Juno News - Danielle Smith’s Debate Knockout

00:00:00.000 hey everyone welcome back to the alberta roundup we are back for week three of election watch

00:00:19.440 i am once again joined by chris sims that's the alberta director of the canadian taxpayers

00:00:24.600 federation erica broody's a senior advisor on the united conservative party campaign

00:00:29.880 and evan benzes he's a senior campaign strategist with crestview strategies and the ucp's former of

00:00:36.660 director of communications we head to them now to discuss this week on the alberta election campaign

00:00:41.980 so one of the first things that i wanted to talk to you all about this week is the compassionate

00:00:45.980 intervention act danielle smith kicked off the campaign on monday with this huge announcement 0.99

00:00:51.380 in my opinion it is one of the biggest policies the party has announced so far

00:00:55.980 basically what it would do is it would force addicts who are a danger to themselves or to others

00:01:01.240 into some type of recovery now we know that the government was looking at this because that was

00:01:06.020 leaked by a tip request from the globe and mail this is a huge policy from the government it shows that

00:01:11.020 they are really taking the addictions crisis seriously but of course it is not without

00:01:14.780 controversy erica can you tell me a little bit about what the reception to this policy has been

00:01:20.000 yeah well i definitely think you're right it was a very moving um announcement on monday definitely

00:01:26.280 you know there was a lot of stakeholders there from the community people that are uh you know

00:01:31.240 are struggling with addiction speaking out in support of this um so i do think you know it creates a

00:01:37.500 position where the ndp is in quite a different contrast they're not taking a compassionate approach

00:01:42.620 for um addicts and getting them off the street so everyone can can feel safe um you know i think it

00:01:48.100 landed very well i think people were receptive um to this this movement because public safety is such

00:01:53.660 a critical thing that everyone is facing right now and in order to do that we need to get to

00:01:58.080 the root cause which is is dealing with those the addiction and mental health crisis erica you're

00:02:03.800 absolutely right the premier was surrounded by former addicts and families that have been touched

00:02:07.980 by addiction and there were some very moving testimonies on monday i want to play one of those

00:02:12.160 clips for you right now this is from a woman named abby plessa she said she was addicted 0.99

00:02:16.240 to drugs beginning at age 12 and if her family had not received a court order to force her into

00:02:21.060 recovery she believes she was dead so we're going to play that for you now

00:02:24.220 i did start with the use of marijuana at 12 years old and quickly progressed to using methamphetamines

00:02:30.960 and opioids at the age of 14. i was lost alone and hopeless i experienced multiple overdoses suicide

00:02:39.560 attempts trips to the police station and psych ward these visits were short and provided only a

00:02:45.900 temporary solution i had hit i had hit rock bottom and i didn't know how to get back up

00:02:51.880 i truly believed i wasn't going to make it past 16 years of age i hated anyone or anything that stood

00:02:58.960 between myself and my drug use and i was a danger to myself and others living in a world of darkness

00:03:04.280 without a way out then something miraculous happened at the age of 16 my family or my family

00:03:11.840 finally experienced enough pain and had the courage to step into my addiction and get a court order

00:03:16.800 that placed me into detox before entering a long-term treatment program my parents were scared for my

00:03:22.980 life and had no other choice i made multiple stops in the road before this and this final intervention

00:03:29.120 saved my life it allowed them to show me the love and support i needed to overcome my addiction

00:03:34.660 and gave both them and myself the tools and the support to recover

00:03:38.700 i'm proud to say that i'm now 19 years old with three years of sobriety attending school and working

00:03:46.340 towards a degree in nursing i have a great relationship with my family and friends and i

00:03:51.020 i can now live life on life's terms without the use of drugs and alcohol when this policy was first

00:03:56.760 announced we know that ndp leader rachel notley was not a fan of it at the time she said it was too punitive

00:04:02.640 i had the opportunity to ask her on monday how she felt about it and she didn't use

00:04:06.880 quite as strong of language she simply said she didn't think it would work here's what that sounded

00:04:12.320 like hi rachel manual with true north just ahead of this announcement daniel smith announced that a

00:04:17.280 re-elected ucp government would try to pass the compassionate intervention act which essentially

00:04:22.560 force drug addicts into treatment what is your response to this well you know let me start by saying

00:04:29.680 i think we can agree that there needs to be a tremendous amount of work focus and effort

00:04:36.400 from the provincial government whoever it is in terms of addressing this issue because it's it's so

00:04:42.720 critical and so damaging across so many communities and of course most importantly to so many people

00:04:48.960 unfortunately as with the announcement they made last week this was another example of daniel smith

00:04:55.360 making an announcement without first talking with the experts and the people on the front line who

00:05:01.280 are confronting this problem and as a result uh she doesn't have the support of those folks and the

00:05:07.040 idea doesn't have the support of those folks and and it's another reason why uh we can't really trust

00:05:12.080 her leadership uh i think the the uh plan that they have uh to invest in more uh recovery is excellent

00:05:21.360 i think the plan they have to eliminate the accommodation fee is excellent uh but i think

00:05:27.680 that unfortunately the the rest of it and the failure to to take a more comprehensive approach

00:05:33.440 um is going to lead to a a failure to succeed i'm afraid and and that is coming from folks on the

00:05:41.040 front line who we've been engaging with uh quite extensively for some time on this issue evan i want

00:05:47.440 to go to you next with the polls being so close do you think this is a policy that will resonate with

00:05:52.400 moderates in calgary that are feeling unsafe given the amount of violent criminal activity we're seeing

00:05:57.680 in the city right now especially along the transit lines yeah it uh you know there's a pretty obvious

00:06:03.680 contrast that uh united conservatives have when it comes to addictions treatment versus the ndp uh during

00:06:09.120 their term uh they focus very heavily on so-called safe supply which certainly uh makes sure that the

00:06:17.360 drugs that folks are using um aren't as dangerous but it does nothing to help them in their long-term

00:06:24.080 recovery and so i i think united conservatives and danielle smith should be applauded they're

00:06:28.160 actually trying to save people's lives uh making sure that they have pathways to recovery and some

00:06:34.000 folks simply just no longer have the capacity to help themselves and so i think this policy

00:06:40.720 is worth trying and it's it's it's a serious issue it's one that obviously has something to do with

00:06:45.840 safety but i think more importantly just has to do with um seeing each individual in society as someone

00:06:51.680 of value and and worth uh saving and rehabilitating so i i think it was a great announcement i think

00:06:56.960 it's something that albertans should be proud of and uh it shouldn't be non-partisan i think the ndp

00:07:01.520 should also take a serious look at the ucp approach absolutely just when we talk about safe supply i

00:07:07.360 just want to mention for my viewers that rachel not it was also asked about that at a press conference

00:07:11.360 on monday and she's doing her best to distance herself from her past comments supporting safe

00:07:15.520 supply saying that an ndp government isn't really interested in that she's actually been fairly

00:07:19.760 supportive of what the ucp government has done on the addictions file such as removing the 40 a day fee

00:07:26.160 for care she's touted those as being good policies but she did say you know she's not really in

00:07:30.800 agreement with this forced treatment she doesn't think it's going to work so whether she's actually

00:07:34.320 changed her stance on that or if she's just trying to appeal to moderates is definitely something that

00:07:38.880 you the viewer can ask yourself and i think you can probably figure out the answer the next thing that

00:07:43.360 i want to move to now is the polling numbers so last weekend as we were headed into the weekend

00:07:47.840 some polling numbers came out that had some of the conservatives i talked to a little bit nervous

00:07:52.400 they were showing a consistent upwards trend for the alberta ndp and conservatives were starting to

00:07:57.120 wonder if they had something to worry about on the ground then come monday a new poll was leaked from

00:08:02.000 janet brown she is the most respected pollster in alberta because she gets it right so often and often 0.56

00:08:08.000 her takes are a lot different than everyone else's she's typically a bit of an outlier but she has a 1.00

00:08:12.400 different method one that reaches more traditional conservative voters for example she makes a really

00:08:18.000 big effort to reach people on landlines and she'll call repeatedly throughout the day to make sure she

00:08:22.160 can get a hold of a wide variety of people so when that poll was released on monday it actually showed

00:08:27.120 56 seats for the ucp compared to the ndp's 31 seats and most notably perhaps it showed that the ucp had

00:08:35.280 51 percent support in in battleground calgary compared to the ndp's 39 so evan i'm going to go to you

00:08:43.120 most of the other polls have been showing you know a little bit up for the ucp a little bit down for

00:08:47.520 the ndp vice versa this was definitely an outlier how are things looking for the ucp right now

00:08:54.320 yeah you know i it really comes down to ground game now but i think the ucp should feel optimistic

00:08:59.440 about uh some of the trend lines that we've seen him pulling uh there's a couple of posters that i

00:09:03.760 watched i think have a lot of credibility one was the janet brown one that you you mentioned on the

00:09:07.760 lead in here but also i saw ipsos came up this week and showed that there is a lead for the ucp in

00:09:13.920 calgary that rachel notley's numbers aren't as hot as the ndp campaign seems to want to suggest so

00:09:21.280 i think there's a couple of really good fundamentals and trend lines for the ucp now there's we're in

00:09:25.600 the final stretch here i think uh you know i'm sure we'll talk about in a bit but the the debate this

00:09:30.000 week i think the ndp kind of missed their window to uh dislodge any ucp voters from the danielle smith

00:09:36.720 camp and to create any kind of wave of undecideds in their direction so for both teams now i think

00:09:42.720 ucp have some reason to be confident but they really gotta hustle on their ground game advanced

00:09:47.360 polls open next week and that will be the focus and i i really believe if the ucp can get their

00:09:53.200 vote motivated and to turn out that they'll have a good night on election night and chris you're based

00:09:58.640 down in lethbridge but of course you talk to people from all over the province what are you hearing are

00:10:02.960 you noticing any trends in the polling right now so polling to me is kind of wizard magic i know

00:10:09.360 pollsters and the way they're actually able to do this is kind of mind-boggling to me however uh we

00:10:14.640 talk to our supporters all the time within the taxpayers federation and we talk to them about

00:10:19.360 really substantive stuff like balancing the budget cutting taxes making life more affordable and what

00:10:26.560 we're hearing back from our supporters is that same message and so whichever party doesn't matter

00:10:32.800 which penny your color is you know orange blue polka dots if they focus on those issues of

00:10:38.320 affordability of lower taxes and balanced budgets i think that that will really show up in the polls

00:10:46.400 so the next thing i wanted to talk about with you guys is the ethics commissioner report which dropped

00:10:50.720 on thursday just ahead of the debate now there's really two parts to this report the one part of the

00:10:56.320 report is that the ethics commissioner found no evidence of emails from the premier's office to crown

00:11:01.920 prosecutors pressuring them about coots blockade or covet 19 prosecutions that story first broke

00:11:08.000 in january in which cbc news relied on anonymous sources to say the emails existed after they first

00:11:13.760 published the story they then went back and added a note saying that cbc hadn't seen the emails in

00:11:18.080 question so in many regards this report really absolved danielle smith of those claims of those emails

00:11:24.000 existing cbc is the only one to allegedly have that story and these emails no one's been able to find

00:11:29.760 them the non-partisan civil service also conducted a review and did not uncover the email so that

00:11:34.400 was definitely some good news for danielle smith however i noticed that in the legacy media reports of

00:11:39.520 the ethics commissioner they totally bypassed that major omission and seemed to focus on the negative

00:11:44.960 aspects of the report which was that danielle smith was also found guilty of breaching the ethics

00:11:49.920 act because she had talked to justice to her justice minister that's tyler shandro about whether it was

00:11:55.360 still in the public interest to pursue cases relating to covet 19 we know that danielle smith

00:11:59.920 did not approve of the government overreach that we saw during the covet 19 pandemic that is something

00:12:04.480 she campaigned on during the united conservative party leadership race of course the big question

00:12:09.360 here is is this a story that's going to resonate with voters i think if breaches of ethics law did

00:12:14.240 resonate with voters prime minister justin trudeau probably would no longer be prime minister but erica

00:12:19.520 you're in the war room what's your take on this story do you think it's going to impact voters and

00:12:23.040 were you guys surprised that the report dropped on thursday yeah i mean i think it's it's unique

00:12:28.880 and kind of odd um that it would have landed yesterday um i'm really glad we're actually having

00:12:35.280 this conversation because you did mention snc labalin um and other reporters um you know have

00:12:41.600 been talking and comparing the two which is i think absurd you know snc labalin was continuous efforts by

00:12:47.840 the prime minister's office and pressure on the justice minister um and to which they admitted in

00:12:54.480 this case the justice minister tyler shandro said no like as soon as he said that this is not appropriate

00:12:59.280 that that was the end of it where um it's very different i think it's apples and oranges and i

00:13:03.440 don't think it's fair to to compare these two um you know i do think to some degree this is very

00:13:08.480 inside baseball um the ndp were probably celebrating do i think that there is a potential impact

00:13:14.480 absolutely but do i think it's significant um no i don't think it's going to shift supporters

00:13:20.000 um that are already away there might be you know a few undecideds but when people to chris's point go

00:13:26.000 to the ballot uh box on on you know go to cast their ballot on may 29th it is going to be at the

00:13:31.360 end of the day comparison of records of ndp versus um ucp and on those affordability the economy public

00:13:38.800 safety questions and you know if you're if you're comparing that between notley and smith um i don't

00:13:44.800 think it's going to to be the tsn turning point as i've been calling it or what the ndp is trying to

00:13:49.440 make of it yeah i think you're exactly right i think this election really is a ballot box question

00:13:54.800 about which leader do voters trust more do they trust danielle smith despite the ndp's efforts to

00:14:00.080 try to paint her as someone who's crazy and someone who's untrustworthy or are they willing to

00:14:04.000 give the alberta ndp a second chance even though most people who lived in alberta during

00:14:08.080 that period really were not fond of that government evan i want to go to you next so we know that

00:14:12.640 danielle smith is really trying to highlight the positive parts of this report which is that which

00:14:16.400 was that the ethics commissioner didn't find evidence of those emails that was arguably the

00:14:20.720 bigger concern here that she was directly interfering with crown prosecutors we found no evidence of that 1.00

00:14:25.840 do you think she's been successful in changing the channel and highlighting the positive parts of

00:14:29.600 the report or do you think that legacy media's efforts to really just ignore that altogether

00:14:34.000 has kind of overshadowed the premier's efforts yeah i think uh i mean campaigns are weird the one

00:14:41.600 of the advantages was that this happened on debate day as well and so some of the story kind of got

00:14:47.600 weaved into debate coverage which i think was fairly favorable for what the ucp's aims were in

00:14:54.480 yesterday's coverage i i think she's been consistent like if folks heard or saw her clips she got her

00:15:01.520 message out um she recognizes that there are better ways to talk with the justice minister the and she

00:15:08.720 looks forward to work working with the ethics commissioner on on how that should look but i you

00:15:13.440 know i i think erica's right the the huge uh concern and the one that caused a lot of attention uh in

00:15:20.240 the fall and spring legislative sessions was this accusation around being in contact with crown

00:15:25.600 prosecutors and there's still absolutely no tangible evidence that this was the case and i think uh

00:15:32.880 premier smith and the ucp team should be taking some time to walk people through that because that

00:15:38.480 was where everyone was putting all their bluster and energy and there's still nothing to show for it

00:15:45.120 so we've touched a little bit on the debate now i think that would be an important topic for us to

00:15:49.040 go over a little bit i'm under the impression that quite a few albertans actually tuned into

00:15:54.640 thursday night's debate a global ipsos poll that i reported on earlier this week said that about

00:15:59.520 half of albertans were planning to tune in i don't know if the number was quite that high but some

00:16:04.320 ucp volunteers that i've spoken with said that they were door knocking in calgary and every one

00:16:09.120 of three houses that they went to were watching the debate during the hours that it was playing so

00:16:13.200 that's pretty significant we know that danielle smith needed to deliver during that debate 1.00

00:16:18.080 erica i'm gonna go to you first what's your take on the debate did danielle smith get her message

00:16:22.080 across and was there a clear victor yeah i mean i think rachel notley is a strong debater and she 0.56

00:16:27.920 she did hold her own to to some degree but i do think danielle smith took it i was in the war room

00:16:33.680 and we were all smiling uh at the end of of this debate you know there is a huge population of

00:16:38.720 undecided a little bit higher one-fifth of the population so i do think that this debate was

00:16:43.600 important um for those undecideds and it did really secure the base i mean i think danielle smith

00:16:49.280 nailed a lot of it some of her points on health care and education uh you know items that typically 0.96

00:16:54.880 the ndp should kind of dominate um pushback um you know rachel notley was was on the on her heels for 1.00

00:17:02.480 a lot of the debates so i do think that danielle smith drove her message she showed too in contrast 1.00

00:17:07.760 to the rachel notley attack style we saw um she showed premiership she showed stateswoman um she came

00:17:15.120 off very confident and confident and i think that that's a big thing that people want to see in who

00:17:20.640 they're going to vote for for the next premier and she she called the the ndp out on their disastrous 1.00

00:17:26.400 record um which is a good reminder for for albertans too as they head to the polls yeah of course danielle

00:17:32.240 smith and rachel notley both have so much experience public speaking but i felt that rachel notley was a

00:17:37.040 bit caught off guard she seemed a little bit rattled when she started she had to kind of check her notes

00:17:40.880 repeatedly in her introduction remarks she did seem to kind of catch up a little bit later but she was

00:17:46.160 on the back foot and i felt like she was responding to a lot of what the premier was laying down

00:17:50.160 she did have one attack she tried to bring up danielle smith's floor crossing days we're going to play 1.00

00:17:54.720 that for you now uh yes well i mean i think the fundamental problem here is that albertans are

00:17:59.360 deeply concerned at the notion of a danielle smith led government reforming health care in any way

00:18:05.120 shape or form she claims she's guaranteed that nobody will ever pay for a doctor but you know 0.99

00:18:10.240 miss smith uh i was with you in the legislature in 2014 you stood up and you guaranteed you would

00:18:16.000 never cross the floor three weeks later you crossed the floor your understanding of the

00:18:21.040 word guarantee is very different than that of most albertans and most people are deeply deeply troubled

00:18:28.000 at the prospect of you reforming health care based on your 15 year record of advocating to make

00:18:35.280 people pay out of pocket chris this was just so funny to me because i doubt that people

00:18:39.840 who would vote for the ndp really care about daniel smith's floor crossing days in fact most of the

00:18:44.560 people who are really upset about the floor crossing were people that were able to forgive

00:18:48.400 danielle smith after years of listening to her on the radio and then turned out to vote for her

00:18:52.880 in the ucp leadership race so i'm not sure that conversation is super pertinent

00:18:56.640 to a general election right now but what's your take on it that's a great question so i do still hear

00:19:01.920 it mentioned uh but it's in the same context that you just raised it's like oh well you know have we

00:19:06.640 forgiven her or not and those typically how do i put this they're typically not your ndp voter who

00:19:12.320 are talking about that it's usually those who would be assumed to be a right of center or ucp style

00:19:19.040 voter and so i found it interesting that ms notley tried to bring that up what i found super weird

00:19:25.040 just as somebody who's observed politics my entire life and moved here from british columbia is that

00:19:30.160 pre notley was a former premier and it was strange not to hear the well when i was in the job i did

00:19:37.360 this this this and this if you're applying for a job again you'd usually be like hey boss these are the

00:19:43.440 things that i achieved while on the job and i did so well you should hire me again it was very

00:19:48.400 interesting to not hear that kind of language coming from ms notley and again i was really happy

00:19:55.360 from a taxpayer's perspective to hear the issues of balanced budgets fuel taxes carbon taxes all of

00:20:02.320 those big meat and potato affordability issues talked about at length there wasn't a lot of

00:20:08.000 wasn't a lot of interruption wasn't a lot of crosstalk they didn't waste a lot of time i actually

00:20:12.880 wished it was about half an hour longer yeah i think you raise a really good point i think it could

00:20:17.440 have been a little bit longer especially because there was so many commercial breaks and you raise a

00:20:21.600 point that we had a we had a live show over at true north discussing the debate we discussed

00:20:25.440 extensively rachel notley doesn't seem interested in running on her record as premier she seems to

00:20:30.400 be sort of appealing to the moderates right now and you're right she didn't bring up her record as

00:20:33.680 premier because i think it was a very unpopular time for the ndp in the party's history now one of

00:20:39.440 the other things we discussed in our pre-show was who was going to go for the jugular first and i said

00:20:44.080 it would be pretty hard for rachel notley not to go for the jugular because their whole campaign 1.00

00:20:48.320 has been really negative campaigning strategies so how can you all of a sudden switch when your

00:20:52.640 talking points are basically based on a lot of lies or at least regurgitating things that daniel

00:20:57.440 smith discussed in her podcast at some point but not policy she's actually put forward in her position

00:21:02.720 as an elected official that being said daniel smith did have one little zinger when rachel notley

00:21:07.920 accused her of breathing ethics law the premier responded well at least one of my ndp one of my mlas

00:21:14.000 didn't hack the vaccine portal system we're going to play that one for you now the other thing

00:21:18.000 i would say i've been in office since 2008 i have never actually breached the conflict of interest

00:21:24.000 legislation ms smith cannot say the same well i guess i guess you're you did have an mla who hacked

00:21:29.040 our healthcare system i can i can tell you do you really want to talk about i can tell you in our mlas

00:21:35.120 seriously i do not think you're going to win that one yeah i have to tell you what you want to do i have

00:21:39.200 to tell you when i'm putting together our affordability payments to have to ask whether it was going to be

00:21:43.920 hack proof from the ndp that's not something that ms notley should be very proud of what i all will

00:21:48.880 also say is that when she came out with her costing document it was almost immediately discredited

00:21:53.920 because todd hirsch said he hadn't done the analysis on what kind of impact it would have

00:21:59.440 on chasing away investment others did trevor toome did jack mince did there are several business

00:22:05.120 reporters who did the alberta chamber of commerce did and what they have said is that would create

00:22:10.000 instability and the instability would chase additional investment out it would chase jobs

00:22:15.520 out and we would go back and have a rerun of what we did in the period of time that ms notley doesn't

00:22:19.520 want to talk about which was when she was premier evan what did you make of this little exchange this

00:22:23.200 to me was one of the funniest moments of the debates and i think it really appealed to danielle's

00:22:27.440 supporters yeah 100 listen um one of the things that doesn't get the amount of media coverage

00:22:35.680 uh that it deserves is the ndp bench is incredibly weak and they have no shortage of controversies or

00:22:42.640 issues i know the media like to focus on on the ucp ucp side um but yeah uh thomas dang uh with is

00:22:51.600 trying to get involved uh hack whatever you call the ethical hacking of the health system with the former

00:22:58.480 premier's uh data i think uh they've got countless examples of when she was in charge of errors with her 0.96

00:23:04.960 caucus i mean for goodness sakes they have four candidates right now who seem to be promoting or

00:23:10.960 avowed communists uh an ideology that killed hundreds of millions in the last uh century so

00:23:17.680 they have some issues on their bench and i think daniel smith and ucp are definitely wise to highlight it

00:23:25.680 okay well i think that's a great place to leave it for today thank you so much for joining me this week

00:23:29.520 and we'll see you guys all next week okay everyone and before we head out i'm just going to do a quick

00:23:34.960 comment roundup from last week's episode in which we discussed danielle smith missing out on some of

00:23:39.920 the campaign to fight fires and rachel notley's negative campaigning cheryl roy says daniel smith is

00:23:46.560 too much a lady to use the slandering insults that notley throws at danielle smith what do you guys 1.00

00:23:52.320 think about that why do you think daniel smith hasn't returned the alberta ndps negative campaigning

00:23:57.360 barking lizard said please keep up your good work and expand your reach life is better when people

00:24:02.000 are informed we are always trying to expand our reach by sharing our show across many platforms

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00:24:17.600 once bill c11 crtc regulations come into place we won't be too hindered by that and finally user

00:24:24.400 derek boychuck said maybe send a request over to the ndp group asking for a list of questions

00:24:29.280 considered acceptable to be asked or a list of answers that no questions have been asked yet

00:24:34.800 yes i think that you are exactly right i think that's what they want me to do they want me to

00:24:38.240 get my questions approved in advance it's probably why they only really want mainstream media reporters

00:24:42.880 asking them questions because they all kind of ask the same thing and their questions are usually

00:24:47.120 pretty irrelevant to the ongoing election campaign usually it just has something to do with the latest hit

00:24:52.560 piece on danielle smith or some other candidate from comments they made a bajillion years ago okay

00:24:58.720 guys that's all we have time for today thank you so much for tuning in to this week's episode of the

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Juno News - May 20, 2023

Danielle Smith’s Debate Knockout

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