On this week's show, we discuss the fallout from the House of Commons recognition of a Nazi veteran, and why Canada has a long history of softening its stance on Nazi war criminals. We also discuss the E. coli outbreak in Calgary, and whether or not Albertans should get the flu shot.
00:06:09.320I don't know if going viral is hip. Actually, I've never been hip in my life. So no reason to
00:06:13.720start now. But it was an unintentional pun, I assure you. This is, I think, a very important
00:06:18.940point. So what we heard from Premier Danielle Smith and Health Minister Adriana LaGrange,
00:06:23.600some people are taking from it that they don't intend to get boosted at all, which I would say
00:06:29.280is probably a fair assumption. But I think Danielle Smith's point here is an incredibly valid one.
00:06:34.160this is none of the media's business and I think it was actually quite something when politicians
00:06:40.680started making it everyone's business and when we introduced this litmus test into politics that we
00:06:46.660and into society that we decide and define someone's worth based on whether they've had
00:06:52.660this particular vaccine and how many boosters they've gotten and now I mean you may be able to
00:06:57.440tell that it probably tells you something about someone if you find out that they've had you know
00:07:02.560their 19th booster or whatever. And then you could perhaps suggest that maybe they're an
00:07:06.380Ottawa school trustee. But the point of this is that we are looking at a situation in which
00:07:12.220there is the closest I've seen from a politician on a return to normal post-COVID. Because it used
00:07:19.360to be back in the good old days, by which I mean 2019 and earlier, that I didn't know my doctor's
00:07:25.120political views. I didn't need to know my doctor's political views. And I didn't need to know if
00:07:30.200anyone around me had received a vaccine for whatever, whether it was measles, mumps, rubella,
00:07:35.680COVID or HPV or anything else. And I loved that. I loved when it was just a personal choice that
00:07:42.360you made and it was none of anyone else's business. But then politicians started to
00:07:47.120take personal pride in how many of their citizens they could convince or later coerce to get the
00:07:53.380vaccine. So they started just, you know, sitting down, rolling up their sleeves, getting this shot,
00:07:57.520that shot, this booster, that booster, and then the new booster comes out. So they've got to sit
00:08:01.840down and get that. And now, I mean, they're making them available for people who want them.
00:08:06.320I think the fact that the health minister and premier are not telling people to do it,
00:08:10.280they weren't even the ones talking about it. It was some reporter that said, hey,
00:08:14.180what are you doing for people that want it? It's there for those who want it. And for those who
00:08:19.600don't, they have no obligation to get it. And I think this is absolutely the way it should be.
00:08:25.440And I, you know, I don't even think a lot of the really alarmist types that we see in political leadership positions or running public health departments are really trying as hard anymore, because I think they know that most people are just rolling their eyes.
00:08:38.860And the COVID vaccine has basically become like the flu shot, where if you really want it, maybe you'll do it. If you're somewhere where it's being offered to you, maybe you'll get it. But it's not this thing that you need to do that your existence depends on.
00:08:52.960And, you know, we've seen time and time again over the last three years when the goalposts have moved and, you know, it was two weeks to flatten the curve.
00:09:01.380It was get your two doses and then your third.
00:09:03.280And then, you know, Emmanuel Macron, I think it was, was saying that we should all just get boosted every three months.
00:09:07.920I don't know if he's been keeping up with that himself, but I think generally speaking, a lot of these people are prepared to let it die on the order paper.
00:09:15.700And when Daniel Smith responds, I'm healthy. My immune system's good. I'm going to talk about this with my doctor and not with the media. That is the point. And, you know, for Minister LaGrange to follow up with a similar answer and instill in people that this is a personal choice.
00:09:32.180The government of Alberta has no care whatsoever about whether or not you get the COVID vaccine, or if I'm reading between the lines, any other vaccines.
00:09:42.540That is the question of choice that should have been the guiding principle throughout the entirety of the pandemic.
00:09:49.900Now, I should say, speaking of Danielle Smith, a bit of an announcement to make.
00:09:54.100I teased this earlier in the week, whether it was yesterday or Tuesday, I can't recall.
00:09:58.840but you may recall true north is hosting its first ever live and in-person event this is
00:10:04.660taking place on october 21st in calgary and it is going to be a lot of fun we'll have lots of
00:10:10.600the true north personalities you know and hopefully love i'll be there harrison faulkner will be there
00:10:15.720rupa subramania rachel emmanuel who is now on maternity leave but is returning just for us and
00:10:22.300i should say just for you so you'll want to go to that and we were originally the a-listers but
00:10:27.260we've been demoted a little bit on the website because we have a new a-lister our keynote speaker
00:10:32.120which has just been announced right this second by me is alberta premier danielle smith yes danielle
00:10:40.440smith i i left an applause break even though i can't hear you but danielle smith is going to be
00:10:45.160the keynote speaker at that event and we also have some more folks we're going to be announcing as
00:10:49.580well but if you want to come out and hear premier danielle smith speak she's always been a big
00:10:54.720supporter of Independent Media and of True North and has always made time for us when we've asked.
00:10:59.860And as you know, I have worked with her over the years before her return to politics. We were
00:11:04.480colleagues on the same radio station in Calgary, and I was actually her guest host, which my joke
00:11:10.660that I'll have to retire because I've used it like four times now is that I'm actually, based on that
00:11:15.060arrangement, the acting premier of Alberta when she's indisposed, although I'm not sure the
00:11:18.900Constitution of Canada necessarily agrees with me. But nevertheless, you can get all the details at
00:11:24.580truenorthevents.ca truenorthevents.ca and i hope to see many of you there i suspect there might be
00:11:31.040a bit of a flurry of ticket sales now so because we have only a limited number available i would
00:11:36.880encourage you to get in now if you want to come out and have a good time and we're going to try
00:11:42.800to make politics a little bit fun and interesting i realize that sometimes it can get very dark and
00:11:47.740dismal and dirgy we're going to keep it fun we've got a few tricks up our sleeve for you and i think
00:11:53.760you'll have a great deal of fun, as I certainly hope to as well, putting it on. So I'm not really
00:11:58.760putting it on. I'm just showing up. My colleagues are the ones doing all the heavy lifting on that.
00:12:02.720But I think it was interesting and timed out very well with Danielle Smith saying what she did. I've
00:12:07.580seen in the comments some people that are really quite wowed by this because, you know, Danielle
00:12:13.060Smith came in and she followed a government under Jason Kenney that was a very popular government
00:12:20.080among Conservatives when he was first elected. He did this uniting the right thing. And then
00:12:25.500COVID came. And COVID was the great derailer of politicians and their agendas. I mean,
00:12:31.640you look at Ontario. I ran to be a member of the Ontario legislature in 2018. And had I been
00:12:38.480elected, I would have been, I mean, my hope would be that I would have found the courage and
00:12:42.100backbone to be kicked out of caucus like Roman Babber and other folks as well. And Belinda
00:12:47.520Karahalios, another example. But Doug Ford, I think without COVID, probably goes through that
00:12:53.260first term without much controversy, viewed somewhat favorably by conservatives. Jason
00:12:58.300Kenney, I know there were already some frustrations, especially on the Western Independence file,
00:13:03.440but I think he gets through his term, certainly without the leadership review coming at the time
00:13:08.180that it did. I think he would have survived a vote like that had it not been for COVID. So
00:13:12.840because of that, there's been this correction. And that correction is what's brought Danielle
00:13:18.400Smith in Alberta. That correction, I think, is what's brought Pierre Polyev in the federal
00:13:23.840environment. And I think that's a very important thing that we need to keep an eye on here.
00:13:28.600I did want to talk a little bit more about the recognition last week of Yaroslav Hunka,
00:13:34.420the Ukrainian veteran with the 14th Waffen Grenadier Division in the SS. This is a story
00:13:42.120that has brought tremendous shame and embarrassment on Canada. We had Justin Trudeau yesterday issue
00:13:48.220a half-hearted apology. It wasn't an apology on behalf of his government, but an apology on behalf
00:13:54.140of Canada and Canadians, even though I can safely say I did not invite a Nazi to stand and receive
00:14:00.740a standing ovation in the House of Commons. That was not me at all. So I don't actually shoulder a
00:14:05.920bit of that apology. But it has brought about, I think, a bigger discussion in this country,
00:14:11.220certainly one that I've been aware of with my studies on Holocaust history,
00:14:15.740and that is how Canada for many years had a reputation as being a haven for Nazi war criminals.
00:14:22.580This was something that renowned Nazi hunter Simon Wiesenthal pointed out.
00:14:26.760It was something that ultimately led to a report being commissioned in the 80s called the Shane Commission.
00:14:33.440And this report was not nearly as forceful as it needed to have been,
00:14:37.660And I think received a lot of criticism, but none more than the fact that the second part of the report, which actually had very detailed information about Nazis in Canada, has never in the last 37 years seen the light of day.
00:14:52.440There have been calls, notably from Jewish advocacy groups, to release it.
00:14:57.660Chrystia Freeland was asked this week whether the government would reopen it and just gave that very dancing around answer of,
00:15:04.120well, you know, we're sorry and we have to, you know, look into everything and didn't really address this issue head on.
00:15:10.900The challenge is that if you are talking about justice, which is really what motivates people that want to unearth the identities
00:15:19.180and names of Nazi war criminals who fled prosecution,
00:15:22.800it becomes more and more difficult, if not impossible, with each passing year.
00:15:27.760The people that were around are very old.
00:15:30.120Most of them have died, and even the ones who are still alive
00:15:33.480will oftentimes find treatment is given to them
00:15:37.360specifically because of the rage that does not pursue justice.
00:15:40.920This is a case we've seen time and time again.
00:15:43.720But do we have a right as Canadians to see this report?
00:15:49.000That is a very key question that I hope we get some answers on.
00:15:51.940I want to talk about this a little bit further with Richard Robertson, who is the research
00:15:55.960manager at B'nai B'rith and joins me now.
00:22:45.060And this Yaroslav Hanka business has, I think, reinvigorated that very discussion.
00:22:50.340And I want to go back to what Krista Freeland said yesterday.
00:22:53.340You have to hear just how little of anything resembling something even close
00:22:58.280to an answer there is when she's asked if the government will reopen this report.
00:23:05.400There are calls by B'nai B'rith to reopen a report by the Duchesne Commission so that Canadians can know how many veterans who fought with the Nazis are here in our country.
00:23:15.640Will the government do so, and what is your response to that?
00:23:19.100I think, you know, let me just start by reiterating,
00:23:32.300and I don't think it can be said too many times,
00:23:36.960how hurtful for so many people in Canada and around the world
00:23:45.520And what happened was and has been and continues to be.
00:23:56.940As MPs, in our capacity as MPs, it's important for appropriate next steps in the House to
00:24:57.180But, you know, do you see another explanation for why they wouldn't release it than that,
00:25:02.520that it just highlights government inaction on this file over decades?
00:25:05.840Yeah, and the troubling thing, Andrew, is that it is over a series of decades. This has been an
00:25:11.840ongoing saga, which our organization has been directly involved in since the 1980s. B'nai
00:25:18.500Brith was represented by David Matus at the Duchesne Commission in the 1980s and has been
00:25:24.200advocating with increasing vigor for the last number of years to finally give Canadians what
00:25:30.380they're due, which is access to this information.
00:25:34.160One of the challenges here, and I alluded to this earlier, is that, you know, with each
00:25:38.020passing year, it becomes harder and harder to get justice.
00:25:42.160I mean, there was the Helmut Oberlander case not far from me in southwestern Ontario, where
00:25:46.440we had a guy who had served in a very brutal Nazi unit, irrespective of what his individual
00:25:52.320actions were, which there's debate about.
00:25:55.000He lied when coming to Canada, which regardless of what you've done is that the slam dunk
00:26:00.460And it took decades, I mean, like a decade and a half, I think, of litigation.
00:26:05.120He was ordered deported, overturned, over-deported, citizenship stripped, all of that.
00:26:09.860And in the end of it, he dies in Canada because the process, when you get to a certain age,
00:26:14.000is just to prolong, prolong, prolong so nothing can happen.
00:26:17.660I mean, here we have, I mean, Yaroslav Hanke last week is 98 years old.
00:26:22.440That's probably going to be about what any of these other folks you'd get are here.
00:26:26.800So do you think the government's hiding behind that in a way and that, you know, wait until there's really no action that it could take because everyone's dead?
00:26:35.480Well, it's one thing to, you know, refrain from extraditing an individual because of their age.
00:26:40.380And that's an entirely different question.
00:26:42.620But it's another thing to deny Canadians access to their past.
00:26:47.380With each passing day, we lose the opportunity to seek justice, as you discussed.
00:26:52.360We also lose the opportunity to educate as time continues to pass the amount of analysis that we can do.
00:27:00.800The relevancy of the material which is presently being denied to Canadians arguably loses some of its value.
00:27:08.940While we still have both survivors and the persecutors from the era of the Nazi regime alive,
00:27:16.400It's quintessential that we have access to this information, not only so that we can seek justice, so that we can provide those few survivors who remain with some sense of confidence that their nation is doing the right thing.
00:27:31.260Why did the government, it seems, kind of carve out an exemption to its approach on Nazis seeking to move to Canada with the Ukrainian veterans?
00:27:43.360Why did they get kind of a pass effectively?
00:27:46.700That's an interesting question, Andrew. One whose answers likely exist within the documents on redaction we are presently calling for. I think that there's a logical answer, which is that there was a large Ukrainian population in Canada at that time.
00:28:06.920There was documents open to the public from the British government in the 2000s, I believe in 2005, that suggest that the British government housed a large portion of the Galician division of Ukrainian POWs and that they were looking to send them either to Canada or back to Germany.
00:28:28.320there is really no justification or no known answer as to why Canada ended up taking these
00:28:36.200Ukrainian POWs in at the time and providing them with refuge. We do believe, though, that
00:28:43.980portions of the commission and of the documents made available to commission, principally the
00:28:50.280Rodau report, which has only been released in redacted form, do further explain the rationale
00:28:56.880behind Canada's policy making when it came to the admittance of Nazis. So these are questions
00:29:02.820that we hope to be able to answer once we successfully have this archive open to the
00:29:07.800public. I think anyone who's ever studied Holocaust history and post-war history knows that
00:29:14.200most of the world, I think, failed when it came to the obligation to take in Jewish refugees.
00:29:20.700There were very few people that came. I mean, China, oddly, did very well in its efforts to
00:29:26.020help Jews during the Holocaust, but Canada slammed the door in Jewish refugees' faces
00:29:30.100and, you know, ultimately later on became very lax on allowing in former Nazis.
00:29:35.300And I'm curious if Canada is worse than everyone else or if everyone was equally bad based
00:29:41.880on what we know now with the benefit of hindsight.
00:29:45.700I would say that when you started by commenting that the world failed, that the world did
00:29:53.540However, as a Canadian organization representing grassroots Canadian Jewry and mandated to combat racism, hatred, and anti-Semitism here in Canada, in all of its forms, our focus is on Canada, and Canada failed.
00:30:08.340The moniker None is Too Many symbolizes Canada's failure to admit Jewish refugees seeking to escape Nazi persecution in the 30s and the 40s to this country.
00:30:20.240What transpired on our shores was unacceptable.
00:30:23.540And we are doing an additional disservice to the victims of the Nazis, those who we sent back to the concentration camps when we admit they're persecutors to our country and then ultimately fail to learn from that.
00:30:41.600Right now, we have a spotlight on this issue in Canada and, you know, once again, around the world.
00:30:48.500Are you more optimistic now that you'll be able to get what you want and get this report unredacted now in light of all of this than you've had success or the lack of success you've had in recent years on this and even going back to the 80s?
00:31:01.960I think that optimism is a strong term, Andrew, but we're hopeful.
00:31:07.540If a silver lining can come from this parliamentary debacle and that silver lining is that the Deschenes Commission is released its reports and its reports are released in their entirety and Canada's Holocaust records are open to the public, then that would be a small victory for us.
00:31:29.720It will also be bittersweet as this is something that as representatives of Canada's Jewish community, we've been advocating for vigorously for a number of years now.
00:31:41.300And sadly, our efforts have fallen on deaf ears.
00:31:44.660So for it to take a member of the Waffen-SS being granted a standing ovation in our parliament for this to be given what it's deserved, that is bittersweet.
00:31:57.400Yeah, and I think that's a very fair way of putting it.
00:32:00.460I'm glad we were able to sort out the connection issues.
00:32:03.020Richard Robertson, Research Manager with B'nai B'rith Canada.
00:32:22.500Or if, conversely, you're trying to get out of a work Zoom meeting,
00:32:25.220you can switch to the bad network and then blame those issues as well but you didn't get that advice
00:32:30.180from me i mentioned that yesterday justin trudeau did like the thing that i joke about like i
00:32:36.460literally joked about this on the show probably on monday maybe tuesday the thing that justin
00:32:42.100trudeau does whenever he's caught and it becomes a learning opportunity for everyone he's in black
00:32:46.720face well we all need to do better about racism he gropes a reporter in bc well we all need to
00:32:52.780learn more about boundaries. He vacations with the Aga Khan. Well, we all need to take a look
00:32:57.180in the mirror and wonder what it is to be friends and all that. And lo and behold, doesn't he issue
00:33:02.500an apology, not on his own behalf, but on behalf of Canadians. And while he's at it, he throws in
00:33:10.020a little bit of a jab at Russia inexplicably. I also want to reiterate how deeply sorry Canada
00:33:17.240is for the situation this put President Zelenskyy and the Ukrainian delegation in.
00:33:23.400It is extremely troubling to think that this egregious error
00:33:27.780is being politicized by Russia and its supporters
00:33:31.660to provide false propaganda about what Ukraine is fighting for.
00:33:37.880Friday's joint session was about what Canada stands for.
00:33:43.280it's about canada apologizing canada is sorry justin trudeau's not sorry canada is sorry so
00:33:53.500you as a presumably canadian watching this you're like well hang on i i didn't do it i i didn't i
00:33:59.140didn't stand up for the guy i didn't invite the guy why why am i sorry for it but this is the i
00:34:04.280mean the the successes are won individually the failures are born collectively that is the
00:34:11.300Justin Trudeau mantra, if ever there was one. Pierre Polyev saw through this yesterday in the
00:34:17.920House of Commons. He tried to get a personal apology from Justin Trudeau. It, well, didn't
00:34:24.140really work out. It was the personal responsibility of the Prime Minister to invite President
00:34:33.820Zelensky to the floor of this House of Commons. It was his personal responsibility to make sure
00:34:38.240was a diplomatic success. It was his personal responsibility to continue to lead the government
00:34:44.640that has the security, intelligence and diplomatic agencies that could have and should have vetted
00:34:52.960all individuals who were present and recognized. Yet this Prime Minister allowed for a monumental
00:35:01.680unprecedented and global shame to unfold in this chamber. Will he take personal responsibility
00:35:08.520for this shame and personally apologize on behalf of himself?
00:35:13.500On behalf of all of us in this House, I would like to present unreserved apologies for what
00:35:24.120took place on Friday and to President Zelensky and the Ukrainian delegation for the position
00:35:30.340they were put in. For all of us who were present to have unknowingly recognized this individual
00:35:36.120was a terrible mistake and a violation of the memory of those who suffered
00:35:41.040grievously at the hands of the Nazi regime.
00:35:47.180That is, it's just great. Will you personally apologize? Let me apologize on behalf of, I mean
00:35:53.240that one was at least on behalf of everyone in the House of Commons. That wasn't the
00:35:56.940apology on behalf of Canada. So that was an apology diffused only 338 ways. The other apology
00:36:04.640was diffused like 37 million ways. So that's basically where things are going here. I've
00:36:11.840mentioned this point throughout the week, and I want to delve into it in a bit more detail if I
00:36:15.480can in these closing moments, that of all the MPs in the House of Commons who stood up and applauded
00:36:21.640without really twigging to the, wait a minute, World War II fought against Russia, something
00:36:28.560doesn't add up there. The one who would have known was Chrystia Freeland. Now, this is the
00:36:35.700Deputy Prime Minister of this country, and people may not be fond of what she stands for or how she
00:36:40.700presents herself on a number of issues, but she is an incredibly smart woman. She's incredibly
00:36:46.880well educated she knows her stuff and she knows ukraine she knows ukraine's history she knows
00:36:52.800world war ii as it relates to ukraine she knows soviet history she spent time in the soviet union
00:36:58.800she's got a pad in ukraine she knows this back to front she speaks the language she knows the
00:37:06.000players when you've seen that photo of her hugging zelensky you see how much of an affinity she has
00:37:13.120for ukraine and i think many canadians would encourage her to move to ukraine and take up
00:37:18.720service in the government there that might be helpful on some files in canada nevertheless
00:37:23.840she knows this so if there's one person in the house of commons who lacks the deniability to
00:37:30.160say well how are we to know it would be her now we've learned a little bit more in recent days
00:37:36.000one thing that jumps out is that yaroslav hunka's family donated thirty thousand dollars to the
00:37:41.520University of Alberta for an endowment fund in Yaroslav and his wife Margaret's name. Now $30,000
00:37:49.720as far as university endowments go is not a huge amount of money. Some of the endowments to the
00:37:54.860Canadian Institute of Ukrainian Studies were in the millions of dollars but it's not something
00:38:00.240that most Canadians could do to write a check for $30,000 to a university. So the fact that this
00:38:05.620happened suggests to me that his family probably was somewhat known in the Ukrainian community,
00:38:12.180at least somewhat. I don't know if Chrystia Freeland knew him or if they knew Chrystia Freeland,
00:38:16.560but I do know that she's been involved with the Institute of Ukrainian Studies,
00:38:20.660has had this family. So perhaps they've crossed paths, perhaps they haven't. I don't know.
00:38:26.380But what I do know is that Chrystia Freeland knows this chapter of history very intimately.
00:38:30.980And I've done some digging on this this week, and I found that she had in her youth, and she was 18 years old at the time, I think that needs to be known, she contributed to a journal, to an encyclopedia of Ukraine that was published in 1986, a very seminal piece, and she was a contributor to this.
00:38:49.880Now, the editor, the editor of this encyclopedia is a known Nazi collaborator, a known Nazi collaborator.
00:38:59.740Now, I should qualify that by pointing out that he was deceased at the time the encyclopedia was published.
00:39:07.000Christopher Freeland likely never, ever worked with him, but it was based on his original work in Ukraine, Volodymyr Kubayevich.
00:39:15.820And my pronunciation notwithstanding, he was a Nazi collaborator, an anti-Semite, a proponent of ethnic cleansing, but a scholar whose work founded, whose work basically served as the foundation of the Encyclopedia of Ukraine, which was a product of the Canadian Institute for Ukrainian Studies.
00:39:34.800Chrystia Freeland was a contributor to this.
00:39:36.700Now, her office did something it has not done in years,
00:39:40.040which has responded to me when I asked them for some details on this.
00:39:43.960And they told me that she was a contributor to only a few sections,
00:39:48.780none of which had anything to do with the particular issue at hand,
00:39:57.800They said that she contributed to the entries Hayfields,
00:40:01.800horse breeding, the jute hemp industry, and insurance, not anything to do with the Second
00:40:08.300World War, which is plausible enough. Again, she was an 18-year-old research assistant,
00:40:12.420but she nonetheless contributed to this encyclopedia, which if you look into it,
00:40:17.420has a complete whitewash of the Ukrainian SS Division's role in World War II. For example,
00:40:25.380This SS division is referred to as being the nucleus of Ukrainian independence.
00:40:32.420They're called a German force instead of being part of the Nazi forces.
00:40:39.140They're spoken about as really this germ of Ukrainian nationalism and not as a tool that was very deliberately chosen by German command, by Nazi command, and fondly viewed by Heinrich Himmler.
00:40:52.700One of the most evil Nazis to have existed during this period.
00:40:56.860You see there the Division Galician, that's the Galicia Division,
00:41:01.940as a nucleus of a future army in an independent Ukraine.
00:41:05.940This encyclopedia, which was published 40 years after World War II ended,
00:41:09.860makes no reference to the finding of the SS as a criminal organization at Nuremberg.
00:41:14.980It makes no reference to the accusations of war crimes against Polish civilians
00:41:20.320that have been leveled against this group. It makes no reference whatsoever to the fact that
00:41:25.820it was under Nazi command. Now, again, I am not saying Chrystia Freeland wrote this entry or
00:41:31.600edited it or was involved in this part of it. I'm saying that for the entirety of her adult life,
00:41:37.580she has steeped herself in the history of Ukraine and knows full well the intricacies and complexities
00:41:43.580complexities of this issue. And I spoke to a gentleman who was her advisor on this, who was
00:41:49.840the research supervisor for Chrystia Freeland. And he had said that it was a tremendous shame
00:41:56.140what happened in Parliament on Friday. He said Ukrainians have had to reckon with their history
00:42:00.620and the way they do that is not by standing up and applauding a Nazi. And that is something that
00:42:05.560Chrystia Freeland, better than anyone else, would have, and I suspect, did know full well.
00:42:11.640So with that, you can read the full details at tnc.news.
00:42:15.700I've got the report up there, and I'm very proud of this.
00:42:18.800And I should mention that donation that was made to the University of Alberta,
00:42:23.020the school last night announced it would be returning.
00:42:26.320Now, whether that's fair or appropriate, I'll leave people to decide.
00:42:29.920But all of this has come about just because, for whatever reason,
00:42:34.360we were told to look up to this man in the House of Commons and give a standing ovation.
00:42:38.960And I said earlier this week that there's a part of me that is unsettled by the effect this all has on a family who has done nothing wrong, on people that only know of Jaroslav Junka as a father and a grandfather and now have to see him live his final years on this earth being maligned and denounced as a Nazi.
00:43:01.040But at the same time, people in that family should have understood the complexities of this.
00:43:05.740Yaroslav Junka himself should have understood the complexity of this.
00:43:09.800And the fact that that has not happened has now set this huge chain of events in motion
00:43:15.580that, as we were hearing earlier from our friend at Bnebreth,
00:43:19.660may actually result in a bit more transparency than we've ever been able to have on this file in Canada.