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Do black Canadians support the renaming of Dundas Square?


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In a bid to make new immigrants feel more welcome, Toronto renamed Dundas Square after Henry Dundas, an abolitionist who fought against slavery in the British Empire. But did the city council even bother to look into the history of Dundas before they named it Sankofa Square? In this episode, I'm joined by writer and scholar Samuel Say to discuss how people really feel about this.

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00:00:00.000 Canadian elites want to rewrite our history and erase any mention of the old history.
00:00:04.900 Now this in theory is a bid to make newcomers and new immigrants feel more welcome and more
00:00:09.480 comfortable. But does it actually do that? Well today I'm joined by writer and scholar
00:00:13.320 Samuel Say to discuss how people really feel about woke cancel culture bids. I'm Candice
00:00:18.220 Malcolm and this is the Candice Malcolm show. Hi everyone thank you so much for tuning into the
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00:00:39.220 website tnc.news. Okay so you've definitely heard the news by now on Thursday December 14th. Toronto
00:00:45.580 voted, the socialist mayor and the city council voted unanimously to rename the city's iconic
00:00:51.100 Dundas Square. The new name would become Sankofa Square. Well Andrew Lawton almost immediately
00:00:57.400 broke the story that the name Sankofa comes from a tribe in Africa in Ghana called the Akan tribe
00:01:04.980 and they actually have their own sordid history when it comes to slavery. They were part of the 0.88
00:01:10.400 slave trade, part of the transatlantic slave trade. They used their own slaves. So we were told that
00:01:15.180 Henry Dundas had to go because of his alleged connections to slavery. Turns out that Henry
00:01:19.700 Dundas was actually quite an abolitionist who fought against slavery and helped end slavery
00:01:24.620 in the British Empire and yet here we are bringing in a new name that has its own connections. It really
00:01:30.260 makes you shake your head and wonder what's going on in city council in Toronto. Do they do research?
00:01:35.320 Do they even bother googling things before they try to fundamentally change Canada? Well I wanted to
00:01:41.380 bring in a new perspective, a different perspective on this story. So I've asked writer, scholar and
00:01:47.280 occasional True North contributor Samuel Say on the program today to get his perspective. So Samuel
00:01:52.280 welcome to The Candace Malcolm Show. Thank you so much for your time today. Thank you for having me.
00:01:57.740 Okay Sam, so you saw the story and well first of all I just want to say congratulations on the recent
00:02:03.260 birth of your son. Welcome to the joys of fatherhood and parenthood. It's really wonderful to see you and your
00:02:09.660 wife so happy. And I did want to get your perspective on what is happening in Toronto.
00:02:15.160 So what do you think of all this? Yeah, you know, I'm a Ghanaian. I'm a Ghanaian Canadian.
00:02:21.320 I'm actually part of the Akan tribe. So this, when I read this, I'm like, it's frankly so stupid to me. 1.00
00:02:30.020 It's absurd. You mentioned already just how dumb it is because of the fact that if the whole goal is to 0.99
00:02:36.100 try to erase the so-called connections to slavery, well, I mean, the Akan tribe, particularly the 0.94
00:02:42.460 Ashanti tribe, the biggest tribe within the Akan tribe, were massive slave traders. They were, 1.00
00:02:48.640 they didn't just trade with the Europeans. They were the one who actually suggested the slave trade
00:02:54.060 to the Europeans, right? And then it was actually, of course, the Europeans, especially the British,
00:02:58.800 that abolished the slave trade. People like Henry Dundas. Now they say that, you know,
00:03:04.280 he helped delay the slave trade as well too. Well, in a sense, that's true, but they're ignoring a lot
00:03:10.420 of context there. Nevertheless, he was still an abolitionist, at least, even if he's an imperfect
00:03:15.360 abolitionist, he's still an abolitionist. But the Akan tribe, or particularly the Ashanti tribe within
00:03:21.340 the Akan tribe in Ghana, they were not abolitionists. They were forced to end slavery through the British.
00:03:27.680 So it's so bizarre that they would choose this name to, and you know, one of the fascinating things is
00:03:33.740 that as an Akan person, as a Ghanaian, the meaning of Sankofa is actually very,
00:03:39.880 very important. It means that we should not erase the past. It means that we should not forget the
00:03:45.160 past. We should remember it, right? And to, you know, to try to live in a better way because we
00:03:52.540 remember the past. Well, this is so bizarre because this is literally trying to ignore the past, right?
00:03:59.740 So it's really weird that they're trying to, they're choosing the name Sankofa by doing the
00:04:04.280 very thing that the meaning of the word suggests you shouldn't do. So it's so bizarre.
00:04:08.760 Wow, Sam. Well, thanks for sharing. I mean, there's so much irony wrapped up in this, right? It's like
00:04:12.620 you're taking away the name of an abolitionist and naming it after a tribe that turns out is sort of
00:04:17.640 infamous or well-known, at least for people who are aware of it, with their ties to slavery. And then,
00:04:22.880 of course, the meaning of that word is to do exactly the opposite of what city council has done.
00:04:28.420 Interesting. I noticed on Twitter, there's a woman named Jennifer Dundas, who she's actually a guest 0.95
00:04:32.720 on Harrison Faulkner's Ratio podcast the other day. I definitely recommend you check that out. But
00:04:37.780 she's a descendant of Henry Dundas. She's actually a former CBC journalist as well and a crown prosecutor.
00:04:43.820 She wrote that the name was on a shortlist for 14 months and that there was a lot of debate inside
00:04:49.520 council about this. So you would think, you know, they've been planning to do this for years.
00:04:52.960 This was on the shortlist for 14 months. Why didn't anybody bother to sort of look into this?
00:05:00.100 Do they not think about it? Like, what do you think the mindset is behind this unanimous vote? Like,
00:05:04.800 every single councillor, there wasn't a single one that said, hey, guys, hold on a second. Let's like,
00:05:10.080 maybe think this through a little more. No one, apparently no one in the city council had that
00:05:14.180 insight. Why do you think that is, Sam?
00:05:16.340 Well, we've seen lately in our country, considering what happened with the Nazi that 0.88
00:05:21.660 was celebrated by our parliament, when they're thinking of virtue signaling, they're not thinking,
00:05:26.760 they're not really thinking about doing research. They're so focused on getting applause from certain
00:05:31.420 groups of people that they rarely just choose to not care about the history. They don't care to think
00:05:38.160 about whether it was a Nazi looking him up to make sure that he's actually a Nazi and not really this
00:05:42.220 war hero that they're making him up to be. Or, like the word Sankofa, they're not thinking about, huh,
00:05:46.920 what are the ties there? Could there be, could anything go wrong with this? They seem to be so focused
00:05:51.140 with virtue signaling that that's all that matters to them. And look, here's the reality. I'm a young
00:05:56.140 Ghanaian Canadian. Ghanaian Canadians do not care about this. We're not, like, there's no Ghanaian
00:06:01.480 Canadian that I know. And I spoke to many of them who are like, yeah, this is, no, what they care about,
00:06:07.060 right? And look, black, black Canadians tend to be, of course, almost all immigrants, right?
00:06:11.700 First generation immigrants or second generation immigrants. And what they care about most
00:06:15.540 is the economy. They care about fixing the issues that young people, right? Young families are,
00:06:23.880 that Ghanaian Canadians are trying to feed their families right now. They're trying to buy homes.
00:06:27.020 They can't. Nobody cares about changing this. It's not pleasing anybody. But as always, it is just
00:06:33.100 the silly government trying to ignore real issues, issues facing real immigrants. They're trying to 0.98
00:06:39.600 ignore that by doing this virtue signaling. And it's not doing anything. Nobody cares.
00:06:44.180 I really, I really do think that a lot of Canadians have just had enough in general. And it's
00:06:47.740 interesting to hear your perspective about immigrant Canadians and black Canadians as well. It seems to me
00:06:52.020 really, Sam, that multiculturalism is failing before our eyes. I'll give you a few examples of just what 0.96
00:06:56.960 we've seen in the past, I don't know, 72 hours here in Toronto. It seems that all the, all the bad stuff
00:07:01.860 is happening in Toronto. So first up at Yorkdale Mall, just north of Toronto, the northern part of the city,
00:07:06.580 we saw families being harassed and intimidated by Hamas supporters at Yorkdale Mall. They're
00:07:11.860 visiting Santa Claus, okay, they're with their kids trying to sit on Santa's knee. And you can hear
00:07:16.200 the jeers and shouting of the crowd. Let's play that quick clip.
00:07:46.200 Next, down at Eaton Centre, which is just across the street from Dundas Square, we saw more Hamas 1.00
00:07:57.580 supporters, this time swearing at Christmas shoppers, and even threatening police officers. Looks like a
00:08:02.760 pretty scary, intimidating crowd. Here's a quick glimpse of what that looked like.
00:08:06.580 And then finally, Sam, we saw the news of this gigantic 55 foot religious statue being erected
00:08:25.140 in Brampton, Ontario. There was a tremendous backlash and opposition to this large statue,
00:08:32.280 of course, against the backdrop that Canadian statues get torn down with some frequency. And
00:08:37.560 as we're talking about today, names get removed from our history. And so it's a little strange to
00:08:42.600 see other cultures getting celebrated in this way. What is happening in Toronto? What's happening in
00:08:47.780 Canada? And what can we do about all this? Honestly, it is a symptom of what's happened to
00:08:53.040 our country with multiculturalism. Look, I'm an immigrant. I love my Ghanaian culture. But I also
00:08:59.380 know that I'm in Canada. And that Canada, we do have a culture. It's unfortunate that we're trying
00:09:04.560 to push this multiculturalism thing. There is a Canadian history and a Canadian culture. And people
00:09:09.260 are trying to abandon that. These are, of course, the woke leftists. But the reason why I mentioned
00:09:13.540 that is because, look, when I emigrated to the country 26 years ago, I knew that I had to assimilate.
00:09:20.760 I knew that there was a dominant culture that I had to respect. And I love the culture that I've
00:09:25.880 came to in all respect. But the issue now is this. When you push multiculturalism, what you're doing
00:09:31.360 is you're teaching people, you're teaching new immigrants, new citizens, not to respect the 0.95
00:09:37.120 culture that Canada has. Therefore, and look, when you have multiculturalism, you're going to have
00:09:41.680 competing cultures. So what happens is when people have competing cultures, there will eventually be
00:09:47.700 a struggle for a dominant culture. And you're seeing that right now. There's some people who want
00:09:52.680 their culture to dominate other Canadians. And that's what you're seeing already with some of 0.96
00:09:57.500 these, some of these, what happened at Yorkdale Mall, or what we've seen already with a lot of
00:10:01.160 the protests, the anti-Semitic protests you've been seeing as well, too. There are people who are
00:10:06.220 trying to establish their own dominant culture, because they know that, unfortunately, so many
00:10:10.100 Canadians or so many politicians want to do away with the Canadian culture. Now, when it comes to
00:10:14.980 that statue, it's, it's, it's work. I'm from Brampton, and I know that's in Brampton.
00:10:19.860 And that, to me, is absurd as well, too, because the reality is this, is that I, you know, believe
00:10:25.720 in religious freedom, right? I want anybody who, you know, I don't want Hindus to be, of 1.00
00:10:31.620 course, kept from coming to the country, necessarily. That's not the case at all. However, the reality
00:10:36.220 is, now, if you are somebody in Brampton, you have this massive statue that you almost can't
00:10:42.160 avoid is, you know, 55 foot tall. It's, there is this, it's basically Brampton saying, the, the, the God we
00:10:50.160 worship here is a Hindu God. I can't imagine that if some other religious group wanted to establish
00:10:55.640 that, that would be okay. I can't imagine that that would be tolerated. But because it seems like
00:11:00.580 we are okay respecting any other religion, except for the traditional Christian religion in Canada,
00:11:06.300 then that, that's okay. And again, it's, this stuff is going to keep happening if Canada continues to
00:11:11.320 reject its own cultural heritage. No, that's a really good point. Like, I, I completely agree 1.00
00:11:16.320 with the religious freedom aspect of it. I think that Hindus should be able to pray however they
00:11:20.500 want. I'm glad that they have that freedom in Canada. I'm very happy that they come in so many
00:11:24.280 ways. Hindus are model citizens. But there is something political, like a statement being made by
00:11:29.140 erecting a statue of that size happening. It's like a mis, misreading of the tone of the country,
00:11:33.960 like everyone else's statues are getting torn and you're erecting this, this large statue. You can,
00:11:38.560 you can draw some like historical parallels to that. But if anything, it's just a little bit
00:11:42.520 like distasteful or disrespectful in, in Canada. But you know, I, I think you're right. I think that,
00:11:48.660 that newcomers have sort of lost the, the respect and Canadians it's, it's our, it's our fault. We 1.00
00:11:53.760 haven't, especially our elites and those in charge haven't demanded that newcomers respect Canada and,
00:11:59.460 and come to terms with the fact that there is a dominant culture. I thought it was interesting,
00:12:03.520 Samuel, you might not have heard this, but there was a proposal to make December Christian Heritage
00:12:08.580 Month in Canada so that Canadians can learn about Christianity and the traditions that actually
00:12:13.300 helped find this, found this country, like a country was based on Christian morals and values
00:12:18.760 and it was rejected. And if you look at the list of all of the other heritage months that we
00:12:23.960 celebrate in Canada, you know, November is actually Hindu Heritage Month and like every other culture
00:12:28.440 and every other country and other other religion gets a month or at least a week or a day to
00:12:32.760 celebrate their heritage. And when it comes to the founding religion of this country,
00:12:36.720 yeah, no, you can't, you can't have that.
00:12:39.000 Yeah. And you know, you know, our very, of the official model of Canada is explicitly Christian,
00:12:44.820 right? It has come from Psalm 72, right? From dominion to dominion. That's referring to Christ,
00:12:49.980 lordship and kingship over Canada. And yet here we are rejecting this and we rather have,
00:12:54.720 and you know, speaking of doing away with Henry Dundas because he supposedly was a, you know,
00:13:00.060 wasn't a real abolitionist. Well, here's the issue. I mean, let's face it. There have been a lot of
00:13:05.220 atrocities that has happened under a lot of Hindu pagan worship. And here we are though, choosing 0.59
00:13:10.840 a pagan god to, you know, to be erected in Brampton while, as you said, in terms of, you know,
00:13:17.180 while we're, you know, doing away with some historical figures that mean a lot to Canada,
00:13:21.140 we're saying that, well, they should be canceled, but we should celebrate Hindu gods that again, 1.00
00:13:26.400 in the name of worshiping them. So many atrocities have happened under these gods as well. It's
00:13:31.860 absolutely absurd. But again, while we continue to reject the Christian traditional history that
00:13:38.340 has made Canada what it is, we are going to have a very different Canada. And we're seeing that.
00:13:43.320 It's so true how they sort of whitewash the crimes and the real dark parts of history from other
00:13:49.880 cultures and only focus on the dark moments in Canadian history, which really aren't that dark
00:13:55.920 compared to some of the histories of the rest of the world. Well, Samuel, I always really
00:13:59.640 appreciate talking to you. I love your perspective. I love hearing from you. So
00:14:02.400 thank you so much. And I hope you have a wonderful Christmas with your new and growing family. God
00:14:07.220 bless you. And thank you for joining us. Thank you so much. All right, thanks for tuning in. I'm
00:14:12.100 Candice Malcolm. And this is the Candice Malcolm Show.