Juno News - July 23, 2020


Defending history against the woke mob (Part 2)


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00:00:00.000 one of the things that i find so sort of just the same way as what you're saying like fascinating
00:00:18.620 but also terrifying is how open these people are in terms of saying let's let's cancel someone
00:00:25.280 let's de-platform someone like sometimes i'll go onto twitter and i'll just see like what's
00:00:29.600 trending in canada and it's usually like left-wing twitter you know whatever they're going on about
00:00:34.460 but every now and then you'll see a name that you're like okay what's going on with this person
00:00:38.360 whether it's like brett wilson or brian adams or whoever and and if you go through the you know if
00:00:44.200 you go down the rabbit hole far enough what you see is just lots and lots of people with like you
00:00:49.560 know 500 followers or less saying we need to cancel this person or let's let's de-platform this person
00:00:57.120 and you know they get their one or two likes but you see it over and over again and it's like
00:01:00.700 that that mindset that idea that someone says something that you don't agree with and your
00:01:06.700 first instinct is i need to destroy them like like not like i disagree with them and here's why or
00:01:15.060 you know let's let's let's debate this person or here i'm going to refute their ideas because i think
00:01:20.220 that their ideas are terrible but but no it's not about the ideas at all it's it's really about
00:01:24.900 like we need to destroy this person we need to de-platform them we need to cancel them
00:01:29.860 and you know it's almost like i'm i'm so used to kind of consuming conservative media because i've
00:01:35.600 just so fed up with the mainstream media that sometimes you worry that you're in like a little
00:01:39.720 bubble right that you're that you're being fed just you know reaffirming things and that the way
00:01:44.840 that the conservative or the right talk about the left and the mob is maybe a caricature of them but
00:01:50.020 then sometimes you go in and you see how they actually speak and and what their aims are and
00:01:55.040 what their goals are and they're very open about it and it's just so illiberal and like you said it's
00:02:00.140 intypical to canada and then in the foundation so you wonder like you know what what went wrong and how
00:02:06.320 did we how did we kind of get here it's it's it's a pretty scary moment one of the things i wanted to
00:02:11.560 ask you about is because i know you're a big hockey fan and you got a background playing hockey and stuff
00:02:17.020 it feels like cancel culture's next target is going to be the nhl or it is i mean we saw
00:02:23.320 pretty high profile canning of don cherry who is a canadian icon um just because he said something
00:02:29.720 that kind of stumbled i guess i don't i didn't i never thought that what he said was that bad but
00:02:34.640 people took the sort of worst faith interpretation of what he said and supposedly by saying you know you
00:02:40.680 people you got to wear your poppies um that was like beyond the pale um so so have you have you
00:02:45.900 noticed that the that cancel culture is going after the nhl and why why do you think that is
00:02:50.020 yeah well i think they are 100 going after the nhl and maybe you could say kind of professional sports
00:02:57.460 uh more broadly um but i think they are i think they view it as a as a and you see it also with
00:03:06.400 trying to get the fighting out of hockey i think if there's an attempt to well i think they recognize
00:03:11.240 hockey is kind of a right of center institution uh if you are a conservative institution uh and
00:03:18.400 there's a lot of things that they obviously uh hate that is kind of represented uh there's kind
00:03:24.340 of uh there's a lot of there's a lot of tradition there's a lot of masculinity in hockey there's a lot
00:03:29.440 of uh uh team-based uh pardon me patriotism like like the whole you know singing the national anthem
00:03:36.300 and bringing people together it's like a canadian thing it's it's a symbol of of canada and a lot
00:03:42.080 easier to attack than maple syrup so i think that's that um all these things kind of combined together
00:03:49.220 to make it a target um and even like i mean hockey teams in general like they're very they're very uh
00:03:56.920 almost remembers like you go back to high school you know there's kind of there's sports and your
00:04:00.700 jocks then you've got more of like the the fine art stuff and obviously sports is all is also
00:04:05.840 structured more and it's more it's got the you know you have a coach that's telling the players
00:04:09.900 what to do or going out on the ice and there's things like that so i think it just it gets them
00:04:14.580 all riled up um and it annoys me uh to see certain teams in the nhl in general starting to
00:04:23.340 try to placate or kind of bow down to these groups because these aren't the fans these aren't
00:04:28.300 these aren't hockey fans uh uh of these sports and they never will be so um i see a lot of
00:04:35.320 organizations doing this and it's disappointing so i think yeah like hockey uh obviously the
00:04:41.180 military is another group that they keep trying to go after and change laws and i know a lot of people
00:04:45.780 in the military who are very upset and police being another one so i think whenever you see these
00:04:51.000 these these institutions if you will that are being interpreted as kind of uh uh foundational
00:04:58.740 pillars of cultural concern cultural conservatism is maybe a good again hockey is not a very politically
00:05:04.260 uh correct environment you know being on the bench somebody's played hockey being on the bench and
00:05:09.240 dressing room is not a very uh uh politically correct woke environment so i think that's uh another
00:05:14.740 reason why it's being targeted and i i think with all these different groups um you know they already
00:05:20.320 have the media they already have the universities so they're just seeing what else uh they can go
00:05:24.140 after um and yeah it's it's it's uh it's super concerning and i mean these people have the other
00:05:32.980 thing you talked about how illiberal uh their methods are uh you can also add to that like forget due
00:05:39.320 process uh forget uh privacy or anything like anything's anything goes and i think with the me too
00:05:47.700 movement uh was similar in that it obviously started on on a premise that basically everybody
00:05:52.860 can agree with and then these the same group of people guaranteed it's the same group of people
00:05:58.700 took it warped it and just started going after people for like going on bad dates basically and i think
00:06:04.500 that's um uh it's kind of it's just it's the same group of people and this is like their latest
00:06:10.260 tool to kind of achieve their achieve their end so yeah i would say it's it's very concerning
00:06:16.860 and the only thing that kind of gives me optimism uh well a is two things a is the internet so you
00:06:23.820 know there's other groups and voices that can rise up and challenge this kind of status quo
00:06:28.360 and the second thing is if you have one-on-one conversations or you go back to your group of
00:06:34.360 friends or whatever you go out for for lunch if you're legally allowed to go out for lunch depending
00:06:39.000 on on where you're living um i i find that people have the average person hasn't changed
00:06:45.260 that much i think that that left has gone way to the left uh from where they were but i i feel like
00:06:51.200 the center's still kind of there and um so it's it's up to people like us to kind of communicate
00:06:56.920 what's actually going on because at the end of the day you know they got kids they have jobs they've
00:07:01.040 got all sorts of things going on so um they're not always completely aware of of everything that's
00:07:06.720 happening around them well yeah i think you're so right like i kind of want to go through those
00:07:11.140 because you said you know there's three different places where they're kind of like the last bastion
00:07:15.600 of canadian conservatism or tradition hockey the military and policing so hopefully we can go
00:07:20.300 through those but just to stay on hockey for for another minute like i definitely grew up in a hockey
00:07:24.560 family my brother played like i played hockey we were huge canuck fans growing up in vancouver
00:07:29.220 going to the canuck games and stuff like that and i would have never connected it with
00:07:33.800 conservative culture whatsoever like you know vancouver like victoria's pretty left-wing place
00:07:38.640 and i i would never connect the two but but you're right in that you know the things that you mentioned
00:07:44.680 like it's it's a traditional sport in canada it it kind of it hasn't been overrun with like
00:07:50.740 the left-wing worldview and it's really kind of oriented around a family activities you go to the
00:07:56.720 rink with your family it requires quite a bit of sacrifice on behalf of parents to to go you know on all
00:08:02.600 the road trips and the early mornings in the ice arena and and it's built around the sort of core
00:08:07.880 family tradition so i i imagine that you're right that a lot of people who who are big hockey fan
00:08:13.260 families might just also happen to to vote conservative um but do you think that there's a fear
00:08:19.760 among people playing hockey that they're going to be unfairly targeted i remember a couple weeks ago
00:08:24.900 you and i were talking about a group of guys that had a private instagram message where they were
00:08:31.000 making really rude and disgusting comments but sort of immature and and the idea that it's a private
00:08:37.120 conversation and all of a sudden someone someone's instagram account got hacked it became public and
00:08:42.280 the guys actually lost their contracts and lost their jobs in the nhl two of them i think um that's
00:08:48.240 pretty scary just given that you know it's a private conversation we've seen this happen in a couple of
00:08:53.560 other scenarios recently where private conversations have become public and all of a sudden you know it
00:08:58.840 results in in sort of the end of your career or or serious um repercussions did you think that
00:09:05.980 there's going to be changes do you think that there's a fear among people who who play hockey or
00:09:10.800 people who are involved in hockey that they can't really be themselves anymore do you see that happening
00:09:15.560 at all yeah i think i think people will always adapt uh like you made the point about private
00:09:23.420 conversations there's also kind of the and this is one part where i have seen good pushback is kind
00:09:28.520 of the attack on on on humor basically uh politically certain comedians coming under attack and stuff
00:09:36.120 and i do think comedians are pretty good at kind of firing backs so and they're usually more in control
00:09:40.980 of their uh careers but yeah i think that as far as athletes go and other celebrities like there's going to be a lot
00:09:48.780 i tell you after the the instance that you're talking about um there's a lot of players that
00:09:54.260 obviously were going through and deleting chats and and text messages and things like that
00:09:59.840 and uh but i think people will adapt like you'll have look you got snapchat which which uh you know
00:10:06.340 deletes your messages instant you know a couple seconds after you send them um so i think you're going to
00:10:13.180 see a lot more of that and i think you're going to see a lot more of you know in-person conversations
00:10:18.080 and and people just being wary of that kind of a thing um but yeah i mean i don't think you're
00:10:25.100 going to change people i think it's just you're going to find a way technology will find a way around
00:10:32.940 it so uh that's what i that's what i think is going to happen but there's going to be other people that
00:10:37.320 are going to get burned before in the interim for sure and it really the thing that really bugs me too
00:10:42.740 is if it's if it's um you know sometimes it's happening now to to 18 19 20 year olds and you
00:10:50.220 know these are people that are just still in high school or just getting out of high school and
00:10:54.260 you know they say something stupid or whatever even if they acknowledge they say something stupid and
00:10:58.620 and apologize for it there's still just like this this monolithic attack by the by the media and
00:11:05.220 this and this uh the twitter the uh the twitter mob and um i just i'm i'm happy that i didn't really
00:11:13.600 grow up in that uh environment it was still it was still too it was the social media was still pretty
00:11:19.460 private there wasn't this kind of public uh pile on that happened so i mean we'll see but if i if i had
00:11:26.220 to guess i think people will just adapt and everyone will stop uh using whatsapp groups or instagram
00:11:32.180 conversations and everyone will just be snapchatting and or uh the other thing i've noticed is is people
00:11:37.640 you almost meet people now and like you you really uh kind of double down on the friends that you know
00:11:48.720 that you can trust or the contacts that you know that you can trust and this is maybe more relevant to
00:11:53.380 us because i find a lot with politics a lot of the times you have to have uh open-minded conversations
00:11:59.740 where you're saying something that maybe five minutes later you're like you know what i don't
00:12:02.540 actually agree with what i just said but you needed to kind of flush the idea out to kind of build your
00:12:08.480 understanding even of how you yourself feel and the danger of those conversations now if you don't know
00:12:15.580 everybody in the room or or you know you can't trust people or you're putting it on uh somewhere where
00:12:21.400 there's a record and facebook messenger conversation or whatever i think is really real and uh really just not
00:12:27.960 healthy to our our society so it's um i mean it it is it is what it is but it definitely it definitely
00:12:37.220 reminds me of some like uh puritanical church from like the 1600s or something that that's what like
00:12:44.280 the left the radical environmental and social left has kind of become and they're just kind of trying
00:12:50.160 to excommunicate you from society that's kind of what it feels like i totally agree and i mean i think
00:12:57.400 i think that you raise some really good points just in that most people don't like it's it's so
00:13:02.100 uncomfortable and so unnatural and what the the woke mob or whatever you want to call them the far
00:13:07.140 left what they're demanding and what they're pushing is so counter to our culture and our basic nature
00:13:12.720 that i think that there is going to be a backlash and there's more and more of a backlash like you
00:13:16.880 said the center is kind of remain the same and the left is just getting more and more extreme
00:13:20.880 well the more people feel alienated from that the more likely they are to to completely push back and
00:13:26.180 i think it's happening already in a lot of forms you know just as an example with the media i remember
00:13:31.440 after don cherry got fired and then there was a show called the social and the ladies were sort of all
00:13:37.020 piling on don cherry and and one of them went on a specific rant about white boys playing hockey and
00:13:42.800 how they weren't very nice and i've never seen a backlash like that towards those comments i mean
00:13:47.980 i i imagine more people were calling for her to be fired than anyone who was ever demanding that
00:13:53.300 don cherry be fired and of course you know the establishment doesn't listen to those voices
00:13:57.660 because that's not the trendy sort of political correct um moment that we're living in but i think
00:14:04.780 that the more these kind of things happen the more people just feel fed up and they join
00:14:08.400 the sort of other side so so that's good now you you have a background in military you meant military was
00:14:13.920 the second institution that you think that they're going after and it's the last bastion
00:14:17.780 of of sort of tradition or conservatism so uh what what were your experiences at the military and
00:14:24.440 can you use some examples of the sort of woke mob coming after the military yeah so uh my experience in
00:14:32.320 the in the military was was really 100 positive and that's mainly because the people that are in it
00:14:38.860 so um they are it is a really cool institution i i can say from someone who who played hockey like
00:14:47.460 there's a lot there's a lot of parallels i think you know it's just it's the very it's very team
00:14:51.180 oriented it's very structured um it's all about you know everyone pulling in the same direction to
00:14:56.920 to a common goal and uh there's elements of patriotism obviously that are that are woven through
00:15:02.220 everything and um so my experience with the military this is back around 2009 to 2011 so they
00:15:09.640 it was uh it was very positive um but even then you started to see some examples of political
00:15:17.040 correctness starting to to trickle in but usually it definitely comes it's it's a top down kind of a
00:15:22.740 thing so it's the last thing it's going to affect is kind of the platoon level it's more you see it in the
00:15:28.600 recruiting so nowadays you see it with these uh you know they got the employment uh like equity
00:15:34.420 targets so certain you know they're trying to reach a certain level uh of women in the military
00:15:41.640 invisible minorities and they they reserve certain trades for them so you can go to a recruiting office
00:15:48.620 and our military now is we're chronically short of people and there's massive unemployment but yet you
00:15:54.880 can still go to a recruiting office and you say i would really like to be uh um you know pick pick
00:16:01.660 a trade that you have in in the military you you really want a fighter pilot or you want to be uh
00:16:07.080 you want to drive a tank or something like this um there's certain trades that we'll say are full
00:16:13.520 even though they're not full and it's just because you don't meet one of these uh
00:16:18.020 employment equity targets and i think that is i mean i think that's horrific i think that's a
00:16:24.760 perfect example of where uh you know who cares what color your skin is or what your sex is if you
00:16:30.840 want to serve your country and you pass all the requirements then you should be welcomed in uh
00:16:36.560 as quickly as possible especially at a time right now when we're chronically uh uh you know they can't
00:16:41.820 even fight find people to like fly some of these helicopters and and aircraft uh and there's a whole
00:16:46.940 bunch of other trades that are in a similar situation so that was one the second one was um
00:16:52.460 every year you have to write if you have people serving underneath you you have to write like a
00:16:57.820 personal evaluation report i can't remember the exact i think it's per uh personal evaluation report
00:17:03.900 and what they just made a recent change in the spring and this got picked up a bit by the u.s media was
00:17:10.260 they've banned it so you not are not allowed to use pronouns anymore so you can't say you have to
00:17:18.660 basically they sent the per's back and they said we need you to rewrite these because you've got
00:17:23.740 nothing better to do apparently and uh we noticed you referred to uh the uh the corporal there as uh
00:17:31.220 as he or or his or her or she and uh you have to take all of those out and um uh because you don't want
00:17:41.220 to assume the gender of any given individual and uh re either write their service number or write
00:17:47.680 out their full name over and over again every time you uh refer to them like corporal gun did this this
00:17:53.660 corporal guns training was this this and this and it's just such a it's such a mind-boggling um
00:18:00.960 like this is the organization that we're entrusting with the national security of their country and to go
00:18:05.700 overseas and put their lives on the line and these are the priorities that we're making for ourselves
00:18:11.000 and it's just so ridiculous uh it's just so ridiculous to me and um so anyways that's that's
00:18:19.660 a that's another example so i think in recruiting and that kind of a thing and you can you can see
00:18:23.940 these are things being passed down from the government through the department of defense
00:18:27.620 um and being basically imposed on on unit level uh activities so that sounds like uh justin trudeau
00:18:37.160 and his uh gender-based analysis for every single policy that that sounds like something that they
00:18:42.820 came up with i didn't even hear about that story in detail so that's pretty why yeah it's it's it also
00:18:48.620 seems to make for bad communication i mean presumably you know you need to be able to communicate in a
00:18:54.280 clear way in the military and having to think about what pronoun to use or you know how to communicate
00:19:01.460 in a way that's politically correct in the media in the military just seems like a wild um distraction
00:19:08.580 that that would actually be counter to the goals of the military well i i bet i bet you what happened
00:19:14.140 was the military was told uh with all this the the transgendered stuff going on to try to follow all
00:19:20.420 these different rules and not to assume someone's gender and stuff and then they probably just said
00:19:25.220 you know what we're gonna get rid of pronouns completely but um rather than try to try to deal with
00:19:31.500 this but it's it's so uh i remember a third thing was they put out this press release like they were
00:19:37.180 deploying this deployment to mali uh and uh the trudeau government was going around nato like bragging
00:19:44.860 about they had the highest proportion of like females in their deployment than uh than any other
00:19:50.880 country as if that was like uh meanwhile we've got like helicopters flying over this dropping out of
00:19:56.040 the sky we've got snowbirds crashing we have like all the things that really matter being completely
00:20:01.100 uh neglected uh we've got fighter we just bought we bought used fighter jets of the exact same ones from
00:20:08.240 australia who's upgrading to a new fighter jet and we're buying their like 30 year old planes
00:20:12.700 and i think it's just it's it's really embarrassing at this point and um i talked to uh i have a
00:20:19.540 friend in the a couple friends in the military uh who actually works at at the headquarters in ottawa
00:20:24.760 and he said what the how he views it is the trudeau liberals are trying to turn the military into another
00:20:33.040 branch of the bureaucracy so obviously the bureaucracy is kind of a reliable uh net deliver of votes i'd say
00:20:41.380 to the federal liberal party and they're basically trying to you know defang or declaw uh canada's
00:20:48.720 military i think and turn it just into like a giant bureaucracy that's a that's a reliable pool of votes
00:20:53.760 for them so that's how i kind of uh are and viewing what's happening and again it's all about
00:20:59.700 basically deconstructing what is a fundamentally uh culturally conservative institution uh you know
00:21:08.260 around every single element uh that you can define as culturally conservative you can find it in the
00:21:13.560 military and they're just trying to strip it away one by one so whether it's connection to conserve
00:21:18.860 to to guns or to patriotism and to canada or to law and order or authority i mean it clearly is uh
00:21:27.140 it's it's the institution so i think that's why they're targeting it and um it's just it's again
00:21:32.780 really sad to see because these are people who volunteered put their lives on the line uh for
00:21:38.620 everyone else like our society is a collective and uh to see them kind of get thrown under the
00:21:43.380 bus like this is really it's tough to watch and and it's sad that there aren't enough voices coming
00:21:49.760 out in defense of these of these institutions and these traditions and i think it's because
00:21:54.060 there's sort of a paralysis where everyone's afraid you know if if if rex murphy writes a column
00:22:00.660 in defense of the military will he be fired for good from the national post i mean that's
00:22:04.460 that's sort of the question so the the third the third institution that you mentioned was the police
00:22:08.780 and i really wanted to get into this with you because i feel like this is something that i've
00:22:13.420 never seen move so quickly in my life where an idea that would have been considered just wildly
00:22:19.700 radical and far left and extreme not too long ago is suddenly a mainstream opinion which is to
00:22:27.260 defund the police and it was actually interesting i saw a poll the other day that um it was trying
00:22:33.640 to the headline the media the way they painted it tried to seem like that trust in the police was
00:22:38.840 falling but a poll actually found that 71 canadians still had a high level of trust in the police
00:22:43.900 to 71 so nearly three quarters of the country still have a high degree of trust in the police and yet
00:22:49.500 we're told in daily in the media that the police is a reprehensible institution that's racist and and
00:22:56.620 brutal and you don't really see a lot of people defending the police we you know we get true
00:23:02.400 north you know we'll try to at least tell both sides of the story so as an example there was a
00:23:08.040 pretty high profile arrest uh that was caught on on a dash cam of a um a chief chief alan adam up in
00:23:15.360 fort mcmurray and he was tackled to the ground and sort of beaten up a little while he was being
00:23:19.740 arrested and and the media were pushing out this one minute clip that just shows that that exact
00:23:24.920 moment where he was tackled and arrested but there was a 12 minute clip that they didn't show
00:23:29.240 and during the 12 minute clip you can see how he's resisting arrest he's antagonizing police he's
00:23:34.560 trying to fight police officers one point he tries to get away in his truck there was obviously a lot
00:23:39.260 of context that wasn't being shown by the media once the context was there it was kind of like
00:23:44.100 okay this might seem a little bit more justified now i understand at least why he was tackled to the
00:23:49.260 ground maybe i still think it was too much force but but you know he was he was certainly
00:23:53.700 part of the he was he was certainly part of the in the instigation that led to that encounter it
00:24:00.700 wasn't just completely one-sided like the media made it seem so i i just want to get your opinion
00:24:05.500 because i know you you know you have a lot of friends in policing and you have a lot of opinions
00:24:08.680 on this issue so what's your take on what's happened uh in the last little while with this
00:24:14.640 movement to defund the police and uh what do you make of the media trying to demonize
00:24:19.820 rcmp officers like they've been doing yeah i think it's i think it's well i think there's a
00:24:26.080 couple elements to this i think the rush to judge police actions by people who have no experience
00:24:32.820 with policing and use of force and how how difficult it is to to control like a full-grown
00:24:39.740 male who doesn't want to be arrested um i think is really again it goes back to the kind of just
00:24:45.900 ignoring the context of of the situation uh i think that's that's something that i stay away from
00:24:51.460 doing um i think that the conversation about are there times use of force uh issues um i think for
00:25:02.340 sure there is because uh not nothing's perfect and we have a country of 37 million people and
00:25:08.020 i'm assuming tens of thousands of police officers making multiple uh having having to use having to
00:25:15.180 physically arrest people every day there's going to and everything's being filmed now there's going
00:25:19.500 to be instances where well went too far there and to me it's actually the opposite it's it's shocking
00:25:24.160 that there's not more um with all of the interactions that you have and for sure also uh you know one percent
00:25:31.180 of cops aren't good cops um that's that's another thing and when you multiply that over a country of
00:25:36.840 37 million people there's going to be a lot of different uh interactions um but where so jumping to the
00:25:43.300 conclusions uh kind of uh you know armchair quarterbacking how police should be conducting
00:25:48.820 arrests and the third thing though which i think is is a lot more dangerous and destructive is jumping
00:25:57.300 to conclusions that x y or z happened because of race when there's no evidence whatsoever suggesting
00:26:04.780 that's the case and i think that is that is very dangerous it plays into the identity politics uh
00:26:12.640 angle of different situations and uh you look like there's there's there are people there there are
00:26:20.360 people of that are white caucasian background that have gotten uh beat up badly by police in the past
00:26:26.140 too i remember a case from victoria when i was was growing up and there was like a little bit of an
00:26:30.460 outrage um so it's not to me it's not a racial really it's more of a police brutality issue and
00:26:38.920 the attempt to make it a racial issue is really dangerous you see kind of that some of the tragic
00:26:43.660 uh shootings that happened i think they were both in new brunswick and the media automatically jumps to
00:26:48.740 this right this racial uh component of it and there's there's no investigation there's no uh
00:26:54.740 there's no playing out what happened like the person apparently had a knife i mean if they didn't
00:26:59.860 have a knife then it was murder but if they were charging at them with a knife as the initial
00:27:03.560 reports say then uh well obviously that's justified and why are we making this a conversation about race
00:27:09.360 or why we needed to fund the police would have been good to send a social worker to a scene where
00:27:13.540 there's someone running at you with a knife obviously not you'd have a dead social worker on your hand
00:27:18.060 so i think it's it's just really um and and really the media basically doing their part to undermine
00:27:25.940 uh citizens trust in police even if it's just 10 percent i think is is really negative and really
00:27:33.320 unwarranted the other thing is our police here are are much more consistently and better trained than
00:27:39.340 almost anywhere else in the world like look whenever you have authority uh you you're entrusting
00:27:44.580 someone with authority and to enforce the law you're going to have abuses of power like it's just a
00:27:48.440 in human nature but there's probably nowhere with more uh more and better training and also
00:27:54.340 different oversight bodies um you know to look after to ensure that's kept to a minimum so i think
00:28:01.760 it's really it's really missing the the forest for the trees and in this instance and the other thing
00:28:07.600 is i mean like it's not uh i don't know how we have like like people shouldn't be resisting arrest
00:28:15.700 that's the first way that you can avoid a violent confrontation with with police is to avoid
00:28:20.920 avoid avoid a confrontation with the police in the first place and then second i don't resist arrest
00:28:26.260 and yet that keeps uh also keeps getting lost in the conversation as if as if it's to be expected in
00:28:33.180 part of your rights to confront police and then resist arrest physically with them which obviously is not
00:28:38.800 a right of of canadian citizens so i think it's um yeah that's kind of my thoughts but i i really think
00:28:46.180 the part that i find most troubling is the identity politics aspect to make right to make a racial
00:28:53.900 component about everything and trudeau did the same thing with gender i mean he's saying now that
00:28:58.100 there's a pandemic of racism in the country uh equal with uh covet 19 which is interesting he's been in
00:29:05.160 power for five years but all of a sudden now there's a pandemic of racism that spontaneously appeared
00:29:09.560 so obviously it's just there's no intellectual consistency and it's just it's just um it's just
00:29:17.080 it's sad to see and also again police but here in victoria we've had lots of issues uh crime's gone up a
00:29:23.840 lot with this coronavirus thing and the lockdown and they have to deal with obviously the drug problem
00:29:29.960 the opioid problem and who has to deal with it all it's it's it's the police on the front lines
00:29:35.240 and i honestly think there's a thing about the body the body cams the debate about that and i'm
00:29:42.760 switching a little bit on that because now i think the police need the body cams for their protection
00:29:46.540 so they actually they can actually show what happened as opposed to just getting accused of
00:29:51.240 all these wild things so um that's kind of funny but i think no in all seriousness i know a lot i know
00:29:57.200 a couple people here in victoria who are police couple in the rcmp and also some people that work for
00:30:02.220 uh the canadian border service who i'm sure are next in the in the uh in the firing line and uh
00:30:09.120 yeah it's it's i've talked to them they're getting you know they get heckled a lot now in the walking
00:30:13.720 downtown victoria and i think it's kind of disgusting like these are most of these people are all
00:30:17.600 the vast vast majority of these people are really good people doing their best to complete a very hard
00:30:23.340 job that the vast majority of canadians would have no interest or aptitude to do so i really think
00:30:29.360 they should deserve uh deserve our respect uh absolutely i think you raise so many good points
00:30:35.180 and one of them i'm one of the slogans that you're seeing coming out of the black lives matter protests
00:30:39.540 and and and some of the you know i don't even know that they're all black lives matter protests
00:30:43.960 anymore something just like the the occupy zones and all that kind of stuff is uh graffiti and spray
00:30:49.500 paint saying like all cops are bad all cops are racist and you kind of think about people who are
00:30:54.880 just really doing their best job to serve their community and to protect their community and to
00:30:59.500 serve their country and you're seeing how they're demonized you know by by protesters but also by
00:31:04.940 politicians like you mentioned with trudeau and my question to trudeau and and also to all the all
00:31:10.600 the people who are now coming out and saying yes systemic racism is real but they didn't say anything
00:31:15.540 about it a month ago so a month ago they were complicit in it then if they truly believe that canada is a
00:31:20.380 racist country and our laws are racist like institutional racism isn't just about hey there's
00:31:25.540 some racist people in the country it's saying that the institutions of our country is systemic racism
00:31:30.320 the systems are cooked in with racism it's like so so you're okay with that a month ago but now that
00:31:36.420 these training protests have popped up you're no longer okay with it like to trudeau you're the leader
00:31:40.740 of the country you had five years to fix things like you're part of the problem pal if that's what you
00:31:45.260 really believe but anyway you know yeah the police uh are being demonized by the by the media by the
00:31:52.300 politicians and by the protesters i i gotta wonder aaron you know who would ever want to be a police
00:31:58.680 officer i mean who would who would ever what young guy or young woman growing up in canada seeing what's
00:32:04.100 going on in 2020 is going to say you know what i really want to be a police officer when i grow up i feel
00:32:09.180 like they're going to have a problem with recruiting and and if they if they don't already uh you know have a
00:32:14.120 problem with people just wanting to leave the force because they don't want to be demonized and
00:32:17.540 the and the standards are so high and the expectations are so high that they can't even
00:32:21.380 really do their jobs because they're so worried about about being scrutinized do you think that's
00:32:26.640 where we're headed i'm worried it's where where we're headed i've noticed in the states like you have
00:32:31.980 a bunch of police departments where people are just resigning on mass um but uh i mean to an extent
00:32:38.360 people have already built their careers so i think that where you really want to worry is is on
00:32:42.820 recruitment and again why would you want to become a police officer and put yourself through all of
00:32:48.780 this um you know it it's it's it's fine to be it's fine to have uh oversight obviously and and all
00:32:57.720 these things but this kind of it's it's it's really malicious judgment is how i would almost describe it
00:33:03.740 and everybody's filming thing and taking things out of context and like you said showing small clips of a
00:33:09.520 of a much larger uh episode um and i just don't and with all that pressure i don't know why and
00:33:17.160 just all the i mean look the most of your days is for most police officers is dealing with with
00:33:23.780 criminals and repeat offenders and these are not people that exactly are going to be playing fair
00:33:28.780 or treating you with respect either so you're already coming into this situation where you're
00:33:33.860 dealing with a very stressful uh high intensity job so yeah i don't know why you would want to
00:33:40.460 become a police officer now to be honest especially with uh the serve payments being extended
00:33:44.900 so far indefinitely uh you know you can just sit at home and play video games instead but
00:33:50.440 yeah i don't know why i don't know it's very uh it's very sad to see and um i mean it was only a
00:33:59.220 couple months ago we had illegal blockades all across this country and i remember in ontario actually
00:34:03.880 i think there was some issues with the opp not even wanting to go in uh to remove the the mohawks
00:34:10.340 off the um off the cn rail line and why would you want to go in it's not like you're expecting the
00:34:15.840 government or the media or even the population to really have your back uh at this point so yeah i
00:34:21.860 think it's i think it's really concerning unfortunately things probably get worse before they get better
00:34:26.420 um but yeah i think it's it's uh there's just a lack of a lack of respect and and a lot of that
00:34:34.300 stems from probably a lack of a lack of balance from the media i really think a lot of problems
00:34:39.020 stem back i'm sure you would agree to to kind of the media narrative that's being that's being pushed
00:34:44.700 and when it comes to the police instance this police uh issue in particular i think pushed is the
00:34:52.600 right way to describe how the media is spinning this narrative and pushing it onto people well
00:34:58.900 let's let's let's uh dive into that topic a little more because i feel like the world has moved online
00:35:05.040 and the media have been so slow to adapt and i'm talking about the mainstream media in canada here
00:35:10.280 cbcc tv global news but then also the sort of newspapers we're talking about post media a little
00:35:15.660 earlier and torsor those are pretty much the only two media chains so you really just have like five
00:35:21.760 six companies in all of canada that really control the media and i feel like they're
00:35:25.620 more irrelevant now than they've ever been because canadians are getting their news from such a
00:35:30.920 diverse array of places so why do you think that the media still have so much control and power in
00:35:38.180 in creating these narratives that most of us reject anyway and most people like we've been talking
00:35:43.440 about they go online to try to find the truth because they don't feel like they're really getting the
00:35:47.460 truth from the media but why why is it that these that these you know institutions still have so
00:35:52.640 much power over uh setting the narrative and crafting our our culture i think i've had this
00:36:01.080 conversation with a couple people recently as well i think they have a degree of an extra degree of
00:36:08.380 credibility to the average everyday canadian simply because uh they're on television in the case of
00:36:15.060 of the big big three that you mentioned or they have a newspaper and i think like in 50 years that's
00:36:21.120 obviously going to mean nothing because literally everything will be online but because we're still
00:36:25.820 in that kind of transformation stage i think that just lends credibility to have something like that
00:36:31.320 um i'm sure you've dealt with kind of the uh the headwinds with with that kind of a thing and i think
00:36:37.540 the second element is simply that when it comes to getting your information uh branding
00:36:43.240 and reputation matter a lot and these groups have just been around a lot longer i mean i don't know
00:36:50.520 the cbc i think has been around since this 50s or 60s and i'm not sure how long ctv and global been
00:36:55.700 around but a long time and i don't think from my recollection talking to other people i don't think
00:37:03.360 the media used to be this bad so i think they've become a lot more you know they've gone from i feel
00:37:09.400 like first and foremost trying to report both sides and balance to now almost thinking it's part of
00:37:15.640 their responsibility to seek social justice and change and i'm not a expert on it so i don't know
00:37:22.400 how much of that came from universities and and journalism like you saw with the national post and
00:37:28.780 the new york times editorial uh board kind of revolution um i feel that that has uh been changing
00:37:38.260 gradually the 90s 2000s and up to today and so there's lots of canadians that have probably gotten
00:37:44.360 their news from cbc or ctv or global for like 20 30 years or whatever so i think it's it's it's slow for
00:37:52.520 that generation to change but i think people that are you know my age under 30 under 40 are probably
00:37:59.360 more open to going to these new these new outlets these new mediums uh even like something
00:38:05.380 like joe rogan's podcast or something like that and getting their information that way uh but i think
00:38:11.200 it's just going to take time and it's going to take i mean i know true north and and post-millennial
00:38:16.120 they're not they're still uh young organizations so i think the you know all you can go from there is
00:38:23.560 is up and and the future and the future is kind of bright and that in that sense but we're starting
00:38:28.840 from uh you know even these these other institutions are starting with massive uh operations and uh most
00:38:36.980 importantly just just recognition and and reputation um but i think there's a lot of opportunity i think in
00:38:44.800 the united states it's obviously shifting faster than it is up here in canada so which usually
00:38:51.020 happens right we're a little trailing behind well that's one of the things that when i when i was
00:38:55.500 talking about the national post just thinking about it you know in the u.s there are so many
00:38:59.300 reliably conservative outlets and voices that you never really have to worry about where where can i
00:39:06.220 find conservative opinion there's just there's so many podcasters and radio hosts and and even you
00:39:12.700 know the national review which is sort of like a highbrow new york-based uh conservative magazine
00:39:19.640 they came out with an issue back in 2016 they coined the term never trump and they had you know
00:39:26.560 articles from all these different conservatives saying why they wouldn't vote for donald trump
00:39:30.680 and so you might think of the national view as being like a squishy centrist outlet but even they are
00:39:36.720 reliably conservative they don't apologize for being conservative and anytime there's
00:39:40.600 an issue that you might need clarity on or you want to learn more about it you can you can reliably go
00:39:45.540 there and and and understand what the conservative perspective would be or why the media is wrong
00:39:51.200 when they're demonizing republicans or whatever it is whereas you know the national post could be
00:39:56.780 that that sort of highbrow toronto-based cultural avenue but but it's just that they're they're too
00:40:02.040 afraid and and it's it's it's such a shame i think it can't happen soon enough erin that that we have
00:40:08.040 that shift um from from the sort of establishment uh down to to the sort of populist uh grassroots
00:40:15.320 levels and and i think with with social media and things like you're doing where you know you have a
00:40:20.320 huge audience and you're just speaking the truth and you know saying saying what's right and common
00:40:24.720 sense uh there's such a huge a huge audience for that well erin i think it's been such a a great
00:40:30.780 conversation and i think some of the things you talked about were really important just the need to
00:40:35.200 preserve tradition and to remember where we came from remember our history i i think that's such
00:40:40.180 an important message that canadians need to hear so i really thank you for joining the podcast and for
00:40:45.220 all the work you do over at erin gunn.ca and and with your videos so so keep it up and keep in touch
00:40:52.300 awesome thanks for having me candace
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