Juno News - Dissidents are putting the Iranian regime on notice

00:00:00.000 Welcome to Canada's Most Irreverent Talk Show.

00:00:05.640 This is the Andrew Lawton Show, brought to you by True North.

00:00:10.720 Coming up, Iran is a brutal dictatorship with no respect for human rights, 0.99

00:00:14.880 with nuclear ambitions that wants to wipe its enemies off the map.

00:00:18.680 What can be done about it?

00:00:20.020 We'll talk about that up next in a special edition of the program.

00:00:23.460 The Andrew Lawton Show starts right now.

00:00:26.760 Hello, everyone, and welcome to Canada's Most Irreverent Talk Show.

00:00:31.000 This is the Andrew Lawton Show here on True North, Tuesday, July 26, 2022.

00:00:37.160 Going to have a bit of a different program today.

00:00:39.600 I'm on the road, if you can't tell, and the reason is one that I didn't mention beforehand,

00:00:44.160 and it was probably, in retrospect, quite a good idea that I didn't.

00:00:47.740 On the weekend, I was supposed to be covering the Free Iran Global Summit,

00:00:52.720 an event put on by the National Council of Resistance of Iran and the MEK,

00:00:57.340 which is the People's Mujahideen Organization of Iran.

00:01:00.940 And this summit was to be dedicated to the Iranian resistance,

00:01:04.400 those seeking to replace the current brutal Iranian regime,

00:01:08.660 which, as we know, has no respect for religious minorities,

00:01:11.920 no respect for gay rights, no respect for women, 1.00

00:01:14.760 and is increasingly threatening other states in the world,

00:01:18.180 notably Israel and the United States, as the largest state sponsor of terrorism,

00:01:23.560 no shortage of reasons why the Iranian regime has to go.

00:01:27.280 And this is a group of people that is dedicated to making that happen.

00:01:31.700 Now, the last couple of years,

00:01:33.160 they haven't been able to have their summit in person because of COVID.

00:01:36.200 I've covered them online.

00:01:37.780 You can see some of my coverage on the screen there.

00:01:39.880 And it's attracted a huge number of personalities,

00:01:43.020 political leaders, and dignitaries from around the world,

00:01:45.920 including in Canada, where in the past,

00:01:48.300 people like Stephen Harper have spoken,

00:01:50.100 Liberal MPs, Conservative MPs.

00:01:52.480 I believe Candace Bergen was at the one last year,

00:01:55.680 although she wasn't the Conservative leader at the time.

00:01:58.620 And this was supposed to be a big event.

00:02:01.280 The first time they've been able to do it in person,

00:02:03.700 Stephen Harper and John Baird were slated to be there in person.

00:02:07.040 That's the former Prime Minister and former Foreign Minister of Canada.

00:02:10.920 And interestingly enough,

00:02:12.440 both of them, I think, were at Pearson Airport,

00:02:14.540 just on the flight before me,

00:02:16.420 when it came from Toronto to Germany,

00:02:18.660 where you had to transfer to get on to a Lufthansa flight to Albania.

00:02:22.880 Not that we're doing the travel recap on the show here.

00:02:25.180 It was just about how everyone was going to the same place at the same time.

00:02:29.100 And this event was cancelled at the last minute

00:02:32.800 because of a security alert.

00:02:35.380 And we reported on this at True North.

00:02:37.360 It started on the 21st,

00:02:39.120 which was, I believe, the Thursday,

00:02:40.420 with a security alert that was published by the United States Embassy in Albania.

00:02:45.140 And it was very nondescript.

00:02:46.640 It was very scant on detail.

00:02:48.580 It just said the U.S. government was aware of a potential threat targeting the summit.

00:02:53.300 And they advised U.S. citizens to stay away.

00:02:55.580 Now, I'm not a U.S. citizen,

00:02:57.080 so theoretically, I guess no one was telling me not to go.

00:02:59.900 But it's the sort of thing you take seriously,

00:03:01.960 especially because in 2018,

00:03:04.480 when the NCRI and the MEK were having their big event in Paris,

00:03:08.900 the Iranian government did, in fact, try to blow it up.

00:03:12.540 And the bomber behind that was an Iranian diplomat, believe it or not,

00:03:16.600 who's now facing a jail sentence.

00:03:18.640 And there's talk about extradition going on as we speak.

00:03:21.960 The idea of Iran targeting this event is not foreign.

00:03:25.420 So you take these things seriously.

00:03:27.280 The Albanian government also took it seriously

00:03:30.100 and said to organizers,

00:03:31.580 we really don't think you should proceed.

00:03:33.340 So they had to pull the plug on this event.

00:03:36.100 And a lot of the people that had already gone the distance,

00:03:38.420 including, by the way, Prime Minister Stephen Harper,

00:03:41.120 did not have an event to go to.

00:03:43.040 Now, what happened after that,

00:03:45.320 I have not reported on at this point

00:03:47.020 because of the security implications of it.

00:03:49.440 But several of the people there did participate

00:03:51.960 in informal and casual tours and discussions

00:03:55.340 that were not part of the big summit,

00:03:56.900 but nonetheless did allow people to connect

00:03:59.800 to the story of the Iranian resistance.

00:04:02.860 And that's the story that people were going to be telling

00:04:04.760 at that summit.

00:04:06.140 And there was a delegation of Canadian members of parliament

00:04:08.700 and had Liberal MPs, Conservative MPs,

00:04:11.640 one Bloc Québécois MP, and no NDP MPs.

00:04:14.800 Now, interestingly enough,

00:04:15.960 I was speaking with one of the organizers

00:04:18.500 who's helped liaise between Canadian parliamentarians

00:04:22.060 and the host organization.

00:04:24.340 And she said, you know, in the past,

00:04:25.560 they've tried to have NDP representatives there,

00:04:27.660 and they just can't seem to get any that want to come

00:04:30.260 to an event opposed to the Iranian regime.

00:04:32.620 So take from that what you will.

00:04:34.140 But there was multi-party representation,

00:04:36.560 same as for the U.S.,

00:04:37.880 where you had Democrats and Republicans.

00:04:39.840 And for other countries,

00:04:40.780 they had delegations from France, from Italy, and so on.

00:04:44.840 And interestingly enough,

00:04:46.100 they had an event, a dinner reception,

00:04:48.260 where a lot of these people were able to come together.

00:04:50.620 But because they were already sort of there

00:04:52.440 when the cancellation came,

00:04:53.960 it was unimpeded by all of this.

00:04:56.560 So what's fascinating about this topic

00:04:59.000 is that it's an issue that everyone should be on side with.

00:05:02.240 Everyone should be able to agree with it.

00:05:04.440 The stories you heard there

00:05:05.860 are absolutely phenomenal and gripping.

00:05:08.700 I spoke to one gentleman, as I tweeted about,

00:05:11.180 who was stood, he stood next to a replica

00:05:14.000 of how he was tortured

00:05:16.280 when he was an Iranian political prisoner,

00:05:18.440 put behind bars,

00:05:19.420 because he dared to criticize the regime.

00:05:22.080 And it was just absolutely brutal.

00:05:23.760 And hearing him describe in Farsi through a translator

00:05:26.620 what happened to him was very difficult.

00:05:29.540 Yet there he stood saying,

00:05:30.820 I'm not giving up.

00:05:31.720 I'm not stopping the fight.

00:05:33.780 Another woman who was in a room full of women, 1.00

00:05:36.860 they were put in these,

00:05:37.740 they're not even cells,

00:05:38.780 they're cubicles.

00:05:39.780 But I mean, they are cells,

00:05:40.880 they're cages.

00:05:41.820 And she was kept in this little box.

00:05:44.100 And if you so much as raised your head above it,

00:05:46.040 you'd get your head smashed down.

00:05:47.400 And she spoke about how her and her friends

00:05:49.620 were in this thing.

00:05:50.960 Some of them never came out

00:05:52.120 because they were killed.

00:05:53.660 And there was a line that she shared with me

00:05:55.720 that really stood out.

00:05:57.100 She said, you know, for starters, in Iran,

00:05:58.920 simply being a woman in the first place is a crime. 1.00

00:06:02.060 Everything else on top of that only makes it worse.

00:06:05.040 So if you're an outspoken woman,

00:06:06.520 if you're a woman that's part of an activist group

00:06:08.780 against the regime,

00:06:10.980 that is something that carries

00:06:12.160 an incredibly steep punishment.

00:06:13.580 So these people who have fled this

00:06:16.140 were telling their stories,

00:06:18.000 but many of them still have family back in Iran,

00:06:20.120 which is why they have not given up the fight.

00:06:23.280 And there was a lot of resilience in these people,

00:06:26.040 which was quite something.

00:06:27.400 And I've spoken with some of them on the show in the past,

00:06:29.820 meeting them in person,

00:06:30.900 seeing this space was very significant.

00:06:33.780 And because there were so many dignitaries there,

00:06:36.240 I said we were able to have some informal conversations

00:06:38.560 that weren't part of the main conference.

00:06:40.560 And one of them really bordered on,

00:06:42.820 I think, that cross-partisan element

00:06:44.760 that I was speaking about before.

00:06:46.780 I spoke to former United States ambassador

00:06:49.280 to the UN's Human Rights Council,

00:06:51.600 Ken Blackwell,

00:06:52.440 who's also been a mainstay

00:06:53.980 in the conservative speaker circuit in the US.

00:06:56.380 I met him many years ago at CPAC,

00:06:58.880 which is the big conservative political action conference.

00:07:01.980 But it was interesting,

00:07:03.400 and I spoke to him about this,

00:07:04.600 how the world capitulates

00:07:06.140 to a lot of these dictatorships and abusive regimes

00:07:08.820 for reasons that,

00:07:10.480 well, we got into it in our chat.

00:07:11.860 Ambassador, let me first ask you about

00:07:14.560 the political approach to Iran,

00:07:18.200 because obviously this is bipartisan.

00:07:19.880 There are Democrats and Republicans

00:07:21.000 that are supportive of the work that's being done here.

00:07:23.760 But I find it's overwhelmingly on the Republican side.

00:07:26.380 So why do you think it is that

00:07:27.540 in the Democrat Party,

00:07:29.480 there is still this resistance

00:07:30.700 to calling out a regime

00:07:33.160 that is doing all of the things

00:07:34.560 that the left is supposed to hate?

00:07:35.920 You know, no women's rights, 1.00

00:07:37.560 no gay rights, 0.99

00:07:38.280 no religious minority rights.

00:07:39.600 Yeah, that's it's a mystery to me

00:07:43.660 why there isn't a greater groundswell of support

00:07:47.500 within the Democratic Party.

00:07:51.060 But I am pleased.

00:07:53.640 I am encouraged by those who are speaking up

00:07:57.060 and speaking out.

00:07:57.960 And on my side of the aisle,

00:08:01.300 I'm encouraged by those who want to work

00:08:04.340 in a bipartisan spirit

00:08:06.100 to be a false multiplier,

00:08:10.300 a force multiplier

00:08:11.540 to the whole free Iran movement.

00:08:18.000 But what we have to understand

00:08:20.020 is the interrelatedness of things.

00:08:24.300 I don't think there are too many Americans

00:08:27.860 who don't instinctively understand

00:08:30.840 that Iran is a threat economically, 1.00

00:08:38.140 in terms of global terrorism,

00:08:41.180 to them.

00:08:42.700 and that a regime

00:08:44.200 that goes unchecked

00:08:46.280 with its brutality

00:08:47.100 in its country

00:08:48.420 will, in fact,

00:08:49.900 eventually spread that cancer

00:08:52.740 throughout the world.

00:08:54.620 You served in the United Nations,

00:08:56.740 and I know there are a great many criticisms

00:08:58.540 that we can all make

00:08:59.580 about the UN

00:09:00.180 and its approach to regimes

00:09:02.020 like Iran or Russia

00:09:03.560 or the other places.

00:09:05.140 But let me ask,

00:09:06.300 is there a role for the UN

00:09:09.160 that you feel it's doing

00:09:10.000 particularly well in this?

00:09:11.380 Well, you know,

00:09:12.120 one of the challenges

00:09:13.020 of the Human Rights Commission

00:09:15.540 in Geneva

00:09:17.380 and committee in New York

00:09:21.020 is that what we find

00:09:23.040 is that many of the folks

00:09:25.080 on the jury

00:09:26.080 should be in the dock.

00:09:27.660 And so there's a lot of log-roading

00:09:29.200 and harsh trading

00:09:30.040 that goes on.

00:09:32.520 And tyrants

00:09:34.320 and authoritarian regimes

00:09:36.360 protect one another.

00:09:38.500 But we can't retreat

00:09:39.820 to the sidelines.

00:09:40.680 We must engage

00:09:42.100 and we must win

00:09:44.520 or else, you know,

00:09:47.900 this will be settled

00:09:49.040 by armed conflict.

00:09:51.360 And so diplomacy

00:09:53.680 is softer.

00:09:56.960 Economic sanctions

00:09:58.560 are a bit harder.

00:09:59.680 harder.

00:10:01.940 But we need to use

00:10:03.420 all of the tools.

00:10:05.760 Economic sanctions,

00:10:07.440 we need to be

00:10:08.340 also engaged,

00:10:10.360 fully engaged

00:10:11.120 in diplomacy.

00:10:13.640 But we must understand

00:10:15.380 that if we don't win

00:10:16.780 on those levels,

00:10:18.120 there will be

00:10:19.880 hard war consequences

00:10:22.820 across the globe.

00:10:24.620 Madeleine Albright

00:10:25.700 in her book

00:10:26.200 has the line

00:10:26.760 that I love,

00:10:27.300 which is that

00:10:27.660 diplomacy is everything

00:10:28.660 from kind words

00:10:29.440 to cruise missiles.

00:10:30.900 And sometimes

00:10:31.500 you get people

00:10:32.220 that don't want

00:10:32.780 to move much

00:10:33.480 beyond kind words.

00:10:35.120 And when you're

00:10:36.500 looking at sanctions,

00:10:38.280 the challenge

00:10:39.160 that's always put,

00:10:39.960 I mean,

00:10:40.240 with Iran sanctions

00:10:41.240 in particular,

00:10:42.040 is that they don't

00:10:43.100 actually harm the people

00:10:43.960 at the top,

00:10:44.520 they harm the people

00:10:45.440 at the bottom.

00:10:45.960 And they can actually

00:10:47.060 be used by the regime

00:10:48.940 to blame the countries

00:10:50.300 that are applying

00:10:50.880 the sanctions.

00:10:51.540 So if you are looking

00:10:52.760 at sanctions as being

00:10:53.920 not the be-all and end-all,

00:10:55.100 but one tool,

00:10:56.580 how do you do them

00:10:57.520 in a way

00:10:58.100 that doesn't harm

00:11:00.540 the people?

00:11:02.080 Well, you know,

00:11:02.480 I'm not sure

00:11:03.140 that you can.

00:11:04.800 What I'm encouraged

00:11:05.980 by is the growth,

00:11:09.380 the expansion

00:11:10.160 in the numbers

00:11:11.440 of folks internal

00:11:12.880 to Iran

00:11:14.700 who are now

00:11:15.980 siding with

00:11:17.340 the opposition.

00:11:18.820 So the harder

00:11:20.040 they crack down,

00:11:22.260 it's backfiring

00:11:23.960 on them

00:11:24.420 because the resistance

00:11:26.640 is being amplified

00:11:27.640 globally,

00:11:29.640 but it is intensifying

00:11:31.780 within the country.

00:11:34.980 And as a consequence

00:11:36.060 of the inside-outside

00:11:37.480 pressure,

00:11:38.480 I think you can affect

00:11:39.800 change

00:11:40.600 and in its most

00:11:42.920 substantial form,

00:11:44.040 regime change.

00:11:45.220 When you mentioned

00:11:45.760 the United Nations,

00:11:46.760 I very much enjoyed

00:11:48.260 your line on that,

00:11:49.540 which I think sums up

00:11:50.340 a very good position.

00:11:51.700 This is a body that,

00:11:53.220 and a lot of international

00:11:54.480 multilateral organizations

00:11:55.980 are like,

00:11:56.380 it's the World Health Organization.

00:11:57.480 They do so much

00:11:58.740 to try to keep China 0.99

00:11:59.580 at the table.

00:12:00.120 It comes at the expense

00:12:00.940 of what's supposed

00:12:01.460 to be the mission.

00:12:02.560 United Nations as well,

00:12:03.740 bringing Saudi Arabia

00:12:04.600 onto the Human Rights Committee.

00:12:06.380 And, you know,

00:12:06.860 meanwhile,

00:12:07.340 Canada has been trying

00:12:08.200 to get on the Security Council

00:12:09.880 for a while

00:12:10.420 with little success.

00:12:11.480 But how do you,

00:12:14.040 as the United States

00:12:15.620 representative on that

00:12:16.740 committee for a time,

00:12:18.100 how do you respond

00:12:19.040 to the UN,

00:12:20.600 which has more hostility

00:12:21.840 towards the United States

00:12:22.920 than it does

00:12:23.600 to Saudi Arabia

00:12:24.760 and to Iran

00:12:25.400 at various points?

00:12:27.400 I guess if I ask the question

00:12:29.580 in a different way,

00:12:30.440 it's what's the point

00:12:32.000 when the body itself

00:12:33.280 just seems so hostile

00:12:34.440 to your involvement?

00:12:36.500 You know,

00:12:37.880 we can have impact.

00:12:40.800 But what I used to tell

00:12:42.260 the Bush administration

00:12:44.560 and at the beginning

00:12:45.480 of the Clinton administration,

00:12:47.940 because I was head

00:12:49.960 of the U.S. delegation

00:12:51.820 to the planning

00:12:53.540 of the World Conference

00:12:55.240 on Human Rights,

00:12:56.580 I used to say,

00:12:57.440 look,

00:12:58.080 what we must understand

00:13:00.580 is that we have a choice.

00:13:04.420 We can be on the sidelines

00:13:06.840 or we can be engaged.

00:13:12.260 What we have to affect

00:13:15.120 is we have to leverage

00:13:17.120 everything that we have

00:13:19.480 in our toolbox.

00:13:21.380 And one of those things

00:13:23.240 are bilateral negotiations.

00:13:25.520 And so we need to be stronger

00:13:29.220 on the bilateral side

00:13:31.000 with key players

00:13:32.660 to build our numbers up.

00:13:36.460 You know,

00:13:36.700 what I've now experienced

00:13:37.980 as I crisscrossed

00:13:39.020 the continent of Africa

00:13:40.280 is that people there

00:13:42.960 now know that China

00:13:44.400 didn't do diplomacy

00:13:48.800 and economic contributions

00:13:52.520 for out of the kindness

00:13:55.440 of their heart.

00:13:56.280 They built a debt trap

00:13:58.200 and that's what

00:14:00.200 they're executing.

00:14:01.880 It becomes easier

00:14:03.240 when the United States

00:14:04.880 is forceful

00:14:05.840 and clear-headed

00:14:06.600 in its bilateral

00:14:07.740 communications

00:14:09.440 with those individual

00:14:10.540 countries

00:14:11.740 to join the consensus

00:14:14.300 at the United Nations.

00:14:16.340 So it is a bilateral strategy

00:14:19.360 to affect

00:14:20.200 improved

00:14:21.280 multilateral

00:14:22.800 results.

00:14:24.820 That was former

00:14:26.000 U.S. Ambassador

00:14:26.880 to the U.N.

00:14:27.640 Commissions on Human Rights

00:14:29.240 Ken Blackwell

00:14:30.300 and I appreciated him

00:14:31.740 taking the time.

00:14:32.620 And I will say

00:14:33.380 a couple of these things

00:14:34.300 were taking place

00:14:35.420 in areas where there's

00:14:36.400 a lot of background noise

00:14:37.300 so we've done our best

00:14:38.020 to filter it out

00:14:38.620 but I do apologize.

00:14:40.080 It was just me

00:14:40.900 in Albania

00:14:41.600 with a couple of pieces

00:14:42.880 of equipment there

00:14:43.480 so we didn't have a chance

00:14:44.320 to do like the full studio

00:14:45.400 setup that we normally

00:14:47.060 would like to do.

00:14:48.220 But I will say

00:14:49.340 that what was fascinating

00:14:50.360 in talking to some

00:14:51.320 of the dignitaries

00:14:52.020 that were there

00:14:52.480 and for the most part

00:14:53.520 they were there to listen

00:14:54.360 but some of them

00:14:55.960 have become

00:14:56.560 very supportive

00:14:58.080 and very much

00:14:59.220 not members

00:14:59.880 but certainly very

00:15:00.880 much champions

00:15:02.340 of what the MEK

00:15:03.720 and NCRI are doing

00:15:04.740 and one of those

00:15:05.320 is Stephen Harper

00:15:06.000 who again has been

00:15:06.880 quite a well-regarded speaker.

00:15:09.060 When I told people

00:15:09.900 I was Canadian

00:15:10.480 they said

00:15:10.880 oh you know

00:15:11.280 do you know Stephen Harper

00:15:12.100 and I said

00:15:12.460 well I don't know him

00:15:13.680 and then they of course

00:15:14.440 realize I'm a nobody

00:15:15.280 but I said no

00:15:16.280 I've interviewed him

00:15:17.000 and I certainly know of him

00:15:18.280 and I've followed

00:15:19.000 his participation

00:15:19.700 here.

00:15:21.120 John Baird

00:15:21.860 is someone I have

00:15:22.860 talked to on a number

00:15:23.900 of occasions

00:15:24.460 and he's a very

00:15:25.700 passionate supporter

00:15:26.900 of human rights

00:15:28.120 around the world.

00:15:29.220 John Baird

00:15:29.820 served as

00:15:30.680 Canada's foreign affairs

00:15:31.980 minister

00:15:32.440 big supporter of Israel

00:15:34.420 big supporter

00:15:35.420 of the Iranian resistance

00:15:36.560 and he's become

00:15:37.700 a big supporter

00:15:38.540 of the MEK.

00:15:39.680 Now I want to

00:15:40.540 qualify something here

00:15:41.860 in that I've been

00:15:42.600 speaking very favorably

00:15:43.840 about the stories

00:15:44.600 that have been told

00:15:45.340 about the invitation

00:15:46.920 that I got to see

00:15:48.060 some of this firsthand

00:15:49.040 but what's interesting

00:15:50.900 is that this is not

00:15:51.720 an organization

00:15:52.300 without controversy

00:15:53.660 until 2012

00:15:54.680 it was on the

00:15:56.300 terrorism organization

00:15:57.620 list in Canada

00:15:59.160 in the United States

00:16:00.360 in the United Kingdom

00:16:01.340 and in 2012

00:16:02.980 all of these countries

00:16:04.460 removed it.

00:16:05.460 Now one of the things

00:16:06.680 that had happened

00:16:07.280 is the organization

00:16:07.880 had petitioned in court

00:16:09.440 in many different

00:16:10.560 jurisdictions

00:16:11.100 and many countries

00:16:12.060 challenging the assertion

00:16:13.820 that it was

00:16:14.400 a terrorism organization

00:16:15.980 and essentially

00:16:17.260 in its past

00:16:18.320 some of the members

00:16:19.080 and some of the founders

00:16:19.940 had engaged in

00:16:20.980 violent activity

00:16:22.180 during wars

00:16:23.200 such as the Iran-Iraq war

00:16:24.820 or other conflicts

00:16:26.240 during the Iranian revolution

00:16:27.960 but what was interesting

00:16:29.540 beyond that

00:16:30.620 is that it was

00:16:31.360 the Iranian regime

00:16:32.560 that lobbied it.

00:16:34.280 Bill Clinton

00:16:34.880 back when he was

00:16:36.080 in the White House

00:16:36.660 put the MEK

00:16:38.400 on the terrorism list

00:16:39.820 as kind of a token

00:16:41.340 to the Iranian regime

00:16:42.680 when they were trying

00:16:43.340 to get concessions

00:16:44.240 on some negotiation.

00:16:46.400 So that was

00:16:47.340 the fascinating part

00:16:48.320 is that it was

00:16:48.800 the Iranian regime

00:16:50.500 the brutal dictatorship

00:16:51.980 led by Ayatollah Khomeini

00:16:53.660 that got them

00:16:55.500 declared as a terrorist

00:16:56.860 and I think

00:16:57.220 when a lot of

00:16:57.740 Western countries

00:16:58.500 10 years ago

00:16:59.560 were looking at this

00:17:00.340 saying well

00:17:00.740 this doesn't really fit

00:17:01.960 this isn't really a group

00:17:02.900 that's a terrorist organization

00:17:04.420 and I think the proof

00:17:05.720 of that is

00:17:06.480 the fact that

00:17:07.300 this was a so-called

00:17:08.160 terror group

00:17:08.740 10 years ago

00:17:09.400 but now you have

00:17:10.180 foreign leaders

00:17:10.940 Western leaders

00:17:11.740 from all different parties

00:17:13.240 and political stripes

00:17:14.220 imaginable

00:17:15.000 that are coming out

00:17:16.140 to their events

00:17:16.820 and speaking

00:17:17.800 but I did speak

00:17:18.900 to John Barrett

00:17:19.580 about that

00:17:20.180 and more broadly

00:17:21.280 whether this is

00:17:22.340 an organization

00:17:23.200 that is influential

00:17:24.820 in the resistance

00:17:26.120 and whether it actually

00:17:27.200 has the capacity

00:17:28.060 to do what they're

00:17:28.800 all talking about

00:17:29.680 which is wanting

00:17:30.720 to end the regime

00:17:32.040 as it currently stands.

00:17:33.580 Why are you here

00:17:34.220 first off?

00:17:35.020 I'm here to stand

00:17:35.740 in solidarity

00:17:36.360 with the people of Iran

00:17:37.800 and their great struggle

00:17:38.620 to break the yoke

00:17:40.400 of a brutal government

00:17:42.880 by the Mullahs in Tehran

00:17:44.440 and to promote

00:17:45.840 that there is

00:17:46.200 a better future

00:17:46.820 for the people of Iran.

00:17:48.680 Terrorism is the great struggle

00:17:49.800 of our generation.

00:17:51.160 My grandfather went

00:17:51.820 to World War II

00:17:52.580 to fight fascism

00:17:54.900 and stayed in the Canadian forces

00:17:55.860 for 25 years

00:17:56.800 and to fight communism.

00:18:00.840 The great struggle

00:18:01.320 of our generation

00:18:01.900 is to fight terrorism

00:18:02.800 and Iran is the biggest 0.99

00:18:04.500 sponsor of terrorism 0.90

00:18:05.780 everywhere in the world

00:18:06.600 but the big victims

00:18:08.180 of terrorism

00:18:08.740 are the Iranian people

00:18:09.680 themselves

00:18:10.080 and I'm inspired

00:18:10.700 by their courage

00:18:11.360 and bravery.

00:18:12.460 A decade ago

00:18:13.460 this organization

00:18:14.500 was on Canada's

00:18:15.860 list of terrorist organizations

00:18:17.740 and that of the United States

00:18:19.140 and the United Kingdom

00:18:19.880 and elsewhere

00:18:20.320 and that changed

00:18:21.780 while you were

00:18:22.920 in government,

00:18:23.800 while Stephen Harper's

00:18:24.480 government was in power.

00:18:26.240 What was it

00:18:27.160 that led to that change

00:18:29.420 and how do you go

00:18:30.720 as the foreign minister

00:18:32.160 of a country

00:18:32.640 that view this

00:18:33.620 as a terrorist organization

00:18:34.660 to being here

00:18:35.240 as a guest now?

00:18:36.060 What is it that

00:18:36.660 the country's got wrong?

00:18:38.620 Well, I think

00:18:39.320 if you look at

00:18:39.740 both the Harper government

00:18:41.120 and the Obama administration

00:18:42.540 looked at the facts

00:18:44.320 and made a determination

00:18:45.360 that it may have been

00:18:46.900 at some point in the past

00:18:48.120 but it certainly wasn't

00:18:48.960 going forward

00:18:49.760 and the fact

00:18:50.420 you have a conservative

00:18:51.040 government in Canada

00:18:51.820 and a liberal democratic

00:18:52.720 government in Washington

00:18:54.080 both did the same thing

00:18:55.240 speaks to the most important thing

00:18:57.140 the truth.

00:18:58.240 I'm inspired by

00:18:59.040 the National Council

00:19:00.040 Resistance of Iran's 0.94

00:19:00.920 10-point plan

00:19:01.620 democracy, human rights,

00:19:03.420 the rule of law,

00:19:04.420 gender equality,

00:19:05.700 no nuclear weapons,

00:19:07.960 stopping the export

00:19:09.120 of terrorism

00:19:10.860 in the region

00:19:11.340 and around the world.

00:19:12.700 These are what people

00:19:14.000 in the West

00:19:14.820 have wanted to hear

00:19:15.340 for a long time.

00:19:16.500 The last few conferences,

00:19:17.940 I know the last two

00:19:18.640 have been online

00:19:19.380 when speakers

00:19:20.060 like Stephen Harper

00:19:21.080 like you

00:19:21.620 and other dignitaries

00:19:22.720 have come

00:19:23.040 they've all spoken about

00:19:24.860 what feels like

00:19:25.780 an imminence

00:19:26.380 of being able

00:19:27.020 to bring this organization

00:19:28.120 back to Tehran 0.89

00:19:29.000 and have this event there

00:19:30.020 and I guess

00:19:31.120 what I would ask you

00:19:31.880 is how close

00:19:33.260 to that reform

00:19:34.480 do you feel Iran is

00:19:35.880 and what's missing?

00:19:36.920 What's that spark

00:19:38.220 that's needed

00:19:38.760 to really get that change

00:19:39.920 in the regime?

00:19:40.660 The regime is noted

00:19:41.600 if you look at the facts

00:19:42.440 on the ground

00:19:42.900 this regime

00:19:43.600 it's at its weakest point

00:19:44.700 in more than 40 years

00:19:46.240 that we were briefed

00:19:49.020 yesterday

00:19:49.620 on the 5,000

00:19:51.680 resistance units

00:19:52.580 in every corner

00:19:53.540 of the country

00:19:54.500 when change happens

00:19:56.880 when regimes fall

00:19:57.980 it'll happen very quickly

00:19:59.380 and there's no doubt

00:20:00.660 we're getting closer

00:20:01.360 to that day

00:20:01.960 look at how quickly

00:20:03.080 the Berlin Wall fell

00:20:04.200 and Eastern Europe

00:20:05.260 got freedom

00:20:06.580 the same will be the case

00:20:08.140 in Tehran

00:20:09.220 the IRGC

00:20:10.580 is starting to crack

00:20:12.140 the government is afraid

00:20:15.120 the fact that they

00:20:15.740 were scheduling

00:20:16.740 a terrorist attack

00:20:17.700 on Ashraf 3

00:20:18.820 this weekend

00:20:19.880 showed how much

00:20:21.240 they fear this organization

00:20:24.460 the fact that they have

00:20:25.640 a law in Iran

00:20:26.280 that doesn't allow

00:20:26.900 a woman to run 0.99

00:20:27.700 for president

00:20:28.160 says they're afraid

00:20:28.920 Madame Rajavi

00:20:30.600 When you look at

00:20:32.760 some of the changes

00:20:33.500 in the Arab world

00:20:34.680 let's talk about Israel

00:20:36.120 having all of these

00:20:37.060 normalized relationships

00:20:38.100 and new diplomatic

00:20:38.760 relationships with Arab countries

00:20:40.220 the traditional allegiances

00:20:42.780 are very much changing

00:20:44.220 and I was wondering

00:20:45.000 if you saw

00:20:45.800 a potential

00:20:46.960 for change

00:20:48.360 in the way

00:20:48.880 the Arab world

00:20:49.540 engages with Iran

00:20:50.520 well listen

00:20:51.180 I mean

00:20:51.780 I used to look at

00:20:53.180 Iran's nuclear program

00:20:54.760 and support for terrorism

00:20:55.900 almost exclusively

00:20:57.040 through the lens

00:20:58.000 of Israel

00:20:59.140 but you look at

00:21:00.240 the Sunni Arab Gulf countries

00:21:01.380 who

00:21:01.720 when I was foreign minister

00:21:02.900 and Stephen Harper

00:21:03.460 was prime minister

00:21:04.080 we had an unprecedented

00:21:05.700 warm and constructive

00:21:07.040 relationship

00:21:07.640 really phenomenal

00:21:08.520 with Saudi Arabia

00:21:09.420 especially

00:21:09.800 the United Arab Emirates

00:21:11.120 and Bahrain

00:21:12.080 to name just a few

00:21:12.860 of the Gulf states

00:21:13.460 they live right across

00:21:15.400 the Gulf

00:21:15.860 from the

00:21:17.040 the mullahs

00:21:17.740 in Tehran

00:21:18.740 and so they're

00:21:19.520 every bit as afraid

00:21:20.680 of this regime

00:21:22.600 as we are

00:21:23.660 and of course Canada

00:21:24.620 with the explosion

00:21:26.060 of the Ukrainian plane

00:21:27.080 killing some

00:21:28.020 killing dozens

00:21:28.900 and dozens 0.82

00:21:29.340 and dozens 0.82

00:21:29.760 of Canadians

00:21:30.420 and even more

00:21:32.420 Canadian residents

00:21:33.440 it shows you

00:21:34.940 that we're not immune

00:21:35.640 from the terrorism

00:21:36.940 that this regime

00:21:38.080 supports around the world

00:21:39.760 that was not an accident

00:21:40.900 it was a deliberate attack

00:21:42.780 and so now

00:21:43.900 we've been drawn in

00:21:45.000 directly as victims

00:21:46.320 of this

00:21:47.960 of this

00:21:48.800 of this

00:21:50.340 terrible government

00:21:51.120 I recall

00:21:51.960 when the former

00:21:52.680 Harper government

00:21:53.500 ended diplomatic ties

00:21:54.760 with Iran

00:21:55.160 there was

00:21:55.520 some pushback

00:21:56.520 domestically

00:21:57.120 from the political left

00:21:58.620 and I was wondering

00:21:59.460 if you felt

00:22:00.000 looking back on that

00:22:01.740 quite vindicated

00:22:02.660 with how Iran

00:22:03.720 has continued to go down

00:22:04.860 I'll start off

00:22:06.100 with your

00:22:06.320 everyone thought

00:22:07.260 that our strong

00:22:08.640 and unequivocal support

00:22:09.700 for Israel 0.90

00:22:10.740 would kill our

00:22:12.360 relationships

00:22:12.860 with the Arab world

00:22:13.780 I think when we

00:22:15.040 left office

00:22:15.680 in 2015

00:22:16.820 we had a

00:22:17.960 not a good relationship

00:22:19.040 with the Arab world

00:22:20.100 we had a phenomenal

00:22:21.020 relationship

00:22:22.120 with the Arab world

00:22:22.920 our relationship

00:22:23.720 with the United Arab Emirates

00:22:24.980 with Jordan

00:22:25.660 with Saudi Arabia

00:22:26.740 with Bahrain

00:22:27.540 with the Morsi

00:22:28.940 our support

00:22:31.400 of the Morsi 0.77

00:22:31.920 government

00:22:32.180 is being ejected

00:22:32.880 from Egypt

00:22:33.720 our support

00:22:35.000 of the mission

00:22:35.840 in Libya

00:22:36.360 whether it's

00:22:37.480 Algeria

00:22:38.160 Morocco

00:22:38.720 I could go on

00:22:39.360 it was really

00:22:40.020 unprecedentedly

00:22:40.920 positive

00:22:41.900 and of course

00:22:42.800 we share

00:22:43.520 with both Israel

00:22:45.020 and the Arab world

00:22:46.180 our fear

00:22:47.280 of terrorism

00:22:49.180 and a nuclear-armed Iran 0.59

00:22:50.260 I think it brings us

00:22:51.160 all together

00:22:52.360 to fight for what's right

00:22:53.980 What do you think

00:22:55.500 the role is

00:22:56.540 beyond statements

00:22:57.780 of support

00:22:58.440 for countries

00:22:59.280 like Canada

00:23:00.000 in what this

00:23:01.520 organization is advocating

00:23:02.760 I mean I think

00:23:03.260 everyone generally agrees

00:23:04.260 that regime change

00:23:05.480 has to be pushed

00:23:06.180 from within

00:23:06.660 but what support

00:23:07.680 if any of you

00:23:08.220 should be coming

00:23:08.940 from Canada

00:23:09.860 and the global community

00:23:10.680 I think we've

00:23:11.380 I think we all

00:23:12.360 or most of us

00:23:13.340 at least

00:23:13.600 would acknowledge

00:23:14.420 that military-backed

00:23:16.100 regime change

00:23:16.700 by force

00:23:17.300 doesn't work

00:23:18.180 I think we saw that

00:23:19.040 regrettably

00:23:19.680 in Iraq

00:23:21.400 having said that

00:23:22.660 we've got to stand

00:23:23.500 with the people

00:23:24.480 and the resistance

00:23:25.220 you know frankly

00:23:25.960 whether they're monarchists

00:23:27.180 whether they're union members

00:23:28.300 retirees 0.94

00:23:29.040 teachers

00:23:29.460 the MEK

00:23:30.800 is obviously

00:23:31.200 the biggest

00:23:32.060 and best organized

00:23:33.600 of all the organizations

00:23:34.460 it won't be

00:23:35.660 it won't be western governments

00:23:36.820 that choose the next

00:23:38.040 government of Iran

00:23:40.360 it'll be a democratic choice

00:23:41.940 and I look at the

00:23:42.940 ten points

00:23:43.760 in the NCRI's plan

00:23:45.780 I think Canadians

00:23:47.200 and the Canadian administration

00:23:48.200 should support

00:23:48.860 each and every one of them

00:23:49.740 and when the people of Iran

00:23:51.140 begin to

00:23:52.080 begin to

00:23:53.520 do the final

00:23:54.620 push 0.64

00:23:55.160 to freedom

00:23:55.920 those of us outside

00:23:58.560 whether it's in the west

00:23:59.400 the Arab world

00:24:00.260 or Israel

00:24:01.280 should support

00:24:02.520 their aspirations

00:24:03.280 and do all we can

00:24:04.060 to help

00:24:04.320 I know that the

00:24:05.740 JCPOA

00:24:06.780 was not a Canadian

00:24:07.980 initiative

00:24:08.460 but there have still been

00:24:10.020 especially since

00:24:10.600 the Biden administration

00:24:11.460 took over in the United States

00:24:12.560 perpetual rumblings

00:24:14.080 about a reinstitution

00:24:15.600 of that

00:24:15.940 do you feel that

00:24:16.600 form of agreement

00:24:17.440 with Iran

00:24:17.960 should even be on the table

00:24:18.920 well I just think

00:24:20.200 you've got to work

00:24:20.680 knowledge that

00:24:21.400 the government of Iran

00:24:22.480 can't be trusted

00:24:23.800 we cannot take

00:24:25.200 the Mullah's word

00:24:26.300 there's a long history

00:24:28.180 with the last

00:24:29.200 nuclear containment

00:24:30.020 agreement

00:24:30.420 where they broke

00:24:31.600 the rules

00:24:32.060 the stash of documents

00:24:33.860 that was

00:24:34.400 obtained by

00:24:35.840 Bibi Netanyahu's

00:24:38.420 administration

00:24:38.940 in Israel

00:24:39.840 showed the plan

00:24:41.580 to lie

00:24:42.160 and to cover up

00:24:43.020 the Mullahs in Tehran

00:24:45.300 only respond

00:24:46.180 to one thing

00:24:47.280 and that's

00:24:48.180 tough resolve

00:24:49.620 and we can't

00:24:51.480 show weakness

00:24:52.440 I admire

00:24:54.020 John Kerry's

00:24:55.460 attempt

00:24:55.760 to have a

00:24:56.960 diplomatic solution

00:24:57.920 I think he was

00:24:58.740 well intentioned

00:24:59.420 and I have great

00:24:59.960 respect for him

00:25:01.060 and his leadership

00:25:01.640 in this regard

00:25:02.000 I just think

00:25:02.880 we've got to

00:25:03.920 be much more

00:25:04.760 forceful

00:25:05.320 if we want

00:25:05.720 to get Iran 0.84

00:25:06.320 to take

00:25:07.020 a different path

00:25:07.800 that was

00:25:08.760 former Canadian

00:25:09.660 foreign affairs

00:25:10.380 minister

00:25:10.720 John Baird

00:25:11.300 speaking with me

00:25:12.060 in Albania

00:25:13.060 of all places

00:25:14.120 where I had

00:25:14.780 never been

00:25:15.440 and it was

00:25:16.000 quite interesting

00:25:16.680 I should say

00:25:17.660 speaking of

00:25:18.220 Bill Clinton

00:25:18.760 I took a little

00:25:19.740 detour

00:25:20.140 because of course

00:25:20.780 the conference

00:25:21.240 was cancelled

00:25:21.800 so I had a

00:25:22.500 free day

00:25:23.020 in Albania

00:25:24.440 on one of the

00:25:25.400 days that I was

00:25:25.940 there

00:25:26.140 and I said

00:25:26.500 well you know

00:25:27.100 I want to see

00:25:27.660 because the

00:25:28.000 Balkans 1.00

00:25:28.480 is a region

00:25:29.380 where countries

00:25:30.160 are not all that

00:25:30.960 far from each

00:25:31.540 other

00:25:31.680 which is why

00:25:32.140 the word

00:25:32.480 Balkanization 0.99

00:25:33.460 means what it

00:25:34.200 does

00:25:34.400 breaking things up

00:25:35.340 into smaller pieces

00:25:36.820 so I decided

00:25:38.000 I would take

00:25:38.720 a trip

00:25:39.420 on one of the

00:25:40.140 days to

00:25:40.800 Kosovo

00:25:41.500 which was

00:25:41.940 the border

00:25:42.560 was about

00:25:42.920 two hours

00:25:43.480 from where

00:25:44.300 I was staying

00:25:44.820 in Toronto

00:25:45.500 and beyond that

00:25:47.020 you could get

00:25:47.380 to the Kosovo

00:25:48.000 capital of Pristina

00:25:49.180 in about an hour

00:25:49.920 so it was about

00:25:50.400 three hours

00:25:50.960 all told

00:25:51.400 and I went there

00:25:52.940 and when you go

00:25:53.860 into the capital

00:25:55.120 of Pristina

00:25:55.880 you see this

00:25:57.040 giant

00:25:57.760 just giant

00:25:58.920 billboard

00:25:59.660 of Bill Clinton

00:26:01.120 an American flag

00:26:02.820 and then at the

00:26:03.460 base of the

00:26:04.080 billboard

00:26:04.700 a statue

00:26:05.380 of Bill Clinton

00:26:06.860 and then you go

00:26:07.760 around the corner

00:26:08.340 and you see

00:26:08.760 Madeleine Albright

00:26:09.440 square

00:26:09.820 Madeleine Albright

00:26:10.580 being the former

00:26:11.280 Secretary of State

00:26:12.440 under Clinton

00:26:12.900 because when

00:26:13.860 the Yugoslavia

00:26:15.100 war was going on

00:26:16.140 and you had

00:26:17.300 basically

00:26:17.840 the US

00:26:18.380 was the first

00:26:19.020 place to really

00:26:19.840 recognize Kosovo

00:26:21.080 for what it was

00:26:22.360 and obviously

00:26:23.280 the Serbs

00:26:24.480 do not view

00:26:25.180 Bill Clinton

00:26:25.900 in the same light

00:26:26.640 but in Kosovo

00:26:27.280 they love Bill Clinton

00:26:28.180 they love America

00:26:28.980 it's America themed

00:26:30.200 everything

00:26:30.640 there was like

00:26:31.160 a Route 66 bar

00:26:32.440 their American

00:26:33.480 themed restaurant

00:26:34.560 and it was a

00:26:35.600 very fascinating

00:26:36.340 place in that

00:26:37.100 regard

00:26:37.440 so yes

00:26:38.240 Bill Clinton

00:26:38.680 may not be

00:26:39.160 popular to

00:26:39.840 Iranian dissidents

00:26:40.680 but he is

00:26:41.100 popular to

00:26:41.880 the people

00:26:42.720 of Kosovo

00:26:43.580 that is a

00:26:44.120 little bit of

00:26:44.640 a side part

00:26:45.240 that has

00:26:45.500 nothing to do

00:26:45.980 with anything

00:26:46.300 else

00:26:46.560 but came from

00:26:47.480 the same

00:26:47.940 expedition

00:26:48.780 so I thought

00:26:49.520 I would share

00:26:49.960 it with you

00:26:50.320 here

00:26:50.520 let's talk

00:26:51.840 about the

00:26:52.140 big elephant

00:26:52.600 in the room

00:26:53.080 though

00:26:53.340 with Iran

00:26:54.200 which is

00:26:54.920 its nuclear

00:26:55.480 program

00:26:55.920 this has been

00:26:56.420 a big part

00:26:57.000 of the West

00:26:58.020 interactions

00:26:58.740 with Iran

00:26:59.340 you may remember

00:27:00.400 the Joint

00:27:01.200 Comprehensive

00:27:01.960 Plan of Action

00:27:02.720 the JCPOA

00:27:03.840 that Barack

00:27:04.900 Obama's

00:27:05.440 administration

00:27:06.000 put forward

00:27:06.700 with a number

00:27:07.180 of European

00:27:07.780 countries

00:27:08.380 gave Iran 1.00

00:27:09.980 money

00:27:10.560 just boatloads

00:27:11.620 of cash

00:27:12.140 literally cash

00:27:13.060 being dropped

00:27:13.800 into the country

00:27:14.980 lifted sanctions

00:27:16.820 and the exchange

00:27:18.040 was that Iran

00:27:18.940 had to give up

00:27:19.800 its nuclear

00:27:20.460 program

00:27:21.060 and there has

00:27:22.380 been to this

00:27:23.160 day a lot

00:27:23.820 of dispute

00:27:24.280 about whether

00:27:24.800 it actually

00:27:25.360 did that

00:27:25.860 in fact

00:27:26.240 the MEK

00:27:27.120 and some other

00:27:28.040 intelligence analysts

00:27:28.900 especially from

00:27:29.560 the United States

00:27:30.200 have said no

00:27:30.660 they actually

00:27:31.160 kept running

00:27:31.840 secret programs

00:27:33.200 secret nuclear

00:27:34.420 development

00:27:34.940 that was not

00:27:35.580 for its civil

00:27:36.160 energy needs

00:27:36.820 but was in fact

00:27:38.100 for nuclear

00:27:39.340 weapons

00:27:40.000 and the country

00:27:41.360 has clearly

00:27:41.940 never given up

00:27:42.940 its nuclear

00:27:43.840 ambitions

00:27:44.500 the Ayatollahs

00:27:46.080 the new

00:27:46.580 president of Iran

00:27:47.520 all of them

00:27:48.400 have said

00:27:49.380 continuously

00:27:50.040 that they need

00:27:51.060 a nuclear

00:27:51.820 Iran

00:27:52.680 they want it

00:27:53.520 and there is

00:27:54.440 a question

00:27:54.960 about whether

00:27:55.440 this is just

00:27:56.080 because they

00:27:56.580 want to blow

00:27:57.040 Israel off the 0.98

00:27:57.780 map

00:27:58.000 which is what

00:27:58.580 they have said

00:27:59.360 or is it just

00:28:00.340 about a deterrent

00:28:01.180 they want nukes

00:28:02.240 so that no one

00:28:02.800 else blows them

00:28:03.640 off the map

00:28:04.760 these are some

00:28:05.760 of the big themes

00:28:06.420 and some of the

00:28:06.880 big questions

00:28:07.440 but I think

00:28:07.940 either way

00:28:08.540 you have to

00:28:09.040 accept that

00:28:09.480 you're not

00:28:09.800 dealing with

00:28:10.420 an honest

00:28:10.800 broker here

00:28:11.520 you're not

00:28:12.300 dealing with

00:28:12.800 an honest

00:28:13.160 actor

00:28:13.580 you're not

00:28:14.320 dealing with

00:28:14.860 a country

00:28:15.440 that is

00:28:16.720 operating in

00:28:17.580 good faith

00:28:18.120 so how

00:28:18.760 should the

00:28:19.160 world respond

00:28:19.920 to the threat

00:28:20.580 of a nuclear

00:28:21.540 Iran

00:28:22.100 I spoke about

00:28:22.960 this with

00:28:23.600 General Chuck

00:28:24.400 Wald

00:28:24.780 a retired

00:28:25.420 general

00:28:25.780 and also the

00:28:26.400 former deputy

00:28:27.140 commander

00:28:27.620 of United States

00:28:29.000 European Command

00:28:29.960 when we hear

00:28:31.220 about Iran's

00:28:31.960 nuclear ambition

00:28:32.740 is this in your

00:28:33.440 view something

00:28:34.040 that is purely

00:28:35.060 a deterrent

00:28:35.940 or is there

00:28:36.960 a risk of it

00:28:37.900 being an

00:28:38.520 offensive goal

00:28:39.300 my belief is

00:28:41.940 it's offensive

00:28:43.020 although it's

00:28:44.580 you never know

00:28:45.580 the problem is

00:28:46.460 that is the

00:28:47.040 uncertainty

00:28:47.580 I mean there's

00:28:48.360 an automatic

00:28:49.120 deterrent because

00:28:49.920 somebody has a

00:28:50.560 weapon that can

00:28:51.220 you know

00:28:51.860 mass destruction

00:28:52.920 of whatever

00:28:53.500 entity they're

00:28:54.740 going after

00:28:55.260 primarily now

00:28:57.040 in the Middle East

00:28:57.540 because they don't

00:28:57.980 have intercontinental

00:28:58.880 ballistic missile

00:28:59.640 capability

00:29:00.160 they will

00:29:00.660 eventually if

00:29:01.300 things go the

00:29:01.880 way they were

00:29:02.200 planning

00:29:02.560 but the issue

00:29:04.660 with nukes

00:29:05.220 is just like

00:29:05.880 it's actually

00:29:07.860 self-defining

00:29:08.720 when you look

00:29:09.280 at Russia

00:29:09.780 and the Ukraine

00:29:10.540 right now

00:29:11.100 is the

00:29:12.940 threat

00:29:14.160 of a nuclear

00:29:15.840 attack by Russia

00:29:16.820 has almost

00:29:17.820 paralyzed the

00:29:18.680 western nations

00:29:19.380 in some ways

00:29:20.240 of really

00:29:20.860 really doing

00:29:22.020 what we probably

00:29:22.760 should have done

00:29:23.380 for the Ukraine

00:29:23.960 long ago

00:29:24.620 so it gives

00:29:26.480 a huge amount

00:29:27.560 of leverage 1.00

00:29:28.060 as inept 1.00

00:29:29.660 as the Russians 1.00

00:29:30.800 have been

00:29:31.200 in Ukraine

00:29:31.940 that threat

00:29:34.600 hanging over

00:29:35.280 the western

00:29:35.800 countries

00:29:36.460 NATO

00:29:36.780 the United States

00:29:37.580 and others

00:29:38.080 has changed

00:29:40.740 the dynamic

00:29:41.400 in the Ukraine

00:29:42.660 and in

00:29:43.880 Eastern Europe

00:29:45.560 if Iran 0.82

00:29:49.040 were to be

00:29:49.460 able to get

00:29:49.860 the weapon

00:29:50.280 and validate

00:29:51.300 the fact

00:29:51.720 they could have

00:29:52.200 a delivery

00:29:52.660 platform

00:29:53.200 of some sort

00:29:53.860 that would

00:29:55.680 change the

00:29:56.260 total dynamic

00:29:57.060 in the Middle

00:29:57.580 East

00:29:57.840 it's

00:29:58.240 pretty volatile

00:29:59.900 the way it

00:30:00.420 is

00:30:00.700 but

00:30:00.980 countries like

00:30:03.900 Israel

00:30:04.200 you couldn't

00:30:04.760 expect them

00:30:05.360 to stand

00:30:05.760 by and allow

00:30:06.360 that to

00:30:06.720 happen

00:30:07.000 because it's

00:30:07.740 the

00:30:08.060 it would be

00:30:09.820 the demise

00:30:10.400 of their

00:30:10.720 country

00:30:11.080 if Iran 0.82

00:30:12.000 were able

00:30:12.300 to deliver

00:30:13.360 although

00:30:13.960 there's a

00:30:14.680 whole bunch

00:30:14.960 of complexities

00:30:15.460 there

00:30:15.800 but

00:30:16.040 and also

00:30:17.300 I think

00:30:17.820 other

00:30:18.540 Gulf

00:30:19.860 Cooperation

00:30:20.340 Council

00:30:20.780 or Middle 0.72

00:30:21.400 East

00:30:21.700 non-Iranian

00:30:23.500 Arab

00:30:23.740 countries

00:30:24.220 would be

00:30:24.860 feel compelled

00:30:25.900 to get

00:30:26.200 the weapon

00:30:26.620 because that's

00:30:27.720 their

00:30:28.020 counterbalance

00:30:29.220 to this threat

00:30:30.020 the leverage

00:30:33.200 that a regime

00:30:33.940 likely

00:30:34.460 like the

00:30:36.100 Mullahs now 1.00

00:30:36.800 in Kamini

00:30:37.900 and Rezi

00:30:38.540 and the IRGC

00:30:41.440 as their

00:30:41.880 military arm

00:30:42.640 would get

00:30:43.880 from a nuclear

00:30:44.480 weapon

00:30:44.840 is

00:30:45.220 unacceptable

00:30:48.080 it's

00:30:48.820 significant

00:30:50.740 it would

00:30:51.640 change

00:30:51.940 the dynamic

00:30:52.480 again

00:30:53.000 it would

00:30:53.480 change

00:30:53.940 again

00:30:55.260 just

00:30:55.680 simple

00:30:56.700 things

00:30:57.080 that are

00:30:57.500 sound

00:30:58.040 almost

00:30:58.480 selfish

00:30:58.860 but the

00:30:59.520 free flow

00:31:00.880 of oil

00:31:01.240 from the

00:31:01.600 Middle East

00:31:01.960 could be

00:31:02.320 disrupted

00:31:02.800 which changes

00:31:03.960 the economy

00:31:04.580 of the world

00:31:04.980 economy

00:31:05.420 is part

00:31:05.800 of national

00:31:06.240 security

00:31:06.640 so are

00:31:07.120 other things

00:31:07.700 but the

00:31:10.380 worst part

00:31:10.800 is that

00:31:11.120 you have

00:31:11.500 a

00:31:11.840 declarative

00:31:12.820 policy

00:31:13.300 by the

00:31:13.740 Iranian

00:31:14.040 regime

00:31:14.500 that they

00:31:14.900 want to

00:31:15.200 destroy

00:31:15.580 at least

00:31:16.720 two countries

00:31:17.300 and possibly

00:31:17.860 others

00:31:18.220 in the

00:31:18.480 Middle East

00:31:18.920 and the

00:31:19.520 United States

00:31:20.120 and that's

00:31:22.860 probably not

00:31:23.320 an idle

00:31:23.660 threat

00:31:23.940 you've seen

00:31:24.380 what they've

00:31:24.800 done to

00:31:25.300 the MEK

00:31:27.060 over the

00:31:27.520 years

00:31:27.860 they're

00:31:28.840 harsh

00:31:29.500 they have

00:31:31.700 no morality

00:31:32.400 they have

00:31:33.900 no conscience

00:31:34.520 it appears

00:31:35.100 I think

00:31:35.580 their people

00:31:35.980 are terrified

00:31:36.580 of them

00:31:37.020 they'll do

00:31:37.520 almost anything

00:31:38.080 they can

00:31:38.560 not to get

00:31:39.080 killed

00:31:39.340 themselves 0.99

00:31:39.900 and you

00:31:41.820 get the

00:31:42.100 nuclear

00:31:42.380 weapon

00:31:42.720 it changes

00:31:43.200 that from

00:31:43.740 just a

00:31:45.520 terrible

00:31:45.800 situation

00:31:46.400 to an

00:31:46.800 untenable

00:31:47.280 one

00:31:47.560 when you

00:31:48.760 look at

00:31:49.400 Iran's 0.89

00:31:50.340 positioning

00:31:51.080 of itself

00:31:51.620 on the

00:31:51.920 world stage

00:31:52.520 there seems

00:31:52.920 to have

00:31:53.120 been a

00:31:53.340 change

00:31:53.680 even in

00:31:54.020 the last

00:31:54.320 few years

00:31:54.860 under the

00:31:55.460 JCPOA era

00:31:56.820 they were

00:31:57.080 really focused

00:31:57.640 on getting

00:31:58.440 support from

00:31:59.120 the United

00:31:59.400 States

00:31:59.800 and from

00:32:00.320 Western

00:32:00.580 European

00:32:00.940 countries

00:32:01.540 now Iran 0.65

00:32:02.840 seems to be

00:32:03.460 further

00:32:03.940 cementing

00:32:04.720 this relationship

00:32:05.580 with China

00:32:06.360 and Russia

00:32:06.820 even after

00:32:07.420 Russia's 0.70

00:32:08.280 invasion of

00:32:08.820 Ukraine

00:32:09.160 so do you

00:32:10.040 see that

00:32:10.460 Iran is

00:32:11.100 committing

00:32:12.240 to that

00:32:13.040 disengagement

00:32:14.100 from the

00:32:14.480 way I mean

00:32:14.760 it was always

00:32:15.440 I guess

00:32:15.720 a make-believe

00:32:16.520 relationship

00:32:17.320 with the

00:32:17.640 West

00:32:17.800 but do you

00:32:18.080 think they're

00:32:18.360 completely

00:32:18.720 abandoning even

00:32:19.480 that pretense

00:32:20.380 now?

00:32:21.780 Yeah I kind

00:32:22.260 of do

00:32:22.520 I think

00:32:22.940 with RACI

00:32:25.720 coming in

00:32:26.420 has changed

00:32:27.700 that a lot

00:32:28.320 I mean

00:32:28.780 there was

00:32:29.120 some

00:32:29.520 semblance

00:32:30.800 of dialogue

00:32:32.800 you could

00:32:33.260 have with

00:32:33.680 the Iranian

00:32:34.120 regime

00:32:36.540 if you will

00:32:37.160 prior to that

00:32:38.440 I mean

00:32:39.180 this guy

00:32:39.520 is basically

00:32:39.980 a butcher

00:32:40.400 I mean

00:32:40.920 1988

00:32:41.720 killed

00:32:42.280 at least

00:32:43.220 30,000

00:32:43.940 people

00:32:45.000 innocents

00:32:46.460 and so

00:32:48.320 you got to

00:32:48.660 wonder

00:32:48.900 what is

00:32:49.340 the purpose

00:32:49.780 of him

00:32:50.240 being the

00:32:50.840 president

00:32:51.240 which you

00:32:52.580 can speculate

00:32:53.180 on that

00:32:53.820 but he's a

00:32:55.580 hardliner

00:32:56.020 so is

00:32:56.840 Khomeini

00:32:57.440 he wants

00:32:57.860 to be in

00:32:58.180 power

00:32:58.420 that's all

00:32:58.860 that matters

00:32:59.240 to him

00:32:59.640 he thinks

00:33:00.340 a nuclear

00:33:00.740 weapon

00:33:01.060 would give

00:33:01.460 him some

00:33:01.840 leverage

00:33:02.400 to do

00:33:02.740 that

00:33:02.940 he's seen

00:33:03.380 what happened

00:33:03.740 to Gaddafi

00:33:04.300 which was

00:33:05.240 mishandled

00:33:06.040 by the West

00:33:06.560 but that's

00:33:06.980 what happened

00:33:07.460 so I think

00:33:10.700 the dynamic

00:33:11.280 of the

00:33:11.820 regime

00:33:12.440 has changed

00:33:13.040 to be

00:33:13.320 more hard

00:33:13.920 lined

00:33:14.220 I think

00:33:15.020 part of

00:33:15.420 that has

00:33:15.780 to do

00:33:16.040 with the

00:33:16.460 defensive

00:33:16.860 nature

00:33:17.280 of the

00:33:17.520 fact

00:33:17.700 they know

00:33:18.100 they're

00:33:18.320 on thin

00:33:18.980 ice

00:33:19.260 with the

00:33:19.680 population

00:33:20.200 and you

00:33:22.180 put people

00:33:22.660 like that

00:33:23.140 back against

00:33:24.100 the door

00:33:24.460 and by the

00:33:24.980 way all

00:33:25.320 that matters

00:33:25.720 to them

00:33:26.040 is being

00:33:26.340 in charge

00:33:26.820 they just

00:33:27.680 want power 0.75

00:33:28.300 and as that

00:33:30.960 becomes more

00:33:31.600 and more

00:33:31.860 threatened

00:33:32.260 they become

00:33:33.140 less rational

00:33:34.040 and they do

00:33:35.060 things that

00:33:36.160 aren't

00:33:36.360 necessarily

00:33:36.880 in anybody's

00:33:38.800 best interest

00:33:39.400 become dangerous

00:33:40.280 you add the

00:33:41.600 nuclear weapon

00:33:42.420 dynamic to that

00:33:43.960 now you've got

00:33:44.500 a real

00:33:44.860 dangerous

00:33:45.460 situation

00:33:46.040 so

00:33:46.420 and they

00:33:48.460 again

00:33:49.640 I'm a

00:33:50.380 westerner

00:33:50.860 so are you

00:33:51.500 I don't understand

00:33:53.240 the Arab mentality

00:33:54.340 I respect

00:33:55.180 the Arab

00:33:55.800 culture

00:33:56.480 etc

00:33:56.960 but

00:33:57.320 and I certainly

00:33:59.060 don't understand

00:33:59.700 the Iranian

00:34:00.140 mentality

00:34:00.760 or certainly

00:34:01.300 don't understand

00:34:01.940 the Mullahs

00:34:02.540 but

00:34:02.900 there's a little

00:34:06.020 different mentality

00:34:07.060 there

00:34:07.480 I mean

00:34:07.960 there's a

00:34:08.520 little more

00:34:09.200 fatalistic

00:34:09.860 I think

00:34:10.360 and

00:34:10.660 from what I

00:34:13.120 can see

00:34:13.480 after

00:34:13.820 spending time

00:34:15.320 at Ashraf 3

00:34:16.100 and viewing

00:34:16.500 the museum

00:34:17.080 their

00:34:17.460 respect for

00:34:20.020 humanity

00:34:20.440 and human

00:34:21.180 life

00:34:21.500 is a little

00:34:22.320 different

00:34:22.640 than what

00:34:23.480 I'm used

00:34:23.840 to

00:34:24.080 when you

00:34:25.240 see

00:34:25.660 the way

00:34:26.340 forward

00:34:26.800 here

00:34:27.080 obviously

00:34:27.400 you're

00:34:27.660 approaching

00:34:27.980 this

00:34:28.340 with the

00:34:28.800 background

00:34:29.160 as a

00:34:29.740 general

00:34:30.020 from the

00:34:30.380 United

00:34:30.580 States

00:34:31.040 do you

00:34:31.300 see

00:34:31.820 regime

00:34:32.980 change

00:34:33.380 as being

00:34:33.700 something

00:34:34.000 that has

00:34:34.380 to come

00:34:34.740 from the

00:34:35.140 Iranian

00:34:35.460 people

00:34:35.840 or do you

00:34:36.120 think

00:34:36.260 there is

00:34:36.640 a global

00:34:37.400 role

00:34:37.960 in this

00:34:38.960 beyond

00:34:39.500 finger wagging

00:34:40.960 effectively

00:34:41.400 that's a good

00:34:43.420 question

00:34:43.800 and I think

00:34:44.520 my personal

00:34:45.480 opinion

00:34:45.840 is the

00:34:46.200 answer

00:34:46.500 is a little

00:34:47.960 bit like

00:34:48.340 the Ukraine

00:34:48.820 model

00:34:49.200 you know

00:34:50.360 Ukrainians

00:34:52.180 if they

00:34:52.760 didn't have

00:34:53.220 the backbone

00:34:53.760 willed to

00:34:54.360 stand up

00:34:54.780 to Russia

00:34:55.560 now

00:34:55.840 and defend

00:34:56.200 themselves

00:34:56.640 there's

00:34:57.040 nothing we

00:34:57.520 can do

00:34:57.800 to make

00:34:58.120 that happen

00:34:58.660 the part

00:35:01.740 there's kind

00:35:02.420 of three

00:35:02.660 parts to

00:35:03.060 that

00:35:03.220 one is

00:35:03.780 they do

00:35:04.100 it

00:35:04.260 without

00:35:04.540 support

00:35:05.000 which is

00:35:05.720 suicidal

00:35:06.560 a lot

00:35:06.880 of times

00:35:07.340 two is

00:35:08.200 they do

00:35:08.520 it with

00:35:08.940 at least

00:35:10.600 minimal

00:35:11.100 support

00:35:11.580 from the

00:35:11.940 standpoint

00:35:12.200 of

00:35:12.600 weapons

00:35:13.140 or

00:35:13.500 other

00:35:14.180 things

00:35:14.920 or four

00:35:15.420 is

00:35:15.700 or three

00:35:16.360 I should

00:35:16.680 say

00:35:16.920 is

00:35:17.200 the

00:35:18.220 U.S.

00:35:18.720 or in

00:35:18.940 this case

00:35:19.320 the United

00:35:19.660 States

00:35:19.940 and Ukraine

00:35:20.520 or NATO

00:35:21.100 actually

00:35:22.100 physically

00:35:22.620 gets in

00:35:23.140 there and

00:35:23.380 fights with

00:35:23.760 them

00:35:23.900 that's

00:35:24.260 probably

00:35:24.460 not going

00:35:24.740 to happen

00:35:25.040 in Ukraine

00:35:25.640 or Iran

00:35:28.080 for that

00:35:28.380 matter

00:35:28.600 well it

00:35:29.320 certainly

00:35:30.580 won't happen

00:35:31.140 in Iran

00:35:31.520 yet

00:35:31.900 now

00:35:32.360 I think

00:35:35.140 if there

00:35:35.520 were

00:35:35.760 I think

00:35:36.340 it has to

00:35:36.740 be done

00:35:37.140 internally

00:35:37.720 I think

00:35:38.760 the people

00:35:39.560 of Iran

00:35:40.040 have to

00:35:40.460 do it

00:35:40.760 because

00:35:41.120 what good

00:35:42.160 does it

00:35:42.400 do to

00:35:42.640 overthrow

00:35:42.920 a regime

00:35:43.380 if the

00:35:43.640 people don't

00:35:44.060 want

00:35:44.300 the people

00:35:45.280 that overthrew

00:35:45.840 that regime

00:35:46.340 to be in

00:35:46.720 charge

00:35:46.960 they've got

00:35:47.360 to want

00:35:47.620 to do it

00:35:49.400 so

00:35:49.680 I think

00:35:50.480 the best

00:35:50.800 thing

00:35:51.000 for the

00:35:51.300 Iranians 0.58

00:35:51.760 is to

00:35:52.080 understand

00:35:52.520 that the

00:35:52.940 West

00:35:53.160 will be

00:35:53.500 there

00:35:53.820 and not

00:35:54.860 just

00:35:55.140 in a

00:35:55.480 fickle

00:35:55.880 partial

00:35:56.760 way

00:35:57.060 like

00:35:57.320 you know

00:35:57.560 our

00:35:57.860 attention

00:35:58.460 span

00:35:58.780 in the

00:35:58.980 West

00:35:59.160 is a

00:35:59.480 little

00:35:59.600 bit

00:35:59.860 short

00:36:00.540 that

00:36:02.080 we're

00:36:02.240 there

00:36:02.420 for the

00:36:02.660 long

00:36:02.880 run

00:36:03.100 they

00:36:03.340 can

00:36:03.540 we'll

00:36:03.960 defend

00:36:04.380 them

00:36:04.720 from

00:36:05.400 the

00:36:05.560 standpoint

00:36:05.860 of

00:36:06.160 supportability

00:36:06.860 on

00:36:07.120 whatever

00:36:07.380 they

00:36:07.580 need

00:36:07.800 to

00:36:07.960 survive

00:36:08.400 they'll

00:36:09.100 be

00:36:09.240 brought

00:36:09.500 into

00:36:09.700 the

00:36:09.900 Western

00:36:10.240 world

00:36:10.680 or

00:36:10.860 the

00:36:11.020 world

00:36:11.420 globe

00:36:11.800 if

00:36:11.980 you

00:36:12.100 will

00:36:12.380 through

00:36:14.240 a

00:36:14.380 legitimate

00:36:19.400 succeed

00:36:19.840 and

00:36:20.840 win

00:36:22.800 if you

00:36:23.120 will

00:36:23.340 and

00:36:24.160 some

00:36:24.440 of

00:36:24.520 that

00:36:24.640 has

00:36:24.800 there's

00:36:25.060 a

00:36:25.120 whole

00:36:25.240 bunch

00:36:25.460 of

00:36:25.580 dynamics

00:36:26.020 there

00:36:26.340 but

00:36:26.580 it's

00:36:27.620 got

00:36:27.780 to

00:36:27.880 be

00:36:28.040 that

00:36:28.300 they've

00:36:28.560 got

00:36:28.680 to

00:36:28.800 believe

00:36:29.200 that

00:36:29.480 the

00:36:30.340 majority

00:36:30.920 of

00:36:31.080 the

00:36:31.160 Western

00:36:31.380 countries

00:36:31.820 support

00:36:32.280 them

00:36:32.440 if

00:36:32.700 they

00:36:32.840 do

00:36:33.000 this

00:36:33.260 the

00:36:33.520 last

00:36:33.740 thing

00:36:33.880 I

00:36:33.980 would

00:36:34.080 ask

00:36:34.320 you

00:36:34.420 general

00:36:34.740 is

00:36:35.280 looking

00:36:35.780 at

00:36:35.980 the

00:36:36.100 Arab

00:36:36.320 spring

00:36:36.640 for

00:36:36.840 example

00:36:37.220 or

00:36:37.400 looking

00:36:37.620 at

00:36:37.780 the

00:36:37.880 Iranian

00:36:38.200 revolution

00:36:38.740 we

00:36:38.960 can

00:36:39.100 see

00:36:39.280 that

00:36:39.440 oftentimes

00:36:39.860 the

00:36:40.200 result

00:36:40.560 of

00:36:40.740 revolution

00:36:41.220 is

00:36:41.500 not

00:36:41.860 democracy

00:36:43.100 and

00:36:43.620 secularism

00:36:44.380 in

00:36:44.540 some

00:36:44.740 case

00:36:45.020 the

00:36:45.300 thing

00:36:45.780 that

00:36:45.940 comes

00:36:46.160 in

00:36:46.460 and

00:36:46.760 fills

00:36:47.000 a

00:36:47.160 vacuum

00:36:47.500 is

00:36:47.820 something

00:36:48.280 that's

00:36:48.520 worse

00:36:48.740 than

00:36:49.000 what

00:36:49.540 was

00:36:49.680 overthrown

00:36:50.000 so

00:36:50.160 how

00:36:50.360 do

00:36:50.580 you

00:36:50.720 if

00:36:50.920 that

00:36:51.160 situation

00:36:52.160 gets

00:36:52.680 ripe

00:36:53.000 and

00:36:53.140 if

00:36:53.280 there

00:36:53.420 is

00:36:53.580 a

00:36:53.720 revolution

00:36:54.120 how

00:36:54.680 do

00:36:54.820 you

00:36:54.940 channel

00:36:55.380 that

00:36:55.700 into

00:36:55.960 the

00:36:56.140 reform

00:36:56.580 that

00:36:56.920 people

00:36:57.400 here

00:36:57.960 at

00:36:58.100 Ashraf 3

00:36:58.660 are

00:36:58.800 talking

00:36:59.120 about

00:36:59.480 I

00:37:01.600 think

00:37:01.760 the

00:37:01.900 people

00:37:02.120 of

00:37:02.260 Ashraf 3

00:37:02.920 and

00:37:03.180 the

00:37:03.500 NCRI

00:37:04.420 and

00:37:04.820 the

00:37:05.040 Bujuddin 0.99

00:37:05.620 are

00:37:05.760 going to

00:37:05.960 have

00:37:06.080 to

00:37:06.280 be

00:37:06.660 the

00:37:06.800 ones

00:37:07.020 to

00:37:07.180 do

00:37:07.340 that

00:37:07.640 I

00:37:07.880 think

00:37:08.640 it's

00:37:08.860 interesting

00:37:09.260 though

00:37:09.520 that

00:37:09.760 very

00:37:10.300 I'm

00:37:10.800 sure

00:37:10.960 very few

00:37:11.440 Canadians

00:37:11.860 either

00:37:12.240 but

00:37:12.620 maybe

00:37:12.860 more

00:37:13.200 Canadians

00:37:13.640 than

00:37:13.820 Americans

00:37:14.200 but

00:37:14.500 hardly

00:37:15.920 any

00:37:16.300 Americans

00:37:16.760 understand

00:37:17.280 what

00:37:17.560 the

00:37:17.840 NCRI

00:37:18.520 is

00:37:18.860 or

00:37:19.020 what

00:37:20.000 they

00:37:20.180 do

00:37:20.380 here

00:37:20.740 or

00:37:21.140 how

00:37:22.340 responsible

00:37:22.900 they

00:37:23.180 are

00:37:23.440 excuse

00:37:27.000 me

00:37:27.260 they

00:37:28.240 have

00:37:28.680 demonstrated

00:37:29.240 a unique

00:37:29.900 capability

00:37:30.560 to

00:37:31.020 be

00:37:31.660 disciplined

00:37:32.120 and be

00:37:32.600 ready

00:37:32.840 to go

00:37:33.180 so

00:37:33.420 I

00:37:33.640 trust

00:37:34.080 they

00:37:34.260 will

00:37:34.520 that

00:37:35.320 was

00:37:35.620 general

00:37:36.200 chuck

00:37:36.580 wald

00:37:36.920 I

00:37:37.060 got

00:37:37.200 to

00:37:37.340 do

00:37:37.540 the

00:37:37.680 who's

00:37:37.940 who

00:37:38.200 there

00:37:38.800 the

00:37:39.040 former

00:37:39.380 Canadian

00:37:39.760 foreign

00:37:40.120 minister

00:37:40.540 former

00:37:41.080 US

00:37:41.400 general

00:37:41.820 former

00:37:42.300 US

00:37:42.760 ambassador

00:37:43.300 and

00:37:43.900 I

00:37:43.980 think

00:37:44.080 it

00:37:44.180 speaks

00:37:44.400 to

00:37:44.520 the

00:37:44.640 importance

00:37:45.020 of

00:37:45.260 this

00:37:45.440 issue

00:37:45.840 that

00:37:46.380 all

00:37:46.580 of

00:37:46.720 these

00:37:46.860 people

00:37:47.160 all

00:37:47.400 of

00:37:47.520 these

00:37:47.660 stakeholders

00:37:48.120 from

00:37:48.400 around

00:37:48.660 the

00:37:48.820 world

00:37:49.040 are

00:37:49.200 saying

00:37:49.440 you

00:37:49.560 know

00:37:49.660 what

00:37:49.820 we've

00:37:50.040 got

00:37:50.160 to

00:37:50.240 get

00:37:50.380 involved

00:37:50.760 here

00:37:51.100 and

00:37:51.700 Iran

00:37:52.180 needs

00:37:52.700 to

00:37:52.900 be

00:37:53.160 free

00:37:53.600 and

00:37:53.760 it's

00:37:53.900 not

00:37:54.060 about

00:37:54.380 forced

00:37:55.160 regime

00:37:55.640 change

00:37:56.140 on

00:37:56.520 a

00:37:56.760 population

00:37:57.360 that

00:37:57.580 doesn't

00:37:57.880 want

00:37:58.140 it

00:37:58.260 it

00:37:58.400 is

00:37:58.580 in

00:37:58.740 fact

00:37:59.000 about

00:37:59.320 a

00:37:59.840 population

00:38:00.380 that

00:38:00.600 by

00:38:00.780 and

00:38:00.940 large

00:38:01.200 does

00:38:01.560 want

00:38:01.900 it

00:38:02.000 and

00:38:02.120 I

00:38:02.240 think

00:38:02.380 what

00:38:02.540 John

00:38:02.820 Baird

00:38:03.120 said

00:38:03.420 very

00:38:04.160 candidly

00:38:04.760 when I

00:38:04.980 was

00:38:05.100 speaking

00:38:05.340 to him

00:38:05.700 earlier

00:38:06.080 is that

00:38:06.540 you need

00:38:07.160 to talk

00:38:07.560 about

00:38:07.840 a

00:38:08.020 situation

00:38:08.460 in which

00:38:08.820 the

00:38:09.000 people

00:38:09.360 want

00:38:09.800 change

00:38:10.300 in which

00:38:10.560 the

00:38:10.720 people

00:38:11.000 rise

00:38:11.380 up

00:38:11.640 and

00:38:12.080 when

00:38:12.320 that

00:38:12.600 happens

00:38:13.120 it's

00:38:13.420 the

00:38:13.600 responsibility

00:38:14.140 of the

00:38:14.480 world

00:38:14.680 to go

00:38:15.000 in

00:38:15.200 and

00:38:15.340 recognize

00:38:16.020 that

00:38:16.880 it's

00:38:17.080 happened

00:38:17.380 and

00:38:17.700 that's

00:38:18.020 the

00:38:18.240 phenomenon

00:38:18.580 we

00:38:18.820 see

00:38:19.060 after

00:38:19.480 revolutions

00:38:20.040 around

00:38:20.400 the

00:38:20.580 world

00:38:20.800 at

00:38:20.980 a

00:38:21.120 certain

00:38:21.320 point

00:38:21.600 countries

00:38:22.000 decide

00:38:22.520 or

00:38:22.780 don't

00:38:23.280 to

00:38:23.860 recognize

00:38:24.720 who

00:38:25.400 the

00:38:25.600 government

00:38:25.920 is

00:38:26.200 and

00:38:26.320 who

00:38:26.440 the

00:38:26.600 leader

00:38:26.800 is

00:38:27.100 and

00:38:27.220 this

00:38:27.640 is

00:38:27.780 an

00:38:27.900 illegitimate

00:38:28.420 regime

00:38:28.880 so

00:38:29.300 we're

00:38:29.620 not

00:38:29.760 talking

00:38:30.000 about

00:38:30.140 going

00:38:30.360 in

00:38:30.560 there

00:38:30.700 with

00:38:30.840 the

00:38:30.960 military

00:38:31.400 and

00:38:31.820 making

00:38:32.120 it

00:38:32.300 happen

00:38:32.600 what

00:38:32.780 they're

00:38:32.900 really

00:38:33.060 talking

00:38:33.440 about

00:38:33.700 is

00:38:33.800 identifying

00:38:34.400 when

00:38:34.720 those

00:38:34.960 conditions

00:38:35.420 for

00:38:35.740 change

00:38:36.180 are

00:38:36.380 there

00:38:36.700 when

00:38:37.000 the

00:38:37.220 situation

00:38:37.940 is

00:38:38.200 ripe

00:38:38.500 for

00:38:38.700 change

00:38:39.120 as

00:38:39.620 they

00:38:39.780 say

00:38:48.240 security

00:38:49.140 concerns

00:38:49.960 that

00:38:50.240 made

00:38:50.540 it

00:38:50.660 so

00:38:50.780 I

00:38:50.900 didn't

00:38:51.040 want

00:38:51.200 to

00:38:51.260 be

00:38:51.380 reporting

00:38:51.800 about

00:38:52.060 who

00:38:52.500 was

00:38:52.740 there

00:38:53.020 at

00:38:53.260 the

00:38:53.400 time

00:38:53.760 as

00:38:54.040 I

00:38:54.140 was

00:38:54.280 talking

00:38:54.620 to

00:38:54.800 them

00:38:54.920 but

00:38:55.040 now

00:38:55.240 that

00:38:55.460 everyone

00:38:56.000 has

00:38:56.260 left

00:38:56.600 Albania

00:38:57.240 I'm

00:38:57.740 able

00:38:57.880 to

00:38:58.020 tell

00:38:58.220 these

00:38:58.480 stories

00:38:58.820 in

00:38:59.000 a

00:38:59.080 bit

00:38:59.160 more

00:38:59.340 detail

00:38:59.680 and

00:38:59.920 in

00:39:00.020 this

00:39:00.180 show

00:39:00.400 I

00:39:00.600 shared

00:39:00.920 a few

00:39:01.180 of

00:39:01.300 those

00:39:01.440 conversations

00:39:02.100 obviously

00:39:02.880 the

00:39:03.220 point

00:39:03.460 of

00:39:03.560 these

00:39:03.720 things

00:39:03.980 though

00:39:04.140 is

00:39:04.240 that

00:39:04.340 you

00:39:04.420 learn

00:39:04.640 a

00:39:04.780 lot

00:39:04.980 that

00:39:05.120 you

00:39:05.240 keep

00:39:05.440 referring

00:39:05.880 back

00:39:06.240 to

00:39:06.480 when

00:39:07.080 stories

00:39:07.500 emerge

00:39:07.980 that

00:39:08.180 deal

00:39:08.360 with

00:39:08.540 Iran

00:39:08.900 that

00:39:09.100 deal

00:39:09.260 with

00:39:09.400 the

00:39:09.480 human

00:39:09.660 rights

00:39:09.940 abuses

00:39:10.360 and

00:39:10.900 that

00:39:11.000 also

00:39:11.220 deal

00:39:11.500 with

00:39:11.720 the

00:39:11.840 resistance

00:39:12.300 and

00:39:12.760 the

00:39:12.920 opposition

00:39:13.420 to

00:39:13.700 Iran

00:39:14.020 which

00:39:14.220 seems

00:39:14.420 to

00:39:14.540 be

00:39:14.660 growing

00:39:15.020 by

00:39:15.740 the

00:39:15.940 day

00:39:16.220 that'll

00:39:16.820 do

00:39:16.940 it

00:39:17.060 for

00:39:17.280 today's

00:39:17.720 program

00:39:18.080 however

00:39:18.380 my

00:39:18.580 thanks

00:39:18.860 to

00:39:19.000 all

00:39:19.300 of

00:39:19.440 you

00:39:19.540 for

00:39:19.840 tuning

00:39:20.160 in

00:39:20.440 we'll

00:39:20.840 talk

00:39:21.040 to

00:39:21.120 you

00:39:21.240 soon

00:39:21.440 back

00:39:21.740 on

00:39:22.020 Canadian

00:39:22.400 soil

00:39:22.780 this

00:39:23.020 is

00:39:23.180 Canada's

00:39:23.720 most

00:39:24.160 irreverent

00:39:24.600 talk

00:39:24.840 show

00:39:25.040 on

00:39:25.660 True

00:39:25.940 North

00:39:26.160 The

00:39:26.320 Andrew

00:39:26.540 Lawton

00:39:26.800 Show

00:39:27.000 thank

00:39:27.300 you

00:39:27.440 God

00:39:27.760 bless

00:39:28.060 and

00:39:28.280 good

00:39:28.420 day

00:39:28.600 to

00:39:28.720 you

00:39:28.820 all

00:39:29.020 thanks

00:39:29.300 for

00:39:29.460 listening

00:39:29.740 to

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00:39:30.340 Lawton

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Juno News - July 26, 2022

Dissidents are putting the Iranian regime on notice

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