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- December 08, 2021
Critical Race Theory is not a conspiracy. It’s real and it’s here in Canada.
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Critical race theory is not a conspiracy theory and it's not just something that happens in the US.
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It's here in Canada, in our classrooms, being taught to our children. Canadians need to know
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about this and they must remain vigilant against this threat. I'm Candice Malcolm and this is The
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Candice Malcolm Show. Hi everyone, thank you so much for tuning in. Now you know that at True
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North we focus a lot on the sort of woke left and the menace and the threat they pose to our
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society. They are radical. The things that they believe are against, they're fundamentally against
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the foundations of a free society and there's so many problems that arise from that. Our
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own Sue Ann Levy, reporter with True North, has been on the front lines of reporting this issue
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in the various school districts. But today I wanted to take a step back and try to wrap our heads around
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what exactly this word means. It's sort of a buzzword, critical race theory. You hear about it a lot in
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the US, not so much in Canada, but it is very much here. It is very much present and we see it in so
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many of the different strange policies that are coming out specifically in Ontario but frankly all
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across the country. So I'm very pleased today to be joined by Samuel Say. Samuel is a scholar and
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writer based in Brampton, Ontario. He founded the website slow2write.com and has covered numerous issues
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with biblical theory relating to race, culture, and politics. Samuel has been published on The Daily
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Wire, TheBlaze.com, The Christian Post, and many more. So Samuel, thank you so much for joining the
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Candace Malcolm Show. It's great to have you back. Thank you for having me back again. I appreciate it.
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So I know we've had you on the show before and there's a lot of different things that you write
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about, but I think the thing that you are most known for, the thing that I first learned about your
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writing and first read your work was on critical race theory. And so I'm hoping that you could just
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help us understand because it's sort of a buzzword, it's sort of an academic word or phrase that
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many people just aren't really familiar with. So can you just, for someone who's never heard of it
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before, has no idea what it is, can you walk us through what this theory is and what it tries to do?
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Yeah. Yeah. As you mentioned, some suggest that critical race theory is this conspiracy
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theory that the conservatives or the right are trying to use against the dual cleft, but it's
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not true. It really is a very popular ideology and philosophy within our culture. Essentially, if you've
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heard of things like white privilege, systemic racism, you know, equity, those are all related to
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critical race theory. Essentially, critical race theory is originally from legal scholars in America.
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It was people like Derrick Bell or Kimberly Crenshaw are the founders of critical race theory. It was
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started in the 70s as a reaction to the civil rights movement, actually. They believe that the civil
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rights movement was not good enough. The civil rights movement led by Martin Luther King Jr. taught on
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being impartial. It taught on, you know, really affirming Western values of impartiality. And they say, no,
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impartiality is actually an illusion. It's actually racist. So, which is why, for example, they oftentimes
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talk about colorblindness being a myth and really racism. So, they really much hate colorblindness.
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Now, I will mention a quote from Ibram Kendi, who is... And sorry, when you say colorblindness, you don't
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mean literal colorblindness, right? You mean that in a metaphorical sense, correct? Of course. Yeah. I mean,
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yeah, so critical race theories try to make it seem as if, when we talk about being colorblind,
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um, that we're trying to say that, no, no, we don't see color. Well, that's ridiculous,
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right? Of course we see color. What we're saying is we're repeating what Martin Luther King Jr.
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believed, which is that we don't judge people based on their skin color, but on their character.
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But they hate that because they do believe that we should treat people based on their skin color.
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So, Ibram Kendi, um, who, as I mentioned, is the leading scholar, uh, on critical race theory,
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alongside Robin DiAngelo, um, he mentioned in his book, How to Be an Antiracist, that, um, that racism
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is only wrong if it leads to inequity. But racism, or in his exact words, racial discrimination,
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is good if it leads to equity, right? And he says that, um, past discrimination has to be met with
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present or future discrimination. These are his exact words from his book, How to Be an Antiracist,
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which I call How to Be a Racist. Um, so, you know, so critical race theory really is teaching that
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discrimination against people, really against white people, to bring about equity, which is,
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equity sounds like equality. And in the past, it was synonymous with equality. But within critical
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race theory, what it really means is equality of outcome between ethnic or racial groups. So now,
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just to kind of bring it all home, critical race theory basically is saying that, uh, Western
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society, America, Canada, um, uh, is fundamentally, uh, designed by white supremacists for white people.
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And that because of that, it will always, and Derrick Bell says this, that America will always be
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racist. It will always be oppressed towards black people, always. He says that the only, the whole point
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of trying to be anti-racist is to, is to try to minimize that, but that America, as it stands,
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and by extension, Canada, as it stands, our values, uh, are racist systemically and culturally.
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Therefore, in their minds, we need a revolution against these systems to destroy the system, to
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abolish the systems that we have, the prisons, uh, the police, uh, everything, um, in order for us to have
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a equitable or anti-racist society. I mean, there's so many things you can say about, about this
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worldview. In some ways, it's, it's devastating because if you buy into this theory in, in, in so
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many schools, as we'll talk about, so many schools in the US and Canada already have, and they teach
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in critical race theory today. I mean, if that's your view, that no matter what we do, and no matter
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how hard we try, and no matter how tolerant we become of one another, how much we learn from one
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another, how much we try to improve and constantly strive, right? The, the, the beauty of what Martin,
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Martin Luther King taught was that he, he, he believed that the American ideals were just
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and righteous, and that we needed to work harder to live up to those ideals. And those were the
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ideals that he wanted us all to share in together, um, US and Canada by extension. Uh, whereas the way,
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the way that these people view the world, it's, it's like, it doesn't matter what we do. Uh, we're all
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racist and, um, not, you know, the, the, the idea is that we have to start again. And it's like,
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what is that going to look like? Right? Like when it comes to equity, Samuel, uh, I, I didn't really
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know what they were talking about at first, because when I think of equity, I think of, you know, the
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value of your home or something like that, like a financial, uh, term, but they're talking about equity
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as opposed to, um, equality. And they, and they had these, these like handy little, uh, picture graphics,
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and we can throw one up on the screen. And, and, and it's like, so simplistic. It's like,
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Oh wow. Okay. Equality is like these two kids on a ladder, one's tall, so they can't see over the
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fence and the other one, uh, you know, all we have to do is give that second kid a taller ladder.
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And it's like, it, you know, they make it seem like it's so simple, right? All we have to do is
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just provide these taller ladders for these kids. But it's like, that's, that's not a real solution.
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Like what, what you're actually talking about, your point is equality of outcome. So, so, so someone
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in micromanaging every aspect of our life to say, like, it doesn't matter if you're, uh, you know, not as,
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not as, uh, not as hardworking or not as competent or not as capable or not as intelligent. We don't
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want everyone to have equal outcome. And then, and that's starting to feel a lot more like communism.
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So I just, I just wonder like what, um, you know, what, what, what is it that critical race theorists
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are trying to accomplish? Yeah. It's really as simple as you said, it's communism. Um, when the,
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the graphics we mentioned, which I'm sure we'll talk about this, but it's actually being shared
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across kids as early as kindergarten, that graphics that you mentioned in Ontario.
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Well, it looks like it's designed for kids, right? It's, it's super, it's like cartoony,
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kid friendly. Whenever I see it on social media and they share it all the time, people on the lab,
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it's like, it's so simple. It's like, oh yeah, don't we all just want to live in a world where
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everyone can see over the fence, right? Exactly. Exactly. Uh, but it really is, as you said,
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that it's really communism, um, equity, um, the way to understand it is really borrowed
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from the Marxist concept of, you know, of equality of outcome for all people. Um, and in fact, when
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you, when you, when we hear the word woke, which is associated with critical race theory,
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it's really a modern version of class consciousness, uh, to be woke is that the oppressed has become
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conscious of their oppression, but that's really what it means to be woke. And, uh, so critical race
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theory, what they do want is they, they believe that all non-white people are oppressed. Therefore,
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they want to make all non-white people woke or conscious to their oppression. And then to advocate
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to changing all the systems, these good systems that I, as an immigrant, um, left, uh, my country
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with my mom to come to Canada to, to be privileged, um, in, in these good systems, capitalists, capitalist,
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free, impartial, uh, systems that we have in Canada. Um, they want to abolish all of that so that in
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their mind, people like me, um, can become, um, you know, a beneficiary of, of, uh, discriminating
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against white people and taking some of the, some of their, um, you know, their wealth and things
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that they've been accumulating, um, um, themselves and give it to me as some, um, evil form of justice
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in their mind. Well, I mean, it's like, it's, it's, it's, it's, again, it's hard to wrap your head
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around what they, what they actually want. Um, because like you say, the end, the end outcome
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looks pretty, uh, nefarious. And, and to your point, you know, people do move from all over the
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world to come to Canada because they see it as a free and fair society. Uh, I remember during the
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George Floyd riots, Samuel, we saw a lot of articles in Canada, um, talking kind of almost like trying to,
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it's like they had, they had like envy, like looking at the U S system where there is police brutality
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and there is a lot of disparity between some black communities in the mainstream. Um, and it was
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like the Canadians were trying to show how bad things were here too. And I remember seeing some
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articles, uh, you know, talking about how, how black people fared in Canada. And I remember looking at
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the data myself thinking like, this is actually amazing. Like, like I think it's 50%, 56% of the
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black population in Canada are first generation immigrants, meaning that they, they themselves or
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their parents chose Canada. You know, how bad of a place can Canada actually be if all these people
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are choosing to come here. And then even out of that, um, when you looked at the incomes, you know,
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relative to other immigrants, relative to the Canadian average, it was like, is these communities
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are doing pretty, pretty good. We should be, we should be happy about that. Obviously we should
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strive to make sure that everyone has opportunities, but it's just sort of to meet what they're teaching,
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what fundamentally what they're teaching is to, to little black children out there, uh, that no
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matter how hard they try, no matter how smart they are, no matter how intelligent they are,
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how hard they work. Um, they're never going to be successful. And, and then they're teaching
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little white kids that, that there's something wrong with them, that they're inherently oppressive
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and, and that their society is, is evil. And that, that like, you know, it's like, no, no one,
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no one can benefit from this. It's such a, it's such a poisonous thing to teach to little kids. I,
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I wonder how, how did this creep into our schools, Samuel, where did this come from? And, and, and,
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and what could parents do, um, when, when they hear about this kind of stuff?
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Yeah. Um, so it's, so, and, um, I've done some, of course, uh, research on this stuff and critical
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race theory has been, um, part of America, uh, kind of a school system, at least in the university
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or college level since the nineties. Um, I mean, a lot of the top, uh, even to this day, uh, but since
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from the nineties, a lot of the top, um, um, law schools in Canada have been teaching critical race
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theory for some time. It'll, so even though critical race theory just became, uh, part of the
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Canadian, um, I guess consciousness over the last five years or so, it's been around for a long time.
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And it wasn't really till the black lives matter riots, um, not last year actually, but in, uh,
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2015, 2014, uh, with Michael Brown and Ferguson, that you started seeing a huge push in America and
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in Canada for critical race theory at a mainstream level, uh, for children as early as kindergarten.
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Um, so, so it's been around for a long time and it was so, and it's usually police brutality,
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or at least accusations of police brutality that leads to, um, these, these ideas becoming more
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accepted, but for parents, uh, one of the things they need to do, and I've seen many of this, um,
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happening is that parents just need to call their schools, call their local school boards and just
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ask them, um, about the curriculum. They will be shocked that the vast majority of schools in Canada,
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and I really do mean in Canada, I don't know, I don't just mean Ontario, I mean Canada as a whole,
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are teaching critical race theory. I've had parents reaching out to me from every single
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province in this country saying that, um, they've asked their school, uh, what is being taught, um,
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um, to the, to the, to the children and, uh, some of them will deny it, but in their words,
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it's pretty obvious they're teaching, teaching critical race theory, including Christian schools
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or Catholic schools. So if even these schools between critical race theory, you can only
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imagine what's being taught to your children at public schools. Well, I remember a couple years
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ago, Jordan Peterson sort of advising parents in one of his videos, like, tell your kids that if
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they hear the teacher talk about things like white privilege, uh, your child should get up and walk
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out of the classroom. That, that was what he advised. And I, I don't know if parents are doing that now,
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but we've got a bunch of examples of, of CRT in schools. So Ottawa is debating whether or not to
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ban the singing of Oh Canada in schools, because they say it's oppressive. Uh, Lord of the Flies,
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the book was removed from schools in Ottawa, um, an anti-black agenda. And, and I put that in,
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in quotations because this is the thing that, that, that these people do, you know, they call themselves
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anti-racist, they call themselves anti-black. And then if you oppose them, it's like, well, then you
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must be racist and you must be anti-black because they're anti-black racist, but, but, but that,
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that's what their agenda is. They're being pushed in Hamilton. And then we saw that the crazy story of
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waiting, weighted voting. I don't know if you saw this out in Halton, where depending on your skin
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color, your vote is worth more on, on school boards. Um, you know, I think this is the kind of
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thing that parents would, would, would just be kind of outraged. Oh, another one. Someone sent me this
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the other day, cause I've got a little baby and someone sent me that, uh, there's a book out called
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the anti-racist baby by Amber X. Kennedy. And I, I flipped through it. It's interesting because, uh,
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you know, it's, it's a number one New York times bestseller, um, sort of trying to indoctrinate
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babies, uh, read this to little kids about how they live in a racist world. Um, but, but I did like
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how the, the, the ratings, the Google review ratings of this book is 13% of people like this. So even
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though, you know, it's the New York times talk of the town bestseller, uh, when it comes to actual
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parents reading this kind of stuff, being like, why would I, why would I read this to my baby? Like,
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it's so wild. I, I have that book. Uh, I bought that book because it really, so, so I mentioned
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Abraham Kennedy's book, how to be an anti-racist. Well, that's the kid's, that's the kid's version
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of that. And that book, I kid you not, is being read across all Ontario to kindergarten, um, students.
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So again, and this is all, um, I've received internal documents from teachers, uh, in Peel
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and in Toronto who are telling me this, that they're being compelled to read that book, which is
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teaching kids, it's teaching, especially white kids, that they are racist and they need to accept
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this and then be an ally with black people or non, uh, non-white people. So it's wild. So, uh, like,
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do you think this, this idea is popular? Because so many of the people I see pushing this,
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to be completely honest, aren't, are not black people. You know, it's, it's, it's white people.
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It's, it's sort of white guilt kind of thing that people feel like this is what they must do. It's
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the latest trendy iteration of leftist ideology. Do you think this idea resonates that the idea that,
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that, that people, um, who aren't white need to be woke and fight back against the system?
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And then also in the U S this has become a huge issue. It's, it's become a public debate. And yes,
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a lot of people say it's a Republican conspiracy theory, but we, we've actually seen
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states ban the teaching in, in the U S. Do you think there's any, anything like that coming
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in Canada? Do you think there's any, any political leader or, or any political movement out there to
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say, Hey, we don't want this stuff at our schools in Canada either. Unfortunately, uh, no, I don't see
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that at all. Uh, because so, so I've said this actually, and it shocks many people, but critical
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race theory is just as popular here as it is, or as it is in America, if not more popular. Uh, the reason
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I say it's more popular is because in the U S you actually have some pushback, um, against it over
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here. We don't have a lot at all. I know you guys have been fighting against it. I know that, um,
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some conservatives are against it, but the, the, the, the mainstream conservative movement here is
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not fighting against at all. In fact, I know some politicians, um, some of the conservative, um,
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politicians have pushed critical race theory and have been saying, um, some of these ideas on social
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media and on their platforms. So, uh, unfortunately I don't see anything that happened. I would be very
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glad to see that, but it would be a huge shock to me. Um, you know, so, uh, that's, yeah, so it's
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unfortunate in that case, but I don't see that changing. Right. Well, I mean, a lot of this is
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happening in Ontario, which is currently run by an progressive conservative government, but what about
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the, the idea that, that this is sort of designed to, um, you know, the class consciousness and awaken,
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um, people of other, of other races to sort of what revolt against the system. Do you think
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that that's having an impact? Do you think that it's, uh, you know, it's, it's sort of designed,
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um, to tempt, you wrote this once that critical race theory is a sinful ideology that can tempt people
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like me, people who reject critical race theory to sin. So, so, so it's designed to tempt people like
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you. Um, do you think it's working? Do you think that, that it is a lot of new Canadians or people who
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aren't white, uh, that, that, that, that buy into this ideology and, and that it guides them?
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Absolutely. You mentioned earlier about the first generation Canadians. It's not tempting them at all.
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Um, but the second generation, um, Canadians are absolutely being tempted by it. I know many,
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many, most of my friends have embraced critical race theory. It's influencing how they view other
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Canadians. No doubt about it. Uh, there was a poll, uh, last year, um, that said that 54% of Canadians
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believe that Canada is systemically racist. That's actually the same number as it is in America.
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Um, so, so that, that includes of course, uh, black Canadians, immigrant Canadians and white Canadians.
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Um, now the most, uh, the most vocal people for critical race theory in America and Canada
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happens to be white women. Um, and that's because I think a lot of white women are, um, you know,
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are influenced by Robin DiAngelo, who is a white woman, uh, who is next to Abraham Kennedy,
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the biggest voice on critical race theory right now, but also, uh, white guilt tends to be very
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appealing to white women, um, who feel basically bad about being white and believe that, well,
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they can become, they can be, um, they can be seen as, you know, the better white people,
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if they would just, you know, be an advocate, um, for, for black people, but really it's just pride.
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It's just arrogance. It's just virtue signaling. And they're not really considering what they're
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really saying. Many of them are becoming more racist against their parents. Um, but they're not
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really understanding that they're really being racist. They just think that they're being anti-racist.
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Well, and we've seen this so often that so many, so often the most racist people are the sort of
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woke leftist white people who preach about it. I mean, someone like Justin Trudeau, who talks a
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good game about diversity and then in his own private life, he likes to, uh, you know, paint his
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face black and go out and celebrate that way. Like, uh, or, or, you know, when you're talking about the,
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the white women, I don't know if you ever saw this. There's a, I think it was in the New York
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times. There's a story about how, um, these women would organize like really expensive dinner parties
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and they'd hire one of these ladies to come and give a seminar basically where they could like air
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their, their racist thoughts and, and, and, and learn about how they're actually racist. And there's
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one woman who, who was actually, uh, an adoptive parent and she had adopted a child who's black.
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And the whole idea was that even though she has her own black child, that is racist. It
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is racist, um, to adopt someone from a different race and to love them as a child, which, you know,
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it's like, how, how far have we gone in this, in this, in this ideology where everything is about
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race, every, like, like that's all that matters. Nothing else matters. Your character, your qualities,
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what you, how you live your life, how, how you act in the world, your day-to-day, uh, you know,
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virtues, none of it matters. The only thing that matters is, is your skin color, which to me seems
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like racist. It seems regressive. And, and, and I think that that, that that's how I would describe
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this whole movement. Yeah. I'll, I'll tell you, I think, you know, our society, we've, we've suggested
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that racism or being anti-racist is, um, the most important thing you can be in this world. Therefore,
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that means that they're telling people that the best way for them to feel good about themselves
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is to be anti-racist, which includes lying to themselves about being racist when they're not.
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Um, the vast majority of all these people are not at least traditionally racist. They've become
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racist by embracing, uh, critical race theory and anti-racism, but originally they weren't. And
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that's, that's a scary thing. I, I've been seeing, um, if I told you the number of people who've called
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me an uncle Tom or a coon, um, and mostly from white people, you'd be shocked by it. It's almost a daily
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occurrence on social media and sometimes in person, but I'm a big guy. So that's, that's,
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that's rare. But for the most part, it's online. And, um, and it's, it's mostly coming from white
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people and it's, it's quite shocking. Um, it's, it's not being shocking now, but it's alarming when
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white people are telling me in racist terms, how much they love black people more than I do. Um,
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but that's what critical race theory is doing.
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Well, I'm sorry to hear that. It's despicable. And I, I mean, I, I can say that I've seen it too,
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uh, online and, and, and in the other way, you know, all these men who claim to be feminists and
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claim to want more women in power, uh, you know, as soon as they don't agree with you,
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they're, they're more than happy to call you really disgusting names and, and denigrate you.
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Well, you know, I, I, I feel like one of the things that conservatives need to do to fight
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against critical race theory is come up with our own kind of narrative. Like this idea that
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no, Canada isn't an irredeemably racist country. Yes, we've had our own history and we've had ups and
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downs. There've been bad, bad actors and good actors and, and, and bad initiatives and good initiatives.
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But, you know, at the end of the day, we should celebrate what we have in common,
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the things we've done right and strive to, to, to be better. So what, what, what do you think that,
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that conservatives and not even conservatives per se, but just people who reject this sort of race,
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racist, um, obsession that, that is going on, um, race exception with critical race theory.
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What, what, what do you think that we can do, um, to fight back against this dangerous trend? And what,
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what do you think a better narrative that we can be telling, uh, little kids about our society would be?
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A big part is what you already, uh, referenced, which is this, um, you know, my, my, my tribe,
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I'm, I'm, I'm, I'm, I'm Fanti, uh, in Ghana and we were, uh, many of my distant relatives were
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taking our slaves, including people who have my, my last name. Um, I, I saw a slave ship with people,
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uh, with my last name say, um, on it, and these would be my distant relatives. So, um, they were taking over,
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by force over the Atlantic, um, into the, into the new world. I see that. And then I see me many years ago,
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um, willingly happily with my mom flying over the Atlantic, uh, to come to this great country. And that,
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that's a gap of 200 years where not people Africans were being forced out of their homes into this new
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world and then over the Atlantic. And now we are willingly very glad to leave everything we,
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we love and, um, you know, in our original nations to come to Canada. That's, that's what's happened.
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And critical race theory is, is, is, is trying to destroy that. It's trying to say that, no,
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Canada is still racist. Canada has always been racist and Canada will always be racist. And that's
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wrong. Um, that is destroying, uh, peace between people, uh, in our nation. And that's not good.
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Uh, Canada talks about how diverse we are. Well, this diversity is going to be destroyed. Um, if we
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embrace critical race theory, which is teaching us that, well, Canada is always going to be racist and
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therefore we need to be discriminated against white people. Well, I couldn't have said it any better
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myself. That's that was so, um, eloquent and you're right. They, they tried to erase 200 years of progress
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and say that we're just as bad as, as it was back then today. Well, uh, same say, thank you so much
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for joining the show is really helpful. Um, really clear to help, uh, to have you break everything
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down for us. So thank you so much for joining us. Okay. Thank you so much for tuning in.
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I'm Candace Malcolm, and this is the Candace Malcolm show.
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