Juno News - DEFUND Foreign Aid

00:00:00 Hi, I'm Candice Malcolm, and this is The Candice Malcolm Show. Happy Friday, everyone. We have a

00:00:12 great show put together for you today. We're going to be joined in a little bit by Preston Manning to

00:00:17 talk about Canada and the future of North America. Before we get to that, I just have to tell you

00:00:23 about this unbelievable story that is breaking overnight and has been uncovered by the many,

00:00:30 many wonderful people on the internet that exposes one thing, that our government is lying to us.

00:00:36 So they're taxing Canadians, they're taxing more than ever, taking more and more of our hard 0.93

00:00:42 earned money away, and they're wasting it on programs that are patently ridiculous and woke 0.83

00:00:48 and absurd, even for this liberal government. And of course, as soon as Canadians start to 0.74

00:00:55 notice this ridiculous waste, the government tries to back down, try to hide their scandal

00:01:00 spending and try to lie about what it is that they found. Well, not so fast because we are 0.88

00:01:06 onto them. So here's what happened. It started when Conservative MP and from Calgary Shoe 0.54

00:01:12 Majumdar, posted the following on X. This happened yesterday afternoon at around 149 Eastern on

00:01:19 Thursday. And he wrote this. NDP liberals have wiped Global Affairs Canada's project database

00:01:26 clean, hiding where your taxpayer dollars are going. What was once public is now erased.

00:01:33 No transparency, no accountability. Really, truly unbelievable. And so to that tweet,

00:01:40 I asked the following question. I said, what kind of crazy, woke nonsense are they funding 0.87

00:01:47 and trying to hide? Well, at 2.10 p.m. yesterday, our friends over at Canada Proud

00:01:54 posted this story as news. This is what they wrote. Breaking. Global Affairs Canada has suddenly

00:02:01 wiped their entire public database of foreign aid spending, and the data is no longer available

00:02:08 to the public. This is a big deal, folks. This is a big story. So two hours later, two hours after

00:02:16 Canada Proud posted that, two hours, two and a half hours after Shubh Mijamdar posted on X,

00:02:22 this is at 4.19 p.m. Eastern Time yesterday, Development Canada, which is the Department

00:02:29 of Global Affairs Canada's X account dedicated to international development. Well, this is what

00:02:35 they posted to try to clarify the matters. They wrote, Global Affairs Canada's project browser

00:02:41 is currently experiencing technical difficulties and we are working to resolve this issue.

00:02:47 The claims that it was taken down on purpose are false. Okay, convenient timing, wouldn't you say?

00:02:57 At a time when Elon Musk is exposing the absolute rot and ideological radicalism of the programs

00:03:04 over at USAID, suddenly the Canadian equivalent just happens to have technical difficulties and

00:03:12 their website is down. And this is when everything starts to backfire on the Canadian government and

00:03:19 its woke department of global affairs. You see, when a community note was later slapped on that

00:03:26 Canada Proud post, which by the way was going viral, it now has over 1.1 million views. Well,

00:03:32 that community note, which you can see here, posted a link to the correct website containing

00:03:40 all the information that we were looking for. And folks, this is why I just love the internet.

00:03:47 Because as soon as that community note was slapped on to try to correct the record and say it was all

00:03:52 just misinformation, well, as soon as we got that link, the internet sleuths went to work. And I

00:03:58 love this. Dozens of independent citizen journalists jumped into action and began uncovering the crazy

00:04:05 woke nonsense. And oh, is there a lot of it. So just a sample of the craziness that we are

00:04:12 funding with our tax dollars under the guise of foreign aid, $7.2 million for gender responsive

00:04:20 health care in the Philippines. A billion dollars to the Gates Foundation's Vaccine Alliance.

00:04:27 44 million dollars to a climate food system fund in Luxembourg. 10 million dollars for abortions

00:04:35 in London, England. Oh my goodness. 13 million dollars for a rehab center in Bangladesh. Those

00:04:43 are just a few of the dozens and dozens of examples and we'll get to more. I promise as

00:04:48 True North's Clayton Demain dug up. We also give over a million dollars a year to the BBC,

00:04:54 to Britain's state broadcaster. I guess bribing the journalists in Canada wasn't enough for the

00:05:00 Justin Trudeau government. So they have to bribe the British state broadcaster. It makes no sense.

00:05:06 And again, there's so much more, which we will get to in a minute. But first, let me just say

00:05:11 that in an attempt to do damage control, Global Affairs handed us a link to the database of all 1.00

00:05:17 the incredible, stupid, wasteful, perverse, and absolutely idiotic things that they are spending 1.00

00:05:24 our money on. Now we have the list, we have the database, and all we have to do is defund it. 1.00

00:05:31 And that is why today I am calling on the government to defund foreign aid, defund

00:05:37 Development Canada, Global Affairs' foreign aid program that has been exposed as nothing more

00:05:42 than embarrassing and wasteful

00:05:45 and an arm that promotes a twisted, woke agenda 0.93

00:05:48 all over the world.

00:05:49 Defund the entire Global Affairs Canada's

00:05:52 Department of International Assistance,

00:05:55 which has wasted over $52 billion

00:05:58 from the fiscal year 2017 to 2023.

00:06:02 My goodness, that money should be spent in Canada, 0.85

00:06:05 not on these ridiculous programs. 0.94

00:06:07 So folks, help me send this message to our elites.

00:06:10 Head on over to my website right now,

00:06:12 www.candicemalcolm.com and sign this petition. Let's end the wasteful spending and the ridiculous

00:06:20 propaganda and stop pushing this twisted woke ideology on the world's poor and needy. Again,

00:06:28 head on over to my website, candicemalcolm.com, sign the petition. We're going to send this

00:06:34 message. Enough is enough. Okay. We don't want to fund this stuff anymore. We don't like the ideas.

00:06:39 we don't like the ideology, we don't want to do woke anymore, and we certainly don't want to be

00:06:44 promoting this all over the world. It really is embarrassing. It's embarrassing, folks. This is

00:06:49 what people all over the world will come to know Canada for, that Canada is the country that still 0.99

00:06:54 believes in this ridiculous, perverse nonsense. So I'm going to show you the link to the actual 0.91

00:07:02 website that I'm talking about. Sean, if we can pull that up for a second, let me just find it

00:07:10 here. This is the website that I'm talking about. And if you just take a look at the kinds of things

00:07:15 that they are funding, even just the way they describe themselves, right? Canada's effort to

00:07:20 address global issues. So the purpose of this department are actions to promote human dignity

00:07:26 and a more just, inclusive, sustainable, and safe world, okay?

00:07:32 So the purpose is diversity, equity, inclusion.

00:07:35 And they're promoting this all over the world on behalf of Canada.

00:07:39 Throw that back up, Sean.

00:07:41 Just look at some of the things that they are doing.

00:07:44 Canada's, the most requested right here on the right-hand side, you can see it.

00:07:48 Canada's feminist international assistance policy.

00:07:53 i mean is anybody else sick and tired of this stuff this is not how i want to be represented

00:08:00 this is not how i want people to think about canadians that we're pushing woke intersectional

00:08:06 feminist nonsense enough is enough we really need to defund this entire department um and i hope 1.00

00:08:13 you'll sign my petition so we can so we can send this message to the elites to the conservatives

00:08:18 to the liberals whoever's going to be the next prime minister whoever's going to win the next

00:08:22 election, they need to put this in their sights and just get rid of it. Enough is enough. Just 0.93

00:08:28 pull the plug. Do what Elon Musk is doing. They're creating a perfect model and example for us, and

00:08:34 we should do the exact same thing. So I want to highlight some of these wonderful sleuths, the

00:08:39 citizen journalists, the independent journalists on X. So there's one account here called vote

00:08:45 canada.com and they shared an archive snapshot of the database giving plenty of examples 75

00:08:53 million dollars for an inclusive economic recovery uh 751 000 for a community approach

00:09:02 to gender equitable education 7.2 million dollars for those gender reassignment surgeries in the

00:09:08 philippines another wonderful account here called freedom of goose you got to follow this guy he is

00:09:13 hilarious. He writes, you dumbasses think you are smart by deleting access to the international 0.98

00:09:18 funds section on Canada.ca. Well, you're not that bright. I got the whole data dump into a 1.00

00:09:25 spreadsheet, be quick and smart next time. And so that account continues to give more information

00:09:32 of just the kind of things that we have seen. There's a 91% spending increase in international

00:09:38 assistance between 2021 and 2023. So help me understand why they're doubling their budget

00:09:46 at a time where Canadians are struggling. Canadians are using the food bank at record

00:09:52 numbers. Canadians, more and more Canadians, more than half the country is less than $200 away from

00:09:57 not being able to pay their bills. And we have something like 40% of Canadians are worried that

00:10:03 if there's an interest rate hike increase, interest rate increase at the banks, they won't be able to

00:10:08 before their mortgage is anymore, and they might lose their house. And meanwhile, we have our

00:10:12 foreign aid budget doubling in that exact same time. It makes no sense. I'll continue reading

00:10:17 here. Ukraine has received the most of any country with $5.8 billion in funds, $5.8 billion

00:10:25 between 2017 and 2023, $18 billion going to Africa during that same time. Another one of these 1.00

00:10:33 great YouTube, or sorry, X accounts, you should follow, TableSalt13, writes that there has been

00:10:40 a $10 million contribution for something called Actions Buy-in for Women to Adapt Climate Change

00:10:48 from Global Affairs Canada, that $44,000 climate fund in Luxembourg. And Ryan Gerritsen, another

00:10:55 great X account to follow, writes that our government has given Gavi, the Vaccine Alliance

00:11:01 founded by the Gates Foundation, almost a billion dollars. It truly, truly is unbelievable.

00:11:08 And, you know, you look down at what's happening with Trump in the States and Elon Musk, sorry,

00:11:12 with President Trump, President Trump and his efforts to basically just get rid of so much

00:11:19 wasteful spending that's happening in the United States and see and seeing what Elon Musk has come

00:11:23 up with. Elon Musk has basically recommended that they completely defund USAID. Like he said,

00:11:29 you know, you're looking for a few worms in a bad apple, and then you open it up and it's all

00:11:34 worms. There's no apple. It's just all worms. And you have to get rid of all of it. So there's been

00:11:38 a lot of really funny stories that have been making the rounds. In the US, you know, you had

00:11:44 $15 million for condoms to the Taliban. This is through USAID. $400,000 to promote atheism in

00:11:53 Nepal, uh, $47,000 transgender opera to Columbia from the state department, $32,000 LGBTQ comic

00:12:02 book in Peru, $70,000 for an Irish musical promoting DEI, um, and, uh, not to be outdone

00:12:11 has $7 million for a BIPOC speaker series in Canada. That was all funded by the Americans.

00:12:18 no wonder they're getting rid of their program. And, you know, it really is more than enough

00:12:24 evidence that we need to do the same. Say it one final time, head on over to my website,

00:12:28 CandiceMalcolm.com, sign that petition, help me send the message that we need to defund foreign 1.00

00:12:34 aid in our country. Okay, I want to show one clip before I get to Preston Manning. And this is of

00:12:40 Justin Trudeau. Justin Trudeau was speaking at a Black History Month reception in Ottawa,

00:12:45 And things got a little weird. This is this is Justin Trudeau, I guess, letting his hair down in his last few days of work as prime minister of this country. And let's play that clip.

00:12:55 One of the things that comes with knowing that you're on a countdown clock to your last day means you get to be really ruthless about the things you want to do and the things that you don't want to do.

00:13:11 so there it is folks i guess be prepared uh trudeau is going to get ruthless i wonder what

00:13:20 uh he thinks the last nine years have been like now i guess he's going to show us what he really

00:13:25 believes what he really wants to do uh probably won't be defunding foreign aid but that's okay

00:13:29 because he'll be gone soon enough and hopefully the next government uh will listen okay let's get

00:13:35 to the big interview i recorded this earlier uh with preston manning um and for those of you who

00:13:40 don't know, Preston Manning is the founder and leader of the Reform Party, which was active in

00:13:45 Canada from 1987 to 2000. He represented the constituency of Calgary Southwest in the House

00:13:51 of Commons from 1993 until 2002. He served as the leader of the opposition from 1997 to 2000,

00:14:00 and then he founded the Manning Foundation for Democratic Education. He's really just an

00:14:06 absolutely incredible leader in Canada. We have so much that we can learn from him. And even,

00:14:11 you know, in his retirement, he's still active in government. He recently chaired

00:14:15 the review of Alberta's COVID-19 response and the National Citizens Inquiry. Did an incredible job.

00:14:22 We get to all of it. This is really a wonderful interview. We talk about North America, about

00:14:27 Trump. We talk about energy security and national security, the things that Canada needs to do if

00:14:32 we're a serious country, if we wanted to take seriously our sovereignty and our independence,

00:14:37 these are the things we need to do. And then later in the interview, we talk about the COVID

00:14:42 response, how it diminished trust in institutions, and what Preston thinks that Canadians can do

00:14:47 to fight back and to restore faith in our institutions. It's a great interview,

00:14:51 and it was really my pleasure to conduct it. So without further delay,

00:14:55 I will show you this interview now with myself and Preston Menn.

00:15:02 Preston, thank you so much for joining the podcast.

00:15:05 Yes, good to talk to you.

00:15:07 It's great to see you and really looking forward to this conversation.

00:15:11 So first of all, let's start with Donald Trump and the tariffs that he threatened and then reversed.

00:15:17 So, you know, right off the top, what is your takeaway on all of this?

00:15:21 Well, I think it's necessary to go back to square one.

00:15:25 And what was the first instance in which he even mentioned tariffs on Canada and Mexico?

00:15:33 This goes back to November 2019 when he was president the first time.

00:15:39 And he mentioned tariffs as a threat to try to get Canada and Mexico to be serious about stopping the illegal movement of people and drugs across the border into the United States,

00:15:54 from canada and mexico that was what the threat was linked to so it seems to me the starting point

00:16:02 and premier smith has made this point over and over again would be to tighten up the border and

00:16:08 stop illegal movement of drugs and people across that border from canada or anything connected

00:16:15 with it and if the prime minister and the premiers are getting together the first thing on their

00:16:20 agenda should not be talking about tariffs it should be talk here's what we are going to do

00:16:26 here's what we are doing to stop that illegal movement of of drugs and people and i think this

00:16:34 business of getting off onto the tariff thing when when the it was the illegal movement of drugs and

00:16:39 people that was the thing that triggered this is a big mistake well certainly and i mean we saw

00:16:46 everybody jump into action. So going back to last Saturday, when Trump came out and said, yes,

00:16:51 it's going to be a 25% tariff, 10% on energy, which I think you can credit that to Danielle

00:16:57 Smith and the advocacy diplomacy that she did, that oil was only going to be 10%, everything 0.87

00:17:04 else was 25%. Trudeau instantly jumped in and said that they were going to retaliate with our own

00:17:09 25%. Now, luckily, we avoided all that, or at least for now, because Trump did just say that

00:17:13 it's a 30-day pause, and that we'll be revisiting it in March. By then, I think we'll have a new

00:17:20 Prime Minister, Preston. But I want to point to your essay that you wrote in the National Post

00:17:26 on January 30th, where you said Canada's response to Trump needs common sense, not mindless hysterics.

00:17:33 So I think you said that the political and media establishment got off on the wrong foot

00:17:39 by responding foolishly rather than sensibly now I just want to read a

00:17:44 little bit from this because I think you make such a good point here that is not

00:17:47 being made elsewhere you wrote that Trump is a businessman and a dealmaker

00:17:51 common sense further suggests bringing a positive response to an item which

00:17:56 clearly is on Trump's agenda which also happens to be very much in Canada's

00:18:00 interest energy security this is a subject dear to Trump's heart referenced

00:18:05 his inaugural address and a front on which canada can lead with its strengths not its fears and

00:18:11 then you go on to say um thus surely common sense suggests that the most important component of

00:18:16 canada's response to trump to the trump administration should be making north america

00:18:21 more self-sufficient especially with respect to energy i didn't hear very many people making this

00:18:26 case in this point um but it's it's so obvious that canada and the united states need to be

00:18:32 energy secure so why don't you elaborate on that a little more and yes from Canada's standpoint

00:18:37 what is the one front on which we are stronger and bigger than the United States it's not

00:18:43 population that we they got a bigger population than us it's not financial resources they got

00:18:49 more financial resources than us it's not we don't have the smartest government that's certainly the

00:18:54 case but what we do have because we're the second largest nation on the face of the earth area wise

00:19:01 We have the largest or second largest stock of natural resources.

00:19:07 That is Canada's strength.

00:19:10 And it seems to me the second item on any agenda in dealing with the United States after cleaning up this border question is to say,

00:19:20 what can we do to make North America more sufficient, self-sufficient, which is what Trump has talked about, and particularly self-sufficient in energy.

00:19:31 And that's an area where we lead with our strengths, not our weaknesses.

00:19:36 Ontario, Quebec and BC particularly have a capacity to export much more electricity to the United States.

00:19:44 Alberta and Saskatchewan, of course, have the petroleum resources.

00:19:49 Ultimately, no matter what Trump says, North America will not be self-sufficient in petroleum without the exploitation of the Athabasca oil sands.

00:19:58 So that's our strength. And so it seems to me if we're developing an agenda for talking to Trump, and you notice in his interviews, he uses the word deal about every five minutes. Let's make a deal. Let's make a deal on Gaza. Let's make a deal in the Ukraine. Let's make a deal. He's a deal maker.

00:20:18 So our second item, if we want to lead with our strengths, seems to me to be on this area of energy self-sufficiency in which Canada's got a great deal to offer.

00:20:29 And let's not talk about tariffs.

00:20:31 Let's talk about how to make this continent energy self-sufficient.

00:20:34 This is getting, I'm showing my age on this, but the first time I heard the phrase continental energy security was from J. Howard Pugh with the Sun Oil Company back in the early 1960s.

00:20:49 Pugh developed that first oil sands plant in Fort McMurray.

00:20:54 He was 80 years old at the time.

00:20:55 He was one of the richest men in the United States.

00:20:58 You might ask him, what is this old guy doing up in Fort McMurray?

00:21:03 He didn't need the money, and the Sun Shipbuilding Company manufactured a lot of the tankers

00:21:13 that were used to haul oil in the First and Second World War.

00:21:20 Pew was familiar with how many of those tankers had been sunk by submarine traffic and so

00:21:25 forth, and he was convinced that North America was vulnerable from an energy standpoint,

00:21:31 particularly a petroleum standpoint.

00:21:33 was going to go let the Texan boys go and find the conventional oil. He was going to go find the

00:21:38 unconventional oil and develop it. So this is a subject that's been around for a long, long time

00:21:44 and it seems to me it's very much in Trump's mind and it's something that Canada should cater to.

00:21:49 It ought to be the second item on our agenda in talking with them.

00:21:52 Well, I agree that the most important issue is immigration and cleaning up the drugs. I know 0.99

00:21:58 I know that Pierre Polyev has tried to hit that straight on with declaring that he would impose life sentences upon fentanyl dealers and kingpins in the drug war.

00:22:09 But when it comes to energy security, Preston, I want to ask you, because if it was an easy solution, I think we would have done it already.

00:22:15 Obviously, Justin Trudeau's priority and agenda was towards the environment and making sure that everything was green.

00:22:22 But it's led to a point where Canada now imports oil from the United States, Saudi Arabia and Nigeria that were not energy sufficient, even in our own country, let alone as a continent.

00:22:34 So what like how can we how can we fix this and how can we actually make it so that we don't have to import oil?

00:22:39 Well, first of all, we have to permit and encourage pipeline development in this country to be able to get Western resources to eastern Canada.

00:22:48 This has been stalled or objected to or obstructed by the Trudeau government and by the Quebec

00:22:57 government, so getting the movement of petroleum in our own country would be an item I think that

00:23:04 you're referring to. The other point is that the last people to make these arguments in Washington

00:23:12 are the Trudeau gang. Trump thinks of Trudeau as a weak, narcissistic, lame duck leader. He's got no 0.99

00:23:23 credibility there. Freeland is, in Trump's view, if he gave any thought to it, is the Canadian

00:23:30 equivalent of Kamala Harris. Jolie, as a foreign minister, is considered a joke by our own

00:23:39 foreign affairs people, let alone the Americans. Guibault is considered to be a climate change

00:23:47 fanatic. These are people that ought to be sent on a cruise to Antarctica for the next six months,

00:23:55 and don't let them get anywhere near Washington. This gets back to your point. There needs to be

00:24:02 a change of government and get a government that is going to be credible with the Canadian people

00:24:09 in dealing with Trump. And the sooner that can happen, the better. But even since all of this

00:24:15 news came out and we sort of saw a newfound approach, like it seemed like all the parties

00:24:19 suddenly wanted to break down into provincial trade barriers and everybody was suddenly all

00:24:23 in favor of trying to figure out pipelines. Even in that scenario, the Quebec premier still came

00:24:29 out and said no to Energy East Pipeline. So how do we get something like that approved when you

00:24:35 have some sort of veto power by interests in Quebec? Well, I guess maybe the first place is

00:24:42 to appeal to Quebec's own interests. Is Quebec interested in exporting more power to the United

00:24:48 States as part of the continental energy security? If it wants cooperation from the federal government

00:24:54 of the rest of the country with respect to that, then it's going to have to cooperate with respect

00:24:58 movement of petroleum. The worry in Quebec is that that government is in a lot of trouble too.

00:25:05 If there's an election, provincial election next year, you're liable to get a separatist

00:25:11 government elected in Quebec, which is even more opposed to pipeline development. So that's going

00:25:16 to be a real internal problem for Canada and the next government, no matter who it is.

00:25:23 Further to this idea about resource development, it was interesting, Steve Bannon, who is

00:25:27 used to be a close advisor to Donald Trump. He was on with global news. I want to play part of

00:25:33 this clip because so Steve Bann, I'll set it up. He's a US media executive, political strategist,

00:25:39 former chief strategist for Donald Trump. And he said that Canada and the Arctic has been thrust

00:25:46 into the center of a geopolitical war between Russia, China and the United States. And so like,

00:25:52 whether we like it or not, Canada is the center of that. And, you know, we may choose to say we

00:25:58 don't want to align ourselves with America. But the reality is, if we don't, you know, you have

00:26:03 China and Russia knocking at the door. So let's let's play this clip. It's a bit longer. It's 45

00:26:07 seconds. But here he is explaining why Canada is so important. China and Russia, the great powers

00:26:15 and the United States fighting it out over the Arctic with the vast resources of the Arctic is

00:26:22 going to be the new great game of the 21st century canada you are thrust into the middle of that and

00:26:27 quite frankly you are the greatest i don't know if target or prize you're you're like asking you

00:26:33 you're the great prize of that that is that as you awaken and the geo economically he's saying hey

00:26:39 the united states market's so lucrative you're going to have to pay a premium to get through

00:26:43 the golden door right canada could be all part of that the geo economics of the of north america

00:26:50 combined in the geostrategic interest of north america combined and particularly hemispheric

00:26:54 defense all the way from argentina and brazil under bolsonaro all the way up to the canadian

00:27:00 arctic is what the first half of the 21st century is going to be about now i think it's interesting

00:27:06 because he's talking about it strategically he's being a realist he's not saying that he's not

00:27:11 trolling he's not saying like oh we're going to take canada because we want it to be the 51st day

00:27:16 He's saying whether we like it or not, this is the future. This is what the 21st century

00:27:20 will be about. What's your take on that?

00:27:24 Well, I think he makes a very good point. In fact, I think it's been made even more strongly by

00:27:30 Mike Waltz, who's Trump's current national security advisor, that the Canadian Arctic,

00:27:40 there's other interests. There's the Russian interests and the Chinese interests in that

00:27:44 area and so canada's going to have to sharpen up its defense and its development of the arctic

00:27:49 another area that's been completely neglected by the by the trudeau government so if we're

00:27:55 developing an agenda for talking to the united states now we got to tighten up the borders number

00:28:00 one we got the continental energy security and what we can contribute to it number two and number

00:28:08 three what are we going to do to beef up our defenses of the canadian arctic i had author

00:28:13 and sort of controversial thinker diane francis on the podcast a couple weeks ago now a decade

00:28:19 ago she wrote a book called the merger of the century and how it was a business proposition

00:28:23 that canada could potentially join in with the united states and what one of the things that she

00:28:28 pointed out to me was that canada has failed to develop the north like we don't have seaports we

00:28:33 don't even really have roads up there and if you look at the development of alaska and compare it

00:28:38 to yukon northwest territories or none of it i mean it's just starkly different the americans

00:28:43 have the ability to build and they focus on that and they prioritized it i'm not even talking about

00:28:47 military i'm talking about even just communities that we don't really have a lot up there there's

00:28:52 not really much that has been built let alone um seaports up there i i wonder like why why do you

00:28:58 think that is uh what can canada do to to show that we do have serious sovereignty up there and

00:29:04 maybe talk a little bit about canada's military because i know we i think it's it's the goal is

00:29:09 supposed to be 2% of GDP to meet our NATO targets. I think Canada barely spends 1.2% of our GDP.

00:29:16 Like our military is not a serious force and with all due respect to the men and women who

00:29:22 serve and who wear the uniform. I think everyone admits that our military has become a little bit

00:29:28 of a joke in recent years. Well that's a huge subject but your first point about there's a need

00:29:35 to develop infrastructure into the Arctic, into the Northwest Territories and into the Yukon

00:29:46 Territory. Incidentally, the province has done more of that than the federal government has been

00:29:51 Alberta. The one big road between Yellowknife and the rest of Canada is from Alberta. It's 600 miles

00:30:00 from Yellowknife to Edmonton, it's 3,000 miles from Yellowknife to Ottawa. I think the province

00:30:06 has got a lot more to do with developing that infrastructure, but that ought to be a priority.

00:30:12 And then the second point you make is very valid, that the Canadian

00:30:17 military has been neglected, particularly by the Trudeau administration, so the next

00:30:22 administration is going to have to beef that up. I think one lesson from the Second World War,

00:30:27 while Canada contributed directly in terms of soldiers and equipment, its biggest contribution

00:30:35 was basically made by C.D. Howe in organizing defense production. Canada produced a lot of

00:30:44 the equipment and the background materials that were needed by the Allies in order to conduct

00:30:50 activities in the second world war and whether particularly nato would accept if if canada's

00:30:58 contribution to nato included the direct contributions that they're talking about a

00:31:03 percentage of the defense budget but also what can canada contribute in that defense production

00:31:09 so supporting its allies with other with equipment and things like that will that be counted as a two

00:31:15 percent that's where canada had a strength in the second world war and could be that could be

00:31:20 repeated. You need someone like C.D. Howe, though, to do that. And there's nobody like that in the

00:31:25 current Liberal government at all. Well, yeah, I mean, Canada does need to focus more on building

00:31:31 up its manufacturing base in general. I think that's something that we can take away from these

00:31:35 trade threats. I want to go back to this Steve Bannon interview in the Global News report on it.

00:31:41 So I'm going to show what that looked like. Their headline says Trump's plan for hemispheric

00:31:45 control, Steve Bannon, on why tariffs may only be the start. And they show this sort of scary,

00:31:51 ominous picture of Donald Trump pointing to Canada, and it's labeled as MAGA land. They make 0.98

00:31:57 it seem kind of dark. But then even if you just listen, Preston, to what Steve Bannon said, he

00:32:04 said Canada's a prize or maybe the target. And he was talking about the golden age of America

00:32:10 that Trump has promised and said that Canada can be part of it.

00:32:13 I think this is complete nonsense. I think this is complete nonsense.

00:32:17 The first time Trump mentioned this, he said, well, Canada should be the 51st state with Wayne

00:32:22 Gretzky as the governor. It was a joke. It was one of his off-the-cuff jokes.

00:32:29 It should have been treated as a joke, saying, haha, that is funny. Let's get on to border

00:32:33 security and energy security, but particularly the central Canadian media, the hysteria in

00:32:41 the Toronto Star, for example, and central Canadian politicians took this as a serious

00:32:48 policy of the Trump government. And I think I've blown it way out of proportion. It's a ridiculous

00:32:56 proposition. For one thing, Trump couldn't get it through the US Congress. There's no way that 0.98

00:33:03 could happen without getting it through the American Congress. You're not going to get that

00:33:07 through the Congress as it's formed now. Secondly, Trump's got to watch it. He's a populist leader

00:33:15 who's got a populist base. One of those mistakes populist parties can make, and Western Canada's

00:33:21 had more experience and knowledge about this than any other part of North America, is if you get

00:33:26 elected as a populist government and get off the agenda that got you elected by ordinary people,

00:33:33 You will not be the government very long.

00:33:37 And there was nothing in Trump's platform about Canada's a 51st state.

00:33:43 There was nothing about the Panama.

00:33:46 There was nothing about Greenland.

00:33:48 And he has got to watch it.

00:33:50 His own voters will say, look, we elected you on issues of affordability and controlling this immigration thing. 0.80

00:33:57 Don't stray from that proposition.

00:34:00 The other thing, why on earth would Trump want to get a hold of Ken in its current condition?

00:34:06 If he did annex it, the first thing he'd have is three separatist movements,

00:34:10 a separatist movement in Quebec, a separatist movement in Alberta,

00:34:13 and a separatist movement in Newfoundland and Labrador.

00:34:16 What American president would ever want to get into that kettle of fish?

00:34:23 Yeah, I think you're right.

00:34:24 Well, and there'd probably be a separatist movement by the Laurentians

00:34:27 to separate from the newly formed North America

00:34:30 because they wouldn't want anything to do with it.

00:34:31 But the thing that I thought was interesting

00:34:33 about what Steve Bannon was saying there

00:34:35 was that he wasn't talking about it.

00:34:38 I think a lot of the media presented

00:34:41 like Trump has this vision

00:34:44 and it's all about protectionism

00:34:47 and America first and all that kind of stuff,

00:34:50 which is true.

00:34:51 But Steve Bannon said right in his discussion there

00:34:54 that Canada can be a part of it all.

00:34:56 So I don't think that he means that from like a sovereignty perspective, like we're going to take Canada.

00:35:01 I think he means that Canada can be part of the prosperity, part of the new golden age that Trump wants to build.

00:35:07 And we can all be part of this fortress North America.

00:35:10 We just need to get ourself in order, get our house in order, mainly with immigration, drugs. 1.00

00:35:18 That's an interesting point, Candace, but it bothers me.

00:35:22 why does Canada need to be told by an American president what its future is going to be?

00:35:27 Why does Canada need some initiative from the United States to restore pride in this country?

00:35:33 Where's the capacity to do that ourselves?

00:35:36 And one of my concerns about this whole debate is what it says about the state of Canadian democracy.

00:35:43 Everything on this agenda we've talked about, beating down internal barriers to trade,

00:35:49 strengthening the protection against illegal immigration and importation of drugs, energy

00:35:58 security, all of these things have been advocated by Canadians for years, by Canadian think tanks,

00:36:07 by Canadian political people, including myself, years and years ago. Why is it that that gets

00:36:14 nowhere in our democratic institutions. It does not get a reaction from the current government,

00:36:22 it's on another agenda that 50% of the country thinks is nonsense. Why does it take some

00:36:29 initiative by an American president to do the things that are self-evidently in our own interest

00:36:34 and have been advocated by Canadians for years? I think we've got to pull up our own socks, 0.63

00:36:41 restore some pride in their own country, get rid of these anti-Canadian crowd in the universities

00:36:47 and the schools that trash Canada every opportunity they get. How are you going to get

00:36:53 pride in the younger people in the country in a future vision? I think we've got to pull up our

00:36:58 own socks, and we ought not to have to be told to do that by an American president, no matter who he

00:37:06 Such a good point. And I agree. When the countermeasures were announced, when Justin Trudeau announced the new measures that he was going to take to secure the border, putting more money on, making sure that we have enough people at the border and all this stuff.

00:37:20 It's like, why did this take 10 years? You know, this should have been happening from the beginning, not at the very, very end of his role.

00:37:27 Well, that leads me to Justin Trudeau and his decision to resign on January 6th, or at least, Preston, that's what he told us that he was resigning, but he's still around.

00:37:36 So he didn't actually resign. He just intended to resign.

00:37:38 He prorogued parliament and now they're holding a liberal leadership race so that a prime minister can be selected by an elite few.

00:37:48 I mean, I think that the leader has already been selected.

00:37:50 I think the banks, the World Economic Forum have already given us the next prime minister of Canada, Mark Carney.

00:37:56 But as someone who's been advocating for democratic reform and who's been frustrated with the Canadian political system for decades, what did you think of Trudeau's move that he pulled here in early 2025?

00:38:09 Well, it's regrettable because it's crippled the country at the crucial time when it needs strong federal leadership.

00:38:19 It's just left the country in limbo. You've got a lame duck prime minister, but still purporting to represent the country.

00:38:28 And I'm sure if you could record some of the internal comments that are being made by some of these premiers with respect to whether Justin Trudeau ought to even be convening these conferences, I think it would be pretty revealing.

00:38:43 So it's just regrettable that we've got this lame duck situation.

00:38:47 what should have happened was they should have recalled parliament. The fact that you've got this

00:38:52 whole crisis situation and the parliament isn't even meeting, they should have recalled parliament,

00:38:58 the parliament would have moved a non-confidence motion, would be into an election, and that would

00:39:04 be the process to decide who should be the next leadership of the country. And I know the leaders

00:39:10 they're putting forward Mark Carney, you can imagine what Trump thinks of him,

00:39:15 you know, a central banker, an elitist, a snob who has nothing but contempt for the rank and file of

00:39:25 people that elected Trump or that will elect the next government in Canada. It's a regrettable

00:39:31 situation and the sooner we can get to an election and get a new government, the better.

00:39:36 So do you think that the Governor General should have said no to Justin Trudeau's request?

00:39:40 Should she have said we're not going to throw?

00:39:43 That should have been done. There's actually a precedent for that occurring in the British 0.73

00:39:49 Parliament and that would have moved things along further. But of course the Governor General's

00:39:55 Trudeau appointment with loyalties to Trudeau and just did what he said.

00:40:01 Well, it's really unbelievable that we don't have a say. What about there's a,

00:40:05 i don't know if it's a conspiracy theory because i think it's legal and it could happen but there's

00:40:09 a theory going around online that there won't be an election in 2025 that there's a that the

00:40:15 there's an act an elections canada act that says an election should happen every four years

00:40:19 but it's not in the constitution the the law can be changed it can be amended that potentially

00:40:24 whoever leads the liberal party presumably mark carney could strike another deal with ndp leader

00:40:28 Jagmeet Singh to prolong their time in power, blow past that October 2025 election date,

00:40:35 and possibly not have an election for another 18 months. What do you think of that?

00:40:39 Well, I think if they resorted to that, it would be a desperation measure which would

00:40:46 almost ensure that they're replaced in that election. And I would think members of parliament,

00:40:52 particularly NDP and Liberal members that would think twice about getting part of that kind of

00:40:58 an operation, they might be guaranteeing the loss of their own seat. I think they might be losing

00:41:04 their own seat anyway. I think Canadians are so frustrated at Jagmeet Singh in particular for

00:41:08 propping up this government for so long that he's going to lose his seat. So why would he trigger an

00:41:13 election if it just means that he's going to basically get fired? I mean, I think that that's

00:41:17 That's the concern that these people…

00:41:19 But again, you can look at the composition of that current department, 153 Liberals,

00:41:23 120 Conservatives, 33 Bloc members, three Independents.

00:41:31 The Bloc members and the Independents voting together in a confidence motion would still

00:41:36 defeat the government. It's not entirely dependent on Singh, but it's a big mess.

00:41:42 Yes. What about this story, Preston? We learned at the end of January that Justin Trudeau is going

00:41:50 to fill the Senate vacancies before retiring. So he's planning a final wave of appointments to

00:41:56 fill the 10 empty seats in the Senate. The move will allow him to mark on Parliament for years

00:42:02 to come with unelected legislatures. I know you've been a critic or at least someone who has advocated

00:42:08 for reform when it comes to Canada's upper house, upper chamber. What do you think of this move by

00:42:14 Trudeau? That would be regrettable too because that cripples the federal parliament even further.

00:42:21 In the end of the day, the House of Commons would have the whip hand over the Senate.

00:42:25 The Senate could block legislation from the House of Commons and the House of Commons could pass it

00:42:29 again. The Senate can block that, the House of Commons can pass it again. The House of Commons

00:42:34 in the end of the day can't have the whip hand. And if the Senate blocked a piece of legislation 0.82

00:42:39 three times or four times, unelected people, appointed by a discredited prime minister,

00:42:46 that would make life intolerable. I wouldn't want to be one of those senators. But again,

00:42:51 it's a shame that it has to come to that kind of a conflict at a time when the federal

00:42:57 parliament should be united in getting down to business. Well, especially when we face

00:43:01 a situation where we have an unelected Governor General, soon we're going to have an unelected

00:43:07 Prime Minister, and we have a new onslaught of unelected legislatures put into the Senate. 1.00

00:43:13 I mean, no wonder Canadians are losing faith in these institutions.

00:43:16 Yes, and as I come back to, our democratic institutions need to be

00:43:23 be strengthened and this current crisis indicates the weakness of those institutions and the fact

00:43:32 that it takes some action by an American president to get us dealing with items which our own

00:43:38 democratic process should have brought to the top of the agenda and got action on.

00:43:43 I want to move on and talk about the Alberta COVID response report. Before we do, I just want

00:43:48 to ask you because we haven't really talked about it, but Daniel Smith, I think, has just

00:43:52 been doing a tremendous job advocating for Canada. I heard Ezra Levant, he was on Rachel Parker's

00:43:57 show the other day here on True North, and he was talking about how he met with Danielle in the midst

00:44:02 of her basically back-to-back-to-back-to-back meetings. She rented a hotel room right in

00:44:08 Washington, had a conference room, and apparently her staff had, you know, minute-by-minute interview,

00:44:14 interview, meeting with different officials, lawmakers, Republican insiders, Republican

00:44:18 staffers it sounded incredible i mean just such hard work the fact that trudeau and no one from

00:44:23 the federal government was doing that and it fell on a provincial premier uh is remarkable in and of

00:44:28 itself um but i i wonder what what do you uh what do you think of the job that danielle's doing 0.79

00:44:34 um and uh you know you think she's she's hitting the right marks in what oh yes no i i think she's 0.89

00:44:39 been the strongest canadian leader on on the particular points that we should be emphasizing

00:44:45 On the border security, she linked that to the tariff issue the way Trump did on the energy security basis.

00:44:56 Alberta premiers have often had a good relationship with the Western governors of the United States,

00:45:02 who tend to think a lot like we do, and she's been active on that front.

00:45:07 So I think she's done a commendable job, and this is a job she never asked for.

00:45:12 for. The provincial premier didn't ask to have to get involved internationally with the United

00:45:19 States in this way. She never asked for it. But there's a vacuum. This is not being done by the

00:45:24 current leader. Our current federal leader is discredited. And so I think she's doing an

00:45:28 excellent job. And people should support her. And some of these other premiers ought to support her. 1.00

00:45:34 She's providing more leadership than Tudor. And that is self-evident to them at these meetings.

00:45:39 So I agree with the approach she's taking and believe she should be fully supported.

00:45:44 Well, it seems like some premiers are coming around.

00:45:46 When they first initially met with the premiers and Trudeau, they signed a joint statement.

00:45:50 Danielle said, no, I'm not signing that.

00:45:52 And she was sort of the odd man out.

00:45:53 But then, you know, over the course of the next few weeks with her advocacy and Trudeau's sort of vacancy,

00:45:59 we saw Saskatchewan come around, even Quebec came around to her perspective.

00:46:03 And I think it did win the day.

00:46:05 I want to talk about this report also commissioned by Alberta Premier Danielle Smith.

00:46:10 So she I think she's one of the only leaders, political leaders in the world to do this sort of introspective look at what happened during COVID.

00:46:19 So the Alberta COVID report was commissioned by Smith in 2022 with a mandate to explore the province's response to COVID.

00:46:27 The task force included prominent medical professionals, including doctors Gary Davidson, Jay Bhattacharya, who's been appointed into the Trump administration now, and Biriam Brittle.

00:46:37 The final report recommends the provincial government stop providing vaccines for healthy children and teenagers.

00:46:44 The report revealed evidence to suggest it was not effective.

00:46:47 For example, it highlighted that the original Pfizer vaccines did not prevent death compared to the placebo in their clinical trials in any group.

00:46:56 Further, the report alleged that Alberta Health Services

00:46:59 removed a dashboard after it showed higher hospitalization rates

00:47:03 among the vaccinated than the unvaccinated.

00:47:07 It also said there's a lack of reliable data

00:47:09 that COVID-19 vaccines protect children from severe cases of COVID.

00:47:13 The task force that published the research said

00:47:16 that vaccines were not designed to stop transmission.

00:47:19 This is all really incredible stuff,

00:47:21 things that you could not have even said on YouTube two, three years ago.

00:47:25 So now it's out in the open.

00:47:27 Again, Alberta is one of the only, if not the only government to do this kind of research and this kind of report.

00:47:32 So I wanted to hear your reaction to the report and what you make of it all.

00:47:39 Well, first of all, there are two reports that were commissioned by the Alberta government.

00:47:45 And I chaired the first one.

00:47:47 The first one was called the Public Emergency Governance Review Panel.

00:47:52 panel and its instructions were to look at the legislation which authorized the initiatives that

00:47:59 were taken by the Alberta government to cope with the COVID crisis and to recommend there's

00:48:04 changes in the law that had to be made. That report was done, finished February of 2023,

00:48:13 recommended a bunch of amendments to the Public Health Act, to the Education Act, to the Alberta

00:48:17 Bill of Rights. It takes forever to get these things through. You have to make a presentation

00:48:23 to a cabinet committee. You have to be a presentation to the cabinet. There has to

00:48:27 be a presentation to the caucus. That then has to go to the Legal Services Branch of the Justice

00:48:32 Department to do the draft legislation, which then has to be checked with the Treasury Branch

00:48:36 if it involves spending any more money. But finally, in the fall session, the Alberta

00:48:43 government did make a number of those amendments, particularly amendments to the Alberta Bill of

00:48:47 rights to tighten up the protection of rights and freedoms by law during a public emergency so that

00:48:54 was that report now this report you're talking about was not to look at the legislation it was

00:49:00 to look at the data base that informed the decisions of the government during that period

00:49:06 and as you mentioned it's it's it's produced a number of it questions the modeling that was

00:49:12 done what was the basis that modeling it's it's questioned the validity of masking of the

00:49:19 the vaccination program and of the validity and efficacy of the vaccines that were used

00:49:25 themselves a whole list of things now the the interesting thing too that that panel had about 12

00:49:32 15 basically medical people on it it's been reacted to by the uh college of physicians

00:49:40 and Surgeons, which has a list of people with medical credentials. And its report is contrary

00:49:47 to what the scientific advisory group of the government that it had at that time. So you have

00:49:52 two groups of medical scientists with conflicting views on what should have been done. And the bigger

00:49:58 question is, how do you reconcile it? How does a government bring science to bear on a public issue

00:50:05 like the COVID issue when there's this conflicting opinion within the science community? And we had

00:50:10 a recommendation in that report of ours to address that two recommendations what one is that the

00:50:17 the overall coordination of the response to a public emergency like the pandemic should not

00:50:25 be assigned to the subject department like the department of health because it's got broader

00:50:30 ramifications in health it should be assigned to the alberta emergency management agency that's

00:50:37 what it's for. And if it had been responsible, it would have had a lot more than just internal

00:50:42 medicine people on that scientific advisory panel. It would have had a psychiatrist, and it would

00:50:50 have had people dealing with the mental health impacts. It would have had an economist. It would

00:50:56 have had a broader group. And our second recommendation was that that Alberta Emergency

00:51:02 management agencies should have a science a senior science advisor whose job is to have an

00:51:09 inventory of the science that you need to deal with the issue and who could adjudicate disputes

00:51:15 between groups like the panel that was currently done and the people that actually manage the

00:51:22 the the crisis so that's a long rambling answer but i think the bigger problem here is that you've

00:51:28 got two groups, all with good, to the layman, good scientific credentials, but they don't

00:51:37 agree. The College of Physicians and Surgeons has labeled this report as misinformation.

00:51:43 So how do you adjudicate that? And our suggestion was with the senior science officer attached to

00:51:50 the emergency management agency. Well, I appreciate you laying that all out and

00:51:55 explaining the difference between the two reports, but I think both of them had the same goal. And

00:52:00 I actually think it's a good thing because the fact that the science doesn't all, scientists

00:52:05 don't all agree, doctors don't all agree, that's the reality of the world we live in. And that's

00:52:09 the frustration that so many of us had during COVID when people like Justin Trudeau would say,

00:52:14 we believe in science and our method is completely science-based. And it's like,

00:52:19 well, no, it isn't because we have scientists over here that are saying the exact opposite thing. So

00:52:23 I think proving the disagreement and proving that there are different sides was kind of the

00:52:28 point. I did want to ask you about the media response, because from my perspective, it was

00:52:31 quite hysterical, labeling it disinformation, misinformation, saying these people were

00:52:38 anti-science. It brought me back to 2020 and 2021. It was like we were there all over again

00:52:42 with all of these people in the media quoting experts, saying that the other side was wrong.

00:52:48 uh what what did you think of the media response there yeah well i think it was it's misguided the

00:52:56 there were headlines the worst reporting i think on it was by the cbc which is almost hopeless when

00:53:01 it comes to reporting anything that's going on in alberta or anything the initiative by

00:53:07 premier smith but they had headlines that alberta doctors oppose the panel report that well there

00:53:16 There were as many Alberta doctors on the panel as there were with the College of Physicians and Surgeons.

00:53:24 That's just nonsense.

00:53:26 And what is needed, though, is when there is this conflict, some way of adjudicating it.

00:53:31 And somebody with the responsibility to do that.

00:53:33 Okay, we've got this group that's saying this and this group saying this.

00:53:36 Let's hear the arguments out and see who carries our judgment.

00:53:41 And we've tried to provide that mechanism.

00:53:42 And that recommendation has not been acted upon yet by the Alberta government, but we're hopeful that it will.

00:53:50 Well, it's such a great initiative, and I appreciate you being one of the ones that was spearheading it.

00:53:55 President, I want to be respectful of your time, but while I have you, I have to ask,

00:53:59 we are just closing up nine, almost 10 years of Justin Trudeau's rule.

00:54:05 And I think if you look at public opinion polls, one of the sort of unfortunate, sad things that's happening

00:54:10 is that pride in Canada has gone way down.

00:54:13 I think only 34% of Canadians now feel a pride in our country.

00:54:17 When you look around and you see just everything

00:54:20 from crime to homelessness to drug addiction,

00:54:24 the cost of living, cost of groceries, cost of gas,

00:54:26 the number of Canadians using a food bank,

00:54:28 every statistic that you look at economically is bad.

00:54:32 I mean, it's a sad state of affairs in Canada, to say the least.

00:54:36 I'm wondering what can be done at this point in Canadian history?

00:54:41 What's your sort of final assessment of the Trudeau years?

00:54:44 And what do you think it's going to take to turn Canada around and turn ourselves into a great country once again?

00:54:50 Well, I think this Trudeau year is something, but he's labeled it a lost decade.

00:54:57 Canada's lost international prestige.

00:55:01 It's lost credibility with the G7.

00:55:04 It's lost credibility with NATO.

00:55:06 it's lost credibility internationally. But the worst effect is that it's lost its own

00:55:12 self-confidence. And I think a major effort needs to be made to restore that. And that's going to

00:55:18 be dependent on the next government, which is not going to be, in my judgment, is not going to be a

00:55:24 liberal government. And I think there's things individual Canadians can do. When you hear people

00:55:29 trashing the country and even ask your school children ask your grandkids i say this to

00:55:36 seniors that are going to university if if if they have a professor or a program that is trashing

00:55:44 the country protest that this is anti-canadianism try and root out the anti-canadianism from our

00:55:51 institutions and one simple practical suggestions i've had to friends is to fly the flag you know

00:55:59 When you go to the U.S. and go through the Midwestern towns or even in New England,

00:56:07 every eight or nine house has one of these American flags on it. Americans, for all their

00:56:15 faults that we continually point out, are basically proud of their own country. One of the ways they

00:56:20 show it is to fly the flag. Well, why don't we fly the flag? Why don't we fly the flag? If somebody

00:56:25 watching and you're concerned about this anti-Canadian at least fly the flag fly the flag

00:56:30 on your house fly the flag on your business fly the flag on your church fly the flag as a symbol

00:56:35 that you have pride in what this country is and what it can become and are opposed to anti-Canadianism

00:56:43 in all its shapes and forms well I think that's a perfect note to end the interview Preston Manning

00:56:50 I really appreciate your time your insights thank you so much for joining the show well thank you

00:56:54 very much, Candice. Good to talk to you. Always a pleasure. All right. Thank you so much. Thank

00:56:58 you for tuning in. We will be back again on Monday with all of the news. I'm Candice Malcolm. This

00:57:03 is The Candice Malcolm Show. Thank you and God bless.

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