Juno News - Criminalizing Churchgoers and Legislating Gun Owners

00:00:00.000 Welcome to Canada's most irreverent talk show. This is the Andrew Lawton Show brought to you by True North.

00:00:14.980 The Andrew Lawton Show starts right now.

00:00:21.720 Welcome back to another week of the Andrew Lawton Show here on True North, Canada's most irreverent talk show.

00:00:27.980 It's my great pleasure to have you with us on this April 27th, 2020 edition of the program.

00:00:34.160 I'm not keeping track of how long we've been in this perpetual state of flux because I think it only gets too depressing.

00:00:40.360 But I do hope you are managing your way through it, keeping healthy, keeping sane.

00:00:44.620 Not necessarily in that order, though perhaps, you never know.

00:00:47.920 In any case, thanks very much.

00:00:49.340 We are going to talk today about a little bit of the Nova Scotia details that changed after the last episode finished recording,

00:00:57.720 which always happens.

00:00:58.840 You commit to just one detail and then just as you're hitting upload to post it, you know, something comes out and changes.

00:01:04.420 We'll talk about that.

00:01:05.600 Thankfully, what was announced was actually something that I had predicted.

00:01:09.480 So I can claim somewhat of an exoneration on any issues there, but we'll talk about that later on.

00:01:15.000 So I want to start first by delving into some more of these public safety, public order divergences here,

00:01:23.820 where the public order measures that law enforcement officials are using,

00:01:28.120 I don't think are actually really doing anything for public health.

00:01:32.280 And one of them actually comes to a town near me, Elmer, Ontario, where, like many other people, I'm going to church online now.

00:01:40.160 So my church has switched to online services.

00:01:42.620 A lot of people are doing this in multiple religious gatherings and religious denominations.

00:01:48.060 I know Muslims are doing their prayers via Zoom, a lot of the cases now for Ramadan.

00:01:52.880 And if you are a Muslim, happy Ramadan to you.

00:01:55.560 But the one thing I will point out is that there is a church in Elmer, Ontario that decided to do something that I think I might have even mentioned as a joke.

00:02:04.360 I can't remember if I said it on the show or if I said it to someone else.

00:02:06.860 If I said it on the show, let me know, because I want to, like, claim credit for them doing this.

00:02:12.120 But I said, I wonder if someone could just do, like, a drive-in, where we could just reopen drive-in movie theaters

00:02:17.720 and any other social events you can just do as the old drive-in mentality,

00:02:21.480 where you drive in, you tune your car to a particular radio station that has a really short range, and you do it.

00:02:27.260 I thought that would be a way to kind of get around the whole you can't be in the same room as five people thing.

00:02:32.560 And there's a church in Elmer that's been doing drive-in services where everyone gets into the car,

00:02:39.040 they keep the car windows up, they turn to whatever the radio station is,

00:02:42.500 and the preacher stands outside the church and does his sermon, and everyone gets to hear it on the radio.

00:02:49.180 And I think this is actually a great way of doing things because you are completely socially distanced,

00:02:55.320 you're not near anyone else, you're not touching anyone, you're not speaking moistly on them,

00:02:59.300 and then what happens is people are able to read their Bibles, they get that feeling of community,

00:03:05.120 and in this case, police didn't like it.

00:03:07.540 Police decided to have a complete surveillance operation running at this church service in Elmer,

00:03:14.100 the Church of God, which is near St. Thomas, Ontario, which is near London, Ontario, which is near Toronto.

00:03:19.540 The further away you get, the less likely you are to know where it is.

00:03:23.320 So if you have no idea, it's on a map in southwestern Ontario.

00:03:26.000 In any case, this story, courtesy of the London Free Press,

00:03:30.300 police videotaped a drive-in church service but issued no ticket Sunday

00:03:34.420 as a battle over the meaning of a province-wide emergency order reached new levels.

00:03:40.100 You look further on down, and there is literally a police officer surveilling the church service,

00:03:46.260 and ultimately the sermon was about the importance of keeping churches up and running.

00:03:50.880 And this is one of these things where if you're able to do your sermon online,

00:03:56.020 and you're able to do all that online, fine.

00:03:58.380 I think that is adequate for the time being.

00:04:01.360 But if you want to do something like this, even if it is in spite of legislation,

00:04:05.840 you have to ask who is really being harmed here.

00:04:08.680 Now, I know that police were not actually ticketing anyone,

00:04:12.120 and I don't know if they're going to issue formal warnings.

00:04:14.300 I mean, the videotaping, I think, is a bit menacing,

00:04:16.560 because now they have all the license plates of the people that went there.

00:04:19.940 And if they decide they want to take things seriously moving forward,

00:04:22.840 they can go literally door-to-door and start canvassing all these people

00:04:26.740 whose only crime, and I put that in the loosest terminology possible,

00:04:32.380 was going to church and not leaving their car on Sunday.

00:04:36.020 I mean, just consider it no different than you stopped in a parking lot

00:04:40.100 to take a phone call on your way to the grocery store,

00:04:43.300 which is allowed under this whole thing.

00:04:45.240 So right now, it is still not illegal, in Ontario anyway,

00:04:49.100 for you to drive out on the road.

00:04:50.760 It's not illegal for you to go and do the things that you want to do in your day.

00:04:54.920 Now, a gathering is, I don't know how they define gathering.

00:04:58.120 I would say if you're in a parking lot in your cars, you could go either way,

00:05:01.640 because on one hand, if it was promoted and scheduled

00:05:03.880 and everyone was there for a similar event, fine.

00:05:07.520 But no one is actually being harmed by this.

00:05:10.140 And when you have law enforcement resources

00:05:12.300 that are now going towards monitoring people

00:05:15.300 who are just going to church in their cars on a Sunday,

00:05:18.940 you have to wonder who on earth is being helped by this.

00:05:23.260 And there's a website that I came across on the weekend

00:05:25.940 that I thought was actually very interesting.

00:05:28.040 It's called policingthepandemic.github.io.

00:05:32.080 And it actually has a rolling chart.

00:05:34.980 It's kind of a database of various cases where people have been charged

00:05:38.980 with violating these emergency provisions.

00:05:41.240 And they're sourcing it from news outlets,

00:05:43.100 so it's not an exhaustive list nationwide of people who have been charged.

00:05:47.160 But it is a list of all the news stories about it.

00:05:50.760 And in some cases, there are no details.

00:05:52.520 For example, line 122 on this is someone in Edmonton,

00:05:56.080 a man who was handing out religious pamphlets.

00:05:59.400 So another one where religion is apparently no longer allowed

00:06:02.500 in the age of coronavirus.

00:06:04.840 And this particular man was fined $1,200

00:06:07.860 for using a long stick with a claw,

00:06:12.420 which is actually very biblical if you think about it,

00:06:14.780 a long stick with a claw.

00:06:16.000 I think that was one of the plagues or something.

00:06:17.780 But he was not complying with the physical distancing guidelines

00:06:20.820 by handing out all of this written material.

00:06:24.740 And the thing that I find fascinating about this

00:06:27.920 is that he apparently was not socially distanced,

00:06:32.080 but the whole point is that you still have the right to be outside.

00:06:36.520 So his offense, if you will,

00:06:39.820 is violating the Public Health Act of Alberta

00:06:43.500 by not physical distancing.

00:06:45.680 Okay, like if he is handing out pamphlets

00:06:48.920 and people don't want to get the pamphlet,

00:06:51.260 they can just walk away.

00:06:52.860 They can just not go near him.

00:06:54.380 It doesn't sound from any of the reports that I've seen

00:06:57.200 that he was assaulting people,

00:06:59.140 berating people, assailing people.

00:07:01.080 And here's the thing.

00:07:02.400 So I get of mixed mind on things like this

00:07:05.440 because on one hand, I'm like,

00:07:06.760 why are you going out of your way to antagonize?

00:07:09.280 Despite the fact that I roll my eyes

00:07:11.160 at a lot of these bylaws and enforcement officers,

00:07:13.480 the whole point that I've said in the past,

00:07:15.640 and we'll say again,

00:07:16.640 is that we should all do our part as individual people,

00:07:21.560 not as citizens that are threatened by law enforcement,

00:07:24.700 which means, yeah, we should respect the spirit of public health.

00:07:28.980 We should respect the idea that we don't want to endanger other people.

00:07:31.720 So I don't like this idea of deliberately antagonizing people.

00:07:35.320 I don't like this idea of the protest that took place at Queen's Park on the weekend,

00:07:39.840 which, by the way, if you look at the pictures from this protest,

00:07:42.660 I find this hilarious.

00:07:43.720 So here are people, they may have, I think,

00:07:46.140 a kernel of good in what they're doing in,

00:07:49.080 sorry, in what they want to do,

00:07:50.340 which is say, yeah, we've got to stand up for civil liberties.

00:07:52.800 But you've got a lot of people there that are saying,

00:07:54.800 oh, the virus is a hoax.

00:07:55.920 We think this is all made up.

00:07:57.380 And we think this is all nonsense.

00:07:59.040 And you've got people that also,

00:08:00.720 if you look at the signs that are saying,

00:08:02.140 yeah, it's, I'm not saying no to the virus.

00:08:04.120 I'm just saying that civil liberties are important.

00:08:06.820 But the thing that I found funny about this

00:08:08.560 is that all of them were like keeping six feet apart from each other,

00:08:11.460 which kind of proves, I guess it proves either point.

00:08:14.140 But on one hand, it proves that,

00:08:15.640 okay, they clearly think there is an issue here

00:08:17.860 if they're not wanting to be all huddled together

00:08:19.680 with, you know, their arms around each other.

00:08:21.660 Because that's the real way you protest.

00:08:23.160 If you really want to tell the government you don't buy into this,

00:08:25.320 you should all just start, you know,

00:08:27.040 speaking moistly on each other, linking arms,

00:08:29.540 you know, doing a bit of a conga line or something

00:08:31.560 with your hands on everyone.

00:08:32.860 But they were all keeping apart,

00:08:34.500 which suggests that they do believe there is some truth

00:08:37.060 to what's going on right now,

00:08:38.580 being bad and being something that needs to be dealt with.

00:08:42.180 But when you look at this list,

00:08:43.540 this policing the pandemic list,

00:08:45.260 there are a lot of people where they have not done anything

00:08:48.900 that has endangered other people,

00:08:50.900 and they're getting fined.

00:08:52.040 You look at these churchgoers in Elmer, Ontario,

00:08:54.920 they've not put anyone in harm's way,

00:08:57.040 and now they are facing police harassment.

00:09:00.100 I don't even know what else to call it,

00:09:01.780 police harassment,

00:09:02.540 just because they decided to park in a parking lot

00:09:05.700 on a Sunday for half an hour

00:09:06.900 and listen to someone talk about the Bible

00:09:09.180 and talk about God,

00:09:10.100 which is kind of a church thing.

00:09:12.180 So, you know, you could say that people

00:09:14.260 are trying to find the loopholes and all of that,

00:09:17.380 but I go back to what has become a theme on the show,

00:09:19.900 and I know I sound like a broken record,

00:09:21.440 but if you're just tuning in

00:09:22.340 and you haven't heard previous episodes,

00:09:24.000 I'm going to say that the biggest problem

00:09:26.900 facing any jurisdiction right now,

00:09:29.900 but speaking in Canada,

00:09:30.880 all of the provincial jurisdictions

00:09:32.340 that have put these laws and rules and orders into effect

00:09:35.720 is that when the spirit of the law

00:09:37.620 and the letter of the law diverge,

00:09:40.040 you should always go with what makes sense,

00:09:42.980 with the pragmatic approach,

00:09:44.280 and there are a lot of these laws

00:09:45.700 that were just, you know,

00:09:46.780 slapdash, ham-fistedly put together,

00:09:49.420 written on the back of a napkin,

00:09:51.040 and they're going after people

00:09:52.900 like the kids who play basketball,

00:09:55.080 like the family that rollerblades,

00:09:56.960 like, and Rebel News has done a great job,

00:09:59.420 by the way,

00:09:59.840 Rebel News has started taking up some of these cases

00:10:02.020 and actually helping people fight them,

00:10:06.080 helping people fight these orders

00:10:07.520 that they think are unjust,

00:10:09.940 and some of the cases they've decided,

00:10:12.340 there was an email that went out yesterday,

00:10:14.500 a Calgary pastor who was feeding homeless people

00:10:17.100 on the street,

00:10:17.700 he got ticketed,

00:10:18.780 a Cornwall man whose private dinner

00:10:20.780 was interrupted by police banging on the door,

00:10:23.360 a corner store owner in Woodstock, Ontario,

00:10:25.640 that didn't put up a plexiglass cashier's barrier 0.51

00:10:28.680 within 60 minutes of being ordered to do it.

00:10:32.420 That case was ridiculous.

00:10:33.620 They told him to do it.

00:10:34.660 An hour later,

00:10:35.640 they ticketed him for not having done it.

00:10:37.300 I don't even know if you can get plexiglass in 60 minutes.

00:10:40.080 And then a senior citizen who was fined

00:10:41.980 for walking his dog by himself.

00:10:44.580 These are the cases,

00:10:45.600 and yeah,

00:10:45.880 they're obviously picking specific cases

00:10:47.800 that tell the story,

00:10:48.920 but these are no longer outliers.

00:10:51.700 That would be,

00:10:52.880 I'd say,

00:10:53.200 the most important point here.

00:10:54.280 These cases no longer look to be outliers.

00:10:57.180 They look to be the norm.

00:10:58.820 And when these things are happening

00:11:00.680 with greater and greater frequency,

00:11:02.800 nobody is taking the law seriously

00:11:05.020 because nobody trusts that the law

00:11:07.120 is actually about what the law is supposed to be about,

00:11:10.120 which is the idea of public order.

00:11:12.740 And by the way,

00:11:13.400 this isn't just a right-wing conspiracy.

00:11:15.300 This isn't just a bunch of,

00:11:16.960 you know,

00:11:17.220 rabble-rousing conservative people like me

00:11:19.340 that are saying,

00:11:20.640 oh,

00:11:20.800 well,

00:11:20.980 you know,

00:11:21.160 I don't buy into this

00:11:22.060 and,

00:11:22.300 you know,

00:11:22.400 my land and my freedom

00:11:23.680 and don't tread on me

00:11:25.000 and all that.

00:11:25.480 And by the way,

00:11:26.020 I've even got the proof of it,

00:11:28.180 the don't tread on me mug here.

00:11:30.080 But this isn't just,

00:11:31.460 I keep like my headphones in it,

00:11:32.880 so I'm not actually like drinking coffee out of it

00:11:34.720 like a total badass.

00:11:36.080 But the whole point is that people are not just fighting

00:11:39.780 for their freedoms

00:11:40.500 because they're just these,

00:11:42.020 you know,

00:11:42.260 anti-government freemen on the land types.

00:11:44.060 You've got people from all over the spectrum,

00:11:46.660 including,

00:11:47.160 by the way,

00:11:47.680 traditionally liberal groups

00:11:49.300 like the Canadian Civil Liberties Association

00:11:51.780 that are saying,

00:11:53.100 hey,

00:11:53.200 we don't suspend the rule of law

00:11:55.380 just because there's a pandemic.

00:11:57.420 Yes,

00:11:57.720 emergency orders give the government

00:11:59.300 a bit more of an ability to do things,

00:12:02.280 but at the same time,

00:12:03.360 we still have freedoms,

00:12:04.600 we still have a constitution.

00:12:06.440 And I wouldn't be surprised

00:12:07.860 if a vast majority of these tickets

00:12:10.520 were to get thrown out

00:12:12.660 the second people have a court to go to

00:12:15.080 to fight them.

00:12:16.080 I can't say for certain,

00:12:17.980 but one point that I would argue,

00:12:19.960 and Michael Bryant actually mentioned this

00:12:21.780 in one article,

00:12:22.980 is that $880 is a grocery bill

00:12:25.960 for a family of four for a month.

00:12:27.980 So when a family is getting ticketed

00:12:30.180 for going outside and rollerblading,

00:12:32.960 that ticket is money that they need

00:12:36.000 that the government is saying,

00:12:37.420 no, no, no,

00:12:37.740 it's more important to us.

00:12:39.220 And when the family has done nothing

00:12:41.040 but, hey,

00:12:41.940 we wanted to get outside,

00:12:44.400 who's to say they're wrong?

00:12:45.580 Why on earth would you target them?

00:12:48.240 And by the way,

00:12:48.980 I'm a bit spoiled

00:12:49.860 because I live in a suburban community.

00:12:51.620 I live in London

00:12:52.380 where land is accessible to people.

00:12:54.340 And if you live out west,

00:12:55.600 if you live in Alberta,

00:12:56.500 if you live in Saskatchewan,

00:12:58.100 you can just walk for days

00:12:59.620 and days and days

00:13:00.460 without bumping into someone else conceivably.

00:13:03.040 There are a lot of people in Toronto,

00:13:05.740 in Vancouver and Montreal

00:13:06.940 and looking outside of Canada,

00:13:08.520 people in New York

00:13:09.460 and all of these other places

00:13:11.260 that are really densely populated,

00:13:13.340 that their idea of quarantine

00:13:15.240 looks a lot different

00:13:16.680 than yours or mine does,

00:13:18.920 where they're cooped up

00:13:19.860 in a 300 square foot apartment

00:13:21.760 because that's what they can afford.

00:13:23.000 And the only way they can get away from that

00:13:25.640 is by going outside,

00:13:27.320 going to a park,

00:13:28.220 going to an empty parking lot.

00:13:30.540 So for all of these people,

00:13:32.360 especially in cities,

00:13:34.180 I have a lot of sympathy for them saying,

00:13:36.920 hey, you know what?

00:13:37.800 I'm going to go and rollerblade

00:13:38.920 and I'm going to use this empty parking lot.

00:13:40.760 And who gives a hoot if it's closed?

00:13:43.520 If it's closed and it's empty,

00:13:45.440 then that defeats the purpose

00:13:47.040 of going after people

00:13:48.800 for being at something

00:13:49.940 that's so packed and densely populated

00:13:51.800 like they're at some big giant party.

00:13:53.440 If it's empty,

00:13:54.380 that's the point of it.

00:13:55.600 You are socially distancing.

00:13:57.700 You are socially distancing.

00:13:59.300 So why do we keep going after people

00:14:02.340 who are respecting

00:14:03.840 the spirit of public health,

00:14:05.760 the spirit of the law,

00:14:07.940 and people who,

00:14:09.040 again,

00:14:09.320 I know I've said it before,

00:14:10.460 but I'll say it again,

00:14:11.360 are put in more in harm's way

00:14:13.480 by a police or bylaw officer

00:14:15.620 coming up to them

00:14:16.640 and breaking that bubble

00:14:18.060 than they are

00:14:19.040 by just being left alone,

00:14:20.620 which is what all of us

00:14:21.680 as free people

00:14:22.440 should be getting right now

00:14:23.920 if we're not causing harm

00:14:25.060 to anyone else.

00:14:26.080 When we come back,

00:14:26.860 more of The Andrew Lawton Show

00:14:28.120 here on True North.

00:14:28.880 You're tuned in

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00:14:35.460 Let's take a look at things

00:14:36.460 that are happening globally

00:14:37.480 right now.

00:14:38.280 I have no inside knowledge.

00:14:40.060 The most in-depth look

00:14:41.460 I've ever had at North Korea 0.96

00:14:42.820 was that movie,

00:14:43.600 The Interview with James Franco

00:14:44.920 and Seth Rogen.

00:14:45.940 Very good movie, by the way.

00:14:47.000 I recall watching it

00:14:47.800 on Christmas Day

00:14:48.800 when that whole weird,

00:14:50.520 you know,

00:14:51.340 theater band thing

00:14:52.560 was happening

00:14:53.120 a couple of years back.

00:14:54.740 Kim Jong-un

00:14:55.440 may or may not be dead.

00:14:57.400 He may or may not

00:14:58.460 be in a vegetative state.

00:14:59.880 He may or may not

00:15:01.020 be holed away at a resort.

00:15:02.460 He may or may not

00:15:03.580 be in quarantine.

00:15:04.820 No one knows anything

00:15:06.680 about North Korea.

00:15:07.820 That's the whole point

00:15:08.660 of North Korea.

00:15:09.800 This is a place

00:15:11.020 where the birth,

00:15:12.620 the grandfather

00:15:13.640 of the country,

00:15:14.840 Kim Il-sung,

00:15:15.980 his birth was foretold

00:15:17.860 by the swallows,

00:15:19.360 which if you know

00:15:20.860 what that means,

00:15:21.740 I want to talk to you

00:15:22.800 because I'm having trouble

00:15:23.760 deciphering the fortune cookies.

00:15:25.260 But Kim Il-sung

00:15:26.300 was born on a mountaintop

00:15:27.600 and his birth

00:15:28.140 was foretold

00:15:28.820 by the swallows.

00:15:30.020 And that is like

00:15:30.740 the official government

00:15:31.700 line on it.

00:15:32.580 So you don't really trust

00:15:34.340 anything that comes out

00:15:35.420 of North Korea.

00:15:36.340 Even the media

00:15:37.360 in North Korea

00:15:38.260 that are foreign media

00:15:39.440 are under the thumb

00:15:40.800 of the North Korean regime.

00:15:42.700 So I'm not saying

00:15:43.680 he's not sick

00:15:44.600 or even dead,

00:15:45.840 but I'm saying

00:15:46.720 that you shouldn't

00:15:47.440 get too excited

00:15:48.280 if that's what

00:15:48.820 you're hoping for.

00:15:49.840 Although the reports

00:15:50.820 that come out

00:15:51.360 are actually kind of interesting.

00:15:52.800 This particular one

00:15:53.740 was funny.

00:15:54.920 From Business Today,

00:15:56.200 Kim Jong-un's doctor

00:15:57.220 botched heart surgery

00:15:58.480 as his hands were shaking,

00:16:00.100 claims a report.

00:16:01.380 Now this is from

00:16:02.180 the Daily Mirror,

00:16:03.280 a report that

00:16:04.500 Kim Jong-un,

00:16:05.660 who hadn't been seen

00:16:07.000 in nearly two weeks,

00:16:08.820 which is a bit of a rarity,

00:16:10.580 was absent

00:16:11.360 from a big national holiday.

00:16:13.040 So that's why

00:16:13.540 everyone was thinking

00:16:14.200 that he's in ill health.

00:16:15.640 We had earlier

00:16:16.620 three anonymous sources

00:16:17.820 tell Reuters

00:16:18.680 that a team

00:16:19.580 had been dispatched

00:16:20.400 from China

00:16:20.980 to help

00:16:22.340 recover him

00:16:23.580 or repair him

00:16:24.400 from some botched

00:16:25.200 heart surgery.

00:16:26.260 But now

00:16:26.820 a Japanese magazine

00:16:27.940 has said

00:16:28.580 that the doctor's

00:16:30.320 hands were shaking

00:16:31.600 and that is why

00:16:33.120 the heart surgery

00:16:34.000 went the wrong way.

00:16:34.900 Now I imagine

00:16:35.480 if you are the heart surgeon

00:16:36.700 of Kim Jong-un

00:16:37.620 and you probably have

00:16:39.060 like 18 people

00:16:40.320 with guns behind you

00:16:41.320 as you do the surgery,

00:16:42.140 your hands might shake

00:16:42.960 a little bit.

00:16:43.520 But the problem is

00:16:44.760 because of that,

00:16:45.540 you're more likely

00:16:46.200 to get shot.

00:16:46.760 So I haven't yet

00:16:47.640 heard confirmation

00:16:48.440 on if the doctor

00:16:49.280 in this supposed scenario

00:16:51.100 survived or not.

00:16:52.820 I'd say probably not

00:16:53.860 from what we have

00:16:54.500 available to us.

00:16:56.320 This one though,

00:16:56.980 we can all relate

00:16:57.880 to North Korea.

00:16:59.160 Panic buying

00:16:59.920 grips North Korea

00:17:00.880 amid rumors

00:17:01.620 of Kim Jong-un's demise.

00:17:03.880 So according

00:17:04.420 to the Washington Post,

00:17:05.480 store shelves

00:17:06.040 in Pyongyang

00:17:06.700 have been cleared

00:17:07.320 out of everything

00:17:08.200 from liquor

00:17:09.220 to laundry detergent

00:17:10.540 to canned fish

00:17:11.600 to cigarettes.

00:17:12.600 Actually,

00:17:12.780 I think my grocery store

00:17:13.620 still had some canned fish

00:17:14.720 in stock.

00:17:15.840 Helicopters have been

00:17:16.560 flying low

00:17:17.180 over the capital.

00:17:18.280 Trains in North Korea

00:17:19.220 and Northern China

00:17:19.920 have been disrupted

00:17:20.660 and everyone,

00:17:21.980 because they are panicked

00:17:22.900 about what's happening

00:17:23.700 with Kim Jong-un,

00:17:25.000 is worrying

00:17:26.040 that they won't be able

00:17:27.080 to access

00:17:27.580 all of the things

00:17:28.520 they need

00:17:28.820 at the grocery store.

00:17:29.960 No word yet

00:17:30.760 on North Korea's

00:17:31.780 toilet paper stash

00:17:32.920 because that,

00:17:33.500 of course,

00:17:33.820 we learned in North America

00:17:35.400 was the first thing to go

00:17:36.860 when people started

00:17:37.620 panic buying.

00:17:38.960 But North Korea

00:17:39.960 is still just like us

00:17:41.980 except, you know,

00:17:42.620 without the freedom.

00:17:43.320 Although,

00:17:43.640 I don't know,

00:17:45.420 given the first segment

00:17:46.180 of the show,

00:17:46.660 you never know.

00:17:48.740 This one is funny.

00:17:49.880 So North Korea 0.85

00:17:50.420 has actually been

00:17:51.060 like the most successful

00:17:52.280 at dealing with coronavirus

00:17:54.700 because they had like

00:17:56.220 one case early on

00:17:57.460 and I think they just

00:17:58.100 shot the guy.

00:17:58.780 So the case went up

00:17:59.500 to one

00:17:59.940 and then back down

00:18:01.040 to zero.

00:18:01.560 And I think a few days later

00:18:02.540 it went to one

00:18:03.240 and then back down

00:18:03.920 to zero.

00:18:04.460 So not that I support

00:18:05.840 the North Korean approach,

00:18:06.840 but they've been

00:18:07.540 from the numbers alone

00:18:08.980 fairly effective

00:18:09.860 at dealing with it

00:18:12.280 because they are just

00:18:13.540 so barbaric

00:18:14.300 and brutal.

00:18:15.560 This story though

00:18:16.720 from The Guardian,

00:18:18.100 female leaders

00:18:19.180 more successful

00:18:20.560 at managing

00:18:21.300 the coronavirus crisis.

00:18:22.940 Now,

00:18:23.200 you can see

00:18:24.060 in the slug

00:18:25.040 the headline

00:18:25.700 of the article.

00:18:26.940 The initial title

00:18:27.900 was why do female leaders 1.00

00:18:29.580 seem to be more successful

00:18:31.080 at managing

00:18:31.700 the coronavirus crisis?

00:18:33.480 And then the headline

00:18:34.500 at some point

00:18:35.060 was changed

00:18:35.540 to are female leaders 0.71

00:18:36.920 more successful

00:18:37.720 at managing

00:18:38.900 the coronavirus crisis?

00:18:40.200 And then they go down

00:18:42.560 and they walk

00:18:43.500 through countries

00:18:44.140 that have had

00:18:44.640 apparently a good

00:18:45.560 response to this

00:18:46.420 such as New Zealand

00:18:47.680 whose prime minister

00:18:48.840 is Jacinda Ardern

00:18:50.180 to Germany

00:18:51.560 whose leader

00:18:52.160 of course

00:18:52.640 is Angela Merkel.

00:18:54.740 And what was interesting

00:18:55.680 though is that

00:18:56.180 they also go

00:18:57.440 to countries

00:18:58.660 where the leader

00:18:59.400 is not a woman 0.96

00:19:00.160 and find a woman

00:19:01.500 who was involved

00:19:02.340 in the public health

00:19:03.340 response

00:19:03.940 like in South Korea

00:19:04.920 which is why

00:19:06.020 I fear they would

00:19:06.840 probably do

00:19:07.980 a Canada thing

00:19:09.200 because if they would

00:19:10.460 and Canada's not

00:19:11.500 mentioned in the article

00:19:12.300 but if you take

00:19:12.960 this outlook

00:19:13.520 and Canada were

00:19:14.620 to do really well

00:19:15.320 they'd be like

00:19:15.700 oh yeah

00:19:16.000 I mean even though

00:19:16.520 Justin Trudeau

00:19:17.020 is the prime minister

00:19:17.600 their public health

00:19:18.320 officer is a woman

00:19:19.040 so Canada's

00:19:19.760 doing a great job

00:19:21.400 at managing things

00:19:22.920 and I find this

00:19:24.580 to be kind of hilarious

00:19:25.700 because identity politics

00:19:27.000 we thought was going

00:19:28.540 to kind of go away

00:19:29.760 in the midst

00:19:30.640 of a real crisis

00:19:31.540 we thought that people

00:19:32.400 were probably going

00:19:33.220 to focus more

00:19:33.900 on actual data

00:19:35.480 and actual science

00:19:36.640 but apparently

00:19:37.280 we've gone a little

00:19:38.280 bit too far on this

00:19:39.480 and now everyone's

00:19:40.640 missing the old

00:19:41.440 identity politics

00:19:42.680 everything's about

00:19:43.960 feminism

00:19:44.360 everything's about

00:19:45.020 racism

00:19:45.420 everything's about

00:19:46.140 equality

00:19:46.680 everything's about

00:19:47.320 diversity

00:19:47.880 and all of that

00:19:48.720 and now we have to

00:19:50.160 but I love the

00:19:51.560 sub-headline here

00:19:52.280 plenty of countries

00:19:53.040 with male leaders

00:19:53.900 have done well also

00:19:55.160 but few with female

00:19:56.900 leaders have done badly

00:19:58.540 and if you want

00:20:00.320 to look at results

00:20:01.000 I mean Angela Merkel

00:20:01.840 is a very successful

00:20:03.160 politician

00:20:03.740 she's been there

00:20:04.740 forever

00:20:05.160 she keeps coming

00:20:06.440 back and back

00:20:07.200 and back

00:20:07.680 and she is as far

00:20:09.400 as being a staple

00:20:10.760 in Germany

00:20:11.860 and in Europe

00:20:12.420 and internationally

00:20:13.100 she's done well

00:20:13.920 even if I disagree

00:20:14.860 with a lot of what

00:20:16.620 she's tried to do

00:20:17.500 and a lot of what

00:20:18.220 she has done there

00:20:19.040 but I would not

00:20:21.160 like to think

00:20:22.180 that anyone

00:20:23.200 should be making

00:20:23.980 the claim

00:20:24.560 that women 0.97

00:20:25.540 are better

00:20:26.260 at doing something

00:20:27.380 just because

00:20:28.060 they're women 1.00

00:20:28.560 in the same way

00:20:29.220 that no one

00:20:29.860 should be saying

00:20:30.540 about men

00:20:31.460 that men are better 0.87

00:20:32.300 at doing something

00:20:33.120 just because

00:20:34.060 they are men

00:20:35.040 so let's look

00:20:36.440 at some of the reasons

00:20:37.500 they say

00:20:38.080 for the why

00:20:39.320 so Kathleen Gerson

00:20:41.520 who's a professor

00:20:42.660 of sociology

00:20:43.260 at NYU

00:20:44.100 says women leaders

00:20:45.880 are more likely

00:20:46.840 to be elected

00:20:47.500 in a political culture

00:20:48.960 in which there's

00:20:49.720 a relative support

00:20:50.720 and trust in government

00:20:51.960 so if you trust government

00:20:53.540 you elect a woman 0.98

00:20:54.280 if you don't trust government

00:20:55.240 you elect a man 0.92

00:20:55.940 I don't know

00:20:56.360 what the takeaway

00:20:56.860 from that is

00:20:57.520 but that seems

00:20:58.420 to be the implication

00:20:59.240 but she says

00:21:00.820 it's harder for men

00:21:01.640 to escape

00:21:02.300 the way they are

00:21:03.460 expected to behave

00:21:04.700 as leaders

00:21:05.520 so Justin Trudeau

00:21:07.740 Donald Trump

00:21:08.720 Boris Johnson

00:21:09.720 Emmanuel Macron

00:21:10.720 they are all

00:21:11.940 apparently slaves 0.89

00:21:13.200 to their sex

00:21:14.200 and they are expected

00:21:15.560 to behave a certain way

00:21:16.540 and they can't do

00:21:17.160 anything other than that

00:21:18.080 that's the takeaway here

00:21:19.480 so it's interesting though

00:21:21.140 because when they say

00:21:21.800 that yeah men

00:21:22.300 can do it as well

00:21:23.060 but women 1.00

00:21:23.520 I mean they're

00:21:23.960 they're doing exceptional

00:21:25.140 no one can say why

00:21:27.840 I mean apart

00:21:28.920 from that little

00:21:30.000 sort of quality

00:21:31.380 that Kathleen Gerson

00:21:32.400 tried to pinpoint here

00:21:33.900 no one can actually say

00:21:35.520 why

00:21:35.720 now the theory

00:21:36.700 that I have here

00:21:37.540 and again

00:21:37.800 I don't know

00:21:38.400 if it's true

00:21:38.800 because unlike

00:21:39.620 the people

00:21:40.600 actually not unlike

00:21:41.480 like the people

00:21:42.220 that wrote this

00:21:42.780 I haven't actually

00:21:43.300 studied this

00:21:44.020 in any empirical way

00:21:45.020 I'm just kind of

00:21:46.080 riffing off

00:21:46.620 of the first thing

00:21:47.160 that comes to mind

00:21:47.900 but if they can do it

00:21:48.700 so can I

00:21:49.200 is that a lot

00:21:50.420 of the specific countries

00:21:51.840 that have female leaders 1.00

00:21:53.760 are countries

00:21:54.560 that are a lot more

00:21:55.680 and I'm not saying

00:21:56.900 because they have

00:21:57.560 female leaders

00:21:58.140 I'm just talking

00:21:58.640 about those countries

00:21:59.380 specifically

00:22:00.300 like Iceland

00:22:01.860 like Germany

00:22:03.280 they're countries

00:22:04.280 that seem to have

00:22:05.400 a lot more

00:22:06.260 of an ingrained

00:22:07.020 welfare state mentality

00:22:08.420 anyway

00:22:08.820 and I don't think

00:22:09.300 that's related to them

00:22:10.240 having a female leader

00:22:11.440 it may or may not be

00:22:12.280 they're countries

00:22:13.520 where the government

00:22:14.120 is a lot more centralized

00:22:15.200 so that may impact

00:22:16.820 the way people vote

00:22:17.720 or the type of politicians

00:22:18.880 that it attracts

00:22:19.720 from whichever parties

00:22:20.780 and whatever

00:22:21.220 but those countries

00:22:23.540 were the ones

00:22:24.120 that didn't have

00:22:24.840 to discuss

00:22:25.540 and debate

00:22:26.160 whether we immediately

00:22:27.560 spend billions of dollars

00:22:28.800 whether we immediately

00:22:29.580 shut down

00:22:30.360 social infrastructure

00:22:31.700 economic infrastructure

00:22:32.920 and I'm not sure

00:22:34.700 that that's necessarily

00:22:35.940 indicative of success

00:22:37.660 because it doesn't look here

00:22:39.300 like they're actually

00:22:40.260 going based on case numbers

00:22:42.160 I mean in the case

00:22:42.860 of New Zealand

00:22:43.740 they're talking about

00:22:45.220 the fact that

00:22:46.000 a 14-day quarantine

00:22:47.120 was implemented

00:22:47.880 on March 14th

00:22:49.040 with fewer than

00:22:50.240 150 people

00:22:51.280 having been affected

00:22:52.300 and none having died

00:22:53.340 so that's great policy

00:22:55.000 and I think New Zealand's

00:22:55.960 Prime Minister

00:22:56.420 who I disagree with

00:22:57.420 on a lot

00:22:57.820 did the right thing

00:22:58.700 there

00:22:58.920 it's also a lot easier

00:23:00.620 for a literal island

00:23:02.120 to shut it down

00:23:03.560 than it is for Germany

00:23:05.100 which I don't think

00:23:06.240 it's safe to say

00:23:07.040 did have the success

00:23:08.180 that this article

00:23:09.900 is claiming

00:23:10.700 because in Germany

00:23:11.720 they've had

00:23:12.360 almost 5,000 deaths

00:23:13.780 and even though

00:23:14.180 that's a bit better

00:23:14.840 than some other

00:23:15.460 European countries

00:23:16.380 you look at the fact

00:23:17.200 that Germany

00:23:17.760 has not escaped

00:23:19.060 this unscathed

00:23:20.020 and Germany

00:23:20.920 by the way

00:23:21.560 is a country

00:23:22.380 that at the best of times

00:23:23.460 does not care

00:23:24.540 about protecting

00:23:25.460 its borders

00:23:26.080 so I don't think

00:23:27.160 you can hold up

00:23:27.840 all of these things

00:23:28.580 as success stories

00:23:29.560 just because

00:23:30.300 but certainly

00:23:31.500 the identity politics

00:23:32.960 mentality here

00:23:33.980 of let's say

00:23:35.280 that these people

00:23:35.880 are better than

00:23:36.380 these people

00:23:36.800 just because they're women 1.00

00:23:37.620 is I think wrong-headed

00:23:39.360 and I think most of the people

00:23:40.620 who are female heads of state

00:23:42.020 and heads of government

00:23:42.780 would probably be offended

00:23:44.180 by this

00:23:44.680 basically chalking up

00:23:46.040 their success

00:23:46.600 just to their sex

00:23:47.680 instead of to

00:23:49.140 decisions they've made

00:23:50.540 and in the case

00:23:51.160 of New Zealand

00:23:51.840 shutting down its border

00:23:52.820 I don't think

00:23:53.620 that has anything

00:23:54.180 to do with

00:23:55.060 Prime Minister

00:23:55.680 Jacinda Ardern

00:23:56.420 being a woman

00:23:57.100 and everything to do

00:23:58.240 with her doing

00:23:59.060 what made the most sense

00:24:00.540 and I don't think

00:24:01.400 that we can say

00:24:02.280 that men or women

00:24:03.480 are either

00:24:04.680 more or less

00:24:06.300 logical

00:24:06.980 when it comes

00:24:07.560 to these sorts of things

00:24:08.440 I think that

00:24:09.100 individual people

00:24:09.840 can be logical

00:24:10.580 and illogical

00:24:11.360 and that's that

00:24:12.800 I want to talk

00:24:14.460 about the World Health

00:24:15.320 Organization again

00:24:16.240 because this whole thing

00:24:17.220 has become

00:24:18.080 a complete sham

00:24:19.240 of an organization

00:24:20.060 as you know

00:24:20.820 Reason.com

00:24:22.360 Robbie Soove

00:24:23.120 has a great piece here

00:24:24.480 the WHO

00:24:26.020 pushed a tweet out

00:24:28.040 spreading paranoia

00:24:29.340 about reinfection

00:24:30.640 and then had to delete it

00:24:32.420 even though other media outlets

00:24:33.840 had already cited it

00:24:34.900 and in this case

00:24:36.900 it was on Friday

00:24:37.760 when the World Health Organization

00:24:39.420 published a brief

00:24:40.360 on so-called

00:24:41.600 immunity passports

00:24:42.880 the idea that governments

00:24:43.900 could grant

00:24:44.540 special documents

00:24:45.820 to citizens

00:24:46.420 who test positive

00:24:47.320 for COVID-19 antibodies

00:24:48.900 thus allowing them

00:24:50.300 to move freely

00:24:51.260 the WHO warned

00:24:53.100 that this is premature

00:24:54.020 because they said

00:24:54.900 quote

00:24:55.220 no study has evaluated

00:24:56.920 whether the presence

00:24:58.260 of antibodies

00:24:59.060 to SARS-CoV-2

00:25:00.740 confers immunity

00:25:02.000 to subsequent infection

00:25:03.660 by this virus

00:25:04.720 in humans

00:25:05.420 and in the tweet

00:25:06.680 version of it

00:25:07.700 they actually

00:25:08.700 didn't put that context

00:25:10.240 they just said

00:25:11.100 there is no evidence

00:25:12.380 that people

00:25:12.800 who have recovered

00:25:13.440 from COVID-19

00:25:14.300 and have antibodies

00:25:15.260 are protected

00:25:15.920 from a second infection

00:25:17.840 so they actually

00:25:19.060 put out paranoia

00:25:20.940 that you can see

00:25:22.040 other articles

00:25:22.960 picked up

00:25:23.540 for example

00:25:24.240 a CNN piece here

00:25:25.840 WHO says

00:25:26.820 no evidence shows

00:25:27.760 that having coronavirus

00:25:28.660 prevents a second infection

00:25:30.800 a Bloomberg story

00:25:32.160 that said

00:25:32.500 catching COVID-19 once

00:25:34.140 may not protect you

00:25:35.200 from getting it again

00:25:36.060 according to the

00:25:37.100 World Health Organization

00:25:38.220 a finding that

00:25:39.260 could jeopardize efforts

00:25:40.380 to allow people

00:25:41.160 to return to work

00:25:42.160 after recovering

00:25:43.160 from the virus

00:25:43.820 so you can see

00:25:44.600 lots of mainstream

00:25:45.420 media articles

00:25:46.160 that all pick up

00:25:46.960 on that idea

00:25:47.600 when that was actually

00:25:48.940 the disclaimer

00:25:49.840 to their main message

00:25:51.220 not the main message itself

00:25:53.660 so they deleted this

00:25:56.180 they had no finding

00:25:58.320 to speak of

00:25:59.220 Robbie Suave points out

00:26:00.560 just an absence

00:26:01.400 of definitive proof

00:26:02.440 and then they put up this

00:26:03.880 earlier today

00:26:04.660 we tweeted

00:26:05.180 a new WHO

00:26:06.180 scientific brief

00:26:07.200 on immunity passports

00:26:08.740 the thread

00:26:09.300 caused some concern

00:26:10.360 and we would like

00:26:11.420 to clarify

00:26:11.960 we expect

00:26:13.080 that most people

00:26:13.920 who are infected

00:26:14.700 with COVID-19

00:26:15.680 will develop

00:26:16.500 an antibody response

00:26:17.940 that will provide

00:26:18.660 some level of protection

00:26:20.200 so they've gone

00:26:21.220 from it provides

00:26:21.920 no protection

00:26:22.620 to we expect

00:26:23.520 it will provide

00:26:24.220 protection

00:26:24.800 to which I say

00:26:25.820 why are we looking

00:26:26.760 at these people

00:26:27.600 as being the so-called

00:26:28.580 grown-ups in the room

00:26:29.720 the people that are

00:26:30.760 supposed to be in charge

00:26:32.000 leading us

00:26:32.680 steering the ship

00:26:33.500 the steady hands

00:26:34.680 in this

00:26:34.960 why are we looking

00:26:36.040 to them

00:26:36.520 when they can't even

00:26:37.320 get their own

00:26:38.200 science straight

00:26:39.500 and they're more

00:26:40.980 focused on

00:26:41.620 let's just keep

00:26:42.520 sending out these tweets

00:26:43.520 and messages

00:26:44.120 and stuff

00:26:44.620 and not actually

00:26:46.000 worry about

00:26:47.080 our response

00:26:48.000 and our malignant

00:26:48.980 presence

00:26:49.460 and our capitulation

00:26:51.020 to China

00:26:51.620 and our non-doctor

00:26:53.160 director general

00:26:54.240 Tedros Adhanom

00:26:55.240 and WHO

00:26:56.720 is the one

00:26:57.920 that we are all

00:26:59.160 supposed to look up

00:27:00.080 to and respect

00:27:00.660 and look

00:27:01.300 mistakes are made

00:27:02.320 I get it

00:27:02.980 people can put out

00:27:04.340 sloppily worded tweets

00:27:05.680 I get that as well

00:27:06.780 but most of us

00:27:08.620 I think

00:27:09.240 if we're going to have

00:27:10.300 this centralized

00:27:11.080 supranational body

00:27:12.920 that serves as an authority

00:27:14.600 we should expect them

00:27:16.020 to have their stuff

00:27:16.900 together a lot more

00:27:18.260 than the WHO

00:27:19.120 has proved

00:27:20.380 we'll be back

00:27:21.080 in just a moment

00:27:21.640 with more of

00:27:22.280 The Andrew Lawton Show

00:27:23.060 stay tuned

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00:27:27.960 I'm generally reticent

00:27:31.700 to make predictions

00:27:32.520 for two reasons

00:27:33.340 number one

00:27:33.800 I don't want to look

00:27:34.300 like a fool

00:27:34.780 if they don't come to pass

00:27:35.860 but I also think

00:27:37.060 that they're generally

00:27:37.960 imprudent

00:27:38.500 I like to look

00:27:39.300 at all the options

00:27:40.040 and all the possible scenarios

00:27:41.380 and go from there

00:27:42.560 and last week

00:27:44.100 on the show

00:27:44.720 I was talking about

00:27:46.040 whether or not

00:27:47.240 the Nova Scotia killer

00:27:48.520 Gabriel Wartman

00:27:49.560 had a firearms license

00:27:51.840 and at the time

00:27:52.520 we didn't know

00:27:53.180 and what happened

00:27:54.520 when I recorded the show

00:27:55.480 I think it was

00:27:55.840 Wednesday morning

00:27:56.580 or Wednesday midday

00:27:57.680 we didn't know

00:27:58.940 but we did know

00:27:59.820 that the federal government

00:28:00.840 had already started

00:28:01.620 to talk about

00:28:02.320 the Nova Scotia killing

00:28:03.460 a little over a week ago

00:28:05.040 as being indicative

00:28:06.060 of the need

00:28:06.740 for more gun control 0.55

00:28:07.980 and a reminder

00:28:08.980 of why we need to ban

00:28:10.180 what the government calls

00:28:11.280 assault weapons

00:28:12.200 and all that stuff

00:28:12.980 and I was talking about this

00:28:15.240 and I said listen

00:28:16.080 I mean right now

00:28:16.840 there's no evidence

00:28:17.880 one way or another

00:28:19.680 about whether the guy

00:28:20.460 had a firearms license

00:28:21.620 or not

00:28:21.980 the one thing we did know

00:28:23.020 is that years earlier

00:28:24.740 in his life

00:28:25.340 back in 2002

00:28:26.600 he had been given

00:28:27.900 a conditional discharge

00:28:29.040 for an assault charge

00:28:30.160 and one of the conditions

00:28:31.560 was that he was banned

00:28:32.700 from owning firearms

00:28:33.680 for nine months

00:28:34.440 that was what we knew

00:28:35.200 it wasn't a lifetime ban

00:28:36.740 and it wasn't something

00:28:37.620 that necessarily

00:28:38.580 was indicative of eligibility

00:28:40.600 or lack thereof

00:28:41.680 in 2020

00:28:42.460 however

00:28:43.480 we didn't know

00:28:44.740 one way or another

00:28:45.400 and I said

00:28:45.780 he was probably

00:28:47.080 not licensed

00:28:48.080 but I didn't know

00:28:50.040 and I didn't want

00:28:50.740 to say for sure

00:28:51.380 and then what was interesting

00:28:53.400 is a few hours later

00:28:55.120 just as the show

00:28:55.920 was coming out

00:28:56.560 we had RCMP

00:28:57.880 saying that they have

00:28:59.020 a good idea

00:28:59.920 that he was not licensed

00:29:02.900 that in a Canadian context

00:29:04.560 they couldn't see

00:29:05.260 any evidence

00:29:05.820 of a firearms license

00:29:06.900 they weren't sure

00:29:07.880 about if he had

00:29:08.600 a permit elsewhere

00:29:09.640 in the world

00:29:10.740 but in Canada

00:29:11.940 they said he didn't

00:29:12.820 and that was a big point

00:29:14.520 that I think

00:29:15.200 was a very important one

00:29:16.500 and undercut

00:29:17.900 the messaging

00:29:18.600 that Justin Trudeau

00:29:19.540 had already started

00:29:20.320 to put out

00:29:20.860 now even without knowing

00:29:23.680 it was irresponsible

00:29:24.960 for Justin Trudeau

00:29:26.120 and Bill Blair

00:29:26.660 to start talking

00:29:27.340 about gun control

00:29:28.120 for that exact reason

00:29:29.340 they didn't know

00:29:29.980 how can they say

00:29:31.100 that it's evidence

00:29:32.020 of the need

00:29:32.640 for more gun control 0.55

00:29:33.380 when they don't know

00:29:34.620 whether or not

00:29:35.180 he had a license

00:29:35.900 because if he has a license

00:29:37.360 it proves there might be

00:29:38.800 some gaps in the system

00:29:39.860 if he doesn't have one

00:29:41.240 it proves that the system

00:29:42.240 itself doesn't matter

00:29:43.500 but what happened

00:29:45.220 later on in the week

00:29:46.320 on Friday

00:29:47.000 we got information

00:29:49.000 that the guns

00:29:50.640 didn't even

00:29:51.500 for the most part

00:29:52.300 have Canadian origins

00:29:53.640 police gave another briefing

00:29:55.060 late last week

00:29:56.040 and they said

00:29:56.960 that one of the guns

00:29:57.940 that the killer used

00:29:59.100 could be traced back

00:29:59.980 to Canada

00:30:00.500 and the rest

00:30:02.100 and we don't know

00:30:02.620 how many or what types

00:30:03.840 had U.S. origins

00:30:05.520 predominantly

00:30:06.120 not all of them

00:30:06.960 but mostly U.S. origins

00:30:08.560 now this is so huge

00:30:10.920 because anytime we talk

00:30:12.700 about illegal guns

00:30:13.580 in Canada

00:30:14.140 we learn that the vast

00:30:16.200 majority of them

00:30:17.040 are stolen or smuggled

00:30:18.880 and it seems like

00:30:19.780 smuggling is more common

00:30:21.660 even than theft

00:30:22.980 from domestic sources

00:30:24.180 so for a guy

00:30:25.780 who embarks

00:30:26.860 on this rampage

00:30:27.980 this mass killing

00:30:28.920 claiming 22 lives

00:30:30.380 plus an unborn child

00:30:31.660 in there

00:30:31.940 so let's say 23 lives

00:30:33.260 just such a despicable

00:30:35.080 act of evil

00:30:35.820 the gun laws

00:30:37.480 didn't matter

00:30:38.360 gun control

00:30:39.140 didn't matter

00:30:39.800 and same as the laws

00:30:41.360 that prohibit you

00:30:42.060 from dressing up

00:30:42.980 in a police uniform

00:30:43.840 the laws that prohibit you

00:30:45.120 from putting police decals

00:30:46.360 on a car

00:30:47.300 and driving around

00:30:48.160 none of these laws

00:30:49.640 which exist

00:30:50.320 which are on the books

00:30:51.200 did anything to stop

00:30:52.620 someone from embarking

00:30:54.420 on what this man

00:30:56.000 embarked on

00:30:56.840 and I spoke last week

00:30:58.900 to Professor Jacqueline

00:31:00.160 Shieldkraut

00:31:00.700 who's a criminology

00:31:01.680 and criminal justice

00:31:02.640 professor from New York

00:31:04.120 and she had said

00:31:04.880 listen I mean

00:31:05.360 anytime someone

00:31:06.240 looks at gun control

00:31:07.960 as being a panacea

00:31:09.260 they're missing the mark

00:31:10.200 and I thought she

00:31:11.140 extrapolated very well

00:31:12.760 on that

00:31:13.140 she said

00:31:13.560 whenever a mass shooting

00:31:14.900 happens

00:31:15.380 a whole bunch of things

00:31:16.540 have converged

00:31:17.340 on one point

00:31:18.300 on one person

00:31:19.500 at one time

00:31:20.360 and it's gun access

00:31:22.820 it's motivation

00:31:24.040 it's life

00:31:24.880 it's mental health

00:31:26.660 infrastructure

00:31:27.220 and there are

00:31:27.780 a whole bunch

00:31:28.180 of different things

00:31:28.820 that have all gone

00:31:29.980 to one particular point

00:31:31.520 and that's what happens

00:31:32.420 and if you take out

00:31:33.360 one of those variables

00:31:34.440 you're not actually

00:31:35.260 solving any problems

00:31:36.420 it may feel good

00:31:37.300 it may feel like

00:31:38.540 you're solving a problem

00:31:39.440 but you're not actually

00:31:40.640 doing anything substantive

00:31:42.060 that is going to

00:31:42.920 save lives

00:31:43.980 in the long run

00:31:45.060 so Justin Trudeau

00:31:46.800 Bill Blair

00:31:47.180 yeah they were already

00:31:48.120 committed to gun control

00:31:49.260 they were already committed

00:31:50.180 to cracking down

00:31:51.680 on firearms

00:31:52.320 that are actually

00:31:52.900 not even used

00:31:53.740 in killings in Canada

00:31:55.280 that do take place

00:31:56.220 the vast majority

00:31:57.540 of gun crime

00:31:58.220 is gang related

00:31:59.140 and using illegal handguns

00:32:01.060 they're going after

00:32:02.060 these so-called

00:32:02.840 assault weapons

00:32:03.760 which they haven't

00:32:04.460 even defined

00:32:05.180 but to use

00:32:07.720 this killing

00:32:08.720 to use these lives

00:32:10.720 that were lost

00:32:11.520 as justification

00:32:12.720 just doesn't align

00:32:14.880 with the facts

00:32:15.680 of the story

00:32:16.320 it just doesn't

00:32:17.240 and I said

00:32:19.220 last week

00:32:19.960 and it bears repeating

00:32:20.800 that this is not

00:32:21.880 a discussion

00:32:22.400 I want to be having

00:32:23.120 I don't want to be

00:32:24.100 talking about gun control

00:32:25.300 and gun rights

00:32:26.340 I would much rather

00:32:27.260 look to the victims

00:32:28.060 and say let's honor

00:32:29.200 their lives

00:32:29.800 and honor their memories

00:32:30.640 but people like me

00:32:32.840 who are supporters

00:32:33.760 of gun rights

00:32:34.740 have no choice

00:32:36.280 when the gun control

00:32:38.120 people start

00:32:39.120 politicizing tragedy

00:32:40.700 moments after

00:32:42.380 tragedy happens

00:32:43.600 because we can't

00:32:45.400 just shut up

00:32:46.060 and say all right

00:32:46.520 well we're not going

00:32:47.120 to defend gun ownership

00:32:48.460 because it's in poor

00:32:49.680 taste right now

00:32:50.340 no I think you have

00:32:51.320 to defend it

00:32:51.940 but point out

00:32:52.520 how in poor taste

00:32:53.540 the people that are

00:32:54.540 calling for

00:32:55.440 disarming

00:32:56.360 law-abiding gun owners

00:32:58.040 are you have to

00:32:58.620 call out how callous

00:32:59.720 their political

00:33:00.680 response to this is

00:33:01.920 so the RCMP

00:33:04.000 it took them a little

00:33:04.980 while I think

00:33:05.700 too long

00:33:06.240 to say whether

00:33:07.440 or not he had

00:33:08.240 a gun license

00:33:08.920 but then they did

00:33:10.000 and it wasn't even

00:33:10.860 in the main statement

00:33:11.620 it was when someone

00:33:12.240 asked a question

00:33:13.080 initially they weren't

00:33:14.300 responding

00:33:14.800 and then it was a

00:33:15.420 reporter that pushed 0.97

00:33:16.200 a bit further

00:33:16.760 on Wednesday

00:33:17.760 and said okay look

00:33:18.620 I'm just

00:33:19.160 like there's no trial

00:33:20.780 here you don't need

00:33:21.440 to hold back

00:33:22.040 any details

00:33:22.700 for a court case

00:33:24.220 so just tell us

00:33:24.940 did he or did he

00:33:25.520 not have a license

00:33:26.280 and the RCMP

00:33:27.640 superintendent at the

00:33:29.060 time was like

00:33:29.920 he was a bit

00:33:30.980 waffling on it

00:33:31.900 and then he just

00:33:32.420 said yeah we

00:33:33.000 believe and we

00:33:34.300 have a good idea

00:33:34.980 that he didn't

00:33:35.680 have a gun license

00:33:36.760 and then when the

00:33:38.240 RCMP gave the

00:33:39.820 walkthrough on the

00:33:40.960 timeline of what

00:33:42.600 happened when things

00:33:43.640 happened the

00:33:44.140 different crime

00:33:44.740 scenes they were

00:33:46.020 able to give a bit

00:33:46.760 more clarity and say

00:33:47.700 that there were

00:33:48.120 multiple guns

00:33:48.880 it's unclear how

00:33:50.440 many handguns

00:33:51.340 so at one point

00:33:52.420 they said a pistol

00:33:53.360 and at other

00:33:54.360 points they said

00:33:55.040 pistols so we

00:33:56.440 don't quite know

00:33:57.600 the volume and I

00:33:58.640 reached out to the

00:33:59.460 RCMP for clarification

00:34:00.640 and didn't hear back

00:34:01.880 so I won't commit

00:34:03.060 one way or another

00:34:03.720 but still multiple

00:34:04.600 guns that were

00:34:05.800 illegal to be

00:34:06.780 owned were

00:34:07.540 unregistered were

00:34:08.640 unlicensed by an

00:34:09.620 unlicensed killer

00:34:10.420 whether we can do

00:34:12.380 something to protect

00:34:13.120 the border against

00:34:14.000 this I think is an

00:34:15.140 important question

00:34:15.940 but it proves that

00:34:17.080 the answer is not

00:34:18.020 going to come from 0.87

00:34:18.880 reclassifying firearms

00:34:20.480 as prohibited

00:34:21.140 it's not going to

00:34:22.280 come from restricting

00:34:23.080 law abiding gun

00:34:23.940 owners it's not

00:34:24.660 going to come from 0.87

00:34:25.200 changing even storage

00:34:26.620 regulations because

00:34:27.580 these are guns that

00:34:28.380 were smuggled

00:34:29.020 illegally from

00:34:30.380 Canada or from

00:34:31.720 the US to

00:34:32.440 Canada and even

00:34:34.120 if you want to

00:34:34.960 blame the US for 0.58

00:34:36.100 this and blame US

00:34:37.140 gun laws and gun

00:34:38.140 access which fine

00:34:39.060 that's a discussion

00:34:39.780 if you want to have

00:34:40.420 it go have it but 0.98

00:34:41.560 that has nothing to

00:34:42.560 do with Canada

00:34:43.240 because we as a

00:34:44.440 country cannot

00:34:45.100 control other

00:34:46.080 countries firearms

00:34:47.080 laws nor should

00:34:47.840 we so if we have

00:34:49.940 an issue with the

00:34:51.080 US and how easy it

00:34:52.160 is to get a gun in

00:34:52.860 the US that says

00:34:54.080 hey we should

00:34:54.640 probably take our

00:34:55.360 border a lot more

00:34:56.180 seriously than we

00:34:56.980 take our border the

00:34:58.440 answer to another

00:34:59.620 country's gun laws

00:35:00.900 that you don't like

00:35:01.720 is to start taking

00:35:03.200 your border and

00:35:04.160 your border control

00:35:04.980 more seriously

00:35:05.760 knowing that someone

00:35:07.100 could hey smuggle

00:35:08.100 guns in legally or

00:35:09.880 illegally legally if

00:35:11.020 they have legally if

00:35:12.180 it's not smuggling

00:35:12.700 because if they have a

00:35:13.620 license in Canada and

00:35:15.120 you're able to it's

00:35:15.840 very difficult for most

00:35:16.720 Canadians to buy a

00:35:17.600 gun in the US but

00:35:18.420 if you are able to

00:35:19.520 and you have the

00:35:20.480 appropriate license in

00:35:21.500 Canada yes you can

00:35:22.560 import them but you

00:35:24.240 also have to get

00:35:24.780 export permits from

00:35:25.660 the US so if someone

00:35:27.320 brings a gun from the

00:35:28.260 US to Canada there are

00:35:29.660 a lot of things that

00:35:30.480 have to happen in the

00:35:31.460 vast majority of cases

00:35:32.560 it's being done

00:35:33.440 illegally so for the

00:35:35.980 Nova Scotia killing

00:35:36.980 the reason I'm talking

00:35:38.040 about this is because

00:35:39.000 Trudeau is using this

00:35:40.560 as an example and I

00:35:42.000 think a lot of people

00:35:42.900 in the media and a lot

00:35:44.020 of people in Canada are

00:35:44.980 probably going to buy

00:35:45.840 into it

00:35:46.440 as why gun control

00:35:48.460 matters more than

00:35:49.960 ever and why it's

00:35:50.880 needed to be

00:35:51.620 restricted when if

00:35:52.840 you look at the

00:35:53.320 facts of this it

00:35:54.160 actually matters even

00:35:55.940 less than it did

00:35:57.500 before because this

00:35:58.420 is probably and I

00:36:00.340 hate to say this

00:36:01.420 because again it

00:36:02.200 sickens me that this

00:36:03.420 has to become a

00:36:04.120 political discussion

00:36:04.900 now but this case is

00:36:06.760 everything that gun

00:36:08.760 rights advocates have

00:36:10.180 been talking about

00:36:11.040 whenever the topic

00:36:12.180 comes up which is

00:36:12.940 that criminals don't

00:36:14.600 care criminals don't

00:36:16.100 care and it shouldn't

00:36:16.800 need to be stated

00:36:17.820 because criminals are

00:36:19.000 already playing fast and

00:36:19.920 loose with the law

00:36:20.860 because they're

00:36:21.320 ignoring it so why

00:36:22.380 would a regulation

00:36:23.380 help them it doesn't

00:36:24.620 prevent access it

00:36:25.600 doesn't prevent

00:36:26.180 possession and it

00:36:27.300 certainly doesn't

00:36:28.000 prevent people from

00:36:28.740 opening fire on

00:36:30.080 innocent people as

00:36:31.240 they did in this case

00:36:32.080 and as they've done in

00:36:32.960 countless other cases

00:36:33.980 so if you think gun

00:36:36.160 control is the answer

00:36:37.160 here you are sorely

00:36:38.560 misguided and if you

00:36:39.540 think that now is the

00:36:40.380 time to be talking

00:36:41.140 about gun control you

00:36:42.520 need to look in the

00:36:43.160 mirror and ask yourself

00:36:44.060 why you are being so

00:36:45.160 insensitive to capture

00:36:47.480 and basically hijack

00:36:51.160 to hijack a case that

00:36:53.280 has nothing to do with

00:36:54.180 guns and make it about 0.92

00:36:55.080 your political agenda

00:36:56.200 we've got to wrap

00:36:57.240 things up my thanks to

00:36:58.420 all who listened to the

00:36:59.520 show wrote in we'll

00:37:00.300 talk to you in just a

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Juno News - April 27, 2020

Criminalizing Churchgoers and Legislating Gun Owners

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