Join Candice and her co-host, David Knightley Legen, as they break down the key takeaways from the third and final English debate between Conservative leadership candidate Pierre Polyev and Liberal candidate Mark Carney.
00:03:43.240First thing is they've got to appeal to their base.
00:03:45.800The base has to be fired up about you as the candidate
00:03:48.580and what you represent and what you speak to.
00:03:51.200And so for all the free advice that Pierre gets
00:03:53.040of sounding and acting more like a liberal
00:03:55.040than a conservative from the mainstream press,
00:03:57.260I think that he has to be decisive about speaking to issues from the perspective of a conservative.
00:04:04.180And this lost decade of the past 10 years is opening that opportunity up for him to really address these issues.
00:04:10.460So is the fact that his opponent, Mark Carney, has borrowed a lot of the key conservative platform issues as a way of running his own campaign.
00:04:19.720I think the second thing that he's got to do is find a way to reach boomers, which is a natural conservative constituency.
00:04:26.420And I think there's ways into that, particularly around affordability and around security, personal security, crime, drugs, et cetera, things that that people that are 60 and above care about in terms of the life of the cities and the safety they feel when they're in their cities.
00:04:40.480I think the third thing he's got to do is find a way to really differentiate himself from the fact that Blanchett and Carney and Singh all have the same lines, particularly on energy and and energy security issues with respect to the United States.
00:05:10.480Okay, it looks like Candice is off there for a second. So maybe I'll just talk a little bit more about a couple other things that I think could happen during this debate. There's five categories that Steve Pakin, who's the moderator, will be managing for. The first is affordability and cost of living. The second is tariffs and threats to Canada. Obviously, that's going to be the Trump factor. And that's going to be where I believe both Mark Carney and Jagmeet Singh are going to try and place the emphasis.
00:05:38.200The third is energy and climate, which I think is where Pierre has an opportunity to really differentiate himself from the consensus position.
00:05:46.940The fourth is how you lead in a crisis. And the fifth is public safety and security.
00:05:52.700And I think with those five areas, there's a couple that are going to provide openings for Pierre.
00:05:58.160And there's a few that, you know, he's going to have to elide past, you know, a Carney Singh consensus position from the last 10 years.
00:06:06.980Well, that's really interesting and good advice for Pierre Polyam.
00:06:10.800You mentioned that Mark Carney often flip-flops and changes his position within a matter of days.
00:06:16.580Yves-Francois Blanchet pointed this out at the debate.
00:06:19.540And I want to play this clip because I almost have a feeling that Yves-Francois Blanchet must watch the Candace Malcolm show on us at Juno News.
00:06:25.980Because he pointed out the exact same contradiction that I focused an entire show on.
00:06:29.660And then he said, I saw the clip again yesterday.
00:06:32.260And I had played it on my show yesterday.
00:06:33.580So I do think that the bloc may be a fan, a secret fan of us here at Juno News.
00:06:39.380But anyway, let's play that clip of the bloc leader last night.
00:07:30.800but there also has to be approval for example here in quebec there has to be approval from
00:07:36.160the provinces and the support of indigenous people this is canada that's how canada works
00:07:41.920so there's so much to unpack from that clip but um it's interesting that first of all that
00:07:48.960carney did say that right we have him on tape he was in colonna and he was talking about building
00:07:52.880pipelines and saying that he would use the emergencies act if necessary which to conservative
00:07:57.520ears when we hear a liberal say emergencies act it just brings back like the trucker convoy mayhem
00:08:03.680and lawlessness that even a court found to be illegal but when it comes to pipelines it's like
00:08:08.880okay well i guess that's good because we want pipelines and then of course he he flipped it
00:08:13.200around he told the national post a couple days ago that he won't prioritize pipelines and that
00:08:17.680was why we played the clip again but carney's answer there was so unsatisfactory he said that
00:08:22.560was just for federal approval but we obviously need quebec buy-in and first nations buy-in
00:08:27.440so basically back to where we've been for the last 10 years or so uh what do you think about
00:08:31.920carneon pipelines look i think the liberal party has a fundamental problem because other nations
00:08:38.160don't need to invoke emergencies act or the suspension of civil rights or the suspension
00:08:43.360of the normal due process of a federalist legal structure to get something built or to find a
00:08:49.920pretext for arresting and incarcerating your political opponents and treating them like
00:08:54.680terrorists while you let actual terror and criminal syndicates get a free pass, right?
00:08:59.300I find Carney wrote one of the most disgusting op-eds that I've read as a Canadian. It infuriated
00:09:05.720me. His minion, Christian Freeland, of course, followed through on Carney's very specific
00:09:11.640choice of the word sedition when he referred to truckers. That is the wrong legal term to use
00:09:19.120for people that were amongst the highest vaccinated cohort in the country that had delivered packages
00:09:24.140to everybody for two years, you know, seamlessly, and then were treated like a criminal element
00:09:29.600when they finally had it with an unscientific mandate. And, you know, it was Mark Carney
00:09:33.940that wrote sort of the dog whistle marching orders on sedition and on the idea that this
00:09:39.400was foreign funded and on the idea that terror legislation should be used to chase down
00:09:43.640foreign interference funding with a bunch of truckers trying to protest
00:09:47.580laws that were soon dropped within weeks afterwards canada joined the rest of the
00:09:52.040civilized world and dropped those dumb laws so i i find his instinct to sort of say we can just use
00:09:59.220you know extremist uh rules you know there are there are conditions under which you do need to
00:10:05.080have something like a suspension of normal civil rights and due process that's not in a normal
00:10:10.560society how you build a pipeline you build a pipeline by creating the conditions under which
00:10:14.460there's an ability to evaluate, build, invest in and create international market access in one of
00:10:22.020the world's most wealthy resource rich nations and be able to ship that energy to Europe and
00:10:27.860Asia, not just the United States. So I think the whole context of Carney's comments bear
00:10:33.300a lot of investigation. I think it's the reason why the Liberal Party has presided over a failed
00:10:39.640decade and i think that the fact that he has to flip-flop is because the actual liberal party
00:10:45.060ideology is deeply unpopular with canadians when they understand it and as a result of that the
00:10:50.880poll numbers tell him that and that's why the key planks of his platform so far that have been popular
00:10:55.760have been the liberal have been the liberal adoption of conservative ideas so he he will
00:11:00.760keep flip-flopping because what he thinks in his ideology is deeply distasteful to canadians uh
00:11:07.800it's understood and it's been a terrible disaster everywhere it's been tried in the uk and canada
00:11:12.840and elsewhere it's led to poverty and it's led to a unilateral disarmament of energy security
00:11:19.640in the democratic west by shareholder led companies while despotic states are able to arm up and
00:11:25.880actually print hundreds of billions of dollars off the energy that that nations like canada
00:11:30.520won't ship to places like germany and western europe that really desperately need it and mark
00:11:36.040Art Carney has presided over this unilateral disarmament in the name of net zero, which is this green alarmist philosophy that he has embodied more than just about any other public figure.
00:11:46.900His track record of failure on net zero was punctuated this last two years by every major bank in the world running away from his his punitive G fans ideology that he he created out of the Glasgow accord.
00:12:04.320And, you know, that failure is sort of what's preceded him parachuting in as the interim prime minister and now trying to run the stuff.
00:12:14.400One, this this use of sort of extrajudicial processes to try and get something as simple as pipelines built in what should be an open free market society.
00:12:23.920Two, he's trying to hang on to failed policies like C-69 without letting go of the fact that those have been part of the decade long problem that he advised and advised very publicly for five years.
00:12:36.260And three, because of that, he's going to keep flip flopping in English and French in one community where he wants to win votes and another community where he wants to maintain his base.
00:12:46.500And I think he's the one that's under a lot of pressure right now.
00:12:48.900I think energy and climate is going to be a category for Pierre to exploit because, A, it's a category where the Conservatives can provide a much better path to actual global emissions by the shipping of natural gas to displace coal in the rest of the world.
00:13:04.860That is a big story that needs to be told by the Conservatives with a lot more confidence because it does more for the planet than anything the Liberals have ever tried to do.
00:13:12.780Their performance outcomes for the last decade have been terrible on global emissions and on anything related to the natural tradeoffs between energy, the economy and the environment.
00:13:23.940And so I think that's an area Pierre can exploit.
00:13:26.180I think that's an area that will fire up the base.
00:13:28.100And I think that's an area where he can actually win over people that understand that we should never have been put in a position where a vassal economic state to the United States.
00:13:36.400I expect that if he can connect that energy and climate piece to the tariffs and threats to Canada and to affordability and cost of living, there's a thread through this that kind of has lead in a crisis, energy and climate, economic resilience, the ability to bring down the cost of living and household affordability and inflation, and all of that to position Canada to deal with the tariffs in a more productive way.
00:14:03.580Pierre's got a great story to tell on that.
00:14:05.420And I hope that he's able to put that together in a way that continues to wrong foot Mark Carney
00:14:09.180and his desperate attempts early on to latch on through a prorogued parliament to conservative ideas.
00:14:15.760It's so interesting that, I mean, if you look at the polls and you trust the polls,
00:14:21.660we're seeing that the race is really tightening.
00:14:24.200And I think that specifically the issue set has changed.
00:14:26.980For those who are still thinking about Donald Trump and the trade war,
00:14:30.020their preferred candidate seems to be mark carney but for those who are like living in the world and
00:14:35.800looking around us and looking at canada and the cost of living issues the crime issues the just
00:14:40.520like all the things that feel broken in canada you lead towards pier poliev there's an interesting
00:14:46.380story uh posted by juno news yesterday and it was based off of a leger poll and the headline says
00:14:53.280hope drives poliev supporters and fear motivates carney voters according to the poll i just want
00:14:59.820to read from this because I just found this super interesting. So it says a new Leger poll conducted
00:15:03.920between April 11th and 14th with a sample size of a thousand showed that six in 10 liberal voters
00:15:09.260supported the party because they're motivated primarily by fear of Trump and believe Mark
00:15:13.740Carney is the leader, best suited to protect Canada. And then it says conversely, 76% of
00:15:18.680conservative voters would allocate the vote towards the party because they have hope for a better
00:15:23.500future. And that's just such an interesting juxtaposition because I almost think that the
00:15:28.040narrative that the media likes to paint is that the conservatives use hate and fear to divide
00:15:33.200people and that's like sort of the motivating thing for the party and that liberals are the
00:15:38.360party of like optimism and hope and change and in this election it's literally the opposite that if
00:15:43.080you're if you're motivated by fear you're voting liberal and if you're motivated by hope you're
00:15:48.540voting conservative what do you think of that look yeah i think i think you know i think it's
00:15:57.860two sides of the same coin, actually, in the sense that when, if you ask in Canada, you've
00:16:03.160referred to your kids. And I think, you know, when I, when I think about Canada, I think about my son,
00:16:07.740Aiden. I think you hope the best for your kids and you hope the best for your country and you
00:16:13.920hope the best for, you know, your community. And when you see it degraded by drugs or violence
00:16:24.500or reckless approaches to law enforcement
00:16:53.340of what is one of the greatest societies ever created in human history and one of the luckiest
00:16:58.460societies in that we have the most resource-rich, vast country right next to the world's most
00:17:05.340vibrant and active and consumptive economy. It's like the perfect world, right? Canada literally
00:17:11.500lives in the most perfect set of conditions imaginable for any modern democracy. It's
00:17:16.920extraordinary and to see all of those advantages fumbled away by recklessness partisanship small
00:17:23.960minded ideologies you know fraudulent fake sad narrow-minded approaches to green alarmism because
00:17:32.280it feels good and it sounds kind of loosely western european and and it was sort of fashionable at
00:17:37.400davos three years ago you know that kind of stuff feels sad it feels like we're missing something
00:17:42.380And so I think that hope fear divide is is probably one where, you know, and again, I sort of connecting some dots here, having read when you read some of the media accounts, a lot of the elderly actually live in fear.
00:17:58.640And one of the reasons they live in fear is because they're often shut in or they often encounter the world through their television set.
00:18:04.860and if you watch television all day long and there's a lot of data around this then you
00:18:09.320naturally have a predisposition to think the world is a terrible place things are always going wrong
00:18:13.740there's crime everywhere there's a problem around the right and anybody that's saturated with social
00:18:18.360media has develops mental problems anybody that's saturated with tv develops sense of fear and i
00:18:23.840think if you were to take the hope fear matrix and you overlaid it on the population demographic i
00:18:29.660I think what you find is that Carney is doing very well with the elderly that get most of their news through mainstream state funded media like CTV, CBC, Global, etc.
00:18:39.480And are told that Donald Trump is threatening the existence of Canada in some fundamental way.
00:18:45.400They're told that there's all these problems and the liberals present themselves as a solution to a crisis.
00:18:53.640They, you know, emphasized fear and emphasized the state as the only solution that could solve for that fear.
00:19:01.260And for ideologues on the left, because the state always is the solution, crises that come along provide them with a great pretext for invoking the state as the solution, invoking their ideological presumptions as the solution.
00:19:13.940So I think fear is partly manufactured in this case, and I think it's hitting those over the age of 60 particularly hard, and that's the cohort that's backing Mark Carney.
00:19:22.720And so I think it's natural that younger people live for hope, you know, and I think it's natural that parents look at their kids and hope the best for them.
00:19:34.200And I think it's natural that the elderly worry about their own security rightfully and they see what's gone wrong and they want to be told that there's a way forward and there's security.
00:19:45.280And a lot of them depend on the government already for some of that security through pensions and other things.
00:19:49.640And they they would look to somebody that they perceive to be, you know, well regarded with a strong resume, like a Mark Carney, who looks like a safe pair of hands.
00:19:58.400And so I think Pierre's got to do some work to unlock a narrative of hope for those who are older and more worried about what the Donald Trump threat represents and how that that cohort has resulted in a shift from what was a landslide in the making for the conservatives only a few months ago to what's now a knife fight separated by a couple of points.
00:23:47.480But, you know, lifeguards got to look after the pool, right?
00:23:49.500And, you know, the debate commission was set up for this
00:23:52.140and people are now calling for it to be completely scrapped
00:23:54.920because of what we saw last night i i just wonder if you think uh there's a loss of public trust in
00:24:00.440in the function of this organization i think the public will judge us on the debates themselves
00:24:08.920so i mean this is just sort of hilarious like david cochran came across very petty
00:24:12.920and small in that clip um the fact that he said that the rebel got more than the other people
00:24:18.200combined how is that even true the the debate itself was hosted by radio canada right so like
00:24:22.840Like they got the entire debate and this like he really is prodding saying you got to censor the speech that somehow you're not allowed to ask questions about topics that weren't included in the debate.
00:24:32.900I would imagine the scrum is entirely for topics not included in the debate, right?
00:24:38.080Like when the CBC journalist got up there and was just asking the same question of Jagmeet Singh that had literally already been talked about in the debate about the costing of their platform.
00:24:46.020It's like, why are you wasting our time? At least Juneau News and True North and The Rebel were asking interesting questions that Canadians do want to know whether or not the CBC likes it or not.
00:24:57.520It's a loss of ideological control by the state-run broadcaster.
00:25:01.440You know, they're living in a, it's funny watching a guy who lives in a business model from the 1970s sort of dialing into a modern age, right?
00:25:11.480they're frustrated if they don't have control over the narrative they don't have control over
00:25:15.760the questions they can feel it slipping away his frustration is probably more political and
00:25:19.960partisan than it is you know principled in the sense that why would he why would he be bothered
00:25:25.180that independent media had a chance to ask interesting questions i believe what he's
00:25:29.600truly bothered about is the fact those questions touched on sacred issues that have a politically
00:25:34.880correct motif and framing in the public broadcasting world and these people are fearless
00:25:40.840There were fearless questions asked about the topics that everybody in Canada actually talks about around the kitchen table and only in the media world where there's sort of this explicit framing that's not permitting people to perceive that it's OK to say, let's ask some harder questions about this residential school hoax issue that we ran into.
00:26:00.900Or let's ask some harder questions about what's actually happening with the transgenderism issue and what that means for girls in sports and girls in safe places.
00:26:08.840let's ask some questions i can tell you right now i after we talked about the debate and i went i
00:26:14.320joined uh i had dinner with some people at dinner party and you know not everybody has the same
00:26:19.180politics and people were all about those questions that were asked by the independent media all about
00:26:25.940it that's what people wanted to talk about people did not want to talk anymore about donald trump
00:26:31.140or whether he's a good guy bad guy in between right not interested people really want to talk
00:26:35.480about girls and boys in sports and what the limits were on a guy deciding he's a girl and
00:26:40.780that he's therefore allowed to play with the advantages of you know all the biological
00:26:44.900advantages that was the conversation and almost immediately after i got there and said oh i was
00:26:49.140following the debate and having a conversation uh with candace malcolm mangino you know people
00:26:54.280really care about those issues they were glad that question was asked and these are not people
00:26:58.180that are uniform politically these are people that have dot you know guy there's two daughters
00:27:03.420and one son and uh you know they're all athletes and this is a burning question for a lot of people
00:27:09.800who have daughters in sports because it feels deeply unfair to them and they have to deal with
00:27:14.560it and that question got asked now jagmeet singh didn't like that question jagmeet singh is done
00:27:20.660politically by the way i posted a note on this i think i think the way he responded to independent
00:27:25.540media was was uh terrible and it uh it was beneath his office and beneath the status what he should
00:27:32.460you know, as a politician. But CBC is scared to death of what happens next if Pierre Paliyev wins
00:27:38.560because the game is up. The 1970s business model of depending on taxpayers to have to pay to be
00:27:44.800told what the Pravda-style politically correct viewpoints that are permissible from the state
00:27:51.500are anymore. That's over. And I thought that actually the debate commissioner did a good
00:27:58.740job of responding to that by emphasizing free speech yeah i agree kind of ironically but uh
00:28:04.660okay folks we have we had the two minute warning now we've got the one minute warning so we're
00:28:08.740watching the screen we have to look out for pierre polyev i do believe he's going to come much harder
00:28:14.980and much stronger against carney than he did last night watch for the three leaders to sort of team
00:28:20.340up on carney watch for questions about conflicts of interest interestingly when they were talking
00:28:24.740about housing last night carney mentioned a company that brookfield owns a 51 share in
00:28:29.460so i think that the conflict of interest question will come up i think that mark carney's residency
00:28:34.260will come up i think that there's a lot a lot at play here and okay we're going to switch to
00:28:38.900the intro and we'll be back after the debate folks enjoy
00:28:48.500they will debate the major challenges facing our country from tariffs to the cost of living
00:28:53.540public safety energy and leading in a crisis good evening everybody i'm steve pakin your moderator
00:29:00.180for tonight's debate each leader has agreed to the following no notes answer the questions stay on
00:29:07.300theme stay on time how much each leader speaks will be counted on these clocks visible to the
00:29:13.940leaders and to you at home this is the 2025 federal leaders debate
00:29:23.540well welcome leaders good to be with you here tonight in Montreal for what I'm sure will be
00:29:29.140a memorable evening our first theme is tariffs and threats to Canada and we will begin with a
00:29:34.740round of questions you will each have a minute to answer and then we'll go to open debate and
00:29:39.320the first question goes to Mr Carney okay what is the starting point for negotiations Mr Carney
00:29:45.800with the United States if as you have stated our relationship with the U.S. is over as we know it
00:29:53.580Well, first, Steve, may I thank you and also thank fellow leaders for their service to Canada, people at home for taking the time to watch.
00:30:01.860I just want to underscore the premise to your question, because I think the relationship that we've had with the United States relationship over the course of almost the last four decades,
00:30:10.040which has been one of steadying, increasing integration, has fundamentally changed because the president is looking to fundamentally restructure the trading system.
00:30:18.160So the starting point has to be one of strength.
00:30:21.920It has to show that we have control of our own economic destiny, has to have a clear plan here at home to build this economy, to diversify our trading partners with like-minded countries, and also has to have a position of strength in terms of our reaction to the U.S. unjustified tariffs.
00:30:43.200And that's why we have put in place counter tariffs that have maximum impact in the United States and minimum impact here at home.
00:30:51.420Mr. Poliev, would you do anything differently?
00:30:54.640Well, first of all, thank you, Steve, and thank you to our fellow contestants here today.
00:32:06.620We've seen what, for a lot of people, feels like a betrayal when we look at the United States.
00:32:11.220I grew up in a border town, I grew up in Windsor, and we saw how connected we were as a city and as a community.
00:32:17.740People lived on one side of the border, worked on the other.
00:32:20.480People traveled back and forth all the time.
00:32:22.940We're in the automotive capital of Canada,
00:32:24.920and we knew how important it was to be able to build cars in Canada,
00:32:28.860but we saw that those cars went back and forth across the border.
00:32:32.180Seeing what Donald Trump did to attack Canada in this unprovoked way
00:32:36.220without any justification really felt like a betrayal.
00:32:39.500And so Canadians now are right to say,
00:32:41.080well, we don't really trust Donald Trump at this point,
00:32:43.700and we can't really have a lot of faith in him.
00:32:45.400So when it comes to our Arctic sovereignty and our security, we need to make decisions that are in our best interest and no longer be so dependent and so reliant on the U.S.
00:32:54.540And that's what I would advocate for, making sure we are resilient, independent, and less dependent on the United States.
00:33:00.740Monsieur Blanchet, for you, what supports would you want to see for industries affected by tariffs, many, of course, of which are in Quebec?
00:33:33.300The necessity for Quebec to have at least partly its own voice in the negotiation is important.
00:33:38.880The difference between Quebec and Canada is very important in terms of economy, but also in terms of identity and language and values and who we are and the way we want to handle immigration.
00:33:53.440And if this difference is being respected by whoever becomes prime minister of Canada, we will be reliable partners in order to achieve the best possible negotiation and protect ourselves and our economies as partners.
00:34:07.980Okay, we now move into open debate, and I'll start it off, Mr. Carney, with you, and then we go from there.
00:34:13.600Do you still support dollar-for-dollar tariffs, even if they ultimately threaten Canadian jobs and businesses?
00:34:21.440No, and in fact, we've already moved off from dollar.
00:34:27.080We'll do. The United States economy is more than 10 times the size of the Canadian economy.
00:34:31.340And the principle, in terms of our counter tariffs, is to have maximum impact in the United States, as I said a moment ago, minimum impact here.
00:34:39.660So we have to think about the impact on Canadian businesses.
00:34:44.940In the auto sector, the way we've designed those auto tariffs is that Canadian automakers, if they maintain production here, if they maintain their investments here,
00:34:55.840When I say Canadian automakers, I mean automakers that have jobs and plants and production in Canada.
00:35:01.140Then they can have lower tariffs on what they ship to the United States.
00:35:06.260We create a huge incentive for them in order to do that.
00:35:08.960We also have carved out the Canadian auto parts sector.
00:35:12.640Last point, I know you're pressed for time.
00:35:14.740The Canadian auto parts sector so that it can remain competitive with the United States.
00:35:19.380We're focused on maximizing Canadian jobs, maximizing the harm in the U.S., so that we get them where we need them.
00:35:25.660Mr. Poliet, if you want in, then Mr. Singh.
00:35:27.780Mr. Carney, you claim that you want our country to respond with strength, but after the last decade, half of which time you've been Justin Trudeau's economic advisor, our economy is weaker than ever before.
00:39:43.400has already paid to the United States two billions of dollars,
00:39:46.400and you have not raised one finger in order to help us.
00:39:50.400us. Let's get from Mr. Polyev and then a response from Mr. Carney. Well, Mr. Carney refused to
00:39:55.920answer the question about pipelines. Just the other day, he said that he doesn't necessarily
00:40:00.980think we need to build pipelines. Let me tell you what that means. Right now, the Americans get 97%
00:40:07.380of our oil, 100% of our natural gas exports at big discounts. We have to send Canadian oil from
00:40:13.940Western Canada through the states just to get it back to Quebec because we don't have a pipeline.
00:40:18.200And now there's this law, Liberal Law C-69, which effectively bans pipelines.
00:40:24.660The 14 biggest energy and resource companies say it has to go if we're ever going to build another project.
00:40:31.020And I asked Mr. Carney why he would keep in place this anti-pipeline law that effectively empowers Donald Trump to have a total monopoly on our single biggest export.
00:40:43.680Why would you not repeal this Liberal Law?
00:40:46.480isn't it because you are exactly in the same line as Justin Trudeau
00:40:51.860and the rest of the liberal team that is now making up your cabinet?
00:48:26.800Three, sell off federal land for homes.
00:48:29.640And four, train up 350,000 young trades workers who can help build those homes.
00:48:36.040because you deserve a home and we're going to make it happen for a change.
00:48:40.880Also on the issue of affordability, Mr. Singh, you've got the next question.
00:48:43.820How do you bring down grocery prices in the midst of a trade war?
00:48:47.980I appreciate the question. This is a big concern.
00:48:51.280When I talk to Canadians, they tell me they're really feeling squeezed from the cost of living.
00:48:56.080That's one of the top things that people tell me about.
00:48:58.380People are saying, I can't afford to buy groceries.
00:49:00.480every time i go to the grocery store it's just ongoing worry and and this feeling of anxiety
00:49:06.640that can i actually afford the things that my family needs on top of that people are worried
00:49:09.920about the cost of homes i think those are the two biggest things i hear so we we can do things about
00:49:14.240this other countries have taken concrete steps we can put in a price cap on food essentials
00:49:19.440france has done it greece has done it to great success it's brought down the cost of food
00:49:23.440significantly in both those jurisdictions we can also ban corporate landlords from buying up the
00:49:28.000affordable homes to keep homes that are affordable affordable we can make things better for canadians
00:49:33.600but it requires having the courage to take on the powerful corporations that are ripping you off that
00:49:39.040are price gouging you and we know that price gouging is one of the major reasons why food
00:49:43.280prices are going up you're never going to hear pierre pauliev or mr carney talk about the fact
00:49:47.840that these are the corporations thank you mr singh that's time mr blanchet i want to ask you
00:49:51.680about old age security which will soon cost this country a hundred billion dollars annually we
00:49:56.960understand you would like to expand it how would you pay for that we would want it to be just for
00:50:02.080everybody because the liberals have created the discrimination against elders which are 65 to 75
00:50:08.800years old having 10 percent less income from federal government than those who are over 75 but
00:50:15.760the best way to do it is to have everybody pay its fair share in terms of tax which means that one
00:50:22.240should not be entitled to hide money in fiscal paradise in order not to pay him or his clients
00:50:29.840or friends not to pay billions of dollars in taxes that could be used to help the situation of elders
00:50:38.640those are things which are supposed to be applied applied to i'm sorry applied to everybody there
00:50:43.600are a lot of questions to be answered about that other ways to do it is to reduce the pressure on
00:50:50.320housing price to make sure that the whole budget of elders and families and workers can afford
00:50:58.160houses which have increased dramatically that's time for this one mr carney want to ask you about
00:51:04.720housing which over the past decade has gone from a problem to a crisis while the liberals were in
00:51:10.960power is your policy on getting homes built any different from your predecessors and how uh this
00:51:17.600is one of the reasons why i entered this uh this contest uh because of the housing crisis the cost
00:51:23.680of living crisis the housing crisis and the trump crisis to help to help fix it um and i would look
00:51:29.440the housing approach is fundamentally different because we need a fundamentally different approach
00:51:33.920we need to build housing at a rate that we haven't seen since the end of the second world war we do
00:51:40.240need a fundamentally different approach and be and with the fundamentally different approach we can
00:51:44.160build an entirely new industry so the question is how now mr polyev and i agree on some things okay
00:51:50.320i agree as well on reducing the tax on first-time home purchases as a way to buy but i am focused
00:51:57.520on increasing the supply of homes and doing that in a way that uses canadian technology and modular
00:52:04.560prefabricated housing that uses canadian lumber including in reinforced timber and uses canadian
00:52:11.200workers and in all respects we're scaling up to double the rate of home building thank you mr
00:52:17.440carney that's time we now move to open forum here and mr singh you get the first comment
00:52:22.160many of you have pledged to cut the gst on many aspects of buying a home and mr singh i want to
00:52:27.440ask you would you cut the gst on anything else in order to make life more affordable absolutely in
00:52:32.160fact i'm the only one on this stage that fought to give people a gst holiday interestingly while
00:52:37.200While the GSD holiday helps working class folks, middle class folks, by taking off the GSD off essentials, the conservatives under Pierre Polyev voted against that.
00:52:46.260They oppose the idea of giving people, actual folks that need help, a tax break and would rather give millionaires a tax break.
00:52:52.860Which shows you whose side he's on, which is not surprising.
00:52:55.740But what is surprising is that Mr. Carney also said that giving people a break on their GSD is a bad idea.
00:53:00.640Mr. Carney, why do you think giving a tax break to capital gains folks that earn more
00:53:05.840than a million dollars is a good idea, but helping a family afford their groceries, helping
00:53:10.820people afford their bills for their internet, their cell phone, their home heating, giving
00:53:14.860them relief to take the GST off of those is a bad idea, but giving a tax break to people
00:53:19.580who really only earn over more than $1.4 million, that's somehow a good idea.
00:53:24.440Okay, you went after Mr. Paglia first, so I'm going to give him the first shot to respond.
00:53:29.040Well, Mr. Carney, the reality is that housing costs doubled under the liberal government.
00:53:34.760While Justin Trudeau made exactly the same promises that you are now repeating today,
00:53:40.680he promised that he would double home building.
00:53:57.440Just a few weeks ago, before the election, the Liberals voted against taking the GST off new homes, and they have continued to build up bureaucracies that block construction.
00:54:08.280We need a change so that you can afford a home.
00:54:10.640And our change will be, again, to axe the sales tax on new homes, incentivize municipalities to speed up permits, free up land, and cut development costs,
00:54:20.040train up 350,000 young people who can be in the trades to build those homes and sell off the land
00:54:25.800that is going to be needed in order to build homes. That is a real plan, a real plan for you
00:54:31.720to own a home and afford your life for a change. Mr. Carney, they're coming at you from both
00:54:36.300sides. What do you say? Okay. I know it may be difficult, Mr. Polyev. You spent years running
00:54:42.420against Justin Trudeau and the carbon tax and neither, they're both gone. Okay. They're both
00:54:47.020gone. And we're in a very different. Look, I'm a very different person from Justin Trudeau.
00:54:55.300Focus is on results. And so how to drive results in the housing market. You've got to change the
00:55:02.820model of building. You've got to increase the financing for housing developers. $25 billion
00:55:09.220on the table for those housing developers. $10 billion for deeply affordable homes.
01:06:56.940The situation of one person asking for asylum may take as much as four years without us reducing the number in order to deal with them in a human way.
01:07:11.740The services for every citizen in Quebec are being reduced because we cannot afford the fact that we are receiving much, much more people in Quebec from this specific type of immigration than we can afford.
01:14:07.640So I think these two debates back-to-back
01:14:11.960are going to shift the numbers at this point.
01:14:13.640I don't think that Kearney looks strong on his feet,
01:14:16.900and I think the accusation that he is Justin 2.0
01:14:21.020has actually landed far better than I thought that it would on this.
01:14:27.120Yeah, Francois Blanchet, I think, had the line of the night.
01:14:30.380He said that, Mark Kearney, you're trying to prove
01:14:33.240that you're different than Justin Trudeau,
01:14:35.280but you're supposed to prove that you're better than him,
01:14:37.620which is such a good point and such a good line.
01:14:40.460Unfortunately, it was hard to understand him
01:14:41.800because of his uh accent but i thought that that was an incredibly strong line i i just have to
01:14:47.800comment that jagmeet singh is just so annoying like i don't know what he's trying to accomplish
01:14:53.480and he just keeps interrupting he won't let us watch the debate and it's just at this point like
01:14:59.560incredibly frustrating he's struggling for relevance and it's clear uh you know he it's
01:15:05.080almost like watching a guy who's a high school debater he sort of plants a uh please vote ndp
01:15:10.280because we care more uh kind of line and tries to cut across uh cut across pierre paulia in particular
01:15:19.720absolutely and again folks i promise we will get back to the life if you want you can open
01:15:23.960up another window and keep your eye on what's happening with the actual debate and our producer
01:15:28.200here is just trying to figure out what the heck happened and get back to the live feed and we
01:15:33.240will do that as soon as possible um but stay with us because we will uh have that back and then we're
01:15:38.200We're going to have the post debate show, which is what you're really going to want to watch with the independent journalists being able to ask questions.
01:15:49.040I know this is a bit of a distraction, but we're getting lots of clips of the media getting into arguments like legacy media journalists yelling at Kian Bextie and a kerfuffle with Ezra Levant there and the CBC false reporting that he had his credentials revoked, even though he says that he does not.
01:16:06.360So it's a drama backstage, it looks like, at the leaders' debate.
01:16:12.820And hopefully we'll get that feed up any second now so we can go back to the real thing.
01:16:17.600I know you guys don't want to be sitting here watching David and I.
01:16:21.180And we will get back to that live feed, and then we'll provide our full reaction after the show.
01:16:28.300People are living in terror in many of our communities precisely because of the catch-and-release bail law, C-75.
01:16:35.760which requires judges release the accused at the earliest opportunity under the least onerous conditions.
01:16:43.980You're every single member voted in favor of this bill,
01:16:50.760and they are all determined to keep it in place despite constant promises to the contrary.
01:16:56.600Mr. Carney, Canadians deserve to live in peace and security.
01:17:01.220That is the right that I'm fighting for, for a change.
01:17:04.260I'm fighting for that as well. And let me be specific about two things that have been raised.
01:17:09.920The first is with respect to these issues of car theft, home invasion, and I'll use the greater the GTA area where there has been startup increase.
01:17:22.220How do you attack that? You attack it several ways. One, you increase the criminal penalties for that happening, particularly if you're part of a gang, particularly if you use a firearm.
01:17:34.640And we're doing so. We've committed to doing so.
01:17:36.760You put in place a reverse onus in terms of bail so that it has to be proven that there's not a risk, which we've also committed to.
01:17:43.940And then you go to what Mr. Singh was talking about, which is we have to reinforce our frontiers.
01:17:49.540That's why we're committing to an extra thousand Canada Border Service agents, an extra thousand RCMPs.
01:17:56.120That's why as part of the broader fentanyl initiative, where we've added to the RCMP there, we've added drones.
01:18:03.580We're adding helicopters, we're adding surveillance, and we're going to the other end of the chain with respect to car theft, which is tightening security at the ports.
01:18:20.460I want to talk about one of the issues that has come up is the idea of the public safety concerns around the overdose crisis and how this is devastating our communities.
01:18:30.280We're seeing so many lives being lost.
01:18:33.280In that, we know that one of the ways to address that is by investing in some of the solutions
01:18:37.880like mental health services and rehabilitation services.
01:18:40.960Services keep our communities safe, having access to those good services.
01:18:45.060Both Mr. Carney and Mr. Polyev are proposing cutting government spending and cutting those services.
01:18:50.340That's not going to make our communities safer.
01:18:52.360We need to see better investments in rehabilitation services, more investments in mental health.
01:18:56.620We need to respond to this serious crisis in our country with care and compassion.
01:19:01.660I've met with Moms Stop the Harm, an organization of moms that have lost their children to this opioid overdose crisis.
01:19:09.400They've literally had their children have died because of this.
01:19:12.440And they say they're saying we need to do everything possible to save lives, to stop this death from happening.
01:19:18.660And I think we need to listen to those moms. And that's my commitment.
01:30:56.320and wealth for Quebecers with our own money.
01:31:00.700We need to let the leader of the Liberals respond.
01:31:03.820Well, actually, I was going to pick up on the enormous opportunity that exists in Quebec, exists in Ontario, exists in the north of Canada, really exists across this great nation in terms of critical metals and minerals.
01:31:15.960We are one of have one of the biggest resources in this country. And this is it's not just enormous economic opportunity. It is a strategic opportunity for Canada.
01:31:26.420So we have to make a decision, not just to develop it,
01:31:29.580but how do we develop it and who are our partners for it?
01:31:32.880Do we become more dependent on the United States, which is what they want?
01:31:36.320By the way, President Trump this week said he might put a tax on critical metals and minerals,
01:31:41.260just showing again the unreliable, if I may.
01:31:50.420So the opportunity includes in Europe and includes in Asia as our partners.
01:31:54.760Last point, in order to get it done, in order to get it done, we'll put in place a first and last mile fund.
01:32:00.520So these projects are connected to road and rail so they can go quickly to market.
01:32:03.920And we will have all of the other fast tracking measures in place that I talked about earlier in terms of capital, timing, approvals, so that we can move quickly.
01:32:17.980You should absolutely take advantage of the fact that we've got incredible amounts of critical minerals in our country.
01:32:22.800And the way we do that is with any energy project or any project of this nature, make sure it's got the local community buy-in, it creates good jobs in communities, make sure we are meeting all our environmental needs, and we work with indigenous partnership.
01:37:24.960I actually do know the answer to that question.
01:37:27.220When you add taxes to steel, you raise the price of everything that uses steel.
01:37:33.800When you add the carbon tax onto the price of, for example, fertilizer, you increase the price of food.
01:37:45.180So while Mr. Carney has temporarily hidden the liberal carbon tax at the pumps while keeping the tax fully in law and planning to raise it after the election,
01:37:54.060he's also going after a tax on our industry that will ultimately be passed on to you.
01:37:59.260After a lost liberal decade of rising costs, we cannot afford a fourth liberal term.
01:38:05.180We need a new government that will fully axe the carbon tax, increase the jobs that we have here in Canada, and bring down your cost of living.
01:38:13.800We've got just a little over three minutes left in this segment.
01:38:15.920So, Mr. Singh, I want to ask you, do you think climate change is still a priority from Canadians?
01:38:19.820You're out there. What are you hearing?
01:38:21.740Absolutely. You speak to any young person and they think, you know, we're seeing climate crisis in front of us happening right now.
01:38:29.040speak to seniors who say you know we used to be able to live in our homes without air conditioning
01:38:33.280and now we're seeing heat crises in communities that never had worries about extreme weather
01:38:38.720we're seeing flooding we're seeing forest fires like never before we're living in a climate crisis
01:38:43.700so Canadians are absolutely worried about it as soon as we come into a summer we start seeing
01:38:48.120those forest fires again it's top of mind for Canadians because they're living it they're
01:38:51.640seeing it and I want those Canadians to know Mr Carney is not going to end those fossil
01:38:55.720of his subsidies unless I'm there to fight back.
01:45:25.440It will happen only after the negotiation is over, and that's a good thing.
01:45:30.200I want to say, I support the idea, we must help Ukraine, but we also must help the civilians of Gaza, and we must destroy Hamas, which is a terrorist organization.
01:45:42.920You know what? I don't want to be the leader of Canada.
01:45:46.620You will understand that. I don't want to be prime minister.
01:45:48.780But I can offer to be a partner, a responsible partner, a collaborative partner, if Quebec is respected in its differences, in its aluminum industry and lumberwood industry and culture and French language and values of secularity of the state, which is the price to be paid in order to have real equality.
01:46:11.820Then, if we are respected, we will be a partner,
01:46:15.880and then even Canada will be stronger in its negotiation against Donald Trump.
01:46:22.180This is what I am offering. Respect us.
01:46:25.900Mr. Singh, I watched last night's debate.
01:46:28.600You seem very eager to talk about health care,
01:46:30.540so let's talk a little more health care right now.
01:46:32.620You have made many promises on health care.
01:46:35.500If a province says to you, we'll take your money for health care,
01:46:40.080but not your conditions on how to spend it, what do you do?
01:48:17.380Right now, Vladimir Putin has a monopoly on the European energy market because, frankly, the Liberals blocked exports of Canadian natural gas off the Atlantic coast.
01:48:30.500I would rapidly approve those projects on national security grounds so that we can actually ship Canadian natural gas over to Europe, break European dependence on Putin, defund the war, and turn dollars for dictators back into paychecks for our people.
01:48:51.200Well, I want to go to the situation in Ukraine because it's very important.
01:48:54.760And we've been a steadfast, Canada has been a steadfast ally, and Canadians have stepped up, welcoming Ukrainians into their homes and supporting them in other ways.
01:49:04.540You know, in my first month as Prime Minister, we joined the Coalition of the Willing to support Ukraine as the U.S. Step Back.
01:49:11.400So led by France, the United Kingdom, with Ukraine number, European nations, Australia, ourselves, New Zealand.
01:49:18.680That's an example of how the new world is going to be.
01:49:22.340Canada participating in these areas and helping.
01:49:43.280New Democrats absolutely support standing with Ukraine, and we'll continue to do that.
01:49:47.160But I appreciate the opportunity in talking about leadership in crisis, talk about many of the crises we're up against.
01:49:53.720And one of the crises we're up against in our country with the threat of Donald Trump, with the threat of the trade war and with the privatization and Americanization of our health care system is the health care system.
01:50:04.880And what we have learned today, you know, Mr. Carney mentioned slowing operation spending.
01:51:30.120First, I will support any initiative which will bring Canada,
01:51:35.800aligned with Europe and NATO, in order to be stronger
01:51:39.640and facing new threats. I believe that 2% won't be enough. I'm not more in favor of war than anybody
01:51:47.720else, but we have responsibilities and our main ally is removing himself from the stage. So we
01:51:55.480have to step up. We have to do our part. I want to go somewhere else entirely, however. I want to ask
01:52:01.240Mr Carney if we're speaking about leadership here if Quebec and Canada were to say you are not being
01:52:11.640given a majority government there will be more conservatives than you would like maybe more
01:52:18.040the new democrats than you would like and more people from the block than you would like
01:52:23.240will you accept because you don't seem to very to be very eager about that to deal with people
01:52:31.240which basically are more experienced than you are, as legitimate as you are, and would be more representative altogether than you would be being alone in your little kingdom.
01:52:44.400And I want also to propose to you all guys that one week after the election, one week after the election, we all meet, whatever the result, and we start dealing with this crisis together.
01:52:58.700because this is what people, either they are from Alberta or Quebec or wherever,
01:53:25.960But in a crisis, yes, you need a team, and you need to bring the country along with you.
01:53:35.440So what I did in the first week was to bring the premiers together, meet with all the indigenous leaders, and move forward in that context.
01:53:46.840Now the question is, who's going to lead out of this?
01:53:51.240Whoever leads out of this, if I may, Mr. Blanche.
01:53:54.460Whoever's going to lead out of this is going to need to work with all the provinces, work with Labour, work with Indigenous leaders, work with all Canadians to bring them forward in a united front.
01:54:07.180And one of, and I'll make this last point, one of the things that has happened, which is a credit to those people at home, is that Canadians are coming together.
01:54:17.840And it's our responsibility to meet the strength of Canadian unity.
01:54:22.520I have one small point to make, you will be elected if you are elected in the parliament
01:54:28.360where there are other leaders. I don't know if he called you or Mr. Puedev, I don't know if he
01:54:33.640called you, but before yesterday you have not spoken to me once, even if I proposed it so many
01:54:40.040times, but you say I speak to provinces leaders. You're not elected in provinces, you are in the
01:54:46.120parliament where people are to make decisions which might not always suit you, but this is
01:54:52.120democracy too much about i'm going to jump in here because i'm noticing what the clock is saying and
01:54:58.280you brought up gaza earlier and i think our audience would be interested in hearing your
01:55:02.600views on the other major international crisis uh facing the world before we get that just to
01:55:07.880finish up on the healthcare i just want to speak to healthcare workers right now who are deeply
01:55:11.800worried about the status of our healthcare system to canadians who believe and love our universal
01:55:17.240public healthcare system to patients who are stressed out if you're worried about wish mr
01:55:21.480Carney to believe, the one today or the one who spoke on freebie of shows and said he would cut
01:55:26.520over New Democrats and we will fight to defend our health care. I think your supporters would
01:55:30.920really like to hear what you have to say about this question and we have less than five minutes
01:55:34.600for it here. What role should Canada play in the other major international crisis in this world
01:55:41.000in the Middle East and the war in Gaza? Pierre Polyev, would you start us off on that? What role
01:55:45.240can canada play well first of all we must condemn hamas and more importantly the terror sponsors in
01:55:53.360tehran who initiated the attacks the horrific attacks of october 7th we need to just to just
01:56:00.660to defeat the terrorists so that all the peoples of the world can live in peace and defend the
01:56:07.300right of yes palestinians to have their own lives free from the oppression of hamas dictators and
01:56:14.320Iranian intervention, while Israel has the ability to live in freedom and peace. But I also want to
01:56:19.000say we need to get back to the Canadian tradition, which is that when people come to this country,
01:56:23.640they leave foreign conflicts behind. The rampaging riots targeting Jewish communities is utterly
01:56:30.160unacceptable, and it points to the growing chaos that we see on our streets after 10 years of
01:56:36.740incredibly irresponsible liberal policies, of weak borders, of dividing people into groups,
01:58:36.040The law in Canada says that somebody may invite people to be violent, to propose genocide against another people, if they can be hidden behind a religious motivation.
02:11:04.680Well, first of all, I have got my security clearance when I was a minister.
02:11:10.280I got top secret clearance at the time, so there's no problem getting that.
02:11:13.760But when the government made this recent offer, they said that if I got the secret security clearance briefings,
02:11:20.680that I would be gay under the security law, and I could be prosecuted if I spoke freely about matters of foreign interference.
02:11:29.380Now, given that Canada has experienced Chinese interference by Beijing, the government of China, in two consecutive elections, I needed to do my job to speak freely without fear of prosecution.
02:11:44.100And that was not something I would be allowed to do.
02:11:46.160Even Thomas Mulcair, the former leader of the NDP, said that when he was the leader of the opposition, he never would have accepted the kind of gag order that your government and Mr. Trudeau's government was attempting to impose on me.
02:11:59.520And it's good that I made that decision because it has allowed me to speak freely about things like the case where one of your candidates, sir, actually said that he wanted to send a political opponent to China under a bounty threatening his life or imprisonment, and you refused to get rid of him.
02:12:18.880Now, it might have something to do with the fact that you went to China not long ago to get a quarter billion dollar loan for your company.
02:12:25.020But the reality is you refuse to stand up for a Canadian who is being threatened by a foreign government.
02:12:31.360And I was able to speak freely on that matter because I refused the gag order that the liberal government attempted to impose on me.
02:12:38.560Well, you know, there's a couple of interesting things.
02:12:40.280I think people at home have seen a robust debate here and it's been a robust campaign.
02:12:46.120And it has not stopped Mr. Blashe or Mr. Singh at Times during his campaign by making challenges with respect to these issues.
02:12:55.380I will observe, as someone with the top secret security clearance, that China is not the only country that is accused of foreign interference.
02:13:03.420And gentlemen, that is time for the segment.
02:13:35.100That said, when we renegotiate our trade deal with the U.S.,
02:13:40.340I know it's their priority to see us increase our military budget.
02:13:43.740One of the things I will say to the Americans is the more free trade, tariff free free trade we have, the faster we can rebuild our military in Canada and reassert our sovereignty.
02:13:55.620And we will use that money to have heavy icebreakers in the north, beside an aircraft, fighter jets, a new base in the north, double the Arctic Rangers, fill the vacancies in the armed forces and rebuild the warrior spirit that characterized our military since the birth of our country.
02:14:13.260We will rebuild our forces and we will stand behind our veterans.
02:14:19.400Mr. Carney, your question, you have cut both the consumer carbon tax and the capital gains tax increase that you inherited from your predecessor.
02:14:27.180Is that an admission that the liberals made life less affordable for Canadians?
02:14:32.480I think the, let me give you the rationale behind both of those changes.
02:14:37.400First, with respect to the consumer carbon tax.
02:14:40.160In effect, it'd become too divisive for Canadians.
02:15:35.440A couple of things, though, we know we need to be able to set the amount of folks that we welcome to our country at a level that it meets our needs.
02:15:42.460So I would ensure that we've got an expert panel that makes that determination based on our economic needs.
02:15:48.100We also know that we should we should be very clear that the lack of investment from liberals and conservatives resulted in the fact that we have a shortage in housing.
02:15:57.080That's something that we've got to fix.
02:15:59.000I should also point out that if you are worried about the cuts being proposed by Liberals and Conservatives,
02:26:23.540just to share with you the post debate scrums have been cancelled they've been cancelled the
02:26:39.180post the debates commission leaders to make commission announced that due to security
02:26:44.460concerns they've decided that there will not be a media scrum this is unbelievable folks
02:26:51.780This is an assault on our democracy, on freedom of speech and freedom of the press, because we all know damn well that there is no security threat in that building.
02:27:03.380If there was a security threat, that debate would be preempted and those leaders would be rushed off stage if there was actually a real security threat.
02:27:13.480The reality is that they cannot let their man and the liberals face independent reporters again.
02:27:22.140They could not allow another night like last night with a bigger audience.
02:27:27.160The English debate obviously is much, much more watched than the French debate.
02:27:31.240So they pulled the plug on the entire thing.
02:27:34.560We're going to have Kian Bexty joining the line shortly to break it all down for us.
02:27:39.320And we know that the feed cut out about halfway through the debate.
02:27:42.440And so you had a little bit of commentary for myself and David, and I said that there
02:28:08.400The media did not like the independent reporters.
02:28:11.560There is a revolt going on right now in independent media where you have on one side the state-funded regime media, the bullies, who have no time and no patience for anyone who thinks differently than them.
02:28:25.360And then you have the beacon of hope and light, I believe, which is a small handful of people like Kian Bextie, like Alex Zoltan, like Ezra Levant.
02:29:09.560And I was telling my husband earlier, I actually really don't like when our reporters and when we become the subject of a story.
02:29:16.500Yeah, it's fun. And, you know, it's it makes it like a little bit more colorful and we get to send out these heated emails and all that.
02:29:23.740But I would much prefer to just cover the politics of it and be able to just simply ask her questions and report on the news and the issues and the matters at play in this election.
02:29:34.700and it's a shame that the focus has to go from the debate
02:42:05.780and he acted in a manner that just seemed
02:42:07.720like he was the only non-adult in the room.
02:42:10.760Blanchette was a surprise for me in the way he responded.
02:42:14.400And Carney, I think, went in with high expectations.
02:42:19.500If you looked at the polling markets and sort of how people thought it would go, the expectation was that Carney would be the winner of the debate, but sort of 43% to 20% or something.
02:42:30.000And, you know, I think that he underperformed his expectations.
02:54:32.700They also threw my name around a little bit,
02:54:35.280accusing me of working for Rebel News,
02:54:37.420like there's some grand conspiracy with Ezra Levant at the helm of it.
02:54:41.840It was absolutely one of the strangest moments of my life.
02:54:46.580Chaotic is, you know, doesn't do it justice,
02:54:53.480doesn't describe enough how rabid these journalists were.
02:54:57.020You'll see videos that I don't know if we can throw to right now, but you'll see videos of Ezra coming in and out of the media room and the gaggle of alt-left journalists surrounding him, pestering him, screaming at him.
02:55:09.080One of them was with the Hill Times, who came up to me and started attacking me.
02:55:13.520Because as I was discussing with my colleague, Ellie, with The Hub, the question I was going to ask Mark Carney, which was pretty clear and pretty fair about Ryan Turnbull, his candidate who called gay men perverse.
02:55:26.360And I'm not going to say the F slur that he used.
02:55:28.920It's so hateful that you'll have to go read the story at JunoNews.com.
02:55:33.420But he said it and he apologized for it after I threatened to ask Mark Carney about it at the debate.
02:55:38.120And as I discussed this with Ellie, this Hilltimes reporter stands up, turns around, and crashes out saying that it's totally unfair for me to even bring this up, that it's not an accurate question, that I'm not reflecting what Ryan Turnbull said in his Facebook thread when he was 30 years old.
02:55:58.700You can tell that they're running protection for the Liberal Party because this was going to be a very damaging question that we asked Mark Carney.
02:56:05.420And I would have asked it of Jagmeet Singh if he had a candidate who was as hateful as Ryan Turnbull.
02:56:11.720But this Hill Times reporter, he identified that this would have been a dangerous question for Mark Carney.
03:13:19.060And that's what concerns me, is that 4Canada is a different group that was registered.
03:13:25.720You paid $170,000 to Rebel News Network Limited. Is that not true?
03:13:30.080You're getting your facts wrong, Justin.
03:13:31.980And I want to make sure you're careful.
03:13:34.200say to you yes we were actually talking about the cbc who want us out of here the cbc want us kicked
03:13:41.720out we're not leaving the cbc were outraged that mr cormier let us in the cbc had four questions
03:13:51.240yesterday rebel news had four questions yesterday so there was ezra quite like calmly just sort of
03:13:59.320explaining i guess what's happening but it's so weird to have people kind of scrumming him i think
03:14:05.000it was justin ling like throwing all kinds of accusations at them and it really has turned
03:14:11.560into like a turf war i don't know i love it i love it it's what happens when uh when the bad guys
03:14:18.120start losing you know they've they've created a boring singular you know easily pre-baked product
03:14:27.240that satisfies their pay masters it's boring they're losing the canadians don't trust it
03:14:33.560no one watches it it's tedious it's fake authoritative it's kind of sad it's not interesting
03:14:41.080it's not no one's no one's tuning in anymore uh you know generationally they're appealing to
03:14:46.440people that grew up watching tv and that's it that's where they're at and so so yeah what
03:14:52.040happened yesterday was a bunch of independent enterprising a little bit rebellious younger
03:14:57.880fun-loving criminal journalists who are independent broke in asked a bunch of questions that people
03:15:03.280actually find interesting and are buzzing about and the mainstream journalists lost their minds
03:15:08.760because they feel like they have a god-given right to control what canadians think and talk about
03:15:13.220and they don't and the thing that's the reason that they're acting violent or in you know i don't
03:15:19.400know if i want to say violence kind of you know battle of the nerds there you know it's the reason
03:15:24.720they're acting so aggressive is because they're losing power but they're all they're not just
03:15:29.860losing like this isn't just a moment what they can sense is this is the end of a cartel right
03:15:35.680this is the beginning of the end and it's um it's like watching season three of narcos right like
03:15:42.560you kind of know this is not going to end well for the people that were big shots at the beginning
03:15:47.380it's all over right if there's anything like market forces in this then these people are
03:15:53.560going to be out of a job and they know it instinctively their instinct tells them these
03:15:57.300these are bright people and they can see that independent journalists are rumbling them on
03:16:02.460stories that they probably should have caught and didn't catch they're asking questions that
03:16:06.760actually people are asking about they're provoking a different narrative than the one that's accepted
03:16:12.800That if you went to journalism school, studied grievance studies in university and know that there's a pro forma way to think and talk about everything that's acceptable.
03:16:21.840If you did your undergraduate degree at Carleton and you decided that you needed to be not oppressed and suddenly somebody comes along and they don't they look like all the people that you think are supposed to be oppressed.
03:16:36.520like that lovely lady from from rebel news is asking jagmeet singh and suddenly jagmeet singh
03:16:41.640who thinks that he's you know uh always dealing with white racism is suddenly dealing with
03:16:47.080somebody who's asking him a hard question about uh a phobia against christianity and the burning
03:16:51.720of churches and the unjustified basis for that taking place and and the fact that he was silent
03:16:57.560on it he doesn't those break all of his categories but just as important they break all the categories
03:17:03.960of all the people standing back in the back of the line
03:17:32.480It's kind of theatrical. It's kind of interesting. And it needs and demands a response. And if you're part of the old cartel that forever has been following some sad, pathetic, made in French universities in the 1960s, left critical school narrative that doesn't permit any alternative views, then what happens is you just got your house shaken down by that young journalist asking a guy who's so trapped by his ideology that he has to say,
03:18:01.240she's the one that's got a misinformation problem he refuses to respond to it they they know that
03:18:07.560that film playing for anybody reasonable rational sane that didn't go to carlton journalism school
03:18:13.160and learn that they're supposed to be aggrieved and oppressed and anti-colonial it's everybody
03:18:18.280normal the other 97 percent of canadians see something where somebody says hey this is
03:18:23.080interesting 200 churches got got burned down or or were attacked with arson and and i want
03:18:30.200want to understand why you won't call that out when you seem to be the person that's always most
03:18:34.220interested in addressing any sort of unusual attack or race or ethnic or religious-based
03:24:44.260But there's generational mapping to that.
03:24:46.640And I think what's going on right now is people over 60 do rely very heavily on news media, but they also rely on a tacit promise that news media used to deliver, which was that there was going to be this endeavor to present to the greatest degree possible a sort of generically honest perspective or viewpoint of what's going on.
03:25:09.880And what's happened in the last 20 years isn't just that new media has come along.
03:25:13.820It's also been that journalism schools have become more and more radicalized along with the universities in general.
03:25:19.500And the idea of journalism has turned from being trying to report truth, as you understand it, from perspectives that might not be immediately evident to people, right, which makes it interesting, to actually making it into an activist project.
03:25:35.100and unfortunately like so many other activist projects there it's informed by a you know a
03:25:41.340bunch of ideological theories that are rooted in left-wing assumptions about the nature of
03:25:46.780life and what's just etc and those play out and when you threaten that um you see a bunch of
03:25:54.580journalists act like a bunch of campus radicals because that's how they've been raised they've
03:25:59.000been told this is all about an enterprise that's rooted in power knowledge is power information
03:26:04.020is core to knowledge and so if somebody else starts to intervene in that exchange right they're
03:26:11.200a threat to you and they're a threat to the activist project and i love it i think canada
03:26:16.500needs a lot more of the nights like tonight where you see somebody doing something crazy like
03:26:21.880shutting down the scrums because they can't take it because the previous night independent media
03:26:26.900got questions and the canadians actually found fascinating um and you know can it's the project
03:26:33.500you're working on is going to go from strength to strength because you know nothing is going in the
03:26:39.040other direction progressives love to sort of have this line about oh yeah you know it's just like
03:26:43.480just watch you know they're losing on the climate narrative now that's fading fast esg was a big
03:26:50.360deal when i was in government and uh you know jason was the premier and we were working hard
03:26:55.460we had an esg working group we had to turn things around we'd deal with mark carney's destructive
03:26:59.720influence uh in the uk we had to reverse uh with hsbc and barclays that bizarre uh attack on
03:27:08.940democracy-based energy assets only you know they were allowed to do deals in in russia and iraq
03:27:14.720iraq you know saudi and but you see them that was one of the most bizarre things hard to interject
03:27:19.580i just i never understood that like i remember walking through calgary airport and like the the
03:27:25.100gangways were like wrapped with HSBC ads and yet they had just announced that they were pulling
03:27:29.920out of all oil and gas projects. It's like, do you know like what that means? Like why are you
03:27:35.120advertising in Calgary? You might as well just pull out of the city entirely because it was just
03:27:39.980so out of touch. And at that point I felt like, wow, like the world is moving in a very dangerous
03:27:46.120direction very fast. I think you're right though that the mood has changed. Like you could even
03:27:49.860see it in the debate tonight like usually the conservative leader whoever it is would be hit
03:27:55.300over the head from all angles like why don't you have a better plan what's your plan to reduce
03:28:00.580emissions um tonight actually i thought that pierre polly have owned that issue and i don't think that
03:28:05.060i've seen a conservative own that issue in at least a decade maybe longer i mean i don't think they've
03:28:10.260ever owned the issue but uh pierre's point about how he would get um lng and he would get uh energy
03:28:18.820exports to get countries like India off of coal that was again like like that was the point like
03:28:25.120at that point no one could say anything and he completely won that issue um sorry to interrupt
03:28:29.980you I know you were making a different point so you can go no no I think that's exactly the point
03:28:33.480the point is the progressive idea that their theory or their ideology is going to continue to
03:28:39.700sort of evolve in a uh ever larger you know they're going to capture hearts and minds over
03:28:45.920time and that eventually the outcome uh towards a big state solution is inevitable this is failing
03:28:53.200with respect to to the narrative around esg and climate uh conservatives are now on the rise on
03:28:58.960climate because actually the conservative solution is let's remove two and a half times our entire
03:29:03.360national carbon footprint by shipping our lng to the coal-based economies that need it so badly and
03:29:10.080could be cleaned up and wanted right what do the liberals say to that they've had 10 years first
03:29:14.720four years emissions went up on their watch well they did all these made all these moves to degrade
03:29:19.520our ability to go to capital markets same thing's happening with legacy media the model that canada
03:29:25.440has embraced under the liberal party the last 10 years has bell bottoms on it from the 1970s
03:29:30.720this is not an economic model that can work the only way it works right now is they take taxpayer
03:29:37.120dollars which in canada unfortunately is debt they give it away to their favorite media
03:29:41.760organizations to stay in line then they spend taxpayer dollars debt on huge advertising budgets
03:29:48.960that get given to the same legacy media as another form of funding that also re-endorses government
03:29:54.080messages to their own citizens through advertising revenue and then if that doesn't work that the two
03:30:00.400carrots don't work the stick is we're not going to give you access to the government the stories you
03:30:04.480want to write about us unless you stay in line you do the wrong thing you don't get to talk to
03:30:08.480to the minister. And that's the quid pro quo. And that model is not only fading because it's not
03:30:15.600interesting because it leads to boring media that doesn't question all the narratives that people
03:30:19.640actually want to see questioned. It's also failing because it's unethical. It's wrong. It doesn't
03:30:24.760work. It doesn't respond to where people want to go. And we know this happens. Like we have so many
03:30:29.240examples of this, but one that always kind of stands out. So right after the trucker convoy,
03:30:34.420suddenly the entire narrative switched to everyone had to support Ukraine in this war
03:30:39.220with Russia. And regardless of views on that, Chrysia Freeland came out and she is a Ukrainian
03:30:45.420nationalist, like incredibly pro-Ukraine. And someone sent me a picture of her carrying a scarf
03:30:52.100that was basically considered to specifically like people in the Polish community to be like
03:30:58.840a Nazi scarf. It was like a scarf from the party that had collaborated with the Nazis back in World
03:31:04.180War Two. So anyway, we were reporting on it. And basically, the entire legacy media, instead of
03:31:10.700reporting on what we had exposed, sort of reporting like attacking us. And it was like, it was it was
03:31:16.440so coordinated. And it was so strange, right? The one outlet that didn't do that was, I believe it
03:31:23.640was iPolitics. And it was actually the article that was written was by Rachel Emanuel back when
03:31:29.680she still worked in the legacy media and she kind of painted a much fairer picture and so then
03:31:35.180anyway what happened was that her editor made her take down the piece and changed it and the reason
03:31:40.940was because christia freeland's office had called and basically threatened them and yelled at them
03:31:46.300and said how dare you publish this you better take it down uh you know where your bread is buttered
03:31:51.660more or less and so they changed it uh rachel emmanuel quit out of uh like principle like
03:31:57.760principle exactly because it was like how can you just kate like the government had a narrative
03:32:02.640you can't go against it end of story and she kind of like saw the inside of like you know how the
03:32:07.920sausages made it and turned her against um legacy media but that's that's kind of like a regular
03:32:12.800occurrence it's like you will repeat the narrative or there will be consequences and ottawa is a
03:32:18.960pretty small town and you know if you lose access you kind of lose your bloodline right like if
03:32:24.400you're a journalist you need access you need to kind of keep people happy appease them and they
03:32:28.400use the liberals use that they've weaponized it they've kind of professionalized weaponization
03:32:33.280through the funding and through all these other measures and so as much as some of these
03:32:36.800reporters may pretend to be independent maybe at one point they were um you know over time
03:32:42.560over the last seven eight years of the trudeau government playing this game you know it's so
03:32:47.760clear they have them under the thumb okay uh we have this clip uh that kian and sheila were
03:32:52.400referencing earlier so this is david menzies from the rebel and he is outside the leaders debate
03:32:59.600and you can see caught on tape terry gillian who is like they like they said the lead media
03:33:06.400advance person for prime minister just uh mark carney had previously been that role for
03:33:11.680or Justin Trudeau, lashes out and gets violent.
03:34:39.220And I don't know, what did you think of that, David?
03:34:43.860Well, you know, I think in like, on principle,
03:34:47.120I don't like it too much when journalists
03:34:49.400make themselves the center of the story.
03:34:51.680You know, I think, and I think some of this
03:34:54.700sort of a tempest in a teapot. But what I think it's evidence of is regime media is starting to
03:35:01.580lose its hold. And all of the anger and fury underlying some of the actions that are taking
03:35:07.980place multiple different ways is based on this. I think the desire to go after the debate
03:35:15.080commissioner and others is because they sense they're losing control. They deserve to. One of
03:35:22.080the effects if you look back at one of the points you're referencing with christia freeland you know
03:35:27.900i wrote an article that the national post agreed to post once i provided in triplicate all of the
03:35:33.280source material for it which was christia freeland our soft on terror deputy prime minister and i
03:35:38.680pointed out that she was at the heart of the decision to pay off omer cotter the um the
03:35:43.520terrorist who had who had um you know murdered a uh u.s army medic and uh grievously injured
03:35:50.180another one um whose life was saved by them and then this um they decided to go in an extra
03:35:56.300judicial process to pay this guy because she was at the heart of that but that wasn't reported
03:36:00.680by people and i was stunned by that and then um she was also she'd made the decision to use fin
03:36:06.880track terror tracking legislation to shut down the the businesses and freeze the bank accounts
03:36:13.080of canadian citizens total violation of civil rights found to be so by the courts of course
03:36:17.940afterwards and the thing that had had prompted me to finally write it because i'm not a journalist
03:36:23.560of course you know i'm somebody but i you know i do a lot overseas i've got some good friends
03:36:29.120and security business and i was stunned that we had still allowed the iranian revolutionary guard
03:36:33.720corps to operate in canada i could not believe that was still happening and and it was actually
03:36:39.800david menzies we just saw in that clip with his white hat was pushed up against a wall and then
03:36:45.580arrested uh when he was he had the temerity to ask christian freeland and that was the final straw
03:36:50.920for me so for me that was strike three so i finally put you know i sat down i typed it out
03:36:56.320i found all the reference points found the legal documentation found the court cases and the the
03:37:01.840national post said this is this is a big deal what you're saying here you've got to justify
03:37:05.680to justify it they were great about it they printed it and she lost her mind her office lost her mind
03:37:11.480but she was frozen in place. She was not allowed to leave. She didn't attend question period for
03:37:17.620two weeks after that. They were scared senseless that this Omar Khadr case was going to be asked
03:37:22.900about. I'd done the work. I'd phoned lawyers that were involved at the time in the Conservative
03:37:26.260Party previously. And here's the thing that I found so interesting. So I am not a journalist.
03:37:31.580I'm a guy that had a laptop. And I was furious after the IRGC thing. I'm like, this is unconscionable.
03:37:37.300This is the world's worst terrorist supporters. I knew they were sponsoring Hamas, Hezbollah, the Houthis, because I travel a lot internationally and engaged on some of those issues.
03:37:46.600the fact that Canada is a G7 was permitting this to happen and the same person permitting that to
03:37:52.040happen and refusing to tell Canadians why she was permitting it to happen. And I knew from some of
03:37:58.680my American security buddies that Canada was the worst on enforcing any rules against criminal
03:38:03.760and terror syndicates and their money laundering operations, including direct IRGC operations in
03:38:08.460Toronto that were allowed to go on. Right. So I was like, I'd had it. So I was calling that out.
03:38:14.080and and and it just occurred to me where is our media on this stuff this woman is our deputy
03:38:21.900prime minister she's effectively financially illiterate right she did not know the difference
03:38:26.720between net and gross debt she kept repeating the wrong facts about g7 and our net debt to gdp which
03:38:31.920is a senseless fact it makes right no difference to our actual and it never included subsovereign
03:38:36.400debt too that always bothered me no never subsovereign it included a discount for all of
03:38:40.860our pensions which is extraordinarily large part of you know the whole thing was just fraudulent
03:38:46.000from the get-go was a talking point she was probably given that she could use she's somebody
03:38:49.980that studied slavonic studies which i think eight people do and and sort of made her name in that
03:38:55.240stuff which is fine connected to her ukrainian heritage which is fine and actually her first
03:39:01.220books that she wrote i really liked elements of that and her discussion of the sort of post-soviet
03:39:05.660at Russia. But here's somebody who was getting away with something that was absolutely unconscionable,
03:39:11.360soft fascism, live. The world was watching Canada turn into a place they couldn't believe
03:39:17.800with the freezing of people's citizens' bank accounts. It should never have happened.
03:39:22.300It's still happening. It happened to Megan Murphy this week. She said that the government
03:39:26.400said to freeze her bank account, Vancity, and it was the day she got named as a candidate.
03:39:32.540Sorry to interrupt you. You know, it's interesting that you said that she got debt and gross mixed up. Today in the debate, I just remembered that Mark Carney was talking about the keystone. I think he meant to say Northern Gateway, but he repeated it twice that the Canadians own keystone, which that's not.
03:39:50.700I think it's on his mind. We will hopefully soon. I'm glad he's thinking that. You know, if you adopt enough conservative policies, you probably start to mix up which ones are ours and which ones are theirs.
03:40:00.340you know yeah maybe okay i think he's probably gonna back keystone soon i i want to go back to
03:40:05.380this clip because we do have this other angle um of this confrontation with david menzies outside
03:40:10.900the liberal uh outside the leadership debate with this liberal staffer so if we can play that now
03:41:51.180And there you have their lead media person getting violent.
03:41:57.400I would describe that as violent with the press.
03:42:01.400I don't think things are going well for Team Liberal.
03:42:04.720I think the wheels have come off that campaign.
03:42:07.220I think that the lead that they enjoyed is running out.
03:42:10.780they know that they have a lousy candidate and they're just hoping and praying that they can run
03:42:15.280out the clock and that Canadians won't notice. I think that the reason that they had these scrums
03:42:20.540cancelled is because they couldn't risk another night that went as badly for Mark Carney as last
03:42:26.340night. They couldn't risk more of the spiral clips going all over social media showing Mark Carney
03:42:32.220totally incapable of answering difficult questions or answering questions that he wasn't previously
03:42:37.440prepared for, and that, you know, they're panicking. Yeah, well, I think the interesting
03:42:43.660thing in tonight's debate, one of the things that I took a note on was, I thought that the narrative
03:42:49.200was going to be Pierre is like Trump, right? That that's what they're going to keep trying to do.
03:42:54.420Pierre's like Trump, Pierre's like Trump, didn't really play out. What was interesting was,
03:42:59.080the narrative became, Mark is like Justin, Mark Carney is like Justin Trudeau, which is different,
03:43:05.340You know, and and I think that their campaign is sort of surprised at the fact and wasn't prepared for the fact that this was going to be the way they take them on, because I think they've been so scripted around.
03:43:18.800I've dealt, you know, I've dealt with a crisis again.
03:43:22.160Mr. Blanchett came out and just said, what have you actually done?
03:43:30.780right and in that sort of inimitable kind of french canadian way where i wasn't sure where
03:43:35.700he was going the first half of his statement that he would finish quite strongly with you know i
03:43:40.200don't i don't see any of this being true and actually was quite kind of telling you know and
03:43:45.320and the point that i think pier drove home is you are no different than justin trudeau and i don't
03:43:51.200see the difference and i could tell it just seemed like mark carney wasn't prepared to you know he
03:43:57.000could have said i am a different person now here's what's interesting you know who set that narrative
03:44:01.260up yeah kian the night before did a great job with a very simple question saying do you you know
03:44:09.180how do you rate just a trio as a publisher and why if it's different is everybody else the same
03:44:13.980and i i think that you know uh juneau news can take a little bit of credit for one of the key
03:44:20.420talking points actually coming out in the debate there's a real symmetry in in that engagement of
03:44:26.640that first question that kian asked and the um and the conversation that took place between mark
03:44:32.480carney and pierre polyeth and i think that it's a very important point which is this is the same
03:44:38.520cast of characters you've changed the front man the lead singer is slightly different but the the
03:44:44.280tone is the same the style is the same the backup band is identical and they're going to bring you
03:44:48.240another four years it's going to be the fourth fourth quarter of uh of these guys i think that
03:44:54.080what his handlers have to be very worried about after the French debate is they're going to lose
03:44:57.860enough seats in Quebec now, where at best they're hoping for a very thin minority government.
03:45:03.480And there's a chance that the Conservatives can take the mantle back on this race. And after
03:45:11.040tonight's debate, it wouldn't surprise me if you started to see Pierre by two or three.
03:45:14.980The problem the Conservatives still have, though, is the efficiency of the distribution of these
03:45:18.660votes. It's always been our problem. And that's going to remain a big problem. And it's going to
03:45:23.660come down to what's going to happen in Ontario in that 905. And it's also going to come down to
03:45:27.840how many, how strong will the base turnout be? And, and the response to the rallies tells me
03:45:35.220it could be strong. And how strong will the motivation of the Liberal Party voter be? In
03:45:42.280other words, when you see these polls, polls measure preferences, but preferences don't mean
03:45:47.660that you're going to go vote in the rain, right? And, and that's a really important distinction.
03:45:52.900So the base has to be fired up. And I think tonight, which we talked about beforehand, Pierre did a good job of saying things in a manner that got his base thinking, that's me he's talking about. I'm tired of the last failed, you know, the last decade of the past 10 years. I'm going to go actually make the time to vote.
03:46:09.260And I think so Mark could have Mark Carney, Prime Minister Carney, could have a lot of tacit support reflected in polls, which are just show me which of these two people you prefer more, which is a preference.
03:46:22.860People can do that in a second and be done with it.
03:46:25.960But actually going out and voting is a different thing.
03:46:27.940And your base has to be really fired up to do it.
03:46:30.540And I think, you know, if the boomers start to fade on Mark Carney, he's losing everything.
03:46:36.200um and uh and that's what i hope happens but we'll see well it's interesting that he just
03:46:42.800seemed like unprepared and you made such a good point that the theme that you would think that
03:46:48.000the liberals would really try to hammer home was this idea that pierre polyev is just like trump
03:46:53.340that's what they have been pushing on social media tonight would be all about and it didn't
03:46:57.120really come out at all and to me i never saw it right there's there's really nothing there there
03:47:01.500like he just just on paper right donald trump is older he's a businessman he's from new york he's
03:47:08.620very brash uh you know he's kind of infamously like a womanizer and is on his third wife um
03:47:15.140and just his style right like it comparing that to uh peer polyev who is younger he's i think he's a
03:47:23.420gen xer um you know he he's it's just like there's just nothing there and so to to make the point
03:47:31.340that they didn't talk about that at all.
03:47:33.780They didn't try to make the connection
03:47:34.980because to any fair Canadian watching,
03:47:37.840it would just sort of fall patently false, in my opinion.
03:47:40.300It works when you don't really know Pierre Polyev
03:47:42.340and you haven't heard him and you haven't seen him
03:47:43.920when you're just like kind of imagining generic conservative.
03:47:47.940But once you get to know him and once you see him on stage,