Juno News - July 22, 2019


Does ＂media freedom＂ mean subsidizing media？

Topics
government funding public media independence public media independence
Guests
Sally-Ann Wilson
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6 minutes

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1,131

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In this episode, we talk to Sally Ann Wilson, CEO of the Public Media Alliance, about the importance of a strong public media system around the world. We also hear from Giacomo Mazzoni from the European Broadcasting Union about why public media is stronger in countries with strong public funding.

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00:00:00.000 Joining me is Sally-Ann Wilson, CEO of the Public Media Alliance.
00:00:04.520 The tenor of this panel, Sally-Ann, was really about the idea of protecting and, I'd say, bolstering,
00:00:10.980 going beyond protecting what exists now, public media around the world.
00:00:15.100 And the conference has been overarchingly about media freedom,
00:00:18.880 but I'm curious how funding equates to freedom when you're talking about public broadcasters.
00:00:24.860 It's not just a matter of funding.
00:00:26.520 I think it's, I'd say, fundamentally, it's a matter of awareness, public awareness,
00:00:31.600 political awareness of the role that public media plays in society.
00:00:35.960 So we've heard today from Giacomo Mazzoni from the European Broadcasting Union
00:00:40.760 that actually even individual journalist freedom is stronger in countries
00:00:44.660 with a good, strong, robust public media system.
00:00:48.040 So I think it's making sure that, you know, it's not down to the penny of how they're funded.
00:00:52.860 Funding is important.
00:00:53.880 There's been a big tendency in recent years to keep wanting to fund new technologies, new ideas.
00:01:00.180 And actually, with public media, particularly in countries like Canada,
00:01:03.040 with CBC Radio Canada, other public broadcasters there,
00:01:06.300 we have something that works.
00:01:09.240 And we just need to invest in it.
00:01:10.680 We need to promote it.
00:01:11.840 And we need to raise awareness about it.
00:01:13.680 Because worldwide, you know, for Canada, you could read what's happening in Australia,
00:01:18.720 what's happening in the heart of Europe.
00:01:20.660 These things can change very quickly when governments change, when political pressure changes.
00:01:26.240 And then suddenly, we no longer have that public media institution that we all love to criticize.
00:01:31.140 But it's our friend, and it's there for our good.
00:01:33.960 And it's there to underpin our democracy and inform our democracy.
00:01:38.300 In the context of CBC in Canada, since you bring it up, and obviously, since it's my home country,
00:01:44.480 even there, the board that governs it is appointed by the government of the day.
00:01:48.940 Now, it still prides itself of being independent as far as news coverage goes.
00:01:52.900 And I think for the most part, it does a good job at keeping a wall there.
00:01:56.080 But how do you maintain independence and also being entirely reliant on government?
00:02:02.640 Because government could, any party in power, drop funding at the drop of a hat.
00:02:07.500 And we have seen this happen.
00:02:08.600 Or at the very least, governments refusing to put more funding in when it's requested.
00:02:13.400 I think the governance models for public media vary around the world.
00:02:17.300 Obviously, it originated in the UK with the BBC.
00:02:19.640 And that license fee model is a robust one because it does keep some separation from government.
00:02:27.000 But we've also seen Swedish Radio today talked about the foundation that funds public media in Sweden.
00:02:34.520 I think in most countries, it is a system not unlike that of governance, unlike that in Canada for CBC Radio Canada.
00:02:41.760 And I think we're always aware that there's going to be a tension between governments and public media.
00:02:48.000 That means actually it's working quite well.
00:02:50.320 But it's how we make sure that that independence stays in place.
00:02:54.260 And I think there's nothing that really alarms me in terms of the model you have in Canada.
00:03:00.600 I think it's one that's copied very, you know, if you have board members appointed by an independent public appointments commission,
00:03:09.980 somebody still from government usually appoints the person who's doing it from the independent public appointments commission.
00:03:15.100 So as long as there is a board, as long as that works well with management, as long as there is that clear independence shown in every report that the public media does,
00:03:27.760 then I think you're home safe and dry.
00:03:30.060 But it is something we have to guard and we have to watch all the time.
00:03:32.660 What's your view of state broadcasters?
00:03:36.460 And I'm saying that term to differentiate from what our Swedish friend said on the panel about broadcasters that are set up under an entirely different business model.
00:03:44.700 But what's your view on them ultimately competing on more commercial enterprises?
00:03:50.120 So one big example is where the public broadcaster of a country may bid to be the official carrier of the Olympics against private companies or bidding to carry award shows.
00:04:00.980 And setting up a CBC in Canada has online columns, satire sites, these things, which are no doubt relevant.
00:04:08.900 But private media companies are concerned that they're fighting against a behemoth they can't match in funding.
00:04:14.960 I think for many, many years we've heard the argument from commercial media players that there's an unfair bias in funding.
00:04:22.860 I don't agree with that.
00:04:23.940 I think that actually public media has, by and large, it's country specific, a very clear context of what it can compete with, as you say, or have as rights.
00:04:34.000 Now, very often national sporting rights events that are in the public interest of that particular country, that particular locale,
00:04:42.140 they are important that the public media carries them.
00:04:44.360 Because this isn't something about how people pay to watch it or pay to engage with it.
00:04:51.260 It's there.
00:04:52.080 It's part of their national DNA.
00:04:54.240 And so that's where it's not competition, because those commercial providers very often want to charge for it.
00:05:00.440 And public media is about universal access.
00:05:02.860 It's about something that every citizen in the country, however poor, wherever they live, rural or urban, has a right to watch.
00:05:10.080 And in many cases, I think that that has to be sport as well.
00:05:13.380 So I guess the one question I would ask in conclusion to follow up on that is,
00:05:18.480 do you accept or reject the premise that public media is best served fulfilling voids in existing markets?
00:05:26.880 Certainly not.
00:05:28.080 There's no way that public media is just there to fulfill a void.
00:05:31.100 I think public media is there as a centre DNA of any country's existence, of any democracy's existence.
00:05:38.860 If we start looking at just the deficit funding model, as it's called within public media circles, then that's going to fail.
00:05:46.220 It has to be there.
00:05:47.420 It has to be robust and acknowledged by governments as part of what the media system is.
00:05:53.080 It has to be multi-platform.
00:05:54.460 In the multimedia world, we're not saying it has to just be radio and television.
00:05:58.340 It has to be, we heard today about the innovations.
00:06:00.640 But it has to be there and it has to be central.
00:06:04.640 And I think that's what we're hoping to build global awareness with.
00:06:08.540 Canada, CBC Redder Canada, they're a founding member of PMA.
00:06:13.020 They're on the board of PMA.
00:06:14.860 And I think we're looking forward to working with them to ensure that it's robust in Canada and it's robust worldwide.
00:06:20.500 Thank you very much for your time.
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