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- October 30, 2022
Danielle Smith on unity, sovereignty, and the rights of the unvaccinated
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Welcome to Canada's Most Irreverent Talk Show.
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This is the Andrew Lawton Show, brought to you by True North.
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Coming up, Alberta Premier Danielle Smith and I discuss the Sovereignty Act,
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standing up for the unvaccinated, reforming health care, and lots more.
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The Andrew Lawton Show starts right now.
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Hello and welcome. This is Canada's Most Irreverent Talk Show,
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the Andrew Lawton Show, here on True North.
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A special weekend edition of the program.
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I think it's special. It's certainly rare.
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We don't normally assemble on the weekend,
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but we had an episode that we wanted to share with you immediately
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because we know that through the week,
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much of the show is dominated by the Public Order Emergency Commission,
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and it is focused on Alberta politics,
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which has not just been under the national microscope in the last couple of weeks,
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but I'd say the international microscope,
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where Premier Danielle Smith has hit the ground running
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after winning the UCP leadership race and being sworn in as Premier.
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She's had a lot of interest from around the world
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in her comments on the Alberta Sovereignty Act,
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putting Alberta's interests first,
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and also her comments standing up for the rights of the unvaccinated,
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something we haven't heard a lot of,
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and you may have seen she made this apology,
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which I think was unprecedented by a Canadian leader.
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I'm deeply sorry for anyone who was inappropriately subjected
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to discrimination as a result of their vaccine status.
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I'm deeply sorry for any government employee that was fired from their job
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because of their vaccine status,
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and I welcome them back if they want to come back.
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All of this has put, I think, a very sharp focus on what's happening in Alberta,
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a province that is going to the polls again in May of next year,
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so a pretty short runway for Premier Smith once she gets a seat in the legislature,
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assuming she wins her by-election in Medicine Hat in a few weeks' time.
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Now, I want to say right from the outset
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that covering Danielle Smith is a bit of a different situation for me
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than a lot of the other politicians that I've covered and reported on
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because I've known Danielle for many years.
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We used to work for the same company.
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I guest-hosted for her.
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I've appeared on panels alongside her,
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and while I'm not partisan and was not a supporter of her campaign,
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I have known her and have a very good rapport with her.
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Now, I still think that I can rise to the challenge of asking the tough questions,
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but I want you to be aware of the context before anyone pulls it up as some sort of gotcha
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when I've always been quite candid with the fact that I've known Danielle Smith,
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but at the same time, she's a professional in her role,
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I'm a professional in my role, and we move from that point.
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So with that out of the way, it's my great privilege to welcome to her first interview
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on True North since becoming Alberta's Premier, Premier Danielle Smith.
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Premier, good to talk to you.
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Thanks for coming on today, and congratulations.
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Good to talk to you, too.
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Remember when you used to sub in for me on Chorus Entertainment?
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I wonder if there's any opportunity for you to sub in for me on this role.
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Yeah, I don't know if you're on vacation if I automatically become Acting Premier now.
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I'd have to check the Constitution on that one.
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I'll check with my staff and see what the protocol list looks like.
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If called upon, I will serve, I believe, is the old line.
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This has been a very, very accelerated timeline.
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Obviously, you win the leadership, you're the Premier, you have a new Cabinet assembled,
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you're in the process right now of getting a seat in the Legislature,
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and once you get in, assuming you get in,
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you're only going to have a pretty short runway before next year's election.
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So explain to me what the priorities are and how much can you actually get done in that time
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before Albertans are back to the polls?
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Well, we will have a fall session, so that's going to be important.
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And I want to make sure that we make meaningful progress on the things that I campaigned on.
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So you will see a Sovereignty Act come forward.
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You will see a change to the Human Rights Code come forward as well.
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But the main thing that we'll be focusing on starting pretty soon here
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is restructuring of Alberta Health Services.
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We in Alberta took a bit of a different path to some of the other provinces.
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Some of the other provinces have regional boards.
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We moved to a single health super board, and it's underperforming.
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I think we saw that during COVID, and they seem to be incapable of being able to address
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the local needs in each community.
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And it's not really fair to ask an appointed board of directors to do that major restructuring.
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That's the work of the health minister.
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That's my work.
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And so we're going to be working on addressing some key issues in health care,
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to make sure that we have an effective ambulance service.
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Right now it isn't.
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To make sure we've got an effective system once people arrive in emergency,
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to get admitted to hospital if they need to be admitted,
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or to get treated if they need to be treated and sent on their way.
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And then we also have to make sure that we're using all of our facilities.
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And we've got 106 hospitals in the system
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to do enhanced surgical initiatives to start clearing the infrastructure or the surgical backlog.
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So those are the things that we'll be working on immediately
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and hoping to make some meaningful progress for patient care before the end of the year.
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I know that the health spending account,
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one of the key hallmarks of your campaign insofar as health policy is concerned,
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and something you and I have spoken about in the past,
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it's long before your return to politics,
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is something that you've put forward here.
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Is this something that you would expect to move on before the election,
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or is this part of something you would put to voters next spring?
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I want to move on it before the next election again.
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I have a different process because I recognize that there's a difference
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between the things that you campaign on and then also getting caucus buy-in.
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And I don't want to be the kind of leader that dictates policy.
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I want to make sure that our caucus is comfortable with the decisions that I make.
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And to do that, you have to make sure that you've got a pretty inclusive process.
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So I met with all of my MLAs one-on-one.
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We have regular caucus meetings, and we're starting a new process
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so that when we bring ideas forward, the MLAs are not caught by surprise for it
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because the first time they see it is in the legislature.
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They're going to be involved in the development of that.
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I feel like I've got some pretty good buy-in from caucus,
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but we're going to have to go through a process
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to make sure that we can get it into the budget.
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So it wouldn't be an immediate decision we could make in the fall
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because there are quite significant budget implications to it.
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It's something that I'd be looking to do when we release our budget in the spring.
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I know that the Sovereignty Act was something that you became a bit of a punching bag over
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from the media and also your opponents in the leadership race.
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And I don't want to rehash that because I think you have defended it very clearly.
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But I'll ask you about how you'll manage that from a caucus perspective
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because you now have people in your cabinet that raise very serious concerns
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and opposition in the leadership race to that.
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Will there be a free vote from your caucus and from your cabinet
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on the Sovereignty Act when you put that forward?
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Well, here's the approach that I've taken so far
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is that we brought through a team of experts,
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including a retired Supreme Court judge,
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several constitutional lawyers,
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to give us advice on how to craft that
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in the way I intended it to be crafted.
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I think maybe some of the miscommunication happened
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around the idea that it came forward from a policy think tank
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who had one conception of how it could be implemented.
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But I know as a political leader,
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I have to make sure that I pass legislation and craft legislation
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that can get caucus support that is constitutional.
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And so my conception of the Sovereignty Act
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was to assert all of our areas of jurisdiction in the Constitution.
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And we had a really good, robust discussion at caucus about this
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where I read out what the Constitution says
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in Section 92, Section 92A.
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It talks about how we have the exclusive right
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to pass legislation in our core areas of jurisdiction.
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I think perhaps what I'm doing is helping people
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to really reassess how our country works
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versus how it's supposed to work.
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We were never supposed to be a subordinate level of government
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to the national government.
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We've acted that way and we're going to stop acting that way.
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So I think once people understand that really what this is about
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is going back to the original intention of our founders
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when they crafted those sections of the Constitution
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and as a signatory to the Charter of Rights and Credence,
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ensuring that we defend the rights of our citizens.
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I think what I'm putting forward is grounded
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in our foundational documents.
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It's just we haven't been really very faithful
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to how our country has operated in the last number of years
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because we've got a federal government
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that constantly invades our jurisdiction.
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We're not going to let them do that anymore.
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I take from that that you're working on smoothing
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over the opposition that might exist within your caucus.
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But the question will be for people
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that are not supportive of that idea,
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is it going to be a whipped vote or a free vote?
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All of the votes are going to be free votes.
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I think that in the Westminster parliamentary tradition,
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we know that cabinet has a higher standard of need
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to be with the government agenda.
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And so I talked it over with all of my cabinet members
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so that they knew that a sovereignty act was coming forward.
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I have no doubt that I'm going to get the support of my cabinet.
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And if there are still some lingering concerns within our caucus,
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I want to be able to address those.
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But ultimately, all of the legislation that we have
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will allow for somebody who has a severe objection
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to be able to express that in the legislature.
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But I think it's my job as a leader
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to address those concerns in advance.
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And so we will be working very hard over the coming weeks
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to make sure that we can address all of those concerns.
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And I would hope that everybody will come on board
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with the approach that I intend to take.
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Let me ask you about your cabinet.
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You made some changes, obviously.
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I wouldn't say it was anything too radical.
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You've moved some people around.
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But I think generally speaking,
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the people that we've seen in cabinet in the past still are there.
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And you've put many of your,
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almost all of your leadership opponents in cabinet as well.
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You were, I think, very sincere when you made an apology
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on behalf of the Alberta government, as I took it,
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to unvaccinated people that have faced
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significant discrimination at the hands
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of the Alberta government in the past.
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Pastors were arrested in Alberta.
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Well, the man who's now your deputy premier
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was the minister of justice.
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The lockdowns and vaccine passports came in place
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under Tyler Shandro, the health minister at the time,
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who's now your justice minister.
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So how do you account for what you've said
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before returning to politics and as premier
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about that era of Alberta's history
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and the positions that these people are in now?
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Well, it goes back to the previous conversation
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that we had, that when you're a part of a government,
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you have to publicly take a view
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that supports the government decisions.
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But I can tell you, there were some knockdown,
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dragout fights that happened behind the scenes
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in caucus and in cabinet.
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And I think that Minister Madhu has very openly,
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he wrote a column on this, in fact,
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in I believe it was the Western Standard,
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talking about his opposition to the decision
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to arrest pastors and how he supports religious freedom.
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And I think you may recall that there was a change
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in the health minister
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as soon as the restriction exemption program came in.
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I haven't had a chance to talk
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to Minister Shandro about that,
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but I think that that gives you some indication
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that there may have been some disagreement
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on certain key areas about how that was rolled out.
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That's my implication that I take.
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I know that we're at a position now,
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especially after the freedom convoy took place,
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Alberta has really been at the lead
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in pushing ahead to truly treating COVID as endemic.
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And I think that there is widespread support
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to, especially that developed
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over the leadership campaign,
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that we don't want to go back
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to the kind of world that we had a year ago.
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We want to make sure that we're going forward,
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protecting our most vulnerable in a different way,
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because we know fall respiratory virus season
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happens every year.
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We know it's dangerous to certain members of our society,
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but we can't be punishing kids.
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We can't be punishing business owners.
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If we've got a problem managing search capacity
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in our health system,
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then that's what we have to address.
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And so I think that everybody is of the same mind on that.
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Mistakes were made along the way.
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It was a case of a lot of bad information,
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in my opinion, from our public health officials.
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And that's part of the reason
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why Alberta Health Services is in my sights,
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is that we trusted them.
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We were told we had to listen to the experts,
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and they let us down.
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And because they've let us down,
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now it's time for some major accountability,
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and also some major reforms in how they operate.
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So when you say no more lockdowns,
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no more restrictions,
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vaccine passports are a thing of the past,
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you're confident that members of your cabinet,
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even those that might have been involved
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in previous iterations of that,
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are behind you?
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A hundred percent.
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I can tell you that during the course
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of the leadership campaign,
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we were asked that question along the campaign trail,
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and every leadership candidate said the same thing.
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No more lockdowns.
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So I think that there has definitely been a shift
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in public opinion in our province.
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Maybe it's not as stark in other provinces.
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But certainly in our province,
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there has been a shift that we really do need
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to treat this particular disease and virus as endemic.
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And that's what we're going to do.
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We're going to make that shift.
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Have you heard from anyone in any other provinces,
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not necessarily premiers,
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perhaps MPPs or MLAs in other provinces,
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that are interested in taking things that you've done,
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whether it's on sovereignty
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or on amending the Human Rights Code
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and perhaps bringing them outside of Alberta?
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I had somebody send me a note
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because they were at the PC convention
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in Ontario last weekend,
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which sadly was happening at the same time as ours.
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Premier Ford had invited me to come out
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and I wasn't able to
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because we were at our own convention.
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But Premier Moe was there,
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as well as Premier Houston,
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as well as Premier Higgs.
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And I gather from the feedback that I got
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is that everybody is very much talking about ways
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in which we can coordinate together
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to push back against Ottawa,
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how we can take more autonomy and more authority
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over our own areas of jurisdiction.
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I think a few things will emerge.
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Number one will probably be around issues of immigration
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and making sure that each of us have the ability
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to attract workers from abroad
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that match the needs of our local market.
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I know that we've already seen that
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in Quebec and Manitoba.
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We're talking about that in Alberta
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and other provinces are too.
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I think as well,
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you've seen that we've taken a position
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on COP27 that we've got to be
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at those international forums
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to defend our industry ourselves
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and to talk about alternatives
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and ways to reduce global emissions
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in a way that doesn't harm our economy.
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I think that you'll see that
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there'll be other Premiers
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that will be taking more of a lead
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rather than letting Ottawa
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represent their interests internationally
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because Ottawa doesn't do
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a particularly good job of it.
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I will also be working with Premiers
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Scott Moe and Heather Stephenson,
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hopefully quite closely on a number of issues.
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I already see that Premier Moe and I agree
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on fighting back against the federal government
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on fertilizer mandates that are arbitrary,
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on gun confiscation, which is also arbitrary.
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But I'd like to work with them in partnership
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to see if we can partner with our First Nations
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and Métis to develop an economic corridor
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to Churchill.
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So I sent them a letter asking
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if they'd be interested
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in having Premier Stephenson host us in Churchill
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so that we can understand
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some of the implications there
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if we were to work together
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to develop that corridor
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and the infrastructure along with it.
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So I'm hopeful that we can get that together
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in the coming months as well
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because those are the kind of partnerships
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that I think that we would really
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all be able to benefit from.
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One thing I have to point out,
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and I think it was a combination
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of your comments in your address
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at the UCP AGM
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and also your apology to the unvaccinated.
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I've had people from other countries
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that have been reaching out to me saying,
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who's this Danielle Smith person?
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Who's this?
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And then when they find out
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I've known you for many years,
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they get very impressed with me.
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So thank you for that.
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But there's been a global interest
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in some of the things you're talking about.
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And I was wondering, first off,
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if you'd seen that
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and what you make of it,
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even if your constituency is Alberta.
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Well, my constituency is Alberta.
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And I think that's,
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maybe that's why my comments resonated
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is that I said that
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I take my marching orders
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from Albertans
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and every decision I make
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is going to be
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in the interest of Albertans.
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I think that there has been
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a lot of interference
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in our local decision making
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from our public health agency,
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from the federal government.
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And that stops.
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We're just a different place in Alberta.
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We believe in freedom.
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We believe in free enterprise
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and entrepreneurship.
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We believe in developing our resources
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and getting them to market.
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And we believe in community
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and being able to make decisions
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in the interest of our local communities.
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And maybe that's what's resonated
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that people are starting to say,
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you know what,
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I want my politicians to do the same thing
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in my country or my jurisdiction.
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So if people,
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if that provides some inspiration to others
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so that they can really get back
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to what democracy is supposed to be about,
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which is meeting the needs of people
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close to home,
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the people who elect you,
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then, you know,
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I'm happy to continue
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to provide that leadership.
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But those are where
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my marching orders come from,
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is that I will always put Alberta first.
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I don't think anybody doubts that now.
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And that means that from time to time,
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it's going to put us in conflict
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with the federal government
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who has quite different aspirations.
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There was a New York court decision
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that came out a few days back
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that said anyone who was fired
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for a vaccine mandate
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should receive back pay.
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Is that aspect of it
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something you would like to see
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in an Alberta response,
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retroactive pay for time
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that these people
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would have been working
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had they not been put out of work
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because of the mandate?
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I certainly saw that court decision
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and I suspect that we're going to see
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more court decisions
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along those lines.
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I want us to be at the lead
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in making amends
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for some of the harms
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that were caused
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over the last two and a half years.
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So I would have to consult
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with the different departments
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to find out how many staff
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would have been in that position.
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How many did return to work?
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Because a number of them
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did return to work.
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And what the cost implications
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of that would be.
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But I think that the court judgment
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is pretty clear.
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We've got to be mindful of that.
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And also businesses here
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have to be mindful of that as well.
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That I'm still hearing
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that there are some organizations
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that are requiring
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those kind of mandates.
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And I think that that is the first
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of what might be several court decisions
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that end up causing a rethink
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on what has happened
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over the last two and a half years.
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So I want to make sure
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that I'm doing things
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sort of in a legally appropriate way.
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And so I'm just going to wait
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until I get that legal advice.
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But I suspect we're going to see
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more judgments
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like the one we just saw.
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Premier Danielle Smith,
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thank you so much.
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Good to talk to you again.
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Yeah, my pleasure.
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We'll do it.
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I'm sure we'll do it again.
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Thanks, Andrew.
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That was Alberta Premier Danielle Smith
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here on The Andrew Lawton Show.
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Got to wrap things up there.
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But my thank you to all of you
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for tuning into this special
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weekend edition
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of Canada's Most Irreverent Talk Show.
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Back from Ottawa next week
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where I will be covering
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the Public Order Emergency Commission.
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So you won't want to miss that.
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There's been some developments
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in the last couple of days
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that we'll have to update you on
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and then lots more
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in the week ahead.
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So thank you so much.
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Have a great rest of the weekend, everyone.
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