Juno News - Doug Ford’s $75M anti-tariff ad BLOWS UP trade talks

00:00:00.000 Welcome to Straight Up. I am your host, Mark Petroni. Appreciate you tuning in, my friends.

00:00:10.700 Well, the week began on a wave of optimism amidst talk of an imminent trade deal between

00:00:16.220 Canada and the United States. Just a few days ago, Prime Minister Carney confirmed a possible

00:00:22.500 deal on steel and aluminum. All of that evaporated over an anti-tariff TV ad launched in the United

00:00:29.980 States by Premier Doug Ford of Ontario and paid for by Ontario taxpayers. So while Canadian trade

00:00:37.060 representatives were working overtime to try and hammer a deal with their counterparts from the

00:00:42.280 United States, the Ford government was running its own pressure campaign in the United States,

00:00:47.840 launching a $75 million ad campaign featuring the voice of Ronald Reagan criticizing the use of

00:00:55.520 tariffs. When someone says, let's impose tariffs on foreign imports, it looks like they're doing 1.00

00:01:01.020 the patriotic thing by protecting American products and jobs. And sometimes for a short while it works,

00:01:09.560 but only for a short time. But over the long run, such trade barriers hurt every American worker

00:01:15.800 and consumer. Now, when he was asked about it earlier this week, Ford sounded pleased with himself,

00:01:22.380 predicting that Reagan Republicans would turn on Trump over the issue of tariffs.

00:01:27.500 I heard that the president heard our ad. I'm sure he wasn't too happy, but it's real because it was

00:01:34.200 coming from the best president the country's ever seen, Ronald Reagan. So it is. It's very effective.

00:01:41.940 It's probably one of the best ads I've ever seen. And it's coming from Ronald Reagan's voice. And it's

00:01:46.760 going to be focused on right across the country, but also in Republican held areas, because what I feel

00:01:54.640 the Reagan Republicans are going to be fighting with a MAGA group. And let's hope Reagan Republicans win.

00:02:02.180 Well, it backfired big time because instead, Trump pulled the plug on trade negotiations,

00:02:07.660 just when it seemed that we were inching closer to a deal with the Americans.

00:02:11.640 The president posted this on Truth Social. The Ronald Reagan Foundation has just announced that

00:02:17.280 Canada has fraudulently used an advertisement, which is fake, featuring Ronald Reagan speaking

00:02:24.280 negatively about tariffs. The ad was for $75 million. So they only did this to interfere with

00:02:32.500 the decision of the U.S. Supreme Court and other courts. And based on their egregious behavior,

00:02:38.300 all trade negotiations with Canada are hereby terminated. Now, Prime Minister Carney was

00:02:45.060 asked about it today, but pretty much stuck to talking points.

00:02:49.560 We have stressed the importance of distinguishing things we can control and things we can't control.

00:02:56.940 Well, Carney just walked away from those questions. The TV ads, by the way, cherry-picked parts

00:03:07.660 of a Ronald Reagan speech back in 1987. That same year, by the way, Reagan levied a 100% tariff

00:03:15.380 on certain Japanese electronic products, talking about TVs and computers, all in response to that

00:03:22.400 country's alleged violation of a semiconductor trade agreement. And by the way, three years earlier,

00:03:28.160 in 1984, he applied tariffs to Canadian softwood lumber to counter federal subsidies.

00:03:34.140 So, look, Reagan clearly opposed tariffs on principle, but he did not hesitate to use

00:03:41.860 them if he felt that other countries were taking America, well, taking advantage of the United

00:03:46.800 States. This morning, Trump posted the following, Canada cheated and got caught. Canada is trying

00:03:53.840 to illegally influence the United States Supreme Court in one of the most important rulings in the

00:03:59.900 history of our country. Well, Ford is reportedly under great pressure to pull the ads in an effort to

00:04:07.460 get trade talks back on the rails, but he's been silent so far today as reporters gathered outside

00:04:13.520 his office. And given this latest blow to negotiations, it looks like Ford badly miscalculated

00:04:20.860 on the American reaction to those ads. The other question is, did Prime Minister Carney agree or did

00:04:28.520 he even know about those ads? You know, what did he know and when did he know it? He wasn't answering

00:04:33.920 questions today. Meantime, Ottawa is hitting back against both GM and Stellantis with retaliatory

00:04:40.840 tariffs on vehicles. The Globe and Mail quoted an unnamed government source in saying the following,

00:04:47.280 the number of U.S. assembled vehicles that Stellantis can sell in Canada tariff-free will be cut by half,

00:04:54.780 50% and 24.2% for General Motors. So we have no confirmation on that story by the Carney regime

00:05:05.140 at this point. Now, we've just received this message courtesy of what Doug Ford thinks about

00:05:12.580 whether he's going to be pulling these ads or not. When asked if Ontario is pulling the Ronald Reagan TV

00:05:17.940 ad, Ontario Premier Doug Ford tells the Globe and Mail, I will be running the ad tonight for the World Series.

00:05:25.320 George Ann Burke joins us. She is a political strategist and communications expert. And

00:05:30.740 George Ann, it looks like Doug Ford miscalculated badly on the reaction he was going to get

00:05:36.440 as a result of these TV ads. What do you think? Yeah, well, he certainly miscalculated what the

00:05:43.040 reaction of Donald Trump would be, which was fury. Part of the problem is, I think people don't realize

00:05:49.280 this, that they're actually in the middle of a court case in the United States on the issue of tariffs.

00:05:53.580 And people speaking up like this at this particular time, foreign leaders, is very bad timing. It's a

00:06:03.080 bit of interference and a domestic issue. Until this gets resolved in the courts, you know, the whole

00:06:09.180 issue around tariffs, whether he's got the right to do it, which of course we know he does, but that

00:06:12.620 doesn't stop people from taking him to court. Until it gets resolved, it would be nice if, you know,

00:06:20.420 Ford and others kept their mouths shut. But they didn't. On top of that, the Reagan Foundation,

00:06:26.680 which was a surprise to me, because I wouldn't see them as the type of organization that would

00:06:33.160 jump on an issue like this and speak out on it. But they were literally livid that they used this

00:06:38.900 speech without checking first if it was okay. And secondly, they said it was taken out of context,

00:06:44.800 that they actually spliced together things that sounded differently than what he actually said.

00:06:49.720 And I cannot tell you how many comments I've seen today about things that Reagan actually did that,

00:06:55.300 frankly, I completely forgot about, that changed the course of manufacturing in the United States,

00:07:01.040 including Honda. So apparently he wasn't so wildly opposed to carefully used tariffs, if they made

00:07:11.060 sense. And of course, the environment we're in 30 years later, okay, 40 years later, what am I saying?

00:07:17.060 40 years later, is completely different than when he was president. We have a completely different

00:07:21.840 economic and world environment than we had 40 years ago. Different set of enemies, a different

00:07:29.560 set of economic issues around the world. And Trump is reacting to it as he sees as appropriate.

00:07:37.500 Maybe Ronald Reagan would see the same thing. We have no way of knowing him. We certainly cannot ask him.

00:07:41.340 God rest his soul. So using his speech like this was, I think, very unwise. And I think that the,

00:07:52.240 well, there were two ministers that were scheduled to make announcements today, and they were abruptly

00:07:56.940 canceled this morning. So I sent a note back to my office when I got the email and I said,

00:08:01.520 hmm, I see a pattern here. Only he apparently was brave enough to speak out to announce that he was

00:08:06.680 going to have it shown at the World Series. I'm curious as to what kind of reaction he's going to

00:08:10.660 get for that. He doesn't seem to care what Trump thinks. Yeah, but what about the trade deal? You

00:08:18.340 know, we were inching close, at least so we were led to believe earlier this week, there was talk that

00:08:23.380 a deal was imminent, at least on aluminum and steel. And that would have been a step forward.

00:08:28.120 So the fact that we're kind of dropping the football here on the one yard line fumbling when we might have

00:08:35.560 been able to announce a deal at this time. I mean, that's got to be a real blow. The other question I would

00:08:41.320 have is, to what degree was Carney read in on this ad? How much did he know? Did he know that the ad was

00:08:48.540 coming out? Did he say, yeah, let's go for it? I mean, what do you think?

00:08:53.460 So I actually asked that question to some people today, and nobody knows for sure. So this is

00:08:59.780 speculation. I'm freely admitting it's speculation. But on the other hand, it's educated speculation

00:09:05.160 for people who kind of know the lay of the land. They would have been surprised if he wasn't aware

00:09:09.520 that this ad was being run. And someone said actually to me, well, we think that they probably

00:09:15.860 thought they were very clever doing this, that this was a very clever thing to do. The two of them

00:09:19.200 probably laughed about it. Maybe they're not laughing so loud. Now, Carney couldn't run away

00:09:23.480 fast enough this morning to get on his plane to go to the other side of the world for another non-treaty

00:09:31.100 meeting. So I feel fairly sure he was aware of it. I don't know that he had to approve it. I don't

00:09:38.660 think that that was kind of it. It was like, oh, yeah, we're going to do this. And oh, yeah,

00:09:42.840 ha, ha, ha. He probably won't like it, but whatever, in his face. Well, okay, now you see what's

00:09:48.160 happened. Yeah, absolutely. It's completely blown up in the face of the Canadian side.

00:09:53.080 And who knows how long it'll take to get trade negotiations back on the rails? Because Trump

00:09:58.880 sounds pretty angry right now. It may be a long time before we're able to continue our

00:10:04.020 negotiations. What do you think? I can't disagree with that. Actually, I was in Washington. I think

00:10:10.280 I'm, you know, we spoke when I was there for the last couple of days, got back last night. And

00:10:15.640 I spoke to a lot of people that work in the administration there that were at an event

00:10:20.740 that I was at, including one of the cabinet secretaries. And their number one opinion and

00:10:28.220 impression of Canada is not very good right now. I would say that all of them, especially 0.59

00:10:34.320 the cabinet secretary I spoke to, had previously a sort of a positive, not sort of a positive

00:10:42.080 image of Canada as a friendly, supportive country to the North. But what they're seeing

00:10:47.400 now makes them wonder about a few things. Number one, the seriousness of the country in

00:10:53.500 general. Secondly, are they a reliable partner to the North for us? Do they care about security?

00:10:59.880 Do they care about safety? Do they care about who they bring into the country? Do they care 0.99

00:11:04.180 about what's going on in the country? Segue to fentanyl, which is a humongous issue. I don't know

00:11:11.380 if anybody's noticed, but Trump's blowing up boats that are carrying fentanyl. So maybe Canada should

00:11:17.560 think twice about allowing these fentanyl labs to continue to exist north of the border, being supplied

00:11:24.540 by ships coming over with raw materials through the Vancouver port, loaded with raw materials from

00:11:30.260 China for this effort, working in coordination with the Chinese, the cartels to create this stuff, 0.98

00:11:38.680 and then shipping it out again from the two ports, Montreal and Vancouver, all over the world.

00:11:43.300 Aren't we fabulous at world supplier of fentanyl? This is why there is so much hesitation

00:11:50.540 about the US right now. And their feeling is that they're not serious players, that they might

00:11:57.720 actually be dangerous. Someone said, in response to the Ford thing this morning, oh, well, maybe Trump

00:12:06.880 should just close the border. And I just wrote back, be careful what you wish for, because that could

00:12:11.620 happen. And it won't be about what Doug Ford said. It's going to be about a lot of other things that are

00:12:16.440 actually more serious and more problematic than, you know, this video.

00:12:23.620 Yeah. Yeah. Like playing footsie with China and 1.00

00:12:27.560 Oh, yes. Oh, my God.

00:12:28.560 Talking about strategic alliances with that country.

00:12:31.780 I just shook my head when I saw that this morning. I thought, what on God's green earth made you think

00:12:39.240 that was a smart thing to say at this time? So this, I don't know whether this woman doesn't think 0.72

00:12:44.920 before she opens her mouth or whether they told her to say it or whether this is what they actually

00:12:49.780 believe. I have no idea, but it's stunning.

00:12:54.100 So what next? I mean, on the trade front, what do we do now? Well, I mean, you're a communications

00:13:00.120 strategist. If you were advising Prime Minister Carney right now, what would you say to him

00:13:06.980 in terms of a course of action?

00:13:09.800 So one of the problems is that he keeps going places saying he's going to make deals and comes

00:13:14.800 back with nothing. So I would say to him, you need to stay home and take care of business here.

00:13:22.500 Don't I hope no, no liberals are listening because this might actually be good advice.

00:13:26.780 I'm not interested in helping them. But that being said, he should be staying home and dealing

00:13:32.540 with the problems he's got here. He actually had the gall yesterday to inform young Canadians

00:13:36.960 that things are going to be tough for them for a while now. You think things haven't been tough

00:13:41.100 for them in the last 10 years, thanks to his predecessor? Young people in this country feel

00:13:47.400 like they have no future. They feel like they don't want to stay here. They are trying to find ways

00:13:53.100 to get out and go live other places where there's more opportunity. So then you get up and you say

00:13:58.080 to them, oh, by the way, you were right. There isn't anything here for you. It's going to be tough

00:14:02.320 for the next while. So he is a problem. Again, I don't know who's giving him advice. I don't know

00:14:09.240 what their thinking is. But from my perspective, if he was actually doing his job, which is, by the way,

00:14:14.260 Prime Minister of Canada, not Prime Minister of the world, not Prime Minister of the WEF,

00:14:19.900 not Prime Minister, by the way, of the United States. Okay, none of that. He's Prime Minister

00:14:24.800 of Canada. He should stay at home and take care of Canada, which is urgently in need of caring right

00:14:29.820 now. If he is this financial wist that he and his people like to say he is, then I guess probably

00:14:38.000 he should, you know, prove it.

00:14:42.900 Well, we've got a budget coming up. Yeah, well, there's a budget that's going to be tabled days

00:14:47.720 from now on the 4th of November. Yeah, huge deficits going to be announced. Yeah. And well,

00:14:55.720 he doesn't have a majority government. He's going to have to rely on votes from somebody else.

00:15:01.480 Obviously, the NDP are the usual suspects when it comes to that sort of thing. But from what I hear,

00:15:08.360 if you believe Don Davies, and I'm not saying I do, but they're ready to pull the plug. And people

00:15:13.580 say, well, that can't possibly happen. The NDP has no money. You know, nobody wants an election.

00:15:19.040 But I'm just wondering if they could potentially end up bumbling and stumbling their way into a vote

00:15:25.220 that doesn't go their way in terms of the confidence motion is going to be tabled as a result of this

00:15:30.580 money bill. I think it's possible. And the reason I think it's possible is the liberals are looking

00:15:36.060 around and they're saying, well, the NDP isn't strong, has no money. The conservatives just lost

00:15:42.460 an election to us. And they believe that Pierre is weak. They believe that. Okay, I disagree. I don't

00:15:48.080 think he's, I don't think he's weak. I think there's, as usual, our party has naysayers, the same

00:15:53.840 people, by the way, that have been naysayers for the last 20 years, just by the way. So except

00:16:00.400 that now the media actually gives them some credit to talk to them, which I think is utterly 0.78

00:16:04.820 ridiculous. But that being said, that's what they're looking at. So they're saying, well,

00:16:08.840 our real opposition or the people who might actually, you know, be willing to help us

00:16:14.960 normally, but won't now, they're weak anyway. So now's the time maybe to go into an election

00:16:19.740 and finish them all off. Because all they have to do is win three more seats and they have

00:16:24.520 majority. If you think about it, you know, I haven't looked at the numbers lately, but

00:16:30.940 I think it might be possible. Now, on the other hand, there may be seats that they won narrowly,

00:16:35.400 they won't be able to keep. Because there are people that are having buyer's remorse.

00:16:41.420 So the question is, what are the real numbers out there? And I think that people are just beginning

00:16:46.980 to actually look at what now, you know, we're now six months into this government, seven months into

00:16:53.520 this government, six months, whatever it is. And they're looking at it and they're saying,

00:16:57.580 well, what have they really done? Inflation is not any better. Jobs are worse every day. Thousands

00:17:03.600 of jobs are disappearing across the border and to other places. I can tell you that businesses are

00:17:10.360 panicking, even the ones that are still here and operating, the ones that are relatively viable,

00:17:16.160 because they feel that when all of these small businesses and some of the larger ones that move

00:17:24.480 back to the U.S. or the small businesses that shut down because of lack of ability to function,

00:17:29.400 they're looking around and they're saying, who exactly are we going to sell our products to here?

00:17:34.440 You know, and these are, you know, these are the small, medium-sized manufacturers and businesses

00:17:38.920 in the country that are the backbone of our economy. They're the ones that are really scared

00:17:45.640 and really worried. And they absolutely should be, 100% should be worried. I think that the biggest

00:17:53.960 thing that gave me the greatest laugh is that apparently he intends to put a budget forward

00:17:59.560 that is going to make cuts in the public service, which will be the comeuppance for those, 0.55

00:18:05.960 I got to remember, this is going to be on the air, those naives, as I think was the word that I 0.99

00:18:12.660 used this morning, which is a polite way of saying idiots, that voted because Mark Carney was a 0.99

00:18:19.740 technocrat and they thought that he'd be on their side. He actually is only on his own side. And if 1.00

00:18:25.740 they're cutting, it will only be temporary anyway. I told them not to worry. I said, don't worry, he

00:18:29.400 won't really cut. What they'll do is figure out what the attrition rate is and they'll cut a few

00:18:34.540 contracts and maybe they'll do some not hiring. Like I know people that work in the bureaucracy

00:18:40.540 that have kind of hiring in process. They'll just stop those and say, you can't hire them now.

00:18:45.940 They won't do any real serious cutting back, but he's going to make it look like he is

00:18:49.420 because they have a gigantic problem with the deficit and the debt, a gigantic problem.

00:18:57.240 Canada's credit rating. I can't believe that it's holding anything considering our future

00:19:04.960 prospects. Things do not look good. So it'll be, I'm actually in a weird kind of masochistic way

00:19:11.960 looking forward to that budget just to see what it says, partly because I'll be waving goodbye

00:19:18.200 exactly two months after that. On the 4th of January, I'll be leaving the country permanently

00:19:23.940 and I'll be watching it with some degree of sadness for my friends and amusement and joy

00:19:30.220 for myself that I got out of it before things really turned south. So you'll be observing from

00:19:36.360 a safe distance, in other words. Yes, from a very safe distance, yes. Well, I think the biggest

00:19:44.200 broken promise really is getting that deal. I think he set the deadline, July 21st, we were supposed

00:19:49.680 to have an agreement in place. He was going to, I think, negotiate a victory on tariffs. I believe

00:19:55.880 that was the promise and it hasn't worked out. In fact, it's been a dismal failure. I mean,

00:20:01.400 you know what the irony is, Mark? Sure. Think back to November of 2024, right after Trump got elected

00:20:07.960 and Trudeau went down to Florida. He said to him, Canada cannot survive if you put a 10% tariff on our

00:20:15.080 goods. And then Trump, of course, made his famous comment, well, I don't use it on the 54th state.

00:20:20.800 But Trump was actually thinking at the time about 10%. And here we are now with much bigger tariffs

00:20:27.020 on things that we never had tariffed before. And no trade deal. USMCA is actually up for

00:20:34.180 renegotiation in 2026. I could see Trump just saying, we're not going to bother. We'll make a deal

00:20:39.440 with Mexico. So you wouldn't want to be a, because the Mexicans have played this very well. She's a 1.00

00:20:45.560 leftist. I wouldn't trust her as far as I could throw her, but she's played this very well. And

00:20:52.220 she's told Canada, no, we're not making a bilateral agreement with you. And the reason is she doesn't

00:20:57.500 want to, she understands you don't poke the bear. Even if she wanted to, she wouldn't do it. But I

00:21:03.900 don't see there's anything in it for her to make a separate deal with Canada. There's nothing in it. 0.57

00:21:07.840 I mean, you want access to that huge market. What have we got? 41 million people. And she's 1.00

00:21:14.800 looking at, well, she's like, do I want to cut a deal with you and run the risk of not cutting a

00:21:19.180 deal with the Trump administration, not having access to hundreds of millions of American consumers?

00:21:25.960 Yeah, that's an easy decision to make. Right. I didn't take a genius to figure out that she 0.99

00:21:30.940 wasn't going to go with it. I was dumbfounded that he actually publicly stated that that was his

00:21:35.620 intention to go to Mexico and try to cut a bilateral deal with her. This tells me a couple

00:21:40.740 of things. Number one, he's used to being in business where you can say something and it

00:21:45.140 happens. Trump kind of made a bit of that mistake in his first term. And he's kind of learned that

00:21:50.140 that's not exactly how it works. You have to be surrounded by people who actually will do the

00:21:54.660 things that you want done and agree with you. That's what's changed this time. This guy hasn't

00:22:00.440 figured this out yet, that when you're in politics, it's not exactly how it works unless you. And the

00:22:05.800 odd thing is that prime ministers have a great deal of political control, but they don't control

00:22:10.080 everything and they surely don't control what goes on outside of their country. That's the problem for

00:22:15.020 him. And if Carney really wants to make a deal with the United States, I think he does want a deal.

00:22:21.560 He's got to start looking at Doug Ford as a major problem, as a loose cannon, a guy who just needs

00:22:28.360 to shut the hell up until we get a deal done. And this is one example where he may have blown it for

00:22:36.680 the entire country. So what happens now between those two? I'm actually hoping that you're correct,

00:22:45.880 that he will call up Doug and say, lay off, just be quiet, stop doing this. I don't think Doug can,

00:22:53.400 I don't think he'll do it. My feeling is that he is being told that somehow what he's doing is going

00:22:59.800 to make things better, that he knows how to handle Trump, which clearly he doesn't because everything

00:23:08.700 he's done has done nothing but enraged Donald Trump. And I can tell you that comes pretty close

00:23:14.440 to from the horse's mouth to people that I've spoken to over the last few months. He's done nothing

00:23:18.860 but antagonize Donald Trump, even more than Carney, even more than Carney. He's not, I had a back and

00:23:26.140 forth with a very good friend of mine who's a very smart political person who thinks that Trump likes

00:23:31.740 Carney. And I said, no, you're not right about that. He doesn't like Carney. He prefers Carney because he

00:23:38.780 sees him as weak and pliable. He doesn't hate him, but he doesn't like him. And I said, what he doesn't

00:23:46.220 like about him is a couple of things. One, he thinks he's the smartest guy in the room,

00:23:49.980 which Trump never likes. And secondly, he's an elitist WEF globalist snob, overeducated snob

00:24:00.940 who looks down his nose at Donald Trump. Okay. And those are the people that Trump dislikes more

00:24:06.860 than anything. He would far prefer having a cup of tea while somebody else is drinking something

00:24:13.740 alcoholic because he doesn't drink with a cab driver, a waiter, a waitress, or a construction

00:24:19.900 worker, a real person than sitting and spending an hour with these guys. He would prefer it. He has to

00:24:24.940 do it because he knows what his job is. He's a guy who's dealt with the highest of the high in

00:24:29.180 business his whole life, but his real preference are regular people. And you can tell by the way he

00:24:34.700 interacts with them. If you watch him when he goes out and talks to the people, you can see he's

00:24:40.460 genuinely listening to them and he's genuinely engaged with them because he likes them. People

00:24:46.540 like Carnegie has to meet with. So as I said, I don't think he hates him, but I don't think that

00:24:52.060 people said he has great respect for him. Maybe he had respect for him when he was ahead of Brookfield,

00:24:57.260 but now he's looking at him saying, this guy don't know nothing about politics. He's pretty pathetic. 1.00

00:25:01.020 Yeah. And I think that hurts us really badly. Especially since a premier has done what he has 1.00

00:25:09.820 done. That will be something that Trump sees as it's on Carney because Carney doesn't have control

00:25:17.500 over these people. Now, granted, it's different levels of government, but he may see this as a

00:25:25.420 failure by Carney not to hold back forward. What do you think? Well, so it would be, for example,

00:25:32.620 like if Trump had to say to JB Pritzker or what's her name, Gretchen Whitmer or Kathy Hochul,

00:25:41.260 stop talking about trade with Canada. Have you heard a single governor bring that issue up? Well,

00:25:47.900 there's two reasons why they haven't. One, they know that's not their wheelhouse and they wouldn't do

00:25:53.660 that. And two, they don't really care that much. The mistake that Canadians make is they think that

00:25:59.580 the United States, people get up every morning and say, what's Canada doing? Let's find out what's

00:26:04.300 going on in Canada. I said, the only time they think about Canada is when Stanley Cup finals come

00:26:11.100 around and only if there's an American team in there. And the World Series, we have a Canadian team.

00:26:15.980 Well, the World Series are looking at games and saying, how the hell did they get in there?

00:26:19.580 Okay. So, but you don't, I assure you they're not rooting for the Jays. Okay. There are rumors.

00:26:27.500 There are rumors that they hate LA so much that they're rooting for the Jays. I don't know.

00:26:31.820 That might be the people in New York, New York Yankees. Don't like that. Don't like the Dodgers

00:26:36.380 from the old days. Right. So, yeah, I mean, honestly, but my point is they really don't think

00:26:41.340 about Canada the way that Canadians seem to be obsessed to an unhealthy degree with the United States.

00:26:47.660 Yeah, absolutely. Every day they wake up and that seems to be the number one thing in their

00:26:52.380 minds these days. I don't know that it was always, although I will tell you that when I came to Canada

00:26:57.420 in 1987, what struck me, and I told you this before, was the anti-Americanism

00:27:02.460 that was there. It kind of faded off for a long time and it's back again in spades and much worse

00:27:08.060 even than it was when I first came here. People are pretty open about their distaste for Americans.

00:27:13.740 And I don't actually, I'm not, I used to be just kind of gobsmacked by it, never said anything.

00:27:19.820 Now I just talk back. So I figure, what do I have to lose? I'm leaving anyway, right?

00:27:25.820 George Ann, thank you so much for coming on the show. I really do appreciate it.

00:27:29.340 It is my pleasure. Great to talk to you, Mark.

00:27:31.020 George Ann Burke. All right. That's it for this edition of Straight Up with Mark Bertronek.

00:27:36.860 Appreciate you tuning in. Let's do it again real soon, shall we? Bye-bye for now.

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