Juno News - January 18, 2024Davos Day 4 ｜ Online censorship finds a home at WEF
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Day 4 of the World Economic Forum in Davos, where Davos is hosting the world's most powerful and influential people. In this episode, Andrew Lawton talks about the importance of freedom of speech and what it means for the future of the world economy.
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This is The Andrew Lawton Show, brought to you by True North.
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This is day four of the World Economic Forum's 2024 Annual Meeting in Davos.
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It's day four of five, but as far as these live broadcasts from the Alps,
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We've been covering all week long the goings-on of the rich and powerful
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and oftentimes a little bit snobby world elites.
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we've been doing it because these people are not used to fielding questions from pretty much anyone
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except fawning and adoring fans. So we've been doing it, but also trying to make sure we can
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really package it all together and talk about the bigger picture in these live shows. So
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the coverage will continue, but the Andrew Lawton show will not after tonight. So we'll try to make
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the most of it and perhaps even have a little bit of fun along the way if it's possible.
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Well, we're talking about all of these things that are happening, which quite frankly are not
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really things that we should be laughing about or taking not seriously. But as you know, I try to
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take the serious in a way that has a bit of humor injected, because that's the only way to tolerate
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it. But turning that into something that we could perhaps say is rising to the occasion, whatever
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that means. I'm starting to talk like all these elites in platitudes and whatnot. But here's the
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thing. A couple of housekeeping items first. One literally, because we have had this like weird
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fake steam fireplace on in the background for the last few days. We had it ready to go. And then
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Sean came into the room, like, I don't know, like 20 minutes ago. And the second he opened the door,
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the fire went out. So, and he's not like a particularly cold presence. He's a very lovely
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person. So I wanted to blame him, but I'm not sure if I can. So suffice it to say, if you were
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tuning in just for the fake fireplace, you were sorely disappointed, but you can rewatch episodes
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one through three this week. One thing I wanted to get to first and foremost was that I did not
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manage to find Christian Freeland, the Deputy Prime Minister, wandering the streets of Davos
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either yesterday or today. Her official itinerary said yesterday she was in private meetings all day
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with other world leaders and whatnot. And then today she had a panel discussion that she was
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participating in on trade and was supposedly in private meetings for the rest of the day.
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We were hoping that maybe she would walk in and out of the public entrance and not the one that
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you can get driven in through secretly and dropped off past security so you don't have to mingle with
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the plebs. But it seems like she may have taken that option. Or in the 10 minutes that I wasn't
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there, perhaps she waited for that to pounce. But nevertheless, we can weigh in on the comments she
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said on the record on this panel discussion in a little bit. But I want to begin by talking about
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freedom of speech. Now, I've said in the past, this is my hill to die on. Freedom of speech is
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the most important right and freedom we have. It is the one, I'm paraphrasing someone who is
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paraphrasing someone, and I don't even know at this point who the original thinker was of this,
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but it wasn't me. The line that I heard, which I quite enjoyed, was that the reason freedom of
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speech is the most important freedom is because if you were to take away every other right and
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freedom we have, except one, freedom of speech. You could use your freedom of speech to win back
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all of the others. And it's, I think, a very romantic and idealistic, but honest way of
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looking at why this freedom is so important. Because if you lose the freedom to speak,
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you lose the freedom to think. If you lose those freedoms, you lose the ability to pretty much
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advocate for any change on anything else in society. So I was, of course, intrigued when
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freedom of expression ended up once again on the radar of the people at Davos. Now it's not perhaps
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a sexy item to them as say the need to transition away from oil and gas is or the need to switch to
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sustainable this and that but it is still one that they like to talk about and when all of these
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leaders are coming together by their own admission because they want to swap ideas and find best
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practices and follow the commitments and all of that that Klaus Schwab was asking them for on
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monday it's important to hear what they have to say about freedom of expression now one of the
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things i've been doing this week is going back into the archives and talking about ideas that
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have really driven i think why there has been so much frustration with the world economic forum's
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agenda and when possible putting even some older comments to people that have never really had to
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answer for them and one of those was in may of 2022 my first time covering the world economic
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Forum's annual meeting. Julie Inman-Grant, who is Australia's eSafety Commissioner,
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was talking about freedom in the context of the internet, rights in the context of the internet.
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And I'll explain a little bit about who Julie Inman-Grant is in the moment, but I first want
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to jog your memory about what it is she said. We are finding ourselves in a place where we have
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increasing polarization everywhere and everything feels binary when it doesn't need to be so
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i think we're going to have to think about a recalibration of a whole range of human rights
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that are playing out online you know from freedom of speech to the freedom to you know to be free
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from online violence or the right of data protection to the right to child dignity
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that was the call that she made in 2022 the need to have a recalibration of freedom of speech now
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as i joked at the time and perhaps have since i'm all for a recalibration as well to reset make sure
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we start from scratch and have freedom of speech but she meant it i suspected in a different way
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and if you want to listen to why this is important to take note of here listen to how she talks about
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the tech marketplace of ideas, of how she talks about people being able to use
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tech platforms like X, formerly Twitter, in 2024. This is a presentation she gave
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on a World Economic Forum panel yesterday. We've just issued one against X Corp around
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online hate where we were able to really get a sense of the extent to which they cut their
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safety engineers by 80%, their content moderators by 30%, their public policy people by 70%,
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and then they enabled previously suspended users.
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So it's like Volvo firing their designers, their engineers, and then not letting the
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traffic infraction people and the ambulance in while putting all these dangerous drivers
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You're creating a perfect storm for online hate.
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So there are lots of different tools in the toolbox that we'll be using differently.
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But ultimately the aim is transparency to achieve accountability
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and to get companies to raise their safety standards
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so people can have safer, more positive experiences online.
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We've used our transparency powers to really find out what's happening under the hood,
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what technologies are you using, what are you doing or not doing
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to scan for child sexual abuse or terrorist content.
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So that was Julie Inman Grant. I think we've accidentally included a bit of another clip in
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there. But the point that she was making was that Elon Musk firing the censors at Twitter slash exes
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like carnage on the streets and no fire trucks or ambulances or something like that. I don't begrudge
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anyone for using metaphors. I'm folksy. I use metaphors all the time. But I do begrudge her for
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thinking that there is an automatic safety risk because these are the terms they use, a safety
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risk when people are exposed to ideas online that they may not like. Now, to give you some context
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here, Julie Inman Grant, she's American, but she's in Australia as the e-safety commissioner. Now,
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this is a job that is kind of unique. In fact, it's not kind of unique. It is unique. It's not
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something we really have anywhere else. It's something we likely will have at some point in
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Canada. However, as we see Justin Trudeau moving more and more towards a model of online regulation
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that could be very similar to the one in Australia, but the e-safety commissioner is there
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to ensure that people have, as Julie Eamon Grant says, a safe and positive experience online.
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But I go back to those fundamental rights that she was talking about being in need of recalibration.
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I would say that a positive experience online is being able to speak freely without the heavy hand
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of state censorship. Well, I caught up with Julie Inman-Grant today in Davos and wanted to ask her
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exactly where she thinks that line should be on things you should not be allowed to say.
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Thank you for Lawton with True North in Canada. I'm just wondering, when you talked about
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recalibrating free speech a couple of years ago, what were you referring to?
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I am talking about balancing a range of rights that everyone has a right to online.
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Where do you think freedom of expression online should be limited?
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When it undermines other people's freedom of expression
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and causes significant harm. But that's all I have to say.
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But that's a subjective term. Who's to adjudicate what harm is? Is it governments?
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Well actually it is the government drew the line on what the threshold was and an investigation
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is taken when somebody reports to a platform when it doesn't conform to their terms of service.
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they come to us to adjudicate do you believe that the first amendment has too high a bar for the
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online era the first amendment does not apply in australia i know but you're an american so i
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thought in general as a standard for freedom of expression do you think that's too high of one
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no i don't i don't apply that i apply the laws of the australian government that the
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parliamentarians provided and the thresholds they provided and it's measured against those
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thresholds. Thank you. Yeah, she defers to the Australian Parliament and point taken. I wasn't
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asking her about the First Amendment because I was believing that she was bound to it as someone
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in an Australian role. I was asking because that is, and I'm going to say this in a video that's
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coming out soon, that is the gold standard of freedom of expression. And by that, I mean it's
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the one with the highest bar for what you should be allowed to say. And evidently, she thinks that's
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too high. So things that you can say in a country like the United States where you have very strong
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freedom of speech protections, she does not believe you should be able to say on the internet,
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at least in Australia. Now, if we see all of these world leaders coming together, swapping their
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notes and saying, this is how we do it here, you should do it there as well, like that, this is why
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Canadians need to pay very close attention to this, especially since we are right now in the thick
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of a massive overhaul of internet regulations in Canada, more internet regulations, more
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regulation the government has promised on online speech. And absolutely, I think someone,
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a Canadian Julie Inman grant is going to be inevitable. But the freedom of expression issue
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was one that I don't even think people in the World Economic Forum's orbit even see as being
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an issue. I mean, many of them may see it as being an issue that we have too much freedom of
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expression. Certainly, I think some of the people I've been trying to ask questions to this week
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would probably not mind it if press freedoms were abated, or at least in their immediate vicinity.
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I had the chance to catch up with Will.i.am, who's a singer.
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Actually, I think he's still in the Black Eyed Peas, which still exists without Fergie,
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so maybe it's not worth existing, but nevertheless, this is not the Black Eyed Peas evaluation hour,
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at least not until we get to the bonus edition later on.
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But Will.i.am, he's an artist. He's been at the World Economic Forum before.
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Does he think freedom of expression is under attack?
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And while I was pleased that he took the time to chat with me,
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and Avi Yamini of Rebel News happened to be standing nearby as well
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it was clear he's never really been forced to contemplate
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that there may be an issue with freedom of expression.
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what you think of the state of freedom of expression right now?
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no when has it why would it be well countries don't always have the same commitment to free
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speech if you feel happy you've answered my question i just wanted to get your thoughts
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on it as an artist um i i think uh i'm happy that i live in the country that i'm from
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i think everybody has the should have the right to express themselves without uh hurting
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other folks you still have to be mindful we all live on the same planet should they be
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censored if they if they do hurt other folks their feelings no no no you want to inspire
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but if i hurt your feelings should i be censored
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depends if you if you were it depends if you had malicious
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if your intent was to hurt me on purpose and then you need to up your love and you shouldn't
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why why do you want to exist in a world where you're purposely trying to hurt somebody's feelings
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now if things are taken out of context or i no i don't believe in censorship what i do believe in
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is trying your hardest to inspire and uplift people.
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I'm saying what I think is just love, empathy, inspiration.
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Do you trust the government to control the Internet now?
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What I did say was Web 2 and social media, we didn't get that right.
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Elon Musk is trying something else called community notes.
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You're hitting me with a lot of information I don't know about.
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Do you feel the World Economic Forum is delivering that love and inspiration you're calling for?
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as a whole it's not just world economic form it's companies governments you know gangsters a lot of
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things bro i think us people you right how we how we conduct in this interview you trying to get
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your two cents in his try where's the order in that respect honor hey you finish questions ask
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right i don't really like him so i don't mind hurting his feelings yeah that's not cool though
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I feel like the World Economic Forum is not really about love.
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because I have a program teaching kids computer science and robotics
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so that when they graduate college, they could fill jobs or create jobs.
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Now, if you want to come mentor our kids, if you're about that, about that,
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then please feel free to come help inspire our kids to be journalists.
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put your, you know, put your heart where your freaking, where your mind is and your passion is.
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That was Will. I am, and again, very pleasant guy. I admire being able to be an artist and
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jet set around the world and perform and have fans and see the world in such a positive way,
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love and inspiration. Great. We all need to do better. Okay. I don't want to be mad at the guy,
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but I don't believe he is connected to the real world because that's not the way a lot of people
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in the real world see things. You can be censored for having the wrong opinion. And yes, I mentioned
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that the United States has very strong protections. That's the country he's from. So when he says that
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he's lucky to live and grow up where he did, yes, fine. But around the world, that is not the way
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things are. And it's people in the halls of Davos, walking those halls, who want to infringe
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on those rights. And I go back to the theme of this year's World Economic Forum Annual Meeting,
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rebuilding trust. And I said at the very outset of this series this week that they were clearly
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not interested in looking inward and looking in the mirror and realizing that they are the reason
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that so few people in the world trust them. And one point that I came up with on this was about
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trusting in something as basic as currency. Because it used to be that you could know how
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much money was in your pocket. You had a $10 bill in your pocket, you had $10. Well, the government's
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all around the world now. Central banks are talking about central bank digital currencies,
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digital money. I know all of you, or at least most of you, are skeptical in the very least or
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outright against this. One of the people I happened upon today was Christine Lagarde, who is a very
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influential woman in the global financial system she is the president of the european central bank
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and didn't want to answer a single question well i think she didn't want to answer a single
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question in general but the question i wanted to get an answer from was this afternoon ma'am how
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can people have confidence in digital currencies and government not using it as a tool of control
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i'm not giving an interview i'm not speaking because i'm in a quiet period this is about
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rebuilding trust this year how can people have trust in these institutions when governments
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Mrs. Lagarde, where's the privacy of the people?
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if this conference's theme is rebuilding trust, ma'am?
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I'm actually, I'm going to give her a bit of applause.
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Next time I get asked a question I don't want to answer,
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I'm just going to say, I'm in a quiet place right now.
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oh, Mr. Lawton, I don't think you filed your...
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And no, I'm not talking about the Sandra Bullock movie.
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I'd say this is why I shouldn't do pop culture or sports now, apparently.
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But, yes, I know John Krasinski was in it.
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Now Sean's, like, just telling me the entire cast of that.
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You say, okay, look, she has the right to walk by.
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She could have, in the time she was telling me she was in a quiet place, have just perhaps
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said, oh, yes, you know, here's the answer to your question.
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And, you know, maybe it's because she thinks I'm a gnat, I'm a flea, I don't matter.
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But I will not forget that one of the most powerful bankers in the world could not take
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just even a few moments while cavorting with people who claim that a crisis of mistrust is
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plaguing the world. And she could not answer a simple question, did not want to deign to answer
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a simple question on why people should trust the government that is pushing digital currency for
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them. Something very similar happened with Queen Maxima of the Netherlands. Now, it's a bit of a
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weird sentence for me to say that I was attempting to speak to Queen Maxima of the Netherlands. I am
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not a Dutch monarchist, so I have no particular relationship to the monarchy there, but I
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And I was kind of surprised, I must admit, that she didn't want to answer a question
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that maybe was tinged with politics, but still didn't have to elicit a political answer.
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Any message for the Dutch farmers who've had to shut down because of your government's
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I was very friendly. I started it with a Your Majesty. I almost got like shoved out of the
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way by one of her security officials, which has become a common enough occurrence this week that
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I'm not too bothered by it. But what I was asking her is whether she had a message for farmers in
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her country, the Netherlands, who because of government policies have not been able to survive.
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They have shut down their farms. This is a very real phenomenon in the Netherlands. If you followed
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the Dutch farmer protest, you'll have seen why farmers have risen up against the government.
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Now, she is the head of state. She's not the elected head of government. But that's why I
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was asking about a message of support. She was on her way into an event where she was speaking about
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inclusive financing. And as it happened, when she left the event, she was walking by where I was
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standing. I thought I'd give it one more go. Just see any message for Dutch farmers who have
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been struggling. It's one question. You can apologize. That's fine. I'm allowed to ask a
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question, I believe. I toned the question down even. I said, just farmers are struggling. Do
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you have a message of support for them? And nothing. Instead, I was told by one woman who
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I don't even think was Dutch. She sounded American when she was speaking, and she apologized,
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but not really. And I was kind of baffled by that. And I insisted that I had a right to ask
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a question, which she agreed with, although evidently I did not have a right to an answer.
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So all of that is to say that these people believe they are above those they represent.
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And look, if you're the queen, you literally are above the people you represent.
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And even if I were Dutch, she wouldn't owe me a response.
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But that's the problem is that all of these people don't actually care about that.
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The president of the European Central Bank can talk about misinformation and disinformation,
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but doesn't want to say, why should people trust that you and your governments are not going to
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weaponize digital currency? Dutch farmers in the Netherlands can protest, can protest, can protest,
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but the Queen does not have to take 15 seconds to tell them why the government and the Crown
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might in fact have their back, probably because they don't. It's the same as John Kerry this week,
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it's the same as the Prime Minister of Bulgaria yesterday. Who else did we get that didn't want
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to talk? There have been a few, too many to name. As I joked yesterday, some of the clips we've had
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of these shows, you look and be like, oh, wow, interview with, you know, the prime minister of,
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you know, blah, blah, blah, blah, blah, Stan. And it's like four seconds because it's a question
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and no answer. So this is why there, it's been a bit discouraging in a way, the coverage that
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we've been trying to do here, but, but encouraging at the same time, because we realize that this
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silence is deafening, that when all of these people do not answer, when they keep walking,
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they're telling us a lot more about them than some scripted pablum answer they may have given
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would have. And it's why the Javier Malay speech yesterday, by the way, was so powerful. Now,
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I actually got this morning a retweet, or it might have been a like, but I think it was a
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retweet from Argentinian President Javier Malay on Twitter. I had tweeted something about his speech
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and he retweeted it alongside with a bunch of other comments. So I don't think it was too,
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too personal an endorsement of anything I said. But someone pointed out, I should have pulled the
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screenshot, maybe I'll look at it next week, of the YouTube page for the World Economic Forum
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that has like all of the speeches and panels and presentations that have been given this week. And
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you look at them and they all like 2,000 views, 4,000 views, 1,500 views, seven views or whatever.
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And then you get to Javier Malay's address. And it was at the time, you know, like hundreds of
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thousands of views. So more people around the world care about what he said than what a lot
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of these other people said, because he actually called them out. And there was someone else who
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did the same thing today a ceo who decided to call out some of the rhetoric on the so-called energy
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transition it was all about the um you know having an ideological position on what we can do with
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fossil fuels over time uh i think my my my colleagues in the sector energy sector educate me
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on 80% of the energy generated 40 years ago was from fossil fuels, and 80% of the energy
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And so if we're not going to severely impact costs, fossil fuels are going to be here way
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I don't think we're honest in terms of the impact of costs that rapid transitions would
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I think there are many new innovations driven by technology that can very quickly impact
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And to do that, you need to also transition the skills in those industries.
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But I think the debate is somewhat skewed, and I would agree with Hozu.
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ideological driven not practical execution operational just as you said minister
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that is such an important aspect of this because we have to do it but how to execute it is going
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to be really really important for it to be successful and save the planet yeah that was
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jonas prizing of manpower group and again what he's saying he was saying it in a very even keeled
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even-handed measured way that we are not honest and he was saying we he was including himself in
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that category, but I think he was taking aim at politicians and the WEF set that they're not being
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honest about the costs of this transition and saying that there is just a statement of fact
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that fossil fuels are not going anywhere. So this idea that we're going to just eradicate them like
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that lunatic rant from Al Gore yesterday suggested is, well, it's lunacy. So it was interesting
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contrasting what he said with what Chrystia Freeland said, who's the deputy prime minister
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of canada and also a member of the wef board of trustees because she talked about decarbonization
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that's the nice little buzzword is just being no big deal take a look that is new about industrial
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policy is we are developing our economies growing our economies at a time when we also need to
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accomplish the green transition. And I spoke yesterday to a very significant international
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business leader who is also a big investor in Canada. And he said to me, all the countries in
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the world need to be very careful that decarbonization does not mean de-industrialization.
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I thought that was an extremely smart comment. And Canada is absolutely determined that
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decarbonization for us will mean more jobs more growth more manufacturing and we recognize
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government needs to play a role to make that happen
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so not only does government need to push decarbonization but oh it's going to be great
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it's going to be more jobs more growth everyone's going to be happy we're all going to just you know
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inhale unicorn farts and float to the happiest days of our lives it's just going to be
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so wonderful. Well, if it's so wonderful, why does the government need to force it? Do you think the
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moderator asked that question of Chrystia Freeland? No. I mean, admittedly, the moderator didn't ask
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Chrystia Freeland another question, but that may have been more to do with timing than anything
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personal, sadly. But this was the, again, I would love for someone to have asked Chrystia Freeland,
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perhaps on the streets, perhaps at a press conference, whatever, how this thing is going
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to be so easy and how it's going to be so nice and how it's going to make only good things and
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why that's the case, but government still has to force it to happen. The reason is because it is a
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load of nonsense. Anyone who knows anything about energy consumption, not just in Canada, but around
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the world especially, knows that this dream that they keep pushing is not happening. It's not
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happening. And even if it does, it's going to take a huge amount of pain. There was a clip a couple
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of years ago from one speaker who said, yeah, there's pain, but it's going to be worth it.
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And this was just said so nonchalantly because, again, the people in Davos don't often really care about the struggles of ordinary people around the world.
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And I think it's probably something that we knew, but we're seeing more and more of a reminder of with each passing day.
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Now, I said we'd do something a little bit lighter here.
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So I had a request from a viewer named Cheryl, because I've been talking all week about how we have to go back and forth every day from our hotel in Austria to Switzerland, to Davos, Switzerland.
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And Cheryl had said, well, maybe you could share a video of your drive.
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So I figured, OK, what better way to do this than to just like, you know, get Sean, who's been filming so much, to just film a little snippet of me taking in the beautiful scenery as we made our way this morning from our hotel to Davos.
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Wow. Ooh. Oh, okay. Look at that. Beautiful. Oh, gorgeous.
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All right. I had to have some fun with you. That was like one of the like million,
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you know, four kilometer long tunnels you have to go through. So yeah, driving in Switzerland,
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we learned is not for the claustrophobic, but no, no, no. By popular request, by which
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I mean the one lovely lady who asked for it here is an actual uh behind the scenes view of our way
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to Davos this morning well we are on our way into Davos we are I think about uh 25 minutes out of
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the village so we're just getting to that fun part where we have to like just drive and zigzag until
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we get up the mountain but uh you can see on the right there uh the beautiful mountains of the
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Swiss Alps uh we had a request from Cheryl to show a little bit of the scenery that we enjoy
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which is a bit of a stretch at this point on the daily commute from our hotel in Dornburn, Austria
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to the center of the action for the World Economic Forum's annual meeting, which is in Davos.
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Sean is filming right now, so you don't see him, but we've got Cosmin riding shotgun,
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Cosmin, Georgia from True North, and yours truly driving.
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Cosmin, you've clocked a few more kilometers than me.
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Sometimes it looks like you're going in the opposite direction when you're entering a highway.
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yeah i the one thing i do love is the uh like the not the interstate but like the big highways
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in switzerland or austria especially because the limit's 130 kilometers an hour which uh is great
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so you make up all that time and then you get to here and if you're like behind you know some
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slow-moving transport vehicle you are uh you know kind of stuck for the most of the drive here but
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it's a nice little drive it's uh the roads haven't been too too bad weather has been kind of
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cooperative all week i i think anyway which is good so uh oh my goodness okay we're coming up
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on a uh we're coming up on one of the security checkpoints so we'll have to end it here but
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we'll have a full report on today's andrew lawton show and thank you again to everyone for all your
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support now as it happened we weren't coming up on a security checkpoint you can hear faintly in
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the background a gps that won't shut up that's because like in my uh like excitement to share
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the drive with you, I took a wrong turn. And I had to do like a U-turn on one of those zigzaggy
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mountain roads. So I did it in a safe way. They have some, you know, pull-offs and turn-offs and
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all of that. So basically the whole driving experience has been a turn-off for me. I'm like
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the worst non-urban dweller imaginable because I don't love driving. But it's been good. We've
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been tag-teaming it here. But nevertheless, this is the long-awaited True North minivan. So one
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person on our team suggested we could have just skipped the hotel and uh slept in the van but uh
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maybe maybe by world economic forum 2032 we'll start doing that but uh at a certain point it'll
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have to be electric too and you know we haven't seen too many charging stations so anyway that
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does it for us for today uh we will have more coverage over the next few days from the world
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economic forum but i'm going to be back in the home studio on monday for more of canada's most
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irreverent talk show i just want to say while i'm speaking to you live thank you to all of you who
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been tuning into our coverage and supporting our coverage it's it's expensive to do this i mean we
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brought three people overseas but we did it because it's important and because these are questions
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that are not being asked by anyone else and even the ones that aren't answered i think it's important
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that their refusal to answer is put on record in the way that it is so we'll have some other goodies
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