:14:10.460 but I'll say it again,
00:14:11.360 are put in more in harm's way
00:14:13.480 by a police or bylaw officer
00:14:15.620 coming up to them
00:14:16.640 and breaking that bubble
00:14:18.060 than they are
00:14:19.040 by just being left alone,
00:14:20.620 which is what all of us
00:14:21.680 as free people
00:14:22.440 should be getting right now
00:14:23.920 if we're not causing harm
00:14:25.060 to anyone else.
00:14:26.080 When we come back,
00:14:26.860 more of The Andrew Lawton Show
00:14:28.120 here on True North.
00:14:28.880 You're tuned in
00:14:31.880 to The Andrew Lawton Show.
00:14:35.460 Let's take a look at things
00:14:36.460 that are happening globally
00:14:37.480 right now.
00:14:38.280 I have no inside knowledge.
00:14:40.060 The most in-depth look
00:14:41.460 I've ever had at North Korea
00:14:42.820 was that movie,
00:14:43.600 The Interview with James Franco
00:14:44.920 and Seth Rogen.
00:14:45.940 Very good movie, by the way.
00:14:47.000 I recall watching it
00:14:47.800 on Christmas Day
00:14:48.800 when that whole weird,
00:14:50.520 you know,
00:14:51.340 theater band thing
00:14:52.560 was happening
00:14:53.120 a couple of years back.
00:14:54.740 Kim Jong-un
00:14:55.440 may or may not be dead.
00:14:57.400 He may or may not
00:14:58.460 be in a vegetative state.
00:14:59.880 He may or may not
00:15:01.020 be holed away at a resort.
00:15:02.460 He may or may not
00:15:03.580 be in quarantine.
00:15:04.820 No one knows anything
00:15:06.680 about North Korea.
00:15:07.820 That's the whole point
00:15:08.660 of North Korea.
00:15:09.800 This is a place
00:15:11.020 where the birth,
00:15:12.620 the grandfather
00:15:13.640 of the country,
00:15:14.840 Kim Il-sung,
00:15:15.980 his birth was foretold
00:15:17.860 by the swallows,
00:15:19.360 which if you know
00:15:20.860 what that means,
00:15:21.740 I want to talk to you
00:15:22.800 because I'm having trouble
00:15:23.760 deciphering the fortune cookies.
00:15:25.260 But Kim Il-sung
00:15:26.300 was born on a mountaintop
00:15:27.600 and his birth
00:15:28.140 was foretold
00:15:28.820 by the swallows.
00:15:30.020 And that is like
00:15:30.740 the official government
00:15:31.700 line on it.
00:15:32.580 So you don't really trust
00:15:34.340 anything that comes out
00:15:35.420 of North Korea.
00:15:36.340 Even the media
00:15:37.360 in North Korea
00:15:38.260 that are foreign media
00:15:39.440 are under the thumb
00:15:40.800 of the North Korean regime.
00:15:42.700 So I'm not saying
00:15:43.680 he's not sick
00:15:44.600 or even dead,
00:15:45.840 but I'm saying
00:15:46.720 that you shouldn't
00:15:47.440 get too excited
00:15:48.280 if that's what
00:15:48.820 you're hoping for.
00:15:49.840 Although the reports
00:15:50.820 that come out
00:15:51.360 are actually kind of interesting.
00:15:52.800 This particular one
00:15:53.740 was funny.
00:15:54.920 From Business Today,
00:15:56.200 Kim Jong-un's doctor
00:15:57.220 botched heart surgery
00:15:58.480 as his hands were shaking,
00:16:00.100 claims a report.
00:16:01.380 Now this is from
00:16:02.180 the Daily Mirror,
00:16:03.280 a report that
00:16:04.500 Kim Jong-un,
00:16:05.660 who hadn't been seen
00:16:07.000 in nearly two weeks,
00:16:08.820 which is a bit of a rarity,
00:16:10.580 was absent
00:16:11.360 from a big national holiday.
00:16:13.040 So that's why
00:16:13.540 everyone was thinking
00:16:14.200 that he's in ill health.
00:16:15.640 We had earlier
00:16:16.620 three anonymous sources
00:16:17.820 tell Reuters
00:16:18.680 that a team
00:16:19.580 had been dispatched
00:16:20.400 from China
00:16:20.980 to help
00:16:22.340 recover him
00:16:23.580 or repair him
00:16:24.400 from some botched
00:16:25.200 heart surgery.
00:16:26.260 But now
00:16:26.820 a Japanese magazine
00:16:27.940 has said
00:16:28.580 that the doctor's
00:16:30.320 hands were shaking
00:16:31.600 and that is why
00:16:33.120 the heart surgery
00:16:34.000 went the wrong way.
00:16:34.900 Now I imagine
00:16:35.480 if you are the heart surgeon
00:16:36.700 of Kim Jong-un
00:16:37.620 and you probably have
00:16:39.060 like 18 people
00:16:40.320 with guns behind you
00:16:41.320 as you do the surgery,
00:16:42.140 your hands might shake
00:16:42.960 a little bit.
00:16:43.520 But the problem is
00:16:44.760 because of that,
00:16:45.540 you're more likely
00:16:46.200 to get shot.
00:16:46.760 So I haven't yet
00:16:47.640 heard confirmation
00:16:48.440 on if the doctor
00:16:49.280 in this supposed scenario
00:16:51.100 survived or not.
00:16:52.820 I'd say probably not
00:16:53.860 from what we have
00:16:54.500 available to us.
00:16:56.320 This one though,
00:16:56.980 we can all relate
00:16:57.880 to North Korea.
00:16:59.160 Panic buying
00:16:59.920 grips North Korea
00:17:00.880 amid rumors
00:17:01.620 of Kim Jong-un's demise.
00:17:03.880 So according
00:17:04.420 to the Washington Post,
00:17:05.480 store shelves
00:17:06.040 in Pyongyang
00:17:06.700 have been cleared
00:17:07.320 out of everything
00:17:08.200 from liquor
00:17:09.220 to laundry detergent
00:17:10.540 to canned fish
00:17:11.600 to cigarettes.
00:17:12.600 Actually,
00:17:12.780 I think my grocery store
00:17:13.620 still had some canned fish
00:17:14.720 in stock.
00:17:15.840 Helicopters have been
00:17:16.560 flying low
00:17:17.180 over the capital.
00:17:18.280 Trains in North Korea
00:17:19.220 and Northern China
00:17:19.920 have been disrupted
00:17:20.660 and everyone,
00:17:21.980 because they are panicked
00:17:22.900 about what's happening
00:17:23.700 with Kim Jong-un,
00:17:25.000 is worrying
00:17:26.040 that they won't be able
00:17:27.080 to access
00:17:27.580 all of the things
00:17:28.520 they need
00:17:28.820 at the grocery store.
00:17:29.960 No word yet
00:17:30.760 on North Korea's
00:17:31.780 toilet paper stash
00:17:32.920 because that,
00:17:33.500 of course,
00:17:33.820 we learned in North America
00:17:35.400 was the first thing to go
00:17:36.860 when people started
00:17:37.620 panic buying.
00:17:38.960 But North Korea
00:17:39.960 is still just like us
00:17:41.980 except, you know,
00:17:42.620 without the freedom.
00:17:43.320 Although,
00:17:43.640 I don't know,
00:17:45.420 given the first segment
00:17:46.180 of the show,
00:17:46.660 you never know.
00:17:48.740 This one is funny.
00:17:49.880 So North Korea
00:17:50.420 has actually been
00:17:51.060 like the most successful
00:17:52.280 at dealing with coronavirus
00:17:54.700 because they had like
00:17:56.220 one case early on
00:17:57.460 and I think they just
00:17:58.100 shot the guy.
00:17:58.780 So the case went up
00:17:59.500 to one
00:17:59.940 and then back down
00:18:01.040 to zero.
00:18:01.560 And I think a few days later
00:18:02.540 it went to one
00:18:03.240 and then back down
00:18:03.920 to zero.
00:18:04.460 So not that I support
00:18:05.840 the North Korean approach,
00:18:06.840 but they've been
00:18:07.540 from the numbers alone
00:18:08.980 fairly effective
00:18:09.860 at dealing with it
00:18:12.280 because they are just
00:18:13.540 so barbaric
00:18:14.300 and brutal.
00:18:15.560 This story though
00:18:16.720 from The Guardian,
00:18:18.100 female leaders
00:18:19.180 more successful
00:18:20.560 at managing
00:18:21.300 the coronavirus crisis.
00:18:22.940 Now,
00:18:23.200 you can see
00:18:24.060 in the slug
00:18:25.040 the headline
00:18:25.700 of the article.
00:18:26.940 The initial title
00:18:27.900 was why do female leaders
00:18:29.580 seem to be more successful
00:18:31.080 at managing
00:18:31.700 the coronavirus crisis?
00:18:33.480 And then the headline
00:18:34.500 at some point
00:18:35.060 was changed
00:18:35.540 to are female leaders
00:18:36.920 more successful
00:18:37.720 at managing
00:18:38.900 the coronavirus crisis?
00:18:40.200 And then they go down
00:18:42.560 and they walk
00:18:43.500 through countries
00:18:44.140 that have had
00:18:44.640 apparently a good
00:18:45.560 response to this
00:18:46.420 such as New Zealand
00:18:47.680 whose prime minister
00:18:48.840 is Jacinda Ardern
00:18:50.180 to Germany
00:18:51.560 whose leader
00:18:52.160 of course
00:18:52.640 is Angela Merkel.
00:18:54.740 And what was interesting
00:18:55.680 though is that
00:18:56.180 they also go
00:18:57.440 to countries
00:18:58.660 where the leader
00:18:59.400 is not a woman
00:19:00.160 and find a woman
00:19:01.500 who was involved
00:19:02.340 in the public health
00:19:03.340 response
00:19:03.940 like in South Korea
00:19:04.920 which is why
00:19:06.020 I fear they would
00:19:06.840 probably do
00:19:07.980 a Canada thing
00:19:09.200 because if they would
00:19:10.460 and Canada's not
00:19:11.500 mentioned in the article
00:19:12.300 but if you take
00:19:12.960 this outlook
00:19:13.520 and Canada were
00:19:14.620 to do really well
00:19:15.320 they'd be like
00:19:15.700 oh yeah
00:19:16.000 I mean even though
00:19:16.520 Justin Trudeau
00:19:17.020 is the prime minister
00:19:17.600 their public health
00:19:18.320 officer is a woman
00:19:19.040 so Canada's
00:19:19.760 doing a great job
00:19:21.400 at managing things
00:19:22.920 and I find this
00:19:24.580 to be kind of hilarious
00:19:25.700 because identity politics
00:19:27.000 we thought was going
00:19:28.540 to kind of go away
00:19:29.760 in the midst
00:19:30.640 of a real crisis
00:19:31.540 we thought that people
00:19:32.400 were probably going
00:19:33.220 to focus more
00:19:33.900 on actual data
00:19:35.480 and actual science
00:19:36.640 but apparently
00:19:37.280 we've gone a little
00:19:38.280 bit too far on this
00:19:39.480 and now everyone's
00:19:40.640 missing the old
00:19:41.440 identity politics
00:19:42.680 everything's about
00:19:43.960 feminism
00:19:44.360 everything's about
00:19:45.020 racism
00:19:45.420 everything's about
00:19:46.140 equality
00:19:46.680 everything's about
00:19:47.320 diversity
00:19:47.880 and all of that
00:19:48.720 and now we have to
00:19:50.160 but I love the
00:19:51.560 sub-headline here
00:19:52.280 plenty of countries
00:19:53.040 with male leaders
00:19:53.900 have done well also
00:19:55.160 but few with female
00:19:56.900 leaders have done badly
00:19:58.540 and if you want
00:20:00.320 to look at results
00:20:01.000 I mean Angela Merkel
00:20:01.840 is a very successful
00:20:03.160 politician
00:20:03.740 she's been there
00:20:04.740 forever
00:20:05.160 she keeps coming
00:20:06.440 back and back
00:20:07.200 and back
00:20:07.680 and she is as far
00:20:09.400 as being a staple
00:20:10.760 in Germany
00:20:11.860 and in Europe
00:20:12.420 and internationally
00:20:13.100 she's done well
00:20:13.920 even if I disagree
00:20:14.860 with a lot of what
00:20:16.620 she's tried to do
00:20:17.500 and a lot of what
00:20:18.220 she has done there
00:20:19.040 but I would not
00:20:21.160 like to think
00:20:22.180 that anyone
00:20:23.200 should be making
00:20:23.980 the claim
00:20:24.560 that women
00:20:25.540 are better
00:20:26.260 at doing something
00:20:27.380 just because
00:20:28.060 they're women
00:20:28.560 in the same way
00:20:29.220 that no one
00:20:29.860 should be saying
00:20:30.540 about men
00:20:31.460 that men are better
00:20:32.300 at doing something
00:20:33.120 just because
00:20:34.060 they are men
00:20:35.040 so let's look
00:20:36.440 at some of the reasons
00:20:37.500 they say
00:20:38.080 for the why
00:20:39.320 so Kathleen Gerson
00:20:41.520 who's a professor
00:20:42.660 of sociology
00:20:43.260 at NYU
00:20:44.100 says women leaders
00:20:45.880 are more likely
00:20:46.840 to be elected
00:20:47.500 in a political culture
00:20:48.960 in which there's
00:20:49.720 a relative support
00:20:50.720 and trust in government
00:20:51.960 so if you trust government
00:20:53.540 you elect a woman
00:20:54.280 if you don't trust government
00:20:55.240 you elect a man
00:20:55.940 I don't know
00:20:56.360 what the takeaway
00:20:56.860 from that is
00:20:57.520 but that seems
00:20:58.420 to be the implication
00:20:59.240 but she says
00:21:00.820 it's harder for men
00:21:01.640 to escape
00:21:02.300 the way they are
00:21:03.460 expected to behave
00:21:04.700 as leaders
00:21:05.520 so Justin Trudeau
00:21:07.740 Donald Trump
00:21:08.720 Boris Johnson
00:21:09.720 Emmanuel Macron
00:21:10.720 they are all
00:21:11.940 apparently slaves
00:21:13.200 to their sex
00:21:14.200 and they are expected
00:21:15.560 to behave a certain way
00:21:16.540 and they can't do
00:21:17.160 anything other than that
00:21:18.080 that's the takeaway here
00:21:19.480 so it's interesting though
00:21:21.140 because when they say
00:21:21.800 that yeah men
00:21:22.300 can do it as well
00:21:23.060 but women
00:21:23.520 I mean they're
00:21:23.960 they're doing exceptional
00:21:25.140 no one can say why
00:21:27.840 I mean apart
00:21:28.920 from that little
00:21:30.000 sort of quality
00:21:31.380 that Kathleen Gerson
00:21:32.400 tried to pinpoint here
00:21:33.900 no one can actually say
00:21:35.520 why
00:21:35.720 now the theory
00:21:36.700 that I have here
00:21:37.540 and again
00:21:37.800 I don't know
00:21:38.400 if it's true
00:21:38.800 because unlike
00:21:39.620 the people
00:21:40.600 actually not unlike
00:21:41.480 like the people
00:21:42.220 that wrote this
00:21:42.780 I haven't actually
00:21:43.300 studied this
00:21:44.020 in any empirical way
00:21:45.020 I'm just kind of
00:21:46.080 riffing off
00:21:46.620 of the first thing
00:21:47.160 that comes to mind
00:21:47.900 but if they can do it
00:21:48.700 so can I
00:21:49.200 is that a lot
00:21:50.420 of the specific countries
00:21:51.840 that have female leaders
00:21:53.760 are countries
00:21:54.560 that are a lot more
00:21:55.680 and I'm not saying
00:21:56.900 because they have
00:21:57.560 female leaders
00:21:58.140 I'm just talking
00:21:58.640 about those countries
00:21:59.380 specifically
00:22:00.300 like Iceland
00:22:01.860 like Germany
00:22:03.280 they're countries
00:22:04.280 that seem to have
00:22:05.400 a lot more
00:22:06.260 of an ingrained
00:22:07.020 welfare state mentality
00:22:08.420 anyway
00:22:08.820 and I don't think
00:22:09.300 that's related to them
00:22:10.240 having a female leader
00:22:11.440 it may or may not be
00:22:12.280 they're countries
00:22:13.520 where the government
00:22:14.120 is a lot more centralized
00:22:15.200 so that may impact
00:22:16.820 the way people vote
00:22:17.720 or the type of politicians
00:22:18.880 that it attracts
00:22:19.720 from whichever parties
00:22:20.780 and whatever
00:22:21.220 but those countries
00:22:23.540 were the ones
00:22:24.120 that didn't have
00:22:24.840 to discuss
00:22:25.540 and debate
00:22:26.160 whether we immediately
00:22:27.560 spend billions of dollars
00:22:28.800 whether we immediately
00:22:29.580 shut down
00:22:30.360 social infrastructure
00:22:31.700 economic infrastructure
00:22:32.920 and I'm not sure
00:22:34.700 that that's necessarily
00:22:35.940 indicative of success
00:22:37.660 because it doesn't look here
00:22:39.300 like they're actually
00:22:40.260 going based on case numbers
00:22:42.160 I mean in the case
00:22:42.860 of New Zealand
00:22:43.740 they're talking about
00:22:45.220 the fact that
00:22:46.000 a 14-day quarantine
00:22:47.120 was implemented
00:22:47.880 on March 14th
00:22:49.040 with fewer than
00:22:50.240 150 people
00:22:51.280 having been affected
00:22:52.300 and none having died
00:22:53.340 so that's great policy
00:22:55.000 and I think New Zealand's
00:22:55.960 Prime Minister
00:22:56.420 who I disagree with
00:22:57.420 on a lot
00:22:57.820 did the right thing
00:22:58.700 there
00:22:58.920 it's also a lot easier
00:23:00.620 for a literal island
00:23:02.120 to shut it down
00:23:03.560 than it is for Germany
00:23:05.100 which I don't think
00:23:06.240 it's safe to say
00:23:07.040 did have the success
00:23:08.180 that this article
00:23:09.900 is claiming
00:23:10.700 because in Germany
00:23:11.720 they've had
00:23:12.360 almost 5,000 deaths
00:23:13.780 and even though
00:23:14.180 that's a bit better
00:23:14.840 than some other
00:23:15.460 European countries
00:23:16.380 you look at the fact
00:23:17.200 that Germany
00:23:17.760 has not escaped
00:23:19.060 this unscathed
00:23:20.020 and Germany
00:23:20.920 by the way
00:23:21.560 is a country
00:23:22.380 that at the best of times
00:23:23.460 does not care
00:23:24.540 about protecting
00:23:25.460 its borders
00:23:26.080 so I don't think
00:23:27.160 you can hold up
00:23:27.840 all of these things
00:23:28.580 as success stories
00:23:29.560 just because
00:23:30.300 but certainly
00:23:31.500 the identity politics
00:23:32.960 mentality here
00:23:33.980 of let's say
00:23:35.280 that these people
00:23:35.880 are better than
00:23:36.380 these people
00:23:36.800 just because they're women
00:23:37.620 is I think wrong-headed
00:23:39.360 and I think most of the people
00:23:40.620 who are female heads of state
00:23:42.020 and heads of government
00:23:42.780 would probably be offended
00:23:44.180 by this
00:23:44.680 basically chalking up
00:23:46.040 their success
00:23:46.600 just to their sex
00:23:47.680 instead of to
00:23:49.140 decisions they've made
00:23:50.540 and in the case
00:23:51.160 of New Zealand
00:23:51.840 shutting down its border
00:23:52.820 I don't think
00:23:53.620 that has anything
00:23:54.180 to do with
00:23:55.060 Prime Minister
00:23:55.680 Jacinda Ardern
00:23:56.420 being a woman
00:23:57.100 and everything to do
00:23:58.240 with her doing
00:23:59.060 what made the most sense
00:24:00.540 and I don't think
00:24:01.400 that we can say
00:24:02.280 that men or women
00:24:03.480 are either
00:24:04.680 more or less
00:24:06.300 logical
00:24:06.980 when it comes
00:24:07.560 to these sorts of things
00:24:08.440 I think that
00:24:09.100 individual people
00:24:09.840 can be logical
00:24:10.580 and illogical
00:24:11.360 and that's that
00:24:12.800 I want to talk
00:24:14.460 about the World Health
00:24:15.320 Organization again
00:24:16.240 because this whole thing
00:24:17.220 has become
00:24:18.080 a complete sham
00:24:19.240 of an organization
00:24:20.060 as you know
00:24:20.820 Reason.com
00:24:22.360 Robbie Soove
00:24:23.120 has a great piece here
00:24:24.480 the WHO
00:24:26.020 pushed a tweet out
00:24:28.040 spreading paranoia
00:24:29.340 about reinfection
00:24:30.640 and then had to delete it
00:24:32.420 even though other media outlets
00:24:33.840 had already cited it
00:24:34.900 and in this case
00:24:36.900 it was on Friday
00:24:37.760 when the World Health Organization
00:24:39.420 published a brief
00:24:40.360 on so-called
00:24:41.600 immunity passports
00:24:42.880 the idea that governments
00:24:43.900 could grant
00:24:44.540 special documents
00:24:45.820 to citizens
00:24:46.420 who test positive
00:24:47.320 for COVID-19 antibodies
00:24:48.900 thus allowing them
00:24:50.300 to move freely
00:24:51.260 the WHO warned
00:24:53.100 that this is premature
00:24:54.020 because they said
00:24:54.900 quote
00:24:55.220 no study has evaluated
00:24:56.920 whether the presence
00:24:58.260 of antibodies
00:24:59.060 to SARS-CoV-2
00:25:00.740 confers immunity
00:25:02.000 to subsequent infection
00:25:03.660 by this virus
00:25:04.720 in humans
00:25:05.420 and in the tweet
00:25:06.680 version of it
00:25:07.700 they actually
00:25:08.700 didn't put that context
00:25:10.240 they just said
00:25:11.100 there is no evidence
00:25:12.380 that people
00:25:12.800 who have recovered
00:25:13.440 from COVID-19
00:25:14.300 and have antibodies
00:25:15.260 are protected
00:25:15.920 from a second infection
00:25:17.840 so they actually
00:25:19.060 put out paranoia
00:25:20.940 that you can see
00:25:22.040 other articles
00:25:22.960 picked up
00:25:23.540 for example
00:25:24.240 a CNN piece here
00:25:25.840 WHO says
00:25:26.820 no evidence shows
00:25:27.760 that having coronavirus
00:25:28.660 prevents a second infection
00:25:30.800 a Bloomberg story
00:25:32.160 that said
00:25:32.500 catching COVID-19 once
00:25:34.140 may not protect you
00:25:35.200 from getting it again
00:25:36.060 according to the
00:25:37.100 World Health Organization
00:25:38.220 a finding that
00:25:39.260 could jeopardize efforts
00:25:40.380 to allow people
00:25:41.160 to return to work
00:25:42.160 after recovering
00:25:43.160 from the virus
00:25:43.820 so you can see
00:25:44.600 lots of mainstream
00:25:45.420 media articles
00:25:46.160 that all pick up
00:25:46.960 on that idea
00:25:47.600 when that was actually
00:25:48.940 the disclaimer
00:25:49.840 to their main message
00:25:51.220 not the main message itself
00:25:53.660 so they deleted this
00:25:56.180 they had no finding
00:25:58.320 to speak of
00:25:59.220 Robbie Suave points out
00:26:00.560 just an absence
00:26:01.400 of definitive proof
00:26:02.440 and then they put up this
00:26:03.880 earlier today
00:26:04.660 we tweeted
00:26:05.180 a new WHO
00:26:06.180 scientific brief
00:26:07.200 on immunity passports
00:26:08.740 the thread
00:26:09.300 caused some concern
00:26:10.360 and we would like
00:26:11.420 to clarify
00:26:11.960 we expect
00:26:13.080 that most people
00:26:13.920 who are infected
00:26:14.700 with COVID-19
00:26:15.680 will develop
00:26:16.500 an antibody response
00:26:17.940 that will provide
00:26:18.660 some level of protection
00:26:20.200 so they've gone
00:26:21.220 from it provides
00:26:21.920 no protection
00:26:22.620 to we expect
00:26:23.520 it will provide
00:26:24.220 protection
00:26:24.800 to which I say
00:26:25.820 why are we looking
00:26:26.760 at these people
00:26:27.600 as being the so-called
00:26:28.580 grown-ups in the room
00:26:29.720 the people that are
00:26:30.760 supposed to be in charge
00:26:32.000 leading us
00:26:32.680 steering the ship
00:26:33.500 the steady hands
00:26:34.680 in this
00:26:34.960 why are we looking
00:26:36.040 to them
00:26:36.520 when they can't even
00:26:37.320 get their own
00:26:38.200 science straight
00:26:39.500 and they're more
00:26:40.980 focused on
00:26:41.620 let's just keep
00:26:42.520 sending out these tweets
00:26:43.520 and messages
00:26:44.120 and stuff
00:26:44.620 and not actually
00:26:46.000 worry about
00:26:47.080 our response
00:26:48.000 and our malignant
00:26:48.980 presence
00:26:49.460 and our capitulation
00:26:51.020 to China
00:26:51.620 and our non-doctor
00:26:53.160 director general
00:26:54.240 Tedros Adhanom
00:26:55.240 and WHO
00:26:56.720 is the one
00:26:57.920 that we are all
00:26:59.160 supposed to look up
00:27:00.080 to and respect
00:27:00.660 and look
00:27:01.300 mistakes are made
00:27:02.320 I get it
00:27:02.980 people can put out
00:27:04.340 sloppily worded tweets
00:27:05.680 I get that as well
00:27:06.780 but most of us
00:27:08.620 I think
00:27:09.240 if we're going to have
00:27:10.300 this centralized
00:27:11.080 supranational body
00:27:12.920 that serves as an authority
00:27:14.600 we should expect them
00:27:16.020 to have their stuff
00:27:16.900 together a lot more
00:27:18.260 than the WHO
00:27:19.120 has proved
00:27:20.380 we'll be back
00:27:21.080 in just a moment
00:27:21.640 with more of
00:27:22.280 The Andrew Lawton Show
00:27:23.060 stay tuned
00:27:23.700 you're tuned in
00:27:26.420 to The Andrew Lawton Show
00:27:27.960 I'm generally reticent
00:27:31.700 to make predictions
00:27:32.520 for two reasons
00:27:33.340 number one
00:27:33.800 I don't want to look
00:27:34.300 like a fool
00:27:34.780 if they don't come to pass
00:27:35.860 but I also think
00:27:37.060 that they're generally
00:27:37.960 imprudent
00:27:38.500 I like to look
00:27:39.300 at all the options
00:27:40.040 and all the possible scenarios
00:27:41.380 and go from there
00:27:42.560 and last week
00:27:44.100 on the show
00:27:44.720 I was talking about
00:27:46.040 whether or not
00:27:47.240 the Nova Scotia killer
00:27:48.520 Gabriel Wartman
00:27:49.560 had a firearms license
00:27:51.840 and at the time
00:27:52.520 we didn't know
00:27:53.180 and what happened
00:27:54.520 when I recorded the show
00:27:55.480 I think it was
00:27:55.840 Wednesday morning
00:27:56.580 or Wednesday midday
00:27:57.680 we didn't know
00:27:58.940 but we did know
00:27:59.820 that the federal government
00:28:00.840 had already started
00:28:01.620 to talk about
00:28:02.320 the Nova Scotia killing
00:28:03.460 a little over a week ago
00:28:05.040 as being indicative
00:28:06.060 of the need
00:28:06.740 for more gun control
00:28:07.980 and a reminder
00:28:08.980 of why we need to ban
00:28:10.180 what the government calls
00:28:11.280 assault weapons
00:28:12.200 and all that stuff
00:28:12.980 and I was talking about this
00:28:15.240 and I said listen
00:28:16.080 I mean right now
00:28:16.840 there's no evidence
00:28:17.880 one way or another
00:28:19.680 about whether the guy
00:28:20.460 had a firearms license
00:28:21.620 or not
00:28:21.980 the one thing we did know
00:28:23.020 is that years earlier
00:28:24.740 in his life
00:28:25.340 back in 2002
00:28:26.600 he had been given
00:28:27.900 a conditional discharge
00:28:29.040 for an assault charge
00:28:30.160 and one of the conditions
00:28:31.560 was that he was banned
00:28:32.700 from owning firearms
00:28:33.680 for nine months
00:28:34.440 that was what we knew
00:28:35.200 it wasn't a lifetime ban
00:28:36.740 and it wasn't something
00:28:37.620 that necessarily
00:28:38.580 was indicative of eligibility
00:28:40.600 or lack thereof
00:28:41.680 in 2020
00:28:42.460 however
00:28:43.480 we didn't know
00:28:44.740 one way or another
00:28:45.400 and I said
00:28:45.780 he was probably
00:28:47.080 not licensed
00:28:48.080 but I didn't know
00:28:50.040 and I didn't want
00:28:50.740 to say for sure
00:28:51.380 and then what was interesting
00:28:53.400 is a few hours later
00:28:55.120 just as the show
00:28:55.920 was coming out
00:28:56.560 we had RCMP
00:28:57.880 saying that they have
00:28:59.020 a good idea
00:28:59.920 that he was not licensed
00:29:02.900 that in a Canadian context
00:29:04.560 they couldn't see
00:29:05.260 any evidence
00:29:05.820 of a firearms license
00:29:06.900 they weren't sure
00:29:07.880 about if he had
00:29:08.600 a permit elsewhere
00:29:09.640 in the world
00:29:10.740 but in Canada
00:29:11.940 they said he didn't
00:29:12.820 and that was a big point
00:29:14.520 that I think
00:29:15.200 was a very important one
00:29:16.500 and undercut
00:29:17.900 the messaging
00:29:18.600 that Justin Trudeau
00:29:19.540 had already started
00:29:20.320 to put out
00:29:20.860 now even without knowing
00:29:23.680 it was irresponsible
00:29:24.960 for Justin Trudeau
00:29:26.120 and Bill Blair
00:29:26.660 to start talking
00:29:27.340 about gun control
00:29:28.120 for that exact reason
00:29:29.340 they didn't know
00:29:29.980 how can they say
00:29:31.100 that it's evidence
00:29:32.020 of the need
00:29:32.640 for more gun control
00:29:33.380 when they don't know
00:29:34.620 whether or not
00:29:35.180 he had a license
00:29:35.900 because if he has a license
00:29:37.360 it proves there might be
00:29:38.800 some gaps in the system
00:29:39.860 if he doesn't have one
00:29:41.240 it proves that the system
00:29:42.240 itself doesn't matter
00:29:43.500 but what happened
00:29:45.220 later on in the week
00:29:46.320 on Friday
00:29:47.000 we got information
00:29:49.000 that the guns
00:29:50.640 didn't even
00:29:51.500 for the most part
00:29:52.300 have Canadian origins
00:29:53.640 police gave another briefing
00:29:55.060 late last week
00:29:56.040 and they said
00:29:56.960 that one of the guns
00:29:57.940 that the killer used
00:29:59.100 could be traced back
00:29:59.980 to Canada
00:30:00.500 and the rest
00:30:02.100 and we don't know
00:30:02.620 how many or what types
00:30:03.840 had U.S. origins
00:30:05.520 predominantly
00:30:06.120 not all of them
00:30:06.960 but mostly U.S. origins
00:30:08.560 now this is so huge
00:30:10.920 because anytime we talk
00:30:12.700 about illegal guns
00:30:13.580 in Canada
00:30:14.140 we learn that the vast
00:30:16.200 majority of them
00:30:17.040 are stolen or smuggled
00:30:18.880 and it seems like
00:30:19.780 smuggling is more common
00:30:21.660 even than theft
00:30:22.980 from domestic sources
00:30:24.180 so for a guy
00:30:25.780 who embarks
00:30:26.860 on this rampage
00:30:27.980 this mass killing
00:30:28.920 claiming 22 lives
00:30:30.380 plus an unborn child
00:30:31.660 in there
00:30:31.940 so let's say 23 lives
00:30:33.260 just such a despicable
00:30:35.080 act of evil
00:30:35.820 the gun laws
00:30:37.480 didn't matter
00:30:38.360 gun control
00:30:39.140 didn't matter
00:30:39.800 and same as the laws
00:30:41.360 that prohibit you
00:30:42.060 from dressing up
00:30:42.980 in a police uniform
00:30:43.840 the laws that prohibit you
00:30:45.120 from putting police decals
00:30:46.360 on a car
00:30:47.300 and driving around
00:30:48.160 none of these laws
00:30:49.640 which exist
00:30:50.320 which are on the books
00:30:51.200 did anything to stop
00:30:52.620 someone from embarking
00:30:54.420 on what this man
00:30:56.000 embarked on
00:30:56.840 and I spoke last week
00:30:58.900 to Professor Jacqueline
00:31:00.160 Shieldkraut
00:31:00.700 who's a criminology
00:31:01.680 and criminal justice
00:31:02.640 professor from New York
00:31:04.120 and she had said
00:31:04.880 listen I mean
00:31:05.360 anytime someone
00:31:06.240 looks at gun control
00:31:07.960 as being a panacea
00:31:09.260 they're missing the mark
00:31:10.200 and I thought she
00:31:11.140 extrapolated very well
00:31:12.760 on that
00:31:13.140 she said
00:31:13.560 whenever a mass shooting
00:31:14.900 happens
00:31:15.380 a whole bunch of things
00:31:16.540 have converged
00:31:17.340 on one point
00:31:18.300 on one person
00:31:19.500 at one time
00:31:20.360 and it's gun access
00:31:22.820 it's motivation
00:31:24.040 it's life
00:31:24.880 it's mental health
00:31:26.660 infrastructure
00:31:27.220 and there are
00:31:27.780 a whole bunch
00:31:28.180 of different things
00:31:28.820 that have all gone
00:31:29.980 to one particular point
00:31:31.520 and that's what happens
00:31:32.420 and if you take out
00:31:33.360 one of those variables
00:31:34.440 you're not actually
00:31:35.260 solving any problems
00:31:36.420 it may feel good
00:31:37.300 it may feel like
00:31:38.540 you're solving a problem
00:31:39.440 but you're not actually
00:31:40.640 doing anything substantive
00:31:42.060 that is going to
00:31:42.920 save lives
00:31:43.980 in the long run
00:31:45.060 so Justin Trudeau
00:31:46.800 Bill Blair
00:31:47.180 yeah they were already
00:31:48.120 committed to gun control
00:31:49.260 they were already committed
00:31:50.180 to cracking down
00:31:51.680 on firearms
00:31:52.320 that are actually
00:31:52.900 not even used
00:31:53.740 in killings in Canada
00:31:55.280 that do take place
00:31:56.220 the vast majority
00:31:57.540 of gun crime
00:31:58.220 is gang related
00:31:59.140 and using illegal handguns
00:32:01.060 they're going after
00:32:02.060 these so-called
00:32:02.840 assault weapons
00:32:03.760 which they haven't
00:32:04.460 even defined
00:32:05.180 but to use
00:32:07.720 this killing
00:32:08.720 to use these lives
00:32:10.720 that were lost
00:32:11.520 as justification
00:32:12.720 just doesn't align
00:32:14.880 with the facts
00:32:15.680 of the story
00:32:16.320 it just doesn't
00:32:17.240 and I said
00:32:19.220 last week
00:32:19.960 and it bears repeating
00:32:20.800 that this is not
00:32:21.880 a discussion
00:32:22.400 I want to be having
00:32:23.120 I don't want to be
00:32:24.100 talking about gun control
00:32:25.300 and gun rights
00:32:26.340 I would much rather
00:32:27.260 look to the victims
00:32:28.060 and say let's honor
00:32:29.200 their lives
00:32:29.800 and honor their memories
00:32:30.640 but people like me
00:32:32.840 who are supporters
00:32:33.760 of gun rights
00:32:34.740 have no choice
00:32:36.280 when the gun control
00:32:38.120 people start
00:32:39.120 politicizing tragedy
00:32:40.700 moments after
00:32:42.380 tragedy happens
00:32:43.600 because we can't
00:32:45.400 just shut up
00:32:46.060 and say all right
00:32:46.520 well we're not going
00:32:47.120 to defend gun ownership
00:32:48.460 because it's in poor
00:32:49.680 taste right now
00:32:50.340 no I think you have
00:32:51.320 to defend it
00:32:51.940 but point out
00:32:52.520 how in poor taste
00:32:53.540 the people that are
00:32:54.540 calling for
00:32:55.440 disarming
00:32:56.360 law-abiding gun owners
00:32:58.040 are you have to
00:32:58.620 call out how callous
00:32:59.720 their political
00:33:00.680 response to this is
00:33:01.920 so the RCMP
00:33:04.000 it took them a little
00:33:04.980 while I think
00:33:05.700 too long
00:33:06.240 to say whether
00:33:07.440 or not he had
00:33:08.240 a gun license
00:33:08.920 but then they did
00:33:10.000 and it wasn't even
00:33:10.860 in the main statement
00:33:11.620 it was when someone
00:33:12.240 asked a question
00:33:13.080 initially they weren't
00:33:14.300 responding
00:33:14.800 and then it was a
00:33:15.420 reporter that pushed
00:33:16.200 a bit further
00:33:16.760 on Wednesday
00:33:17.760 and said okay look
00:33:18.620 I'm just
00:33:19.160 like there's no trial
00:33:20.780 here you don't need
00:33:21.440 to hold back
00:33:22.040 any details
00:33:22.700 for a court case
00:33:24.220 so just tell us
00:33:24.940 did he or did he
00:33:25.520 not have a license
00:33:26.280 and the RCMP
00:33:27.640 superintendent at the
00:33:29.060 time was like
00:33:29.920 he was a bit
00:33:30.980 waffling on it
00:33:31.900 and then he just
00:33:32.420 said yeah we
00:33:33.000 believe and we
00:33:34.300 have a good idea
00:33:34.980 that he didn't
00:33:35.680 have a gun license
00:33:36.760 and then when the
00:33:38.240 RCMP gave the
00:33:39.820 walkthrough on the
00:33:40.960 timeline of what
00:33:42.600 happened when things
00:33:43.640 happened the
00:33:44.140 different crime
00:33:44.740 scenes they were
00:33:46.020 able to give a bit
00:33:46.760 more clarity and say
00:33:47.700 that there were
00:33:48.120 multiple guns
00:33:48.880 it's unclear how
00:33:50.440 many handguns
00:33:51.340 so at one point
00:33:52.420 they said a pistol
00:33:53.360 and at other
00:33:54.360 points they said
00:33:55.040 pistols so we
00:33:56.440 don't quite know
00:33:57.600 the volume and I
00:33:58.640 reached out to the
00:33:59.460 RCMP for clarification
00:34:00.640 and didn't hear back
00:34:01.880 so I won't commit
00:34:03.060 one way or another
00:34:03.720 but still multiple
00:34:04.600 guns that were
00:34:05.800 illegal to be
00:34:06.780 owned were
00:34:07.540 unregistered were
00:34:08.640 unlicensed by an
00:34:09.620 unlicensed killer
00:34:10.420 whether we can do
00:34:12.380 something to protect
00:34:13.120 the border against
00:34:14.000 this I think is an
00:34:15.140 important question
00:34:15.940 but it proves that
00:34:17.080 the answer is not
00:34:18.020 going to come from
00:34:18.880 reclassifying firearms
00:34:20.480 as prohibited
00:34:21.140 it's not going to
00:34:22.280 come from restricting
00:34:23.080 law abiding gun
00:34:23.940 owners it's not
00:34:24.660 going to come from
00:34:25.200 changing even storage
00:34:26.620 regulations because
00:34:27.580 these are guns that
00:34:28.380 were smuggled
00:34:29.020 illegally from
00:34:30.380 Canada or from
00:34:31.720 the US to
00:34:32.440 Canada and even
00:34:34.120 if you want to
00:34:34.960 blame the US for
00:34:36.100 this and blame US
00:34:37.140 gun laws and gun
00:34:38.140 access which fine
00:34:39.060 that's a discussion
00:34:39.780 if you want to have
00:34:40.420 it go have it but
00:34:41.560 that has nothing to
00:34:42.560 do with Canada
00:34:43.240 because we as a
00:34:44.440 country cannot
00:34:45.100 control other
00:34:46.080 countries firearms
00:34:47.080 laws nor should
00:34:47.840 we so if we have
00:34:49.940 an issue with the
00:34:51.080 US and how easy it
00:34:52.160 is to get a gun in
00:34:52.860 the US that says
00:34:54.080 hey we should
00:34:54.640 probably take our
00:34:55.360 border a lot more
00:34:56.180 seriously than we
00:34:56.980 take our border the
00:34:58.440 answer to another
00:34:59.620 country's gun laws
00:35:00.900 that you don't like
00:35:01.720 is to start taking
00:35:03.200 your border and
00:35:04.160 your border control
00:35:04.980 more seriously
00:35:05.760 knowing that someone
00:35:07.100 could hey smuggle
00:35:08.100 guns in legally or
00:35:09.880 illegally legally if
00:35:11.020 they have legally if
00:35:12.180 it's not smuggling
00:35:12.700 because if they have a
00:35:13.620 license in Canada and
00:35:15.120 you're able to it's
00:35:15.840 very difficult for most
00:35:16.720 Canadians to buy a
00:35:17.600 gun in the US but
00:35:18.420 if you are able to
00:35:19.520 and you have the
00:35:20.480 appropriate license in
00:35:21.500 Canada yes you can
00:35:22.560 import them but you
00:35:24.240 also have to get
00:35:24.780 export permits from
00:35:25.660 the US so if someone
00:35:27.320 brings a gun from the
00:35:28.260 US to Canada there are
00:35:29.660 a lot of things that
00:35:30.480 have to happen in the
00:35:31.460 vast majority of cases
00:35:32.560 it's being done
00:35:33.440 illegally so for the
00:35:35.980 Nova Scotia killing
00:35:36.980 the reason I'm talking
00:35:38.040 about this is because
00:35:39.000 Trudeau is using this
00:35:40.560 as an example and I
00:35:42.000 think a lot of people
00:35:42.900 in the media and a lot
00:35:44.020 of people in Canada are
00:35:44.980 probably going to buy
00:35:45.840 into it
00:35:46.440 as why gun control
00:35:48.460 matters more than
00:35:49.960 ever and why it's
00:35:50.880 needed to be
00:35:51.620 restricted when if
00:35:52.840 you look at the
00:35:53.320 facts of this it
00:35:54.160 actually matters even
00:35:55.940 less than it did
00:35:57.500 before because this
00:35:58.420 is probably and I
00:36:00.340 hate to say this
00:36:01.420 because again it
00:36:02.200 sickens me that this
00:36:03.420 has to become a
00:36:04.120 political discussion
00:36:04.900 now but this case is
00:36:06.760 everything that gun
00:36:08.760 rights advocates have
00:36:10.180 been talking about
00:36:11.040 whenever the topic
00:36:12.180 comes up which is
00:36:12.940 that criminals don't
00:36:14.600 care criminals don't
00:36:16.100 care and it shouldn't
00:36:16.800 need to be stated
00:36:17.820 because criminals are
00:36:19.000 already playing fast and
00:36:19.920 loose with the law
00:36:20.860 because they're
00:36:21.320 ignoring it so why
00:36:22.380 would a regulation
00:36:23.380 help them it doesn't
00:36:24.620 prevent access it
00:36:25.600 doesn't prevent
00:36:26.180 possession and it
00:36:27.300 certainly doesn't
00:36:28.000 prevent people from
00:36:28.740 opening fire on
00:36:30.080 innocent people as
00:36:31.240 they did in this case
00:36:32.080 and as they've done in
00:36:32.960 countless other cases
00:36:33.980 so if you think gun
00:36:36.160 control is the answer
00:36:37.160 here you are sorely
00:36:38.560 misguided and if you
00:36:39.540 think that now is the
00:36:40.380 time to be talking
00:36:41.140 about gun control you
00:36:42.520 need to look in the
00:36:43.160 mirror and ask yourself
00:36:44.060 why you are being so
00:36:45.160 insensitive to capture
00:36:47.480 and basically hijack
00:36:51.160 to hijack a case that
00:36:53.280 has nothing to do with
00:36:54.180 guns and make it about
00:36:55.080 your political agenda
00:36:56.200 we've got to wrap
00:36:57.240 things up my thanks to
00:36:58.420 all who listened to the
00:36:59.520 show wrote in we'll
00:37:00.300 talk to you in just a
00:37:01.280 couple of days with more
00:37:02.520 of Canada's most
00:37:03.640 irreverent talk show
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