Juno News - Election INTERFERENCE from Canada’s Deep State

00:00:00.000 Hi, I'm Candice Malcolm and this is The Candice Malcolm Show. We have a great episode for you

00:00:06.760 today. Thank you so much for tuning in. Don't forget to like this video, share it, leave it

00:00:11.140 a comment and subscribe. So I am joined today for the entire episode by a podcaster, one of my

00:00:17.720 favorite podcasters in Canada. His name is Josh Udall. So Josh is an entrepreneur based in Halifax

00:00:23.380 and he co-hosts the Elevate podcast discussing business, marketing and politics. Josh, thank you

00:00:28.940 so much for joining the show. Thank you so much for having me. I'm grateful to be here.

00:00:32.740 Well, I love your podcast and it's great to get to know you. I've never had you on the show before,

00:00:37.280 so I'm looking forward to our conversation. Likewise. I'm very excited to see what the magic

00:00:42.240 can make happen today. Okay, so this is the big story. This is the sort of the thing that was all

00:00:49.260 over social media this morning, breaking news from the Globe and Mail front page story that CSIS

00:00:54.460 alleges that India organized support for Pierre Polyev's 2022 conservative leadership bid. And I

00:01:03.280 have a lot of issues with this news article. I have a lot of issues right down to the headline.

00:01:08.120 So I am going to walk the audience through this story and then I'm going to get you to comment and

00:01:14.220 react, Josh. Okay, so let's just start off with this headline that CSIS alleges that there was

00:01:20.700 organized support. Let me just say, let me just clarify, CSIS does not allege this. The story is

00:01:26.040 based on an unnamed official within CSIS that leaked this story to the Globe and Mail. They decided to

00:01:32.040 leak it in the middle of an election campaign, right? And they are making this allegation. So this is not

00:01:36.720 coming from the head of CSIS. This isn't a press conference or a report that has been put out by the

00:01:42.480 government. This is, in my opinion, election interference. They held this story. This is a report from

00:01:47.480 2022. They held it until a campaign, until the election was underway. They want to derail the

00:01:53.820 conservatives. They want to derail Pierre Polyev, make him look illegitimate, make him look like

00:01:59.180 somehow there's something nefarious going on with his leadership of the party. It is all a deflection

00:02:04.380 away from Mark Carney, away from what just happened, the total mess and ridiculousness of the liberal

00:02:10.900 race, where they had 400 members, only 150 voted, 150,000 voted, where they disqualified two major

00:02:17.740 candidates because they didn't want Mark Carney to be challenged in any meaningful way, right? And so all

00:02:23.360 of that is happening. And then this story drops from the Globe and Mail. She's having the Globe and Mail for

00:02:27.500 even printing this stuff and being involved in it. So just allow me to go through the story because

00:02:33.420 it is really something. Okay. So here's how the story reads. Agents of India and their proxies

00:02:41.200 allegedly meddled in the 2022 election of Pierre Polyev as conservative leader, as part of a larger

00:02:47.340 effort to cozy up to politicians of all parties, according to a source with top secret clearance.

00:02:54.280 The source said that the Canadian Security Intelligence Service, CSIS, learned that Indian agents were involved

00:02:59.840 in raising money and organizing within the South Asian community for Mr. Polyev during a leadership

00:03:04.900 race, which he won handily. But the CSIS assessment did not indicate that this effort was done in a

00:03:10.740 sweeping and highly organized way, said the source. Mr. Polyev won on the first ballot with 68%.

00:03:16.620 Okay. So first of all, they admit right here that it didn't really have an impact. Pierre Polyev won

00:03:23.140 with a sweeping majority. We all know that Pierre Polyev is very popular within the conservative party.

00:03:28.720 And even though there were other, you know, high profile candidates, namely Jean Charest,

00:03:34.280 Leslie Lewis, Roman Babber, there were other people that were, you know, and Patrick Brown,

00:03:39.500 who's the mayor of Mississauga, or sorry, of Brampton, you know, other high profile leaders,

00:03:44.160 but Pierre is so popular within the party, he won handily. And here that they're saying that the

00:03:48.900 CSIS assessment did not indicate that the effort was done in a sweeping way. So it sort of seems like

00:03:53.420 random one-off things. Let me just continue reading. It says,

00:03:56.320 CSIS also did not have evidence that Mr. Polyev or members of the inner circle were aware of the

00:04:02.740 alleged actions of India's agents and their proxies, said the source, who has national

00:04:07.520 security clearance to see top secret reports. The Globe and Mail is not identifying the source

00:04:12.600 because they were not authorized to disclose classified information publicly. Okay. So you have

00:04:18.480 a whistleblower, allegedly, giving top secret information to the Globe and Mail in the middle

00:04:25.320 of an election. It says that this person has top secret clearance. So they're sharing secret

00:04:30.800 information from the government, sharing it with the Globe and Mail, which I believe is a crime,

00:04:35.900 or at least it should be, doing it in the campaign, and making it seem like Pierre Polyev did something

00:04:41.720 wrong, even though in the article itself, it admits that he didn't do anything wrong. He didn't know about

00:04:45.900 it. His team didn't know about it, and it didn't have an impact. So the big question out of this

00:04:50.720 story is why is it a story? Why did the Globe and Mail put this on the cover of their newspaper? Why

00:04:56.700 are they trying to push this as an election issue? Is there something wrong with Pierre Polyev's

00:05:01.740 leadership? Is it illegitimate in any way? No, of course not. But this is what the media does.

00:05:07.160 They whip up the narrative. They don't want to talk about Mark Carney. They don't want to talk about

00:05:11.400 his record or the liberal record and what it's done to Canada. They don't want to ask tough questions

00:05:16.420 of the prime minister. And instead, they go after the leader of the opposition for something that's

00:05:22.420 completely irrelevant. And in my mind, it's nothing. Look, it is a problem that there are Indian agents 1.00

00:05:27.520 that are acting in the South Asian community and doing this kind of thing. That is a problem. But it's 1.00

00:05:32.340 the government's problem. It is Trudeau's government. And now Mark Carney's government.

00:05:36.280 It's their job to crack down on that, not Pierre Polyev, who even as a report admits,

00:05:42.780 didn't even know about it. So, Josh, what do you make of the story and what do you make

00:05:47.240 of my interpretation of it? I think it's accurate from what you read there.

00:05:52.980 And really what's going to happen here is what they're feasting their eyes on right now is the

00:05:56.680 headline readers who are only really going to be doing that in this election. Right now, we have a

00:06:00.300 very short election. And what's going to happen, I've said this on my show, is things are going to be

00:06:05.220 pumped like crazy, like drinking information out of a firehouse. So people really aren't going to

00:06:09.220 have time to look at the article as you just did here. They're going to headline read. And the

00:06:13.140 narrative is going to be crafted that there goes Polyev again and a security clearance not getting 0.81

00:06:18.520 it. Look how irresponsible he is. And that's how exactly how this is going to go. And that's the

00:06:23.200 narrative that they're purposely trying to create through this. The only question I have is if it had

00:06:28.440 such a big impact, I'm wondering, Candace, do you hear anything about the Indian police stations that have

00:06:34.680 taken place in this country? Oh, no, no. Oh, sorry. That's China. My bad. That was China. Oh, 1.00

00:06:39.620 my bad. Yes. The country that has benefited the liberal party consistently, including Parm Baines

00:06:44.140 out in B.C. and who invited Mark Carney out that had Chinese paid for media in the audience. Yes.

00:06:50.400 We don't want to talk about that, though. It's going to be about the security clearance for

00:06:53.620 Pierre Polyev. No, that's exactly what this is. And they're trying to keep the attention off them and

00:06:57.380 how they've benefited from actual election interference that has really inundated that party to this

00:07:02.820 point. Well, it is so true. We had Sam Cooper, the investigative journalist, on the show two weeks

00:07:06.840 ago, and he had photographic evidence of Justin Trudeau meeting with basically Chinese gangsters who

00:07:13.240 were the kingpins in the drug and fentanyl wars. And he has photos of them, Justin Trudeau, attending

00:07:19.500 high-priced, high-dollar fundraisers with them. So we know that this has happened. The Hogue report came

00:07:25.820 out and it didn't blow the whistle on what we thought it would. It didn't really deliver much.

00:07:30.600 But now, again, bringing it up in the middle of an election campaign and trying to flip

00:07:34.100 it to say, oh, no, it's not about the Chinese and the liberals. It's really about India and

00:07:39.840 the conservatives. And I'm glad you brought up that security clearance thing, because this

00:07:44.220 is sort of a favorite issue of Mark Carney. He loves to talk about this fact that Pierre

00:07:49.300 Polyev doesn't have his security clearance. So while I'm at it, while we're talking about

00:07:54.120 this ridiculous Global Mail story, let's throw in this claim that Pierre Polyev hasn't

00:07:59.480 bothered to get his security clearance. Here is a clip of Mark Carney saying this exact

00:08:04.880 thing. Pierre Polyev hasn't ever bothered to get his security clearance. I've already,

00:08:13.480 during this leadership campaign, filled out my forms. It wasn't that hard to do, I have

00:08:17.500 to say, and put them in. I fully expect to get it in the near future.

00:08:21.360 Okay, so he's saying, at that point, he wasn't even the prime minister. He was running for

00:08:27.300 liberal leader, and yet he was already able to submit his forms. I don't know how he was

00:08:30.540 able to do that. He's not even a sitting member of parliament, but we'll move on from that.

00:08:34.780 And he said it again. When he was in London, England, the weekend he became prime minister.

00:08:38.680 He was speaking to press, and he mentioned the same thing. Let's play that clip.

00:08:43.840 That the leader of the opposition cannot find it. And look, you look at the questions this

00:08:50.020 evening, you look at the nature of the discussions. Look at the nature of discussions I had with the

00:08:55.720 president of France, the prime minister of the United Kingdom. The leader of the opposition would

00:09:00.640 not be capable of having those discussions, because the leader of opposition refuses to get

00:09:05.760 his security clearance, something that it took me a few weeks to get.

00:09:09.980 So, again, he's mentioning that it took him a few weeks to get. He had just become prime

00:09:16.440 minister at that point. So, clearly, he got his security clearance before he was even prime

00:09:21.000 minister, which is a little odd. But anyway, I want to address this idea that Pierre Polly hasn't

00:09:26.740 gotten his security clearance. Well, I don't even have to, because Carson Germain of the National

00:09:30.520 Post wrote an article about it. This is what the headline says. Mark Carney, the conspiracy theory

00:09:36.220 prime minister, liberal leader spreads baseless allegation against Pierre Polly. This was March

00:09:42.080 10th, 2025. So, let me just read from it. It is true that Polly has declined to receive a security

00:09:47.800 briefing, which would require passing a clearance. But it has nothing to do with Donald Trump, as

00:09:52.380 Carney seems to suggest. It is in relation to Chinese interference in Canadian elections,

00:09:57.200 a reality that current prime minister Justin Trudeau spent months dismissing as a non-problem,

00:10:01.480 despite the fact that there is evidence such interference was done to benefit the liberal

00:10:06.380 party. He goes on, when the scope of Chinese meddling in elections became widely reported in

00:10:11.340 late 2022 and early 23, Polly have said he would decline security briefings that would detail top

00:10:17.580 secret intelligence reports. But the reasoning was hardly nefarious. It was because receiving such

00:10:23.080 briefings would have circumscribed what Polly have could say about Chinese interference, a point which

00:10:30.020 everyone agrees. As a leader of the opposition, Polly have believed reasonably, I would say, that any

00:10:35.260 briefing offered would be used as a way for the government to get him to stop criticizing it over

00:10:41.320 lacks its lax attitude to election security. So, basically, just to sum that all up, Pierre Polly doesn't

00:10:48.960 want to get the security briefings, because if he did, it would limit what he can say publicly, just like

00:10:54.240 that leaker to the Globe and Mail did so against their security briefings, right? You swear an oath, you get the

00:11:00.540 security briefings, you get the security clearance, and you're not supposed to leak it to the media. Whoever did

00:11:05.420 that didn't put their name out there because they're breaking the rules. But Pierre Polly is saying, if they

00:11:10.580 brief me, then I won't be able to talk about it anymore. And I don't want that. The role of the opposition is to hold the

00:11:16.040 prime minister to account to criticize them. And you want me to get these briefings to shut me up, basically. And it's not just me

00:11:22.820 that's saying that it's not just the National Post. Thomas Mulcair, the former leader of the opposition, with the

00:11:28.060 NDP, the left-wing party, he was on CTV last summer in June, saying that he agrees with Pollyev, and that

00:11:35.440 Pollyev is doing the right thing. Let's play that clip. 1.00

00:11:38.980 I agree completely with the call by Pierre Poyliet. I think that Poyliet was wise not to tie his own hands. He is the

00:11:45.760 leader of the official opposition. I have once, you know, occupied that role for several years as leader of the

00:11:51.320 opposition. I would never want to be hamstrung because I looked at a government document. I would

00:11:57.760 never want to be told that I can't ask all the questions I want of the government. And I think

00:12:02.480 that on this, Poyliet is completely right.

00:12:06.660 Pollyev is completely right. So what do you make of it all, Josh?

00:12:09.940 Well, you know, surprise, surprise, of course he's right. It's because if you look at the details of

00:12:15.000 what's happening, he isn't doing anything wrong. And also to add to the point there is he only gets to

00:12:19.960 see what the government chooses that he gets to see anyway. So what is the benefit of doing it?

00:12:24.480 And I love that Montclair was able to be bipartisan enough to realize that this really is a nothing

00:12:29.400 burger. But then just shows as we go into this election, right, this is going to be one of the

00:12:34.500 greasiest elections that we'll have ever seen because there's so much at stake. There really is.

00:12:40.540 Literally the heart of Canada is at stake. Are we going to be giving up to China? Are we going to be 0.99

00:12:44.740 taken over by the United States? Or are we actually going to stand around two feet and fight for our

00:12:47.660 country? Those are the questions that are being asked in this election. And Canadians know it right

00:12:52.120 now. So I think right now what liberals are trying to do is, again, just smoke screen, delay, dip,

00:12:59.820 dodge, and making sure that they are not held to account to what their record's been in the last

00:13:03.660 10 years, no matter what the face has been on it. So they're just, you know, they're on the attack.

00:13:07.300 This is the offensive. This is what politics has come to in this country. You can hate it. You can love

00:13:12.280 it. Reality is it's the reality. So you can work with it.

00:13:15.520 And this is why I call it the deep state though, because like, why is CSIS involved in the liberal

00:13:20.180 campaign? Why is the Globe and Mail going along with it? Right? Like, obviously this is Mark Carney's

00:13:25.060 favorite talking point. Go after Pierre Polyev, say for some reason he won't get his security

00:13:29.040 clearance. The National Post calls it a conspiracy theory because there's no base, there's no basis

00:13:33.460 in it so that they get a CSIS official and the Globe and Mail to help them orchestrate this as a

00:13:38.820 campaign issue. Look, it's a short election. I think it's only 38 days and every single day

00:13:44.600 matters. And what, you know, precious real estate on the front cover of the Globe and Mail or what,

00:13:51.820 you know, people in the country are talking about, again, rather than talking about Mark Carney,

00:13:56.760 rather than talking about the housing crisis, out of control, immigration, cost of living crisis,

00:14:01.480 out of control, crime, out of control, drug use. Rather than talking about any of the important

00:14:05.480 issues in the country, they've managed to orchestrate, you know, this is like wagging the

00:14:10.360 dog, right? Get a CSIS official to link this to the Globe and Mail, get the Globe and Mail to put

00:14:15.200 it on the front cover. Everybody will be talking about it. I guarantee wherever Pierre Polyev goes

00:14:19.380 today, he will be asked about this and they'll turn it into a scandal, right? Rather than talking

00:14:24.000 about the issues that matter, we're talking about a made up scandal, basically, that the National

00:14:28.200 Post has called a conspiracy theory, all to play into the hands of Mark Carney. And so I've made this

00:14:33.680 criticism so many times in the past, but this is what happens during an election campaign.

00:14:38.180 The media is bought and paid for by the Liberal Party. And the Liberal Party gives the orders and

00:14:44.980 the legacy media goes along with it. Whatever the liberals decide are going to be the talking points

00:14:50.200 of the day. This is the message event of the day. This is what we're going to be talking about today.

00:14:53.980 We're going to spend day three of the campaign talking about how somehow Pierre Polyev is involved

00:14:59.260 in foreign interference scandals and not the liberals. Don't pay attention to the liberals.

00:15:03.240 Just pay attention to the conservatives. And they all go along with it. It's so frustrating.

00:15:07.820 Yeah, that's exactly it. You called it out for what it is. And it is scummy, if I'm being honest,

00:15:13.980 to see that this has randomly came out at this point in time. And as you said, it has been more

00:15:19.380 of a nothing burger and hasn't really informed us of really anything that's of consequence.

00:15:23.260 So why bring it up? Why bring it up now? And if there isn't some insider work that's

00:15:28.700 happening at this current time. And this is why people are getting upset at the current

00:15:33.940 establishment and the current way things operate is because they see the dirty games that are being

00:15:38.240 played. And it will continue. And it's about it's going to be on Polyev at this point to see how he's

00:15:43.080 going to react to it. Are you going to fall for the trap? Or are you going to be like, yeah, nice.

00:15:48.960 Answer that with this. Boom. Get out of my face. Now I'm going to talk about real policies that are

00:15:52.660 going to help Canadians. I think that's going to be the big thing he's going to have to do today.

00:15:55.120 Because you said you call it out perfectly there, Candace. This will be the number one thing he

00:15:59.120 gets brought up with today. And it's going to be on him to be the seasoned political official that

00:16:05.040 he is to get around it, focus how to fight through it and get the real information that people care

00:16:10.740 about in this country to Canadians. Well, I hope he does. OK, let's talk about Mark Carney and what

00:16:15.760 he has been doing out on the campaign trail. This has kind of become a little mini scandal,

00:16:19.920 this idea that he is refusing to go on TVA, the French language debate face to face. And

00:16:27.980 he originally said that he was going to do it. And then suddenly he says that he is not

00:16:32.020 doing it. So at a campaign stop out in Gander, Newfoundland, Mark Carney said he would accept

00:16:37.200 Pierre Polyev's challenge to go on TVA's debate. Let's play that clip.

00:16:41.460 Bonjour, Monsieur Carney, c'est Fanny Olivier de Radio-Canada. Le chef conservateur Pierre

00:16:47.520 Poilièvre vous met au défi de participer au face-à-face de TVA. Est-ce que vous allez

00:16:52.460 le faire?

00:16:53.460 Pourquoi pas.

00:16:54.460 Pourquoi pas?

00:16:55.460 Oui, pourquoi pas, oui.

00:16:57.460 So he says we, like, of course I will. But then despite saying that he would, this is reported

00:17:04.240 in the Toronto Sun, Carney now says that he won't take part in the TVA debate and that

00:17:11.400 the top liberals face scrutiny for his French skills, particularly during the liberal leadership

00:17:16.120 race. There are some people online saying that it's something about how they were charging

00:17:20.740 the campaign and they were charging people $75,000 to do this campaign. And that's, that's

00:17:27.680 the real reason because somehow the liberals are now morally opposed to giving media money,

00:17:33.520 even though they fund all the newspapers and they fund the CBC. But this is a line too far

00:17:38.060 and they're not willing to pay to be part of this debate. What do you think, Josh?

00:17:41.660 Well, don't worry about it, liberals. I know you're broke. It's okay. But, you know, Paul,

00:17:45.680 you have extended an olive branch about 20 minutes ago saying, don't worry, liberals.

00:17:49.920 I'll cover it for you. The conservative party will cover the fee. Just come to the table and

00:17:54.040 have a conversation. But no, the real conversation, the reality is Mark Carney doesn't want to debate

00:17:59.180 in French. And I do, I think you're gonna have to correct me on this because this is where it's

00:18:03.540 been a little confusing. I know he's agreed to the opposite of the English language debate and he

00:18:07.920 has agreed to a French language debate. TVA, I believe was the additional, it was like almost

00:18:12.300 a third debate, a second. And I think that's something we just need to clear up there where this

00:18:16.760 isn't him trying to avoid a French language debate. This is him avoiding trying to get

00:18:21.800 wrecked again in a second French language debate. That's right.

00:18:24.880 Well, yeah, because he knows he would. I was talking to a friend who has a grandfather who

00:18:30.740 lives in Quebec. And she was asking him, who's a staunch liberal his whole life, and asked him,

00:18:36.880 what were your thoughts on Mark Carney's French? And he said, good luck in Quebec.

00:18:40.760 That's all he said. And that's kind of what we're going to be seeing here is this is again,

00:18:45.320 a play to making sure that they minimize the amount of stage time he has with Polyev,

00:18:50.960 especially in French, because Polyev from Alberta, I'm not a Francophone, but I've heard enough people

00:18:57.220 from Quebec speak French and his nuances, his cadence, how he does that, you know, starts to speak,

00:19:04.200 like he's got a down pat. You would think he's a Francophone. The way he talks is actually

00:19:07.760 kind of impressive. And that almost freaks me out in some ways. But that is what they're trying to

00:19:12.520 avoid at this point. So we'll see what is happening. But this is all straight up just

00:19:18.340 theater. And now they're going to be caught up in this now because like, is it the $75,000? Well,

00:19:23.720 that's been taken care of now. What's it? What's the real issue now?

00:19:27.000 Right? Yeah. And thanks for clarifying that. So he will do the CBC Radio Canada French debate.

00:19:31.880 But this is an initial one. And from again, I don't live in Quebec, I don't know. But

00:19:36.120 in Quebec culture and French culture, TVA is like the big network that everyone cares a lot about.

00:19:41.180 So even though he will be doing another one, a lot of people say like, you know, TVA is very

00:19:45.960 important and you have to do that one as well. And it's interesting because the liberals depend so much

00:19:51.280 on having a strong Quebec in order to form a majority or in order to win elections. Like,

00:19:56.160 you know, that is their base. That is like their Alberta. And yet, you know, it doesn't seem like

00:20:02.760 Mark Carney is in a good position to relate to those people. He doesn't seem to have a lot of

00:20:07.380 respect or, you know, even interest in trying to like improve his French. So I think that'll be

00:20:14.060 one to watch because if he allows, you know, Quebec to slip away, I think it really says 0.98

00:20:20.680 goodbye to his chances of becoming prime minister. What do you think?

00:20:23.120 Oh, well, I agree. Well, I have to say I Mr. Blanchett had me in stitches the way he reacted

00:20:29.400 to that. He's like, well, quite frankly, at this point, I don't know what he's not scared of at this

00:20:33.960 point. He's scared of the French language. He's scared to talk to Trump. What's what's next?

00:20:38.940 You know, and I think that is in particular really funny. But there's a position I actually

00:20:43.560 highlighted in my show this morning was the fact that how much the liberals hate Poliev.

00:20:49.780 And that's mainly what I think what we saw in Carney there in that interview. It was the fact

00:20:54.120 that you're being challenged to Poliev to do a debate in French and immediately was of course,

00:21:00.840 why not? Of course I'd do it. And then later, two hours later, actually, we're not going to be

00:21:05.840 doing that here. It was clearly he didn't want to look weak in the face of Poliev. It shows how much

00:21:11.360 the liberals hate Poliev and they don't want to look less than than him. And that's exactly what that

00:21:17.300 response was, was Carney's arrogance on full display for Canadians.

00:21:20.960 Well, we have that clip that you're talking about. So this is a clip of Pierre Poliev

00:21:24.480 offering to pay the liberals to have Mark Carney there speaking in Vaughn, Ontario this morning.

00:21:31.820 And to your point, like this is just humiliating. Like they really left this door open for Poliev

00:21:37.140 to step up and do what he does best. And I do think that he humiliates Mark Carney in this

00:21:41.340 plant and hiding because he believes that he's too weak to defend the lost liberal decade

00:21:48.300 or explain why he thinks liberals deserve a fourth term. Let's have a debate in French

00:21:54.580 where we put together the choice, either a fourth liberal term after costs and crime have gone up

00:22:02.960 and our economy has gone down under the American thumb or putting Canada first for a change with

00:22:10.780 a new conservative government that will build the homes. I'll even pay Mr. Carney's fee so that he

00:22:17.980 can show up. We'll take that excuse away from conservatives. We'll even pay the fee to bring

00:22:22.520 him out. He's not afraid. And by the way, if he is afraid to have the debate, how is he going to have

00:22:27.820 the courage to stand up against Donald Trump? I think he's just really playing into Poliev's

00:22:34.180 strength there and allowing Poliev to take the issue. What do you think?

00:22:39.100 A hundred percent. That's exactly what's happening. I love that Poliev specifically said,

00:22:43.660 we'll take that excuse away from him. And it reminds me of my football coach back in high school.

00:22:49.360 Our big thing was excuses are for losers. And that's exactly what this is, is an excuse. And so 0.83

00:22:56.200 we'll see what ends up happening moving forward. But you were right. Like, you know, the struggle

00:23:00.960 has been Quebec and it's Ontario for the conservatives traditionally. And now it's just

00:23:05.040 like, you're kind of like there was a 40% support in Quebec right now for the liberal party. And

00:23:09.540 you're starting to push them more to the blue side. That isn't the block blue. It's the conservative

00:23:13.860 blue. The more you're doing this type of stuff. And, and on top of how bad his French really is,

00:23:19.720 it's not going to serve him in Quebec. And we'll see, we'll see what gets translated with the talk

00:23:25.620 that happens in Quebec. You know, we can think about the, one of the block representatives who

00:23:30.760 since deleted his tweet, but literally said that liberal party is a bigger threat to Canada than

00:23:35.360 Donald Trump is. And that sets some alarm bells off, especially for Mr. Guibo, who was not too

00:23:40.020 happy about it. So I would tend to agree. I mean, who, who's destroyed our economy? It wasn't Donald

00:23:45.180 Trump. It was the liberals over the last 10 years and their radical policies, which seems that Mark

00:23:50.080 Kearney is right on board continuing with the net zero and the carbon nonsense. I want to stay on

00:23:55.180 policy for a minute. Cause one thing that's happened is kind of interesting is that Mark

00:23:58.740 Kearney has tacked, right? He has abandoned a lot of the pet causes of the left wing. He is saying

00:24:05.060 that he is not going to have the carbon tax, gotten rid of the carbon tax. It was the first thing he did

00:24:09.080 as prime minister, I believe has signed a fake executive order there saying that he was going to get rid

00:24:14.300 of the carbon tax. And then he's also jumped on and copied Pierre Polyev's policy when it comes to

00:24:19.400 giving an exemption to first time home buyers. And so I think because the liberals are trying to steal

00:24:26.240 the conservatives economic policies, it gives the conservatives more opportunity to go even harder

00:24:32.340 and hammer at home. So we saw Pierre Polyev announce a 15% tax cut, income tax cut, which could

00:24:40.240 save families up to 2000 or $1,800 a year. So speaking at a campaign stop in Brampton, Polyev pledged

00:24:47.880 to drop the lowest personal income bracket by 15%, bringing it from 15% to 12. Here is a clip of him

00:24:54.640 saying that. Today, I'm announcing that Canada first conservatives will cut income taxes by 15%

00:25:04.540 for the average worker or $2,000 for the average couple. This is a tax cut for seniors who are 0.96

00:25:12.540 drawing their pension or retirement income. They will pay on average 15% less. This is a tax cut

00:25:19.960 for the workers behind me who will pay 15% less on their income tax. This is a tax cut for the waitress, 1.00

00:25:27.940 for the welder, for the barber. This is a tax cut for everybody who has ever got up early in the

00:25:33.560 morning and work hard to build our country. This is a tax cut that will put Canada first.

00:25:41.160 So what do you think of this policy, Josh? I think it's a good start. I think right now,

00:25:47.200 tax cuts are big right now. And so that first income bracket going from 15% down to 12.75%,

00:25:53.680 I think it was two and a quarter is what they're essentially deducting. I think it's a big cut.

00:25:58.420 I think that's a lot of money. You said yourself $1,800. That's a good chunk of cash. I think we're

00:26:05.820 looking at $125, $150 a month in savings for a family. We'll take that. Then add on top of that

00:26:12.300 all the tax they're looking to take off the board. In addition, the savings are going to keep

00:26:17.340 increasing. So I think it's a good start. I would like to see it continue to be pushed as they move

00:26:22.560 forward. But I think it's a good place to start. Yeah, I'm with you. Any tax cut is good. I'm on board for

00:26:27.960 it. I would like to see Polyev. It'd be great if he just said, like, let's bring in a flat tax or

00:26:32.620 let's eliminate income tax altogether. I mean, now is the time, I think, to throw things out there.

00:26:37.320 This is something that Trump did incredibly well, was just saying, you know, we're going to get a

00:26:41.680 mandate. We want a big mandate. And these are all the things that we want to change and actually

00:26:44.920 draw a very stark distinction between yourself and the other side. And actually it kind of reminds me

00:26:51.200 again, I just remember this, but during the campaign, remember Donald Trump came out and said

00:26:55.000 that they were going to eliminate taxes on tips. And then like a few days later, Democrat Kamala

00:27:00.420 Harris said the same thing. It was like, I don't know if she just heard him say it. I was like,

00:27:03.500 that's a good idea. Or if they like planned intentionally to try to do that, to like neutralize

00:27:07.920 the issue. But I think that Pierre Polyev obviously relates to working class people a lot better. He goes

00:27:13.260 on these tours. He goes, they call them meet and greets, but he goes and he meets thousands and

00:27:18.260 thousands of Canadians every day, shakes their hand and hears their concerns and talks to them.

00:27:23.100 And so I think he has a lot better idea of what would help and what issues are really

00:27:27.840 facing Canadians versus Mark Carney, who's, you know, in the C-suite and obviously feels

00:27:32.920 deeply uncomfortable when he's placed around working class people, as we saw in Edmonton 1.00

00:27:36.360 last week, where he came up with, with the, you know, the fellows there in the hard hats

00:27:40.520 and you could tell that they just didn't want anything to do with him. He didn't know how

00:27:44.020 to even like approach them. And it was just like a super tense, awkward encounter. Okay.

00:27:49.020 I want to switch it over to Jagmeet Singh because we've talked about this before. Oh,

00:27:53.760 sorry. Did you, you can, you can jump in there.

00:27:55.560 Yeah. One last point there too. I find this, you know, as much as the liberals and the media

00:27:59.960 will try to frame in a specific way, I'm starting to see this election as a big win for conservatives

00:28:03.760 because we're starting to see the mere opposite of what we saw back in 2021 was Aaron O'Toole tried

00:28:08.400 to be left-wing to try and went over the left-wing moderates. And now what we're seeing is

00:28:13.340 Carney's trying to be what Aaron O'Toole was last election. And so, as you just said

00:28:16.660 a real perfectly earlier, where conservatives are now dragging Carney and liberals over to

00:28:21.800 the right side. You know what the thing hasn't been mentioned once this election campaign

00:28:25.320 so far, Candace, identity politics, nowhere to be found. And I think that's a big win for

00:28:31.480 regular people because we're able to talk about things that people actually care about and

00:28:35.760 not about some of these niche topics that the liberals tried to champion as a big part of

00:28:38.980 their platform. And that was, sorry, that was just one last thing I wanted to say.

00:28:41.560 Well, it's interesting you say that as if it's a win. I agree. It's nice to not have

00:28:45.980 those issues shoved down our throats anymore. Clearly, they've gotten the memo that Canadians 0.98

00:28:50.100 don't care and they don't want that, right? Everyone live their own life. I don't care

00:28:54.340 what you do. You shouldn't care what I do as long as it's happening like in your personal

00:28:58.140 life or whatever. But I still think that it's important that we get an idea of where our

00:29:03.900 political leaders stand on these issues, right? So anytime there's a divisive social issue

00:29:09.500 that the media think that they can trap a conservative and get them to say something,

00:29:14.140 they'll go for the jugular, right? And they'll be ruthless. And we saw this in the 2019 campaign

00:29:19.320 with Andrew Scheer where they made a big deal about the fact that Andrew Scheer is a practicing

00:29:23.060 Catholic and therefore he believes that gay marriage, I mean, it's just not a thing for

00:29:28.380 Catholics, right? And that being gay is a sin. And they made that the biggest issue of the campaign, 1.00

00:29:33.200 right? All they wanted to do with former Prime Minister Stephen Harper was expose like who

00:29:37.840 is pro-life and his team and make it seem like they were radical Christian nationalists or whatever,

00:29:43.120 right? And same thing with Pierre Polyev. I think it was last year, Daniel Smith,

00:29:47.920 Pierre of Alberta, came out and banned sex changes basically for kids, cross-sex hormones and sex change

00:29:55.940 operations for kids, right? And the media thought this was a great opportunity to try to get Pierre

00:30:01.840 Polyev on record. And so they pushed him, they scrummed him, they made him take a position on that,

00:30:07.260 as they should, right? That's the role of the media. They sensed that there was maybe an opportunity to

00:30:12.580 get him to say something that he hadn't planned on saying, and they pushed him on it. And he came out

00:30:17.540 and he made the correct decision. He said, you know, children shouldn't have these kind of drugs.

00:30:21.480 It's not for children, right? You can't consent to that kind of thing. And yet, they won't ask Mark

00:30:27.100 Kearney. They won't ask him his, where he stands on these divisive social issues. They won't ask him

00:30:31.660 whether he believes there's two genders or a thousand genders. They won't ask him whether he

00:30:35.880 believes that these sex change operations and cross-sex hormones should be available to children.

00:30:41.240 He hasn't said whether he believes that boys should be able to play on girls' sports. My only point is 0.55

00:30:45.380 that the media are all of a sudden totally uninterested, and there's no curiosity to find out where the

00:30:50.400 prime minister stands on these issues. They're happy to push conservatives on them, but they don't care,

00:30:54.800 and not even that they don't care, they actively campaign against anyone who does care.

00:31:00.640 Yeah, it's almost, you know, to a degree where it hasn't been brought up this campaign at all

00:31:04.760 because they almost don't want it to come back on them. And there is something to be said too, Candace,

00:31:08.700 where, you know, you, I'm a big fan of, you know, using the measure that you use upon others,

00:31:14.220 and I think that is something that I would welcome against the liberal party. Like, okay, you know, media,

00:31:18.680 you've made this a big issue up to this point. All of a sudden, Mark Kearney's in, and we know

00:31:23.800 that he has some more conservative values. We won't say nothing about it, but we know he does.

00:31:28.260 And, but you're not going to question him directly on these things like he would have here, Paul,

00:31:31.820 you have, say, you know, two years ago, or Aaron O'Toole four years ago, or Andrew Scheer six years

00:31:37.800 ago. So, um, I do agree there is a point to that, but I also kind of, you know, I stay, I think I stay

00:31:42.880 in my ground to a, to a degree where I am happy that identity politics is nowhere part of this election

00:31:48.940 right now. And cause it is already overall, it is a distraction in a lot of ways, um, to like,

00:31:54.360 you know, the issue of being able to afford your home healthcare and be able to, um, get power back

00:32:00.360 on our dollar. So. Yeah, fair enough. Okay. Let's talk about Jagmeet Singh quickly, because

00:32:05.240 one of the interesting things in Canadian politics is that in order for the conservatives to win,

00:32:10.200 they actually need a strong NDP, right? You need to have that vote split that happens. And for folks

00:32:15.180 who don't know what I'm talking about, basically the conservatives pull a 35 to 40%, that's not

00:32:20.160 enough to form a majority. But what happens is because the Canadian left is kind of split,

00:32:25.120 there's more like the hard left wingers, the environmentalists and the union folks traditionally.

00:32:30.460 And then there's more of the centrists and the bankers and the business class, which is the

00:32:34.160 liberals. And in, in order for the conservatives to get through, there needs to be some kind of a

00:32:39.300 split in mostly in kind of competitive ridings, say in and around Toronto, in and around Vancouver,

00:32:44.720 and then in Quebec, there's a different vote split that happens with the bloc. But when the NDP

00:32:50.480 collapses, as we saw earlier this month, the NDP hit like rock bottom, like single digits,

00:32:58.120 that, that, that does create a clear path for a liberal victory. And so I think that interestingly,

00:33:04.660 conservatives and the NDP can have some kind of a shared goal in that, you know, they actually want,

00:33:10.460 the conservatives would actually want the NDP to be a bit stronger. And it's also interesting,

00:33:14.880 because if you have a left wing constituency in Canada, say, like 40% of the country's left wing,

00:33:21.380 you kind of imagine, okay, you have this guy who's a central banker, who's probably a multimillionaire,

00:33:27.400 we don't even know, because he won't disclose his assets, but he's probably a multimillionaire.

00:33:31.160 And he's made all of his money through Wall Street, Goldman Sachs, globalist sort of positions in the

00:33:39.700 WEF and United Nations. I mean, he's a banker, right? That's not typically the face of the left,

00:33:48.060 right? Like there's a person who encompasses the values of left wingers who usually fight for the

00:33:54.140 workers, for the little guy, you know, people in the unions. Interestingly, I think one of the unions

00:33:58.880 just endorsed conservatives for the first time. But I think that Jagmeet Singh is making a very good

00:34:04.860 point here, where he's talking about how Mark Carney contributed to the housing crisis through his

00:34:11.900 business, through what Brookfield asset management does. And that the more that Jagmeet Singh can hit

00:34:18.540 these points, I think it is beneficial, just in pointing out to left wing Canadians, hey, this guy

00:34:24.220 isn't your champion, right? He's totally an elitist and out of touch. So I want to, we'll play this

00:34:29.340 clip of Jagmeet Singh, and then I'll have you react to all that, Josh. So here's Jagmeet Singh speaking

00:34:33.480 at a campaign stop in Montreal on Monday.

00:34:35.860 The fact that he headed up Brookfield, and Brookfield is a large corporate landlord in Canada

00:34:42.120 that engaged in rent eviction. At a time when Canadians could not find affordable homes,

00:34:47.940 he saw a way to make more profit for his company. And now I don't fault him for making profit for his

00:34:53.860 company. I fault him for proposing that somehow the person that fed the housing crisis, that rent

00:34:59.960 evicted people, that jacked up the price of homes that were affordable, that bought up affordable

00:35:05.140 homes, then turned them into unaffordable places, that somehow that guy could be trusted to fix the

00:35:11.220 housing crisis. What do you think? One thing about Jagmeet is he's always engaged in hyperbole

00:35:20.700 when it came to attacking Polyev. But this, everything he said was spot on. There was no

00:35:26.140 hyperbole needed. It was actually refreshing to see Jagmeet Singh do what the NDP are supposed

00:35:32.880 to do. And that's advocate for the working class and be like, yeah, this guy you want, or they're

00:35:38.740 telling you that you want. He is not, he does, he plays for the bad guys, you know, the eat the rich,

00:35:43.520 all those, you know, he's one of those. I just want to let you know. You know, and I think that

00:35:48.780 was a big statement coming from the NDP because it's one thing to hear Polyev, Lanceman, or someone

00:35:53.160 step up in the House of Commons saying, you know, Carney this. When he got Jagmeet Singh and the NDP

00:35:59.320 saying, no, trust me, this guy stinks and you do not want to vote for him. I think is, it's a huge

00:36:06.500 proponent. I think, I can't remember who the MP was, but it was another NDP MP who stood up at a press

00:36:11.080 conference a couple of weeks ago saying the exact same thing about Mark Carney. And I thought that

00:36:16.600 was a huge win. So we literally, we clipped that on our show. We posted on our social channels. Like

00:36:21.100 we were like, yo, great job, NDP Canada, way to stick it and making sure you are holding them

00:36:26.760 accountable. This is good behavior. And we want to reinforce good behavior coming from the left wing

00:36:31.960 when the, cause when we agree on things, I think it's important to advocate and acknowledge that we

00:36:36.080 agree on this and we want to see this out of our politics. So I think it was a big move.

00:36:39.220 Right. Yeah. Send that clip to your left wing friends and family members who are considering

00:36:43.560 voting for liberal because you're exactly right. Like Mark Carney is just not a good figure to lead

00:36:50.020 the political left. And it may be an unintended consequence of Mark Carney seeing Pierre Polyev as

00:36:55.300 his biggest threat and taking a few steps back to the center, I would argue, or maybe towards the

00:37:00.060 political right is that he leaves a lot of space open on the left. I wish that the NDP had switched its

00:37:06.160 leader. I wish that they had kicked Jagmeet Singh out after the last election and had someone else,

00:37:11.920 someone new in there, because it's hard for me to take serious anything Jagmeet Singh says after

00:37:16.940 propping up the liberals for four long years and allowing so many scandals. And it is interesting

00:37:22.600 because say Jagmeet Singh had forced an election two years ago when Justin Trudeau was starting to

00:37:28.400 plummet in the polls after, frankly, after the trucker convoy and the use of the Emergencies Act,

00:37:33.340 the illegal use of the Emergencies Act. At that point, Pierre Polyev would have won the landslide.

00:37:38.920 And it's possible that Jagmeet Singh would have been rewarded by becoming leader of the opposition

00:37:42.860 and having a real stake in our political system and having that opportunity. But because he chose

00:37:48.480 the cowardly route, which was to just prop up Justin Trudeau, he is being punished. And I think

00:37:53.600 that a lot of Canadians want to punish him, not interested in going back to the NDP. But I will say

00:37:58.940 that I agree that this message that Mark Carney, I mean, for goodness sakes, if that's what Brookfield

00:38:04.360 Asset Management was doing in Canada, buying up homes, evicting tenants, renovating them to make

00:38:09.640 them so expensive that Canadians, many Canadian families can't afford to live in them. Like,

00:38:13.880 that's not exactly a record to be proud of. Yeah, especially, and that was one of the points

00:38:18.300 the NDP MP made was like, they're one of the biggest tax dodgers in Canada. But so people who want,

00:38:23.780 who are like, please give me more tax. Well, there it is. There's the big guy who's not who's

00:38:30.160 avoiding paying tax. That's a big conversation to be having. And I'm seeing this live in my life

00:38:35.300 right now, Candace, where my nan, hardcore NDP her whole life, Chrysler worked at the factories union 1.00

00:38:42.720 big on that. I asked her, you know, two years ago, my, hey, what are your thoughts on Jagmeet Singh?

00:38:48.520 Like, oh, I can't stand him. He's he doesn't stand up for anybody. And I'm like, who are you voting for?

00:38:52.520 Oh, Pierre Poliev. And I was like, oh, interesting. Okay, that's, that's a big move for you.

00:38:56.200 And then, you know, Mark Carney gets installed into the liberal leadership race or the party.

00:39:01.820 And I asked her, what are your thoughts now? Mark Carney's more centrist. What are your

00:39:04.960 thoughts on there? He's like, no way. He moved his headquarters from Canada, New York. I have no

00:39:09.580 interest in that. He doesn't care about workers. He doesn't care about unions. The only pro union person

00:39:13.900 on this ticket right now is Poliev. I can't believe I'm saying that, but I'm voting conservative,

00:39:18.380 but you can't change my mind on that. I was like, gee, this woman's bled orange. 0.67

00:39:22.520 Her whole life. And now within the past handful of years has gone conservative, which is incredible.

00:39:28.620 Wow. What an incredible shift. Well, I hope many more Canadians have that have that moment and come

00:39:33.540 around. And interesting to see we even have unions endorsing the conservatives for exactly the reason

00:39:38.820 that you said. Josh Udall with the Elevate podcast. It's been such a pleasure to have you on. We'll have

00:39:43.320 to have you back. Thank you so much, Candace. Really appreciate it. All right. Thank you so much,

00:39:46.680 Josh. That's all the time we have for today. I'm Candace Malcolm. This is the Candace Malcolm

00:39:49.960 Show. We'll be back again tomorrow with all the news. Thank you and God bless.

Juno News - March 25, 2025

Election INTERFERENCE from Canada’s Deep State

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