Juno News - June 16, 2020


Ep. 7 | Maxime Bernier | Compelled conformity, the far-left media, a pause on immigration


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Maxime Bernier joins us for a live webinar hosted by True North and The Toronto Sun's Bill Brooks to discuss the crisis in the wake of the coronavirus lockdown, and what we can learn from it.

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00:00:00.000 hi and welcome to our live event we're very excited to be presenting this event very excited
00:00:12.480 and pleased to be joined by Maxime Bernier also joined by Bill Brooks who is going to
00:00:18.120 be introducing Max in a few moments and I'm Candice Malcolm with True North and also a
00:00:23.520 columnist over at the Toronto Sun so I'll just give a little bit of an overview and
00:00:28.200 introduction of the organizations before we get into the official program of the
00:00:34.200 event let everyone sort of get settled and get comfortable for this what will
00:00:39.660 definitely be an interesting and thought-provoking discussion and
00:00:43.080 conversation so as you might know True North is a digital media organization
00:00:48.900 you can find our work at tnc.news sorry tnc.news and the purpose behind True North
00:00:56.880 is to provide fact-based news and also conservative editorial columns and
00:01:04.140 podcasts so we put out videos every day we have lots and lots of news stories lots
00:01:09.300 of exclusives we had an exclusive story recently out about a poll polling
00:01:15.240 Canadians on immigration data so we do a lot of work like that you can find our
00:01:18.880 work at tnc.news Civitas is a is a nonprofit organization and it's
00:01:26.440 essentially a society where ideas meet it's a group of conservative classical
00:01:32.380 liberal and libertarian people who just like to get together to talk about ideas
00:01:37.180 discuss current affairs we host an annual meeting every year and then we also do
00:01:43.120 these sorts of community events so the event that we're doing tonight was
00:01:47.260 originally supposed to be an in-person event in Montreal but because of the
00:01:52.380 coronavirus and because of the lockdowns we had to cancel it we decided that
00:01:56.500 instead of just permanently cancelling it we would move it to an online format
00:02:00.520 instead which is why we have this event tonight on zoom we did a zoom event a
00:02:06.080 couple of weeks ago with British author Douglas Murray and it went really well so
00:02:10.720 we decided to replicate this and have our friend Maxime Bernier join us so after
00:02:17.080 Maxime gives his remarks we're gonna do a little bit of an interview with myself
00:02:20.500 and then after that we'll open it up to the entire group so you'll be able to
00:02:24.820 ask your questions directly to max without further delay let's let's get to the
00:02:30.640 sort of more interesting formal format of this of this evening and in order to
00:02:36.720 to get to get going I'll pass it over to my Civitas colleague Bill Brooks Bill is
00:02:42.660 the original organizer of this event which was supposed to be in Montreal he
00:02:46.620 is a longtime Civitas member he's also a member of the board and he edits
00:02:51.300 Civitas's journal which is called the civil conversation that goes out to Civitas
00:02:56.940 members so I'll hand it over to you Bill thank you Candice and thanks again to
00:03:04.160 True North for helping us complete this this event and move on with it I'll just
00:03:09.980 give a little history about Max most people know Maxime Bernier but in case
00:03:14.780 you're not familiar with all of Max's work he earned a law degree from the
00:03:20.720 University of Ottawa he's held positions in law finance and banking and was
00:03:26.600 executive vice president at the Montreal Economic Institute for several years in the
00:03:32.400 Harper government he served as minister of industry minister of foreign affairs
00:03:36.300 and minister of state for small business after 2015 the year of infamy for the
00:03:43.620 Conservative Party he was opposition critic for innovation science and economic
00:03:48.720 development as many of you remember in September 2018 Maxime moved on to found the
00:03:56.660 People's Party of Canada since then he's been called many things before the 2019
00:04:04.100 election National Post almost Bill Watson called Max a conservative in a hurry but
00:04:09.460 judged that the PPC the PPC platform was very consistent with conservative
00:04:14.760 principles other people have been less kind after the Liberal victory Toronto Star
00:04:20.060 columnist Douglas Kwan said the PPC was nothing but Maxime Bernier's vanity project
00:04:25.880 not very nice he's been referred to as Mad Max and warmly from the rest West the
00:04:35.500 Albertan from Quebec but despite it all many in the Canadian conservative
00:04:41.280 movement regard Maxime as a man of conviction he risked a safe political
00:04:46.700 career to put forward the ideas he feels would advance liberty and prosperity for
00:04:51.200 Canada and so we're very happy to be with Max tonight and to learn more about
00:04:56.540 these ideas so Max will give you the screen thank you thank you Bill good
00:05:04.200 evening everyone thank you very much Candice and thank you to true north and
00:05:09.620 bill bill Brooks of Civitas Montreal for inviting me tonight so the topic for this
00:05:16.240 webinar is the path to recovery let's start right away with the COVID-19 pandemic
00:05:23.380 and the lockdown I think governments massively overreacted to this crisis with
00:05:30.860 disastrous consequences there was no reason to close down most of the economy the
00:05:38.440 vast majority of these victims as we all know by now are older people with
00:05:45.040 underlying conditions who lived in long-term care centers in Quebec and Ontario this
00:05:52.000 is tragic of course but if you are not not one of these people you had almost no
00:06:00.260 risk of dying and becoming sick and yet millions of Canadians were locked down and
00:06:07.300 millions lost their jobs think about this Quebec with 8.5 million inhabitants
00:06:15.020 had a very strict lockdown it has also one of the highest rates of COVID victims in
00:06:23.120 the world with about 5,000 debt Sweden is a bit is a bit larger than Quebec with
00:06:31.100 a population of 10.2 million it did not lock down its population and did not close
00:06:37.640 its economy it also end up with fewer debt than Quebec at 4,700
00:06:45.020 of course there are many factors that can explain what happened in different
00:06:51.000 countries but having a strict lockdown or no lockdown does not seem to be the
00:06:57.660 determining factor other countries in Asia like South Korea Singapore Taiwan Japan did
00:07:05.780 not impose strict lockdowns and had much better result than Canada instead of
00:07:12.340 telling Canadians that they are racist Trudeau should have closed the border right
00:07:19.480 from the beginning in January grocery stores and pharmacies were considered
00:07:26.100 essential services during the whole lockdown they remained open and people
00:07:32.920 adapted to social distancing measures we could have adapted the same way in other
00:07:40.160 stores and working environments instead of spending hundreds of billions of
00:07:46.640 dollars to support the people who lost their jobs and businesses that were closed we
00:07:53.540 should have spent a fraction of this sum to hire more workers and protect seniors in
00:08:00.200 long-term care centers that's the real source of the crisis in Canada if we had kept the
00:08:09.700 economy open the cost would have been much smarter there is also evidence that the
00:08:16.960 number of people who will die because of suicide depression cancer that was not
00:08:25.020 diagnosed or treated in time and other causes will in the end be greater than the
00:08:32.260 number of people who were saved because of the lockdown there was no rational cost benefit analysis of this whole
00:08:42.580 thing governments overreacted and we will have to live with the consequences for years to come
00:08:50.980 come it's too late to change any of this now of course but there is talk of a
00:08:59.080 second wave of COVID-19 in the fall we must not overreact in the same way we cannot
00:09:07.840 close the economy a second time that would bring a catastrophic economic collapse we
00:09:15.700 need to get back to normal life whether or not there is a second wave or whether or not they
00:09:23.300 find a vaccine or some other treatment which brings me to the state of our economy I spent almost 20
00:09:33.640 years working in the financial sector before going into politics the reason I went into politics
00:09:40.300 was to improve the economy I never imagined we could one day be in a such catastrophic situation there are
00:09:50.860 many things we must do for our economy to recover first as I just said we need to bring every sector
00:09:59.980 back to work and avoid a second lockdown the exceptional spending on support programs has to
00:10:10.300 stop as soon as possible it's completely unsustainable we're just digging a deeper and deeper hole with
00:10:20.620 all this debt now that the pandemic has subsidized subsidy governments in Canada and everywhere are already
00:10:31.260 preparing to spend billions more on stimulus programs to kickstart the economy this is
00:10:40.140 the Keynesian solution but it's wrong government spending can of course artificially stimulate some
00:10:49.420 sectors of the economy in the short term but it creates all kinds of distortions and it brings more
00:10:58.380 problems in the longer term stimulus economics is like a religion now it's supposed to be necessary when
00:11:08.460 you have a recession it also goods when the economy is growing it's good in every situation for
00:11:17.900 established men politicians because it allows them to keep spending more and to buy votes all the time
00:11:27.500 they simply send the bill to future taxpayers government spending is actually not a stimulus but a sedative
00:11:37.900 for the economy when governments spend more they take away resources from the private sector
00:11:45.820 which makes it more difficult for businesses to recover instead of letting the market allocate resources
00:11:55.260 governments choose winners and losers on the basics of ideological and bureaucratic fads
00:12:02.780 of course we need to invest in public infrastructure like roads but we don't need gigantic infrastructure
00:12:13.340 programs with billions wasted on all kinds of unnecessary projects for me the best way to ensure a quick
00:12:22.620 economic recovery is to get the government out of the way we should cut government spending
00:12:30.940 it's more important than ever to get rid of entire programs that bring no benefit at all to the economy
00:12:39.020 and to canadians we can save billions of dollars by eliminating all corporate welfare and i said all just
00:12:50.860 abolish it we can save billions more by eliminating foreign development aid and regional development aid
00:12:58.780 we should defund the cbc reduce equalization payments we must stop federal intrusions in provincial jurisdictions
00:13:11.260 we should review all federal spending that's the only way we can return to a balanced budget anytime soon
00:13:21.260 pay down debt and cut taxes which is the only way of stimulating the economy but that's only part of the answer
00:13:33.660 there is another fundamental issue that nobody is talking about but is even more crucial
00:13:40.700 it's a monetary policy i know most people are not interested in this it's uh complicated it's a borrowing
00:13:52.460 but there won't be a true sustainable economic recovery until we have monetary reform since 1971
00:14:03.740 when president nixon ended the convertibility of the dollar into gold we have had a regime of pure fiat money
00:14:15.180 this means there is no limit to how much money central banks can create out of thin air especially
00:14:23.820 the federal reserve because the u.s dollar is the international reserve currency everybody uses it to pay for
00:14:33.420 international transactions and for them bank their bank reserves but all other central banks including
00:14:41.500 the bank of canada have had similar policies what are the consequences of this fiat money regime
00:14:50.380 excessive money creation creates one bubble after the other we had the dot-com bubble in the 1990s
00:15:01.340 then the housing bubble in the first decade of this century and since then we've had bubbles in the stock
00:15:09.180 market in the bond market and in other sectors every time a bubble bursts governments react with more
00:15:18.460 spending and more spending and central banks lower interest rates and inject money in the economy
00:15:25.820 all sectors are being bailed out this is the keynesian recipe to restart the economy but all it does
00:15:36.620 is keep the boom and bust cycle going interest rates have been kept artificially low for three decades
00:15:45.740 to encourage people businesses and governments to borrow and spend the result is that there has never been
00:15:55.420 so much debt in the history of the world even before the pandemic debts were at the record high levels
00:16:03.980 and now they are astronomically high after each crisis the recovery is weaker than the one before
00:16:13.820 and debt goes up even faster and because that is so high interest rates cannot go back to normal levels
00:16:22.540 because everybody would go bankrupt when you read the articles in the papers about interest rates
00:16:31.180 conventional economists always say that low interest rates are good for the economy
00:16:37.500 the economy but that's not true it allows unprofitable business to survive by borrowing cheap money
00:16:45.820 we have more and more so-called zombie companies that are not creating any wealth they should go bankrupt
00:16:54.940 and be sold or restructured and their resources should be reallocated to other companies
00:17:01.820 because of this growing zombie economy our overall productivity and rate of economic growth go down low interest
00:17:13.420 rates encourage a culture of irresponsible consumerism they reduce consequences for individuals spending
00:17:23.020 beyond their means and encourage spending now instead of saving and planning for the future
00:17:29.020 another consequence of this regime is that it creates and it increases inequalities yes it increases
00:17:38.460 inequalities wealthier people who can buy a house and invest money in financial assets benefit
00:17:46.060 from cheap money and from these bubbles the rest of the population falls behind that's one explanation
00:17:55.500 for the populist reaction in many countries there is nothing new to this phenomenon that crisis have
00:18:05.660 happened several times throughout history every paper currency in history eventually disappeared these
00:18:15.180 experiments cannot last long there is no way all the debt in the world can be repaid that's why central
00:18:24.140 banks are now printing money at record speed and monetize money design design sorry monetizing
00:18:32.460 monetizing government debt the debt will be will be repaid with a devalued currency and we will all
00:18:40.620 suffer the consequences to inflation and a lower standard of living there will also be a wave of defaults
00:18:49.580 and bankruptcies this monetary system is totally unstable it must be replaced by a system based on sound
00:19:00.140 money a system where central banks cannot print infinite amounts of currency found the government debt and
00:19:09.100 keep zombies alive a system where interest rates are set by the supply of and the demand for real savings and
00:19:19.180 not subject to constant manipulation by bureaucrats there is no other way to restore sustainable growth and
00:19:28.940 ensure our long-term prosperity as well as social and political stability perhaps the current fiat money
00:19:37.900 regime will survive a few more years and we will go through another boom bust cycle but at some point it will
00:19:47.580 inevitably crash the dollar will be replaced by something else as the international reserve currency
00:19:56.060 i believe this new regime will bring back some kind of gold standard central banks around the world have
00:20:05.500 been accumulating gold for many years as reserve assets to back their currencies those of china and russia
00:20:14.940 especially because they have a geopolitical interest in ending the american dollar's status status as the
00:20:23.100 international reserve currency canada needs to prepare for this coming monetary revolution we are the only major
00:20:33.580 economy with no gold reserves there they were also by previous governments that put us in a very vulnerable
00:20:44.060 situation more canadians need to be aware of this it must once again be part of our political debates
00:20:53.820 i think i'm the only public figure in canada who talks about this issue as you will recall i was at the last
00:21:03.340 election i was also the only leader who talked about lower immigration and multiculturalism the only leader who
00:21:11.900 questions climate change alarmism the only leader who offered policies about reforming equalization
00:21:20.220 and the incorporate welfare reforming health care defunding the cbc opposing the un globalist agenda and
00:21:29.740 several other issues that should be at the forefront of our political debates many of these ideas are popular
00:21:39.180 among Canadians even though they are considered politically incorrect by the leftist establishment
00:21:47.820 but discussing controversial issues and pushing the boundaries of acceptable discourse is absolutely
00:21:56.780 necessary this strategy may not win elections in the short term i realistically don't expect to be
00:22:06.620 prime minister after the next election what i absolutely want is to shift the overtone window to change the
00:22:15.340 climate of opinion in fact that's the only kind of climate change i care about it will be easier once
00:22:24.060 i'm back in parliament with a team of people's party nps ready to fight for the ideas we believe in
00:22:30.940 you don't necessarily need to form government to change the way canada is governed the reform party had a huge
00:22:40.780 influence on the christian government's economic reforms in the 1990s the policies advocated for decades
00:22:49.980 by the greens and the ndp are now being implemented by the trudeau government conversely if you are elected
00:22:59.900 without a clear mandate and without some kind of widespread ideological support you won't achieve
00:23:07.900 anything and i'm sorry to have to say this but that's exactly what happened to the government i was
00:23:16.860 part of we did not adopt any major reform that would have substantially moved canada in a conservative
00:23:26.060 direction what is the legacy of the harper government six months after trudeau's election it was almost all
00:23:36.780 gone nothing remains today the conservative party believes it can only get elected by tendering to every
00:23:46.460 group and promising targeted tax credits to enough voters not by convincing the electorate that it has
00:23:55.980 the best conservative policies to govern the country but rather by buying votes
00:24:03.660 whether oto or mckay is selected as leader it will make no difference they either won't win the next
00:24:13.180 election or if they win they will only tinker with the status quo the conservative establishment
00:24:21.980 government is interested only in one thing power i have absolutely no interest in their brand of politics
00:24:32.620 anymore as principled conservatives classical liberals libertarians nationalists and populists
00:24:43.340 they have no choice but to defend our ideas with passion and conviction if we want them to debate
00:24:53.180 to win the debates and eventually to serve as the basis for government decision
00:24:59.740 we should all be grateful that there are organizations like civitas and true north that are devoted to spreading these ideas
00:25:09.500 thank you again for what you do and for inviting me to have this discussion with you today thank you
00:25:17.740 max thank you so much for those remarks a lot of really thought-provoking ideas that you discussed there
00:25:22.540 i wanted to start by asking you um a little bit more about the idea behind you you talked about how
00:25:30.220 stimulus has all these sort of unintended consequences that hurt the environment or sorry hurt the economic
00:25:35.260 um outcome it can hurt the environment also that's that's fair enough one of the questions i had for
00:25:41.180 you though so it was the government that led the decision to shut down the economy because of the
00:25:46.860 coronavirus so if you're a business owner or if you're a worker who was unemployed your business was
00:25:51.980 destroyed because of a government mandated program do you think in that case there is sort of a moral
00:25:59.260 reasoning justification behind providing bailouts or i don't know what you'd call them bailouts or stimulus
00:26:06.700 or basically reimbursement do you think in that case it was justified that the government you know
00:26:12.860 went billions of dollars into debt to to give that money to canadians yes maybe in the beginning of the
00:26:20.140 lockdown because as you remember candace in the beginning the reason for the lockdown was to be 0.73
00:26:27.100 sure that our emergency room in hospital would be able to deal with the situation and so i think the
00:26:33.980 population population was in board at that time with that decision so they did the lockdown but after a
00:26:40.940 couple of days and week we understand that you know they were successful and we didn't have any
00:26:47.900 uh emergency that was not able to deal with the situation but the lockdown was prolonged for a
00:26:54.620 long time and i think that's why that's why you know we have to spend all these billion billion of
00:27:01.100 dollars on the program for businesses and people so the solution in the beginning yes may be a very short
00:27:08.620 lockdown and and you can help people that will be affected or would have been affected by that but at the
00:27:16.060 end that's why i said we don't need a lockdown next time because now the new goal for the the government
00:27:22.140 the federal government and provincial government is to stop the propagation of the virus but that was
00:27:29.100 not the goal in the beginning and they are telling us right now we may have a second wave i don't want
00:27:34.540 another lockdown and we don't have to pay for that so the cost is huge because we have a so long lockdown
00:27:41.340 and that was not necessary absolutely i had a question about when you were talking about monetary
00:27:47.660 policy as well you sort of talked about how we moved away from the gold standard this is obviously
00:27:52.060 not a canadian problem this is a sort of western democracy global problem but you you said that the
00:27:57.980 the solution was more of a return to a currency that's tied to something like some kind of precious
00:28:05.340 metal or resource but what do you make of the sort of rise of cryptocurrency and uh blockchain technology
00:28:13.100 that allows for these sort of new competing online currencies do you think that that could potentially
00:28:17.420 be something that could save us from the sort of catastrophe picture that you that you painted there
00:28:22.700 i don't think so you know uh goal has always been the the real money in the 19th century actually
00:28:32.140 we had a kind of a gold standard and that was one of the most prosperous uh era of um the 19th century
00:28:42.380 was a very prosperous era at that time and so uh yes i know that there's other kind of currency and uh
00:28:49.740 but uh i think that uh we must uh go back to the gold standard that we had at that time
00:28:55.020 but you're right candace to say that we cannot take that decision alone uh it must be you know an
00:29:00.940 international convention and international meeting and they will have to find a new kind of gold standard
00:29:08.620 but what we can do what we can do alone instead right now the bank of canada uh the bank of canada
00:29:16.140 has um uh inflation target of two percent so they want inflation two percent every year but two percent
00:29:25.260 inflation every year it's a lot of inflation why two percent inflation target is good but not 20 percent
00:29:32.060 inflation target you know we can have an agreement with the bank of canada on a zero percent inflation
00:29:39.100 target so like that everybody will keep their purchasing power and you know we inflation is not
00:29:45.820 good inflation is a hidden tax and an unfair tax so i prefer to have real tax than having the same amount
00:29:54.300 of money in my pockets but i cannot buy the same amount of good and services because of inflation
00:30:00.620 so we can start that uh before going to a gold standard in canada by asking the bank of canada to
00:30:07.740 have a zero percent inflation target so like that canadians will keep their purchasing power
00:30:14.140 okay i i feel like these concerns and alarms over these issues sound money i've been hearing them you
00:30:20.620 know for for a long time a decade at least and there doesn't really ever seem to be that kind of
00:30:25.740 day of reckoning that that people warn about so you know after the last recession 2007 2008 there
00:30:31.580 was a lot of government stimulus a lot of government spending um there was big concerns over a debt
00:30:36.780 cliff and and whether the united states was going to run out of money and then that sort of issue
00:30:41.340 was solved and passed and there doesn't ever really seem to be that that day of reckoning it's hard to
00:30:46.460 understand how that these issues impact everyday people and how it affects you know workers and
00:30:52.940 business owners i know you did describe it a little bit in your remarks about how um you know this could
00:30:58.140 lead to to defaults and and and inflation that kind of thing but i wonder if you could kind of explain
00:31:03.740 a little further about how these bad monetary policies impact everyday people the question that
00:31:11.660 uh people are asking it's uh where the money is coming from you know every day the trudeau government
00:31:19.180 and justin trudeau was before the news in a press conference and every day he had a new announcement
00:31:27.260 and he was giving more money so at the end where the money is coming from that's why the uh monetary
00:31:34.060 policy it's important uh you know the trudeau government can have a huge deficit right now
00:31:40.620 because the bank of canada is buying a canadian bond and that's that's not the market so you can
00:31:49.020 look at the balance sheet of the bank of canada it may be look technical but if you look at the balance
00:31:55.340 sheet the bank of canada increase money supply by 350 billion dollars since the beginning of the crisis
00:32:04.460 they created money out of thin air to what to buy canadian bonds and also bonds from the uh newfoundland
00:32:13.740 and saskatchewan because the market was not there people didn't want to buy bonds in newfoundland because
00:32:20.620 it's almost newfoundland is almost bankrupt so that was the bank of canada they print money they buy
00:32:26.540 bonds but at the end they created money and that will in the short term create inflation so i understand
00:32:34.060 that people may not understand all the details of monetary policies but at the end when a bank is
00:32:40.620 creating money and and buy bonds and they are they were buying also securities so the fed is doing that
00:32:47.980 that that's that's where the money is coming from it's coming from the bank of canada buying canadian
00:32:53.740 bonds instead of the free market yes our canadian's bond are still sold in a free market but the bank
00:33:00.460 of canada is there to keep the interest rate very low for the government but at the end we'll have to pay
00:33:06.220 for that that's why i said in my remarks that we may have you know bankruptcies we may have inflation
00:33:14.060 that will be uh that would be the way people will pay for all that and that's a bad news
00:33:20.300 absolutely we know that uh canada's debt is now nearing a trillion dollars if it hasn't
00:33:25.340 gotten there already and and just this year alone we're gonna have a deficit that government won't
00:33:30.060 even give a fiscal update because they say they just have no idea uh what you know the numbers are
00:33:35.100 changing uh probably because of trudeau's daily uh you know spending giveaway announcements that he gives
00:33:40.620 but uh the coronavirus has really had a huge impact on our society maxim i mean it's it's hard
00:33:46.940 to understate the the sort of substantial changes that we've under undergone in the last few months
00:33:52.140 uh i don't think anything like this has happened in at least 75 years do you think that there will be
00:33:59.100 a return to normal do you think we'll go back to what life was like in january february uh of 2020 or do
00:34:06.140 you think that the world is just sort of substantially changing we're not gonna really go back to that
00:34:10.940 new normal yes that's a good question some people are saying you know it won't come we won't to live
00:34:18.300 like we did before the corona virus we'll have the before corona virus and after corona virus but i don't
00:34:24.620 believe that i don't believe that you know uh people will see that you know it's not the end of the world
00:34:31.340 and you know we can do a lot of things to protect people but i think you know business as usual will
00:34:38.940 come back it will come back and um people you know what i didn't like with the corona virus is that
00:34:45.020 the government the trudeau government and other government are looking at the population like
00:34:50.620 children and telling them what to do and and and the opposition in canada and in some provinces also
00:34:58.620 the opposition is not there just remember can this in the beginning of all that trudeau asked for
00:35:04.380 being a dictator for six months and the conservative the liberal the conservative the ndp and the bloc said
00:35:10.460 okay you can govern with uh order order and council we told the parliament you know when you have a crisis
00:35:18.140 it's important to have debates that's the time what is when it's very important to have debates in the
00:35:23.580 house so i think you know the the life will come will come back like we had before and i don't think
00:35:30.300 that we must have before corona virus and after corona virus no i think people understand what happened
00:35:37.420 and um and the life will return to normal uh as soon as possible well let's hope so about that trudeau's
00:35:45.500 sort of style and i think we've seen it from some other political provincial leaders is sort of been to
00:35:50.300 defer to experts so you know we're just going to rely on this expert class of people who who have
00:35:55.100 information that we don't and we should always trust them the problem of course maxime is that
00:35:59.180 when you deal with organizations like the world health organization they don't seem to be very
00:36:03.180 transparent seem to be a little bit corrupt and perhaps you know too closely aligned with countries 0.99
00:36:09.100 like china than is for comfort you also have flip-flopping so we were told that closing the border
00:36:15.900 wouldn't do anything and that it was discriminatory and then all of a sudden we were told the border
00:36:20.700 was closed we were told not to wear masks because it was doing more harm and good and then we were
00:36:24.940 told to wear masks and and and then we were told that protesting was was was deeply evil that going out
00:36:31.020 and protesting was reckless and putting putting everyone's life in danger and then all of a sudden
00:36:35.260 there was a protest that the that the sort of experts in the media approved of and all of a sudden
00:36:40.540 the guidelines completely changed do you think that there's some pitfalls to the style that uh
00:36:45.980 deferring to so-called experts and and do you think there could potentially be a backlash a societal
00:36:52.060 backlash against it well i think the population can understand what happened right now and actually you
00:36:59.180 know all these uh uh what trudeau and uh the expert were saying you know people that's why i think
00:37:08.300 people are looking for the news uh with you with true north and with other uh channel than the
00:37:14.460 traditional news but uh you know when you when you take a decision based on expert we there's
00:37:22.860 expert on a lot of subject and but the problem is the trudeau government didn't have the courage to
00:37:29.020 say you know it's the uh uh it's the uh word uh organization were the health organization that he
00:37:37.020 was listening and um and they like you just said they are not credible so there's a lot of experts
00:37:43.740 and now people can have their news on other experts that are saying you know all these contradiction you
00:37:49.260 just name all of these contradiction at the end you know people will judge will judge the government
00:37:55.500 and will judge the decision that the government were taking during that crisis and that's why i think
00:38:00.940 uh we will be able to uh come back to a real life without any mask and anything like that but the
00:38:07.100 worst of that is the spending and and and they created a huge emergency a huge crisis and for me
00:38:17.100 it it was like a reason to spend money to buy votes to do gave money to you know the students and
00:38:25.420 and every every group in the society that's why i said in my speech they are pandering they are
00:38:32.620 pandering to every individual every group in the society and that's not the way we are doing politics
00:38:38.780 you know we're doing politics for all canadians and we are putting this country first but trudeau was
00:38:44.060 doing politics just to try to please everybody and at the end to be re-elected so that's a good point
00:38:51.500 uh just about your sort of political stances that you've taken you were one of the only
00:38:57.100 political probably the only politician canada um that was willing to have difficult discussions when
00:39:02.380 it came to immigration and integration uh i think that you know your criticisms were always measured
00:39:08.620 and fair but obviously you know there's a disconnect max between the sort of political consensus in canada
00:39:15.820 and public opinion i mentioned at the beginning during my intro that true north just recently released
00:39:20.620 a report we had a poll a comprehensive poll of canadians a scientific poll um that found that
00:39:26.380 76 of canadians wanted a total pause on immigration that included 67 of people who voted liberal in the
00:39:33.740 last election and 89 of people who voted conservative it was unanimous across the board max um majorities
00:39:41.740 of every age group uh language group uh gender everything um i i haven't seen a consensus like that
00:39:48.780 for immigration a long time and yet you know the political parties and the media and the experts
00:39:53.180 are all on the other side of that issue so i i i just want to want to know what your thoughts are on
00:39:58.620 that on that poll that we released and why there's such this big disconnect between what canadians
00:40:03.820 uh believe and what they want um and what the politicians and the experts sort of say is is good for us
00:40:10.060 i think the politicians the conservative or the liberals or the ndp but they're they're afraid of the
00:40:16.460 uh mainstream media just remember what happened to me during the last election uh you know i said that
00:40:23.500 we must have fewer immigrants and i said between one on good and 150 000 a year and so but some people 1.00
00:40:32.460 were were saying that i was i was a racist because of that and but just because having a discussion on
00:40:39.340 immigration and i think politicians are afraid are afraid of the elites in the media and i'm very
00:40:47.020 pleased with what i saw and your polling and your data but i'm not surprised also you know the population
00:40:53.580 is there we need to work for canadians first and that's why i said i think i said that just in the
00:40:59.740 beginning of the crisis that we must have a moratorium on immigration until you know the unemployment rate
00:41:06.700 will be lower than that actually it's about 12 percent right now and canadian understand that they
00:41:13.100 want their politician to have policies that would be good for them and that's okay but the answer of
00:41:19.820 your question why are the political parties and precisely the conservative uh don't have a policy like
00:41:27.260 that because they don't have any courage they don't want to have that debate they they don't have any
00:41:33.340 conviction but we are in politics we at the ppc to speak about these issues or they're so important
00:41:40.380 for the future of our country and the conservative are doing polling and maybe now they will see your
00:41:46.540 poll and maybe they will change a position on that we'll see what will happen but we are not doing
00:41:53.660 politics looking at polling you know a poll and and and survey we are doing politics by conviction
00:42:01.100 and our goal is to have more people and convince more people that we have the best ideas for a
00:42:09.260 limited government in ottawa and for a freer and more prosperous country great thanks for that i have
00:42:16.300 one more question then we'll open up i know we have a bunch of people waiting to ask you their questions
00:42:21.100 both in the in the chat and also attendees have put their hands up but you talk about courage max and you
00:42:26.620 talk about how politicians are afraid of the media well it doesn't seem like it's just politicians that
00:42:32.220 that are uh you know being maligned and attacked like you were in the last election uh just in the
00:42:36.860 past week we saw rex murphy a beloved uh commentator in canada get uh ridiculed and attacked just for
00:42:43.660 writing a column just simply saying that canada is not a country that's overwhelmingly defined by racism um
00:42:50.220 you know a pretty agreeable uh statement there but somehow that's now you know off limits and it was
00:42:56.220 incredibly brave of rex to even put that forward we saw stockwell day the former leader of the
00:43:01.260 conservative canadian alliance uh get attacked online and forced to resign from his board positions
00:43:07.260 because he said that there was no systemic racism in canada which used to be you know a pretty mainstream
00:43:12.540 idea now apparently it's off limits and even just uh more recently uh cbc host when wendy
00:43:19.420 messley uh was cancelled and fired um because of a word that she supposedly said in a closed door 0.60
00:43:25.420 meeting over at the cbc now max i know there's no love lost between you and wendy messley she hasn't
00:43:31.500 exactly been fair and kind to you in the past however i just want to know what your what your
00:43:36.540 thoughts are on cancel culture and this um sudden rush to judge and and to allow a mob of of people
00:43:44.060 mostly you know young sort of woke uh people to to lead our society and to make decisions about who
00:43:51.660 can and cannot have a platform in this country yeah it is it is sad it is sad what happened to stockwell
00:43:59.020 day and uh to rex murphy also you know these people the radical leftists and um they they they are right
00:44:10.700 now and it's uh it's bad to say that it's sad to say that they are right now winning the debate and
00:44:17.260 they are choosing the words that we can use and cannot use but we not we must not go there and that's
00:44:24.300 why i said you know there's no systemic racism in canada uh we must be proud we must be proud of our
00:44:31.020 history and yes you can have some discrimination sometime but at individual level these people want to
00:44:39.660 put us always in a group black versus white and so so they are doing identity politics and for me i'm
00:44:49.740 not doing that and i'm not politically correct and i think that's important but that's sad that today
00:44:56.540 you know a professor in university you don't have any debates in university right now and that must be
00:45:05.980 the place where you can have debates of ideas but you don't have that right now so it is the society
00:45:13.180 that we know right now must change and that's why you must be out there we must be out there to express
00:45:19.100 what we believe in and all these uh all what happened with uh the uh george floyd uh uh it's it's it's
00:45:28.860 it's a it's a crime and these people will face the full extent of the law and that's okay and i
00:45:36.460 understand that you know people must leave some racist um uh behavior uh against them and but we
00:45:47.900 but that's not the society at all and that's not the the systemic society we're we're the global society
00:45:55.820 we're not there's no global or systemic racism in this country and um and it's bad that we you
00:46:03.580 cannot say that anymore i know that dog ford said it and a couple of seconds after that he said no no
00:46:10.460 sorry yes there is systemic racism in canada so and i know that france what ago uh said that there
00:46:17.660 is no systemic racism in this country and you know he had all the leftists against him so we need
00:46:25.180 to be out there and to fight this uh this uh uh leftist radical uh uh way of life and culture that's
00:46:34.380 why it's a culture war right now and i'm it's too bad that we're not a lot out there to fight
00:46:41.500 well it's sort of see it feels a little bit like conservatives are losing the culture war just because
00:46:46.780 you know like you said the idea that you can't even say canada is not systemically racist anymore
00:46:50.700 without getting so much pushback ideas that used to be on the fringe far left are now mainstream and
00:46:56.140 i'm talking about the idea of defunding the police um which which which you know it used to even two
00:47:03.260 weeks ago would have been considered a very fringe far left idea now it's on the front page of the
00:47:08.060 national post and they're promoting it just the same as the toronto star is and a lot of local
00:47:13.500 you know governments are considering it cutting funding or defunding police entirely uh how do you
00:47:19.900 how do you think we can combat these ideas max and what do you think specifically about that one about
00:47:23.740 defunding the police you know we must do the opposite we must give them all the resources that
00:47:30.380 they need because law and order it's the basis of our society if you don't have order law and order you
00:47:38.700 won't be able to live in a society so yes the police and uh they must have the tools that they need uh and
00:47:49.020 uh i i don't buy that and i'm against that 100 percent uh you know it's um you we are in a society
00:47:57.500 and we must put money where it's very important for the society and living in a peaceful society and
00:48:05.740 with law and order for me that's that's the most important absolutely all right max let's uh let's
00:48:12.060 open the conversation up a little bit looks like we have a convert a question here from mark p so let's
00:48:17.980 let's start with mark p and if anyone from the montreal event would like to ask a question please
00:48:22.620 feel free to raise your hand so my question uh one justin trudeau has been talking about a mandatory
00:48:29.820 vaccine i think you're probably against it but i wanted to ask that and the other one is how do you
00:48:37.820 propose to fight this you were saying that it looks candace you were saying that it looks like
00:48:42.380 uh the left is winning the culture war and conservatives are losing but the left gets to
00:48:47.740 have groups like antifa operate with impunity whereas we we being conservatives or anybody who
00:48:54.940 tries to organize that it doesn't agree with antifa uh get protests shut down people threaten the venues
00:49:02.140 people so it's not an honest win we don't play by their rules and they clearly don't play by ours
00:49:08.380 so how do we meaningfully engage and win or or at least play on the same ball field right yeah
00:49:18.620 so thanks mark first uh antifa i said that antifa must be on the list of the terrorist organization
00:49:26.300 in canada so um that that's important uh they want to impose their their vision of the society and
00:49:34.460 they're they're communists and they they don't want order they don't want peace and that's why they
00:49:40.300 must be on the list of the of terrorist organization in our country second yes i'm against the uh uh having
00:49:49.260 the uh the um uh vaccine yeah uh mandatory vaccine i'm against that for sure you are right and
00:50:00.300 answering the question about winning the cultural war you need to start somewhere and you know i'm
00:50:07.660 doing that other people are doing that also but you know i believe in the silent majority in our country
00:50:16.060 and i believe that people don't like where they're seeing right now and so you must not be afraid to speak
00:50:24.700 about what you believe and that's what i'm doing but the conservative and the andrew share and other
00:50:31.980 conservative leaders we don't we don't see them they don't speak they're afraid and it's too bad but
00:50:39.340 more people will be out there to speak about what they believe uh the better will be for for everybody
00:50:45.340 and i believe that you know we will win that war we will win that war because we have the best
00:50:52.220 arguments freedom freedom of speech uh equality equality of opportunity everybody must be equal
00:51:00.380 before the law and so you know we uh we believe in the western civilization values so we must be out there
00:51:08.780 and be proud and that's why i said also you know uh and always i will always fight for freedom and equality in our country
00:51:21.100 but i'm not going to express uh shame for for crimes that i did not commit that's important and i i won't
00:51:32.060 uh feel guilt because of my color of the color of my skin or because of because of my gender that's
00:51:40.220 important so we must be out there and more people would be out there and speak about uh about our belief
00:51:47.420 about what we believe in the better would be for us and for the society but you need to start you need
00:51:54.060 you need not to be afraid and and you need courage like i said in the beginning
00:52:02.060 uh great thank you mark uh hopefully you felt like your question was answered there we'll we'll
00:52:07.420 move on to the next question arena it's uh you're up next if we can get you up and unmuted and on
00:52:15.900 camera you can go ahead and ask your question to maxime uh bonsoir monsieur bernier bonsoir
00:52:25.100 je voudrais bien de pratiquer mon français mais je vais parler en anglais parfait c'est correct
00:52:33.180 okay so i live in ontario and my question is about election reform in canada i would like to know
00:52:42.940 your opinion about it and from my experience and to my shame first time um when um trudeau was elected
00:52:55.500 i voted for him just because he promised this reform this past election monsieur bernier i voted for your
00:53:03.740 party i put signs on my loan and um from now on moving forward i will vote only based on my consciousness
00:53:16.860 and uh the fact that i support platform of people that i voted i'm voting for so um i tried to ask other
00:53:27.660 people about your past um opinions uh on this subject and i was told that when you were uh a conservative
00:53:37.660 um member member uh you did not support electoral reform in canada thank you yes you're right arena
00:53:47.900 when i was a conservative and now you know i don't think we need electoral reform in this country
00:53:53.900 we we have a lot of reforms to do for having a freer and a more prosperous country and you know i'm too
00:54:01.980 busy to work for the the reform that will have a real impact on your life um and if you want to have
00:54:09.500 an electoral reform you'll need to reopen the constitution and i'm always saying that you know
00:54:17.180 we must respect the constitution and if you reopen the constitution that will be huge debate and so
00:54:25.660 the most important look at our platform different ideas and our philosophy individual freedom personal
00:54:32.540 responsibility respect and fairness so that's why we don't have the people's party of canada in our
00:54:39.340 platform uh a reform for the electoral an electoral reform um uh it may be we don't have the best system
00:54:48.860 i agree with that but i don't want to spend time to change the electoral uh the way that we are elect
00:54:56.300 uh people and i i think that it can be at our advantage if we change that uh if we have a system
00:55:04.620 with uh different than this one based on representation uh based on a system maybe like in u.s or in france
00:55:14.380 it can be easier for for me and for us at the people's party to have candidates being elected but it's okay
00:55:22.540 we are playing the game and we have this this system and that's not the best one but um we will play
00:55:29.900 inside that system and i don't want to change the system i want to be sure that people will understand
00:55:37.580 that we have very very important reform for you to have more freedom more of your money in your pockets
00:55:44.140 that this government and the future government will respect canadians will work for canadians and
00:55:50.140 for our country and not for the un and not for the world health organization working for canadians
00:55:58.060 and that's the part of that's why we are putting canadian first but we still have a lot of reform to
00:56:03.500 do to achieve our goals so actually we won't have anything on the electoral reform arena that's unfortunate
00:56:13.900 because um i don't see um a possibility at the moment uh for my vote to be you know like
00:56:25.900 uh validated through voting uh my my choice to be validated through voting but i respect your opinion
00:56:33.340 and uh i hope other people have uh interesting questions thank you thank you thank you have a nice day
00:56:39.740 evening thank you arena maxime it's very rare to hear a politician say uh that he opposes a policy
00:56:45.820 that would personally help him in his party so uh obviously that's a position that comes from conviction
00:56:51.740 um and not uh expediency that's why that's why i said candace i'm not there to please everybody
00:56:57.740 you know if you like what you are saying come with us if if you don't i respect you that's your choice
00:57:03.420 we want to offer another choice to canadians you know there's all these traditional established
00:57:10.460 political party and we are there with a platform and if you like that we're doing come with us if
00:57:16.540 not you know you have other choices absolutely all right uh we have a couple more hands up we also
00:57:22.620 have a written question that i'll go to this one comes from karen selic and it was sort of related to
00:57:26.620 a question that was already asked but uh more detail so karen asks max what is your position
00:57:32.700 on the possibility of mandatory vaccinations apparently canada has just ordered 37 million
00:57:38.540 syringes expecting to vaccinate everyone i believe that the harm caused by vaccinations uh whoops the
00:57:46.060 question just disappeared but the harm caused by vaccinations uh have been underreported and she's
00:57:50.380 happy to to discuss it more with you what so what are your thoughts on that but very uh simple i'm
00:57:56.460 against a mandatory vaccination in canada that's it i think it's very clear okay excellent all right
00:58:04.380 uh let's go to the people with their hands up i think this person they have their hand up so let's
00:58:08.940 go to them and they can ask a question uh my name is scott um i i've lived in canada a long time since 1992
00:58:18.940 but i only became a canadian citizen two years ago because my daughter used to complain at the uh at the
00:58:26.220 border that uh it would take too long to for dad to get across she had a canadian passport but i did not
00:58:32.940 so um i i have a couple of questions for maxine you you're obviously the brightest person in and around
00:58:40.380 ottawa because you understand the economics uh behind uh poverty in this country poverty is driven
00:58:48.060 by all of this pandering uh and printing money long term uh keynesian economics everyone likes to read
00:58:56.140 the forward part read the back part the back part of keynesian economics states that untradeable paper
00:59:03.100 currencies is the long-term goal of of continuing to print without backing it but for canadians they need
00:59:11.660 to see a roadmap so the rabbi needs to be sustained inflation over a long period of time and protecting
00:59:20.140 against economic colonization especially for places like like china they've got they've got cash and they
00:59:26.380 can just buy big chunks of canada um and to do that uh do you feel that on shoring a lot of canadian
00:59:34.220 manufacturing with tax credits because we know that the economic multiplier effect for manufacturing is
00:59:41.420 between five and eight depending on which sector you're in would be a pathway to economic uh stability
00:59:49.020 in canada but first if we want to have economic growth we need to have more investment more private
00:59:57.580 investment and that's why in our platform we said we you won't have you will have attached flat tax on
01:00:05.260 business you will have also no more capital gains tax and you will be able to depreciate your investment
01:00:15.340 in a year instead of five or six years so accelerated capital um uh um we said accelerated uh uh depreciation
01:00:26.700 for capital investment so all that it's for business for small business and uh big corporation to be able
01:00:35.660 to invest and create jobs in this country so if you want to bring back some uh corporations that are
01:00:44.780 in other countries you need to be able to attract them and the first thing you must do is to yes being
01:00:51.500 open to uh lower taxes and no more capital gains tax that would be the beginning but at the same time
01:00:58.300 also because your question can be linked with the security question in our country and what happened
01:01:05.180 with china recently we we need to look at our relationship with china for sure and being sure that the
01:01:13.580 the the important industry uh like health care and vaccine and things like that will be able to have
01:01:22.540 that in north america and not only depending on china and i think we learn a lot with that corona virus
01:01:28.700 crisis so the relationship with china must be looked on the base of our security security for uh the the
01:01:39.500 uh security for the goods and services that we need that are very important for us in canada
01:01:45.100 and so we must have a look at that but answering your question globally if you have a big tax reform
01:01:51.580 and based on being sure that you will have more private investment uh that that's the most important
01:02:01.580 that must be the the goal of the tax reform to bring more private investments so lower taxes no more
01:02:08.940 capital gains tax and um and that will help and actually we're not competitive right now with the
01:02:15.420 u.s a lot of investment are going in the u.s and in other countries because of our tax system because
01:02:21.740 of the changes that the trudeau government did a couple a couple of years ago yes um i know the
01:02:28.380 australian government brought in a capital gains tax for small business 150 000 instant write-off
01:02:34.860 so uh and they have committed to that for five years now and as far as global security the threshold
01:02:42.540 for chinese investment now is zero dollars yeah every chinese investment goes under uh review by the by
01:02:50.140 the minister investment canada act i was industry minister and there's a law legislation in this country
01:02:58.140 canada investment canada act and under that legislation when there's a huge investment coming from
01:03:04.700 uh another country there's a threshold and uh you must look at it and being sure that that investment
01:03:12.620 will bring will brings benefit for the country but concerning china you're right we may have a look
01:03:19.340 to that legislation to be sure that you know they won't be able to uh come and and buy i don't know
01:03:27.180 very important mining uh industry or other industry so we that's why we must have a new look
01:03:34.620 look at that canada investment act yeah i think it's absolutely crucial for the for the future of this
01:03:42.300 country to um look very honestly outside and inside and be able to make the distinction that uh the
01:03:50.700 cultural difference of uh one belt one road is not in the long-term interest of canadian uh middle class
01:03:58.460 it just is not like uh like why we also the 5g uh corporation and i was very pleased to know that
01:04:08.220 telus and other canadians telecommunication corporations decided not to use the 5g from why we
01:04:15.900 so uh but the federal government didn't take any decision uh i'm you know i'm very disappointed because
01:04:23.900 in uk in us the security agency uh told their government that uh they must not admit uh 5g uh 1.00
01:04:34.380 network in their from why we in their country and you know it's our private sector that took that
01:04:41.100 decision and that was a good one but the federal government doesn't want to act on that up to now
01:04:48.060 yes i know uh canada has the distinction of being the only member of five eyes that at a government
01:04:55.740 level did not make that decision yeah i hope they will yeah it is an absolute shame to trudeau's
01:05:04.220 government an absolute shame you're right that they that they have distinguished themselves by not
01:05:10.060 protecting the canadian people absolutely scott thank you so much for your questions those were great
01:05:15.340 um max we have a couple of other sort of fiscal and tax related questions uh that have been written
01:05:20.220 in so i'll go to those charles mccory is sort of wondering what you think the ideal tax rate is and
01:05:26.460 at what tax rate uh would canadian offer wealth begin to repatriate back into the country yeah i think we
01:05:33.980 need to have a big tax reform in this country the last time we had that it was in 1965 by the carter
01:05:41.900 commission and they look at our tax system so uh what i said during the last election our platform is to
01:05:49.020 have a tax system that will have only only uh only two rates so the first one people if you are earning
01:05:59.580 less than uh fifteen thousand dollars you must not pay any income tax at the federal level so that must
01:06:08.140 start at 15k and and uh you must have a tax rate of 10 and after that 20 for people earning more than
01:06:19.260 25k and uh and a maxim right now because of the federal level and the provincial level so you can
01:06:27.260 impose a tax bracket at the federal level but if a province is imposing more on your uh on your brackets
01:06:35.260 people will pay more so that's why it's uh it's we need to have a big reform and about our tax system
01:06:43.900 globally because and the goal like i said in the beginning the goal is to for people to keep more of
01:06:49.980 their money in their pocket but together if you have the federal tax rate and provincial tax rate in
01:06:56.460 ontario right now the maximum tax rate will be 53 so 53 for me it's too much you know more than half of
01:07:07.420 what you are uh having as an income it's going to the federal and the provincial government so we must
01:07:15.740 have a tax system that will give more of your own money in your pockets we can lower the income tax rate
01:07:22.220 we can also lower the gst we need to think about that but all our tax reform must be based on
01:07:31.180 being sure that people will be able to invest and having more of their own money in their pockets so
01:07:35.820 answering your question candace uh it is hard to look at it right now because you have the provincial
01:07:42.060 and the federal tax system but i can tell you that before the next election we'll look at a reform
01:07:48.620 in the tax system we had something at the last election and i said we will balance the budget in
01:07:52.940 two years but right now you cannot do that with that huge deficit of more than 250 billion dollars
01:08:00.780 i cannot say that we will balance the budget in two years but we need to have a reform on the tax
01:08:08.060 our tax system in canada yes all right one other question written in it uh this is from charles
01:08:14.300 mccord as well it says how impactful do you think it would be if the public sector wages and benefits
01:08:20.220 were normalized to private sector rates i know just during this crisis alone there's been such a huge
01:08:24.700 discrepancy between private sector workers who have seen layoffs and reduced time reduced salaries
01:08:30.940 and public sector which have basically had no no changes whatsoever so what do you think about that
01:08:35.100 idea of normalizing uh the two the two rates i agree with that and actually philip cross an economist
01:08:42.140 also said that that you know uh people working in the public sector they have a good salary but also
01:08:49.740 a very good pension so we must look at all that together and actually i agree that people working
01:08:58.380 in the public public sector have more advantages than people working the private sector yes we must look
01:09:06.620 at it for sure we have another written question maxime this comes from sam eskenazi sam says maxime
01:09:13.980 you spoke so eloquently and your points are fairly standard conservative and classical liberal ideas
01:09:19.180 yet you have been accused of being a racist or white supremacist or worse i know that the left often
01:09:24.380 uses this as a go-to insult on anyone who disagrees with the established orthodoxy they have decided upon
01:09:30.860 but perhaps you could speak a little about why you think that attack line was effective and some
01:09:36.620 canadians and what can be done about it yeah first of all i just want to let you know that i'm suing
01:09:43.500 actually mr kinsella i was supposed to be in from the court this june but because of the coven 19 it
01:09:51.500 will be this fall and i spoke with my lawyers and uh we have a very strong case so and i'm not a racist
01:09:59.820 and that's why you know kinsella with money coming from the conservative party of canada tried during
01:10:05.820 the last election to discredit me and the people's party so we are fighting uh against that right now
01:10:13.580 what will be the next election uh in the next i think they were they were uh they were successful
01:10:19.900 because when i had maybe four minutes in from the national media on tv uh i always had a question
01:10:28.940 about racism and i had to be on the defensive for maybe two minutes on when you have only four
01:10:35.660 minutes so i think that won't happen next time because i will win my case against kinsella and
01:10:42.620 actually people will look at the survey and the one that you just did that you know it's normal to
01:10:47.820 have a discussion on immigration in this country and that's what that's what the people want so i think
01:10:54.300 it would be very difficult next time to try to brand our party as a racist party and that being said
01:11:02.060 they did the same thing uh with preston manning when preston manning created the reform party the first
01:11:09.340 election people were saying you know the opposition uh were saying the liberals that preston was a racist
01:11:17.340 and that's a racist party they did that to preston manning that was uh that was a strategy that went
01:11:25.500 well for them for the first election but after that you know people knew the reform party knew preston
01:11:32.860 manning and these arguments were not serious so i believe that the next time i won't have to fight
01:11:40.380 that and i will have more time to explain our principles and philosophy yeah it's like the the
01:11:47.260 word used to have such a serious meaning being called a racist was was one of the worst things
01:11:51.740 you could be called but it's like the left uses it so often to criticize anyone who has a differing
01:11:56.700 opinion it's just to some people you know it's so common it's become like a meaningless term but then i
01:12:02.140 guess to other people it still has that original meaning well good for you for fighting back we have
01:12:07.340 another question from the floor this one is for zork the floor is yours i'm a big fan a supporter
01:12:15.900 despite being a registered libertarian i voted for you in the last election i support all of your
01:12:21.900 policies but i have a hard question for you yeah go ahead a week ago exactly a week ago i got an email
01:12:27.500 from you asking me to sign a petition uh to ban uh antifa in canada i am hungarian when i was young i
01:12:36.460 spent some time in a communist jail for the horrendous crime of sedition now you can't find many people
01:12:45.660 who would be more resolutely against communists and antifa and the and the whole movement yet i had some
01:12:53.180 question i had some problem with this request from you uh antifa people committing a whole lot of
01:13:00.380 very clear very clearly punishable crimes banning them is a political solution are you really sure
01:13:08.380 that banning a political answer to a law enforcement problem is the right answer well when i'm saying
01:13:16.700 banning i want to put them like you just said in the beginning antifa is a communist organization that
01:13:24.060 wants to destroy our society so i want to put them on and and they're terrorists you know what they're
01:13:30.380 doing what they've done and what they're doing you know it's a terrorist act so i want to put them on
01:13:36.380 our terrorist list in canada that would be the first step but that at the same time i want to give more
01:13:42.860 resources to uh police to be able to do their job and you know when there's a protest people must be able
01:13:50.380 to protest peacefully in this country and when you have these antifa people that are coming
01:13:58.620 you cannot protest anymore and if you are in a democratic country you must be able to protest
01:14:04.220 i will give you an example i had an event in southern ontario with dave rubin and on free speech and you
01:14:15.580 know we had antifa people that did everything to block us to enter the building and they were
01:14:23.980 very vocal and we needed to have the police so we don't need these kind of people you are in a
01:14:31.660 democratic country and you're i'm so very proud to to be canadian and we must be able to protest
01:14:38.220 peacefully but these people must be this this organization must be put on the list of our
01:14:45.180 terrorist organization that will be the beginning but at the same time i'm for protest yes if you
01:14:51.660 have something to say you must be able to protest peacefully okay thanks all right thank you thank
01:14:57.820 you for the questions so we have one more written in question and then we have one more uh call in and
01:15:02.620 that should that should end uh nicely so the next question comes from jonathan ing he says i attended a
01:15:08.540 webinar this week about political messaging the message is that the right can't succeed by presenting cold
01:15:15.020 technical figures in an environment where the left is so adept at presenting appeals of sympathetic
01:15:21.100 victims how can we approve messaging to move public opinion in favor of truly free market policies
01:15:29.660 i don't agree with that i don't agree that we we need to be out there with good arguments and that's
01:15:35.900 the most important so you know if you i don't want us to play the games of the left they have their
01:15:45.100 strategy and we must be out there with our ideas the best example we started the people's party a year
01:15:53.260 ago and the same year we had an election we were able to create a party to have 1.6 percent of the vote
01:16:01.740 and you know i was speaking about ideas during that election and people already because for me as a
01:16:08.380 politician i think that people are intelligent and i'm speaking to their intelligence and that's what i
01:16:15.580 want to do and that's what i'm doing so we were able to have 1.6 percent of the vote more than 300 000
01:16:23.660 people voted for the ppc and if you look at the history if you look at the green party it took them
01:16:31.660 20 years and five election to have more than 1.6 percent of the vote and we did that in less than a
01:16:39.180 year so i think that people must be out there and yes with rational arguments look at the
01:16:45.660 um uh other people that are on the web and are speaking uh and telling people what we believe
01:16:55.980 like dave ruben or a professor um in toronto um sorry jordan peterson yeah jordan thank you candace jordan
01:17:07.740 these people are speaking with rational arguments and you can win you can win with rational arguments
01:17:13.980 that's what i'm saying excellent mandy would like to know um that she first she says would love to 0.99
01:17:20.620 end the media bailout it is hurting our democracy maxine what is your opinion um on the idea of a media
01:17:26.700 bailout that will be the first thing we'll do as a government no more bailout you know we want the
01:17:34.700 the journalists and the media to be independent from the government not dependent from the government
01:17:41.260 and now trudeau what is doing is picking the media that he likes and giving money to them you know
01:17:48.060 if you're a good media you'll be able to raise money that's why we want to defund the cbc and all
01:17:54.300 the money that the trudeau government put aside and gave to the media will abolish that and it will be a
01:18:01.740 fair fair deal for every media in this country great well i think that's a positive uh note to end on
01:18:10.620 maxime so thank you so much i i mean speaking as a as a you know a journalist from an independent
01:18:16.140 outlet that uh you know we've we've found a model that works we have a very uh big base of people
01:18:22.700 who you know patrons and people who support us and people who believe in our mission and and yes we
01:18:28.220 found a model that works so it does exist you can do it in the free market good for you can this so
01:18:33.900 thank you so much uh for your time and and all your thoughtful uh answers it's been really uh
01:18:40.060 interesting and engaging and uh we really appreciate you spending the time with us here
01:18:44.540 max so so thank you so much for joining us i appreciate that thanks candace and bill also
01:18:50.620 so that was um that was very uh i think important for me to participate in that so thank you i appreciate
01:18:57.820 all that