Juno News - January 28, 2025


Dr. Davidson on his pandemic report, Covid vax injuries & informed consent

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An independent report commissioned by the United Conservative Party Government on the government's pandemic response has finally been published. The author of the report is urging the government to implement several recommendations for future pandemics, including informed consent for patients who are going to be taking COVID-19 vaccines.

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00:00:00.000 An independent report commissioned by the United Conservative Party government on the government's pandemic response has finally been published.
00:00:08.360 The author of the report is urging the government to implement several recommendations for future pandemics,
00:00:14.640 including informed consent for patients who are going to be taking COVID-19 vaccines.
00:00:21.200 The author of the report, Dr. Gary Davidson, joins me now.
00:00:25.260 I'm Rachel Parker. Welcome to The Rachel Parker Show.
00:00:30.000 Hey, everyone. I'm Rachel Parker. Welcome back to The Rachel Parker Show.
00:00:47.200 As I said, I'm very excited about my guest today.
00:00:50.260 We are joined by Dr. Gary Davidson to break down his pandemic response report that all of you have been asking me about.
00:00:56.540 We'll head to him now.
00:00:57.440 Hi, Gary. So I want to start by asking you first and foremost, with this report, do you expect the province to actually accept any of your recommendations?
00:01:07.220 That is not up to me, but what I want them to do is to read the report, go through the recommendations, and see which ones they can incorporate into how we lead the province.
00:01:19.720 So that's all I can hope for, and which ones they do and which ones they don't will be up to them.
00:01:23.880 But yeah, obviously, they're the recommendations we put forward, and we think they're all good recommendations.
00:01:28.680 I'd like to see them all done, but yeah.
00:01:33.260 Do you feel like the province is taking the report seriously and wanting to publicize it as much as possible?
00:01:38.800 It certainly caught my attention that it was released late on a Friday afternoon.
00:01:43.300 Typically, the government releases things on a Friday afternoon that they want to bury, but what kind of reception has the report received from the government in your estimation?
00:01:50.100 We've talked to quite a few people in the government.
00:01:56.780 Obviously, the people that were helping us with this or asked us to do it, we've been in contact with them, and it's been, from what I see, well-received.
00:02:05.900 And as they go through it and digest it, I'm sure we'll get lots of questions on it, but from what I see, it's been well-received.
00:02:13.440 And yeah, I can't comment on when it was published.
00:02:17.260 That's way out of my wheelhouse, so.
00:02:21.000 You know, obviously, the report has been pretty roundly criticized by establishment media here in Canada,
00:02:26.840 specifically, you know, taking issue on the report's recommendation to and the COVID-19 vaccines.
00:02:32.940 Given everything that we know about the COVID-19 vaccines now, including that they were not used to stop transmission,
00:02:38.640 are you surprised to see the amount of pushback that the report is receiving?
00:02:45.900 I'm not really surprised.
00:02:48.120 I'm surprised that they're still doing this so far out at this point when, like you said,
00:02:53.900 it was never studied even to stop transmission and it's shown never to stop transmission.
00:03:00.340 So why they're still pushing that, I don't understand that, to be honest with you.
00:03:03.740 But it doesn't really surprise me.
00:03:06.240 I just wish that they would just have a good conversation about it rather than just publish their views and feelings and thoughts
00:03:14.580 rather than reading the report and talking to us about it.
00:03:18.040 One doctor whose name was included in the report, Dr. Conley, he's asked to have his name taken off the report.
00:03:24.600 He says he disagrees with the findings.
00:03:26.700 What's your response to that?
00:03:28.960 Well, that's fine.
00:03:29.600 We talked to many people when we were writing the report and we put it out to all of them that we gave them an opportunity to read the report
00:03:39.600 before we published it, before we attached their names to it.
00:03:45.100 And Dr. Conley just wasn't able to go through the report before and then his name was not supposed to be on there.
00:03:51.600 It accidentally was.
00:03:52.960 And as a final author, I take responsibility for that and apologize to him.
00:03:57.960 And so we have actually changed that and have a footnote on the biographies explaining that.
00:04:04.400 But we appreciated Dr. Conley's input.
00:04:07.280 He has lots of experience and had lots of wisdom to share with us.
00:04:11.960 And you'd like to understand that at the end, it just says that just because you're listed as an author doesn't mean you agree with everything in the report.
00:04:20.300 And that's what I would expect.
00:04:21.980 And so, yeah, I wanted everybody to have the opportunity to read it before they allowed us or asked us to attach to me.
00:04:29.120 And unfortunately, that was just a mix up and I apologize to him.
00:04:32.700 Obviously, this United Conservative Party government led by Danielle Smith, you know, they have taken actions to sort of assuage Albertans' concerns about the way that they were treated during the COVID-19 pandemic with, for example, the Alberta Bill of Rights.
00:04:48.300 Obviously, this pandemic report is another instance of the UCP government saying mistakes were made during COVID.
00:04:55.800 We want to understand what those were so we can better inform our actions in the future.
00:05:00.260 And so similar circumstances don't happen again.
00:05:03.860 We have the Bill of Rights now.
00:05:05.560 Do you feel like if the recommendations from this report, if none of them were made by the government,
00:05:10.740 do you think that the province would be in a place that, let's say, a similar pandemic-type situation would happen, you know, a few years or maybe a few decades down the road?
00:05:20.520 Do you believe that the government would handle it differently?
00:05:23.240 Or do you think in order to add those safeguards for Albertans,
00:05:28.100 recommendations from this report accepted by the government?
00:05:32.160 Right.
00:05:32.540 Well, that's what we believe because those are the recommendations we made.
00:05:35.140 So we'd like to see them carried out.
00:05:36.660 But in all honesty, the only way to not do it the same way we've done in the past, or rather, I should say, to do it better,
00:05:44.900 and we can always do it better, would be to have an open public discourse on the things that we bring up in the report.
00:05:50.720 And that's how you change things, not by making laws because laws can be changed, but you just have to inform the people.
00:05:58.520 And then that will dictate which governments are put in and which governments are taken out because the people will demand it.
00:06:04.340 And that's the best way.
00:06:06.060 The best protection against authoritarianism is that educated people that make wise decisions based on the best knowledge they have.
00:06:14.560 That's what we're trying to do here.
00:06:15.700 Just give everybody – I want everybody to read it and come to their own conclusions from it and read it well.
00:06:20.720 One of the recommendations in the report that really caught my attention, obviously, being in the media ecosystem,
00:06:27.320 is that you want media companies to disclose who their donors are, and certainly if, for example, they're receiving advertising revenue from Big Pharma.
00:06:36.320 Interesting that this comes up at a time, you know, with the federal conservatives sort of promising to pull funding for media outlets in Canada.
00:06:44.900 Now, that's at the federal level, but to me it seems like there might actually be a way to push this type of thing through
00:06:51.460 if we were to see a federal government, you know, in the election later this year.
00:06:56.000 Are you hoping that this is something that the report that the federal government will look at?
00:07:01.440 And, I mean, there was many of the things – I was in Ontario during the pandemic,
00:07:05.180 and there was many of the things that caught my attention is, oh, we saw this in Ontario as well.
00:07:08.600 So, you know, do you think that, like, that specific recommendation for media companies to have to disclose their donors,
00:07:16.960 are you hoping that maybe this is something the federal government will have eyes on?
00:07:21.180 Yeah, absolutely.
00:07:22.840 That's half of that recommendation, you know, disclose the donors.
00:07:26.720 The other half is to – when you're talking about medical issues like this, you have to cite your references.
00:07:34.500 You can't just say safe and effective.
00:07:36.620 You have to cite the research, the papers, the science behind what you're saying.
00:07:40.960 You can't just make statements because then people are misled or can be misled.
00:07:46.240 But if you have the citations behind it, you can have an improper citation.
00:07:50.060 That's fine.
00:07:50.920 But at least you can have a discussion about it at that point because then it's important.
00:07:55.200 But when it's just statements made, accusations and attacks personally, there's no way to even discuss that.
00:08:02.780 So that's what we really want.
00:08:04.080 So, yeah, disclose your donors, who's paying for what you're saying?
00:08:07.920 And then what's the science behind what you're saying when you're talking about scientific issues?
00:08:12.040 Because they're very important.
00:08:13.180 So that's our recommendation.
00:08:14.500 On page 38 of the report, you were talking about how the government continuously made decisions that actually went against, you know, their own procedures for what they would have in place.
00:08:26.920 I think we saw this all across North America.
00:08:29.500 There's procedures in place for how a health care system should respond in the case of a pandemic.
00:08:34.320 And in every single case, that evidence seemed to be roundly ignored in pursuit of things like contact tracing or locking people down.
00:08:42.780 And, you know, we talk so much about the impact of the COVID-19 vaccines.
00:08:46.220 That seems to be the lasting narrative of the COVID-19 pandemic.
00:08:49.760 And while I think that there's a place where that there was so much damage done by the lockdowns,
00:08:53.640 I remember reading reports of young children who were, you know, having suicidal ideation,
00:08:58.620 which I think should have revealed that it was a failed experiment from the get-go.
00:09:02.120 And I don't know if we talk about the lasting impacts of those lockdowns as much as we should,
00:09:07.280 because there were so many people who were still harmed from that.
00:09:09.900 And, you know, it really caught my attention when you said that the government ignored their own advice on how to deal with pandemics in favor of.
00:09:16.960 And you couldn't really, you know, you see that was one of the questions you left in the report.
00:09:20.660 And I have to ask you, you know, do you think that this was really a pandemic of social contagion?
00:09:24.660 That there was things being pushed by other countries and the World Health Organization
00:09:29.300 and governments around the world sort of hopped on that bandwagon?
00:09:34.300 It sure appeared that there was outside influences, and we comment on that.
00:09:38.200 I noticed yesterday that the United States just cut all ties between the CDC and the WHO
00:09:43.960 because they felt as well that there was outside influence from the WHO
00:09:48.400 that didn't have their population's best interest at heart.
00:09:51.880 As a data review, we haven't done a full inquiry,
00:09:55.100 but a full inquiry would show whether that was truly the case.
00:09:57.600 But that's what it appears to be, that there's outside influence.
00:10:00.700 If you looked around the world, you looked around the province,
00:10:03.000 you looked around all these jurisdictions, and the same message was every day.
00:10:06.500 That couldn't have been organic from Alberta.
00:10:09.080 We had a great pandemic response plan in place.
00:10:12.420 Lieutenant Colonel David Redmond was a huge part of writing that.
00:10:15.860 It was well done.
00:10:16.600 It was well balanced.
00:10:17.700 It looked at every aspect of our province.
00:10:21.560 It just wasn't health.
00:10:23.660 And, yeah, it was just discarded for this what appeared to be a WHO-derived system
00:10:29.760 that was in place in so many jurisdictions that didn't come from here.
00:10:34.520 And, yeah, I don't fully understand why that happened.
00:10:38.340 And, again, that would be for inquiry because we did a data review, and that's what the data shows.
00:10:44.220 And I think if we want to protect ourselves, we have to look and see how that happened
00:10:49.740 and then put safeguards for the people of Alberta to make sure that we have the best response
00:10:55.080 for the people that live here in Alberta.
00:10:56.820 And what is your recommendation for the province of Alberta's relationship with the World Health Organization?
00:11:06.220 In the report, we said that things need to be done in Alberta based on Alberta for the best of the people of Alberta.
00:11:13.740 I'm not sure if the WHO has recommendations that we can take and apply, and they work very well here.
00:11:20.200 That's wonderful.
00:11:21.100 But to have them dictating what we do, our recommendation is not to have outside of things like that.
00:11:27.040 I want to get back to the COVID-19 vaccines a little bit because, as I've mentioned,
00:11:31.280 this seems to be sort of the hot-button topic.
00:11:33.860 It's certainly, when I talk to people, the one that comes up again as one of the largest concerns.
00:11:38.200 Given the pushback that the report has received for telling the province to end the use of COVID-19 vaccines,
00:11:46.360 how likely do you think it is that that recommendation would be accepted?
00:11:52.900 Well, our recommendations are to do what we said in there.
00:11:56.820 We actually don't call for the halt or the banning of the vaccines.
00:12:00.040 What we call for is complete informed consent.
00:12:02.220 We cited a study that was done in the Nordic countries, so Denmark, Sweden, and Norway,
00:12:07.160 in which there was over 2 million people as part of the study that showed that the risk-benefit analysis
00:12:12.340 doesn't show that this vaccine should be given to somebody under 50 unless they have a medical reason for getting it.
00:12:18.520 And that has to be discussed with a doctor with full disclosure of all harms and benefits.
00:12:22.800 That was never done.
00:12:24.120 So we're actually not recommending a ban of it.
00:12:26.240 We're recommending that.
00:12:27.260 We're recommending that if you're in a certain risk category, a very low risk category,
00:12:32.980 then the benefit doesn't appear to be enough to overcome the possible risks.
00:12:39.100 And they're very clearly laid out in the report and cited in that study effort one, but many others.
00:12:44.320 So we, but just a blanket recommending everybody over six months old get them doesn't play out in the numbers.
00:12:55.220 So that's what our recommendations are.
00:12:57.060 And we sure hope the province does that, but that's up to them.
00:13:00.680 And so in the case of, let's say I had a six-month-old baby and I went in for my routine vaccinations
00:13:05.840 and the doctor said, okay, well, and so in that case, would I have to specifically ask for the COVID-19 vaccine?
00:13:12.880 And then the doctor would have the opportunity to say, well, it's not really needed for your baby and here's why.
00:13:18.260 Is that what that conversation would, how that conversation would play out?
00:13:21.980 Yeah, that, that would be something that would have to be worked out how exactly.
00:13:25.640 But right now, you know, when you go to your family doc with your young child and they'll often ask,
00:13:31.600 you know, so when was your last vaccination and where are you at? And I'm a physician myself.
00:13:36.820 I've had this question many times and some parents will say, well, this is where we are.
00:13:40.740 We're on schedule. And some parents will say, well, we'll wait a little while.
00:13:43.300 Or some parents say, we don't want to do it. And I, what I think the best thing to have,
00:13:48.080 what I have where I work, when people ask what drugs that I think the risk benefit ratio isn't really in their best interest,
00:13:56.060 I direct them to the websites that talk about it. I give them handouts. I say, I want you to read this.
00:14:01.000 If you want this, if you feel it's best for you, I want you to understand the risk and benefit
00:14:05.580 and make sure in your mind, you're okay with that. But I have to give them full informed consent.
00:14:11.320 But you can't have informed consent if you don't know the risks yourself.
00:14:14.620 So we need to educate the physicians. We need to give them material to go over.
00:14:18.100 We need to show them what the studies show. And then they can help people make informed decisions.
00:14:23.880 And yeah, that's what we're hoping for. And that's our recommendation.
00:14:27.060 In that scenario where you're saying, you know, we're going to let you know the risks and the benefits,
00:14:34.620 what would you as a doctor list as the risks of the vaccine?
00:14:39.040 Well, number one, for a child under 18, Pfizer's own data shows a risk of one child under 18 dying is one in a million.
00:14:47.440 The risk of having a bad outcome to the vaccines, unfortunately, is a vague number.
00:14:53.160 We have to derive from all sorts of places, but in the research or in the report,
00:14:57.800 you'll see that we have even the V-safe data. V-safe comes from CDC.
00:15:01.600 They got 10,000 people to volunteer to document all of their symptoms after they got the shot.
00:15:07.980 Now, 7.7% of them, this is the United States and this is the CDC,
00:15:12.560 showed that 7.7% needed medical attention of various kinds after they got the vaccine.
00:15:19.620 Well, that's pretty severe. If one in a million have a risk of a bad outcome,
00:15:24.260 which was theoretical because none of them died. So it's just a number they theoretically made.
00:15:29.140 But we, I've seen many people, young adults, young males, sorry, especially end up with myocarditis
00:15:36.740 that ends their high-level sports career, that makes it so they can't do certain things.
00:15:41.600 That just doesn't add up in the risk-benefit ratio to me.
00:15:45.520 So that would be what I would present. I would present the numbers from places like that.
00:15:49.740 The CDC, the FDA, we got Pfizer's own surveillance data. We got lots of surveillance data.
00:15:54.720 We got lots of studies, you know, and we have a study in there showing the number of young males
00:16:01.580 that had subclinical, but evidence of myocarditis from testing shown that they had it,
00:16:09.260 but they didn't even know they had it. It's a significant number. And we know that if you
00:16:14.380 have myocarditis and that you exercise or strain your heart, you can cause some severe damage.
00:16:20.200 And if it's subclinical, you don't know you have it. And so you don't know that you
00:16:24.120 shouldn't be exercising strenuously when you have this. So it's, there's lots of these things.
00:16:30.140 You know, we just have to share that with people and they can make an informed decision.
00:16:33.900 And that's, that's what we would like to happen. But yeah, those are the things that I just think
00:16:39.200 that it should be something that we need to put together and give to doctors in Alberta that they
00:16:43.060 can share with their patients.
00:16:45.260 And how are you recommending that the province of Alberta support individuals who receive the
00:16:50.680 vaccine and have been vaccine injured?
00:16:52.560 Well, one of the things that I've brought up a number of times when we were doing this report,
00:16:59.420 it'd be really interesting to know if these numbers we see in other jurisdictions, other
00:17:04.780 studies play out in Alberta. So going by that ratio, 7.7% off the CDC zone data, that would
00:17:12.020 be about 150,000 Albertans have been injured of all, you know, degrees. I think the best way to find
00:17:19.740 out would be to ask the people and you know, how do you do that? Do you have a call center
00:17:25.100 or a website? Like if you think you've been injured, please let us know. And then we have
00:17:29.540 to compile that. And then we have to go through that. And we have to interview these people
00:17:32.880 and see if that's true. There'd be some work. And then if that plays out, if it's the same
00:17:38.680 as other jurisdictions, then that would be part of what we would share with the patients in Alberta.
00:17:43.480 And how do we support the people who've been injured? Do however they need to be, you know,
00:17:48.580 if they have done something, been coerced, if you can use that word to do something against their
00:17:56.240 will, and it injured them, then I think that we have to be responsible for that. But it'd be
00:18:01.300 interesting to know what that looks like. First of all, the federal government has sort of their
00:18:07.040 vaccine injury program and reports that have been written about that program show that most of the
00:18:12.340 people who believe that they have been vaccine injured and have applied through this program for
00:18:16.860 compensation. Those claims have been rejected. Are you familiar with that federal program? And if so,
00:18:21.420 do you have confidence in it? No, no. It's unfortunate. I can't comment on it too much. We do talk about
00:18:35.040 these things in the report to some degree. But we tried to stay inside of the province as much as we
00:18:40.920 could. But yes, we understand that that's there. As a physician, I saw what was potentially vaccine
00:18:48.120 injury many times. And, and I had colleagues that reported them. And then the report, the patients
00:18:57.640 were actually phoned by the program and told that no, this didn't qualify as a vaccine injury and took
00:19:02.760 them off the list. I'm not sure how somebody who's never met the patient could possibly override the doctor
00:19:07.880 who's actually met the patient, interviewed them and went over their symptoms. And as a physician
00:19:11.400 thought this possibly could, I can, I can't say for sure, but that's where we have to compile it.
00:19:17.720 And then we can look at it and, and, and then draw conclusions. We can't do it from one patient
00:19:23.080 or one incident or one symptom. So it, but it has to be done. And unfortunately, I don't have much
00:19:28.840 confidence in it. So you would, you know, be open to seeing something similar in Alberta, but where,
00:19:35.920 you know, the people who are saying, I believe I've been vaccine injured are being met by doctors
00:19:40.480 and examined. And then, you know, they're given the opportunity to say, this is how the government
00:19:46.560 can support me following my vaccine injury. Right. We have, you know, in, in Alberta, we have WCB.
00:19:55.200 If you feel you've been injured at work, you put in a report, the physician examines you, you go see
00:20:00.080 the physician at WCB, the WCB physician examines you, and they come to a conclusion whether you've been
00:20:04.960 injured at work or not. We already have the model how to do this. So it'd be something similar in my
00:20:11.360 mind, that's similar to how to be. These are recommendations we made and how the government
00:20:14.720 does them is up to the government. You say, you know, we already have a model
00:20:18.960 for how this works. Now I've never been injured by medication or say at the hospital after having
00:20:25.360 undergone a surgery, but say I had been, it's my understanding that it would be a process.
00:20:30.320 Maybe you would have to hire a lawyer. But if you were, you know, if there had been malpractice
00:20:35.120 during a surgery, you would be eligible for compensation. I feel like that's something that
00:20:38.800 is fairly understood. You know, as I said, you might have to hire a lawyer. I don't know that
00:20:42.720 the hospital would just be offering up money. But, you know, in this case of COVID-19, the COVID-19
00:20:47.920 vaccine, it seems that the people who have been harmed by the vaccine are having a much harder time
00:20:54.000 accessing compensation for a vaccine that, as you said, in many cases were coerced to take.
00:21:00.240 Is this fairly common with all vaccine injuries? Or would you say that it has been especially
00:21:06.880 prominent in regards to the COVID-19 vaccine? Well, there's been so much pushback
00:21:14.480 in the public discourse that this is even possible. We have leadership in Canada for physicians that
00:21:23.920 state publicly that they don't think there's ever been any vaccine injuries from the COVID vaccines.
00:21:29.360 I'm not sure how you can even say that. I don't know if there's a medical procedure in the world
00:21:32.720 that doesn't have a risk of a poor outcome. So we just have to understand that. So we can't make
00:21:37.200 statements like that. But I don't understand the pushback rather than to explore it and to
00:21:44.240 figure out if it's real or not. That's what a scientist does. We don't make statements. We
00:21:50.240 examine, we experiment, and we prove or disprove. That's our job. So, yeah.
00:21:56.240 One of the impacts of the COVID-19 pandemic is that people are taking a closer look at vaccines as a
00:22:02.640 whole, not just the COVID-19 vaccine. They're taking a closer look at the vaccine schedule and they're
00:22:06.480 saying, there's an awful lot of vaccines in here that the health system wants me to put into
00:22:11.520 my small and healthy children and babies. And, you know, people are questioning whether this is
00:22:16.320 legitimate. Do you think that that might be a positive outcome of the COVID-19 pandemic that
00:22:22.240 people are really saying, you know, I don't know that I trust my health care system and it's incumbent
00:22:26.320 on me to really understand what I'm putting into my body rather than trusting someone blindly?
00:22:33.760 Well, I think that's the way to do all medical treatment or, you know, interventions of any kind.
00:22:40.480 People need to have informed consent. That's what we're talking about. But they're really having a hard
00:22:44.320 time finding the information. So we need to really make sure we're good at putting it out there.
00:22:49.440 I think some of the side effects of this, now there's people that I talk to that don't trust
00:22:54.080 the medical system at all and afraid to take their children to the hospital or the doctor
00:22:58.080 or do anything to take simple antibiotics when the child needs it. It's just that really concerns me.
00:23:03.680 And so I think we really, really have to counter this, but that public distrust from what I see,
00:23:09.520 and I don't go recruiting for it. And most of my patients have no idea I did this report,
00:23:14.800 but they just, they have no trust and it's, it has to be repaired. And I think in full informed
00:23:20.880 consent is a way to do it, not hiding. So that's what we hope happens. Yeah.
00:23:26.560 So, you know, we've obviously talked about informed consent and COVID-19 vaccines, but you're saying
00:23:31.200 it actually needs to be improved all across the board, whether it's a simple medication that you're
00:23:34.880 taking or whether it's just the routine immunization schedule. Parents need a lot more simple
00:23:39.920 information given to them every single time they accept a vaccine for their child or for themselves.
00:23:45.600 Absolutely. Informed consent. That's the foundation of medicine. It has to be,
00:23:50.400 we cannot take that away and give it to a manufacturer's monograph who's trying to, you know,
00:23:55.600 market a product. We don't base any other decision in life, I hope, just on the manufacturer's
00:24:01.760 advertising. We do it on proper research, especially when it's, you know, so important as your child's
00:24:06.320 health or your own health or loved one's health. It's, it has to be done with full informed consent.
00:24:11.440 And that's done in a scientific manner. Just the last question that I have for you,
00:24:16.800 I know I said, uh, I would keep it pretty brief today, but you know, I've been online over the
00:24:22.320 week and listening to a number of X spaces of people discussing your report. And there's a number
00:24:26.720 of Albertans who would like to see criminal prosecutions for some of the people involved in making
00:24:31.600 the decisions over the COVID-19 pandemic. Uh, is this something that you considered at
00:24:36.320 all in the breadth of your report? So regarding, uh, criminal prosecution,
00:24:42.080 we did a data review and in a data review, we look at the data used and, uh, we're not pointing
00:24:48.800 fingers or assigning blame. So that would not be in our report whatsoever. That would be something
00:24:54.960 entirely different. That would be asked for by the government, but not what we did.
00:24:59.200 Gary, thanks so much for joining us today. No, not a problem. All right, everyone. That's all we have
00:25:03.680 time for today. I hope that you guys enjoyed today's episode. Let me know what you think about
00:25:09.520 the report's recommendations and which one was your favorite. I'll be back tomorrow with
00:25:14.240 more content for you all. Have a great day and God bless.