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00:00:00.000 I am Candace Malcolm and this is the Candace Malcolm show we are live and it is debate night

00:00:11.900 finally the moment that so many of us have been waiting for the one and only English debate in

00:00:17.860 this election cycle of course we had the French debate last night and wow what a night what a

00:00:23.780 night for, first of all, Pierre Polyev, who really just seemed calm and relaxed and delivered

00:00:29.640 what he needed to do. There were no real knockout punches, but I suspect that was deliberate

00:00:34.220 because tonight is the night that really matters for Pierre Polyev. The best he could have done

00:00:39.740 last night is maybe pick up a few percentage points in Quebec, not really going to lead to

00:00:45.600 a lot of seats. But tonight is the big night that really matters for Pierre Polyev and the

00:00:51.060 Conservatives. He has to win over centrist voters, basically in and around Toronto, in the GTA, in the

00:00:57.620 905, in Ontario. That is where this election will be decided. So I imagine that Pierre Polyev sort of

00:01:04.080 reserved his best lines and his knockout punches for tonight. So we are very, very excited about

00:01:11.180 this debate. I'm pleased tonight to be joined by the same co-host we had last night for the French

00:01:16.700 language debate and that of course is david knight leg david is a political advisor and

00:01:22.300 consultant based in calgary alberta so david thanks for joining us again great to be here well

00:01:43.020 we saw from the legacy media i don't want to belabor it too too much because we talked about

00:01:46.620 it a lot last night and also on my show earlier today i had kim bexy join me but it's just really

00:01:52.940 interesting in canada that we have bought and paid for media the legacy media they are propagandists

00:01:59.580 for the left and for liberals and then when they hear independent media who are not bought and paid

00:02:04.940 for by anybody who are independent who speak our mind who ask questions that matter to us and to

00:02:09.740 many canadians that are not represented by the people who sit at the cbc the reaction is really

00:02:16.460 telling because they don't like it and their immediate reaction is censorship their immediate

00:02:21.900 reaction is that the government needs to stop this the government needs to control speech even more

00:02:26.780 this is you know we saw so many people uh typical suspects on social media basically saying that

00:02:34.060 this is why we need the cbc and these independent journalists have to go um david what uh let's

00:02:40.940 let's talk about the debate tonight um what are you looking for uh what do you do you have any

00:02:47.980 predictions and what do you think specifically pierre polyev has to accomplish tonight and what

00:02:53.500 he needs to do to continue to chip away at the support that the liberal party has yeah look i

00:02:59.820 I think the commentators that you get in the mainstream media

00:03:03.400 actually tend to give Pierre a lot of free coaching tips

00:03:06.240 on being likable and other things.

00:03:09.320 And they tend to spare Mark Carney any of those coaching tips

00:03:12.660 about being likable or less brittle

00:03:14.240 because they don't chase him on all these obvious conflicts

00:03:17.580 that have been just, you know, if this guy was a conservative

00:03:20.820 and had parachuted in and had offshore accounts,

00:03:25.200 series of just openly contradictory statements

00:03:28.300 within sometimes days of each other,

00:03:31.420 he'd be held to account.

00:03:32.560 He hasn't been.

00:03:33.360 So I think what I'd say is interesting

00:03:35.980 is I think that anybody that's running in an election,

00:03:39.500 having been involved in a few,

00:03:41.020 has to consider three things.

00:03:43.240 First thing is they've got to appeal to their base.

00:03:45.800 The base has to be fired up about you as the candidate

00:03:48.580 and what you represent and what you speak to.

00:03:51.200 And so for all the free advice that Pierre gets

00:03:53.040 of sounding and acting more like a liberal

00:03:55.040 than a conservative from the mainstream press,

00:03:57.260 I think that he has to be decisive about speaking to issues from the perspective of a conservative.

00:04:04.180 And this lost decade of the past 10 years is opening that opportunity up for him to really address these issues.

00:04:10.460 So is the fact that his opponent, Mark Carney, has borrowed a lot of the key conservative platform issues as a way of running his own campaign.

00:04:19.720 I think the second thing that he's got to do is find a way to reach boomers, which is a natural conservative constituency. 0.79

00:04:26.420 And I think there's ways into that, particularly around affordability and around security, personal security, crime, drugs, et cetera, things that that people that are 60 and above care about in terms of the life of the cities and the safety they feel when they're in their cities.

00:04:40.480 I think the third thing he's got to do is find a way to really differentiate himself from the fact that Blanchett and Carney and Singh all have the same lines, particularly on energy and and energy security issues with respect to the United States.

00:05:10.480 Okay, it looks like Candice is off there for a second. So maybe I'll just talk a little bit more about a couple other things that I think could happen during this debate. There's five categories that Steve Pakin, who's the moderator, will be managing for. The first is affordability and cost of living. The second is tariffs and threats to Canada. Obviously, that's going to be the Trump factor. And that's going to be where I believe both Mark Carney and Jagmeet Singh are going to try and place the emphasis.

00:05:38.200 The third is energy and climate, which I think is where Pierre has an opportunity to really differentiate himself from the consensus position.

00:05:46.940 The fourth is how you lead in a crisis. And the fifth is public safety and security.

00:05:52.700 And I think with those five areas, there's a couple that are going to provide openings for Pierre.

00:05:58.160 And there's a few that, you know, he's going to have to elide past, you know, a Carney Singh consensus position from the last 10 years.

00:06:06.980 Well, that's really interesting and good advice for Pierre Polyam.

00:06:10.800 You mentioned that Mark Carney often flip-flops and changes his position within a matter of days.

00:06:16.580 Yves-Francois Blanchet pointed this out at the debate.

00:06:19.540 And I want to play this clip because I almost have a feeling that Yves-Francois Blanchet must watch the Candace Malcolm show on us at Juno News.

00:06:25.980 Because he pointed out the exact same contradiction that I focused an entire show on.

00:06:29.660 And then he said, I saw the clip again yesterday.

00:06:32.260 And I had played it on my show yesterday.

00:06:33.580 So I do think that the bloc may be a fan, a secret fan of us here at Juno News.

00:06:39.380 But anyway, let's play that clip of the bloc leader last night.

00:06:43.440 Mid-February, British Columbia.

00:06:46.380 You, like all other Canadian leaders, said something in English that was, if necessary, you would use the executive emergency powers.

00:06:55.800 You said it. I heard it again yesterday.

00:06:58.800 You would force pipelines through Canada and through Quebec.

00:07:02.200 No, no, no.

00:07:02.820 Two days after that, with Mr. Roy...

00:07:05.720 That's not it.

00:07:07.080 That's not it at all.

00:07:09.300 Please be nice.

00:07:10.140 We're almost friends.

00:07:11.140 But then you said to Mr. Roy, I would never like to force this.

00:07:13.780 So it's not rules that stop this.

00:07:16.600 It's social acceptability that stop this pipeline, because people said no.

00:07:19.420 Mr. Carney, please reply.

00:07:20.960 Okay, no.

00:07:22.840 It's the use of emergency powers for the federal government.

00:07:27.960 That's for federal approval.

00:07:30.800 but there also has to be approval for example here in quebec there has to be approval from

00:07:36.160 the provinces and the support of indigenous people this is canada that's how canada works

00:07:41.920 so there's so much to unpack from that clip but um it's interesting that first of all that

00:07:48.960 carney did say that right we have him on tape he was in colonna and he was talking about building

00:07:52.880 pipelines and saying that he would use the emergencies act if necessary which to conservative

00:07:57.520 ears when we hear a liberal say emergencies act it just brings back like the trucker convoy mayhem

00:08:03.680 and lawlessness that even a court found to be illegal but when it comes to pipelines it's like

00:08:08.880 okay well i guess that's good because we want pipelines and then of course he he flipped it

00:08:13.200 around he told the national post a couple days ago that he won't prioritize pipelines and that

00:08:17.680 was why we played the clip again but carney's answer there was so unsatisfactory he said that

00:08:22.560 was just for federal approval but we obviously need quebec buy-in and first nations buy-in

00:08:27.440 so basically back to where we've been for the last 10 years or so uh what do you think about

00:08:31.920 carneon pipelines look i think the liberal party has a fundamental problem because other nations

00:08:38.160 don't need to invoke emergencies act or the suspension of civil rights or the suspension

00:08:43.360 of the normal due process of a federalist legal structure to get something built or to find a

00:08:49.920 pretext for arresting and incarcerating your political opponents and treating them like 0.58

00:08:54.680 terrorists while you let actual terror and criminal syndicates get a free pass, right? 0.85

00:08:59.300 I find Carney wrote one of the most disgusting op-eds that I've read as a Canadian. It infuriated 0.84

00:09:05.720 me. His minion, Christian Freeland, of course, followed through on Carney's very specific

00:09:11.640 choice of the word sedition when he referred to truckers. That is the wrong legal term to use

00:09:19.120 for people that were amongst the highest vaccinated cohort in the country that had delivered packages

00:09:24.140 to everybody for two years, you know, seamlessly, and then were treated like a criminal element

00:09:29.600 when they finally had it with an unscientific mandate. And, you know, it was Mark Carney

00:09:33.940 that wrote sort of the dog whistle marching orders on sedition and on the idea that this

00:09:39.400 was foreign funded and on the idea that terror legislation should be used to chase down

00:09:43.640 foreign interference funding with a bunch of truckers trying to protest

00:09:47.580 laws that were soon dropped within weeks afterwards canada joined the rest of the

00:09:52.040 civilized world and dropped those dumb laws so i i find his instinct to sort of say we can just use

00:09:59.220 you know extremist uh rules you know there are there are conditions under which you do need to

00:10:05.080 have something like a suspension of normal civil rights and due process that's not in a normal

00:10:10.560 society how you build a pipeline you build a pipeline by creating the conditions under which

00:10:14.460 there's an ability to evaluate, build, invest in and create international market access in one of

00:10:22.020 the world's most wealthy resource rich nations and be able to ship that energy to Europe and

00:10:27.860 Asia, not just the United States. So I think the whole context of Carney's comments bear

00:10:33.300 a lot of investigation. I think it's the reason why the Liberal Party has presided over a failed

00:10:39.640 decade and i think that the fact that he has to flip-flop is because the actual liberal party

00:10:45.060 ideology is deeply unpopular with canadians when they understand it and as a result of that the

00:10:50.880 poll numbers tell him that and that's why the key planks of his platform so far that have been popular

00:10:55.760 have been the liberal have been the liberal adoption of conservative ideas so he he will

00:11:00.760 keep flip-flopping because what he thinks in his ideology is deeply distasteful to canadians uh

00:11:07.800 it's understood and it's been a terrible disaster everywhere it's been tried in the uk and canada

00:11:12.840 and elsewhere it's led to poverty and it's led to a unilateral disarmament of energy security

00:11:19.640 in the democratic west by shareholder led companies while despotic states are able to arm up and

00:11:25.880 actually print hundreds of billions of dollars off the energy that that nations like canada

00:11:30.520 won't ship to places like germany and western europe that really desperately need it and mark

00:11:36.040 Art Carney has presided over this unilateral disarmament in the name of net zero, which is this green alarmist philosophy that he has embodied more than just about any other public figure.

00:11:46.900 His track record of failure on net zero was punctuated this last two years by every major bank in the world running away from his his punitive G fans ideology that he he created out of the Glasgow accord.

00:12:04.320 And, you know, that failure is sort of what's preceded him parachuting in as the interim prime minister and now trying to run the stuff.

00:12:12.640 So I think he's got three problems.

00:12:14.400 One, this this use of sort of extrajudicial processes to try and get something as simple as pipelines built in what should be an open free market society.

00:12:23.920 Two, he's trying to hang on to failed policies like C-69 without letting go of the fact that those have been part of the decade long problem that he advised and advised very publicly for five years.

00:12:36.260 And three, because of that, he's going to keep flip flopping in English and French in one community where he wants to win votes and another community where he wants to maintain his base.

00:12:46.500 And I think he's the one that's under a lot of pressure right now.

00:12:48.900 I think energy and climate is going to be a category for Pierre to exploit because, A, it's a category where the Conservatives can provide a much better path to actual global emissions by the shipping of natural gas to displace coal in the rest of the world.

00:13:04.860 That is a big story that needs to be told by the Conservatives with a lot more confidence because it does more for the planet than anything the Liberals have ever tried to do.

00:13:12.780 Their performance outcomes for the last decade have been terrible on global emissions and on anything related to the natural tradeoffs between energy, the economy and the environment.

00:13:23.940 And so I think that's an area Pierre can exploit.

00:13:26.180 I think that's an area that will fire up the base.

00:13:28.100 And I think that's an area where he can actually win over people that understand that we should never have been put in a position where a vassal economic state to the United States.

00:13:36.400 I expect that if he can connect that energy and climate piece to the tariffs and threats to Canada and to affordability and cost of living, there's a thread through this that kind of has lead in a crisis, energy and climate, economic resilience, the ability to bring down the cost of living and household affordability and inflation, and all of that to position Canada to deal with the tariffs in a more productive way.

00:14:03.580 Pierre's got a great story to tell on that.

00:14:05.420 And I hope that he's able to put that together in a way that continues to wrong foot Mark Carney

00:14:09.180 and his desperate attempts early on to latch on through a prorogued parliament to conservative ideas.

00:14:15.760 It's so interesting that, I mean, if you look at the polls and you trust the polls,

00:14:21.660 we're seeing that the race is really tightening.

00:14:24.200 And I think that specifically the issue set has changed.

00:14:26.980 For those who are still thinking about Donald Trump and the trade war,

00:14:30.020 their preferred candidate seems to be mark carney but for those who are like living in the world and

00:14:35.800 looking around us and looking at canada and the cost of living issues the crime issues the just

00:14:40.520 like all the things that feel broken in canada you lead towards pier poliev there's an interesting

00:14:46.380 story uh posted by juno news yesterday and it was based off of a leger poll and the headline says

00:14:53.280 hope drives poliev supporters and fear motivates carney voters according to the poll i just want

00:14:59.820 to read from this because I just found this super interesting. So it says a new Leger poll conducted

00:15:03.920 between April 11th and 14th with a sample size of a thousand showed that six in 10 liberal voters

00:15:09.260 supported the party because they're motivated primarily by fear of Trump and believe Mark

00:15:13.740 Carney is the leader, best suited to protect Canada. And then it says conversely, 76% of

00:15:18.680 conservative voters would allocate the vote towards the party because they have hope for a better

00:15:23.500 future. And that's just such an interesting juxtaposition because I almost think that the

00:15:28.040 narrative that the media likes to paint is that the conservatives use hate and fear to divide

00:15:33.200 people and that's like sort of the motivating thing for the party and that liberals are the

00:15:38.360 party of like optimism and hope and change and in this election it's literally the opposite that if

00:15:43.080 you're if you're motivated by fear you're voting liberal and if you're motivated by hope you're

00:15:48.540 voting conservative what do you think of that look yeah i think i think you know i think it's

00:15:57.860 two sides of the same coin, actually, in the sense that when, if you ask in Canada, you've

00:16:03.160 referred to your kids. And I think, you know, when I, when I think about Canada, I think about my son,

00:16:07.740 Aiden. I think you hope the best for your kids and you hope the best for your country and you

00:16:13.920 hope the best for, you know, your community. And when you see it degraded by drugs or violence

00:16:24.500 or reckless approaches to law enforcement

00:16:28.660 or the lack of ability to shut down

00:16:32.000 these terror-supporting Hamas parades,

00:16:35.300 or you see the suspension of civil rights

00:16:37.720 in a soft fascism endorsed by a Mark Carney

00:16:41.600 and then executed by a Chrystia Freeland stuff, 1.00

00:16:45.320 you start to feel like,

00:16:47.580 I wouldn't describe as a conservative

00:16:49.320 what I feel is fear.

00:16:50.560 I think it's deep concern

00:16:52.020 that we're losing control

00:16:53.340 of what is one of the greatest societies ever created in human history and one of the luckiest

00:16:58.460 societies in that we have the most resource-rich, vast country right next to the world's most

00:17:05.340 vibrant and active and consumptive economy. It's like the perfect world, right? Canada literally

00:17:11.500 lives in the most perfect set of conditions imaginable for any modern democracy. It's

00:17:16.920 extraordinary and to see all of those advantages fumbled away by recklessness partisanship small

00:17:23.960 minded ideologies you know fraudulent fake sad narrow-minded approaches to green alarmism because

00:17:32.280 it feels good and it sounds kind of loosely western european and and it was sort of fashionable at

00:17:37.400 davos three years ago you know that kind of stuff feels sad it feels like we're missing something

00:17:42.380 And so I think that hope fear divide is is probably one where, you know, and again, I sort of connecting some dots here, having read when you read some of the media accounts, a lot of the elderly actually live in fear.

00:17:58.640 And one of the reasons they live in fear is because they're often shut in or they often encounter the world through their television set.

00:18:04.860 and if you watch television all day long and there's a lot of data around this then you

00:18:09.320 naturally have a predisposition to think the world is a terrible place things are always going wrong

00:18:13.740 there's crime everywhere there's a problem around the right and anybody that's saturated with social

00:18:18.360 media has develops mental problems anybody that's saturated with tv develops sense of fear and i

00:18:23.840 think if you were to take the hope fear matrix and you overlaid it on the population demographic i

00:18:29.660 I think what you find is that Carney is doing very well with the elderly that get most of their news through mainstream state funded media like CTV, CBC, Global, etc.

00:18:39.480 And are told that Donald Trump is threatening the existence of Canada in some fundamental way.

00:18:45.400 They're told that there's all these problems and the liberals present themselves as a solution to a crisis.

00:18:51.980 And they did this during COVID.

00:18:53.640 They, you know, emphasized fear and emphasized the state as the only solution that could solve for that fear.

00:19:01.260 And for ideologues on the left, because the state always is the solution, crises that come along provide them with a great pretext for invoking the state as the solution, invoking their ideological presumptions as the solution.

00:19:13.940 So I think fear is partly manufactured in this case, and I think it's hitting those over the age of 60 particularly hard, and that's the cohort that's backing Mark Carney.

00:19:22.720 And so I think it's natural that younger people live for hope, you know, and I think it's natural that parents look at their kids and hope the best for them.

00:19:34.200 And I think it's natural that the elderly worry about their own security rightfully and they see what's gone wrong and they want to be told that there's a way forward and there's security.

00:19:45.280 And a lot of them depend on the government already for some of that security through pensions and other things.

00:19:49.640 And they they would look to somebody that they perceive to be, you know, well regarded with a strong resume, like a Mark Carney, who looks like a safe pair of hands.

00:19:58.400 And so I think Pierre's got to do some work to unlock a narrative of hope for those who are older and more worried about what the Donald Trump threat represents and how that that cohort has resulted in a shift from what was a landslide in the making for the conservatives only a few months ago to what's now a knife fight separated by a couple of points.

00:20:20.580 Absolutely.

00:20:21.120 Such a good point.

00:20:21.880 So just for the audience here, so we have the debate in the bottom corner.

00:20:25.700 This happened last night as well during the French debate where the leaders came out.

00:20:29.460 They took some photographs.

00:20:30.660 They all went to their lecterns.

00:20:32.100 And so it looked like it was starting, but we still have another eight minutes left.

00:20:34.760 So I presume it's going to be the same thing.

00:20:37.660 They're just posing for some photographs.

00:20:39.340 And then they're each going to go to their own stations.

00:20:42.580 And last night they were just sort of taking notes and they were just showing it.

00:20:46.260 and then you know it was overlaid with CBC commentary so we won't throw to it just yet

00:20:52.340 but we are keeping an eye on it and you know it's really interesting I think that the format

00:20:56.840 for tonight will be better than past debates it's moderated by Steve Pakin of TVO who is one of the

00:21:03.500 best journalists in the country and I don't like the legacy media and there's very few of them

00:21:07.600 that I would compliment but I think that Steve Pakin is very fair he's tough and he's no nonsense

00:21:13.360 sense. And he doesn't have a bias. He truly doesn't. I mean, everyone, everyone has a little

00:21:17.780 bit of a bias, I suppose, but he does a very good job of being fair. And so I'm looking forward to

00:21:23.500 that. I also think it's a good thing that the Green Party is not in the debate. I think it is

00:21:27.100 an absurdity. The way the rules were written, it was very specifically written so that the Green 0.95

00:21:33.160 Party would be allowed in, but the PPC party and Maxime Bernier would not be allowed in. And this

00:21:37.880 was during the last election cycle. So the requirements that they had were that you had

00:21:41.480 to have candidates in 90% of the ridings, that you had to have at least one MP, and that you had to

00:21:47.420 be polling at at least 4%. And so last time they did it that way, just to exclude Maxine Bernier,

00:21:53.960 which was not good. But this time, like, I'm happy that neither of them are there. I don't think that

00:21:58.300 the fringe candidates should be there. I wish that they would exclude Jagmeet Singh, because I just

00:22:01.720 don't think that he's ultra relevant at this point. Obviously, it depends on what happens. But

00:22:06.400 if you if you're looking at some of these polls, the NDP could get entirely wiped out. And even I

00:22:12.300 would I would even argue with Blanchett that that he's only running candidates in Quebec. So why is

00:22:17.460 he in the English debate? I don't I don't understand that. I would prefer a one on one

00:22:20.900 debate between Carney and Polyev. I think we all have criticisms of the debate commission. And I

00:22:26.720 want to play this clip because it's just so amusing. But the CBC was very up in arms over

00:22:31.960 last night, the fact that Juneau News and True North and Rebel were able to ask questions. So

00:22:36.960 CBC's David Cochran had the Leaders Debate Commissioner on his program today to grill him

00:22:44.020 to basically just say, how dare you allow those other people to ask questions? And it's just

00:22:50.540 sort of an interesting back and forth. So let's play that clip, please.

00:22:55.600 Will they be able to do what they did? Like, you know, Rebel News got as many questions as I think

00:22:59.580 CBC, Radio Canada, Press Canadian, and CTV or Global combined last night.

00:23:03.860 There were almost 50% of the questions, and some of them ventured into territory that really are not issues in this election campaign,

00:23:10.500 were not issues in that debate.

00:23:12.200 And I'm not saying reporters should be restricted in terms of what they ask,

00:23:15.220 but, you know, if the debate commission is going to organize these things, it didn't seem to have control on that last night, sir.

00:23:22.760 Well, we were learning from what happened last night,

00:23:25.740 and you'll see, hopefully, a fair representation tonight.

00:23:30.440 But didn't the same thing happen in 2021?

00:23:33.040 Like, I remember vividly at the museum in Gatineau

00:23:35.920 that the same sort of thing happened

00:23:38.640 with people stacking the microphones

00:23:40.000 and the questions is going in a totally different direction.

00:23:42.880 Well, there's only so much we can do

00:23:44.260 to control free speech, you know.

00:23:45.680 I understand that.

00:23:46.500 You got to understand that.

00:23:47.480 But, you know, lifeguards got to look after the pool, right?

00:23:49.500 And, you know, the debate commission was set up for this

00:23:52.140 and people are now calling for it to be completely scrapped

00:23:54.920 because of what we saw last night i i just wonder if you think uh there's a loss of public trust in

00:24:00.440 in the function of this organization i think the public will judge us on the debates themselves

00:24:08.920 so i mean this is just sort of hilarious like david cochran came across very petty

00:24:12.920 and small in that clip um the fact that he said that the rebel got more than the other people

00:24:18.200 combined how is that even true the the debate itself was hosted by radio canada right so like

00:24:22.840 Like they got the entire debate and this like he really is prodding saying you got to censor the speech that somehow you're not allowed to ask questions about topics that weren't included in the debate.

00:24:32.900 I would imagine the scrum is entirely for topics not included in the debate, right?

00:24:38.080 Like when the CBC journalist got up there and was just asking the same question of Jagmeet Singh that had literally already been talked about in the debate about the costing of their platform.

00:24:46.020 It's like, why are you wasting our time? At least Juneau News and True North and The Rebel were asking interesting questions that Canadians do want to know whether or not the CBC likes it or not.

00:24:57.520 It's a loss of ideological control by the state-run broadcaster.

00:25:01.440 You know, they're living in a, it's funny watching a guy who lives in a business model from the 1970s sort of dialing into a modern age, right?

00:25:11.480 they're frustrated if they don't have control over the narrative they don't have control over

00:25:15.760 the questions they can feel it slipping away his frustration is probably more political and

00:25:19.960 partisan than it is you know principled in the sense that why would he why would he be bothered

00:25:25.180 that independent media had a chance to ask interesting questions i believe what he's

00:25:29.600 truly bothered about is the fact those questions touched on sacred issues that have a politically

00:25:34.880 correct motif and framing in the public broadcasting world and these people are fearless

00:25:40.840 There were fearless questions asked about the topics that everybody in Canada actually talks about around the kitchen table and only in the media world where there's sort of this explicit framing that's not permitting people to perceive that it's OK to say, let's ask some harder questions about this residential school hoax issue that we ran into.

00:26:00.900 Or let's ask some harder questions about what's actually happening with the transgenderism issue and what that means for girls in sports and girls in safe places.

00:26:08.840 let's ask some questions i can tell you right now i after we talked about the debate and i went i

00:26:14.320 joined uh i had dinner with some people at dinner party and you know not everybody has the same

00:26:19.180 politics and people were all about those questions that were asked by the independent media all about

00:26:25.940 it that's what people wanted to talk about people did not want to talk anymore about donald trump

00:26:31.140 or whether he's a good guy bad guy in between right not interested people really want to talk

00:26:35.480 about girls and boys in sports and what the limits were on a guy deciding he's a girl and

00:26:40.780 that he's therefore allowed to play with the advantages of you know all the biological

00:26:44.900 advantages that was the conversation and almost immediately after i got there and said oh i was

00:26:49.140 following the debate and having a conversation uh with candace malcolm mangino you know people

00:26:54.280 really care about those issues they were glad that question was asked and these are not people

00:26:58.180 that are uniform politically these are people that have dot you know guy there's two daughters

00:27:03.420 and one son and uh you know they're all athletes and this is a burning question for a lot of people

00:27:09.800 who have daughters in sports because it feels deeply unfair to them and they have to deal with

00:27:14.560 it and that question got asked now jagmeet singh didn't like that question jagmeet singh is done

00:27:20.660 politically by the way i posted a note on this i think i think the way he responded to independent

00:27:25.540 media was was uh terrible and it uh it was beneath his office and beneath the status what he should

00:27:32.460 you know, as a politician. But CBC is scared to death of what happens next if Pierre Paliyev wins

00:27:38.560 because the game is up. The 1970s business model of depending on taxpayers to have to pay to be

00:27:44.800 told what the Pravda-style politically correct viewpoints that are permissible from the state

00:27:51.500 are anymore. That's over. And I thought that actually the debate commissioner did a good

00:27:58.740 job of responding to that by emphasizing free speech yeah i agree kind of ironically but uh

00:28:04.660 okay folks we have we had the two minute warning now we've got the one minute warning so we're

00:28:08.740 watching the screen we have to look out for pierre polyev i do believe he's going to come much harder

00:28:14.980 and much stronger against carney than he did last night watch for the three leaders to sort of team

00:28:20.340 up on carney watch for questions about conflicts of interest interestingly when they were talking

00:28:24.740 about housing last night carney mentioned a company that brookfield owns a 51 share in

00:28:29.460 so i think that the conflict of interest question will come up i think that mark carney's residency

00:28:34.260 will come up i think that there's a lot a lot at play here and okay we're going to switch to

00:28:38.900 the intro and we'll be back after the debate folks enjoy

00:28:48.500 they will debate the major challenges facing our country from tariffs to the cost of living

00:28:53.540 public safety energy and leading in a crisis good evening everybody i'm steve pakin your moderator

00:29:00.180 for tonight's debate each leader has agreed to the following no notes answer the questions stay on

00:29:07.300 theme stay on time how much each leader speaks will be counted on these clocks visible to the

00:29:13.940 leaders and to you at home this is the 2025 federal leaders debate

00:29:23.540 well welcome leaders good to be with you here tonight in Montreal for what I'm sure will be

00:29:29.140 a memorable evening our first theme is tariffs and threats to Canada and we will begin with a

00:29:34.740 round of questions you will each have a minute to answer and then we'll go to open debate and

00:29:39.320 the first question goes to Mr Carney okay what is the starting point for negotiations Mr Carney

00:29:45.800 with the United States if as you have stated our relationship with the U.S. is over as we know it

00:29:53.580 Well, first, Steve, may I thank you and also thank fellow leaders for their service to Canada, people at home for taking the time to watch.

00:30:01.860 I just want to underscore the premise to your question, because I think the relationship that we've had with the United States relationship over the course of almost the last four decades,

00:30:10.040 which has been one of steadying, increasing integration, has fundamentally changed because the president is looking to fundamentally restructure the trading system.

00:30:18.160 So the starting point has to be one of strength.

00:30:21.920 It has to show that we have control of our own economic destiny, has to have a clear plan here at home to build this economy, to diversify our trading partners with like-minded countries, and also has to have a position of strength in terms of our reaction to the U.S. unjustified tariffs.

00:30:43.200 And that's why we have put in place counter tariffs that have maximum impact in the United States and minimum impact here at home.

00:30:51.420 Mr. Poliev, would you do anything differently?

00:30:54.640 Well, first of all, thank you, Steve, and thank you to our fellow contestants here today.

00:31:00.000 It's an honor to be here.

00:31:01.760 What would I do different?

00:31:03.160 Well, I'll start by what I would do the same.

00:31:05.240 I think we do need to counter the American tariffs with our own to deter this economic aggression.

00:31:11.600 We must make clear that we will always be sovereign and independent.

00:31:14.380 What would I be doing differently?

00:31:16.920 Well, we need to be in a position of strength.

00:31:20.580 The Liberal government has weakened our economy with anti-energy laws, red tape, and high taxes

00:31:26.020 that have driven $500 billion out of our country into the United States

00:31:29.940 and made us incapable of shipping our resources overseas.

00:31:35.420 That weakness threatens our ability to stand up for ourselves.

00:31:38.840 So what would I do? I would cut taxes, red tape, and approve our resource projects

00:31:44.480 so that we can get our goods to market and bring home the jobs

00:31:48.760 So we stand up to President Trump from a position of strength.

00:31:53.440 Mr. Singh, you get the next question.

00:31:55.160 Can we trust the United States to work with us on matters such as Arctic sovereignty and defense policy?

00:32:00.880 I think we've seen, first of all, good evening, everyone, and thank you for tuning in.

00:32:05.020 And thanks for the question, Steve.

00:32:06.620 We've seen what, for a lot of people, feels like a betrayal when we look at the United States.

00:32:11.220 I grew up in a border town, I grew up in Windsor, and we saw how connected we were as a city and as a community.

00:32:17.740 People lived on one side of the border, worked on the other.

00:32:20.480 People traveled back and forth all the time.

00:32:22.940 We're in the automotive capital of Canada,

00:32:24.920 and we knew how important it was to be able to build cars in Canada,

00:32:28.860 but we saw that those cars went back and forth across the border.

00:32:32.180 Seeing what Donald Trump did to attack Canada in this unprovoked way

00:32:36.220 without any justification really felt like a betrayal.

00:32:39.500 And so Canadians now are right to say, 0.97

00:32:41.080 well, we don't really trust Donald Trump at this point,

00:32:43.700 and we can't really have a lot of faith in him.

00:32:45.400 So when it comes to our Arctic sovereignty and our security, we need to make decisions that are in our best interest and no longer be so dependent and so reliant on the U.S.

00:32:54.540 And that's what I would advocate for, making sure we are resilient, independent, and less dependent on the United States.

00:33:00.740 Monsieur Blanchet, for you, what supports would you want to see for industries affected by tariffs, many, of course, of which are in Quebec?

00:33:08.260 Many of them.

00:33:09.000 First, we all welcome in Quebec and Montreal.

00:33:12.420 You have me because I try not to speak English in Montreal.

00:33:15.400 However, I think we should never underestimate the threat that Mr. Trump poses on Quebec economy and Canada economy and Mexico economy.

00:33:25.020 But we must acknowledge the fact that the economy of Quebec is built differently.

00:33:31.100 The challenges are not the same.

00:33:33.300 The necessity for Quebec to have at least partly its own voice in the negotiation is important.

00:33:38.880 The difference between Quebec and Canada is very important in terms of economy, but also in terms of identity and language and values and who we are and the way we want to handle immigration.

00:33:50.520 So we have the right to be different.

00:33:53.440 And if this difference is being respected by whoever becomes prime minister of Canada, we will be reliable partners in order to achieve the best possible negotiation and protect ourselves and our economies as partners.

00:34:06.820 Merci, Monsieur Blanchet.

00:34:07.980 Okay, we now move into open debate, and I'll start it off, Mr. Carney, with you, and then we go from there.

00:34:13.600 Do you still support dollar-for-dollar tariffs, even if they ultimately threaten Canadian jobs and businesses?

00:34:21.440 No, and in fact, we've already moved off from dollar.

00:34:27.080 We'll do. The United States economy is more than 10 times the size of the Canadian economy.

00:34:31.340 And the principle, in terms of our counter tariffs, is to have maximum impact in the United States, as I said a moment ago, minimum impact here.

00:34:39.660 So we have to think about the impact on Canadian businesses.

00:34:43.200 I'll give you one example, if I may.

00:34:44.940 In the auto sector, the way we've designed those auto tariffs is that Canadian automakers, if they maintain production here, if they maintain their investments here,

00:34:55.840 When I say Canadian automakers, I mean automakers that have jobs and plants and production in Canada.

00:35:01.140 Then they can have lower tariffs on what they ship to the United States.

00:35:06.260 We create a huge incentive for them in order to do that.

00:35:08.960 We also have carved out the Canadian auto parts sector.

00:35:12.640 Last point, I know you're pressed for time.

00:35:14.740 The Canadian auto parts sector so that it can remain competitive with the United States.

00:35:19.380 We're focused on maximizing Canadian jobs, maximizing the harm in the U.S., so that we get them where we need them.

00:35:25.660 Mr. Poliet, if you want in, then Mr. Singh.

00:35:27.780 Mr. Carney, you claim that you want our country to respond with strength, but after the last decade, half of which time you've been Justin Trudeau's economic advisor, our economy is weaker than ever before.

00:35:43.340 It's been the worst growth in the G7.

00:35:45.040 We've lost a half trillion dollars of investment south of the border.

00:35:48.080 You supported blocking pipelines in Canada that gave Donald Trump and the U.S. a near monopoly

00:35:55.860 over our energy. And now you want to keep in place Bill C-69, the liberal no new development law

00:36:05.480 that blocks us from shipping our resources overseas. How could you possibly think it's a

00:36:11.900 good idea to give the Americans a continued monopoly on our energy projects when you have 0.94

00:36:18.480 seen how much these liberal policies have weakened our country over the last decade? Let Mr. Carney

00:36:24.720 respond and then Mr. Singh. Sure, sure. If I may, yes. So let's go to my record. My record is a month

00:36:30.900 long as prime minister. And this goes to the heart of coming to the Americans with strength, but doing

00:36:35.680 the right thing for Canada. Within the first week as prime minister, I sat down with all the premiers

00:36:40.680 of the provinces and territories as well as the leaders of the indigenous peoples got an agreement

00:36:46.760 with all the provinces and territories doesn't happen very often got an agreement for them

00:36:50.520 to have one canadian economy instead of 13 first point secondly to commit the federal government

00:36:55.920 to do its part by canada day so free trade in canada by canada day thirdly the federal government

00:37:01.660 to commit with respect to project the question was about i'm getting to it the thirdly one project

00:37:08.300 one review and relying relying that's on provincial yes it is possible and it is possible on our

00:37:14.300 system uh it is uh the impact assessment it is it is agreed on under uh the impact assessment

00:37:20.540 framework and we have a cooperation agreement with british columbia already we're looking forward to

00:37:24.940 them with the other promises we will move forward of course we agree around having a strategic

00:37:31.900 response united states but what i'm concerned about is what we're doing here in canada we are

00:37:36.780 already seeing threats to our country in that just the threats alone of the tariffs have made

00:37:41.680 Canadians have lost their jobs. The threats of the tariffs that are in pace right now, the impact

00:37:46.620 of those tariffs is that we've lost jobs in steel, aluminum, and the auto sector. People are already

00:37:52.120 losing their jobs. And while Mr. Carney, you had time, as you mentioned, not very long time, but as

00:37:57.240 Prime Minister, you showed us your priorities. The first thing you did is you had traveled, you made

00:38:02.420 a tax cut for billion, millionaires, which was reversing on the capital gains.

00:38:06.080 So you give a tax cut to millionaires.

00:38:08.420 But you didn't have time to increase the amount that workers get on EI.

00:38:12.580 Right now, workers who are struggling and wondering, what am I going to do if I lose

00:38:17.300 my job?

00:38:18.300 Workers who've lost their job are saying, how do I pay my bills when EI only covers

00:38:22.520 half of a worker's salary?

00:38:24.480 Maybe 40 years ago, that would have worked.

00:38:26.020 But right now, most workers are spending their entire salary just to pay the bills, to pay

00:38:30.840 their mortgage and their rents and to put food on the table. So EI is not good enough and it shows

00:38:35.720 Canadians that you didn't make it a priority to protect those that are impacted by these tariffs

00:38:40.840 that are a threat because their jobs are lost. We have not heard from Monsieur Blanchet yet in this

00:38:44.760 segment, so please. Yeah, Mr. Carney, you are becoming a real Canadian leader saying one thing

00:38:49.640 in French and another one in English. You said in British Columbia in February that you would force

00:38:56.280 oil and gas through pipelines through quebec either we wanted it or not you would use emergency

00:39:03.240 powers in order to do so and two days later in montreal you said that you would never do that

00:39:08.760 without the approval of quebec what's the point of using emergency powers if you do have the

00:39:15.320 agreement of quebec however i do agree with you it's important to be very strong in front of mr

00:39:21.400 However, I would keep the dollar for dollar policy.

00:39:26.400 Don't be weak in front of Mr. Trump.

00:39:29.400 And those counter tariffs have to be targeted.

00:39:34.400 You have put out already two billions of dollars

00:39:37.400 for Ontario auto industry, car industry,

00:39:40.400 and the lumberwood industry in Quebec

00:39:43.400 has already paid to the United States two billions of dollars,

00:39:46.400 and you have not raised one finger in order to help us.

00:39:50.400 us. Let's get from Mr. Polyev and then a response from Mr. Carney. Well, Mr. Carney refused to

00:39:55.920 answer the question about pipelines. Just the other day, he said that he doesn't necessarily

00:40:00.980 think we need to build pipelines. Let me tell you what that means. Right now, the Americans get 97%

00:40:07.380 of our oil, 100% of our natural gas exports at big discounts. We have to send Canadian oil from

00:40:13.940 Western Canada through the states just to get it back to Quebec because we don't have a pipeline.

00:40:18.200 And now there's this law, Liberal Law C-69, which effectively bans pipelines.

00:40:24.660 The 14 biggest energy and resource companies say it has to go if we're ever going to build another project.

00:40:31.020 And I asked Mr. Carney why he would keep in place this anti-pipeline law that effectively empowers Donald Trump to have a total monopoly on our single biggest export.

00:40:43.680 Why would you not repeal this Liberal Law?

00:40:46.480 isn't it because you are exactly in the same line as Justin Trudeau

00:40:51.860 and the rest of the liberal team that is now making up your cabinet?

00:40:56.160 Let's get a response.

00:40:57.000 Well, let me pick up a couple of points that have been made.

00:40:59.420 The first thing I did as prime minister was to cut the carbon tax.

00:41:03.160 That's the first thing.

00:41:04.040 Second thing is made a commitment that all proceeds,

00:41:08.200 all proceeds from our tariffs will go to workers and those companies.

00:41:12.380 The question was about pipelines.

00:41:13.100 There were several points.

00:41:14.260 It means nothing so far.

00:41:15.200 If I may, if Mr. Steve, if I may redress, I'm trying to do it quickly because several points

00:41:19.600 raised. All proceeds go to workers and the firm's most effective. And those proceeds are considerable.

00:41:25.980 Third thing, I'm interested in solutions. I'm interested in getting energy infrastructure

00:41:31.060 built. That means pipelines. That means carbon capture storage. That means electricity grids.

00:41:35.400 And here's how you do it. And we've already moved in the first month. Cooperation agreements with

00:41:40.940 the provinces. Guess what? We are a federation. You need to cooperate with Quebec. You need to

00:41:44.840 cooperate with the provinces. You need to get First Nations and Indigenous people buy-in. You 0.94

00:41:49.460 can do that through the one project, one review window that we put in place at that first

00:41:55.960 minister's meeting, as well as, if necessary, using emergency powers to fulfill the federal

00:42:01.800 responsibility, but not the unique responsibility. Mr. Poliev, you want to come back on that?

00:42:04.960 What you're saying, Mr. Carney, with respect, is a total contradiction. The no-due development

00:42:11.020 law c69 guarantees there will not be one stop shop because it requires the government of canada

00:42:17.580 to actually duplicate the same project no regulation have one stop shop over any energy

00:42:27.980 let's just let him finish his sentence that is not true in fact mr saying the reality is we should

00:42:32.700 have strong rules enforced once we shouldn't have multiple levels that takes it takes now 17 years

00:42:40.780 to get a major project approved in this country that is why in the last 10 years we've had the

00:42:47.100 worst economic growth in our in in the entire pipeline we cannot afford a fourth liberal term 0.78

00:42:54.700 we need a change and the conservative plan for change will include repealing the anti-pipeline

00:42:59.740 law so we can get our amount energy to markets other than the united mr singh and mr card while

00:43:04.220 these two compete about who's more pro-pipeline i think what we need to do is i mean it's clear

00:43:08.540 the liberals bought a pipeline they built a pipeline i don't know what pierre is complaining

00:43:12.220 about that's what they did i think what we need to do if we're talking about energy in our country

00:43:16.780 we need to build an east-west grid let's use our power as a nation to build a national project

00:43:22.460 that creates good jobs that strengthens us for the future where we connect the low cost energy

00:43:27.980 from jurisdictions and provinces across this beautiful land and have low cost energy for

00:43:32.780 businesses for people so we can build a stronger economy that's the energy of the future that we

00:43:37.420 we need. Mr. Carney. Three quick points. First, the pipeline built, yes, TMX built. That's why

00:43:44.140 oil exports up 50% over the course of the last few years. Secondly, Mr. Singh is absolutely

00:43:50.860 right about the east-west grid. Grid interconnections, which is part of the energy

00:43:54.300 corridor, huge opportunities for this country. We have to be able to do more than one thing.

00:43:59.160 Third point, fundamental point. We can give ourselves far more than Donald Trump can ever

00:44:04.380 take away. If we have one Canadian economy, not 13, and if we just look at that agreement we got

00:44:09.780 with the provinces, look at what Ontario and Nova Scotia have just announced in terms of their

00:44:14.180 steps towards this, this is within our grasp. Monsieur Blanchet, what should we be prepared to

00:44:19.980 concede in our negotiations with the United States? I want to be back to something that

00:44:26.040 Mr. Carney said. You can't do something and de-opposite, and you can't fill people's mind

00:44:31.820 with nonsense. Quebec as a review institution, and you cannot, through a federal decision,

00:44:43.080 even through a Quebec government decision, go over the BAP, as we call it. If the BAP

00:44:50.220 says no, it's no. I know. I know. Let's keep that in mind. This is the point. This is,

00:44:58.220 If I may, this is the point.

00:45:00.500 The federal government can do the following,

00:45:02.820 which is to take the decision

00:45:04.180 to abide by the decision of the Quebec back.

00:45:08.440 That is within the federal government's power.

00:45:10.120 That is known as cooperative federalism.

00:45:12.540 That's what we need to do.

00:45:13.540 And do you understand one other point fast?

00:45:14.940 This is what we need to do in a crisis.

00:45:18.500 We have Moïse, and then Mr. Pallier.

00:45:22.020 The building of those pipelines

00:45:24.060 will take at least, at least 10 to 14 years.

00:45:30.260 Mr. Trump will be 90 years old, not president, no more.

00:45:36.560 And somebody, of course, less terrible will be there

00:45:40.040 before you can even dream of having oil through this pipeline of yours.

00:45:45.200 We're less than a minute to go, Mr. Paliyev.

00:45:46.840 I promised you next.

00:45:48.320 Listen, after the last 10 years of liberals blocking pipelines

00:45:52.880 and killing jobs, we actually need to get things done. We need to change. And our conservative

00:46:00.580 plan for change will repeal the no new pipelines law. It will create a true one-stop shop, set up

00:46:07.360 shovel-ready zones with pre-permitting so that we can approve LNG liquefaction export plants,

00:46:13.900 mines pipelines uh nuclear plants and also hydroelectric dams so that we can generate the

00:46:22.500 power we need to be strong self-reliant and stand on our own two feet for change last quick word to

00:46:29.240 mr carney okay quick word bringing it back to what we're talking about which is tariffs the

00:46:33.440 threats to canada how to negotiate we need these options we need these options to build domestically

00:46:39.580 to build one Canadian economy.

00:46:41.600 We need to act.

00:46:42.440 We need to diversify our trade partners.

00:46:43.760 And that is our time in this segment.

00:46:45.500 That is our time.

00:46:46.320 Okay, you know my job tonight.

00:46:47.460 I've got to be the heavy guy here every now and then,

00:46:49.440 making sure everybody comes to time.

00:46:50.840 And I'm keeping an eye as well on making sure

00:46:53.120 that everybody gets rough justice over here.

00:46:55.120 That concludes our first section and our first debate.

00:46:57.980 Up next, affordability and the cost of living.

00:47:03.460 Our goal is to double the pace of housing construction.

00:47:07.400 You will lower your bills, build homes.

00:47:09.040 You can actually afford a big, powerful bring it home tax cut on work, investment, energy and home building.

00:47:25.580 OK, leaders, same idea.

00:47:27.160 One on one questions followed by open debate format.

00:47:29.580 And Mr. Polly, have you get the first question this time?

00:47:32.160 Many provinces, including some provinces with conservative governments, have ambitious housing targets, none of which have been met.

00:47:39.040 Why do you think your housing plan will be any different?

00:47:42.320 Let me start by talking to the young people of the nation and those who are aspiring to homeownership.

00:47:48.720 You know, it was only 10 years ago.

00:47:50.700 You could buy an average house for $450,000.

00:47:54.720 But in the last lost liberal decade, housing costs have doubled, rising faster than in any country in the G7.

00:48:02.960 And so now our youth cannot afford a home and our seniors are worried about being evicted.

00:48:07.720 We can't afford a fourth liberal term of rising housing costs.

00:48:11.140 We need a change.

00:48:12.140 And our conservative plan for change will, one, axe the federal sales tax on new homes.

00:48:18.760 Two, incentivize municipalities to cut their construction taxes to bring houses down in

00:48:24.940 costs by $100,000.

00:48:26.800 Three, sell off federal land for homes.

00:48:29.640 And four, train up 350,000 young trades workers who can help build those homes.

00:48:36.040 because you deserve a home and we're going to make it happen for a change.

00:48:40.880 Also on the issue of affordability, Mr. Singh, you've got the next question.

00:48:43.820 How do you bring down grocery prices in the midst of a trade war?

00:48:47.980 I appreciate the question. This is a big concern.

00:48:51.280 When I talk to Canadians, they tell me they're really feeling squeezed from the cost of living.

00:48:56.080 That's one of the top things that people tell me about.

00:48:58.380 People are saying, I can't afford to buy groceries.

00:49:00.480 every time i go to the grocery store it's just ongoing worry and and this feeling of anxiety

00:49:06.640 that can i actually afford the things that my family needs on top of that people are worried

00:49:09.920 about the cost of homes i think those are the two biggest things i hear so we we can do things about

00:49:14.240 this other countries have taken concrete steps we can put in a price cap on food essentials

00:49:19.440 france has done it greece has done it to great success it's brought down the cost of food

00:49:23.440 significantly in both those jurisdictions we can also ban corporate landlords from buying up the

00:49:28.000 affordable homes to keep homes that are affordable affordable we can make things better for canadians

00:49:33.600 but it requires having the courage to take on the powerful corporations that are ripping you off that

00:49:39.040 are price gouging you and we know that price gouging is one of the major reasons why food

00:49:43.280 prices are going up you're never going to hear pierre pauliev or mr carney talk about the fact

00:49:47.840 that these are the corporations thank you mr singh that's time mr blanchet i want to ask you

00:49:51.680 about old age security which will soon cost this country a hundred billion dollars annually we

00:49:56.960 understand you would like to expand it how would you pay for that we would want it to be just for

00:50:02.080 everybody because the liberals have created the discrimination against elders which are 65 to 75

00:50:08.800 years old having 10 percent less income from federal government than those who are over 75 but

00:50:15.760 the best way to do it is to have everybody pay its fair share in terms of tax which means that one

00:50:22.240 should not be entitled to hide money in fiscal paradise in order not to pay him or his clients

00:50:29.840 or friends not to pay billions of dollars in taxes that could be used to help the situation of elders

00:50:38.640 those are things which are supposed to be applied applied to i'm sorry applied to everybody there

00:50:43.600 are a lot of questions to be answered about that other ways to do it is to reduce the pressure on

00:50:50.320 housing price to make sure that the whole budget of elders and families and workers can afford

00:50:58.160 houses which have increased dramatically that's time for this one mr carney want to ask you about

00:51:04.720 housing which over the past decade has gone from a problem to a crisis while the liberals were in

00:51:10.960 power is your policy on getting homes built any different from your predecessors and how uh this

00:51:17.600 is one of the reasons why i entered this uh this contest uh because of the housing crisis the cost

00:51:23.680 of living crisis the housing crisis and the trump crisis to help to help fix it um and i would look

00:51:29.440 the housing approach is fundamentally different because we need a fundamentally different approach

00:51:33.920 we need to build housing at a rate that we haven't seen since the end of the second world war we do

00:51:40.240 need a fundamentally different approach and be and with the fundamentally different approach we can

00:51:44.160 build an entirely new industry so the question is how now mr polyev and i agree on some things okay

00:51:50.320 i agree as well on reducing the tax on first-time home purchases as a way to buy but i am focused

00:51:57.520 on increasing the supply of homes and doing that in a way that uses canadian technology and modular

00:52:04.560 prefabricated housing that uses canadian lumber including in reinforced timber and uses canadian

00:52:11.200 workers and in all respects we're scaling up to double the rate of home building thank you mr

00:52:17.440 carney that's time we now move to open forum here and mr singh you get the first comment

00:52:22.160 many of you have pledged to cut the gst on many aspects of buying a home and mr singh i want to

00:52:27.440 ask you would you cut the gst on anything else in order to make life more affordable absolutely in

00:52:32.160 fact i'm the only one on this stage that fought to give people a gst holiday interestingly while

00:52:37.200 While the GSD holiday helps working class folks, middle class folks, by taking off the GSD off essentials, the conservatives under Pierre Polyev voted against that.

00:52:46.260 They oppose the idea of giving people, actual folks that need help, a tax break and would rather give millionaires a tax break.

00:52:52.860 Which shows you whose side he's on, which is not surprising.

00:52:55.740 But what is surprising is that Mr. Carney also said that giving people a break on their GSD is a bad idea.

00:53:00.640 Mr. Carney, why do you think giving a tax break to capital gains folks that earn more

00:53:05.840 than a million dollars is a good idea, but helping a family afford their groceries, helping

00:53:10.820 people afford their bills for their internet, their cell phone, their home heating, giving

00:53:14.860 them relief to take the GST off of those is a bad idea, but giving a tax break to people

00:53:19.580 who really only earn over more than $1.4 million, that's somehow a good idea.

00:53:24.440 Okay, you went after Mr. Paglia first, so I'm going to give him the first shot to respond.

00:53:29.040 Well, Mr. Carney, the reality is that housing costs doubled under the liberal government.

00:53:34.760 While Justin Trudeau made exactly the same promises that you are now repeating today,

00:53:40.680 he promised that he would double home building.

00:53:43.520 In fact, home building went down.

00:53:45.380 He promised that he reduced the cost.

00:53:47.020 In fact, it went up.

00:53:47.940 And here we are.

00:53:49.520 Mark Carney is asking for a fourth liberal term, repeating the exact same liberal promises

00:53:55.300 that priced you out of a house.

00:53:57.440 Just a few weeks ago, before the election, the Liberals voted against taking the GST off new homes, and they have continued to build up bureaucracies that block construction.

00:54:08.280 We need a change so that you can afford a home.

00:54:10.640 And our change will be, again, to axe the sales tax on new homes, incentivize municipalities to speed up permits, free up land, and cut development costs,

00:54:20.040 train up 350,000 young people who can be in the trades to build those homes and sell off the land 0.99

00:54:25.800 that is going to be needed in order to build homes. That is a real plan, a real plan for you

00:54:31.720 to own a home and afford your life for a change. Mr. Carney, they're coming at you from both

00:54:36.300 sides. What do you say? Okay. I know it may be difficult, Mr. Polyev. You spent years running

00:54:42.420 against Justin Trudeau and the carbon tax and neither, they're both gone. Okay. They're both

00:54:47.020 gone. And we're in a very different. Look, I'm a very different person from Justin Trudeau.

00:54:55.300 Focus is on results. And so how to drive results in the housing market. You've got to change the

00:55:02.820 model of building. You've got to increase the financing for housing developers. $25 billion

00:55:09.220 on the table for those housing developers. $10 billion for deeply affordable homes.

00:55:13.840 cutting development charges in half,

00:55:17.260 lowering the cost of the building of those homes by 20%,

00:55:21.240 and lowering the emissions and the run costs of those homes by another 20%.

00:55:27.260 This is how you drive affordability.

00:55:29.540 This is how you bring young people back into the houses. 1.00

00:55:32.500 You claim to be very different from Mr. Trudeau.

00:55:38.520 Now, the point is to show that you are any better than Mr. Trudeau.

00:55:42.480 You claim to have a lot of experience in many things, and you know things.

00:55:47.980 Last time we had somebody saying that they knew things, it was the senators,

00:55:51.940 and they killed the law that protected supply management

00:55:55.520 because they knew better than us and were elected by nobody,

00:55:58.640 exactly like you are today.

00:56:01.000 You say that you are a great crisis manager.

00:56:04.620 Which one? I heard of nothing.

00:56:06.660 As far as I know, Brexit happened, even if you were against it.

00:56:10.580 You say you are a great negotiator.

00:56:13.580 What have you negotiated but fiscal paradises

00:56:16.880 in Bermudas or Cayman Islands?

00:56:19.780 You have to prove something

00:56:21.160 and you have to reveal what you own in those companies

00:56:25.260 if you want people to believe you.

00:56:27.400 Mr. Singh, you wanted him.

00:56:28.460 Yes, returning to the topic of housing.

00:56:30.160 Now, it's very important.

00:56:31.200 Obviously, we need to build homes that people can afford. 0.98

00:56:33.900 Mr. Paliyev had the opportunity to show us what he could do.

00:56:36.700 He was the minister of housing under Stephen Harper.

00:56:39.800 during that time guess how many homes he built he built six homes during that entire time this is

00:56:45.080 not something you can trust to build homes he built 200 000 200 this has been confirmed again

00:56:49.960 and again here 200 six homes that's it now the problem though with mr carney as well he's laid

00:56:55.240 out a plan the problem is is that when he was the chair of brookville investments this is a company

00:57:00.440 that made a strategic decision to buy up affordable homes in cities like toronto where people were

00:57:06.440 paying a decent rent and they purposely bought those homes kicked out the tenants and jacked up

00:57:12.200 the rents that is not someone you can trust sadly to deal with the housing crisis when mr carney

00:57:17.240 you profited off of it we're going to get responses here mr paulia first mr carney second

00:57:22.200 first of all uh mr saying hold this up to remind you the toronto star the toronto star debunked

00:57:27.000 your false it was six homes and i appreciate neither liberals or ndp are very good with math

00:57:31.640 But in that year, the year I was the minister, we had 200,000 homes built.

00:57:41.960 And guess what the average price of a home was at the time?

00:57:45.060 $450,000.

00:57:46.200 And guess what happened at the end of the consumer rate?

00:57:47.960 And one bedroom is rented out for $900.

00:57:51.540 And since that time, housing costs have actually doubled under the liberals.

00:57:55.420 And now we have Mr. Carney making tens of billions of dollars

00:58:00.580 of spending promises that will ultimately continue to build bureaucracy. We don't need

00:58:05.860 more bureaucracy in Ottawa. We tried that for 10 liberal years, Mr. Carney. What we need is to

00:58:11.780 build homes in communities. And that means taxing taxes on home building and getting the government

00:58:16.860 out of the way so that builders can actually build. Mr. Carney, you are on housing. We need a change

00:58:22.600 and you, sir, are not a change. Mark Carney. I'm going to pick up on, I thought that answer was

00:58:28.280 quite revealing. The first thing is that it's an attitude towards housing that absolutely ignores

00:58:34.640 affordable housing, deeply affordable housing, issues with vulnerable people, ignores the rental

00:58:39.620 market, ignores all other aspects of it. So the six are the relevant. Mr. Singh is absolutely

00:58:45.840 right. The six are the relevant. 200,000. The 200,000 are a different part of the housing market.

00:58:51.240 There are many Canadians. There are many Canadians at different income levels. The second thing it

00:58:57.100 reveals is a misunderstanding or, well, a misunderstanding, I'll be polite, of how the

00:59:05.920 government's balance sheet can catalyze enormous private investment. And that is what we need to

00:59:12.120 do to solve the housing crisis. It happens to be what we need to do as a whole to address the

00:59:18.220 economic crisis that's been forced on us by President Trump. Mr. Blanchet? Yeah, you have

00:59:25.160 spoken much more than I have, so I won't ask a question. I will make a statement instead.

00:59:30.200 I'm not saying no. I'm not saying that you cannot do what you pretend that you are able to do. We

00:59:34.600 just have no proof so far. I'm saying quite clearly that you cannot be entitled to do it alone.

00:59:41.240 You cannot be entitled to hold all the power in your two hands. You cannot go out there and fix

00:59:47.720 things for Canada and Quebec without being seriously checked by serious people. You cannot

00:59:54.360 go out there and speak for quebec without quebec having its own strong voice to protect itself and

01:00:01.800 to promote its different economy so if you want to collaborate let's say right now that whatever

01:00:07.240 happens even if minority government government happens you will be a partner with the different

01:00:13.800 quebec economy and identity which you have been not interested in for the economic part and

01:00:21.880 uh not respectful for the identity let me get mr singing at this point can you tell us what's the

01:00:27.000 first thing you would do to make life more affordable for canadians there's a lot of things

01:00:31.160 that we can do and i've laid out some of those things i think fundamentally i'm the only person

01:00:35.080 on stage that not only fought for real relief for people in terms of affordability i'm the only one

01:00:39.640 that fought for pharmacare that actually makes life more affordable by giving people medication

01:00:43.720 coverage dental care that gives people more affordability by letting them access their

01:00:48.520 services if you're a senior and a kid i fought for child care to make sure people could afford

01:00:52.600 child care all measures that mr paulia voted against all measures that mr blanchet voted

01:00:58.360 against so if you want someone that's going to fight for you in ottawa to actually make life

01:01:02.040 more affordable you can't entrust all the power to mr carney doesn't have a track record of making

01:01:07.720 life more affordable for people but we do so vote for a new democrat and we'll continue this work

01:01:12.280 to make life more affordable for you while the conservatives and the bloc have voted against

01:01:16.600 those measures to make life affordable because that's not who they care about. You Democrats

01:01:20.280 are in it for you. Pierre Polyev. The number one expense for families today is taxes, more

01:01:26.340 than they spend on food, clothing, and shelter combined. This after 10 years of liberal tax

01:01:32.360 increases, we can't afford a fourth term of high liberal taxes. That's why conservatives have a 0.97

01:01:38.740 plan for change. And that plan includes cutting income taxes by 15% for the average worker

01:01:46.500 and seniors, saving a working couple up to $2,000, rewarding hard work again.

01:01:51.940 Because hard work is actually being punished because of the very high taxes.

01:01:59.100 Now, the Liberals promised 10 years ago they would lower them.

01:02:02.140 They actually raised taxes on 9 out of 10 Canadians.

01:02:05.660 We need a change in this country because your hard work should once again pay off

01:02:11.060 with a powerful paycheck that buys you an affordable home on a safe street.

01:02:16.220 and that's what we will deliver.

01:02:17.680 You're going to save people $2,000

01:02:18.700 but cut their dental care,

01:02:20.200 which is thousands of dollars.

01:02:21.420 Cut their child care,

01:02:22.300 which is thousands of dollars.

01:02:23.620 Cut pharma care coverage,

01:02:24.880 which is thousands of dollars.

01:02:26.000 That's not a very good math deal right there.

01:02:27.980 You're going to cut,

01:02:28.580 you're going to save people $2,000

01:02:29.620 but cost them tens of thousands of dollars.

01:02:32.160 That's why you cannot afford conservatives

01:02:33.740 and you certainly can't trust the liberals

01:02:35.380 on their own.

01:02:36.280 You need new Democrats.

01:02:37.240 Mark Kearney.

01:02:38.080 I'm going to reinforce that point

01:02:40.020 and then I'll respond to Mr. Blanchet.

01:02:43.500 Child care in this country,

01:02:44.740 $3,000 to $10,000.

01:02:46.220 a year for a family, depending on where you live.

01:02:48.960 Province jurisdiction.

01:02:51.220 Depending on where you live, that's what's being saved there.

01:02:54.420 $800 per trip to the dentist.

01:02:56.800 We have expanded dental care to 8 million Canadians.

01:03:00.220 8 million Canadians.

01:03:01.380 Because do Democrats in there.

01:03:02.020 Pharmacare.

01:03:02.720 These are fundamental issues for affordability.

01:03:06.140 We're talking about affordability and taking them off in order to...

01:03:09.980 That's why you need that tax. 0.89

01:03:11.680 Quebec.

01:03:11.860 That's not what I've said.

01:03:12.600 And in terms of...

01:03:14.520 Income taxes.

01:03:15.080 Working with Quebec, yes, absolutely, throughout the short time I've been Prime Minister,

01:03:20.740 working directly with the Premier of Quebec, our Minister of Foreign Affairs, our Minister

01:03:26.800 of Finance, are from Quebec, Quebec and Quebec issues, whether it's...

01:03:30.760 Why, I've been to answer Mr Legault's letter, he asked five things in the letter, he reduced

01:03:37.180 his expectations, and you did not even answer him, and tonight you are so much in love with

01:03:43.900 Quebec.

01:03:45.080 Steve, the question that Canadians have to ask is whether or why it costs you $10,000.

01:03:52.900 Mr. Singh, sorry, he has the floor.

01:03:55.520 The question you have to ask is after a decade of Liberal promises, can you afford food?

01:04:02.560 Is your housing more affordable than it used to be?

01:04:05.700 What is your cost of living like compared to what it was a decade ago?

01:04:09.840 And are you prepared to elect the same Liberal MPs, the same Liberal ministers, the same Liberal staffers

01:04:15.080 all over again for a fourth term. Mr. Carney, Justin Trudeau's staffers are actually here with

01:04:20.520 you at this debate in Montreal, writing the talking points that you are regurgitating into

01:04:25.480 the microphone. How can we possibly believe that you are any different than the previous

01:04:31.500 10 years of liberal government? 25 seconds left in this segment for you to respond to that.

01:04:36.300 Look, I do my own talking points. Thank you very much. The biggest risk we have to affordability,

01:04:43.840 the biggest risk we have to this economy is donald trump so first and foremost we've got to get that

01:04:50.060 right secondly we need to do it in a way that brings everyone along together that means

01:04:57.220 preserving pharma care dental care child care reinforcing health care spending our intrusion

01:05:03.160 intrusion intrusion intrusion in quebec jurisdiction over and again i like the clock

01:05:07.720 we're any better than we are the clock is there one thing canadians can do that quebecers cannot 1.00

01:05:13.880 do you are doing intrusions in our jurisdiction with our money pretending you are better and most

01:05:19.960 of the time you try to copy what we did with our own money against us what's that as a policy don't

01:05:26.840 you have your own things to care about that that really is time for this segment i wanted to be

01:05:30.920 polite and let everybody finish their points i'm far behind so i took the liberty thank you okay

01:05:36.280 That ends Section 2. Up next, public safety and security.

01:05:42.640 Fight crime to protect Canadians and to build communities that are safe, secure and strong.

01:05:48.320 Keep crime, drugs, stolen cars and other illegal substances out of our country.

01:05:55.020 We're going to invest in our borders and that means hiring more border officers.

01:05:58.480 Resources are in short supply, not enough stuff.

01:06:02.480 This is not the nice way to treat people who come to our border.

01:06:10.800 Okay, same format, one-on-one questions and then open debate.

01:06:13.700 Monsieur Blanchet, you get to go first in this one.

01:06:16.440 Public safety and security.

01:06:18.260 For a lot of people, that means the fentanyl crisis.

01:06:20.860 I'd like to know what you could contribute to ending that crisis in this country.

01:06:25.580 The fentanyl crisis is a very serious issue,

01:06:28.540 which is a bit less important in Quebec than it is in British Columbia.

01:06:31.860 I think the whole border thing is the real issue.

01:06:35.560 Immigration is a very important issue for Quebecers.

01:06:39.440 Immigration has to be dealt with in an orderly fashion.

01:06:42.900 Our borders are not dealt with in an orderly fashion.

01:06:47.200 The rules are not respected. The rules are unclear.

01:06:49.840 Some rules even invite people to hide for two weeks illegally before coming out.

01:06:55.660 Some things have to be done.

01:06:56.940 The situation of one person asking for asylum may take as much as four years without us reducing the number in order to deal with them in a human way.

01:07:11.740 The services for every citizen in Quebec are being reduced because we cannot afford the fact that we are receiving much, much more people in Quebec from this specific type of immigration than we can afford. 1.00

01:07:25.020 and we cannot teach them French.

01:07:26.940 That's time, M. Blanchet.

01:07:27.920 We can, of course, return to the immigration issue 0.99

01:07:29.980 during open debate, should you choose to.

01:07:32.200 Mr. Carney, question for you.

01:07:33.500 The liberal gun buyback policy,

01:07:36.440 not considered a success by many people.

01:07:39.200 Reviving it is in your platform.

01:07:41.120 Why would it work this time?

01:07:42.740 Yeah, I think, well, what we've seen with that policy

01:07:45.520 is some success at the commercial level,

01:07:48.800 but not at the individual level,

01:07:50.440 because it hasn't been, in my opinion,

01:07:52.400 it hasn't been organized properly,

01:07:54.400 and it needs to be organized properly.

01:07:56.460 And I've instructed the Minister of National Security

01:08:00.240 and Public Safety in order to do that.

01:08:03.300 So part of this is a different focus of government,

01:08:06.600 a focus on results,

01:08:07.720 a focus on clear milestones in the short term.

01:08:10.480 Let me make a broader point, though, on gun,

01:08:12.720 which is that we have a problem

01:08:15.580 with guns coming over borders,

01:08:17.480 which is why we've tightened our borders.

01:08:19.100 We have an issue, though, with a gun industry

01:08:21.580 that is continually coming up

01:08:23.300 with new forms of assault rifles, mass killing machines.

01:08:27.420 We've banned over 2,000 of these.

01:08:30.680 Every single time there has been a vote in the House of Commons on gun control,

01:08:35.640 Mr. Polyev, bless your tough on guns.

01:08:41.260 Mr. Polyev, you can come back on that in the open debate if you want to,

01:08:44.560 but my question for you in this segment is,

01:08:47.060 Indigenous people are statistically overrepresented in our corrections system.

01:08:50.900 Are you concerned that your tough on crime platform will make that worse?

01:08:55.320 I'm concerned that Indigenous people are disproportionately the victims of crime.

01:09:00.820 I give you the example of a wonderful group of Indigenous people who came under attack in Saskatchewan, and many of them were murdered.

01:09:10.580 The killer was out of jail after 60 prior convictions.

01:09:16.180 This is the result of 10 years of liberal laws that allow the same offenders to be released

01:09:24.300 dozens and dozens of times, even when it's known they are a danger. We can't risk a fourth liberal

01:09:31.020 term of soft on crime policies. We need a change. And the conservative plan for change will bring

01:09:38.520 in a three strikes you're out law, three convictions for serious crimes. You go to jail

01:09:42.340 for at least 10 years, maybe for life, no chance of parole or bail.

01:09:47.020 We will bring in life sentences for traffickers of fentanyl, human beings, and guns,

01:09:52.620 and we will secure our borders to keep the illegal guns.

01:09:56.140 Thank you, Mr. Paliyev. That's time.

01:09:57.860 Mr. Singh, your question is about the RCMP.

01:10:00.660 Because you've got RCMP reform in your platform,

01:10:03.660 what, in your view, is the problem with the RCMP?

01:10:07.040 Well, some of the basis for this is the concern that's been raised

01:10:10.080 in more rural communities and northern communities that there have been some serious concerns about

01:10:15.360 violence or inappropriate use of force when it comes to the execution of their duties.

01:10:21.440 We want to make sure that we've got a top-tier police force that provides security and safety

01:10:27.120 to those communities in a way that's sensitive and understanding of the communities they're serving.

01:10:31.360 I also think what's very important is for Indigenous communities, Indigenous policing.

01:10:35.200 This is an area of deep concern. I think everyone in our country should be safe.

01:10:39.760 You should be able to be safe at home, safe when you go to work, safe if you take public

01:10:44.100 transit, safe for your kids to be able to play in the local playground.

01:10:48.020 And that's something I'm committed to.

01:10:49.520 The other area that I'm focused on when it comes to public safety is making sure we prevent

01:10:53.020 crime before it happens.

01:10:55.240 And that's why we want to see increased investments in our border security.

01:10:59.260 We saw under the Conservatives, they cut 1,100 border officers in one day.

01:11:04.580 So that prevented our ability to keep our borders safe.

01:11:07.100 That stops those materials from coming into the country.

01:11:08.100 Interesting. That's time. Not sure it was about the RCMP, but maybe we can get back to that during

01:11:12.160 the open debate segment, which we go to right now. And Mr. Polyev, you get the first word on

01:11:16.680 this one. And it sort of dovetails on the last answer you gave, which is you have pledged to be

01:11:22.000 the first prime minister in this country to use the notwithstanding clause, setting aside charter

01:11:26.580 rights of, as you call them, multiple murderers. Why do you think that's necessary? To be clear,

01:11:32.060 I want to uphold the Charter Rights of Canadians under Section 7 to life, liberty, and security

01:11:38.960 of the person. Right now, that right is violated by multiple murderers who are given discounts.

01:11:46.620 The case in question was a gentleman who went into a mosque and shot dead six innocent

01:11:52.000 worshippers. He got, according to this ruling, only one 25-year sentence, meaning he could be

01:11:58.180 out in his 50s. He only serves four years for every murderer that he carried out. That is

01:12:04.160 outrageous. And I will use the constitutional powers that are created for this purpose

01:12:09.960 to ensure that mass murderers stay in maximum security penitentiary for life. They will only

01:12:16.520 come out in a box. We will also pass tough new laws that prevent repeat offenders from getting

01:12:22.240 out. If you commit three offenses under the three strikes law I propose, you will not be allowed out

01:12:26.940 of jail until you prove that you are drug-free, that you are behaved perfectly, and that you've

01:12:33.340 learned an employable skill, and you've served a 10-year sentence. We cannot allow liberal crime

01:12:38.140 and chaos to go on terrorizing our communities. What we need is a real plan for change so that

01:12:44.220 we can bring back the safety and the security that Canadians used to take for granted. Let me

01:12:48.600 get Mr. Carney to respond to that. You think that's an appropriate use of the notwithstanding

01:12:51.780 clause of the charter i think that the um one of the core responsibilities of the federal government

01:12:58.420 prime minister uh is under the three strike fundamental geez folks i think we're having

01:13:03.300 some technical difficulties here we seem to have lost the feed and um we will try to get it back

01:13:11.380 as soon as possible i really apologize hope you stay with us we are trying to sort this out

01:13:16.100 as soon as possible to get us back to what I think so far has been the absolute best performance

01:13:23.500 of his lifetime for Pierre Polyev. I have never seen him shine in this way. I'm blown away. I

01:13:28.760 think he's just absolutely knocking it out of the park. This is, in my opinion, the best

01:13:33.160 polyev that we've ever seen. We're trying to figure out what's happened to the live stream

01:13:37.320 here. Again, apologies. David, what do you think so far of the debate?

01:13:42.900 that we should never use it, but it is very important.

01:13:46.600 I think you're right.

01:13:47.240 I think the Ford case made it clear.

01:13:49.720 The Constitution says how it should be used,

01:13:53.840 but never how or what we will do with it.

01:13:57.920 He's delivered three or four really solid punches to Carney.

01:14:03.520 And so has Blanchett, actually.

01:14:07.640 So I think these two debates back-to-back

01:14:11.960 are going to shift the numbers at this point.

01:14:13.640 I don't think that Kearney looks strong on his feet,

01:14:16.900 and I think the accusation that he is Justin 2.0

01:14:21.020 has actually landed far better than I thought that it would on this.

01:14:27.120 Yeah, Francois Blanchet, I think, had the line of the night.

01:14:30.380 He said that, Mark Kearney, you're trying to prove

01:14:33.240 that you're different than Justin Trudeau,

01:14:35.280 but you're supposed to prove that you're better than him,

01:14:37.620 which is such a good point and such a good line.

01:14:40.460 Unfortunately, it was hard to understand him

01:14:41.800 because of his uh accent but i thought that that was an incredibly strong line i i just have to

01:14:47.800 comment that jagmeet singh is just so annoying like i don't know what he's trying to accomplish

01:14:53.480 and he just keeps interrupting he won't let us watch the debate and it's just at this point like

01:14:59.560 incredibly frustrating he's struggling for relevance and it's clear uh you know he it's

01:15:05.080 almost like watching a guy who's a high school debater he sort of plants a uh please vote ndp

01:15:10.280 because we care more uh kind of line and tries to cut across uh cut across pierre paulia in particular

01:15:19.720 absolutely and again folks i promise we will get back to the life if you want you can open

01:15:23.960 up another window and keep your eye on what's happening with the actual debate and our producer

01:15:28.200 here is just trying to figure out what the heck happened and get back to the live feed and we

01:15:33.240 will do that as soon as possible um but stay with us because we will uh have that back and then we're

01:15:38.200 We're going to have the post debate show, which is what you're really going to want to watch with the independent journalists being able to ask questions.

01:15:49.040 I know this is a bit of a distraction, but we're getting lots of clips of the media getting into arguments like legacy media journalists yelling at Kian Bextie and a kerfuffle with Ezra Levant there and the CBC false reporting that he had his credentials revoked, even though he says that he does not.

01:16:06.360 So it's a drama backstage, it looks like, at the leaders' debate.

01:16:12.820 And hopefully we'll get that feed up any second now so we can go back to the real thing.

01:16:17.600 I know you guys don't want to be sitting here watching David and I.

01:16:21.180 And we will get back to that live feed, and then we'll provide our full reaction after the show.

01:16:27.100 So that you don't get hurt.

01:16:28.060 There we go.

01:16:28.300 People are living in terror in many of our communities precisely because of the catch-and-release bail law, C-75.

01:16:35.760 which requires judges release the accused at the earliest opportunity under the least onerous conditions.

01:16:43.980 You're every single member voted in favor of this bill,

01:16:50.760 and they are all determined to keep it in place despite constant promises to the contrary.

01:16:56.600 Mr. Carney, Canadians deserve to live in peace and security.

01:17:01.220 That is the right that I'm fighting for, for a change.

01:17:04.260 I'm fighting for that as well. And let me be specific about two things that have been raised.

01:17:09.920 The first is with respect to these issues of car theft, home invasion, and I'll use the greater the GTA area where there has been startup increase.

01:17:22.220 How do you attack that? You attack it several ways. One, you increase the criminal penalties for that happening, particularly if you're part of a gang, particularly if you use a firearm.

01:17:33.580 And you will do that?

01:17:34.640 And we're doing so. We've committed to doing so.

01:17:36.760 You put in place a reverse onus in terms of bail so that it has to be proven that there's not a risk, which we've also committed to.

01:17:43.940 And then you go to what Mr. Singh was talking about, which is we have to reinforce our frontiers.

01:17:49.540 That's why we're committing to an extra thousand Canada Border Service agents, an extra thousand RCMPs.

01:17:56.120 That's why as part of the broader fentanyl initiative, where we've added to the RCMP there, we've added drones.

01:18:03.580 We're adding helicopters, we're adding surveillance, and we're going to the other end of the chain with respect to car theft, which is tightening security at the ports.

01:18:13.100 This is what we need.

01:18:14.600 In order to get results, you need to focus where at both ends of the chains in the federal government.

01:18:19.320 Thank you very much.

01:18:20.460 I want to talk about one of the issues that has come up is the idea of the public safety concerns around the overdose crisis and how this is devastating our communities.

01:18:30.280 We're seeing so many lives being lost.

01:18:33.280 In that, we know that one of the ways to address that is by investing in some of the solutions

01:18:37.880 like mental health services and rehabilitation services.

01:18:40.960 Services keep our communities safe, having access to those good services.

01:18:45.060 Both Mr. Carney and Mr. Polyev are proposing cutting government spending and cutting those services.

01:18:50.340 That's not going to make our communities safer.

01:18:52.360 We need to see better investments in rehabilitation services, more investments in mental health.

01:18:56.620 We need to respond to this serious crisis in our country with care and compassion.

01:19:01.660 I've met with Moms Stop the Harm, an organization of moms that have lost their children to this opioid overdose crisis.

01:19:09.400 They've literally had their children have died because of this.

01:19:12.440 And they say they're saying we need to do everything possible to save lives, to stop this death from happening.

01:19:18.660 And I think we need to listen to those moms. And that's my commitment.

01:19:21.080 Monsieur Blanchet.

01:19:21.880 Two things as rapidly as possible.

01:19:23.720 First, we believe that we should act on crime gangs and organizations,

01:19:28.720 defining them as we do for terrorist organizations.

01:19:32.840 We have to protect our kids from the violence of those gangs,

01:19:37.060 from the drugs being sold by those gangs,

01:19:39.660 from the guns and whatever else being sold,

01:19:44.120 I mean,

01:19:46.480 sale being by those gangs.

01:19:52.360 Sold?

01:19:52.500 Not sold, being, you know, you purchase a thing and selling, sold, sold, sold by those gangs.

01:20:00.500 And we mostly have to protect our kids from being recruited by those gangs,

01:20:05.440 becoming violent at 13 and 14 and 16 years old, because this is the real fear of parents like I am.

01:20:14.700 This is a very dangerous situation.

01:20:16.500 I want to come back to immigration because we said that we would come back to immigration. 0.99

01:20:20.000 Do you remember the Century Initiative? A sad memory.

01:20:24.220 Officially, they said that they had not considered Quebec difference.

01:20:28.900 They had not considered Quebec language.

01:20:30.660 They wanted Canada to be a 100 million people country by the end of the century.

01:20:37.620 Mr. Barton told myself, told me himself, that he had not even thought about the Quebec difference in that analysis.

01:20:46.040 And one of his closest collaborators is now a close counselor to Mr. Carney, which seems to be part of that kind of project or ideology.

01:20:55.840 So it is impossible for Canada to have all those people coming to Canada. 1.00

01:21:00.940 It is impossible for Quebec to receive all those people.

01:21:04.360 And in Quebec, we have the language and values and secularity of the state issue, which is very important.

01:21:10.140 So I say, pause, pause, pause.

01:21:13.540 Let's do things properly.

01:21:15.280 let's receive migrants in an orderly fashion and successfully as a measure of respect for them

01:21:22.920 also. Mr. Polly, if you wanted a word. I speak to families all the time who are terrified

01:21:28.060 by the scourge of drugs and illegal guns. And we know those guns are not Grandpa Joe's hunting

01:21:34.200 rifle. So when the liberals try to ban hunting rifles, they're really going after the wrong

01:21:39.680 people. 90% of guns that come in that are used in crime are smuggled illegally over the porous

01:21:46.140 liberal run borders. And that's why the police, it's not true. And that's why the police,

01:21:51.700 the police actually, if I could, the police actually endorsed me. The police in Barrie,

01:21:58.500 in Peel, in Sault Ste. Marie have all endorsed me because they know that I will go after the 1.00

01:22:03.820 gun smugglers and criminals with 2000 extra border frontline border guards that will stop

01:22:09.220 the guns from coming in. But unlike the liberals and NDP, I will not ban hunting rifles. I want

01:22:16.580 to protect Canadians from criminals. The liberals want to protect turkeys from hunters. I think we

01:22:20.720 know which one makes them. Quick intervention, Mr. Carney, then I got a question for each of

01:22:24.200 you before this segment's out. Okay. We absolutely fully support hunting rights of hunters and

01:22:32.380 indigenous Canadians. But I want to raise an issue, which is a serious issue, talking about

01:22:36.200 safety. There are people, we're in Montreal, in Toronto, across this country, who fear going to

01:22:43.740 their synagogue, fear going to their community centre, fear taking their children, leaving their

01:22:49.360 children's school. And this has to stop. This is, it's totally unacceptable. So what we're proposing

01:22:56.220 is to make it a criminal offence to threaten or to impede anyone from being near or going to

01:23:03.980 their place of worship, their school, their community center.

01:23:07.300 This, it pains me that when we have to do it,

01:23:11.440 because this is not what we should be doing as Canadians, of course,

01:23:14.960 but we will put that in place.

01:23:17.080 Let me get back.

01:23:18.060 And this is a fundamental issue with respect to any senator.

01:23:19.580 Let me get 10 seconds from each of you before this segment's out

01:23:22.220 on what you perceive to be the biggest security threat to Canada right now.

01:23:27.040 10 seconds each.

01:23:27.900 Mr. Poliev.

01:23:28.340 have? The physical security threat to our country is the rampant crime wave that is running out of

01:23:35.440 control. After the last decade, we had 116% increase in gun crime. We need to lock up the 0.82

01:23:42.880 criminals. I got to hold you to 10 seconds. Mr. Carney? Well, we're in a security section. I think

01:23:48.600 we didn't have a chance to talk about anything internationally. I think the biggest security

01:23:51.580 threat to Canada is China. China, you say? Mr. Singh? Biggest security threat, illegal guns 0.95

01:23:57.640 and drugs coming across the border

01:23:59.380 and cuts to services

01:24:00.880 that would make our public safety

01:24:02.840 and security even worse.

01:24:03.940 Last word to Monsieur Blanchet.

01:24:05.500 The fact that either Quebec or Canada

01:24:07.920 is able to protect itself

01:24:09.720 and that we are still dependent

01:24:11.220 and entirely dependent

01:24:12.400 on Americans to protect us.

01:24:16.060 Okay, that is the end of that section.

01:24:17.700 Gentlemen, up next, energy and climate.

01:24:22.700 Improving pipelines,

01:24:24.380 getting things built,

01:24:26.080 unleashing production.

01:24:27.000 We are unlocking major infrastructure projects, including in conventional energy, oil and gas.

01:24:34.020 We are speaking thousands of dollars a year for each family to pay for the damages of climate change.

01:24:44.160 We can absolutely build important projects like an east-west energy grid.

01:24:49.780 Energy and climate change. I know how much all of you love talking about pipelines, so here we go.

01:24:54.840 Mr. Singh, to you first. Should Canada build new pipelines to get our oil and gas to market?

01:25:00.760 Well, it's not an approach I favor with public money. There's not any projects that are on the

01:25:04.760 table, so it's not a specific project to look at. I favor, when it comes to the environment,

01:25:10.200 building an east-west energy grid that connects low-cost energy and allows for families to reduce

01:25:15.560 their electricity costs. But let's put this all in context. We're talking about what our energy

01:25:21.000 solutions are in the context of a climate crisis and we're not just talking about a climate crisis

01:25:25.880 in the far future we're living it right now i remember i met a mom a couple years ago before

01:25:31.240 i had kids who told me she was worried about taking her kids out on some days because of 0.94

01:25:35.560 the forest fires in bc it meant that it was unsafe for kids to go outdoors fast forward

01:25:40.120 to when i became a parent just a couple years after that and i literally worry about the same

01:25:44.040 thing the forest fires we saw a couple years ago meant that many places that didn't see this before

01:25:49.400 saw days where there was such smoke in the air that it was dangerous for kids uh we've seen

01:25:55.400 extreme weather uh forest fires heat domes floods impacting us we've got to do everything we can

01:26:01.240 thank you mr singh that's time mr polyev where does fighting climate change land on your list

01:26:06.040 of priorities when it comes to expanding energy opportunities in this country it lands within our

01:26:12.040 priorities of bringing home jobs while bringing down emissions around the world. Look, the reality

01:26:19.560 is that if we push production out of our country to more polluting countries, it actually makes

01:26:25.160 the problem worse. But that has been exactly the liberal approach with the anti-development law,

01:26:30.400 C-69, blocking of 15 LNG export plants over the last 10 years. We have seen more of those jobs

01:26:39.560 go abroad. I want to bring them home. My plan will be to approve, for example, natural gas

01:26:46.040 liquefaction and export. If we sent our gas to India, for example, to displace half of their 0.99

01:26:52.120 demand for electricity, we could reduce emissions by 2.5 billion tons, which is three times the

01:27:01.160 total emissions of Canada. That's the way we bring emissions down and jobs up. It's common sense

01:27:09.920 and now it's time to bring it home. Thank you, Mr. Poliev. The next question is for Mr. Carney.

01:27:15.060 How would your government fast track pipelines and mining projects while also following the

01:27:20.960 Supreme Court decision that requires consent of Indigenous communities? Well, I think the first 1.00

01:27:26.160 thing, and this goes back a bit to where we started, which is recognizing that we are in a

01:27:31.600 crisis. We need to act with maximum force and having a process and a consultation, but a

01:27:39.760 consultation with a purpose, which is to identify those projects, those investments of national

01:27:45.740 interest that are really going to move the dial in terms of growth, jobs, energy security,

01:27:52.100 well-being consistent with long-term competitiveness, which necessarily means

01:27:57.040 lower carbon. And so part of that process is ensuring that First Nations, Indigenous peoples,

01:28:02.460 are there from the start. It also includes their ability to participate fully in those projects.

01:28:08.780 And that's why, and I know I can tell, you've got to tell on when I've gone on too long,

01:28:13.840 so I'll finish up, which is that's why we're doubling, our proposal is to double

01:28:18.880 Indigenous Loan Guarantee Program to $10 billion.

01:28:21.740 What does that actually mean?

01:28:23.140 It means an ability for them to invest equity

01:28:25.900 in those projects and be full partners.

01:28:28.100 Thank you, Mr. Carney, that's time.

01:28:28.120 Thank you.

01:28:28.300 My tell is my clock, and my clock is at zero,

01:28:30.480 so that's how it goes.

01:28:31.660 Monsieur Blanchet, do you still oppose

01:28:33.380 pipeline construction in Quebec,

01:28:34.960 even though a majority of Quebecers

01:28:36.520 now apparently say they support it?

01:28:39.000 We will know about that when we have held a debate

01:28:41.820 about that, which has not begun yet.

01:28:43.740 We are just bigotting it.

01:28:45.380 First, we are hearing very creative numbers and we are being fed nonsense.

01:28:51.920 And we will be back to it in a few minutes.

01:28:53.980 But energy trade commerce is from south to north or north to south.

01:29:02.500 And it's true in Quebec also.

01:29:04.660 In a little more than three years, Donald Trump won't be in office.

01:29:08.640 And there will be not one more pipeline having been built once we get there.

01:29:17.500 So let's be serious, responsible, and we will be back with the numbers.

01:29:23.440 We don't want to pay in Quebec for such monstrosities, which will provide us with nothing. 0.55

01:29:31.880 We now move to open debate and you all will get a chance or have had a chance to get the first shot at this.

01:29:37.080 Monsieur Blanchet, it is your turn to get the first shot.

01:29:40.520 Canada has a substantial supply of critical minerals

01:29:43.240 which are in high demand.

01:29:44.480 Are you in favor of allowing these minerals to be mined?

01:29:49.020 Of course, it has to be done properly.

01:29:52.200 Quebec has probably the most important clean

01:29:55.400 phosphate reserves in North America.

01:29:58.520 In Saguenay-Lac-Saint-Jean, it is very important.

01:30:01.280 It has to be exploited.

01:30:02.880 This is the best way to use Paul Saguenay

01:30:05.580 as an infrastructure that we need.

01:30:07.840 We have lithium, everybody needs lithium.

01:30:10.040 Transportation has to be taken from oil to clean energy.

01:30:15.860 This is what we want to be working on.

01:30:18.040 It is part of the specifics of Quebec economy.

01:30:23.900 So we are in favor of that,

01:30:26.040 but we don't want to pay for the 30 billions of dollars

01:30:30.200 which have been spent on oil and gas

01:30:32.780 by the Liberals last year.

01:30:34.260 it's seven billions of dollars from Quebec.

01:30:37.280 We don't want to pay for the 40 billions of dollars

01:30:39.960 which have been spent by the Liberals on Trans Mountain.

01:30:43.800 It's nine billions of dollars from Quebec.

01:30:46.280 Those are 16 billions of dollars

01:30:49.760 of which not one dollar has been spent in Quebec

01:30:53.420 to develop a lot more power

01:30:56.320 and wealth for Quebecers with our own money.

01:31:00.700 We need to let the leader of the Liberals respond.

01:31:03.820 Well, actually, I was going to pick up on the enormous opportunity that exists in Quebec, exists in Ontario, exists in the north of Canada, really exists across this great nation in terms of critical metals and minerals.

01:31:15.960 We are one of have one of the biggest resources in this country. And this is it's not just enormous economic opportunity. It is a strategic opportunity for Canada.

01:31:26.420 So we have to make a decision, not just to develop it,

01:31:29.580 but how do we develop it and who are our partners for it?

01:31:32.880 Do we become more dependent on the United States, which is what they want? 0.89

01:31:36.320 By the way, President Trump this week said he might put a tax on critical metals and minerals,

01:31:41.260 just showing again the unreliable, if I may.

01:31:43.400 The job is not true.

01:31:44.280 If I may. And so the discussions that...

01:31:45.760 The job is to negotiate.

01:31:46.500 If I may. If I may. If I may finish.

01:31:48.400 Let's let him finish.

01:31:49.020 Let me finish.

01:31:50.420 So the opportunity includes in Europe and includes in Asia as our partners.

01:31:54.760 Last point, in order to get it done, in order to get it done, we'll put in place a first and last mile fund.

01:32:00.520 So these projects are connected to road and rail so they can go quickly to market.

01:32:03.920 And we will have all of the other fast tracking measures in place that I talked about earlier in terms of capital, timing, approvals, so that we can move quickly.

01:32:13.220 We can be stronger at home.

01:32:15.200 Mr. Singh has the floor.

01:32:17.980 You should absolutely take advantage of the fact that we've got incredible amounts of critical minerals in our country.

01:32:22.800 And the way we do that is with any energy project or any project of this nature, make sure it's got the local community buy-in, it creates good jobs in communities, make sure we are meeting all our environmental needs, and we work with indigenous partnership.

01:32:35.460 And so I absolutely agree with that.

01:32:36.560 i want to build on something mr blanche mentioned about the investments that this country has made

01:32:41.600 what i found very troubling is that the past number of years the liberal government record

01:32:48.320 is one where we have spent the most subsidies compared to any other country in the g7

01:32:53.600 on subsidizing oil and gas these are highly profitable companies you vote i think that's

01:32:58.160 the wrong thing to do we fought against it again and again no you vote and then the liberals have

01:33:02.480 continue to do it and so my question really to mr carney is will you commit to ending oil and gas

01:33:08.240 subsidies we should be using that to invest in people not giving it to highly profitable oil and

01:33:13.360 gas companies yeah we talk i promise mr polio the next we'll come back and get that question

01:33:18.320 answered mr polio well mr carney you point out that donald trump has a wrongheaded idea of

01:33:25.360 putting a tax on our minds and our industry and that is wrong but so do you you want to apply a

01:33:33.840 massive industrial carbon tax on canadian mines canadian steel mills canadian aluminum plants

01:33:41.200 canadian oil and gas and your idea is to double the tax that trump is applying by hitting them

01:33:47.760 a second time this will do nothing for the environment it will actually ship our jobs 0.54

01:33:52.560 south of the border just like president trump wants my plan is to bring that production home

01:33:59.840 here to canada for example i will give a tax credit to low emitting canadian industry like

01:34:06.880 quebec's aluminum for example or british columbia's natural gas so that we not only bring home the

01:34:13.200 production but we do it below global average levels of emissions so that we actually help

01:34:18.720 the environment while bringing home the jobs for our people at the same time.

01:34:24.380 That is a sensible, pragmatic approach that puts us in charge of our economic destiny

01:34:29.960 so we can stand up to the Americans from a position of strength for a change.

01:34:34.180 Mr. Polny, we've got...

01:34:35.140 Hang on a second.

01:34:35.500 I want to give you a chance to speak to Mr. Singh's criticism about oil and gas subsidies

01:34:41.280 and Mr. Poliev's criticism about the industrial carbon tax.

01:34:44.820 Okay, I'm going to make three points.

01:34:47.280 I'll make four if you want me to respond to that, but I want to make three.

01:34:50.080 The first is that we answered, I answered this question last night,

01:34:54.700 but I think the puck had already dropped in the Canadians game, so not everyone heard it.

01:34:57.880 Yes, and oil and gas subsidies.

01:34:59.680 That's why you need new Democrats. 0.99

01:35:00.660 Secondly, I would have done it independently.

01:35:03.580 Secondly, recognizing that the biggest component of that was the cost of building Keystone.

01:35:09.340 Keystone, which is the pipeline which has helped to increase oil exports by 50% in this country.

01:35:16.880 that is an asset of the people of canada we own it uh and the question what to do it so it's not

01:35:22.240 a subsidy that has disappeared is actually an asset of canada the third point though in terms

01:35:26.400 of where the oil and gas industry particularly the oil industry needs wants to and needs to go

01:35:31.040 which is to become low carbon low carbon in production and transportation of oil one of

01:35:35.920 the big projects we need to move forward with is carbon capture and storage the pathways project

01:35:41.120 so that we have oil and gas that is competitive not just today 10 years from now and 20 years from

01:35:47.200 now as the world uses less we want to have more market share we need to do my government my

01:35:52.560 government will move that but by definition the subsidy isn't when we buy a pipeline i'm talking

01:35:58.480 about subsidies that go to oil and gas companies independent separate from the country oil and gas

01:36:03.440 companies that's what i'm talking about the figure you quoted last night uh included the cost of the

01:36:06.800 pipeline do you want to address this dollars are spending we got to stop spending sorry can we can

01:36:10.000 Can we get you to address his point about the industrial carbon tax?

01:36:12.200 How much will the industrial carbon tax add to the price of a car?

01:36:15.260 So the first thing I want to say is we have, I'm going to address the broader point.

01:36:19.540 Well, the broader point is the entire absence of a climate plan from Mr. Poglia, which,

01:36:25.420 by the way, is going to put our industry and our country at a disadvantage as we're looking

01:36:31.420 for new trading partners.

01:36:33.040 Guess what?

01:36:33.800 Most people want to deepen our partnership in Europe, in Asia.

01:36:37.520 Those countries care about whether or not you've made progress.

01:36:40.620 Second thing is, we're designing a program so that the big polluters pay Canadians at home for making responsible climate choices,

01:36:50.400 for retrofitting their home, getting their emissions down, or improving otherwise.

01:36:55.080 And that is smart climate policy.

01:36:57.420 It's better for the big polluters, and it's better for Canadians.

01:37:00.200 Chair Polian. 0.99

01:37:01.560 Mr. Carney didn't answer my question.

01:37:03.800 And I asked how much would an industrial carbon tax on Canadian steel add to the price of a car?

01:37:10.560 He won't answer because he knows that it will be very expensive because there's lots of steel in cars.

01:37:16.000 Now, well, Mr. Carney has temporarily hidden the carbon tax.

01:37:20.420 You don't know the answer either. He's just throwing out random questions.

01:37:21.800 Thousands of dollars. Thousands of dollars.

01:37:22.960 He's making it up.

01:37:23.420 Extra cost.

01:37:24.960 I actually do know the answer to that question.

01:37:27.220 When you add taxes to steel, you raise the price of everything that uses steel.

01:37:33.800 When you add the carbon tax onto the price of, for example, fertilizer, you increase the price of food.

01:37:45.180 So while Mr. Carney has temporarily hidden the liberal carbon tax at the pumps while keeping the tax fully in law and planning to raise it after the election,

01:37:54.060 he's also going after a tax on our industry that will ultimately be passed on to you.

01:37:59.260 After a lost liberal decade of rising costs, we cannot afford a fourth liberal term.

01:38:05.180 We need a new government that will fully axe the carbon tax, increase the jobs that we have here in Canada, and bring down your cost of living.

01:38:13.800 We've got just a little over three minutes left in this segment.

01:38:15.920 So, Mr. Singh, I want to ask you, do you think climate change is still a priority from Canadians?

01:38:19.820 You're out there. What are you hearing?

01:38:21.740 Absolutely. You speak to any young person and they think, you know, we're seeing climate crisis in front of us happening right now.

01:38:29.040 speak to seniors who say you know we used to be able to live in our homes without air conditioning

01:38:33.280 and now we're seeing heat crises in communities that never had worries about extreme weather

01:38:38.720 we're seeing flooding we're seeing forest fires like never before we're living in a climate crisis

01:38:43.700 so Canadians are absolutely worried about it as soon as we come into a summer we start seeing

01:38:48.120 those forest fires again it's top of mind for Canadians because they're living it they're

01:38:51.640 seeing it and I want those Canadians to know Mr Carney is not going to end those fossil

01:38:55.720 of his subsidies unless I'm there to fight back.

01:38:58.860 Mr. Polyev wants to let big polluters

01:39:00.500 pollute as much as they want,

01:39:01.720 poison our beautiful land, our water and air.

01:39:04.860 He wants to let them dump into our oceans.

01:39:07.500 I'm gonna fight back and defend our environment.

01:39:09.100 Mr. Blanchet, on the issue of whether or not

01:39:10.960 people still care about climate change.

01:39:12.800 I think people should be kept very informed

01:39:18.080 about climate change because we are in a very strange

01:39:20.780 denial situation about climate change,

01:39:23.580 which still exists and is very expensive.

01:39:26.060 And I'm sorry to crash your party, guys,

01:39:28.460 but you are telling fairy tales.

01:39:31.780 Clean oil and gas is a fairy tale.

01:39:36.020 Large-scale carbon sequestration, sorry, I'm French,

01:39:41.260 is a fairy tale.

01:39:42.740 It does not exist.

01:39:44.520 If Alberta wanted to exploit oil and gas

01:39:48.080 and it were not a matter of pollution,

01:39:50.460 I wouldn't mind at all.

01:39:52.480 that's their business.

01:39:54.440 Our own power house in terms of energy in Quebec

01:39:57.820 is clean energy.

01:39:58.860 We are the best place in the world to achieve that.

01:40:02.620 Our market is the northeastern part,

01:40:06.160 Democrat part of United States.

01:40:08.260 We want to keep our money to create wealth in Quebec

01:40:13.700 for Quebecers.

01:40:14.840 Let us be different because we can afford to be different.

01:40:17.640 Mr. Blanchard, let me give, I will get to you

01:40:20.240 because I said I would, but you've taken a couple of hits here, and I want to give you a chance to

01:40:24.520 respond to some of the things that people on this side of the stage have said. Thank you. Well,

01:40:28.780 first of all, we do support protecting the environment. Banning, we want to ban the dumping

01:40:33.380 of raw sewage into our waters. We want to hold large corporations to high environmental standards 0.98

01:40:39.600 to protect our water and air, but we cannot do that by raising taxes and sending jobs overseas

01:40:46.420 as Mr. Carney is proposing to do.

01:40:48.680 That has been the approach of the last 10 years

01:40:51.560 of the Liberal government.

01:40:52.740 What the biggest companies that develop our resources say

01:40:56.720 is that we need to repeal the Liberal Anti-Development Law, C-69,

01:41:01.940 a law Mr. Carney wants to keep in place.

01:41:03.820 They say we need to repeal the industrial carbon tax

01:41:06.120 and get rid of the Liberal energy cap.

01:41:08.920 We need six months' approvals

01:41:10.540 in order to take back energy security and energy sovereignty.

01:41:15.480 We can summarize that.

01:41:16.200 Mr. Carney, hang on.

01:41:18.500 Last word to Mr. Carney in a second, please.

01:41:20.640 Thank you very much.

01:41:21.600 You know, I was born in Fort Smith in the Northwest Territories,

01:41:24.660 just north of what the oil sands became.

01:41:27.780 When I was born and when I was growing up in Edmonton, early days,

01:41:31.240 it was a fairy tale, quote unquote.

01:41:33.280 But you know what happened?

01:41:34.680 Canadian ingenuity, Canadian engineers, Canadian governments,

01:41:37.840 both the federal government and the Alberta government,

01:41:39.760 got together and created, converted this.

01:41:41.500 The worst pollution in the world.

01:41:42.820 If I may.

01:41:43.260 The worst pollution in the world.

01:41:43.900 May I finish?

01:41:44.360 May I finish?

01:41:44.940 Ten more seconds to finish, please. Let him finish his point.

01:41:48.540 That's the opportunity we have. That's the opportunity we have in carbon capture.

01:41:52.040 That's the opportunity we have in small modular reactors.

01:41:54.080 That's the opportunity we have in hydrogen beyond.

01:41:56.200 This country can be a clean energy superpower.

01:41:59.480 My government will help deliver it.

01:42:00.560 And that is time for this segment.

01:42:02.120 Gentlemen, let us go to our final theme, which is called leading in a crisis.

01:42:09.880 Canadians know how to weather a storm.

01:42:11.740 Canadians know how to get through a difficult time.

01:42:13.480 If, at the end of the day, we end up with the balance of power,

01:42:17.840 Quebec is safer than it could be in any other scenario.

01:42:21.380 Now is not a time for weakness.

01:42:23.360 Now is the time to take back control.

01:42:25.780 Canadians are always ready when someone else drops the gloves.

01:42:30.980 Okay, leading in a crisis is a pretty broad theme

01:42:33.400 that allows us to explore many different avenues here.

01:42:35.960 So let's get to it.

01:42:36.840 Mr. Carney, you get the first question this time.

01:42:39.040 We haven't balanced a budget in this country in 17 years,

01:42:42.220 and 10 of those years were under your party.

01:42:44.640 You have pledged to get us to a balanced budget in three years.

01:42:48.100 Question is, how?

01:42:50.700 So let me put this in the context of leading in a crisis,

01:42:55.620 which is in a crisis, you've got to plan for the worst.

01:42:58.580 Worst is that the U.S. actually does want to take us over.

01:43:01.200 Secondly, you've got to have a plan, a plan to build,

01:43:04.120 and I'll include a fiscal plan, and I will get to that in a second.

01:43:06.560 The third thing is you need to respond in a crisis with overwhelming force.

01:43:11.340 You need to think big. You need to move rapidly. The things we've been discussing today are a

01:43:16.840 subset of what we can and should do as a nation and we can deliver. And government can play a

01:43:23.560 role, but its role has to be catalytic. And so our approach is that we will slow the rate of

01:43:30.060 spending. It's been growing at 9% a year, operational spending, program spending, away

01:43:34.600 from transfers, away from transfers, 9% a year. We'll slow that to 2%. We will focus on

01:43:40.760 a small amount of capital spending by the federal government in order to drive enormous private

01:43:47.220 investment up to half a trillion dollars by five years. Thank you, Mr. Carney. Ukraine surely

01:43:53.480 constitutes a crisis leading in a time of crisis. Mr. Polyev, question for you. If the United States

01:43:59.960 withholds support from Ukraine going forward, do you believe Canada should commit more to assist?

01:44:05.340 I believe we should continue to support Ukraine. Our party supported donating missiles that the 1.00

01:44:13.220 Canadian military was decommissioning. We supported funds and other armaments to back

01:44:18.300 the Ukrainians in the defense of their sovereignty. We also need to rebuild our own Canadian military

01:44:24.380 because the Russians want to make incursions into our waters. We'll be buying four massive 0.99

01:44:30.620 Arctic icebreakers. I'll be opening the first Arctic base since the Cold War in Canada, CFB

01:44:38.180 Iqaluit. We're going to double the size of the Arctic Rangers and fill the vacancies in our

01:44:43.360 Canadian armed forces. We need a change to rebuild our military, which has been so disintegrated

01:44:49.560 under the cuts and the mismanagement of the last 10 years. But we can have a change because we have

01:44:56.260 the best soldiers, sailors, and airmen in the world,

01:44:59.520 and they will have full backing from my government

01:45:01.920 if you give me the honour of becoming Prime Minister.

01:45:05.120 I may come back to that one in the open forum,

01:45:07.180 because I'm not sure we got an answer about Ukraine on that one.

01:45:09.420 But okay, going on.

01:45:11.740 Monsieur Blanchet.

01:45:12.140 The answer was yes.

01:45:14.600 We'll get more details, perhaps, as we go forward.

01:45:17.340 Monsieur Blanchet, given the U.S. trade war,

01:45:19.160 should any talk of a referendum on Quebec independence be put on pause?

01:45:24.400 That one is easy.

01:45:25.440 It will happen only after the negotiation is over, and that's a good thing.

01:45:30.200 I want to say, I support the idea, we must help Ukraine, but we also must help the civilians of Gaza, and we must destroy Hamas, which is a terrorist organization.

01:45:42.920 You know what? I don't want to be the leader of Canada.

01:45:46.620 You will understand that. I don't want to be prime minister.

01:45:48.780 But I can offer to be a partner, a responsible partner, a collaborative partner, if Quebec is respected in its differences, in its aluminum industry and lumberwood industry and culture and French language and values of secularity of the state, which is the price to be paid in order to have real equality.

01:46:11.820 Then, if we are respected, we will be a partner,

01:46:15.880 and then even Canada will be stronger in its negotiation against Donald Trump.

01:46:22.180 This is what I am offering. Respect us.

01:46:25.900 Mr. Singh, I watched last night's debate.

01:46:28.600 You seem very eager to talk about health care,

01:46:30.540 so let's talk a little more health care right now.

01:46:32.620 You have made many promises on health care.

01:46:35.500 If a province says to you, we'll take your money for health care,

01:46:40.080 but not your conditions on how to spend it, what do you do?

01:46:44.420 We've got to negotiate.

01:46:45.660 We can't be giving away money without clear conditions.

01:46:49.340 We're in a healthcare crisis right now,

01:46:51.880 a crisis that is hurting people across this country.

01:46:55.260 People are waiting desperately in line in emergency rooms for hours and hours.

01:47:01.560 Seniors are waiting for years and years to get the care that they need

01:47:05.880 for surgeries that would remove pain

01:47:08.140 or help them deal with mobility issues.

01:47:10.420 We're in a serious crisis.

01:47:12.020 Healthcare workers are burnt out.

01:47:14.620 They are overstretched.

01:47:16.280 And what we're seeing is more and more privatization

01:47:19.200 and that is hurting our public universal healthcare system.

01:47:21.900 So we've got to fight back against it.

01:47:23.300 We cannot allow our public money

01:47:26.100 to go to a for-profit private clinic

01:47:28.940 lining the pockets of a rich CEO or investors

01:47:32.400 instead of going towards care.

01:47:33.980 We need to make sure that we are investing in solutions where care gets to people not profiting those at the very top.

01:47:41.240 And so that's my commitment.

01:47:42.220 I'm going to fight to make sure we defend our health care against the threats of Americanization and privatization.

01:47:46.840 Okay, we now go to open forum debate.

01:47:48.540 And perhaps, Mr. Polyev, you get the first word here.

01:47:50.440 This might be a good time to put a little more flesh on the bone of what you think Canada could do for Ukraine if the U.S. backs out.

01:47:56.680 Yes, and my answer is that we should continue to support Ukraine.

01:48:00.120 We don't need to follow the Americans in everything they do. 1.00

01:48:02.420 When they're wrong, then we will stand on our own and with other allies.

01:48:06.820 And with respect to Ukraine, that, of course, includes support with intelligence, equipment, armaments.

01:48:14.140 But it also includes defunding Putin.

01:48:17.380 Right now, Vladimir Putin has a monopoly on the European energy market because, frankly, the Liberals blocked exports of Canadian natural gas off the Atlantic coast.

01:48:28.640 They blocked multiple projects.

01:48:30.500 I would rapidly approve those projects on national security grounds so that we can actually ship Canadian natural gas over to Europe, break European dependence on Putin, defund the war, and turn dollars for dictators back into paychecks for our people.

01:48:49.980 Mr. Carney, you wanted to add?

01:48:51.200 Well, I want to go to the situation in Ukraine because it's very important.

01:48:54.760 And we've been a steadfast, Canada has been a steadfast ally, and Canadians have stepped up, welcoming Ukrainians into their homes and supporting them in other ways.

01:49:04.540 You know, in my first month as Prime Minister, we joined the Coalition of the Willing to support Ukraine as the U.S. Step Back. 0.73

01:49:11.400 So led by France, the United Kingdom, with Ukraine number, European nations, Australia, ourselves, New Zealand.

01:49:18.680 That's an example of how the new world is going to be.

01:49:22.340 Canada participating in these areas and helping.

01:49:25.260 It also means open trade.

01:49:26.800 Mr. Poliev voted against free trade agreement with Ukraine.

01:49:30.940 It means aid for Ukraine.

01:49:32.480 Mr. Poliev wants to cut foreign aid, including for Ukraine, or not.

01:49:36.520 He didn't mention support for aid for Ukraine.

01:49:38.860 We have to stand by them.

01:49:41.040 We have to be there, and this government has been.

01:49:42.840 Mr. Singh.

01:49:43.280 New Democrats absolutely support standing with Ukraine, and we'll continue to do that.

01:49:47.160 But I appreciate the opportunity in talking about leadership in crisis, talk about many of the crises we're up against.

01:49:53.720 And one of the crises we're up against in our country with the threat of Donald Trump, with the threat of the trade war and with the privatization and Americanization of our health care system is the health care system.

01:50:04.880 And what we have learned today, you know, Mr. Carney mentioned slowing operation spending.

01:50:09.260 That's a cut to services.

01:50:11.260 He said his plan, he has a plan to balance the operating budget within three years.

01:50:15.660 That's going to require massive cuts to spending.

01:50:18.200 We calculated that at $43 billion in cuts.

01:50:21.420 In fact, Rosemary Barton, when he was on the show on February 16th, he said it would cut

01:50:25.600 spending.

01:50:26.380 He said it would be in operations.

01:50:27.760 He defined it as transfers in health.

01:50:30.660 And finally, longtime liberal and former House leader Karina Gould said that Mr. Carney's

01:50:35.900 plans would mean massive cuts.

01:50:38.540 That's the only way to achieve it.

01:50:40.040 So, Mr. Carney, do you think it is leadership to cut health care at a time when it is in crisis?

01:50:46.160 I think it is wrong.

01:50:47.020 We can't do that.

01:50:48.980 We will not cut transfers for health care.

01:50:51.460 We will not cut health care spending full stop.

01:50:53.860 We'll have a detail, if I may.

01:50:55.080 Who do we believe, Mr. Carney today, or the one he spoke on Rosemary Barton's show on February 16th?

01:51:00.920 The one that repeated again that he would cut spending?

01:51:03.140 Who do we believe?

01:51:03.900 If I may, consistently said we'll preserve all transfers to the provinces, including the increases.

01:51:10.040 We will preserve all the transfers to individuals,

01:51:12.440 I won't detail them all, but we're looking at addressing

01:51:16.120 an operational spend, which is about $150 billion.

01:51:20.680 We will address that, we will make it more efficient,

01:51:22.760 and we will do it in three years, and we'll balance that budget.

01:51:24.920 Monsieur Blanchet.

01:51:25.480 I am six minutes behind Mr. Carney,

01:51:28.360 so I will speak a little bit longer.

01:51:30.120 First, I will support any initiative which will bring Canada,

01:51:35.800 aligned with Europe and NATO, in order to be stronger

01:51:39.640 and facing new threats. I believe that 2% won't be enough. I'm not more in favor of war than anybody

01:51:47.720 else, but we have responsibilities and our main ally is removing himself from the stage. So we

01:51:55.480 have to step up. We have to do our part. I want to go somewhere else entirely, however. I want to ask

01:52:01.240 Mr Carney if we're speaking about leadership here if Quebec and Canada were to say you are not being

01:52:11.640 given a majority government there will be more conservatives than you would like maybe more

01:52:18.040 the new democrats than you would like and more people from the block than you would like

01:52:23.240 will you accept because you don't seem to very to be very eager about that to deal with people

01:52:31.240 which basically are more experienced than you are, as legitimate as you are, and would be more representative altogether than you would be being alone in your little kingdom.

01:52:44.400 And I want also to propose to you all guys that one week after the election, one week after the election, we all meet, whatever the result, and we start dealing with this crisis together.

01:52:58.700 because this is what people, either they are from Alberta or Quebec or wherever,

01:53:03.440 this is what people expect from us.

01:53:05.700 Mr. Kari, is that something you could get behind?

01:53:07.560 I look forward to meeting with everyone.

01:53:10.980 You're welcome to come, Steve, if you'd like.

01:53:14.000 We have a choice, but also...

01:53:15.160 That's not very respectful.

01:53:16.920 No, but I'm coming...

01:53:20.160 On peut jaser un peu.

01:53:22.680 I come to the court.

01:53:24.040 On j'avoue.

01:53:24.360 Yeah, okay. I'll come to the court.

01:53:25.960 But in a crisis, yes, you need a team, and you need to bring the country along with you.

01:53:35.440 So what I did in the first week was to bring the premiers together, meet with all the indigenous leaders, and move forward in that context.

01:53:46.840 Now the question is, who's going to lead out of this?

01:53:51.240 Whoever leads out of this, if I may, Mr. Blanche.

01:53:54.140 You may.

01:53:54.460 Whoever's going to lead out of this is going to need to work with all the provinces, work with Labour, work with Indigenous leaders, work with all Canadians to bring them forward in a united front.

01:54:07.180 And one of, and I'll make this last point, one of the things that has happened, which is a credit to those people at home, is that Canadians are coming together.

01:54:17.840 And it's our responsibility to meet the strength of Canadian unity.

01:54:22.520 I have one small point to make, you will be elected if you are elected in the parliament

01:54:28.360 where there are other leaders. I don't know if he called you or Mr. Puedev, I don't know if he

01:54:33.640 called you, but before yesterday you have not spoken to me once, even if I proposed it so many

01:54:40.040 times, but you say I speak to provinces leaders. You're not elected in provinces, you are in the

01:54:46.120 parliament where people are to make decisions which might not always suit you, but this is

01:54:52.120 democracy too much about i'm going to jump in here because i'm noticing what the clock is saying and

01:54:58.280 you brought up gaza earlier and i think our audience would be interested in hearing your

01:55:02.600 views on the other major international crisis uh facing the world before we get that just to

01:55:07.880 finish up on the healthcare i just want to speak to healthcare workers right now who are deeply

01:55:11.800 worried about the status of our healthcare system to canadians who believe and love our universal

01:55:17.240 public healthcare system to patients who are stressed out if you're worried about wish mr

01:55:21.480 Carney to believe, the one today or the one who spoke on freebie of shows and said he would cut

01:55:26.520 over New Democrats and we will fight to defend our health care. I think your supporters would

01:55:30.920 really like to hear what you have to say about this question and we have less than five minutes

01:55:34.600 for it here. What role should Canada play in the other major international crisis in this world

01:55:41.000 in the Middle East and the war in Gaza? Pierre Polyev, would you start us off on that? What role

01:55:45.240 can canada play well first of all we must condemn hamas and more importantly the terror sponsors in 1.00

01:55:53.360 tehran who initiated the attacks the horrific attacks of october 7th we need to just to just

01:56:00.660 to defeat the terrorists so that all the peoples of the world can live in peace and defend the

01:56:07.300 right of yes palestinians to have their own lives free from the oppression of hamas dictators and

01:56:14.320 Iranian intervention, while Israel has the ability to live in freedom and peace. But I also want to

01:56:19.000 say we need to get back to the Canadian tradition, which is that when people come to this country,

01:56:23.640 they leave foreign conflicts behind. The rampaging riots targeting Jewish communities is utterly

01:56:30.160 unacceptable, and it points to the growing chaos that we see on our streets after 10 years of

01:56:36.740 incredibly irresponsible liberal policies, of weak borders, of dividing people into groups,

01:56:42.300 of saying one thing to one group

01:56:44.680 and the opposite to another,

01:56:46.340 dividing and conquering.

01:56:47.680 We must end that division

01:56:49.180 and unite our people

01:56:50.800 so that everyone feels safe

01:56:52.660 and that when we come here,

01:56:54.360 we put our foreign conflicts behind

01:56:56.660 and we put Canada first.

01:56:58.820 People come from countries

01:57:00.380 from around the world

01:57:01.240 and they care deeply

01:57:02.080 about where they come from

01:57:02.960 and they should be able to do so.

01:57:04.420 That's a part of being in our country

01:57:06.000 to have that freedom.

01:57:07.440 Your treatment of Palestinians 0.97

01:57:08.440 has been frankly disgusting. 0.97

01:57:10.160 Your treatment of people

01:57:11.080 who provide care

01:57:11.960 and service for people in Gaza has been disgusting.

01:57:14.660 On top of that, people in Israel and in Palestine

01:57:17.000 deserve to live in peace and security.

01:57:18.840 And Mr. Carney, to date, you've not acknowledged

01:57:20.860 that what's going on in Gaza

01:57:21.960 has now clearly become a genocide.

01:57:23.820 It's important to call things out as they are,

01:57:26.020 and you've not done that.

01:57:26.920 Mr. Carney.

01:57:28.180 We need to work, to go to your question,

01:57:30.120 we need to work with our international partners,

01:57:32.700 maximum pressure, maximum encouragement

01:57:34.120 for an immediate ceasefire.

01:57:35.580 Those are the first things.

01:57:36.820 Encourage the return of all of the hostages.

01:57:39.340 Resumption of humanitarian aid.

01:57:40.780 My government put in place $100 million of humanitarian aid, which is ready to go.

01:57:47.460 With respect to where this ultimately goes, yes, two-state solution,

01:57:51.840 but it has to be a viable and free Palestinian state living side by side in peace and security with the state of Israel.

01:58:00.560 I will underscore one other thing.

01:58:02.680 Mr. Poliev rightly mentioned Iran, the Iranian sponsors in this region.

01:58:07.320 We have to be clear-eyed about the fundamental risks of Iran and do everything with our international partners to check it and turn it. 1.00

01:58:16.480 Monsieur Blanchet.

01:58:17.040 If we are to work together, we will have to be consistent.

01:58:22.400 The Jewish community in Quebec and Canada is harassed by a very little minority of radical Islamists.

01:58:31.760 And we don't do so much.

01:58:36.040 The law in Canada says that somebody may invite people to be violent, to propose genocide against another people, if they can be hidden behind a religious motivation.

01:58:52.760 They are in agreement with that.

01:58:54.620 They are in agreement with that.

01:58:55.800 They are in agreement with that.

01:58:56.860 And we say it is a crime to invite people to violence and killing other people.

01:59:03.420 And this is what is being done very often in Canada and Quebec

01:59:07.940 with the approval of the Criminal Code of Canada.

01:59:11.380 And we are saying this has to be changed.

01:59:13.920 We have to change what we do before we want people elsewhere to change what they do.

01:59:19.760 Last minute in the segment, Mr. Polyef.

01:59:22.140 This is about crises and leadership.

01:59:24.840 and one crisis we have is in immigration because of the this liberal government's commitment to a

01:59:32.000 radical policy called the century initiative which seeks to bring our population up to 100 million

01:59:37.480 people they have allowed massive overcrowding in our communities that has caused housing shortages

01:59:43.180 job shortages don't blame immigration for the fault of your government and if i could

01:59:46.620 i didn't interrupt you i did not interrupt you i did not interrupt you don't blame i do not blame

01:59:52.200 Let him finish.

01:59:54.160 I do not blame immigrants.

01:59:56.060 I blame the liberal government, which brought this policy on.

01:59:59.580 And Mr. Carney wants to continue with the Century Initiative.

02:00:02.580 This is crazy.

02:00:03.720 We have to get back to normal levels of immigration, get rid of the fraud in the temporary immigration system, 1.00

02:00:10.480 and ensure that the people who come here can arrive in numbers that we can house, employ, and care for.

02:00:18.500 That's how it always was, and that's how we're going to restore it.

02:00:21.580 Thank you, Mr. Paliyev. That is our time for this segment.

02:00:24.460 Those are our five themes, but we are not done yet.

02:00:27.220 We are entering the next section of our debate tonight,

02:00:30.900 what we're calling the leader's choice, something a little bit different.

02:00:34.200 Each of you will get the chance to ask a question, any question, of any other leader.

02:00:39.520 You can then debate the answer, and each one on one will last for three minutes.

02:00:45.860 So, Mr. Singh, you have the first option here.

02:00:48.580 Who do you want to ask your question of?

02:00:49.760 Mr. Carney.

02:00:50.540 Go for it.

02:00:51.040 Mr. Carney, as chair of Brookfield Investments, your company is one of the biggest tax dodgers

02:00:56.080 in Canada.

02:00:57.420 As chair, you approved decisions where Brookfield Investments bought up affordable homes, kicked

02:01:02.340 out the tenants, and jacked up the rates.

02:01:04.640 As prime minister, one of the first things you did was a tax cut that helped out mostly

02:01:08.940 millionaires.

02:01:10.260 And you have a plan to cut services for people.

02:01:13.800 I expect that of Mr. Pierre Polyev and the Conservatives.

02:01:16.880 That's very much a conservative plan.

02:01:18.680 So my concern is that doesn't sound like what people want for a liberal leader.

02:01:22.700 So my question to you is, Mr. Carney, whose side are you really on?

02:01:29.080 Thank you.

02:01:30.080 Thank you very much for that question, Mr. Singh.

02:01:33.560 I'm on the side of Canadians.

02:01:35.140 I'm in this for Canadians.

02:01:36.300 I work for Canadians.

02:01:37.300 But you know, I have a track record of public service for this country.

02:01:44.640 back to something Mr. Blanchet referenced earlier, which is, have I resolved any crisis?

02:01:52.540 We're in Quebec. If you ask anyone in the finance industry, if you ask anyone in government

02:01:56.960 in Quebec in 2008, they'll know that I resolved the biggest crisis in Quebec.

02:02:02.940 We'll do that. You won't have fun.

02:02:05.220 60 million.

02:02:06.100 Hang on. Hang on. This is for these two of them.

02:02:08.800 This is for these two.

02:02:09.980 Yes, I have had a long career in the private sector.

02:02:15.340 I'm proud of that career.

02:02:16.440 I've always acted with integrity.

02:02:19.100 And it brings me with experience that I can apply in this moment of crisis.

02:02:25.100 And you certainly have served the country.

02:02:26.680 But the problem is, who have you served?

02:02:28.680 You've served to benefit those at the very top.

02:02:31.440 You jacked up the price of homes for people living in affordable homes as a strategic decision.

02:02:36.140 you dodge taxes and then your decisions as prime minister show you're not prioritizing people but

02:02:41.820 you're pricing big business they're billionaires so the uh what what have we done uh as a government

02:02:47.500 directly so we've gone directly to workers using all of our proceeds from uh the tariffs committing

02:02:53.340 all of them for workers the workers most affected the employment insurance unlike others unlike

02:02:58.540 others who plan to use them to cut taxes.

02:03:04.120 We are focused on...

02:03:06.040 The amount of the PI is not high enough, though.

02:03:07.040 You have to accept that.

02:03:08.400 Right now...

02:03:08.700 There will be additional programs.

02:03:10.400 I am fully confident that the next government,

02:03:13.340 whatever government is formed,

02:03:14.440 certainly if I'm in the next government,

02:03:16.200 we will make additional programs.

02:03:18.020 But you didn't do that so far, though.

02:03:19.240 Well, I can't...

02:03:20.140 You could have.

02:03:20.580 You couldn't, given that we're an election.

02:03:23.680 You could have increased the amount, though.

02:03:24.720 May I make a core point here, if I may,

02:03:27.080 Which is that when you think about workers here today and people watching at home, particularly younger people,

02:03:32.580 there is an enormous opportunity in the trades, in the skilled trades.

02:03:36.860 We are going to build this country in a way that has not been seen before.

02:03:40.340 We are literally talking about hundreds of thousands, not jobs, but careers in the trade.

02:03:44.740 And that's why we're investing in apprenticeships and mid-careers.

02:03:47.780 But I think people are worried, Mr. Carney, if New Democrats aren't there to force liberals to make sure they remember about...

02:03:51.600 dollars were lent to lumberwood throughout the whole of Canada. I don't believe that's the right

02:04:01.120 way to manage a crisis since you did not recoup the money from the car industry. Then you have

02:04:07.200 been the manager of Brookfield. It's supposed to be a green investment fund but we now know that 50

02:04:15.920 percent of the investments of Brookfield is in fossil fuel. It's not so green. You

02:04:26.160 seem to want to support oil and gas industry. That's interesting. You want to support

02:04:32.400 prefab housing and it's also in the investments of Brookfield, but not in Canada. You want to

02:04:41.360 to support nuclear power, smaller reactors,

02:04:47.160 which are more dangerous, by the way,

02:04:49.340 and Brookfield has investments in Westinghouse.

02:04:54.760 You have hidden the money of Brookfield in Bermuda

02:04:59.040 and Cayman-Allen, 30 billions of dollars.

02:05:01.980 Billions of dollars lost for Canada.

02:05:04.540 You are having your taxes being paid by families,

02:05:08.680 workers, elders in Canada and Quebec instead of paying your own taxes.

02:05:13.220 So I want to know, will you, before the election, reveal all the details of your assets,

02:05:20.360 as Mr. Singh has done, as Mr. Poiliev has done, and as I have done?

02:05:26.240 We have a right to know under those circumstances.

02:05:29.280 Let's let him answer.

02:05:30.380 Well, the first thing is, I want to say a word about, I'll say a word about Brooklyn.

02:05:35.900 you know, this is a Canadian success story. It is the largest infrastructure investor and developer

02:05:42.680 in the world. It is one of the largest, if not the largest, developer of renewable power in the

02:05:49.360 world. And who benefits from that? That's Canadian pensioners. That's Quebec pensioners. That is

02:05:54.640 teachers, firefighters. It is a series of people, including individuals, including individuals on

02:06:02.680 this stage benefit from that now always acted with integrity serve the

02:06:09.920 shareholders of Brookfield when I was there I have left that I have followed

02:06:14.740 all the rules well in advance reveal your assets and we all did and working

02:06:22.900 for the people of Canada what do you own why don't you tell Canadians and that

02:06:27.220 is time what you own see Blanchet we're moving on to mr. Poliev now who has his

02:06:30.880 opportunity to ask the question of whomever he'd like here and that will be mr carney but if i

02:06:36.640 could look him again by starting by setting the stage the choice in this election is after a lost

02:06:44.000 liberal decade of rising cost and crime and a falling economy under america's thumb do we want

02:06:51.200 to elect them to a fourth term or do we want to change change that you can afford food and homes

02:06:58.480 change so that you can be safe on your street and change so that your paycheck grows faster

02:07:03.620 than your cost of living. Change with a new conservative government. Because Mr. Carney

02:07:08.540 has not changed. Mr. Carney, in 2020, it was recorded, you began advising Justin Trudeau.

02:07:14.920 It's still on the Liberal Party website today that you are Justin Trudeau's economic advisor.

02:07:19.460 They might want to update your website on that. On June 3rd of 2021, you said that inflation

02:07:28.080 would be a sign of economic progress.

02:07:32.860 And you advised governments,

02:07:35.600 including Justin Trudeau's,

02:07:37.600 your liberal government,

02:07:39.060 to print money,

02:07:40.600 which led to the worst inflation crisis

02:07:43.200 in a generation.

02:07:45.940 Now, that means that mothers

02:07:48.480 went to bed with empty fridges

02:07:50.560 and empty bank accounts,

02:07:52.180 worried how they'd feed their kids,

02:07:53.520 that seniors worried they'd be evicted

02:07:54.960 from their homes,

02:07:55.840 that young people believed

02:07:57.420 they'd never be able to own a home in the first place. Now, in retrospect, you look back on the

02:08:04.200 liberal decisions that you advised Justin Trudeau to take. Will you look at the camera in the eye

02:08:09.160 and apologize to the many people who suffered as a result of the inflationary policies that

02:08:15.680 you advised Justin Trudeau to implement? You know, it's, I said earlier, but I'm going to say it

02:08:23.540 again. I know you want to be running against Justin Trudeau. Justin Trudeau isn't here.

02:08:28.800 Are you denying you were his economic advisor? I did not provide any of that advice. I did not

02:08:34.780 provide any of that advice. It's on the Liberal Party website. Are you accusing your Liberal

02:08:39.160 Party of lying about your role? Because it says today you can go to the Liberal Party website now

02:08:43.980 and it says that you were Justin Trudeau's economic advisor. The way you judge, the way you judge

02:08:48.660 someone in my view is how they act what they do when they have responsibility twice i was a central

02:08:54.620 bank governor and in both cases if i may if i may in both cases when i was responsible for inflation

02:09:01.220 inflation was less than two percent i'll add that when i was here responsible for the bank of

02:09:08.000 canada inflation was less than two percent our dollar was at parity that is the kind of success

02:09:13.340 that i can deliver for this country coming on this crisis and what is at stake here what is

02:09:18.500 What is at stake here that gave us the worst inflation that we have had in a generation?

02:09:25.400 Because the policies that you implemented and those of the MPs that are still in your ministry.

02:09:30.620 To the fellow Canadians, the last 10 years has been about the Liberals.

02:09:35.780 The next 10 years should be about you.

02:09:38.320 And that's time.

02:09:40.140 Mr. Carney, good news is the next question is yours.

02:09:43.520 Well, I'm going to ask myself a question.

02:09:44.720 Actually, I'm going to ask a question which has been troubling me.

02:09:53.660 And it's troubling me because, you know, we are in a very dangerous and divided world.

02:10:00.280 Who is it to?

02:10:01.280 I'm going to ask a question to Mr. Polioff.

02:10:03.500 Why not?

02:10:05.640 We're in a dangerous and divided world.

02:10:07.180 We talked earlier about the challenges in the Middle East, the threats from Iran, threats 1.00

02:10:13.540 from Russia, Russia's aggression in Ukraine. We have the threats from China, which I raised. 0.88

02:10:21.300 We have the United States, which is fundamentally changing its security relationships,

02:10:26.560 its commercial relationships. We have all this. And in the context of that,

02:10:33.000 everyone on this stage, Mr. Blanchet, Mr. Singh, myself, we have our top secret security clearance.

02:10:39.760 We have our top-secret security clearance.

02:10:41.300 I got mine within three weeks.

02:10:43.340 It wasn't hard, but I felt it was important that I had it

02:10:46.080 so I could be in a position to be informed about that dangerous world

02:10:49.520 and take decisions out.

02:10:51.200 And Mr. Polyev, it is now 950 days, if my numbers are right,

02:10:57.360 since you've had the opportunity to get your top-secret security clearance,

02:11:02.200 and you've refused.

02:11:04.200 Why?

02:11:04.680 Well, first of all, I have got my security clearance when I was a minister.

02:11:10.280 I got top secret clearance at the time, so there's no problem getting that.

02:11:13.760 But when the government made this recent offer, they said that if I got the secret security clearance briefings,

02:11:20.680 that I would be gay under the security law, and I could be prosecuted if I spoke freely about matters of foreign interference.

02:11:29.380 Now, given that Canada has experienced Chinese interference by Beijing, the government of China, in two consecutive elections, I needed to do my job to speak freely without fear of prosecution.

02:11:44.100 And that was not something I would be allowed to do.

02:11:46.160 Even Thomas Mulcair, the former leader of the NDP, said that when he was the leader of the opposition, he never would have accepted the kind of gag order that your government and Mr. Trudeau's government was attempting to impose on me.

02:11:59.520 And it's good that I made that decision because it has allowed me to speak freely about things like the case where one of your candidates, sir, actually said that he wanted to send a political opponent to China under a bounty threatening his life or imprisonment, and you refused to get rid of him.

02:12:18.880 Now, it might have something to do with the fact that you went to China not long ago to get a quarter billion dollar loan for your company.

02:12:25.020 But the reality is you refuse to stand up for a Canadian who is being threatened by a foreign government.

02:12:31.360 And I was able to speak freely on that matter because I refused the gag order that the liberal government attempted to impose on me.

02:12:38.560 Well, you know, there's a couple of interesting things.

02:12:40.280 I think people at home have seen a robust debate here and it's been a robust campaign.

02:12:46.120 And it has not stopped Mr. Blashe or Mr. Singh at Times during his campaign by making challenges with respect to these issues.

02:12:53.620 So one can address it.

02:12:55.380 I will observe, as someone with the top secret security clearance, that China is not the only country that is accused of foreign interference.

02:13:03.420 And gentlemen, that is time for the segment.

02:13:05.800 That's our time.

02:13:06.560 Now, closing statements are still a few minutes down the road.

02:13:09.380 So we have a little bit of time for some quick hit Q&As for each of you right now.

02:13:14.700 Short questions, 45 seconds, please, on the answers.

02:13:17.620 And we're going to go left to right as I look at you right now.

02:13:19.900 Mr. Paliyev, you get the first question.

02:13:21.920 To the best of my knowledge, you have not offered a hard timeline, as the other parties have,

02:13:26.800 to meet Canada's NATO commitment of 2% spending on defense.

02:13:30.660 When would you hit that target?

02:13:32.960 My aim will be to 2030.

02:13:35.100 That said, when we renegotiate our trade deal with the U.S.,

02:13:40.340 I know it's their priority to see us increase our military budget.

02:13:43.740 One of the things I will say to the Americans is the more free trade, tariff free free trade we have, the faster we can rebuild our military in Canada and reassert our sovereignty.

02:13:55.620 And we will use that money to have heavy icebreakers in the north, beside an aircraft, fighter jets, a new base in the north, double the Arctic Rangers, fill the vacancies in the armed forces and rebuild the warrior spirit that characterized our military since the birth of our country.

02:14:13.260 We will rebuild our forces and we will stand behind our veterans.

02:14:18.520 Thank you, Mr. Poliev.

02:14:19.400 Mr. Carney, your question, you have cut both the consumer carbon tax and the capital gains tax increase that you inherited from your predecessor.

02:14:27.180 Is that an admission that the liberals made life less affordable for Canadians?

02:14:32.480 I think the, let me give you the rationale behind both of those changes.

02:14:37.400 First, with respect to the consumer carbon tax.

02:14:40.160 In effect, it'd become too divisive for Canadians.

02:14:46.160 Canadians received rebates.

02:14:49.160 On the whole, they received more than the tax actually was.

02:14:53.160 But some had represented that it was a tax without a rebate.

02:14:58.160 It became divisive.

02:14:59.160 It didn't serve its purpose.

02:15:01.160 It made a relatively modest contribution to overall climate goals.

02:15:04.160 I got rid of it, first act, made Canadians whole. 0.99

02:15:07.160 Secondly, but with respect to the capital gains taxes, come up again, I'll be quick.

02:15:11.180 This is a fundamental issue.

02:15:12.700 We need to build this country.

02:15:14.740 Builders, innovators, entrepreneurs need to be rewarded.

02:15:17.680 That's why I brought it back.

02:15:18.900 And that's time.

02:15:19.580 Thank you.

02:15:19.880 Mr. Singh, would you change the existing cap on immigration?

02:15:23.300 I've said that the level of immigration, first of all, we need immigration. 0.98

02:15:26.400 It's fundamentally important to our country.

02:15:28.540 And we speak to any small business owner.

02:15:30.580 You speak to people here in Quebec.

02:15:32.820 You speak to farmers.

02:15:34.240 It's fundamentally important.

02:15:35.440 A couple of things, though, we know we need to be able to set the amount of folks that we welcome to our country at a level that it meets our needs.

02:15:42.460 So I would ensure that we've got an expert panel that makes that determination based on our economic needs.

02:15:48.100 We also know that we should we should be very clear that the lack of investment from liberals and conservatives resulted in the fact that we have a shortage in housing.

02:15:57.080 That's something that we've got to fix.

02:15:59.000 I should also point out that if you are worried about the cuts being proposed by Liberals and Conservatives,

02:16:05.180 vote for New Democrats.

02:16:05.940 We'll fight back to protect Canadians and make sure that we've got the right immigration levels. 0.97

02:16:09.780 Thank you, Mr. Singh.

02:16:10.540 That's time.

02:16:11.000 Monsieur Blanchet, Quebec, I believe, is now the only province with a carbon tax.

02:16:15.900 Do you think that's fair?

02:16:17.420 It's not entirely true.

02:16:18.660 It's not a tax.

02:16:19.940 What Quebec has is a system by which we invite big emission companies.

02:16:27.220 I don't know how to translate that to reduce their emissions if they do not then they have to pay

02:16:34.260 it goes into a fund which is invested then in reducing emissions our partner is California

02:16:41.140 which makes this a huge deal about reducing emissions this is what we do this is to be

02:16:48.420 compared to what Europe does and by the way Europe would impose tariffs on Canadian oil if it ever

02:16:54.580 got there uh we're quite proud of that and we have to be responsible because this is much

02:17:01.380 less expensive than doing nothing climate that's time we're going to do another set of quick hits

02:17:06.900 here left to right again and 30 seconds this time monsieur poliev you've previously promised to

02:17:13.540 defund the cbc as one of your very first acts as prime minister is that still the plan yes cbc will

02:17:20.740 continue to operate as a self-funded Canadian owned and controlled non-for-profit

02:17:26.580 that raises money like other media organizations through sponsorships subscriptions

02:17:31.220 advertising licensing fees and countless other things that will ensure Canadians

02:17:36.420 who still want to listen and view its content will be able to do so and at the same time

02:17:42.580 will allow freedom of the press so that everybody has their voice heard and they can make their own

02:17:46.900 decisions. Thank you, Mr. Carney. The next question to you, 30 seconds. Would you remove

02:17:51.300 some of Canada's legal tax avoidance loopholes that companies that you have worked for have used?

02:17:59.300 Look, I think that what we need to do is undertake a comprehensive review of our corporate tax system

02:18:07.300 and do that on the basis of the right principles. We've got to have fairness, transparency,

02:18:14.340 sustainability and competitiveness so we need a tax system the corporate tax system

02:18:22.340 including being part of a international minimum corporate tax through the oecd and that

02:18:28.900 is time mr singh the question for you is if you hold the balance of power after this election is

02:18:33.700 over what would your price be to support another party we've laid out our priorities we want to

02:18:38.780 make sure we bring down the cost of groceries build homes that people can afford i can also

02:18:42.900 tell you that we would defend CBC, unlike Mr. Polyev, who wants to cut it, and we would close

02:18:47.940 tax loopholes and offshore tax havens, even though Mr. Carney didn't respond to that. And selling

02:18:52.980 stocks and shares to make profits and then having less taxes on that is not hard work. And so those

02:18:58.820 aren't the job creators. The people who are job creators are the hard-working men and women that

02:19:03.220 contribute to our economy. Thank you, Mr. Singh. Mr. Blanchet, kind of the same question. If you

02:19:07.780 hold the balance of power in the next minority parliament, if it is that, what would be the

02:19:11.620 price of your support respect for quebec that's quite easy i don't want to go against what canada

02:19:19.140 wants to do for itself but i don't want canada to impose an economic vision or a multiculturalist

02:19:25.220 vision on quebec which is different in terms of language and values and security and equality

02:19:31.140 between people so i want to be a partner and if quebec is respected canada has nothing to fear

02:19:38.820 from the Bloc because we vote for what is good for Quebec, it only has to be good for 0.93

02:19:43.440 Quebec.

02:19:44.440 Thank you, Monsieur Blanchet.

02:19:45.440 Now, we have one last question for each of you, we'll go right to left this time as I

02:19:49.340 look at you.

02:19:50.340 A bit of an offbeat question, Monsieur Blanchet, what is your biggest regret during this campaign?

02:19:57.720 That's a very good question, I'm not very fond of regrets I would say, but we should

02:20:03.960 have started sooner to see that we had to create the environment for a deal in which

02:20:11.200 Quebec and Canada would be, one bigger than the other, but partners to be stronger in

02:20:15.900 front of Mr. Trump and showing that maybe nobody here is the partner to let go alone

02:20:22.060 without being surveyed or controlled or supervised by a Quebec voice.

02:20:27.960 Thank you, Mr. Blanchet.

02:20:29.060 Same question, Mr. Singh, your biggest regret of this campaign?

02:20:32.320 being able to meet as many people as I would love to have. It's a short campaign and so I can't get

02:20:36.480 to as many communities that I wanted to. I think one of the honors of my job is to be able to meet

02:20:41.120 people and to hear their stories and then to take their stories and concerns and bring them to Ottawa

02:20:46.040 and to fight for those people. And so I want you to know even though I haven't made it to your

02:20:49.320 community, I'm going to fight like hell to make sure that you are represented, that we never let

02:20:54.260 any government cut our health care, that we defend the values that we care so deeply about. We make

02:20:58.920 my life more affordable, that's my commitment to you. Even if I didn't get to see you, that's my

02:21:02.720 commitment. Thank you, Mr. Singh. Mr. Carney, same question. Biggest regret of the campaign?

02:21:07.420 To be honest, it's the same answer. This is an astonishing country. It is an amazing country.

02:21:14.060 And the opportunity and the responsibility that comes with it of being with Canadians,

02:21:20.980 hearing their stories, their challenges, drawing strength and ideas from them,

02:21:25.760 and working to be part of the solution

02:21:28.960 is the greatest honor of my life.

02:21:31.280 But the regret is that it is also a big country

02:21:34.640 and it is a short period of time.

02:21:37.200 Mr. Polietz, last word to you.

02:21:39.240 I actually agree with these two gentlemen.

02:21:42.220 I had a rule that at all my rallies,

02:21:44.500 even when they're really big,

02:21:45.720 I would stand in front of a flag

02:21:47.340 and greet every single person

02:21:49.000 and hear their stories

02:21:51.500 and learn their struggles

02:21:53.380 and

02:21:54.960 that was always touching to me

02:21:57.340 that they would put their faith in me or in any of us

02:21:59.520 but we've been in such a rush

02:22:01.380 because we have to get off to the next event

02:22:02.840 so we haven't been able to stop and do that

02:22:04.740 and I want you to know out there

02:22:07.140 I haven't forgotten about you

02:22:08.500 thank you

02:22:09.900 thank you Mr. Paliyev

02:22:12.000 it is time now for closing statements

02:22:13.940 and prior to the debate you drew lots

02:22:15.860 as to which order we would go in

02:22:18.020 and Mr. Singh you get the first word

02:22:20.160 on a closing statement

02:22:21.120 certainly thank you because you voted for new democrats we were able to build this country that

02:22:26.080 we love universal health care and pensions because you voted for us because you voted for new democrats

02:22:31.440 we were able to fight to bring in dental care pharma care and child care because you voted for

02:22:37.600 us because you supported us you have the power with your vote to send more new democrats to

02:22:43.200 ottawa to continue that fight to make sure that no government cuts the things that we hold dear

02:22:48.240 like our health care, to show that we can do everything possible to make life more affordable

02:22:52.720 by making it more affordable to buy your groceries and to get a home. I'm asking for your support in

02:22:58.720 this election so that I can continue to fight to defend the things that make Canada Canada,

02:23:04.320 the things that we hold dear, the things that make us proud to be Canadian.

02:23:07.680 Thank you, Mr. Singh. Mr. Carty.

02:23:09.760 We are facing the biggest crisis of our lifetimes. Donald Trump is trying to

02:23:16.480 to fundamentally change the world economy, the trading system. But really what he's trying to

02:23:21.600 do to Canada, he's trying to break us so the U.S. can own us. They want our land, they want our 0.89

02:23:27.420 resources, they want our water, they want our country. We're all going to stand up against

02:23:32.960 Donald Trump. I'm ready. I've managed crises over the years. I've built strong economies.

02:23:39.820 We will fight back with counter tariffs. We will protect our workers and those businesses,

02:23:45.360 and we will build the strongest economy.

02:23:48.060 We will build Canada strong.

02:23:50.780 I'm asking for your support, the honour of doing so.

02:23:54.040 Thank you.

02:23:54.740 Thank you, Mr Carney.

02:23:56.060 Monsieur Blanchet.

02:23:57.680 For 260 years and a little bit more,

02:24:03.000 les Français devenus des Canadiens, devenus des Canadiens français, devenus des Québécois,

02:24:11.020 You have tried to have them become Canadians like all Canadians, but to no avail, we are different. 0.87

02:24:22.120 So let's be economic partners.

02:24:24.240 Let's have a voice chosen by and for Quebecers, an ally for Canadians as equals in front of Mr. Trump.

02:24:34.900 Monsieur Poilievre.

02:24:36.020 Only in Canada did someone start where I began and get to the stage.

02:24:41.980 I was born to a single mother and adopted by school teachers

02:24:46.240 who raised me to believe in the incredible Canadian promise

02:24:49.300 that anyone who worked hard could do anything.

02:24:54.300 That promise feels broken today.

02:24:57.240 Many of you worried about paying your bills,

02:24:59.740 feeding your families, or ever even owning a home.

02:25:02.920 You're worried your kids are in danger.

02:25:04.680 But I'm here to say, it doesn't have to be this way.

02:25:08.900 With change, we can restore the Canadian promise so that hard work

02:25:12.420 gets you a beautiful house on a safe street under a proud flag.

02:25:18.000 We can do it with hope for a change.

02:25:23.160 Gentlemen, thank you for a very spirited debate tonight.

02:25:26.300 Two quick points before we go.

02:25:27.960 Number one, one of you celebrated your 60th birthday yesterday on this stage.

02:25:32.720 Yves-François Blanchet.

02:25:33.960 Bon anniversaire.

02:25:34.960 Bon anniversaire.

02:25:35.960 Merci beaucoup.

02:25:36.960 Merci.

02:25:37.960 Bon anniversaire.

02:25:38.960 Secondly, you'll notice we didn't have to change the time of this debate

02:25:40.960 because the Leafs already clinched the Atlantic Division title

02:25:43.960 and therefore we didn't need to move the debate to accommodate a hockey game.

02:25:46.960 I'm getting back at my colleague who was in this position last night,

02:25:49.960 and okay, go Habs go, that's fine.

02:25:52.960 With that, we're done.

02:25:53.960 Thank you, leaders, for being here tonight.

02:25:55.960 We are just 11 days from Election Day, April 28th,

02:25:58.960 but there are many ways that you can cast your ballot starting tomorrow

02:26:01.960 at advanced polls.

02:26:02.960 If you intend to vote by mail, that deadline is April 22nd.

02:26:06.840 Make sure to check your voter card for details or contact Elections Canada.

02:26:11.160 This is your democratic right, and we hope you use it.

02:26:15.780 Thank you so much for being with us tonight.

02:26:17.580 I'm Steve Pagan.

02:26:18.360 Good night from Montreal.

02:26:22.320 Thank you.

02:26:23.160 Enjoyed it.

02:26:23.500 Enjoyed it.

02:26:23.520 Enjoyed it.

02:26:23.540 just to share with you the post debate scrums have been cancelled they've been cancelled the

02:26:39.180 post the debates commission leaders to make commission announced that due to security

02:26:44.460 concerns they've decided that there will not be a media scrum this is unbelievable folks

02:26:51.780 This is an assault on our democracy, on freedom of speech and freedom of the press, because we all know damn well that there is no security threat in that building.

02:27:03.380 If there was a security threat, that debate would be preempted and those leaders would be rushed off stage if there was actually a real security threat.

02:27:13.480 The reality is that they cannot let their man and the liberals face independent reporters again.

02:27:22.140 They could not allow another night like last night with a bigger audience.

02:27:27.160 The English debate obviously is much, much more watched than the French debate.

02:27:31.240 So they pulled the plug on the entire thing.

02:27:34.560 We're going to have Kian Bexty joining the line shortly to break it all down for us.

02:27:39.320 And we know that the feed cut out about halfway through the debate.

02:27:42.440 And so you had a little bit of commentary for myself and David, and I said that there

02:27:46.480 was a lot of shenanigans going on.

02:27:48.200 I was sort of watching it with one eye.

02:27:49.580 I prefer to pay attention to the debate, and I thought, I'll watch these clips later.

02:27:54.140 But there was a kerfuffle that happened with a Hill Times reporter and Kian Bextie, and

02:28:00.520 then the attention shifted over to Rebel News' Ezra Levant.

02:28:05.440 And I mean, it was unhinged, folks.

02:28:08.400 The media did not like the independent reporters.

02:28:11.560 There is a revolt going on right now in independent media where you have on one side the state-funded regime media, the bullies, who have no time and no patience for anyone who thinks differently than them.

02:28:25.360 And then you have the beacon of hope and light, I believe, which is a small handful of people like Kian Bextie, like Alex Zoltan, like Ezra Levant.

02:28:36.340 God bless them.

02:28:37.440 They are in there putting a face for all of us.

02:28:40.400 They are there for all of us.

02:28:41.620 And I include myself in that they're representing all of us, Canadians who want freedom, want

02:28:48.340 democracy, want just diversity of thought.

02:28:52.140 And you can see the bullying going on there.

02:28:56.160 So we will provide commentary on the debate.

02:28:59.980 We will talk about that.

02:29:00.720 But I wanted to bring you that news because I know so many of us were just really looking

02:29:05.420 forward to hearing some real questions from reporters.

02:29:08.700 I know it's not about us.

02:29:09.560 And I was telling my husband earlier, I actually really don't like when our reporters and when we become the subject of a story.

02:29:16.500 Yeah, it's fun. And, you know, it's it makes it like a little bit more colorful and we get to send out these heated emails and all that.

02:29:23.740 But I would much prefer to just cover the politics of it and be able to just simply ask her questions and report on the news and the issues and the matters at play in this election.

02:29:34.700 and it's a shame that the focus has to go from the debate

02:29:40.440 and we will talk about it.

02:29:41.800 We will talk about it.

02:29:42.560 I do think that that was Pierre Polio at his absolute finest.

02:29:45.980 I was texting with people and it was like,

02:29:49.600 this is the best I've ever seen from Pierre.

02:29:51.600 I thought that was, he knocked it out of the park.

02:29:53.480 It was fantastic.

02:29:54.980 But there is a sideshow and that is that we're not,

02:29:59.360 we're keeping out of the news.

02:30:01.080 Maybe there will be some scrums.

02:30:02.760 maybe there'll be a way that our journalists find to get to some of these leaders and ask

02:30:06.920 questions. They might have to, I don't know, try to find them on the streets. But

02:30:10.500 just unbelievable that the Debates Commission would stoop so low that the journalists would

02:30:16.460 pressure them. And we showed that clip earlier of David Cochran on the CBC interviewing the

02:30:21.880 Debates Commission head, basically saying, how did you let that happen? How on earth did you let

02:30:27.720 rebel ask more questions than the cbc um and putting that pressure and you know you had the

02:30:34.200 debates commissioner saying well there's only so much we can do right like we do have freedom of

02:30:39.320 press in this country and it was just so absurd uh to see that discussion david uh let's let's just

02:30:47.080 spend a minute talking about the debates commission and then we can go back and talk about the actual

02:30:50.360 debates yeah look i think i think you saw the regime media challenged on the stage by pierre

02:30:57.160 poliev i've never seen him speak so clearly or cleanly i think he his team must be thrilled i

02:31:04.520 mean he was uh he was his best version in terms of being a guy that could take the messages and

02:31:11.560 manage them real time um i thought that he was incredibly disciplined in the way that he remained

02:31:17.240 unruffled by singh who was clearly trying to find a way in um and was interrupting

02:31:24.520 him constantly, but kind of made a fool of himself rather than actually changing the dynamic of the

02:31:29.960 messaging. I thought Carney really took it on the chin a couple of times. The most important guy as

02:31:35.320 an adversary for Carney turns out to be Blanchet because it's not the dynamic everybody expects,

02:31:41.720 which is Pierre Polyev as the neck and neck with Carney taking him on. Blanchet is very direct on

02:31:50.040 the tax havens on the personal uh ethics dynamics on the gaps between what gets said in english and

02:31:57.240 french in different regions and so i think um you know you saw on the stage the the uh media

02:32:05.240 narrative challenged and then you saw in the backstage the media narrative being challenged

02:32:10.920 by the presence of all these independent uh journalists that challenged what was going on

02:32:15.960 yesterday and and the CBC CTV cartel can't take it. And, you know, I think Kian Bext is to blame for

02:32:24.120 everything that happened because, you know, he he got to the front of the line. He asked some hard

02:32:29.740 questions. And I just disagree with the the characterization by people like Andrew Coyne,

02:32:36.560 who, you know, I go for drinks with once in a while and talk to and I think is smart on certain

02:32:40.840 issues but it's outrageous that these questions and these independent journalists which are

02:32:48.040 making the point of asking questions they know people are asking around the dinner table

02:32:52.920 are somehow um you know out of out of line or um you know taking it a platform for themselves you

02:33:02.120 know i heard the characterizations are being used and i i think that you've got a media infrastructure

02:33:07.480 that's it's teetering on the edge right now and you can tell the sort of an old dying format

02:33:14.120 that's struggling to find a way forward and you've got these young vibrant uh aggressive

02:33:21.480 interested you know if you just take a profile of the people asking the questions and you kind

02:33:26.360 of look at who they are and the kinds of questions they're asking it's current it's interesting it's

02:33:31.160 provocative it's actually great theater in addition to being interesting questions and you you look at

02:33:36.680 the old stoic tired rosemary barton andrew coin you know you just sort of take a visual of the

02:33:43.320 four usual type sort of chantilly bear kind of droning about what's happening in canadian

02:33:48.920 politics it's just not that interesting it's not catching people where they live so good on kian 0.99

02:33:53.800 and juno and uh true north and rebel and others that are uh opening up people's minds by opening

02:34:01.720 up the overton window of the issues that should be discussed in this country it's going to make

02:34:05.400 to sell better. Well, absolutely. And we will get to those videos in a second. I want to go through

02:34:10.560 some of the debate highlights. You mentioned that Jagmeet Singh was trying his best to throw

02:34:16.640 everyone off guard. It didn't play well, though, from an audience perspective. Like he was doing

02:34:22.280 his shtick where he was trying to throw people off, but it was jarring. And he kept doing it

02:34:27.060 over and over and over again. And I think that most people viewing that, it just came across

02:34:31.780 is annoying it's like okay we get it right and he he was under London even the moderator who I

02:34:37.960 thought did a fairly decent job actually I thought he did quite a good job um he he at some points

02:34:43.240 said enough Mr Singh it's not your turn right now but to me that just reeked of desperation

02:34:48.440 I thought that Mark Carney just seemed like flat I I don't know how else to describe it

02:34:55.440 kind of boring kind of aloof um it seemed like he didn't really have a strategy I've heard this

02:35:01.300 before that he doesn't listen to his advisors. There was one moment that, you know, this was

02:35:05.340 the knockout blow from Pierre Polyev, and I think we have it, where he's asking, he's telling the

02:35:09.800 audience, you know, are you better off than you were? You know, the classic kind of thing that

02:35:14.520 you'd say during an election campaign, are you better off than you were four years ago? Are you

02:35:18.080 better off than you were nine years ago with the Liberals? Your house is more expensive, your

02:35:21.660 grocery is more expensive. And then he turned to Carney and he said, you know, you have the same

02:35:26.480 team, you have the same MPs, you have the same cabinet ministers, and you even have the same

02:35:30.600 liberal staffers showing up, as Justin Trudeau did, writing your debate, writing your talking

02:35:36.360 voice. This was the moment that I think will be viewed the most on social media. And that's the

02:35:42.400 interesting thing about these debates is that most of the debate won't be watched in full like we

02:35:46.140 just viewed it. It'll be viewed in these little snippets that will go viral. And this clip is

02:35:50.520 already just going everywhere. So let's remind everyone of what it looked like.

02:35:54.320 people are living in terror in many of our communities precisely because of the catch and

02:36:01.360 release bail law c75 which requires judges release the the accused at the earliest opportunity under

02:36:09.680 the least onerous conditions your every single member of your liberal caucus and your liberal

02:36:16.020 cabinet voted in favor of this bill and they are all determined to keep it in place despite

02:36:22.020 constant promises to the contrary. Mr. Carney, Canadians deserve to live in peace and security.

02:36:29.300 That is the right that I'm fighting for, for a change. Whoops, I don't think that was the clip

02:36:34.940 that I was talking about. Do we have the clip where he is talking about the fact that Mr. Carney

02:36:40.700 has the same staff as Justin Trudeau had? He said they're even here in Montreal and that they're

02:36:48.240 writing these talking points for you. So do we have a clip? If we do, let's play that clip, please.

02:36:53.580 The question you have to ask is after a decade of liberal promises, can you afford food? Is your

02:37:00.740 housing more affordable than it used to be? What is your cost of living like compared to what it

02:37:06.060 was a decade ago? And are you prepared to elect the same liberal MPs, the same liberal ministers,

02:37:10.960 the same liberal staffers all over again for a fourth term? Mr. Carney, Justin Trudeau's staffers

02:37:17.060 are actually here with you at this debate in Montreal,

02:37:20.560 writing the talking points that you are regurgitating into the microphone.

02:37:23.800 How can we possibly believe that you are any different

02:37:27.960 than the previous 10 years of Liberal government?

02:37:30.980 25 seconds left in this segment for you to respond to that.

02:37:34.000 Look, I do my own talking points. Thank you very much.

02:37:39.040 So I thought that was the strongest moment.

02:37:41.360 That's the moment that will go viral.

02:37:43.220 And I just wanted to mention, it's interesting that he says,

02:37:45.440 I do my own talking points.

02:37:46.720 I have heard that, that he doesn't like taking advice from people.

02:37:51.240 That might be part of the frustration that his team has with him, that he thinks he's

02:37:55.460 smarter than everybody.

02:37:56.760 But I like that line about they're writing your talking points that you're regurgitating.

02:38:01.500 Yeah, I didn't think that Mark Carney had a very good night.

02:38:04.000 And I think that really like the energy, the difference, the sort of generational difference,

02:38:08.660 Pierre is younger, more vibrant, more energetic.

02:38:11.080 He is, we talked about it before the show started, David, that people who have hope in

02:38:16.340 Canada, people who are optimistic about the future are on the side of Pierre Polyev, people who are

02:38:21.840 afraid and full of fear say that they're voting for Mark Carney. That kind of played out for me

02:38:27.220 because the other thing was that Mark Carney, he must have said the word crisis a hundred times

02:38:32.200 on stage. Everything was a crisis, right? We have a climate crisis. We have a cost of living crisis.

02:38:36.680 We have a trade crisis. There's a crisis in the Middle East. He was really laying it on pretty

02:38:43.420 thick that you know that when people when canadians think of prices and they think they're

02:38:48.780 in danger that he knows that he's the one that that they are thinking of and he really he really

02:38:53.100 played that up but i think again that it was pierre's night and i think he did what he had to

02:38:57.740 do what do you think 100 look i think uh you're right what was so interesting we had the conversation

02:39:03.820 at the top of the debate and uh part way through pierre actually said hope a few times very

02:39:10.860 specifically when he was talking about his agenda and what he wanted to um encourage in people and

02:39:17.260 you're right mark carney uh you know even the closing statements were kind of interesting

02:39:21.580 because in a way the conservative narrative has had to be about the liberal last decade which is a

02:39:28.540 negative um you know theme with conservative principles and ideas being a solution

02:39:34.300 and the liberals can't run on their on their record and so their goal is to kind of create

02:39:41.120 a negative storyline about canada's future vis-a-vis trump and so it's a trump crisis

02:39:46.340 but i think what you see with mark carney is is the uh classic sort of left perspective that a

02:39:53.000 crisis is too good a thing to waste and what they mean by waste is it's an opportunity to impose

02:39:57.740 more state control more government regulation higher taxes more borrowing um more getting out

02:40:04.700 of uh you know more more getting out of whatever the crisis is by expanding the government expanding

02:40:10.620 the debt burden that'll be on the next generation and it's it's not a very uh you know it's a story

02:40:16.540 that works if you buy the crisis if you don't buy the crisis not a story that works very well

02:40:20.540 i actually think the problem for mark carney that became apparent during this debate is that already

02:40:26.860 a lot of his themes are dated. You could sort of feel that the wheel is turned over the court,

02:40:32.880 even over the course of this last few weeks on Donald Trump as a crisis. And it sounds a little

02:40:39.180 stale. I don't think people are feeling that Donald Trump is the crisis right now. I think

02:40:43.820 if I were to say that, you know, I think affordability, the cost of living, you can see

02:40:49.600 it reflected in what Singh was saying. You could see it a little bit reflected in Blanchett. You

02:40:54.540 could you could see Carney sort of hammering the lines that he's been using in these sort of

02:40:59.580 scripted campaign meetings but you know there's this problem for that scripting which is Pierre

02:41:05.320 has been pretty good at you know he started very much wrong-footed by the end of February through

02:41:10.960 most of March and April but you can see him coming back now and I I think that my you know I I have

02:41:18.200 a sense and again I think you and I have to be careful that we're not too confident that the

02:41:23.080 person that we want to have win is getting it right and the people that we don't want to have

02:41:26.780 do well is getting it wrong we've got to be as clear out as possible but i think it'd be hard

02:41:32.520 for anybody to look at this debate and say carney did great and pierre didn't do well i think

02:41:36.600 pierre's going to come out uh clearly ahead in the way this is evaluated i think singh is done

02:41:41.960 i i really think that he put a nail in his own coffin last night and the way that he handled

02:41:47.400 of those two journalists from Rebel News. 0.81

02:41:52.260 I thought his response was disgusting.

02:41:54.600 I think it's anti-democratic. 0.51

02:41:55.920 I think it was a form of kind of passive aggressive thuggery.

02:41:59.860 And I found tonight, he just seemed juvenile.

02:42:02.900 He was completely out of his depth.

02:42:04.220 He didn't deserve to be on the stage

02:42:05.780 and he acted in a manner that just seemed

02:42:07.720 like he was the only non-adult in the room.

02:42:10.760 Blanchette was a surprise for me in the way he responded.

02:42:14.400 And Carney, I think, went in with high expectations.

02:42:19.500 If you looked at the polling markets and sort of how people thought it would go, the expectation was that Carney would be the winner of the debate, but sort of 43% to 20% or something.

02:42:30.000 And, you know, I think that he underperformed his expectations.

02:42:34.640 I think Pierre overperformed.

02:42:37.020 And I think that Pierre managed to give a lot of hits but not come across as unfriendly or unlikable in the process.

02:42:43.300 that's a tough quite the contrary he came across very human and i think that the closing statement

02:42:51.220 really represented that it sounded like he was close to tears the statement right before the

02:42:55.060 closing statement where he was talking about how he regretted not being able to talk to everyone

02:43:00.180 in the campaign it reminded me there was a video that i think was maybe from 10 months ago or

02:43:05.060 something like that and he was speaking in the house of commons but it wasn't during question

02:43:08.180 period it was during it was a longer speech than he came afterwards and he was talking about how

02:43:13.540 you know there's two groups of people that he meets on the campaign trail uh one that say look

02:43:17.140 if you don't win this next election i'm going to leave canada and he said that that bothers him

02:43:21.060 but those aren't the people he's worried about he's worried about the people who say like you

02:43:24.900 have to win and like they don't have the choice of moving countries like they they actually are

02:43:29.300 just like at the very end and he describes a woman who is working three jobs then her car got stolen

02:43:34.340 anyway it was that that was like the best Pierre Polyev and we saw kind of a glimpse of that when

02:43:39.920 he was talking about how he really likes to talk to people and I remember talking to Preston Manning

02:43:46.220 about this that the way that you get as a political as a politician the way that you gain your skill

02:43:52.680 in understanding the people is really going to events and speaking at rallies and speaking to

02:43:58.980 people because you're basically testing out ideas and you're getting feedback in real time right so

02:44:03.980 you start to see like which issues really resonate you know you're watching the audience people

02:44:07.800 nodding their head people seeing it Preston Manning was uh this was during COVID and he was talking

02:44:11.580 about how hard it is to campaign in an era of COVID when you're doing everything through Zoom

02:44:15.660 that you just kind of lose touch with the public and in some ways it reminds me of this campaign

02:44:20.500 because I just don't think that Mark Carney does that I think that he is used to speaking kind of

02:44:25.980 on a teleprompter to to in corporate comms world Davos like he's not used to actually connecting

02:44:33.000 with people. He's used to making policy from far away and dictating it. And you kind of contrast

02:44:38.520 that with Pierre Polyev. And, you know, he gets called a populist and he, you know, they kind of

02:44:43.600 use it as a slur, like, oh, these big rallies are Trumpian or whatever. But really quite the opposite.

02:44:48.120 Like Pierre is interacting with so many Canadians. He's learning so much about the country. He's

02:44:52.940 hearing so many people's stories and he's using that. He's a smart guy. He's using that to craft

02:44:57.840 his policies. So I think that all of his policies come from a place of real concern and, you know,

02:45:03.220 real interactions with people. And that really came through when, you know, he kind of like

02:45:08.400 almost teared up when he was talking about how he hasn't had the opportunity to shake hands with

02:45:13.500 everyone who comes to his rallies because, you know, they're off to the next thing. You know,

02:45:18.260 from my perspective, he should have blamed Mark Carney for that and say, why did you make it such

02:45:23.160 short campaign why did we do the shortest possible campaign why didn't you let us uh you know have a

02:45:28.520 real lengthy election with multiple debates and so we would have had more time to meet canadians um

02:45:34.120 probably good that he didn't go that way um he kept it real and raw and authentic um but i thought

02:45:39.880 that that was a very strong human moment and i think pierre actually you know for all the media

02:45:46.280 criticism that he's he's kind of mean and he's a bully or whatever i see the opposite i i i see

02:45:51.160 someone like who's very raw and authentic and real and um i think that pierre really you know

02:45:59.240 performed well in that regard i want to just mention a few other kind of interesting highlights

02:46:04.840 um there was one moment where pierre polyev was talking about how mark carney was the economic

02:46:09.480 advisor to justin trudeau and carney kind of denied it which was weird because it's like

02:46:15.000 kind of a well-established fact i mean there's lots of pictures of them together there's lots

02:46:18.120 of news articles dating back to 2020 where the press described that Carney was advising

02:46:23.800 Carney and Trudeau sorry and then Pierre Polyev says look if you don't believe me go on the

02:46:29.800 website go on the Liberal Party website and apparently the website like crashed or maybe

02:46:34.840 they took it down like the Liberals like took the website down because they didn't want

02:46:40.520 they didn't want anyone to know which I think is sort of like par for the course for the Liberals

02:46:45.800 like uh they're like oh no we don't want to get caught so let's just kill the website um but i

02:46:50.920 thought that was a good moment i want to ask you though you you said that uh planchette sort of

02:46:55.400 surprised you tonight um so can you just try to describe what you meant by that well look i think

02:47:00.520 i think when you go into you know if you sort of said if you hadn't just seen the debate you said

02:47:05.000 okay how's this debate gonna go the one you know the one question you've got is we got a guy here

02:47:10.280 who's running a separatist party in quebec this debate is going to be focused on a series of

02:47:15.880 themes that are sort of pan-canadian how's he going to make himself relevant in this debate

02:47:20.440 how's he going to manage the the topics and the framing that matters what i found interesting

02:47:26.360 about him was uh he was able to comment and i found this particularly with respect to mark

02:47:32.520 carney he just kept sort of punching at the fact that there was something wrong with the whole

02:47:38.200 dynamic of the mark carney storyline right the offshoring the issues with taxes the issues around

02:47:47.720 how um he was presenting himself in two different places in two very different ways and he was sort

02:47:53.080 of constantly reminding people hey this is a federalist country don't tell me about things

02:47:58.840 that you're going to do federally that actually belong to the provinces like quebec don't spend

02:48:04.040 our money on things that are federal priorities when that's quebec money and what's interesting

02:48:08.520 to me about that is if you had if you had replaced him with uh a lot of people that sort of think

02:48:15.160 from the same perspective in alberta you would see people actually endorsing not the quebec

02:48:20.600 perspective so much as just the federalist perspective you know mark carney jagmeet saying

02:48:25.400 constantly make promises from a federal point of view when actually the jurisdiction they're

02:48:30.520 talking about is definitely provincial and i think that that is one part of the entire sort of

02:48:37.560 liberal ndp 10 years of overreach that blanchette wasn't going to be tolerant of and that ended up

02:48:43.160 being an important theme and sort of a surprising one i think the personal um direction that the

02:48:50.040 comments that he made to mark carney took were surprising because those were delivering a much

02:48:55.240 tougher punch than if they came from pierre paulieff just because the source is somebody

02:48:59.720 you consider to be pretty independent in the way that he managed it my guess is that his team had

02:49:05.560 some micro polling coming out of the french debate that showed him that he's on the rise in quebec

02:49:11.080 and a lot of quebecers have had it with the mark carney storyline it wouldn't surprise me at all

02:49:16.520 if what he'd heard was you know and the the difference in the temperaments you see between

02:49:21.640 the two nights is kind of instructive i think singh was told you just disappeared you weren't

02:49:26.440 even in the game you need to make yourself relevant and i think because he's sort of a jew

02:49:31.720 i don't know how he processed that that uh insight but i think he seemed to interpret that it means

02:49:38.120 that he should interrupt everybody and act like a five-year-old on the staff so i think he buried

02:49:43.560 himself where i'm sure his team was smacking their foreheads being like not like that you know but

02:49:49.160 uh blanchette was very interesting to me like if you had said before the debate here's how you

02:49:54.120 think it'll go i wouldn't have guessed that he would have taken the lines that he took everything

02:49:58.360 that he directed he directed straight at mark carney ignored saying except to make a couple

02:50:02.200 points about federalism it's directed at mark carney mark carney started to shrink in the

02:50:07.720 spotlight tonight and i think if you had said what's the expectation expectation was he's going

02:50:12.760 to struggle in french he did slightly better than people thought he's going to do great in the

02:50:17.160 english language debate he's going to be poised he's going to look like the senior government

02:50:21.560 technocrat that understands how to keep people safe and instead he wavered on a lot of stuff he

02:50:27.080 even cross cross talked himself a few times he wasn't sure exactly where he was going to go on

02:50:32.840 some responses and the surprise to me was that here looks confident and kind of happy and i

02:50:39.560 think part way through it probably dawned on pierre i'm winning this because by the end he

02:50:46.120 was winning it and the comment the point you made about him being emotional i actually thought it

02:50:50.520 it was interesting that all three uh to Jagmeet Singh's credit as as much as I just could could

02:50:57.160 not stand his dynamics uh yesterday or his interactions he is a guy that clearly spends

02:51:03.400 a lot of time with people listening to people and talking to people and you got to give him that and

02:51:07.880 I think that when he was asked that question what's your regret there was sort of a again sort

02:51:12.520 of a stumble bumpkin approach by him that I just can't I just think he's so unprofessional but it

02:51:17.340 did represent a certain kind of heartfelt this is somebody that spends a lot of time listening to

02:51:22.260 people and I think Mark Carney picked up on that and then when Pierre picked up on it um you know

02:51:27.540 the three of them basically said the same thing it's a great country full of great people that

02:51:31.440 have hopes and dreams tied up in what we're doing here on this stage and the promises we're making

02:51:36.400 we hope that they understand we couldn't connect with everybody the way we want to

02:51:40.500 that that kind of thematic I think was an amazing way to finish the night I think it was a credit

02:51:46.880 to all four leaders the way they responded i got to say one more thing candace i'm not going on too

02:51:52.640 long for you here which is this this moderator steve pakin is a pro i agree if it was me i

02:52:00.880 probably would have had it with jagmeet singh after like the fifth time just like check me

02:52:05.280 let's just pause for a second right stop talking through other people wait your turns you know

02:52:11.200 know and i'm sure steve haken's done he's got 10 000 hours both he and the moderator yesterday

02:52:18.300 managed to make these debates really super interesting to watch and i think the canadians

02:52:24.020 do debates better than the americans i think there's more engagement i think there's more

02:52:28.100 dynamism to the conversation i think if you could take out saying just doing these random

02:52:34.040 interactions and interruptions you would have had an almost pitch perfect debate in terms of just

02:52:39.480 pulling the purpose of the debate pulling out what are the key differences between these people

02:52:44.760 what evidence in the way that they respond to questions kind of reveals something about their

02:52:48.760 character strengths and weaknesses and then gives you the insight you need to make it the right kind

02:52:54.760 of judgment i think mark carney came out as the technocrat that he is for better for worse some

02:52:59.640 people light will like that other people won't but it was kind of pulled out in the course of the

02:53:03.800 debate. And I thought that the structure of the debate, the way that it was moderated,

02:53:09.480 struck me as eminently fair, straightforward. And as a conservative, I'm sort of used to being ready

02:53:15.160 to be like irritated by the fact that debate took a certain spin or the questions had a certain kind

02:53:20.680 of framing to them. Sorry to interrupt you, David. We do have Kian on the line. And so we're going

02:53:25.880 to shift focus a little bit and go from talking about the debate itself, which I think I absolutely

02:53:31.560 agree with uh the idea that it was very well moderated but let's talk about the drama let's

02:53:36.360 talk about the juicy stuff uh kian are you on the line here i am can you hear me all right

02:53:42.120 yes i can't see you but i can hear you so uh let's try to figure out your video here

02:53:51.080 all right i'm not sure i'll i'll just sort of describe the situation here if you can hear me

02:53:55.400 all right the video might not work but i'm here standing outside of rosemary barton's tent where

02:54:00.600 she has had armed security guards added to a security perimeter around her to sort of boost 1.00

02:54:07.960 this perception that something unsafe is happening at this debate. It's absolutely clownish what's

02:54:15.520 going on here right now. And you'll see in piecemeal what you can on X right now of people

02:54:22.960 who have posted what happened inside the media room when alt-left journalists lost their mind

02:54:29.500 and started attacking Ezra Levant.

02:54:32.700 They also threw my name around a little bit,

02:54:35.280 accusing me of working for Rebel News,

02:54:37.420 like there's some grand conspiracy with Ezra Levant at the helm of it.

02:54:41.840 It was absolutely one of the strangest moments of my life.

02:54:46.580 Chaotic is, you know, doesn't do it justice,

02:54:53.480 doesn't describe enough how rabid these journalists were. 0.99

02:54:57.020 You'll see videos that I don't know if we can throw to right now, but you'll see videos of Ezra coming in and out of the media room and the gaggle of alt-left journalists surrounding him, pestering him, screaming at him.

02:55:09.080 One of them was with the Hill Times, who came up to me and started attacking me.

02:55:13.520 Because as I was discussing with my colleague, Ellie, with The Hub, the question I was going to ask Mark Carney, which was pretty clear and pretty fair about Ryan Turnbull, his candidate who called gay men perverse.

02:55:26.360 And I'm not going to say the F slur that he used.

02:55:28.920 It's so hateful that you'll have to go read the story at JunoNews.com.

02:55:33.420 But he said it and he apologized for it after I threatened to ask Mark Carney about it at the debate.

02:55:38.120 And as I discussed this with Ellie, this Hilltimes reporter stands up, turns around, and crashes out saying that it's totally unfair for me to even bring this up, that it's not an accurate question, that I'm not reflecting what Ryan Turnbull said in his Facebook thread when he was 30 years old. 0.76

02:55:56.540 Absolutely garbage response.

02:55:58.700 You can tell that they're running protection for the Liberal Party because this was going to be a very damaging question that we asked Mark Carney. 0.98

02:56:05.420 And I would have asked it of Jagmeet Singh if he had a candidate who was as hateful as Ryan Turnbull.

02:56:11.720 But this Hill Times reporter, he identified that this would have been a dangerous question for Mark Carney.

02:56:16.780 And he raised a stink.

02:56:18.420 He crashed out unbelievably.

02:56:20.120 I've posted it on X.

02:56:21.280 I don't know if we can throw to it.

02:56:22.360 Can you tell me if you can throw to it?

02:56:25.820 Yeah, I'm not sure.

02:56:26.860 I think we do have this video.

02:56:28.900 So let me just figure out what the thing is.

02:56:31.540 This is video A, Sean.

02:56:34.900 so if we can play kian's first video here please

02:56:42.580 you'll see what he does is he tries to defend the use of the term and things get homoerotic

02:56:48.980 slash because plausible deniability also the dudes are being kind of homophobic

02:56:55.700 do you have friends that you get pretty homophobic at times yeah most of my gay friends 0.93

02:57:01.860 most of your gay friends do you know how much do you know how fast uh what was it 0.86

02:57:12.260 do you think he said yeah was it yeah that's run through my gay friends like wildfire they 1.00

02:57:18.420 faggotization they love it they love faggotization they think it's the funniest word they've heard 1.00

02:57:23.620 in a while so ryan turnbull in this voice doesn't actually so ryan turn no i'm not i'm curious 0.98

02:57:29.540 what do you just think that politicians should be off the hook for saying stuff like this

02:57:35.940 what 15 years ago how long he was 30. yeah okay sorry who are you he wasn't a politician so he

02:57:41.620 was this is when he was a 30 year old man okay who called gay men perverse yeah i think i'm

02:57:48.340 i've read through your story and i know you don't even believe that that's what he said

02:57:52.420 Oh, I 100% because I read it. I read it that that's what he said.

02:57:56.560 Yeah, no, I read it too. And you're, I mean, you don't have any sort of morals or scruples, so you just throw it wherever you want.

02:58:03.940 But I read it, and I know you're actually smarter than you pretend to be, so I know you know what he said. 0.99

02:58:08.260 So he typed the words on Facebook, perverse faggotization, referring to gay men. 0.99

02:58:13.160 So that's the only thing he wrote. 0.99

02:58:14.000 No, just calm down for a second, guys.

02:58:15.080 No, I know, but I want you to be honest. 0.99

02:58:16.440 so he said perverse faggotization referring to homosexual men and you think that that's an 0.98

02:58:21.000 acceptable type of language for politicians to use no that wasn't the only thing that he said 0.99

02:58:27.000 he said a lot he said a lot of extremely homophobic stuff and just because he's a liberal

02:58:32.280 you're trying to defend him if this was a conservative okay so if it was a conservative

02:58:36.280 you would call for him to be removed like oh absolutely but aaron gunn hasn't said something

02:58:40.440 like that so just to add some context to this this was in a room as quiet as a library the debates

02:58:49.320 were about to start it was dead quiet and this man turns around and crashes out and frankly maybe

02:58:55.000 we don't have time to get to the whole thing it gets worse he stands up from that point and turns

02:59:00.060 the conversation to ezra levant and accuses him of just crazy asinine things of of funding this 0.86

02:59:06.380 like grand conspiracy against mark carney uh it was pathetic it was strange you anyone interested

02:59:12.320 can go to my twitter page and watch the entire crash out along with other crash outs from

02:59:17.320 reporters from uh ricochet media another alt-left journalistic rag i i you know more like a blog i

02:59:25.140 suppose um it was absolutely a zoo in there uh so you know uh i don't know how long the debates

02:59:33.180 commission is going to survive after what happened here uh in montreal well it's interesting because

02:59:39.820 i'm not sure if you saw this but on cbc maybe an hour before the debate started david cochran was

02:59:45.820 interviewing the head of the debates commission and was scolding him and was saying how did you

02:59:50.700 allow the rebel to ask more questions than the cbc like how dare you and that was a lie that was a

02:59:58.380 line right well of course because the cbc moderated the entire debate uh so the idea

03:00:04.380 but the cbc also asked four questions at the debate last night rebel news also asked four

03:00:09.840 juno news asked one true north asked one as well so uh this idea that rebel had more questions than

03:00:16.280 the cbc is just patently false and it's this narrative that they're trying to create like

03:00:21.040 this this entire country is somehow run by uh right-wing journalists which is just such a 0.80

03:00:25.960 fabrication it's pathetic and they can feel uh candace and they're standing behind me so i hope 0.80

03:00:30.960 they can hear me they can feel the grasp slipping out of their hand the grasp that they have over 0.94

03:00:35.720 the canadian zeitgeist it's slipping they know that their jobs are on the line and they're

03:00:40.480 desperate they're so desperate to the point that they're having these theatrics you can see these

03:00:45.120 police officers here standing these armed guards that they have protecting rosemary barton and

03:00:49.320 david cochran like they're the prime minister this is like pravda level stuff they protect

03:00:54.760 journalists in Russia like this because they know the people hate them so much. Uh, and they're

03:00:58.660 trying to play up this, the act, these, these theatrics and it's pathetic. Well, they really 0.91

03:01:04.040 are like they're, they're, they're taking away from the actual debate. This is just the scenes

03:01:08.840 that are, I don't know if, I don't know if you guys lost me, but I'll just sort of tour you around

03:01:12.140 what this campus looks like. Uh, they're projecting the debates up here and these are the tents that

03:01:17.620 they have set up on mainstream media outlets like ctv cbc and global news uh and uh inside in this

03:01:26.120 big hall behind me is the media room did i did you guys lose me here no you're still there yeah

03:01:31.900 okay so the media room is behind me i i could go in there and show you guys just if you're curious

03:01:37.140 um maybe do it on the live stream but you guys can continue what you're doing and i'll walk in there

03:01:42.740 Yeah, absolutely.

03:01:43.980 You lit them on fire by asking those questions yesterday,

03:01:47.060 and you've got them all riled up.

03:01:52.160 Yeah, definitely.

03:01:53.320 They were upset, and I think what they were upset about

03:01:56.000 was that the questions were extremely fair.

03:01:59.140 They weren't gotcha questions.

03:02:01.460 They were questions that the mainstream media could ask.

03:02:04.600 They just refused to ask.

03:02:06.400 I'm just going to run in here.

03:02:07.600 We're getting in the door.

03:02:10.300 They're the questions that can be...

03:02:11.820 about around the dinner table at night calling us far right right so like every time you watch the

03:02:18.860 cbc every clip that we saw with them reacting to the debate it was like you know just just

03:02:24.300 audience just so you know these are right-wing people they wouldn't even call us journalists

03:02:28.860 these are right-wing media groups and it's like you know why do you have to use that qualifier

03:02:34.060 right like why do you have to describe us that way because you're trying to undermine our credibility

03:02:38.060 because if you just let your own viewers watch from their own perspective they might say oh

03:02:43.180 those are interesting questions and not even really think about the fact that they're outside

03:02:47.980 of what the legacy media deems appropriate because to everyday canadians they're just

03:02:52.060 normal questions right like kian bexty asking mark carney whether he thought prime minister

03:02:57.020 trudeau was a good prime minister like that that is a question that any journalist could and should

03:03:02.300 ask it wasn't beyond the pale in any way it was a great question and the way that mark carney

03:03:07.340 react was was very telling and so the fact that they had to interject to say that that was a

03:03:13.180 right-wing that was right-wing media it's like you know obviously obviously they're just very

03:03:18.300 threatened um by the competition and they're trying very hard to discredit us um steven taylor on x

03:03:25.260 he has a clip of the three adrian arsenal rosemary barton and david cochran and the caption reads

03:03:32.380 CBC blames rage farming and narrow political gain and financial benefit for a very small group of

03:03:39.560 people, that that is the reason for canceling the post-debates. Can you hear me all right, Candice?

03:03:45.460 Oh, we've got Keenan back. Yeah, yeah, we can hear you. Okay, I have Sheila here, Sheila Gunn-Reed.

03:03:51.520 She's with Rebel News, and we're in the press room right now with the rest of the mainstream

03:03:57.480 media and some independent media as well right after uh right after they canceled the scrum that

03:04:03.960 has happened successfully at every single leadership debate that we've been to over the last

03:04:09.960 eight years now i suppose can you just give us some takeaways of what you saw here i tried to

03:04:15.240 describe the zoo that was created by some alt-left journalists who are crashing out about ezra being

03:04:20.680 here and you being here can you describe what it is you saw i've never seen anything like it

03:04:26.360 and it started yesterday and it was tolerated yesterday and to the credit of the independent

03:04:32.360 journalists my team your team uh we conducted ourselves with comportment and dignity in the

03:04:39.160 face of heckling jeering uh some were throwing papers in the back swearing at us i've described

03:04:46.680 it as absolute buffoonery um just poor behavior you wouldn't expect from a professional let alone

03:04:52.920 an adult that's what we were subjected to yesterday um and they didn't like that we got those questions

03:04:58.680 in and you know many of them have wondered how did they get those questions in well i stood up

03:05:03.720 out of my chair and i ambulated about 18 inches to my left and there i was in the line everybody

03:05:09.560 else in here could have done that i hope they hear me saying these things um uh can you describe

03:05:15.400 what you were mentioning about lincoln outside sure i would i will tell you our after the you

03:05:20.760 know i i said to our team uh everybody be ready with your phones because the the scrum is cancelled

03:05:28.200 and everybody's gonna these people are gonna pop off and they're gonna blame us uh for it um instead

03:05:34.520 of the debates commission the pressure they put on the debates commission their own intolerance

03:05:38.920 of independent journalists that's really what's to blame here but i knew that they would turn on us

03:05:43.320 and just the second that the um scrums were cancelled the room just erupted with rage against

03:05:52.680 us left-wing subsidized journalists at the back were accusing us of being the reason that the

03:05:59.800 scrum was cancelled accusing kian who's a very successful businessman in his own right

03:06:04.680 of still working for us um just getting continuing to get all the facts wrong they said that an

03:06:11.320 altercation that was incited and instigated by a hill times reporter over right over there

03:06:18.280 he's right there you see him in a in the green in the green with the mustache anyway uh he just

03:06:26.760 started screaming at ezra at one point and ezra you know it's all on video it's in a room full of

03:06:32.200 200 journalists and they're still reporting it wrong because they they think they can just get

03:06:37.800 away with it uh you know it's i've never seen behavior like that in my life it's the craziest

03:06:44.200 thing it's not even something you would expect from a high school click it's the most the craziest

03:06:49.400 most unprofessional behavior i've ever seen in my life um and then when our team went outside

03:06:55.320 terry gillong oh really terry did it terry did it so on our guys caught it on camera

03:07:03.020 Terry, by the way, works for the Liberals.

03:07:04.840 He's a Liberal media handler, right?

03:07:07.400 He works in the Prime Minister's office.

03:07:09.940 And he assaulted me in grassy lakes when I tried to get close to Justin Trudeau.

03:07:14.160 He body-checked me about six years ago.

03:07:16.360 I've never forgot about it.

03:07:17.980 We use facial recognition to figure out who he was six years ago.

03:07:20.700 And ever since then, he's been one of the most notorious thugs defending the Liberal regime,

03:07:26.120 the media enforcer, we call him, because he prevents anyone from getting close to Justin Trudeau.

03:07:31.200 Oh, and now his new boss, Mark Carney.

03:07:34.740 So what happened to Lincoln outside?

03:07:36.480 So the guys were outside.

03:07:38.020 They were sort of headed towards,

03:07:39.600 they're doing some work outside.

03:07:41.460 And they saw Terry and they, you know, approached Terry.

03:07:46.040 He smacked the camera, like smashed the camera once

03:07:49.580 and then did it again.

03:07:51.860 And the last footage that I saw,

03:07:54.080 because I'm sort of stuck in here

03:07:55.020 trying to figure out what's going on.

03:07:56.960 Our guys were screaming for the police to come.

03:07:59.460 and again all the while this room full of journalists is playing the victim it's the

03:08:06.160 most bizarre thing i can't even like it feels like i'm in the twilight zone because these people

03:08:12.280 are you know blaming us for the debate getting canceled and we've been the victims of their

03:08:17.940 bullying for two straight days it's been really a surreal experience and i hope that the cameras

03:08:24.260 caught that behavior oh i sure did because it's you know the the review of what happened here is

03:08:29.760 going to be uh it's gonna it's gonna take a lot to go through and i think that we'll have some

03:08:34.740 fingers to point at some of the just absolutely disgusting behavior of some of these all they're

03:08:40.340 unhinged you're unhinged i'm more like i don't know how i'm going to get our people in here 0.69

03:08:46.000 out of here given what just happened in the courtyard of cbc radio canada

03:08:51.160 it's it's really it's really unbelievable because like we're the ones that had the most to gain from

03:08:59.320 the debate given the fact that they don't let our organizations into any other political event with

03:09:04.040 mark carney or jagmeet singh you know this is our opportunity this is our one time we have a court

03:09:09.320 order paper saying that they have to let us in and so it's funny that the legacy media are up in arms

03:09:14.840 when they get to ask questions every day right whereas it's independent media this was obviously

03:09:20.520 done to prevent the two of you and ezra who's behind you and alex sultan who's probably somewhere

03:09:26.600 in there as well it was obviously done to prevent the four or five you know independent minded people

03:09:32.840 who are not funded by the government in the entire room and yet you know they turned it around um on

03:09:38.760 you so how is it announced and when did you find out that the scrum had been cancelled i heard a

03:09:44.200 leak from uh i it was leaked earlier and then at the end they came up to the mic and said it's

03:09:49.880 cancelled with absolutely no explanation the rumors i heard was that mark carney wasn't going

03:09:55.000 to tolerate this happening again uh unconfirmed and we can reach out to mark carney's campaign

03:09:59.880 to confirm that i'm sure they won't own up to it but at the end of the day this debates commission

03:10:04.360 was created three election cycles ago to protect the regime and it failed uh and now they're going

03:10:11.080 to be reviewing that i mean they're working in coordination with the liberal government

03:10:14.920 terry guion was the president of the parliamentary press gallery and now the parliamentary press

03:10:19.560 gallery is in this room um dealing with uh acting as staff here so it's you know it's quid pro quo

03:10:27.720 it's absolutely corrupt and frankly it shouldn't exist anymore well it's interesting because if it

03:10:34.440 were privately run and it was just run by the other media companies i i don't think that they

03:10:38.680 would let independent media in the other i mean you you saw how the journalists behave they hate

03:10:42.520 you right like you are um the the ones they're exposing the fact that they're bought and paid

03:10:47.480 for press and so in some odd way having this government commission allowed us to come in and

03:10:53.640 so you know if the debate commission ends again it will be us and the independent media that bear

03:10:59.480 the worst punishment and you could just see that they are so desperately trying um to hold on to

03:11:05.400 their power in any way that they can so uh what's what's the plan next kian what uh what what's your

03:11:11.400 yeah um i'll let sheila go here i just dragged her into this time good to see yeah so i am i am

03:11:20.600 actually going to go and try and find pierre polyev i don't know if i'll be successful in that but

03:11:25.320 uh i believe i know where he is right now uh they're grabbing it after uh i believe i know

03:11:30.600 where they are and i'm going to go try and ask him some questions we'll see if it works out

03:11:35.000 um if i find out where mark carney is i'll try and do the same yeah well we're going to have to

03:11:39.320 find another way to uh get you to get your question uh to mr carney but um thanks for

03:11:45.320 thanks for your time kian appreciate it and keep us updated if anything else happens over there

03:11:49.720 will do thank you wow uh that's really quite something uh just the way that they described

03:11:57.480 how the journalists were behaving like it it i don't want to say it seems like high school but

03:12:03.160 it just seems like but but kind of worse than high school i don't know my my high school's

03:12:08.600 bit friendlier than that i don't think they were like rival gangs that were like at each other's

03:12:12.280 throats and uh yelling and jerry actually i do want to play this next clip because um this is a

03:12:18.680 clip uh sean this is labeled as b and um ezra levant left and they were falsely reporting that

03:12:24.520 he had had his credentials revoked and then he came back into the room and he's sort of like

03:12:28.920 mobbed by this crowd of i don't know if they're journalists or staffers i mean we can figure it

03:12:34.200 out from this clip. But let's play this clip of Ezra Levant being mobbed in the media room

03:12:39.800 behind the scenes of the Debates Commission. What's the common ground? Well, I'm kidding

03:12:47.340 around. We don't have common ground. I don't know what is. Yesterday, I think the independent

03:12:51.740 journalists were a little bit too independent. And the regime journalists are too friendly with

03:12:57.620 the regime. And I've seen a full court press by regime journalists over the last 24 hours.

03:13:04.200 to bring in limits to what independent journalists can do.

03:13:07.640 You mean third-party advertisers, Ezra?

03:13:09.440 Can you talk about the $180,000 you're spending to do advertising voter contact

03:13:14.700 both through 4Canada and into Rebel News Network Limited?

03:13:17.920 I see you're wrong on that.

03:13:19.060 And that's what concerns me, is that 4Canada is a different group that was registered.

03:13:25.720 You paid $170,000 to Rebel News Network Limited. Is that not true?

03:13:30.080 You're getting your facts wrong, Justin.

03:13:31.980 And I want to make sure you're careful.

03:13:34.200 say to you yes we were actually talking about the cbc who want us out of here the cbc want us kicked

03:13:41.720 out we're not leaving the cbc were outraged that mr cormier let us in the cbc had four questions

03:13:51.240 yesterday rebel news had four questions yesterday so there was ezra quite like calmly just sort of

03:13:59.320 explaining i guess what's happening but it's so weird to have people kind of scrumming him i think

03:14:05.000 it was justin ling like throwing all kinds of accusations at them and it really has turned

03:14:11.560 into like a turf war i don't know i love it i love it it's what happens when uh when the bad guys

03:14:18.120 start losing you know they've they've created a boring singular you know easily pre-baked product

03:14:27.240 that satisfies their pay masters it's boring they're losing the canadians don't trust it

03:14:33.560 no one watches it it's tedious it's fake authoritative it's kind of sad it's not interesting

03:14:41.080 it's not no one's no one's tuning in anymore uh you know generationally they're appealing to

03:14:46.440 people that grew up watching tv and that's it that's where they're at and so so yeah what

03:14:52.040 happened yesterday was a bunch of independent enterprising a little bit rebellious younger

03:14:57.880 fun-loving criminal journalists who are independent broke in asked a bunch of questions that people

03:15:03.280 actually find interesting and are buzzing about and the mainstream journalists lost their minds

03:15:08.760 because they feel like they have a god-given right to control what canadians think and talk about

03:15:13.220 and they don't and the thing that's the reason that they're acting violent or in you know i don't

03:15:19.400 know if i want to say violence kind of you know battle of the nerds there you know it's the reason

03:15:24.720 they're acting so aggressive is because they're losing power but they're all they're not just

03:15:29.860 losing like this isn't just a moment what they can sense is this is the end of a cartel right

03:15:35.680 this is the beginning of the end and it's um it's like watching season three of narcos right like

03:15:42.560 you kind of know this is not going to end well for the people that were big shots at the beginning

03:15:47.380 it's all over right if there's anything like market forces in this then these people are

03:15:53.560 going to be out of a job and they know it instinctively their instinct tells them these

03:15:57.300 these are bright people and they can see that independent journalists are rumbling them on

03:16:02.460 stories that they probably should have caught and didn't catch they're asking questions that

03:16:06.760 actually people are asking about they're provoking a different narrative than the one that's accepted

03:16:12.800 That if you went to journalism school, studied grievance studies in university and know that there's a pro forma way to think and talk about everything that's acceptable.

03:16:21.840 If you did your undergraduate degree at Carleton and you decided that you needed to be not oppressed and suddenly somebody comes along and they don't they look like all the people that you think are supposed to be oppressed.

03:16:36.520 like that lovely lady from from rebel news is asking jagmeet singh and suddenly jagmeet singh

03:16:41.640 who thinks that he's you know uh always dealing with white racism is suddenly dealing with

03:16:47.080 somebody who's asking him a hard question about uh a phobia against christianity and the burning

03:16:51.720 of churches and the unjustified basis for that taking place and and the fact that he was silent

03:16:57.560 on it he doesn't those break all of his categories but just as important they break all the categories

03:17:03.960 of all the people standing back in the back of the line

03:17:06.400 because the young woman asking that

03:17:08.200 is straight out of central casting,

03:17:11.060 somebody that they are supposed to say

03:17:12.620 should feel oppressed

03:17:13.740 and following the Carlton journalism narrative line.

03:17:17.560 And she's not.

03:17:19.040 She's actually defending something

03:17:20.540 that a majority of Canadians want to see defended.

03:17:23.920 She's debating, she's forcing the debate of something

03:17:26.140 the majority of Canadians want to see debated.

03:17:28.680 And that's what free speech looks and feels like

03:17:30.960 in the real world.

03:17:31.620 It's kind of wild.

03:17:32.480 It's kind of theatrical. It's kind of interesting. And it needs and demands a response. And if you're part of the old cartel that forever has been following some sad, pathetic, made in French universities in the 1960s, left critical school narrative that doesn't permit any alternative views, then what happens is you just got your house shaken down by that young journalist asking a guy who's so trapped by his ideology that he has to say,

03:18:01.240 she's the one that's got a misinformation problem he refuses to respond to it they they know that

03:18:07.560 that film playing for anybody reasonable rational sane that didn't go to carlton journalism school

03:18:13.160 and learn that they're supposed to be aggrieved and oppressed and anti-colonial it's everybody

03:18:18.280 normal the other 97 percent of canadians see something where somebody says hey this is

03:18:23.080 interesting 200 churches got got burned down or or were attacked with arson and and i want

03:18:30.200 want to understand why you won't call that out when you seem to be the person that's always most

03:18:34.220 interested in addressing any sort of unusual attack or race or ethnic or religious-based

03:18:40.600 attacks. Why not? Suddenly that's a fascinating, suddenly politics got interesting again, right?

03:18:46.360 You could tune into CBC for the next six months and never hear an interesting conversation like

03:18:51.000 that, right? They're going to tell the same old story over and over again about the same old

03:18:55.680 categories that everybody's supposed to care about under the cbc narrative they won't hire her

03:19:01.880 she can't get a job at the cbc because she's not politically correct enough for them right 0.98

03:19:07.300 and her independence her entrepreneurship her freedom of thought her free speech just showed

03:19:13.340 itself up and that's what you see tonight the meltdown like calling the cops putting you know

03:19:18.900 finding a little snowflake place with their safety blankets wrapped around them cbc having their

03:19:24.640 tents, having all their state funding. Our tax dollars paid for that entire array of heated tents

03:19:30.480 and all that law enforcement. And it's all based on a sad narrative of a 1970s cartel that's losing

03:19:36.580 their power. Absolutely love it. Everything that was illustrated on the stage two nights in a row

03:19:41.860 and everything that was illustrated after the fact two nights in a row is showing that Canada

03:19:46.060 has some hope. I think you're completely right. And interestingly, Jamil Javanu, who is a

03:19:52.780 conservative MP in Durham. He once worked for Bell Radio and he was a radio host and he got

03:19:58.920 fired and he sued them because the idea was basically that he's a black man and so they

03:20:04.200 wanted to bring on a black guy post like George Floyd and Black Lives Matter. And so they gave

03:20:08.240 him a radio show and then it turned out he was pretty conservative and he had views that were

03:20:12.640 anti-politically correct, like anti-PC sort of the dogma of the left. And, you know, one of the

03:20:20.640 interesting things that's happened during this, the last 24 hours, and since, you know, our

03:20:26.520 questions were put to the leaders last night, David, is that, like, basically, they're saying

03:20:34.220 that, you know, we're just like too outside the mainstream, and that independent media have an

03:20:41.980 agenda. It's like, you know, that conservatives used to be part of the mainstream media,

03:20:45.820 not too long ago. Even myself, I was a journalist in the legacy media. I wrote for the Toronto Sun.

03:20:52.460 I worked for the Sun News Network. Before that, I was a talking head. I used to go on CTV,

03:20:57.400 CBC, CP24. I did the rounds in Toronto, like circa 2011, 12, 13. Back then, they did have

03:21:05.620 conservative voices. It was a conservative government in Ottawa. And it was a wider tent

03:21:10.820 of what was acceptable in terms of discussion. And over the years, they've chipped away. They've

03:21:15.760 pushed it further and further and further to the left. They've ousted conservative voices. You

03:21:20.160 know, first Ezra Levant was kicked out of the legacy media. And then they kept going, right?

03:21:24.560 They came after people like Andrew Lawton, who was a longtime radio host in London, Ontario. And he

03:21:30.680 got taken off air because he was pro-life. And they decided that you couldn't be pro-life in

03:21:35.160 Canada and have a radio show, even though the radio was predominantly more of a conservative

03:21:40.120 of right-wing uh media you know they got rid of jamil javani i got i i they got rid of me in the

03:21:46.360 toronto sun like they pushed more and more people they got rid of sue ann levy from the toronto sun

03:21:50.340 they they closed the door on conservatives and said you're not you're not welcome here anymore

03:21:55.600 and so rather than just like you know what did they expect us to do just like pack up our bags

03:22:00.000 didn't go home no you know we care deeply about our country we have a lot to say about it we have

03:22:04.440 lot of ideas and we want to continue to do our thing and so you had ezra levant create the rebel

03:22:10.760 i started true north kian bexty started the counter signal we merged those and came together

03:22:15.640 and we started juno news just this year but you know we're going to continue our creative energy

03:22:20.200 we're going to keep pushing the needle we're going to continue to do the journalism that matters

03:22:24.920 regardless of what they do right and if anything we are totally disproving the entire narrative on

03:22:29.880 which their funding model relies which is that there's no business case for

03:22:34.140 journalism in Canada and therefore they need to go hat in hand to the government

03:22:36.540 and get the media bailouts get the newspaper bailouts more funding for the

03:22:40.480 CBC you know Preston Manning in this election cycle wrote to the ethics

03:22:44.460 commissioner and said this is a conflict of interest the party leader the

03:22:48.360 Liberal Prime Minister is offering the CBC an additional 150 million dollars in

03:22:53.280 the middle of the campaign that is a bribe that is a bribe and the ethics

03:22:57.120 commissioner just brushed it off and said, no, no, nothing to see here. Preston Manning's right.

03:23:01.560 There is a serious problem in this country when it comes to the media and the government and that

03:23:06.200 relationship. It is poisoned. And I think tonight was just another example, pretty much just that

03:23:14.100 like we, we don't need the media and they are dying and they're losing their hold over our

03:23:20.480 country. I was hoping that this would be the first election where the legacy media didn't matter and

03:23:25.320 didn't determine the outcome i worry that they still do have that control as we saw the narrative

03:23:29.800 switch and the polling numbers go from mark carney and that is still the impact of legacy media so we

03:23:34.600 still very much have our work cut out for us we haven't accomplished i think yeah i don't think

03:23:38.760 we've accomplished what joe rogan and tucker carlson and uh megan kelly have been able to

03:23:43.960 accomplish in daily wire in the us where the legacy media just did not was not able to determine the

03:23:49.640 outcome of that election um in canada we maybe we're still another five years behind i don't know

03:23:54.360 But, you know, we're chipping away. And I think you're right that the boomers are like the last ones. 1.00

03:24:00.380 And not all of them, because we have some fantastic boomers, I'm sure, watching the stream right now and supporting us at Juno News.

03:24:07.160 And so thank you to to to those watching. But those are the super boomers. 1.00

03:24:11.340 Those are the ones that built it. No, I think I think what's happened is it's actually it's actually a medium.

03:24:18.380 You know, that Canadian theorist Marshall McLuhan wrote The Medium is the Message.

03:24:25.800 It's actually pronounced Massage.

03:24:27.480 But I think his whole thematic was basically, or one core part of his theory was, when you

03:24:35.100 get, you know, there are these generational sort of tracks, right?

03:24:39.500 So there are people that actually just read the newspaper, right?

03:24:42.960 And there's people that are online.

03:24:44.260 But there's generational mapping to that.

03:24:46.640 And I think what's going on right now is people over 60 do rely very heavily on news media, but they also rely on a tacit promise that news media used to deliver, which was that there was going to be this endeavor to present to the greatest degree possible a sort of generically honest perspective or viewpoint of what's going on.

03:25:09.880 And what's happened in the last 20 years isn't just that new media has come along.

03:25:13.820 It's also been that journalism schools have become more and more radicalized along with the universities in general.

03:25:19.500 And the idea of journalism has turned from being trying to report truth, as you understand it, from perspectives that might not be immediately evident to people, right, which makes it interesting, to actually making it into an activist project.

03:25:35.100 and unfortunately like so many other activist projects there it's informed by a you know a

03:25:41.340 bunch of ideological theories that are rooted in left-wing assumptions about the nature of

03:25:46.780 life and what's just etc and those play out and when you threaten that um you see a bunch of

03:25:54.580 journalists act like a bunch of campus radicals because that's how they've been raised they've

03:25:59.000 been told this is all about an enterprise that's rooted in power knowledge is power information

03:26:04.020 is core to knowledge and so if somebody else starts to intervene in that exchange right they're

03:26:11.200 a threat to you and they're a threat to the activist project and i love it i think canada

03:26:16.500 needs a lot more of the nights like tonight where you see somebody doing something crazy like

03:26:21.880 shutting down the scrums because they can't take it because the previous night independent media

03:26:26.900 got questions and the canadians actually found fascinating um and you know can it's the project

03:26:33.500 you're working on is going to go from strength to strength because you know nothing is going in the

03:26:39.040 other direction progressives love to sort of have this line about oh yeah you know it's just like

03:26:43.480 just watch you know they're losing on the climate narrative now that's fading fast esg was a big

03:26:50.360 deal when i was in government and uh you know jason was the premier and we were working hard

03:26:55.460 we had an esg working group we had to turn things around we'd deal with mark carney's destructive

03:26:59.720 influence uh in the uk we had to reverse uh with hsbc and barclays that bizarre uh attack on

03:27:08.940 democracy-based energy assets only you know they were allowed to do deals in in russia and iraq

03:27:14.720 iraq you know saudi and but you see them that was one of the most bizarre things hard to interject

03:27:19.580 i just i never understood that like i remember walking through calgary airport and like the the

03:27:25.100 gangways were like wrapped with HSBC ads and yet they had just announced that they were pulling

03:27:29.920 out of all oil and gas projects. It's like, do you know like what that means? Like why are you

03:27:35.120 advertising in Calgary? You might as well just pull out of the city entirely because it was just

03:27:39.980 so out of touch. And at that point I felt like, wow, like the world is moving in a very dangerous

03:27:46.120 direction very fast. I think you're right though that the mood has changed. Like you could even

03:27:49.860 see it in the debate tonight like usually the conservative leader whoever it is would be hit

03:27:55.300 over the head from all angles like why don't you have a better plan what's your plan to reduce

03:28:00.580 emissions um tonight actually i thought that pierre polly have owned that issue and i don't think that

03:28:05.060 i've seen a conservative own that issue in at least a decade maybe longer i mean i don't think they've

03:28:10.260 ever owned the issue but uh pierre's point about how he would get um lng and he would get uh energy

03:28:18.820 exports to get countries like India off of coal that was again like like that was the point like

03:28:25.120 at that point no one could say anything and he completely won that issue um sorry to interrupt

03:28:29.980 you I know you were making a different point so you can go no no I think that's exactly the point

03:28:33.480 the point is the progressive idea that their theory or their ideology is going to continue to

03:28:39.700 sort of evolve in a uh ever larger you know they're going to capture hearts and minds over

03:28:45.920 time and that eventually the outcome uh towards a big state solution is inevitable this is failing

03:28:53.200 with respect to to the narrative around esg and climate uh conservatives are now on the rise on

03:28:58.960 climate because actually the conservative solution is let's remove two and a half times our entire

03:29:03.360 national carbon footprint by shipping our lng to the coal-based economies that need it so badly and

03:29:10.080 could be cleaned up and wanted right what do the liberals say to that they've had 10 years first

03:29:14.720 four years emissions went up on their watch well they did all these made all these moves to degrade

03:29:19.520 our ability to go to capital markets same thing's happening with legacy media the model that canada

03:29:25.440 has embraced under the liberal party the last 10 years has bell bottoms on it from the 1970s

03:29:30.720 this is not an economic model that can work the only way it works right now is they take taxpayer

03:29:37.120 dollars which in canada unfortunately is debt they give it away to their favorite media

03:29:41.760 organizations to stay in line then they spend taxpayer dollars debt on huge advertising budgets

03:29:48.960 that get given to the same legacy media as another form of funding that also re-endorses government

03:29:54.080 messages to their own citizens through advertising revenue and then if that doesn't work that the two

03:30:00.400 carrots don't work the stick is we're not going to give you access to the government the stories you

03:30:04.480 want to write about us unless you stay in line you do the wrong thing you don't get to talk to

03:30:08.480 to the minister. And that's the quid pro quo. And that model is not only fading because it's not

03:30:15.600 interesting because it leads to boring media that doesn't question all the narratives that people

03:30:19.640 actually want to see questioned. It's also failing because it's unethical. It's wrong. It doesn't

03:30:24.760 work. It doesn't respond to where people want to go. And we know this happens. Like we have so many

03:30:29.240 examples of this, but one that always kind of stands out. So right after the trucker convoy,

03:30:34.420 suddenly the entire narrative switched to everyone had to support Ukraine in this war

03:30:39.220 with Russia. And regardless of views on that, Chrysia Freeland came out and she is a Ukrainian

03:30:45.420 nationalist, like incredibly pro-Ukraine. And someone sent me a picture of her carrying a scarf

03:30:52.100 that was basically considered to specifically like people in the Polish community to be like

03:30:58.840 a Nazi scarf. It was like a scarf from the party that had collaborated with the Nazis back in World 0.92

03:31:04.180 War Two. So anyway, we were reporting on it. And basically, the entire legacy media, instead of

03:31:10.700 reporting on what we had exposed, sort of reporting like attacking us. And it was like, it was it was

03:31:16.440 so coordinated. And it was so strange, right? The one outlet that didn't do that was, I believe it

03:31:23.640 was iPolitics. And it was actually the article that was written was by Rachel Emanuel back when

03:31:29.680 she still worked in the legacy media and she kind of painted a much fairer picture and so then

03:31:35.180 anyway what happened was that her editor made her take down the piece and changed it and the reason

03:31:40.940 was because christia freeland's office had called and basically threatened them and yelled at them 0.96

03:31:46.300 and said how dare you publish this you better take it down uh you know where your bread is buttered

03:31:51.660 more or less and so they changed it uh rachel emmanuel quit out of uh like principle like 1.00

03:31:57.760 principle exactly because it was like how can you just kate like the government had a narrative

03:32:02.640 you can't go against it end of story and she kind of like saw the inside of like you know how the

03:32:07.920 sausages made it and turned her against um legacy media but that's that's kind of like a regular

03:32:12.800 occurrence it's like you will repeat the narrative or there will be consequences and ottawa is a

03:32:18.960 pretty small town and you know if you lose access you kind of lose your bloodline right like if

03:32:24.400 you're a journalist you need access you need to kind of keep people happy appease them and they

03:32:28.400 use the liberals use that they've weaponized it they've kind of professionalized weaponization

03:32:33.280 through the funding and through all these other measures and so as much as some of these

03:32:36.800 reporters may pretend to be independent maybe at one point they were um you know over time

03:32:42.560 over the last seven eight years of the trudeau government playing this game you know it's so

03:32:47.760 clear they have them under the thumb okay uh we have this clip uh that kian and sheila were

03:32:52.400 referencing earlier so this is david menzies from the rebel and he is outside the leaders debate

03:32:59.600 and you can see caught on tape terry gillian who is like they like they said the lead media

03:33:06.400 advance person for prime minister just uh mark carney had previously been that role for

03:33:11.680 or Justin Trudeau, lashes out and gets violent.

03:33:16.100 So let's play that clip.

03:33:21.360 Do we have the clip?

03:33:24.800 The walkway, and I think we have the tape for you right now

03:33:27.280 because the Liberal bus was on René-Lévesque Boulevard,

03:33:30.460 which is just the street behind the camera here.

03:33:33.580 And so as they were going out, they were being followed by some of those,

03:33:36.820 as I mentioned, I called them earlier,

03:33:38.900 some of those so-called journalists from rebel news and as they were walking out towards security

03:33:44.900 they were being hounded by them being filmed by them and these are just journalists who are trying

03:33:49.300 to get back to the hotel tonight as there are no more scrums and at that moment you'd seen

03:33:55.220 this clash between um one of the members of rebel news and it seems like somebody

03:34:02.180 from the liberal party uh it continued to spill out

03:34:08.180 okay so i'm told that was one of the clips i think we might be able to get one that shows a

03:34:12.260 better angle that the rubble themselves uh put up it's kind of kind of hard to see what was going

03:34:18.340 on there i believe that was david menzies in the white hat um but that's his signature yeah and i

03:34:26.100 I mean, things seem to have gotten really, really tense.

03:34:32.000 I don't know how else to describe that.

03:34:34.020 We're just trying to sort out

03:34:34.940 whether we have this other clip here.

03:34:39.220 And I don't know, what did you think of that, David?

03:34:43.860 Well, you know, I think in like, on principle,

03:34:47.120 I don't like it too much when journalists

03:34:49.400 make themselves the center of the story.

03:34:51.680 You know, I think, and I think some of this

03:34:54.700 sort of a tempest in a teapot. But what I think it's evidence of is regime media is starting to

03:35:01.580 lose its hold. And all of the anger and fury underlying some of the actions that are taking

03:35:07.980 place multiple different ways is based on this. I think the desire to go after the debate

03:35:15.080 commissioner and others is because they sense they're losing control. They deserve to. One of

03:35:22.080 the effects if you look back at one of the points you're referencing with christia freeland you know

03:35:27.900 i wrote an article that the national post agreed to post once i provided in triplicate all of the

03:35:33.280 source material for it which was christia freeland our soft on terror deputy prime minister and i

03:35:38.680 pointed out that she was at the heart of the decision to pay off omer cotter the um the

03:35:43.520 terrorist who had who had um you know murdered a uh u.s army medic and uh grievously injured

03:35:50.180 another one um whose life was saved by them and then this um they decided to go in an extra

03:35:56.300 judicial process to pay this guy because she was at the heart of that but that wasn't reported

03:36:00.680 by people and i was stunned by that and then um she was also she'd made the decision to use fin

03:36:06.880 track terror tracking legislation to shut down the the businesses and freeze the bank accounts

03:36:13.080 of canadian citizens total violation of civil rights found to be so by the courts of course

03:36:17.940 afterwards and the thing that had had prompted me to finally write it because i'm not a journalist

03:36:23.560 of course you know i'm somebody but i you know i do a lot overseas i've got some good friends

03:36:29.120 and security business and i was stunned that we had still allowed the iranian revolutionary guard

03:36:33.720 corps to operate in canada i could not believe that was still happening and and it was actually

03:36:39.800 david menzies we just saw in that clip with his white hat was pushed up against a wall and then

03:36:45.580 arrested uh when he was he had the temerity to ask christian freeland and that was the final straw

03:36:50.920 for me so for me that was strike three so i finally put you know i sat down i typed it out

03:36:56.320 i found all the reference points found the legal documentation found the court cases and the the

03:37:01.840 national post said this is this is a big deal what you're saying here you've got to justify

03:37:05.680 to justify it they were great about it they printed it and she lost her mind her office lost her mind

03:37:11.480 but she was frozen in place. She was not allowed to leave. She didn't attend question period for

03:37:17.620 two weeks after that. They were scared senseless that this Omar Khadr case was going to be asked

03:37:22.900 about. I'd done the work. I'd phoned lawyers that were involved at the time in the Conservative

03:37:26.260 Party previously. And here's the thing that I found so interesting. So I am not a journalist.

03:37:31.580 I'm a guy that had a laptop. And I was furious after the IRGC thing. I'm like, this is unconscionable.

03:37:37.300 This is the world's worst terrorist supporters. I knew they were sponsoring Hamas, Hezbollah, the Houthis, because I travel a lot internationally and engaged on some of those issues.

03:37:46.600 the fact that Canada is a G7 was permitting this to happen and the same person permitting that to

03:37:52.040 happen and refusing to tell Canadians why she was permitting it to happen. And I knew from some of

03:37:58.680 my American security buddies that Canada was the worst on enforcing any rules against criminal

03:38:03.760 and terror syndicates and their money laundering operations, including direct IRGC operations in

03:38:08.460 Toronto that were allowed to go on. Right. So I was like, I'd had it. So I was calling that out.

03:38:14.080 and and and it just occurred to me where is our media on this stuff this woman is our deputy 0.99

03:38:21.900 prime minister she's effectively financially illiterate right she did not know the difference 1.00

03:38:26.720 between net and gross debt she kept repeating the wrong facts about g7 and our net debt to gdp which

03:38:31.920 is a senseless fact it makes right no difference to our actual and it never included subsovereign

03:38:36.400 debt too that always bothered me no never subsovereign it included a discount for all of

03:38:40.860 our pensions which is extraordinarily large part of you know the whole thing was just fraudulent

03:38:46.000 from the get-go was a talking point she was probably given that she could use she's somebody

03:38:49.980 that studied slavonic studies which i think eight people do and and sort of made her name in that

03:38:55.240 stuff which is fine connected to her ukrainian heritage which is fine and actually her first

03:39:01.220 books that she wrote i really liked elements of that and her discussion of the sort of post-soviet

03:39:05.660 at Russia. But here's somebody who was getting away with something that was absolutely unconscionable,

03:39:11.360 soft fascism, live. The world was watching Canada turn into a place they couldn't believe

03:39:17.800 with the freezing of people's citizens' bank accounts. It should never have happened.

03:39:22.300 It's still happening. It happened to Megan Murphy this week. She said that the government

03:39:26.400 said to freeze her bank account, Vancity, and it was the day she got named as a candidate.

03:39:32.540 Sorry to interrupt you. You know, it's interesting that you said that she got debt and gross mixed up. Today in the debate, I just remembered that Mark Carney was talking about the keystone. I think he meant to say Northern Gateway, but he repeated it twice that the Canadians own keystone, which that's not.

03:39:50.700 I think it's on his mind. We will hopefully soon. I'm glad he's thinking that. You know, if you adopt enough conservative policies, you probably start to mix up which ones are ours and which ones are theirs.

03:40:00.340 you know yeah maybe okay i think he's probably gonna back keystone soon i i want to go back to

03:40:05.380 this clip because we do have this other angle um of this confrontation with david menzies outside

03:40:10.900 the liberal uh outside the leadership debate with this liberal staffer so if we can play that now

03:40:16.100 please

03:40:46.100 whoa that was um much more intense than i thought things things are getting real there um very

03:40:56.420 angry terry galon you can see that he smacked the it looked like uh that there was a selfie stick

03:41:03.940 that uh david menzies was holding and you could see him whip it out of his hand and then menzies

03:41:09.740 confronts him and he does it again and he smacks someone else's phone out of the hand you know i'll

03:41:15.100 say this again. I've said this on my show a few times, David. This is not what a winning campaign

03:41:20.720 looks and acts like, right? Like you would think that the liberals with a pretty comfortable lead

03:41:26.760 in many of the polls, that they would be at ease, that Mark Carney would be confident on the debate

03:41:31.160 stage, that the staffers around him would be, you know, happy and positive. Instead, what we see,

03:41:37.880 we see button gate, we see them dropping off fake buttons at the conservative campaign,

03:41:41.420 trying to frame them to look Trumpian and pro-Trump.

03:41:45.920 You know, Mark Carney wasn't projecting any kind of confidence whatsoever

03:41:49.180 on the stage last night or tonight.

03:41:51.180 And there you have their lead media person getting violent.

03:41:57.400 I would describe that as violent with the press.

03:42:01.400 I don't think things are going well for Team Liberal.

03:42:04.720 I think the wheels have come off that campaign.

03:42:07.220 I think that the lead that they enjoyed is running out.

03:42:10.780 they know that they have a lousy candidate and they're just hoping and praying that they can run

03:42:15.280 out the clock and that Canadians won't notice. I think that the reason that they had these scrums

03:42:20.540 cancelled is because they couldn't risk another night that went as badly for Mark Carney as last

03:42:26.340 night. They couldn't risk more of the spiral clips going all over social media showing Mark Carney

03:42:32.220 totally incapable of answering difficult questions or answering questions that he wasn't previously

03:42:37.440 prepared for, and that, you know, they're panicking. Yeah, well, I think the interesting

03:42:43.660 thing in tonight's debate, one of the things that I took a note on was, I thought that the narrative

03:42:49.200 was going to be Pierre is like Trump, right? That that's what they're going to keep trying to do.

03:42:54.420 Pierre's like Trump, Pierre's like Trump, didn't really play out. What was interesting was,

03:42:59.080 the narrative became, Mark is like Justin, Mark Carney is like Justin Trudeau, which is different,

03:43:05.340 You know, and and I think that their campaign is sort of surprised at the fact and wasn't prepared for the fact that this was going to be the way they take them on, because I think they've been so scripted around.

03:43:18.800 I've dealt, you know, I've dealt with a crisis again.

03:43:22.160 Mr. Blanchett came out and just said, what have you actually done?

03:43:25.380 What have you actually negotiated?

03:43:27.100 What crisis have you actually personally dealt with?

03:43:29.280 I don't see any evidence of this.

03:43:30.780 right and in that sort of inimitable kind of french canadian way where i wasn't sure where

03:43:35.700 he was going the first half of his statement that he would finish quite strongly with you know i

03:43:40.200 don't i don't see any of this being true and actually was quite kind of telling you know and

03:43:45.320 and the point that i think pier drove home is you are no different than justin trudeau and i don't

03:43:51.200 see the difference and i could tell it just seemed like mark carney wasn't prepared to you know he

03:43:57.000 could have said i am a different person now here's what's interesting you know who set that narrative

03:44:01.260 up yeah kian the night before did a great job with a very simple question saying do you you know

03:44:09.180 how do you rate just a trio as a publisher and why if it's different is everybody else the same

03:44:13.980 and i i think that you know uh juneau news can take a little bit of credit for one of the key

03:44:20.420 talking points actually coming out in the debate there's a real symmetry in in that engagement of

03:44:26.640 that first question that kian asked and the um and the conversation that took place between mark

03:44:32.480 carney and pierre polyeth and i think that it's a very important point which is this is the same

03:44:38.520 cast of characters you've changed the front man the lead singer is slightly different but the the

03:44:44.280 tone is the same the style is the same the backup band is identical and they're going to bring you

03:44:48.240 another four years it's going to be the fourth fourth quarter of uh of these guys i think that

03:44:54.080 what his handlers have to be very worried about after the French debate is they're going to lose

03:44:57.860 enough seats in Quebec now, where at best they're hoping for a very thin minority government.

03:45:03.480 And there's a chance that the Conservatives can take the mantle back on this race. And after

03:45:11.040 tonight's debate, it wouldn't surprise me if you started to see Pierre by two or three.

03:45:14.980 The problem the Conservatives still have, though, is the efficiency of the distribution of these

03:45:18.660 votes. It's always been our problem. And that's going to remain a big problem. And it's going to

03:45:23.660 come down to what's going to happen in Ontario in that 905. And it's also going to come down to

03:45:27.840 how many, how strong will the base turnout be? And, and the response to the rallies tells me

03:45:35.220 it could be strong. And how strong will the motivation of the Liberal Party voter be? In

03:45:42.280 other words, when you see these polls, polls measure preferences, but preferences don't mean

03:45:47.660 that you're going to go vote in the rain, right? And, and that's a really important distinction.

03:45:52.900 So the base has to be fired up. And I think tonight, which we talked about beforehand, Pierre did a good job of saying things in a manner that got his base thinking, that's me he's talking about. I'm tired of the last failed, you know, the last decade of the past 10 years. I'm going to go actually make the time to vote.

03:46:09.260 And I think so Mark could have Mark Carney, Prime Minister Carney, could have a lot of tacit support reflected in polls, which are just show me which of these two people you prefer more, which is a preference.

03:46:22.860 People can do that in a second and be done with it.

03:46:25.960 But actually going out and voting is a different thing.

03:46:27.940 And your base has to be really fired up to do it.

03:46:30.540 And I think, you know, if the boomers start to fade on Mark Carney, he's losing everything.

03:46:36.200 um and uh and that's what i hope happens but we'll see well it's interesting that he just

03:46:42.800 seemed like unprepared and you made such a good point that the theme that you would think that

03:46:48.000 the liberals would really try to hammer home was this idea that pierre polyev is just like trump

03:46:53.340 that's what they have been pushing on social media tonight would be all about and it didn't

03:46:57.120 really come out at all and to me i never saw it right there's there's really nothing there there

03:47:01.500 like he just just on paper right donald trump is older he's a businessman he's from new york he's

03:47:08.620 very brash uh you know he's kind of infamously like a womanizer and is on his third wife um

03:47:15.140 and just his style right like it comparing that to uh peer polyev who is younger he's i think he's a

03:47:23.420 gen xer um you know he he's it's just like there's just nothing there and so to to make the point

03:47:31.340 that they didn't talk about that at all.

03:47:33.780 They didn't try to make the connection

03:47:34.980 because to any fair Canadian watching,

03:47:37.840 it would just sort of fall patently false, in my opinion.

03:47:40.300 It works when you don't really know Pierre Polyev

03:47:42.340 and you haven't heard him and you haven't seen him

03:47:43.920 when you're just like kind of imagining generic conservative.

03:47:47.940 But once you get to know him and once you see him on stage,

03:47:50.300 I just don't think that dare a false.

03:47:51.840 And it makes me think of, you know,

03:47:54.440 they were each allowed one-on-one session, right?

03:47:57.320 So the debate, I really like this part

03:47:59.240 where each individual debater got to choose one question to ask of another person.

03:48:04.100 And everybody obviously went against Mark Carney.

03:48:07.280 And so Mark Carney was getting it all away.

03:48:08.820 And then Blast went to Mark Carney and he said, okay, who are you going to ask a question of?

03:48:12.640 And it was like, you know, you had had four sessions to think about it in your head, right?

03:48:17.800 While everyone else is coming up with their question, you know, you're the last one.

03:48:20.880 So you get an advantage, actually, because you get to see what everyone else has done.

03:48:23.700 So I think by the time it came to him, he would have had come up with something, but he hadn't, right?

03:48:28.280 he just said okay i'll ask a question of myself and then he started talking and then he said okay

03:48:33.080 no no actually i'll ask this question of pierre and what did he do he went to like his debunked

03:48:38.920 conspiracy theory this ridiculous idea that pierre polyev hadn't gotten security clearance which he

03:48:44.600 had to have known that pierre actually has a very good explanation for this and yes well care has

03:48:50.120 come out in support of the former ndp leader and leader of the opposition said of course pierre

03:48:54.200 is right and he shouldn't have a security briefing because then it would preclude him

03:48:57.880 from commenting on the matter. And his job as the loyal minister or the loyal opposition leader

03:49:04.120 is to comment on these things. So no, he shouldn't get it. And so what did Mark Cruddy do? He gave

03:49:09.240 Pierre Polly of the prime time moment to debunk his own stupid claim. So I just, 1.00

03:49:15.360 he was just like, just, he's just really bad at this, like from a strategic perspective.

03:49:19.480 I actually think that something unbelievable happened. I think their overreach on the

03:49:27.660 Pierre is Trump that happened with these buttons that they printed I think this came right from the

03:49:33.900 top and the reason I think it came right from the top is you don't just have buttons ready to go

03:49:38.280 you know 16 hours after your leader has just announced that he thinks that some Canadian

03:49:44.720 parties are repeating American slogans and then suddenly straight out of the liberal war room

03:49:49.640 American slogan buttons are left all over the Canada strong and free network and they have

03:49:55.180 op-eds ready to go and all of it gets busted by credit where credit is due uh you know a cbc

03:50:02.020 reporter who's overhearing in a bar and and just says this this uh you know this is a dirty

03:50:08.360 tricksters this is wrong this is unethical and this is obviously an attempt to entrap

03:50:13.120 i think what that meant was if mark carney tried to go there and say you know your problem is you're

03:50:20.420 like trump he would have been like is that the button you printed mark you know is that what

03:50:24.720 you guys are all about like i think they actually foiled themselves by taking it too far trying so

03:50:31.120 hard to make it about this planted evidence and and i think that really turned people off right

03:50:37.000 anybody that sort of follows politics is kind of turned off this by the way is the kind of stuff

03:50:40.920 that makes people stay home and just kind of hold their nose and be like yeah i like mark carney

03:50:44.860 better than i like pierre polyev because pierre's young and mark's older looks like a savior has an

03:50:48.640 boomer but you know what this weird button printing stuff juvenile delinquents he didn't

03:50:54.000 even fire the guy you didn't fire the Chinese guy with the bounty on a dissident you got another 0.77

03:50:59.020 Chinese guy that went to a PLA military parade which is like what is wrong with this guy like 0.99

03:51:03.440 I'm out and I think that those missteps in a campaign actually meant they couldn't play the

03:51:10.340 card that they'd been setting up to play which was going to be all about and I think this debate

03:51:14.140 probably would have been all about you're just like Trump here's how this is what you said this

03:51:18.740 is what Trump said this is the way you acted this is what Trump did right I think they were ready

03:51:23.080 for that narrative and i think mark carney went in with with a glass half full in this debate

03:51:27.980 because his own team trying to make this big tie-in between trump and pierre didn't work

03:51:34.420 i also thought that there was this tone deafness to his closing statement which was we're in a

03:51:40.820 crisis this is the worst crisis of our lives this is trump like he returned to this trump theme but

03:51:46.820 it suddenly sounded a little tone deaf it sounded like that wasn't where everything had gone all the

03:51:52.220 conversations around affordability the energy crisis why won't you get rid of c69 like none 1.00

03:51:58.300 of it's really adding up here it was so clear that all of our problems are within right it's

03:52:03.020 like yeah everything we just spoke about for two hours points to dysfunction and a complete lack

03:52:08.620 of management from the liberals and then yeah and so none of the usual suspects were able to play

03:52:16.060 this thing that for three long months elbows up all this weird stuff did you notice that ad came

03:52:22.800 up from uh you know 22 minutes that they've kind of mocked the elbows up i saw that yeah i mean

03:52:29.340 there's a shift yeah in this narrative and i think part of it was this button thing i think

03:52:34.900 everybody now feels like okay i don't have to pretend to hate america all day long anymore

03:52:39.460 i can actually poke a little bit of fun at the idea that you know these two geriatrics are you

03:52:44.860 plan a trip to florida we can we can we can go back well we need a canadian dollar that doesn't

03:52:49.980 fall apart that's true i want to read i've got some super chats here i want to read so i forgot

03:52:55.900 to read these earlier uh thank you so much folks it's so wonderful that you uh chip in so thumper

03:53:00.460 dude just gave us 28 appreciate that what else uh let me just try to see if i can catch up on them

03:53:06.540 lp says boomer for pp i guess a lot of a lot of people in the chat were calling themselves super

03:53:12.380 boomer after your comment there david so that might that might catch on uh let me go back to

03:53:17.660 the earlier ones here we had stefano same as last night 139 thank you so much stefano you are

03:53:24.060 wonderful uh he writes appreciate what you're doing to revise real journalism go pierre climate

03:53:29.900 emergency is a joke let's just look at the record acid rain ozone layer coastal areas flooding

03:53:35.180 doom which never happened saw a hoax to abuse our liberties tend to agree we got another

03:53:39.260 $139 super chat from Emma V. She says, thank you for your coverage. Thank you, Emma. That was so

03:53:45.780 generous. We really appreciate it. And Astrophane, $25 without a comment. So someone sent me this,

03:53:53.240 David, and I just had to play it on air and I had to show it to the audience and to you to get your

03:53:58.600 reaction. Andrew Coyne, our foe over at the CBC, he was on the ad issue panel. I guess they hosted

03:54:06.280 it um rosemary with her with her walls of security and her um he predicts the end the death of the

03:54:15.560 independent media um let's let's play the clip and then we can react to it do we have that clip

03:54:28.440 i think i think they're just looking for it um let's uh let's go to that clip guys if we have it

03:54:40.440 if not i could just do my best to try to describe it let me just see if you have it here

03:54:46.680 maybe not

03:54:51.480 well it's great look expect that theme from andrew and a bunch of others

03:54:57.680 um yeah i don't think they know our audience very well you know i think that this kind of thing

03:55:03.860 really just fires up the base and makes people you know more interested in what we're doing i

03:55:09.600 think that we got great questions last night it felt like a big victory for independent media and

03:55:14.580 free speech in canada tonight they tried to shut us down and i think that that's okay we'll persevere

03:55:20.560 our clips will still you know going viral from yesterday you know we're still covering the debate

03:55:26.500 and the substance of it here on the live stream and to us it's not it's not all about us right

03:55:31.880 like we go there to do a job we want to report we want to ask the questions if they don't let us

03:55:36.020 okay we'll move on we'll go on to the next day of our coverage we have a full team of reporters who

03:55:39.900 are writing news stories day in and day out you know i'm doing a live show every day kian bexy's

03:55:44.920 making videos as well traveling around the country like we're going to continue to do our thing

03:55:49.000 our audience appreciates it they're not going to just suddenly you know leave us because

03:55:54.000 Andrew Coyne predicted it on the CBS. Not only that, not only that, you know, Stefano just gave

03:55:58.840 139 bucks to watch Kian ask a question about the difference between Mark Carney and Justin Trudeau.

03:56:05.460 And that comes up in a debate the day after. You know, that's why you have independent journalism,

03:56:10.120 because it raises the questions people have on their minds in a way that is compelling enough

03:56:14.340 that the next prime minister of Canada repeats it on a debate stage and makes it a key point of,

03:56:19.340 you know what he thinks is critical to defending the canadian interest um it's a phenomenal night

03:56:26.880 you know the fact that they they canceled it is actually an amazing signal the fact that guys

03:56:31.320 like andrew coin are trying to declare the end of uh independent media you know he's sort of stuck

03:56:37.240 with he's sort of a guy still selling fax machines it's going to be tough to admit that you know it's

03:56:42.320 this newfangled thing called the internet it's going to result in democratization of uh of ideas

03:56:47.360 and uh i have huge respect for the journalistic enterprise and actually for andrew uh i just

03:56:54.700 disagree with him on a lot of his opinions but i think he's a hard-working and smart guy

03:56:58.320 but i think that this dogma around independent media is actually just defensive posture i don't

03:57:04.180 think it has anything to do with the actual content that's going out i love the um the fact

03:57:11.020 that there's an insurgency of smart bright committed people that are asking hard questions

03:57:16.700 is great for the country well that's wonderful i'm gonna sorry folks we don't have this clip so

03:57:22.300 i'm just gonna retweet it if you really want to see it head to my ex profile candace malcolm and

03:57:26.460 you will see i just retweeted at stephen taylor originally posted all right david well i've kept

03:57:30.540 you up long enough i really appreciate your time thank you everyone in the audience for joining us

03:57:34.700 this was fun and i do regret the fact that we didn't get our questions it's unfortunate that

03:57:39.100 we didn't get to question the leaders again but that's okay we'll soldier on we're happy warriors

03:57:43.420 and we will find another way to get our questions in front of our political leaders thank you so

03:57:48.780 much thanks to all the super chats thanks to all the subscribers everyone who pays and supports

03:57:53.180 independent media really appreciate it consider heading on over to junonews.com and buying a

03:57:57.980 subscription uh if you support what we do if you want to disprove andrew coin's prediction

03:58:02.940 um that this will be the death of the independent media uh let's prove him wrong uh let's continue

03:58:07.900 to grow and build the future and provide an alternative for the tens of millions of canadians

03:58:12.860 who don't see themselves reflected in the CBC.

03:58:15.720 All right, folks, thanks so much.

03:58:17.140 Have a wonderful evening.

03:58:18.140 We'll be back again tomorrow.

03:58:19.520 I'll be doing my regular show in the morning

03:58:21.920 and it's Good Friday and Easter weekend.

03:58:24.380 So we'll go into that holiday as well.

03:58:28.120 Although it's sort of a somber day, Good Friday.

03:58:30.720 As I try to explain to my kids,

03:58:32.460 it's not necessarily a good day.

03:58:33.700 Good Friday isn't good, but it is good in the end

03:58:36.740 because we know what happens.

03:58:37.680 But anyways, thank you so much, folks.

03:58:39.820 We'll be back again tomorrow.

03:58:40.860 I'm Candice Malcolm.

03:58:41.360 Thank you and God bless.

Juno News - April 18, 2025

EMERGENCY LIVESTREAM： debates commission CANCELS debate scrum to stop Juno News

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