Juno News - Disgraceful： Canadian fans boo the American national anthem

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00:00:46.800 we have so much planned in terms of content really getting ready for the election because

00:00:52.000 i believe this will be the most important election of our lives this is really a fork in the road for

00:00:58.400 canada we have two options in front of us right we have another term of liberals yes it won't be

00:01:04.880 justin trudeau probably looks like it will be mark carney and a continuation of the sort of

00:01:11.360 left-wing socialist government this idea that the government knows best that they're ruled by

00:01:16.480 experts who tell us what to do we don't really have a say they have their priorities which are

00:01:21.040 a woke agenda, a green agenda, sort of de-industrializing Canada and putting us on a

00:01:26.660 path to be a lot like the declining countries of Western Europe. Or we have another option,

00:01:32.640 which is what is being presented to us by Pierre Polyev and the Conservatives, something different,

00:01:38.320 a change. And, you know, we're still learning more about Pierre Polyev. We're still trying

00:01:43.180 to understand what a Polyev government would look like. Is it going to be a conservative,

00:01:48.280 a significantly more conservative government, something more like the American First Movement

00:01:53.240 in the States with Trump? Or is it going to be something more like the polite, centrist,

00:01:58.300 progressive conservatives? I hope it's more like the former. But again, we're still getting to know

00:02:02.840 Pierre Polyev. And we're going to get to all of that in the show today. We're going to talk

00:02:06.680 about the disgraceful, I think, performance by the Canadian fans in Montreal over the weekend

00:02:12.920 booing the American National Anthem. What a disgrace. Terrible to see. We'll talk a little

00:02:17.580 bit about Pierre Polyev's Canada First rally that he held in Ottawa on Saturday. What a great look.

00:02:23.480 What an impressive looking event with just so many people and really sounding like a leader Pierre

00:02:29.400 Polyev is. We'll talk about a gaffe, I think. Mark Carney told a podcast that he's a globalist and

00:02:36.660 an elitist. Unbelievable. It looks like the Conservatives are up in the polls. So we'll talk

00:02:41.320 about that. We'll talk about some crime updates and an update on the prerogation story. So you

00:02:46.860 know that the Trudeau government probe parliament, there is a case being put forth to the courts to

00:02:54.960 determine whether or not that was legal or not. And we had a True North reporter, Alex Zoltan,

00:03:00.080 who was in Ottawa covering that case. Alex is a journalist, author, documentary filmmaker,

00:03:05.460 and he's the crime reporter for True North Wire. Very pleased to be joined for the show today

00:03:10.640 by Alex Zoltan. Alex, welcome to the program.

00:03:13.660 well thank you for having great yeah so let's before we get to your reports on the prorogation

00:03:18.940 i just want to walk the audience through what happened with this team canada i just i absolutely

00:03:25.340 drives me crazy to see this i don't like i don't like seeing canadian fans we've seen it many many

00:03:29.660 times in cities across canada for hockey games and basketball games and now we have um the

00:03:35.340 The Team Canada is facing off against Team U.S. in Montreal on Saturday evening.

00:03:42.040 And they even had to warn the audience to be respectful of the national anthems.

00:03:46.700 After that warning, this is what we saw.

00:03:48.980 This is the display that we saw.

00:03:50.260 Let's play that clip.

00:04:05.340 so it's it's fascinating alex because you know even during the cold war uh canada would play

00:04:17.980 hockey games against the russians and i don't believe that they had the reaction like this

00:04:21.960 right the americans are our allies they are our neighbors our closest trading partner and our

00:04:26.680 friends everyday canadians and everyday americans have a heck of a lot in common but our political

00:04:31.660 classes are getting into this argument this spur and the sort of mob mentality of the Canadians is

00:04:38.100 I now hate my American neighbor I now hate my American friend and they they can't control 1.00

00:04:43.340 themselves enough um to to boo like this I thought it was so disgraceful um so let's continue with 0.99

00:04:49.300 the story because after that ridiculous pathetic display in my mind just no class just completely 0.96

00:04:56.680 completely embarrassing for our country uh well the game started off and what a game it was because 0.78

00:05:01.880 within nine seconds of starting three fights broke out so it seems that the americans weren't too

00:05:06.920 happy with these canadians booing their national anthem and you know they took it out uh with with

00:05:12.600 the gloves off on the ice so here's what that looked like this is underway and the gloves are

00:05:19.560 off. Matthew Kachuk and Brandon Hagel. This was set up. And here they come right here,

00:05:27.900 right. Right before the first Kachuk fight, this was set up. Here you go. Coaches and

00:05:34.400 players on both sides said they hoped it wouldn't happen tonight. It did. It helps

00:05:38.760 in the tone. Charlie McAvoy put one on net. Now we're nine seconds in. We had a fight

00:05:45.680 two seconds and another one one second later now in the center of the action it's colt pareko and

00:05:52.160 jt miller spilling out onto the ice and i know fighting is part of the game and a lot of people

00:05:59.180 like that aspect of the game uh but to me it was like you know their their emotions couldn't be

00:06:03.900 contained i can't imagine the electricity in the building after going through that having your

00:06:09.080 national anthem booed like look i'm a patriotic canadian i love my country if i was in the united

00:06:13.680 States and they were booing my Canadian national anthem, I would be furious. So I understand. And

00:06:17.900 I have sympathy and respect for the Americans that took it out that way. Oh yeah. And the Team USA

00:06:23.980 ended up beating Team Canada 3-1. I don't think I've ever cheered for the Americans in a hockey

00:06:28.460 game in my entire life against Team Canada. I can't say I was cheering for the Americans,

00:06:32.720 but I think that Canada deserved that. I think Canadians deserved to lose because of the attitude

00:06:37.960 and the behavior that they displayed. Look, Alex, my perspective is that this is all an artificial

00:06:43.100 manufactured story that the legacy media and the Liberal Party want this trade war. They want

00:06:49.580 Canadians to be worked up and fighting that against the Americans because it helps them 0.99

00:06:53.300 in the polls. And Canadians shouldn't engage. We should look through it, realize that, yes,

00:06:58.080 this is a trade dispute. Canada is not completely the angels in this situation. We are in the wrong

00:07:04.420 when it comes to a lot of the subsidies and the breaks that we give. We don't have free trade.

00:07:09.680 we don't have a free market here. And a lot of that is our fault. Some of it's the Americans as 0.99

00:07:14.200 well. But there's two sides to the story, right? And this idea that we should just hate the

00:07:18.680 Americans, that we should boo the national anthem and fight them. I think it's terrible. What are

00:07:22.420 your thoughts? Well, I heard a saying many, many years ago that I found very interesting, where

00:07:27.300 somebody prospected that hockey is Canada's time to act like Americans. So we're generally very

00:07:34.160 polite. We're generally very deferential. When we watch hockey, we become rude, we become impolite,

00:07:39.320 we become a bit more aggressive a bit more violent and so i think that if we look at this

00:07:44.440 um as a bit more of a one-off i mean booing generally is fun especially when you're watching

00:07:53.220 sports so i have a little bit of forgiveness in that respect i think that sports arenas are one

00:07:59.300 of those places where you can be a little bit more disrespectful that being said i understood that

00:08:03.220 the person who was doing the anthem was a veteran and so i think that that is makes the situation a

00:08:08.720 bit more egregious to your point and i'm trying to look at this a bit more holistically and a bit

00:08:12.400 forgivingly yeah i get it that when you're at a sports game maybe you're you know you're having

00:08:17.200 a couple drinks and you're with your buddies and that you know you let your kind of wild uh side

00:08:22.160 out to to me though it's it's just like they've inserted politics into sports the the thing about

00:08:27.760 sports is supposed to be escape from an escape from that and so when you have this like political

00:08:32.400 agenda that you know is manufactured right you know that it's there to help the trudeau liberals

00:08:38.480 with their polls because the more that this issue is spoken about the more the issue is focused on

00:08:42.800 the better that they do and the the liberals are so good at this right they're like maniacally evil

00:08:48.080 but they're good at this they're good at whipping up the mood of the country to suit their political

00:08:53.360 agenda we saw during covid and i feel like this is just like covid all over again yeah i definitely

00:08:58.880 get that sense as well but i also am old enough to remember in the late 90s i think it was donovan

00:09:03.520 Bailey and Johnson. There was a lot of friendly competition between Canada and the United States

00:09:09.040 and a variety of different arenas including hockey and racing and other sports and friendly

00:09:13.760 competition. I don't think that there's anything wrong with that. I think that that's good but I

00:09:17.440 also agree that it's important to remain respectful. Yeah I want to show a couple of

00:09:22.000 tweets that I thought picked up the mood really well. So the first one was an account called DC

00:09:25.840 Drain. You should follow them on X. Huge account run by an individual named Brogan O'Handley. He's

00:09:30.400 got millions and millions of followers and he posted this he says i know this tariff battle

00:09:34.960 has got canadians seemingly pitted against americans but i want to make something clear

00:09:38.880 for the record our beef is not with the canadian people it is with the liberal canadian government

00:09:43.520 terrorizing the canadian people tens of millions of americans appreciate the canadian truckers

00:09:48.160 for what they did to destroy covid protocols worldwide we are now fighting their hostile

00:09:53.200 government to help liberate you well i don't know about that last i don't think that we need

00:09:56.960 any help liberating ourselves although if uh if mark carney becomes the next elected prime minister

00:10:02.960 i think maybe at that point we might but uh the point is i think that you know we can get past

00:10:09.760 the politics of it all we all probably agree on a lot more than we disagree with another one is

00:10:14.080 our friends over at resistance coffee company and they wrote this on x we're an overtly canadian

00:10:19.760 company and unapologetically reject all of the anti-american sentiment we're seeing it's naive

00:10:25.120 pathetic and immature this is an artificial narrative political elites are using to maintain

00:10:30.000 power we want nothing to do with it yes yes i completely agree with that what are your thoughts 0.90

00:10:37.040 well i also understand that the cost to attend this game was very high i think it was somewhere

00:10:41.680 in the vixen or the somewhere between 800 and a thousand dollars for one ticket so similar to

00:10:47.840 maybe a taylor swift concert or something like that so i imagine it was a lot of elites that

00:10:51.520 were there a lot of people who um maybe are liberal donors perhaps i don't know if it's a

00:10:57.520 fair representation of canadians generally yeah fair enough it's sad how canadian sporting events

00:11:03.040 i know it's like that to go to a maple leafs game as well and then you go to leafs game and

00:11:06.960 everyone's wearing a suit and people are on their phones not even watching it's it's it's not like

00:11:11.440 the hockey games i grew up watching well i want to segue that into this canada first rally that we

00:11:16.800 saw in ottawa so pierre polyev you know many people are saying that he gave the speech of

00:11:21.760 his life that he really rose to the occasion that he looked and sounded like a prime minister

00:11:25.680 you can see he's back wearing his uh you know nice tailored suits um and he's he's gotten away

00:11:31.920 from the sort of like t-shirt and aviator glasses that look that he was he was going for a while

00:11:36.960 uh he came out and i i think i think that the imagery uh sean do we have any b-roll of this

00:11:41.600 you know the imagery of of Pierre Polyev uh going out there with the huge maple leaf the big

00:11:48.480 um backdrop there a huge vibrant uh crowd really really enthusiastic he had his beautiful wife Anna

00:11:56.400 introduce him and you really got to see a softer side of Pierre another side of him and then he

00:12:01.520 came out and he gave a big speech you know talking about his his big plans for Canada how he would

00:12:07.200 put canada first going through his priorities uh you know overall it it seemed like a speech by

00:12:13.760 someone who's winning a campaign right like you can compare that to uh what mark carney is doing

00:12:19.200 and uh you know pauliev it just looks like a winning campaign you can see there the big beautiful

00:12:25.840 maple leaf behind him uh like a huge huge crowd of people there i think there was tens of thousands

00:12:32.000 of people in attendance um and really he he he sounded great so uh the the focus of his campaign

00:12:40.080 unfortunately of the speech unfortunately went back to what i think is this manufacturer narrative

00:12:45.280 this idea that the tariffs are coming that we're in a trade war with the americans that is

00:12:49.520 unavoidable and that the only thing that we can do is basically turn our backs to the americans

00:12:54.560 and try to find new partners try to find new allies and try to find new trading partners i

00:12:58.800 I don't think that's the right approach, Alex.

00:13:00.260 I still think that Canada's best approach

00:13:02.380 is to lean into our friendship with the Americans

00:13:04.360 and find a way to make a deal with Trump

00:13:06.220 because the things that he wants

00:13:07.620 are the things that we want too, right?

00:13:09.760 We want more secure borders.

00:13:11.500 We want drugs off our streets.

00:13:13.280 We want free trade, not all of these subsidies

00:13:15.780 and all of these basically special deals for insiders

00:13:20.400 and subsidies for Canadian companies.

00:13:23.440 Like all of the things that Trump is asking for, we do too.

00:13:26.700 So I'll play a few clips.

00:13:28.220 First, Pierre Polyev said that he would enact retaliatory tariffs on on any tariffs imposed by the United States.

00:13:37.120 We already knew this. But here is a clip of him saying that retaliation is only the beginning.

00:13:43.800 Retaliation is only the beginning. Yes, we need to retaliate.

00:13:46.840 If they put tariffs on our steel and aluminum, I will put tariffs on their steel and aluminum.

00:13:52.460 them. If they hit us with generalized tariffs, we will respond dollar for dollar. Yes, we will

00:14:00.460 carefully target American goods that we don't need, can produce ourselves, or we can get elsewhere

00:14:05.200 to maximize the impact on Americans while minimizing the impact on ourselves.

00:14:12.220 I think that's a bit of a pipe dream that we can harm them without them harming us. Of course,

00:14:16.240 our economy is much, much bigger and much less reliant on ours. But, you know, he's saying what

00:14:21.580 he's got to say, I guess. Next, we had Pierre Polly of adding this line, which is a little bit

00:14:26.680 of a dig against Americans, quoting Winston Churchill here. Let's play that clip. As Winston

00:14:32.860 Churchill said, though, you can always count on the Americans to do the right thing after exhausting

00:14:39.520 all other possibilities. I guess it was a clever line. I thought it was unnecessary. What do you

00:14:49.060 think, Alex? I think it's very funny. And I actually agree with Paul Yev and respectfully

00:14:54.360 disagree a little bit with what you had to say, because I actually don't think that Trump cares

00:14:58.540 whether we have drugs off of our street or not. He certainly hasn't said as much.

00:15:02.520 He is simply saying that he wants fentanyl to quit flowing in over the northern border,

00:15:07.260 a claim that I actually find rather nebulous and dubious. I think that there's a bit of a

00:15:13.060 logical leap that some people are making that Trump wants what's best for Canada. That's not

00:15:17.300 what he said. He said that he wants Canada to stop pouring fentanyl into the United States,

00:15:23.660 which again, I don't think that that claim necessarily holds up to the data on either

00:15:26.880 the American or the Canadian side. And so I actually agree with Polyev's approach. I know

00:15:32.300 that it's not necessarily popular, but I think that it's the right approach. And I also remember

00:15:36.780 that Polyev saying something at a presser I attended, where he said, it's inexcusable if

00:15:40.740 the issue is over fentanyl to impose a 10% tariff on China and a 25% tariff on Canada.

00:15:46.300 in what world does that possibly make sense if your biggest concern is because they already

00:15:50.780 they already did the tariff on china right so the time when it came in during trump's first

00:15:55.540 administration canada didn't have a tariff of that back then so they already have a 25 tariff

00:15:59.600 that came in during trump point 1.0 and then now there's an additional 10 so so it's not it's not

00:16:05.500 just 10 versus canada it's just an increase on what he had already done and yeah sure trump's

00:16:10.920 not out there looking to take care of canada but the reality alex is that we share a hemisphere we

00:16:15.060 share the Northern North America. And so if there's rampant drug use and drug manufacturing

00:16:21.060 and fentanyl labs across Canada, like we found these super labs. I had Sam Cooper on my show

00:16:26.660 last week and he walked me through in great detail how China is creating and moving all 0.99

00:16:32.820 these drugs, working with like a United Nations of transnational gangsters from countries like

00:16:39.220 India, Iran, China, Mexico, all operating in Canada. Trump very much has it in his interest

00:16:47.360 to shut that down. Like, it's a lot harder to close down our huge shared border with the United

00:16:52.760 States than it is to just get it under control in Canada in the first place. And I do think it's a

00:16:57.380 big problem. I think that the stats that we see going around, like, oh, less than 1% comes from

00:17:01.760 Canada, that's a manufactured narrative, right? That's just based on what they find, because we

00:17:06.020 have, again, like an unmanned border, right? So you can cross the border into the United States

00:17:09.960 from Canada, most of the time without being checked. Whereas in Mexico, everyone's going 0.98

00:17:14.400 to get checked. So it's not apples to apples. And to Sam's point as well, less than 5% of the

00:17:19.580 containers that leave from Canadian ports get checked. So 95% of them are going completely

00:17:23.680 unchecked. And that's a lot of the ways that they are distributing it. So just because it's not

00:17:28.480 being caught, that's part of the problem, right? We don't have the efforts needed to crack down on

00:17:33.040 this because we don't take it seriously. Yes, yes and no. So the Cato Institute did a really

00:17:38.440 great study where they showed that 90% of the fentanyl that is seized comes over across legal

00:17:43.380 points of entry on the northern border. That, of course, is a shared responsibility as well.

00:17:48.060 So if the drugs are pouring in, then it's as much the Americans' fault as it is our fault to some

00:17:53.140 extent. Also, one of the ways that you could backtest the theory that there may be a lot of

00:17:57.280 people crossing over illegally carrying fentanyl would be to look at how many people who have

00:18:01.820 crossed over illegally and been caught doing so, how many of them possessed fentanyl? And the

00:18:06.560 amount who possessed any fentanyl at all was 0.02%. So I really do find this claim that fentanyl is

00:18:14.700 pouring in from Canada into the United States to be a nebulous one, and one not supported either

00:18:19.080 by the data or by the way that the economy and the supply and demand dynamics work when it comes

00:18:26.400 to fentanyl. So I was talking to a journalist in Seattle, her name is Katie Daviscord, and she's

00:18:31.400 done quite a bit of research into this subject. And you can actually buy a gram of fentanyl in

00:18:36.000 Seattle for a fraction of the cost of buying it in Vancouver. And the reason for that is very

00:18:40.880 simple. The United States has a lot more fentanyl flowing in from Mexico, whereas Canada really just

00:18:45.820 has domestic production. We don't have any direct competitors. So you can sell fentanyl for a

00:18:50.600 premium in Canada versus the United States. So it would be, you'd almost be crazy or stupid to take 1.00

00:18:56.240 lot of fentanyl in a truck over the land border from canada to the united states i i truly don't 0.97

00:19:02.560 believe that this claim really holds up to scrutiny or the data or statistics okay so if

00:19:07.120 you don't think that it's over fentanyl like what do you think this is all over then i think that

00:19:13.360 i think we certainly do have a domestic ventanil problem i don't think anybody's going to deny that

00:19:17.440 and it's a tragedy and it's a generational concern it's very very important i think that part of it

00:19:23.600 it is, is that he doesn't like the administration. He doesn't like the Trudeau government. And it's

00:19:28.080 hard to blame him for that. Who does? Look at their polling numbers here in Canada. But I think

00:19:33.620 that a lot of this is really quite petty. And I think it is a logical leap to say that, well,

00:19:38.880 if Trump wants fentanyl to stop pouring in from Canada, which again, I don't necessarily think

00:19:43.020 is an accurate claim, then that means that what he really wants is for us to get rid of fentanyl

00:19:47.980 within Canada to save Canadians. He's not saying that. And I think it's a bit of a bit of a leap

00:19:53.080 to assume that that's what he means, right?

00:19:56.320 Well, yeah, I'll take the point

00:19:58.880 that it's a lot more expensive to produce it in Canada

00:20:01.360 and that it's a shared responsibility.

00:20:03.280 I would prefer, Alex,

00:20:04.480 that we didn't have a completely closed border,

00:20:07.780 that we didn't have every single vehicle

00:20:09.580 and truck being inspected,

00:20:10.820 that there was just a level of trust

00:20:12.100 between the two countries,

00:20:13.220 that we have similar standards

00:20:15.000 and that we have similar concerns.

00:20:17.180 And so to your point about the administration,

00:20:18.780 I think that if we had an administration

00:20:20.060 that was harder and firmer on crime,

00:20:22.620 on immigration, on terrorism, that that would give them assurances that we wouldn't need to

00:20:28.160 completely like militarize our border and have checks. I don't know if you've ever crossed the

00:20:32.120 U.S.-Mexico border by car. I have several times. And it's wild, like compared to the experience

00:20:37.520 of doing it in Canada, where, you know, you just hop in the car with the family, go through,

00:20:41.140 show them your passports or whatever, and you're through. In Mexico, like it's like they get you, 1.00

00:20:45.580 you get out of the car and they search everything in every bag. And like, it's more intense than

00:20:49.620 going through an airport security. So I would never want that for Canadians. And I think that

00:20:54.420 the best way to do that is to maintain a strong relationship of shared values, not turning our

00:20:59.860 backs to the Americans. Okay, I want to move on to some of the... If I could just add one more thing 0.70

00:21:04.080 to that, actually, which I thought was interesting. So somebody, when I was on my way back from

00:21:07.440 Ottawa, somebody who was sitting next to me, they work on yacht motors in the Cayman Islands.

00:21:12.760 And they were saying that a lot of the drugs comes in through the ports on private boats.

00:21:16.600 And one of the reasons for that is that if you're if you're close to getting caught, you just ditch the drugs into the sea.

00:21:22.620 So he says this is actually the preferred method for traffickers versus taking it over the land border.

00:21:28.380 And also, as you correctly noted, they don't do a lot of checks at the port either.

00:21:32.740 So I think that there's it actually shook my trust a little bit in my faith in the Trump administration that this claim that a bunch of fentanyl was coming over across the northern border was given as much airtime as it was.

00:21:45.000 because i i really don't think that the claim holds up to scrutiny or critical thinking

00:21:49.080 interesting okay let's move on i want to talk about christia frayland because she 0.96

00:21:52.520 shared on x a picture of pierre polyev walking onto the stage at his canada first rally and

00:21:59.640 basically just said that it was the same as donald trump uh wondering uh she writes we're wondering

00:22:05.560 where we've seen this movie before and then she posts a picture do we have the picture there sean

00:22:11.480 of basically just Pierre Poliev with the Canada flag.

00:22:17.120 No, I guess we don't.

00:22:18.500 And then you can take that down, Sean.

00:22:20.600 And then Trump with the American one.

00:22:23.680 So I guess if you have a flag and you do a rally,

00:22:27.240 that must mean that you're just like Trump.

00:22:30.040 I want to move on.

00:22:31.080 So Mark Carney came out.

00:22:33.740 This was pretty wild to me.

00:22:35.000 So on Saturday morning, he did an interview on a podcast

00:22:37.740 called The Rest is Politics with Alistair Campbell

00:22:40.280 and Anthony Scarmucci.

00:22:42.280 So Alistair Campbell is a British journalist

00:22:43.840 and he was a former political staffer

00:22:46.860 and strategist for Tony Blair and the Labour government.

00:22:49.820 And then Anthony Scarmucci was a very, very short-lived

00:22:53.000 DCOM, Director of Communications

00:22:54.820 for the Trump administration,

00:22:56.260 the first time President Trump was in office.

00:22:58.500 They host a podcast.

00:22:59.340 They had Mark Carney on there.

00:23:01.300 And watching this podcast, basically they asked,

00:23:04.460 hey, what are your greatest strengths and weaknesses?

00:23:06.820 Which, you know, is a pretty standard,

00:23:08.740 straightforward question for a politician,

00:23:10.840 you'd think that he'd have a good answer planned.

00:23:13.340 I don't think this is a good answer.

00:23:14.980 Let's play that clip.

00:23:19.360 My strength is I know how the world works.

00:23:21.180 I know how to get things done.

00:23:22.320 I'm connected, I can deliver for the country.

00:23:25.300 And my weakness is, you know, people will charge me

00:23:28.260 as being elitist or, you know, a globalist

00:23:32.160 to use that term, which is, well, that's exactly,

00:23:35.600 you know, it happens to be exactly what we need.

00:23:38.740 So he's a globalist. He's an elitist. I think that he was using those terms to mock his critics, basically saying that they'll call me that and then kind of laughing it off. But then he pivots and says, but that's exactly what we need, which kind of goes to emphasize and score that he actually does believe that he's an elitist and globalist. And that's what's good for the country. So you're going to get like another four years of rule by expert, rule by elite, Mark Carney. I think that was a pretty disastrous way to answer that question.

00:24:08.740 question. What did you think, Alex? Oh, I completely agree. And it always amuses me how

00:24:13.320 little central bankers do. I mean, when you think about it, all they do is they take the data that

00:24:19.840 was gathered by other people who are smarter than they are, and then they just make a wild guess

00:24:24.080 three or four times a year, either up or down, based off of that data that other people collected.

00:24:29.900 Central bankers are not experts really in anything. They're just professional guessers.

00:24:34.020 and it's interesting so i want to link this to another story we had mark carney was on cbc with

00:24:40.980 rosemary barton yesterday sunday february 16th and he he he said something that i don't

00:24:49.540 think or true he says that former prime minister stephen harper once asked him to be the finance

00:24:55.380 minister um so he he basically just said that back in 2012 harper was in some way trying to recruit

00:25:02.500 him to be the finance minister and he says that it wasn't appropriate because at the time he was a

00:25:08.260 bureaucrat um first okay let's play this clip and then i'll get you to react to it it's politics

00:25:14.340 right now have you been offered positions in the past i have been offered positions in the past

00:25:19.540 i was offered for example prime minister harper asked me if i would be his finance minister

00:25:25.140 uh in 2012 wasn't appropriate to proceed with that i didn't so as we know he was the governor

00:25:31.780 of the bank of canada and then he moved over and became the governor of the bank of england and

00:25:36.260 started sort of a career in english banking and politics uh so kind of strange but all of a sudden

00:25:41.620 he's saying that at the time harper was trying to recruit him i don't remember that story at all

00:25:46.900 harper's former communications director dimitri sutis denied this claim in a cbc report he wrote

00:25:52.260 that mark carney is not telling the whole story and prime minister harper certainly does not

00:25:57.380 support Mr. Carney in any way. Dimitri Soudis also shared on Axe a link to a story from back

00:26:05.860 in 2012 in the Globe and Mail. The story is called How the Liberal Party Lost Mark Carney.

00:26:11.860 But the point of the article, if you read it, is that Mark Carney was very much in the orbit of

00:26:16.900 the Liberal Party at that time in 2012. He was a party member, he was part of the party,

00:26:21.860 he wasn't a conservative, he wasn't in Harper's circle or Harper's orbit. So it's sort of a

00:26:26.660 strange claim um to put out there what do you think alex he's a strange guy generally i mean

00:26:33.780 generally ministers of finance also are elected it seems strange to me that he wants to become

00:26:38.980 the prime minister without having made any effort at any time in his lifetime of trying to be elected

00:26:45.780 in any capacity whatsoever kind of seems like he's jumping the coop a little bit there typically you

00:26:51.540 become a member of parliament or you get active at the local level uh it is really characteristic

00:26:58.180 of an elitist to want to just jump straight to position a prime minister without ever having

00:27:03.620 ever been elected to anything as small as even school council yeah and and to your point that

00:27:09.940 like the central banker has a very kind of public role but it's not like he he's acting alone and

00:27:16.980 And it's not like a politician where you have to lead a party or, you know, get elected by the people.

00:27:23.320 It's like, it's an appointed job. It's a very high profile job.

00:27:26.980 I don't think that he has a great track record in either country with the printing of money, borrowing, raising interest rates, all those things that you mentioned.

00:27:34.780 But kind of a strange thing to slip in there.

00:27:36.920 I think that probably he wants Canadians to think that he is sort of like a bipartisan pick and that he's not as hard left as Trudeau, not as right as Pierre Polyev, kind of the Goldilocks approach there that he's just right.

00:27:52.720 One thing that I think had a lot of conservatives feeling a little hopeful about is, so we covered this on the show on Friday, but the polls have shown, since Justin Trudeau resigned and Mark Carney has become the sort of person that looks like he's going to be the next prime minister, the liberals' fortunes have been increasing in the polls.

00:28:10.120 So polls have slowly shown liberals chipping away at the conservatives and Pierre Polyev's massive lead.

00:28:15.840 Well, there was a new series of polls put out by Abacus Data, a very reputable polling company, that shows that the Conservatives still lead the Liberals by 19 points.

00:28:26.660 And so the head of Abacus there, David Coletto, said that he got the results and basically he was so surprised by how big the Conservative lead was that he went back into the field and did another poll just to make sure that what he was seeing was correct.

00:28:42.040 And the second poll confirmed that. So you can show this graph, Sean, that shows a federal vote intention. Here we have the Conservatives with 46% and the Liberals all the way down at 27%. So if you look back to a January 27th poll, it shows that, yes, the Liberals are doing better, but their gains are coming at the expense of the NDP, the Bloc, and possibly the Green, whereas the Conservatives are also going up.

00:29:10.040 So he's not. So Mark Carney as leader is not chipping away at the conservative lead, according to Abacus and according to that poll.

00:29:17.060 So I think there's a lot of conservatives that are very relieved to see that there was a lot of kind of anxiety and concern that maybe with the change in the ballot question,

00:29:26.340 the idea that maybe the election is not going to be about cost of living, but instead it's going to be about this looming trade war and this new narrative that the media has managed to create in the last couple weeks here,

00:29:34.960 that that would be very bad for the conservatives. But according again to Abacus, that's not the case.

00:29:40.040 so what are your thoughts on that well if you go into the streets and you ask people are you

00:29:45.000 enthusiastic about mark carney i imagine you're not going to get a lot of people saying yes i'm

00:29:49.960 extremely enthusiastic about mark carney this definitely seems like a mainstream media

00:29:55.240 fake narrative the idea that mark carney is this there's a carney mania going on is uh

00:30:01.080 kind of patently ridiculous in my opinion and i'm glad that the polling data from abacus shows that

00:30:06.040 yeah it's hard to um imagine just like a lot of groundswell support for a wealthy banker that's

00:30:13.800 swooped in after like being out of the country for several decades i that's just not really the

00:30:18.440 profile of a politician that you can imagine you know having a lot of popularity among canadians

00:30:23.800 it seems that the liberals have tried to do this several times and it doesn't work for them

00:30:27.560 uh but i mean mark carney does seem like i'll get this pretty nice guy he seems like a nice person

00:30:33.960 um it's just that his ideas are all wrong and his background is wrong and he's arrogant about it and

00:30:39.720 i i just i don't think that that's going to be appealing i heard him described once as timu

00:30:44.040 michael ignatiev yeah the liberals have tried this several times and it never seems to work out well

00:30:51.800 for them and i don't think that this is going to be an exception to the to the rule i completely

00:30:55.960 agree okay i want to move on to some reactions so as you hopefully everyone's caught this interview

00:31:01.400 that we did with Pierre Polyev. I flew out to Ottawa and sat down with the Conservative leader.

00:31:06.720 I think it was the first long form sit down interview he had done since the Jordan Peterson

00:31:10.940 one that he did at the very beginning of the year. And I just want to sort of talk a little bit about

00:31:15.740 my takeaway from the interview and a little bit of the media's reaction. So for me, the thing,

00:31:22.740 first of all, I was delighted that Pierre Polyev would sit down with me and do an interview with

00:31:26.240 me. I think it was a great sign for independent media that he doesn't believe in the sort of

00:31:30.880 lockdown club that you have to be part of the parliamentary press gallery or work for a legacy

00:31:35.660 media press outlet in order to get access to a politician. I think that's the exact correct

00:31:39.960 step for the future. And it was nice to see that juxtaposed that with the fact that our reporters

00:31:45.320 weren't even let into the room for Mark Carney's launch event in Edmonton. Even mild-mannered,

00:31:50.460 polite Isaac Lamoureux, who's from Edmonton, wasn't allowed into the room. So, you know,

00:31:55.680 huge difference in terms of access. I think that my questions on immigration, asking him about

00:32:03.600 deportations of illegals, deportation of people who commit violent crimes, you know, he mentioned

00:32:09.260 specifically people that go to these Gaza rallies and, you know, commit hate crimes and try to burn

00:32:14.260 down synagogues, all kinds of stuff, that he would have no tolerance for that. And he would deport 0.99

00:32:19.220 those people and cancel their visas. He talked about how he wanted to get the immigration levels

00:32:23.380 back down to the Harper era, which some people in our audience will say, well, that's not good

00:32:27.460 enough. We want to have more of an immigration break. But I think when you think about the fact 1.00

00:32:31.180 that Justin Trudeau is letting in half a million new permanent residents every year, plus another

00:32:36.080 million some students and temporary for visas, I think we end up having somewhere in the orbit

00:32:41.180 between two and three million newcomers a year. And Pierre's saying, let's bring it back down to

00:32:45.540 200 to 250. I think that that is huge. And I was very pleased to hear him say that. And then this

00:32:53.000 was the clip that really melted the minds of the legacy media. So I asked him about access to

00:33:00.540 politicians, like I mentioned, versus the parliamentary press gallery. Like part of the

00:33:04.720 problem with independent press is that we can't get into the parliamentary press gallery because

00:33:08.760 it's run by this kind of like mean girl group who don't acknowledge us as real journalists because

00:33:14.860 we don't work for one of their outlets. So he's saying that those people won't be in charge

00:33:18.580 anymore and he would let everyone in. So I think we have a little clip of what that looked like.

00:33:23.360 Let's play that clip, please. The Parliamentary Press Gallery is like an insiders group. They

00:33:27.840 don't want to give access to people who don't work for legacy media. What would your policy

00:33:31.720 be around allowing access to your government or to you personally for independent media?

00:33:36.860 Absolutely. I think their independent media should be allowed on the precinct. There's

00:33:41.000 no reason why it should be a small cabal of government approved mouthpieces.

00:33:46.460 So I'll just walk us through what happened there. So first we had TVI journalist Hadi Hassan

00:33:54.980 shared that clip on X and basically just described what it was in French. We had the

00:34:01.120 Toronto Star columnist and CBC pundit Chantal Ebert chimed in. She quote tweeted it and wrote

00:34:08.100 sounds familiar somehow. So I guess that's supposed to be a Trump reference and supposed

00:34:13.580 make us feel very scared that somehow uh polyev is like a fascist or something um okay and then

00:34:20.620 next we had uh her toronto star call uh colleague uh sports columnist this guy is like perpetually

00:34:26.540 miserable and angry bruce arthur he weighs in and he said for the record that is candace malcolm

00:34:33.260 whose faux news operation true north employs racism and proud boy pusher harrison faulkner

00:34:39.420 and malcolm co-founded junior with kian bexty rot 0.68

00:34:47.820 okay one more one more uh then we had a freelance journalist of parliamentary press gallery

00:34:52.300 member dale smith who's a reporter and he is just really amusing uh he really doesn't like us either

00:34:59.260 so he he writes on x reminder it's not up to the government to decide who gets gallery membership

00:35:04.380 the gallery is self-governing and so yeah that's the point like that's what i said i i didn't ask

00:35:09.420 pierre if he could get us into the parliamentary press gallery i said will you give us access

00:35:13.260 because the parliamentary press gallery is this insiders club and then uh dale smith added this

00:35:17.580 he said regarding the interview question true north slash bexy slash juno news haven't been

00:35:23.500 granted membership because they're not actually journalists okay so i guess i guess we're not

00:35:31.580 real journalists because we don't know what toe the party line we don't take subsidies from trudeau

00:35:36.460 you know we're not we're not loyal obedient members of the press like uh him and his friends

00:35:41.020 are so i actually wear that as a badge of honor uh what did you think oh me as well i completely

00:35:45.820 agree and i think that there's nothing more banal than a journalist who pretends to be unbiased and

00:35:51.980 objective nobody is we're all human beings we all have our own internal biases and so i i'm proudly

00:36:00.060 a bit of a conservative partisan i don't mind admitting that when i write something or when

00:36:05.500 i'm on a podcast because i think it's important for people to know where i'm coming from

00:36:09.580 and i think that's actually part of the new media is what makes it superior to mainstream media is

00:36:14.620 that we don't constrain ourselves to this fake this fake position of neutrality that they do 0.90

00:36:21.820 because they're not neutral and for them to pretend that they are is is completely ridiculous

00:36:26.620 and absurd and people are recognizing that and that's why their viewership is down so much and

00:36:30.220 why chorus entertainment is a penny stock that's probably going to be going out of business as soon

00:36:34.700 as trudeau is out of office well it's funny because yeah like that was the kind of the hit

00:36:39.980 that they used to make against me that i was more conservative and to me that's nothing to be

00:36:44.780 ashamed of i'm proud of the fact that i'm a conservative i'm probably more socially

00:36:48.620 conservative than either of the mainstream political parties in the country actually

00:36:53.100 definitely am even more so than the people's party um but that's that's who i am but it's like

00:36:57.980 i'm not going to pretend that i'm neutral and pretend that i'm rosemary barton to go out there

00:37:02.460 and give interviews even though we know that she is biased from the left but she just doesn't admit

00:37:06.940 it and that's that's sort of i think the main difference and you know our news isn't for

00:37:11.260 everyone um so if you don't like our perspective then you don't have to watch us we're not trying

00:37:15.420 to force it down your throat and we're not trying to take government subsidies we're not saying that

00:37:19.100 that everyone should pay for us.

00:37:20.640 We just want to be able to have the opportunity

00:37:23.000 to report to our audience that wants to hear news

00:37:26.860 from our perspective and opinion.

00:37:28.640 So yeah, I find it funny that they get so worked up

00:37:33.000 and so upset over us having, just being able to do our job.

00:37:36.740 Like I don't begrudge them for doing their job.

00:37:39.280 But I do think part of it definitely is the fact

00:37:41.800 that we are growing and we have a successful business model

00:37:44.600 and people are interested in our work.

00:37:46.540 And I don't think that the same is true for them.

00:37:49.120 Okay, let's move on.

00:37:50.680 Alex, you were in Ottawa.

00:37:51.920 I think we just miss each other.

00:37:52.960 I think you got there the day that I left,

00:37:55.760 but you were there to cover this government lawsuit

00:37:59.480 over the limits of prorogation.

00:38:01.340 So why don't you give us a quick rundown

00:38:03.320 on what happened over there?

00:38:04.760 Yeah, so it was a pretty exciting to me experience.

00:38:08.500 Most people would find it maybe a little bit boring

00:38:10.540 because there's a lot of kind of deep legalese

00:38:13.440 going on there.

00:38:14.840 It was in the federal court.

00:38:16.080 So the Justice Center for Constitutional Freedoms were the council representing two Nova Scotians, one of which was a well-practiced lawyer who are challenging Trudeau's decision to advise the governor general to prorope parliament.

00:38:30.160 It was a really interesting case. I think my opinion on it has differed a little bit since I came back.

00:38:37.780 And the reason being is that we have to understand that these decisions cut both ways.

00:38:43.080 So really, to the Coles Notes version, the question, to put it most simply, is does the government have an unlimited power to prorogue parliament?

00:38:52.460 In a sense, no. Section 5 says that the government must sit at least once per year.

00:38:58.260 So no, they don't have an unlimited power, but that means that theoretically they only have to sit once, one day per year.

00:39:04.840 The rest of the year, theoretically, they could prorogue forever.

00:39:08.120 We do have a fixed term limit. So that means that they wouldn't be able to avoid an election within at least five years if they were to do that. It wouldn't be a popular choice. But the concern I have is this. So imagine a situation where Pierre Polyev became prime minister with a slim minority. And immediately the liberals in the NDP created a coalition crisis and tried to overthrow his government.

00:39:32.000 Well, that's what they did in 2006, right?

00:39:33.580 Exactly, exactly. So this is not unprecedented. If they were to do that again, and Polyev didn't have the option of proroguing, or he did have the option of proroguing, but it could be challenged in the courts, then that presents a very significant danger to the Conservative Party and democracy generally. 79% of the appointed judges in Canada are not only Liberal Party members, they're Liberal Party donors.

00:39:55.840 And so while I really like this judge, Paul Crampton, who was appointed by Stephen Harper, not all judges are good. And we have to remember that judges are just random lawyers who are appointed by politicians. They're not elected. They're not accountable to the public. And so I think there is some concern, on my part anyway, that it would be a dangerous precedent to have judges drift outside of the legal lane and into the political lane.

00:40:24.880 That being said, I'm completely sympathetic to the GCCF's concerns. I think that prorogation

00:40:29.760 is completely unsuitable in the current situation that we're in. I think it only serves the best

00:40:33.760 interests of the Liberal Party and not Canadians, but I am concerned about the precedent that

00:40:39.120 a decision might set in this case. And so what was the decision? Like,

00:40:43.680 are they, was the prorogation overturned? I saw that they were saying that they had to make a

00:40:48.000 decision before it becomes moot, but it's getting pretty close to that time anyway. So what's going

00:40:52.960 going to happen next? Yeah, so they said the lead counsel for the Trudeau government said that they

00:40:57.540 need until at least February 18th to submit responses to the interveners. So I don't think

00:41:02.720 we'll see any result before then. However, Crampton said that he would be rendering a result well in

00:41:08.840 advance of March 24th, which I do appreciate. I'm not super optimistic that this case is going to go

00:41:15.880 through. I think that there's probably a good case for a Section 3 challenge to Carney becoming

00:41:21.700 prime minister because section three establishes the charter, it establishes as a fundamental right

00:41:28.100 that Canadians have a right to vote for the people who represent them in government.

00:41:33.140 And Carney being an unelected prime minister would be rather unprecedented in the history

00:41:37.780 of Westminster democracies. So I think that there may be a good section three challenge for that,

00:41:43.140 that might be more appropriate than the challenge from prerogation. But again,

00:41:46.580 I want to make it very clear, I totally support the JCCF and their concerns. I do, however,

00:41:51.620 see the Trudeau government lawyer's point that this might establish a bit of a dangerous precedent.

00:41:56.100 Great. Okay, Alex. Well, I appreciate you heading out to Ottawa and doing that report.

00:42:00.100 Everyone, you can find Alex's reports at JunoNews.com. He's a True North reporter. And again,

00:42:04.980 their journalism is published and posted on Juno News. So Alex, thanks so much for joining the

00:42:10.020 Candace Malcolm Show today. It was great to have you on. Thank you for having me. Appreciate it.

00:42:14.020 All right, everyone. Thank you so much for tuning in. Again, have a wonderful, happy

00:42:17.460 family day for those in Ontario and Alberta and everyone else. We will see

00:42:22.460 you back tomorrow for all the news. Thank you so much.

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