Juno News - September 30, 2025


Crisis? What Crisis?


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Brian Lilly joins the show to talk about what he's been up to in recent days, including his new website, BrianLilly.ca, where he's doing some great work on Substack's new book, False Starts.

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00:00:00.000 Hi, Juno News. Welcome back to another episode of Not Sorry. I'm Alexander Brown. I'm director
00:00:08.060 of the National Citizens Coalition. I'm a writer, campaigner, a columnist. Thrilled
00:00:13.040 to have you here. And while you are here, I want you to take advantage of our subscription
00:00:17.480 discount. If you click right here, that's junonews.com slash not sorry for 20% off.
00:00:24.400 And Brian Lilly joins the show today. Great guest, big fan of his work. He's a terrific
00:00:30.120 columnist. He's got a new website, brianlilly.com, where he's doing some great work on Substack.
00:00:35.960 We have a lot to talk about because these false starts, these failures to launch, they are mounting
00:00:40.960 for the federal government. We've heard all this wonderful talk that things are getting better.
00:00:46.100 But if you're like me, if you follow the work here on Juno News, if you're up to date,
00:00:51.980 if you see the trend lines going in this direction, you know that things aren't getting
00:00:56.480 a whole lot better. The prime minister is back overseas right now, meeting with ostensibly
00:01:02.600 his left-wing pals. And our press is asking him, just what exactly are you accomplishing
00:01:09.120 right now at this moment of multiple domestic crises? And I want you to listen to whatever
00:01:16.820 this word salad response is.
00:01:18.760 You've mentioned both in New York and London in recent days, you've been meeting with lots
00:01:22.760 of business leaders and CEOs. For the most part, we don't know who those people are. Can
00:01:25.660 you tell us who those people are? And will you commit that your office share who you meet
00:01:29.460 with at a business level like this?
00:01:30.720 Yeah, I think we'll, we share broad, it's a good question. I actually don't know what we
00:01:39.380 share to be honest. I mean, how's that for an honest answer? And...
00:01:43.720 Can you tell us a few people you've met?
00:01:45.720 I met with, we met today with a number of infrastructure, basically infrastructure type
00:01:52.520 investors.
00:01:52.720 I know how I sound when I'm lying, or when I'm spinning, or when I'm stalling for time
00:01:59.060 and grasping at straws and looking for the exits. And it's a lot like that. And this is a moment
00:02:05.180 where key immigration issues persist, where key crime and chaos issues persist, where inflation
00:02:13.320 is rampant, unemployment. The Canadian voter is, some of them are realizing evidently by the
00:02:21.200 polls where the conservatives are now leading and Angus Reid are realizing that, you know,
00:02:25.180 once elbows up recedes this, this percentage of, of the population who maybe fell for the,
00:02:30.820 the, the very worst of it. And, and some of the unhelpful rhetoric that we're still left
00:02:35.340 with all these issues and that these issues should have been, you know, top of mind the
00:02:40.520 whole time. They, they, they never should have, our domestic self-inflicted liberal crises should
00:02:46.900 have always stayed at the tippity top of, of concerns and concerns so big that we have a
00:02:55.560 interim parliamentary budget officer making an unprecedented statement last week, raising
00:03:03.080 the alarm on like I've ever seen. When we talked to Brian Lilly, I know that he's mentioned that
00:03:07.700 he's never seen language like this. He's sounding the alarm, not just by saying, you know,
00:03:12.820 this is unsustainable. He's saying this is stupefying. He's saying our deficit, if we don't
00:03:18.400 get it in control, this is over. I've never seen language like that. If, if, you know,
00:03:24.640 an esteemed professional is being that hyperbolic, that tells you that it's, you know, kind of a big
00:03:30.540 issue. And so take a look at this clip.
00:03:33.600 How alarming is that for, for the average Canadian, for the taxpayer, because there is only one taxpayer,
00:03:37.720 right? It should be very alarming, right? The, these are, I don't know, I think I used the words in
00:03:44.700 French and which the translators probably got really well, like stupefying, shocking, right? 0.72
00:03:51.500 This is not, it's not a, it's, it's not, it's not a, it's not a funny fiscal outlook. It's, it's a really
00:04:01.580 serious fiscal outlook. It's, and we don't lightly use the word unsustainable, right? Unsustainable
00:04:10.540 means you don't have the option of saying, maybe I'll wait a couple of years. I'll see how things
00:04:17.280 go. It means if you don't change, this is done.
00:04:21.800 If you don't change, this is done. And I think we, we all feel that if you're a part of this
00:04:29.020 audience, you know how difficult things are out there right now. You know how much we've seemingly
00:04:33.920 lost as a country and need to get back. So join Brian and I for this chat. Let's, let's talk a
00:04:39.400 little common sense, holding the liberals to account and, and making sense of these false starts and do
00:04:45.360 take advantage of that promo code at junonews.com slash not sorry. Brian Lilly joins the show now
00:04:52.120 here on Juno news. Brian famed political columnist for the Toronto sun show host has a terrific new
00:04:59.040 substack at brianlilly.com. Brian, thanks for joining us. Oh, thanks for having me. Now, Brian, you just
00:05:05.100 wrote, I was just reading it this morning on, on Carney's UK trip where, you know, it's seeming a little
00:05:11.600 bit like, like a sham while there's all these domestic crises happening at home. You mentioned
00:05:16.720 that we see him meeting with your Starmer again. We see him meeting with the Australian PM, the Spanish
00:05:23.020 PM, Iceland's PM, and I will not try to pronounce her name, but we don't see any deliverables at a
00:05:30.200 news conference touting all his great work. He was asked about all these business leaders he's meeting
00:05:35.220 with. And the answer was clearly a struggle for him to say anything of substance as is becoming the
00:05:41.540 norm. What is your concern here as, you know, he's overseas with all these issues at hand and
00:05:47.340 why are we not seeing deliverables from this trip and potentially others?
00:05:53.020 So my issue isn't that he was out of the country, that he was meeting with foreign leaders. I'd like
00:05:58.660 him to do that. That is a part of the job, but you need to deliver something on it. And, you know,
00:06:04.540 I was seeing people on X and elsewhere complain, oh, he's out of the country again. He doesn't like
00:06:09.420 Canada. And I'm thinking, well, if we want to expand our trading ties, if we want to actually
00:06:13.860 be successful at that, he's got to leave the country and he's got to focus on signing trade
00:06:19.300 deals, significant ones, or improving them. But then I was looking at his itinerary would come out
00:06:25.500 and I was like, wait a minute, there's no there there. I mean, just the other day I was defending
00:06:30.280 this trip on Warren Kinsella's podcast saying, well, you know, this is good. Let him do it,
00:06:36.020 but he's got to deliver. Well, how is he going to deliver when the bulk of what he was there for
00:06:42.380 is something called the Global Progress Summit? This is a meeting of left wing national leaders
00:06:50.160 and politicos from around the world. And it's put on by a group called the Center for American
00:06:56.080 Progress. That's a Democrat linked left wing think tank out of Washington, DC, whose day in,
00:07:02.420 day out work is trying to take down Donald Trump. I mean, this makes no sense that the people on the
00:07:09.360 board, the top leaders of it have all worked for Obama or Hillary Clinton or Joe Biden. They've
00:07:14.880 recently worked against Donald Trump and put out papers every day denouncing the president. You don't
00:07:20.640 have to like Donald Trump either, but we're in the middle of trying to get a deal with this guy.
00:07:24.860 And you're going to spend your time at a summit put on by people who are opposed to him and his
00:07:31.740 very existence. That makes no sense to me. Plus, can you imagine if Stephen Harper went to the
00:07:38.040 International Democratic Union and described it as a chance to protect Canadian workers? The news
00:07:45.120 release that Carney's office put out on this was all about how this was to build the Canadian economy,
00:07:51.400 protect Canadian workers, and drum up business. He had a business breakfast on Saturday morning. Then
00:07:58.200 he went to the Women's Rugby World Cup to cheer on Canada. Look, if he's there already, that's great.
00:08:05.660 But if that and going to the Global Progress Summit are the reason he's there, I'm sorry,
00:08:10.200 those are party or personal events. That's not you drumming up business. The news release had the
00:08:16.400 Global Progress Summit as a kind of an add-on. Oh, and he'll also do this. No, that is the bulk of
00:08:21.180 what he did. All those leaders that you mentioned are all left-wing political leaders that were there
00:08:25.980 for the summit as well to talk about how to fight against the right. And I know that hearing from my
00:08:33.740 audience this morning, the Juno audience, like their concerns right now, of course, we want to be
00:08:38.560 expanding ourselves and speaking to our foreign allies. I mean, I have similar thoughts about that
00:08:44.600 conference. But coming into the weekend, people were going into the weekend, we're really alarmed to see
00:08:50.500 the words of the interim PBO. Really dramatic language, unlike which I've ever seen before.
00:08:57.580 You know, stupefying. The claim that, you know, if we don't get this under control, this is over.
00:09:03.680 Over. Not we're in trouble here. This is over.
00:09:07.300 I've been covering the PBO since Stephen Harper introduced it after the 2006 election. I've never
00:09:12.960 heard a PBO use words like this. You know, like Kevin Page in his early days was sometimes co-opted
00:09:18.780 by the opposition and said things that were rather partisan. But I never remember language like this
00:09:26.720 to describe the fiscal situation. And so sure, if you're going on this mission to drum up business
00:09:32.040 that's going to boost the economy and make it so that that deficit isn't as big because the government's
00:09:37.620 getting more revenue because the economy's bigger. Great. That's not happening. And meanwhile, yeah,
00:09:42.160 we've still got an unsustainable fiscal situation.
00:09:45.040 Unsustainable fiscal situation. More reporting that our real GDP per capita flatlined while the U.S.
00:09:52.320 economy surges. If I'm not mistaken, it's like six straight years since we've seen any growth there.
00:09:58.040 And, you know, if you're if you're a regular person right now, maybe maybe you you went all in on
00:10:03.100 elbows up. Maybe understandably you were worried about some of the 51st state rhetoric. I think
00:10:08.440 we're seeing in the polls that, you know, the rubber isn't quite meeting the road with some of
00:10:12.680 those promises and this trickle back to the reality that if Trump is not the number one priority in
00:10:20.700 Canadian polling, we are reminded of how difficult things are, that that people are worried about
00:10:27.080 crime. They're worried about cost of living. They're worried about unemployment. And
00:10:32.240 if they're not going to get elbows up right and you've covered it, you know, so
00:10:36.480 fantastically this. I'm curious, do you see the air coming out of the balloon here with their start
00:10:43.940 where, you know, because these results are not are not coming quickly?
00:10:49.000 This in some ways is going to provide a real opportunity for the conservatives to get their
00:10:52.760 groove back. Well, I know most in the media like to point to nano's polling showing that
00:10:58.500 the conservatives are well back. Abacus has never found that they've always had the
00:11:03.020 conservatives a couple of points behind or tied. Angus Reid poll last week had the conservatives
00:11:09.360 ahead by three, 41, 38. So look, I think it's still competitive. You know, depending on what the
00:11:17.280 ballot question is, you're into a resume contest. And that's part of why Mark Carney won. It's like,
00:11:22.560 oh, we've got economic problems. There's a banker, there's an economist, but he's not delivering.
00:11:29.660 There's an old movie from the 80s called About Last Night. And Rob Lowe's this young guy asking
00:11:35.020 Jim Belushi, the brother of the late John Belushi, he's asking him about this event that happened with
00:11:40.720 this woman last night. He keeps asking, is she a pro? Is she a pro? And the line that Belushi keeps
00:11:45.940 giving back to Lois, at this point, we don't know. And that I feel like that is me talking about
00:11:51.320 Mark Carney. Oh, is he going to do this? He's going to do that. At this point, we don't know,
00:11:56.160 because there's a lot of talk. There's not a lot of action. There's, what are the deliverables? He
00:12:02.300 can point to some things, and they clearly have. Yep, they did the middle class tax cut. They lowered
00:12:08.740 the consumer carbon tax rate to zero. But food inflation is still going up. Unemployment is still
00:12:16.000 rampantly high. People are complaining that their kids can't find a job because of all the temporary
00:12:21.240 foreign workers. There's a woman in my building complaining to me she's an immigrant herself, 0.99
00:12:27.380 complaining that her kids, so she's employed, but her kids can't find a job. And she's worried
00:12:31.520 about her kids. And she's blaming the temporary foreign worker program. This is someone that was
00:12:36.680 supportive of Carney and now saying, well, wait a minute, what is going on here? So look, there's
00:12:43.240 lots of opportunity for air to come out if he doesn't deliver. And that major projects list announcement
00:12:49.760 that he had. That was an incredibly tepid and weak affair. I'm sorry, those projects were all going
00:12:57.560 ahead with or without being on the major projects list. I mean, the copper mine in Saskatchewan was
00:13:03.160 pretty much near completion. I think it'll be done next year. So he promised to think big,
00:13:12.280 act bigger, move at speeds not seen in generations. I didn't vote for Mark Carney. I did not write
00:13:18.420 columns cheerleading for him. But he is the prime minister. And if I want the economy to succeed,
00:13:23.440 I need him to succeed. We're not going to do that with what he's doing so far. He's not living up to
00:13:28.980 his own words. And I think if that continues, and people don't see real action by early in the new
00:13:35.160 year, by Christmas, or just after that, that, yeah, it's going to be like a pin going into a balloon.
00:13:42.080 Yeah. And I feel the same. And particularly on major projects where your reporting has been
00:13:47.720 terrific and your writing where it's taking credit for all these projects that were already well
00:13:51.300 underway. I work in the conservative third party space. So I'm a small C conservative. I'm the
00:13:56.960 director of the National Citizens Coalition. I'm thrilled to talk to the Juno audience. I contribute
00:14:01.900 on some projects like Project Ontario. I want to be wrong about this start. Like I'm rooting for my
00:14:08.200 prime minister. I'm not wearing the blue jersey. As you can see, I'm wearing green today. I would be
00:14:13.500 thrilled if this looked a lot more like 2014 than the absolute heart of those terrible Trudeau years.
00:14:23.620 But these concerns are mounting. And one of the ones that is really troubling people, and you talk to
00:14:29.780 the industry experts, you talk to MPs, is they are claiming to be getting it together on immigration.
00:14:35.160 We know generationally what a problem this has become. Talking to that lady in your building, 0.94
00:14:40.040 what a problem this has become. I talk to young men all the time. In my sphere, young women working 1.00
00:14:46.300 in the job market right now, they're sending out hundreds of resumes, hundreds of resumes that are
00:14:51.240 instead going to temporary foreign workers, seemingly, or those who came here through the
00:14:56.660 International Mobility Program. And there is new reporting today, or going into this weekend,
00:15:01.720 that Canada is failing to count how many migrants are even overstaying their visas. We are apparently
00:15:08.240 conducting exit tracking. So when you leave, your passport is getting flagged in the system. But
00:15:13.860 refusing to share these numbers publicly tells us, and we could all assume that this was going on,
00:15:21.200 that there is a significant amount who are staying here illegally. We have, in the next few years,
00:15:27.120 4.9 million temporary visas coming up. Given the level of outright fraud that's taken place from
00:15:34.820 some of these scummy colleges to these LMIA postings that don't pass the smell test,
00:15:41.180 what would be your concern there that if we're failing to release to the public how many migrants
00:15:47.100 are overstaying their welcome, how bad might this number actually be?
00:15:50.420 It'll be staggering. Could be in the millions. Look, we've taken an immigration system that under
00:15:56.780 successive liberal and conservative governments was seen as a model. Other countries would study it
00:16:02.700 for what to do. If they were to study it today, it would be what not to do. And let me put this in
00:16:10.100 perspective. This is not good for anyone involved in this situation. Unless we just want declining
00:16:15.840 living standards and a harder life, this is not good for anyone. Because it has put a strain on
00:16:22.120 the housing stock in this country. It is putting a strain on the healthcare system. It's putting a
00:16:28.560 strain on a lot of things. When you bring in people faster than you can house them, get them healthcare,
00:16:32.960 find them jobs. You know, when my parents came to Canada in 1968, it took them five years to be able
00:16:40.580 to save up and buy a home. And they were young. They were in their early 20s when they came.
00:16:46.940 And they started having kids. You know, my older brother was born not long after they got here. So,
00:16:52.780 you know, growing family, lots of expenses. They were able to make a decent living,
00:16:58.020 save enough money to buy a nice, modest, middle-class suburban home. You can't do that now. And you can't do
00:17:04.780 that if you are one of the newcomers coming in, unless it's, you know, the whole multi-generational
00:17:09.680 family pooling resources or the village back home sending money. You can't do that if you're the
00:17:14.480 newcomer. You can't do that if you are a Canadian kid born and raised here. We've made things
00:17:20.580 unaffordable. The knock-on effects are so vast. And, you know, I'm not sure how they're going to
00:17:27.340 clean it up or if they even have the will to clean it up. You'll recall that former Immigration 1.00
00:17:32.000 Minister Mark Carney, or sorry, Mark Miller, was at one point saying, well, you know, the way to get
00:17:38.600 down from 7.2% of our population being temporary residents is make a whole bunch of them permanent
00:17:44.380 residents. Well, that's, that, we shouldn't be making temporary foreign workers a path to 0.97
00:17:51.340 citizenship. We shouldn't be giving people backdoor entry into the country. That's what we're doing
00:17:57.900 with the asylum system. In 2014, 20, yeah, 2014, I believe it was, there were 16,000 people who came
00:18:07.060 to Canada and declared asylum. These are not people who came from UN refugee camps and the like. These
00:18:13.080 are people who showed up at our door, at our airports, at our border somewhere and declared
00:18:18.180 asylum. 16,000 and there was a 10,000 person backlog. The most recent statistics we have for
00:18:25.240 last year, 190,000 people declared asylum and that was down from the year before. And the number of people
00:18:31.140 waiting for their hearing is almost 300,000. That's a broken system, but it's being seen as a backdoor
00:18:38.120 entry into Canada because they've incentivized people to come. You, you, you know, they're not
00:18:45.040 going to enforce things. You get a work permit right away. You get a bunch of money to help you set up
00:18:49.320 your home. You maybe have your home paid for with a hotel or a shelter. This is destroying the system that
00:18:55.460 was there. And, and so I have no hope that they're going to deal with that 4.9 million people. I think
00:19:01.980 an awful lot of them are going to stay and, and, and the current government will not have the will
00:19:07.080 to, or the competence to go in there and deal with this. I hope you're wrong about that. I, looking at
00:19:12.520 those recent numbers too, I believe it's now one in every 83 people in Canada are, are, are products of
00:19:19.260 that just broken asylum stream where we have students just who are studying, you know, business
00:19:26.640 management at a school, like say a Conestoga who is coming up all of a sudden, oh, I can't go home.
00:19:32.300 Even though they're going home for vacation, they're going home to visit the family, but now it's, it's,
00:19:37.360 it's these fraudulent, evidently hundreds of thousands of fraudulent asylum claims.
00:19:42.100 And we were also causing problems for the Americans because suddenly we had 10,000 Indian nationals from 1.00
00:19:47.240 Canada going across the border and declaring asylum. So they're in Canada on a visa that allows them 0.81
00:19:53.900 entry into the United States. Then they go to the States and declare asylum. Why? Because they're 0.94
00:19:58.140 just trying to use all of this system as backdoor entry into either Canada or the U S we clearly need
00:20:05.500 to clean that up. They're tinkering on the edges. I don't see them doing the heavy lifting that's
00:20:10.740 needed. You're an active guy on, on the digital channels too. You know, you're driving millions of
00:20:16.180 engagements a month when I go on even to just my, my Instagram reels. Now you open it and you actually
00:20:22.060 just see immigration fraudsters, like just putting out messages being like, I'll, I'll mule you across 0.99
00:20:28.080 the border, you know, Hey, you know, Punjabi fellow Punjabi guys who came here since 2020, you know,
00:20:34.500 just the hop in the truck. Like it is, it is on front street. We're not even trying to, to hide it.
00:20:40.680 And that the new immigration minister is off to such a poor start fumbling her words in the house,
00:20:45.300 not inspiring much confidence. They can say that they're, they're lowering that PR number a little
00:20:51.380 bit. They can, you can see at least in the case of the province of Ontario, they are studying,
00:20:56.000 starting to, you know, put the boot to the, the career colleges to some extent, as well as the,
00:21:02.480 the fraudulent trucking industry where we're now hundreds of guys are being pulled off the roads
00:21:06.680 for the shoddy licenses. But unless you really cut into that 4.9 million, this is, if we think we
00:21:14.060 have record youth unemployment now, I can't even imagine how bad it's going to be in the next few
00:21:19.600 years. Yeah. Well, you know, 15 to Alberta was at 20% youth unemployment two months ago. It only fell
00:21:26.640 to 17% because people stopped looking for work. That's how bad it is right now. So getting worse is
00:21:33.220 not a good option. Getting worse is not a good option. We're, we're seeing, you know,
00:21:36.680 getting worse with all these issues is not a good option. And unfortunately that's what we're seeing
00:21:41.580 from what is seemingly a carny false start. Brian Lilly, thank you for joining us today.
00:21:47.980 Everyone check out his work at the Toronto sun and at brianlilly.com. Thanks so much, Alex.